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User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6433 posts, RR: 2
Posted (12 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 14562 times:

As Delta's 737-900ERs are delivered, I would like to know, what is Delta's schedule on replacing the 757s in the fleet?

Specifically, I would like to know which particular registrations/ship #s are planned to be replaced first. From what I heard, the first 757s planned for replacement are the older PMDL 752s, followed by the PMNW 75Ns shortly afterward. Can anyone confirm this?


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User currently onlinedlflynhayn From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 418 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (12 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 14127 times:

Even though i hate the current 757's that are on KOA/OGG/LIH routes i'll take the 757 all day before those 737-900ER's...I have a sister that works for UA and they absolutly avoid this plane if they can....But i dont think DL has plans for any 737's to Hawaii i hope haha,but something has to replace those old dirty Hawaii 757's!!!

User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (12 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 14082 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):

As Delta's 737-900ERs are delivered, I would like to know, what is Delta's schedule on replacing the 757s in the fleet?

Specifically, I would like to know which particular registrations/ship #s are planned to be replaced first. From what I heard, the first 757s planned for replacement are the older PMDL 752s, followed by the PMNW 75Ns shortly afterward. Can anyone confirm this?

The 739ERs aren't just replacing the oldest 757-200s in DL's fleet. They will be replacing 767-300 domestic a/c as well as the oldest A320s that came in with the NW merger.

Quoting dlflynhayn (Reply 1):
But i dont think DL has plans for any 737's to Hawaii i hope haha,but something has to replace those old dirty Hawaii 757's!!!

In time they probably will put the 739ER (or the MAX equivalent assuming DL orders them) on the West Coast-Hawaii flights, as the 739ER has the range for it.


User currently offlinedalmd88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2534 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (12 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13733 times:

It isn't a one for one replacement. Over the next five years we will be retiring a mix of 757, Dc-9 and I think some 763 domestic. A couple of the 757 are already gone. They were both in the ship number 630-650 range. Most of the retirements are in the 600-650 range and the 5500 series. Anything in that range will not see another HMV at DL. Some will have some life left in them for cargo and some will be close to their cycle limits.

User currently offlineSELMER40 From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 13671 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
...ship #s

According to various weekly reports from http://www.airwaysmag.com (a great Saturday read) Delta has retired since mid March this year EIGHT 757-200-- 501US 503US 602DL 604DL 636DL 637DL 639DL this week and 640DL..



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User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3735 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (12 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 13543 times:
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Quoting dlflynhayn (Reply 1):
i'll take the 757 all day before those 737-900ER's

Me too. Most people complain about flying long hauls on 757s but I personally don't mind at all. I remember flying on a Delta 757 from JFK to BRU two years ago. I've taken quite a few TATL trips on the 757 both with American and Delta. American no longer flies to BRU. Delta still does but it's not a 757 anymore, it's a 763ER. It appears to me that ex-TWA/AA 757s are now flying trans-con routes to LAX and SFO from JFK.

I flew on a Delta 757 from ATL to LGA four years ago with my then girlfriend. My girlfriend at the time wasn't happy about flying back to NYC through ATL from BRU but I was because I don't get to see Delta's ATL mega hub very often.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 2):
the oldest A320s that came in with the NW merger.

I flew on one from LGA to FLL two months ago. I'm glad I did because I knew it would be the last time in my life I would ever get to fly on an ex-Northwest A320. The return flight FLL-LGA was also an A320.

Ben Soriano



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19384 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (12 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 13483 times:

Quoting dlflynhayn (Reply 1):
Even though i hate the current 757's that are on KOA/OGG/LIH routes i'll take the 757 all day before those 737-900ER's...

Why? The upper lobe cross sections are identical. The cabin cross-section in the 737 is BETTER than the 757's because of the new Sky interior. Why would you object to a 737 but not a 757? A Boeing narrowbody is a Boeing narrowbody is a Boeing narrowbody.


User currently offlinesolarflyer22 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Nov 2009, 978 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (12 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 13450 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 5):
Me too. Most people complain about flying long hauls on 757s but I personally don't mind at all. I remember flying on a Delta 757 from JFK to BRU two years ago. I've taken quite a few TATL trips on the 757 both with American and Delta. American no longer flies to BRU. Delta still does but it's not a 757 anymore, it's a 763ER. It appears to me that ex-TWA/AA 757s are now flying trans-con routes to LAX and SFO from JFK.

The 757 is great for the second tier European destinations that aren't major hubs. My fear is that some airlines will just drop routes and reduce frequency once its gone. Those destinations are too far for the 739-ER but sometimes too small for a 767 so it leaves the airline in a bind.

Quoting SELMER40 (Reply 4):
EIGHT 757-200-- 501US 503US 602DL 604DL 636DL 637DL 639DL this week and 640DL..

That's sad to hear. Are these gone to the boneyard or off to cargo companies?


User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20375 posts, RR: 62
Reply 8, posted (12 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 13392 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 6):
Why would you object to a 737 but not a 757?

The floor of the 757 is lower, offering a more spacious feel. It also stands taller on the landing gear, offering another optical illusion while on the ground.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19384 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 13382 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 8):
The floor of the 757 is lower,

No it is not. This is one of those A.net urban legends. The two aircraft have identical interior cross-sections. You would not want to lower the floor of the 752 because you would not be able to fit the seats.

737 And 757 Cabins (by LY777 Nov 5 2006 in Civil Aviation)

[Edited 2013-07-27 09:18:52]

Actually, I stand corrected. The 757 *interior* is indeed wider than the 737 NG interior (not Sky).

...by 0.1 inch. I defy you to notice that difference.

The difference is that the 757 interior was designed before roll-aboard bags and the 73G interior after. For this reason, the overhead bins on the 73G are a full 2" lower than the bins on the 757, making the floor on the 737 appear higher and the cabin on the 737 appear more cramped. This is why the Sky interior was created; so that passengers could have their cake and eat it, too.


[Edited 2013-07-27 09:22:58]

User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20375 posts, RR: 62
Reply 10, posted (12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 13338 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 9):
No it is not. This is one of those A.net urban legends. The two aircraft have identical interior cross-sections.

Good catch, if it's accurate, but keep reading further to reply #16:

"The overhead baggage compartment on the 757 is placed at 66.5 inches above the floor, while the compartment on the 737 is placed at 62.2 inches above the floor. The difference of 4.3 inches on the overhead baggage compartment probably explains why the 757 feels more roomy than the 737. It has nothing to do with the floor or the width. "



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User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2240 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 13304 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 6):
A Boeing narrowbody is a Boeing narrowbody is a Boeing narrowbody.

   It's up to the invividual airline to make it uncomfortable.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 8):
The floor of the 757 is lower

   El Toro poo poo flag.    Where does non-sense like this come from?

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 8):
It also stands taller on the landing gear, offering another optical illusion while on the ground.


Are you saying that optical illusion makes the aircraft more comfortable inside?



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User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20375 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 13277 times:

Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 11):
Are you saying that optical illusion makes the aircraft more comfortable inside?

It makes it feel like a larger plane to some, yes. It may not to you, and you're entitled to that opinion.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19384 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 13251 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 10):
"The overhead baggage compartment on the 757 is placed at 66.5 inches above the floor, while the compartment on the 737 is placed at 62.2 inches above the floor. The difference of 4.3 inches on the overhead baggage compartment probably explains why the 757 feels more roomy than the 737. It has nothing to do with the floor or the width. "

Clarification, the bins on the ORIGINAL 752 interior are at 66.5". The bins on the 73G and the new 757 interior (which includes 100% of 753s) are at 62.2" above the floor. This was done to accomodate roll-aboard bags. The original 757 bins are horrible for roll-aboard bags.

The Boeing Sky Interior solves both problems by angling the bin. This moves it down the wall on the outside, but it angles up so steeply that it doesn't bother the passengers as much.


User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20375 posts, RR: 62
Reply 14, posted (12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 13208 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13):
The Boeing Sky Interior solves both problems by angling the bin.

And how many 737s are flying around with the BSI? The question was why would one prefer a 757 over a 737.

Not long ago I flew out on a trip on a 737 and returned on a 757. The complete package on the 757 of better seats, higher ceiling, standing taller off the ground, longer cabin, bigger wing, and more powerful engines all rolled together to make a more preferable passenger experience. Having flown both types since they were first introduced, I'll take a 757 over a 737 any day of the week plus Sunday, and am somewhat sad that its time in fleets is coming to a close.



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User currently offlinequestions From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 751 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (12 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 13062 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 6):
Why?

1) 2L. For F passengers, walk in and turn left. A better boarding experience for premium passengers. During flight the F cabin feels more exclusive because of the 2L lavatory, ie, few Y passengers walking forward into the F cabin, like zombies in the night feeling the walls around the galley looking for the forward lavatory. This is my third favorite premium cabin space behind the nose section and upper deck of the 747

2) 2L. The space around 2L allows a few Y passengers to stand and stretch and wait for the lavatory without standing in the aisle. Good for passengers; lost real estate for the airline

3) 2L. Seats 18D/E or 19D/E. Two seat row. Lots of leg room. You don't feel like you're in the middle of a crowded aircraft

4) The ride. Just the feel of the power of the ride, especially the climb.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 6):
A Boeing narrowbody is a Boeing narrowbody is a Boeing narrowbody.

I would love to see a redesigned 757 with a bit more cabin height and width. And yes, I understand we will not see a redesign.


User currently offlineSELMER40 From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (12 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 13058 times:

Quoting solarflyer22 (Reply 7):
...boneyard or

636DL 637DL 639DL 640DL and 526US retired three years ago to be parted out. The rest???



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User currently offlinequestions From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 751 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (12 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 13058 times:

BTW, isn't the 757 step down cockpit more spacious than on the 737?

User currently offlineCONTACREW From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (12 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 13042 times:

Quoting questions (Reply 15):
1) 2L. For F passengers, walk in and turn left. A better boarding experience for premium passengers.

Except for the airports where the jet bridge can only connect to the 1L door then it doesn't really make a difference there.



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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2898 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (12 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 12875 times:

Quoting SELMER40 (Reply 16):
636DL 637DL 639DL 640DL and 526US retired three years ago to be parted out. The rest???

639DL was just ferried to BYH for part out 3 days ago, not 3 years.



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User currently offlineKC135R From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 725 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (12 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 12547 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 14):
And how many 737s are flying around with the BSI? The question was why would one prefer a 757 over a 737.

I do not know the number of 737s that have the BSI at this point in time - according to Boeing's website, there were 500 737NGs delivered with the BSI in Nov 2012 and 85% of the backlog will be delivered with the BSI; so, by now, there's probably quite a few more.

source: http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commercial/737family/ngback/back5.page

But how many are out there total is less important than the fact that the Delta 737-900ERs will have the BSI and, as a DL frequent flier, I personally think it will be a step up. Don't get me wrong, I love flying the 757, but having flown an AS 737-900ER with the BSI earlier this year I have to say that IMO it's a big improvement. More overhead bin space, feels roomier overall, cabin feels less dingy thanks to the brighter lighting and it is more modern overall.

GEG to MSP is all 757 service in the summer and I am hoping future summers bring all 737-900ER service!


User currently offlineflyingclrs727 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (12 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 12452 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 5):
Me too. Most people complain about flying long hauls on 757s but I personally don't mind at all. I remember flying on a Delta 757 from JFK to BRU two years ago. I've taken quite a few TATL trips on the 757 both with American and Delta. American no longer flies to BRU. Delta still does but it's not a 757 anymore, it's a 763ER. It appears to me that ex-TWA/AA 757s are now flying trans-con routes to LAX and SFO from JFK.

I've flown transatlantic on a United 757, and it didn't mind it. I've also flown to South America on a Braniff DC-8 on an red eye flight similar in length to a transatlantic flight. The main problem with the 757 for transoceanic flights is a shortage of overhead storage bin space for all the carry on luggage allowed by US based airlines.


User currently offlineCONTACREW From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (12 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 12327 times:

Quoting KC135R (Reply 20):
I do not know the number of 737s that have the BSI at this point in time - according to Boeing's website, there were 500 737NGs delivered with the BSI in Nov 2012 and 85% of the backlog will be delivered with the BSI; so, by now, there's probably quite a few more.

For UA there are a total of 38 737s with BSI. (4 738, 34 739ER) All future 737s delivered will come standard with the BSI.



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User currently onlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20375 posts, RR: 62
Reply 23, posted (12 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 12136 times:

Quoting KC135R (Reply 20):
GEG to MSP is all 757 service in the summer and I am hoping future summers bring all 737-900ER service!

As a Delta FF, how do you feel about the reduced number of seats in First? Going from as many as 26 on some 752s down to a reported 20 on the 739.

Quoting CONTACREW (Reply 22):
For UA there are a total of 38 737s with BSI.

How many of those have the Koito seats?



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User currently offlineav8torg3 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 7 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (12 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 12011 times:

I love the 757 as much as the next guy. Honestly who gives a crap, as long as you get to where you are going.

25 KC135R : Sure, it might lessen the chance for an upgrade; then again, I've been upgraded many times on A32S aircraft that only have 12 F seats. Plus, while 20
26 SELMER40 : As stated in #4 639DL was retired this week and in #16 526US was retired 3 years ago.
27 asctty : I love flying on the 757. Not sure why, but perhaps boarding the plane from behind the front section just makes it feel bigger? Can someone explain wh
28 DocLightning : Maybe that's because you're a plane geek. When you're sitting in a window seat of a 3-seat bloc, any narrowbody, A or B, is claustrophobic. For most
29 Post contains images Transpac787 : I'm curious as to why you bothered spending the money on registering a username on this site if this is your attitude in discussing matters such as t
30 AeroWesty : How would you know one way or another, not having flown the same routes I've flown in the same aircraft I've flown in for as many years as I've flown
31 dalmd88 : The 757 flight deck is huge compared to a 737. There is room for two jumpseats behind the crew seats and neither block the door like it does in the 7
32 United1 : None as far as I know all have B/E seats.... Well kind of it does....they were weight restricted on the route when UA/CO flew them.
33 DocLightning : If you're a pilot, then your experience would be quite different. As a passenger, I've flown a lot on both models and I simply don't experience much
34 tommy767 : Me three. At least DL will have AVOD on their 739s. UA is getting brand new 739 with zero IFE at all. Not sure why they love to brag about the 739, t
35 AeroWesty : You're attempting to argue a point that you can't argue, which is what the passenger experience is for others. You can only assume that most of the t
36 KC135R : As for the 737 being an acceptable 757 replacement - well, there's really no choice despite anyone's preference. You can't replace 75s with 75s for o
37 AeroWesty : Just to clarify, I was using your quote as an example, not addressing what you'd said directly. Just wanted to make sure there wasn't any confusion o
38 N62NA : Why? This kind of statement always puzzles me. How is a 737 a "replacement" for a 763? They are vastly different aircraft in terms of # of pax carrie
39 tommy767 : Capacity control. Unfortunately the domestic 763s with AVOD will likely be dumped in favor of the very underwhelming 739. Truth be told, the DL domes
40 jetjack74 : In my mind, we've already had the domestic 763 replacement for awhile, the 753. It maybe a lower seating capacity, but it relatively flies and can ha
41 steeler83 : Will the 739-MAX have the range for PHL-CDG or even PIT-CDG, which DL operates both with a 757 IIRC?
42 N62NA : I think the question should be: Will the 739-MAX have the range for CDG-PHL or even CDG-PIT?
43 tristarcrazy : Weren't their a few non-ER 763s that were in storage, recently put back into service (ships 131-135)?? Also ship 638 was at ATL TOC yesterday painted
44 Post contains links and images Confuscius : Has Delta considered a dual-winged 757? This picture is from google maps' satellite view of Sea-Tac airport. Upon further review it is a Delta airplan
45 MakeMinesLAX : Question: Answer? In other words, over time talk about the lowered cockpit floor morphed into statements about the cabin floor being lowered.
46 Post contains links AeroWesty : It also comes from statements such as: "757 has a slightly different lower lobe section...only the crown is identical between the 737 and 757. the lo
47 Post contains images Deltal1011man : Gerry's plane. It was parked over on the ramp for a while and I knew its time was coming to an end. Didn't know it was so soon though, I was hoping i
48 MakeMinesLAX : Assuming that's correct, why is everyone so adamant that the fuselage cross-sections are identical across all the Boeing narrowbodies? On a related t
49 Post contains links AeroWesty : Width-wise they are. Height-wise may not be so. How people equate equal widths into equal heights when the fuselage is made up of two lobes which may
50 DocLightning : The height. Is. Identical. I don't know how else to say it. This is a matter of fact, not opinion. There is no debating facts. Boeing made them how t
51 AeroWesty : The source you gave in reply #9 of this thread claims differently. Just follow the magenta lines in reply #6 in that thread.
52 Post contains images steeler83 : For a second, I wasn't sure of what you were saying. I didn't think it mattered if it was PIT-CDG or CDG-PIT -- then it occurred to me... Duh... Head
53 Post contains images B757forever : I grabbed a quick cell phone picture last week prior to the painters removing all the Delta unique features...
54 Post contains images N62NA : Forgiven!
55 Deltal1011man : Thanks for that. I was really regretting not walking out on the pad and grabbing a pic last week.
56 Confuscius : Were you seated in the front or back wing portion of the aircraft?
57 akelley728 : ex-Northwest A320s will be in Delta's fleet for many years. The A320s came to Northwest in two tranches. The first tranche were delivered between 198
58 Post contains links Boeing717200 : Why not take the cabin/headroom issue from the horses mouth: 737 - Page 56 http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/commercial/airports/acaps/737sec2.pdf 757
59 lightsaber : I'm amused how contentious the retirement is... the 752s require quite a bit of maintenance. Much more than a 739ER and a bit more fuel too. Eventuall
60 DocLightning : No it does not. What we are talking about is the upper lobe, not the lower lobe. The distance from the crown to the cabin floor is the same in all Bo
61 Post contains images steeler83 : Um... I think we were toward the very back of that plane... And no, I do not believe I consumed any alcohol prior to that flight! ^^^ Although I prob
62 Boeing717200 : They are the same (56/57 in the pdf... or 66/67 by page number - 56 in the upper left vs. 66 on the page itself). One has business class seats, the o
63 AeroWesty : Oh, great find, thanks. When I look at the two documents, they don't seem to measure the same points in the cross-sections, and the 737 document seem
64 laca773 : Is this because for UA didn't do a good job configuring the 73Js for a longhaul service, i.e., Hawaii, transcons? Obviously the galleys on the 73G/73
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