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Delta 757 Replacement Schedule  
User currently offline1337Delta764 From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 6386 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 14205 times:

As Delta's 737-900ERs are delivered, I would like to know, what is Delta's schedule on replacing the 757s in the fleet?

Specifically, I would like to know which particular registrations/ship #s are planned to be replaced first. From what I heard, the first 757s planned for replacement are the older PMDL 752s, followed by the PMNW 75Ns shortly afterward. Can anyone confirm this?


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User currently offlinedlflynhayn From United States of America, joined Apr 2008, 394 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13770 times:

Even though i hate the current 757's that are on KOA/OGG/LIH routes i'll take the 757 all day before those 737-900ER's...I have a sister that works for UA and they absolutly avoid this plane if they can....But i dont think DL has plans for any 737's to Hawaii i hope haha,but something has to replace those old dirty Hawaii 757's!!!

User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 13724 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):

As Delta's 737-900ERs are delivered, I would like to know, what is Delta's schedule on replacing the 757s in the fleet?

Specifically, I would like to know which particular registrations/ship #s are planned to be replaced first. From what I heard, the first 757s planned for replacement are the older PMDL 752s, followed by the PMNW 75Ns shortly afterward. Can anyone confirm this?

The 739ERs aren't just replacing the oldest 757-200s in DL's fleet. They will be replacing 767-300 domestic a/c as well as the oldest A320s that came in with the NW merger.

Quoting dlflynhayn (Reply 1):
But i dont think DL has plans for any 737's to Hawaii i hope haha,but something has to replace those old dirty Hawaii 757's!!!

In time they probably will put the 739ER (or the MAX equivalent assuming DL orders them) on the West Coast-Hawaii flights, as the 739ER has the range for it.


User currently offlinedalmd88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2506 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 13376 times:

It isn't a one for one replacement. Over the next five years we will be retiring a mix of 757, Dc-9 and I think some 763 domestic. A couple of the 757 are already gone. They were both in the ship number 630-650 range. Most of the retirements are in the 600-650 range and the 5500 series. Anything in that range will not see another HMV at DL. Some will have some life left in them for cargo and some will be close to their cycle limits.

User currently offlineSELMER40 From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13313 times:

Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
...ship #s

According to various weekly reports from http://www.airwaysmag.com (a great Saturday read) Delta has retired since mid March this year EIGHT 757-200-- 501US 503US 602DL 604DL 636DL 637DL 639DL this week and 640DL..



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User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3651 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13186 times:

Quoting dlflynhayn (Reply 1):
i'll take the 757 all day before those 737-900ER's

Me too. Most people complain about flying long hauls on 757s but I personally don't mind at all. I remember flying on a Delta 757 from JFK to BRU two years ago. I've taken quite a few TATL trips on the 757 both with American and Delta. American no longer flies to BRU. Delta still does but it's not a 757 anymore, it's a 763ER. It appears to me that ex-TWA/AA 757s are now flying trans-con routes to LAX and SFO from JFK.

I flew on a Delta 757 from ATL to LGA four years ago with my then girlfriend. My girlfriend at the time wasn't happy about flying back to NYC through ATL from BRU but I was because I don't get to see Delta's ATL mega hub very often.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 2):
the oldest A320s that came in with the NW merger.

I flew on one from LGA to FLL two months ago. I'm glad I did because I knew it would be the last time in my life I would ever get to fly on an ex-Northwest A320. The return flight FLL-LGA was also an A320.

Ben Soriano



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18704 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13126 times:

Quoting dlflynhayn (Reply 1):
Even though i hate the current 757's that are on KOA/OGG/LIH routes i'll take the 757 all day before those 737-900ER's...

Why? The upper lobe cross sections are identical. The cabin cross-section in the 737 is BETTER than the 757's because of the new Sky interior. Why would you object to a 737 but not a 757? A Boeing narrowbody is a Boeing narrowbody is a Boeing narrowbody.


User currently offlinesolarflyer22 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Nov 2009, 819 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13093 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 5):
Me too. Most people complain about flying long hauls on 757s but I personally don't mind at all. I remember flying on a Delta 757 from JFK to BRU two years ago. I've taken quite a few TATL trips on the 757 both with American and Delta. American no longer flies to BRU. Delta still does but it's not a 757 anymore, it's a 763ER. It appears to me that ex-TWA/AA 757s are now flying trans-con routes to LAX and SFO from JFK.

The 757 is great for the second tier European destinations that aren't major hubs. My fear is that some airlines will just drop routes and reduce frequency once its gone. Those destinations are too far for the 739-ER but sometimes too small for a 767 so it leaves the airline in a bind.

Quoting SELMER40 (Reply 4):
EIGHT 757-200-- 501US 503US 602DL 604DL 636DL 637DL 639DL this week and 640DL..

That's sad to hear. Are these gone to the boneyard or off to cargo companies?


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 8, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13035 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 6):
Why would you object to a 737 but not a 757?

The floor of the 757 is lower, offering a more spacious feel. It also stands taller on the landing gear, offering another optical illusion while on the ground.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18704 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 13025 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 8):
The floor of the 757 is lower,

No it is not. This is one of those A.net urban legends. The two aircraft have identical interior cross-sections. You would not want to lower the floor of the 752 because you would not be able to fit the seats.

737 And 757 Cabins (by LY777 Nov 5 2006 in Civil Aviation)

[Edited 2013-07-27 09:18:52]

Actually, I stand corrected. The 757 *interior* is indeed wider than the 737 NG interior (not Sky).

...by 0.1 inch. I defy you to notice that difference.

The difference is that the 757 interior was designed before roll-aboard bags and the 73G interior after. For this reason, the overhead bins on the 73G are a full 2" lower than the bins on the 757, making the floor on the 737 appear higher and the cabin on the 737 appear more cramped. This is why the Sky interior was created; so that passengers could have their cake and eat it, too.


[Edited 2013-07-27 09:22:58]

User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 10, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 12981 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 9):
No it is not. This is one of those A.net urban legends. The two aircraft have identical interior cross-sections.

Good catch, if it's accurate, but keep reading further to reply #16:

"The overhead baggage compartment on the 757 is placed at 66.5 inches above the floor, while the compartment on the 737 is placed at 62.2 inches above the floor. The difference of 4.3 inches on the overhead baggage compartment probably explains why the 757 feels more roomy than the 737. It has nothing to do with the floor or the width. "



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User currently offlineSPREE34 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 2196 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 12947 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 6):
A Boeing narrowbody is a Boeing narrowbody is a Boeing narrowbody.

   It's up to the invividual airline to make it uncomfortable.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 8):
The floor of the 757 is lower

   El Toro poo poo flag.    Where does non-sense like this come from?

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 8):
It also stands taller on the landing gear, offering another optical illusion while on the ground.


Are you saying that optical illusion makes the aircraft more comfortable inside?



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 12, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 12920 times:

Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 11):
Are you saying that optical illusion makes the aircraft more comfortable inside?

It makes it feel like a larger plane to some, yes. It may not to you, and you're entitled to that opinion.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18704 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 12894 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 10):
"The overhead baggage compartment on the 757 is placed at 66.5 inches above the floor, while the compartment on the 737 is placed at 62.2 inches above the floor. The difference of 4.3 inches on the overhead baggage compartment probably explains why the 757 feels more roomy than the 737. It has nothing to do with the floor or the width. "

Clarification, the bins on the ORIGINAL 752 interior are at 66.5". The bins on the 73G and the new 757 interior (which includes 100% of 753s) are at 62.2" above the floor. This was done to accomodate roll-aboard bags. The original 757 bins are horrible for roll-aboard bags.

The Boeing Sky Interior solves both problems by angling the bin. This moves it down the wall on the outside, but it angles up so steeply that it doesn't bother the passengers as much.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 14, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 12851 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 13):
The Boeing Sky Interior solves both problems by angling the bin.

And how many 737s are flying around with the BSI? The question was why would one prefer a 757 over a 737.

Not long ago I flew out on a trip on a 737 and returned on a 757. The complete package on the 757 of better seats, higher ceiling, standing taller off the ground, longer cabin, bigger wing, and more powerful engines all rolled together to make a more preferable passenger experience. Having flown both types since they were first introduced, I'll take a 757 over a 737 any day of the week plus Sunday, and am somewhat sad that its time in fleets is coming to a close.



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User currently offlinequestions From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 672 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 12705 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 6):
Why?

1) 2L. For F passengers, walk in and turn left. A better boarding experience for premium passengers. During flight the F cabin feels more exclusive because of the 2L lavatory, ie, few Y passengers walking forward into the F cabin, like zombies in the night feeling the walls around the galley looking for the forward lavatory. This is my third favorite premium cabin space behind the nose section and upper deck of the 747

2) 2L. The space around 2L allows a few Y passengers to stand and stretch and wait for the lavatory without standing in the aisle. Good for passengers; lost real estate for the airline

3) 2L. Seats 18D/E or 19D/E. Two seat row. Lots of leg room. You don't feel like you're in the middle of a crowded aircraft

4) The ride. Just the feel of the power of the ride, especially the climb.

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 6):
A Boeing narrowbody is a Boeing narrowbody is a Boeing narrowbody.

I would love to see a redesigned 757 with a bit more cabin height and width. And yes, I understand we will not see a redesign.


User currently offlineSELMER40 From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 12701 times:

Quoting solarflyer22 (Reply 7):
...boneyard or

636DL 637DL 639DL 640DL and 526US retired three years ago to be parted out. The rest???



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User currently offlinequestions From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 672 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 12701 times:

BTW, isn't the 757 step down cockpit more spacious than on the 737?

User currently offlineCONTACREW From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 12685 times:

Quoting questions (Reply 15):
1) 2L. For F passengers, walk in and turn left. A better boarding experience for premium passengers.

Except for the airports where the jet bridge can only connect to the 1L door then it doesn't really make a difference there.



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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 12518 times:

Quoting SELMER40 (Reply 16):
636DL 637DL 639DL 640DL and 526US retired three years ago to be parted out. The rest???

639DL was just ferried to BYH for part out 3 days ago, not 3 years.



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User currently offlineKC135R From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 725 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 12190 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 14):
And how many 737s are flying around with the BSI? The question was why would one prefer a 757 over a 737.

I do not know the number of 737s that have the BSI at this point in time - according to Boeing's website, there were 500 737NGs delivered with the BSI in Nov 2012 and 85% of the backlog will be delivered with the BSI; so, by now, there's probably quite a few more.

source: http://www.boeing.com/boeing/commercial/737family/ngback/back5.page

But how many are out there total is less important than the fact that the Delta 737-900ERs will have the BSI and, as a DL frequent flier, I personally think it will be a step up. Don't get me wrong, I love flying the 757, but having flown an AS 737-900ER with the BSI earlier this year I have to say that IMO it's a big improvement. More overhead bin space, feels roomier overall, cabin feels less dingy thanks to the brighter lighting and it is more modern overall.

GEG to MSP is all 757 service in the summer and I am hoping future summers bring all 737-900ER service!


User currently offlineflyingclrs727 From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 733 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 12095 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 5):
Me too. Most people complain about flying long hauls on 757s but I personally don't mind at all. I remember flying on a Delta 757 from JFK to BRU two years ago. I've taken quite a few TATL trips on the 757 both with American and Delta. American no longer flies to BRU. Delta still does but it's not a 757 anymore, it's a 763ER. It appears to me that ex-TWA/AA 757s are now flying trans-con routes to LAX and SFO from JFK.

I've flown transatlantic on a United 757, and it didn't mind it. I've also flown to South America on a Braniff DC-8 on an red eye flight similar in length to a transatlantic flight. The main problem with the 757 for transoceanic flights is a shortage of overhead storage bin space for all the carry on luggage allowed by US based airlines.


User currently offlineCONTACREW From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 424 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 11970 times:

Quoting KC135R (Reply 20):
I do not know the number of 737s that have the BSI at this point in time - according to Boeing's website, there were 500 737NGs delivered with the BSI in Nov 2012 and 85% of the backlog will be delivered with the BSI; so, by now, there's probably quite a few more.

For UA there are a total of 38 737s with BSI. (4 738, 34 739ER) All future 737s delivered will come standard with the BSI.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 23, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 11779 times:

Quoting KC135R (Reply 20):
GEG to MSP is all 757 service in the summer and I am hoping future summers bring all 737-900ER service!

As a Delta FF, how do you feel about the reduced number of seats in First? Going from as many as 26 on some 752s down to a reported 20 on the 739.

Quoting CONTACREW (Reply 22):
For UA there are a total of 38 737s with BSI.

How many of those have the Koito seats?



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User currently offlineav8torg3 From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 11654 times:

I love the 757 as much as the next guy. Honestly who gives a crap, as long as you get to where you are going.

User currently offlineKC135R From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 725 posts, RR: 4
Reply 25, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 11905 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 23):
As a Delta FF, how do you feel about the reduced number of seats in First? Going from as many as 26 on some 752s down to a reported 20 on the 739.

Sure, it might lessen the chance for an upgrade; then again, I've been upgraded many times on A32S aircraft that only have 12 F seats. Plus, while 20 is less that the 757 fleet, it's more than the rest of the narrowbody fleet. So, with the exception of the 757 (which will inevitably be gone from the fleet one day), upgrades on the 900ER will be more likely than any other DL narrowbody, purely from a seats available perspective.

That isn't to say I won't miss the 757 once it is completely retired - there is so much to love about it, not the least of which are those powerful takeoffs!


User currently offlineSELMER40 From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 11707 times:

Quoting Spacepope (Reply 19):
..not 3 years.

As stated in #4 639DL was retired this week and in #16 526US was retired 3 years ago.



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User currently offlineasctty From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2008, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 11988 times:

I love flying on the 757. Not sure why, but perhaps boarding the plane from behind the front section just makes it feel bigger?
Can someone explain why it was discontinued, yet so many are still in operation, particularly on holiday flights here in the EU?


User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18704 posts, RR: 58
Reply 28, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 11758 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 14):
The complete package on the 757 of better seats, higher ceiling, standing taller off the ground, longer cabin, bigger wing, and more powerful engines all rolled together to make a more preferable passenger experience.

Maybe that's because you're a plane geek. When you're sitting in a window seat of a 3-seat bloc, any narrowbody, A or B, is claustrophobic.

For most of the flight, the size of the wing, the power of the engine, and especially the height of the gear off the ground make no difference to the passenger. And the only time you can really appreciate the length of the cabin is when you're in the rear, which not only sucks, but makes it look like you're at the end of a very long, very narrow tube.

I submit that you are exhibiting a preference for an aircraft, not any difference in tangible passenger experience.


User currently offlineTranspac787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 3163 posts, RR: 13
Reply 29, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 11755 times:

Quoting av8torg3 (Reply 24):
I love the 757 as much as the next guy. Honestly who gives a crap, as long as you get to where you are going.

I'm curious as to why you bothered spending the money on registering a username on this site if this is your attitude in discussing matters such as these.  



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 30, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 11678 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 28):
I submit that you are exhibiting a preference for an aircraft, not any difference in tangible passenger experience.

How would you know one way or another, not having flown the same routes I've flown in the same aircraft I've flown in for as many years as I've flown them?

I submit that you're simply pulling at straws because you have nothing better to say.



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User currently offlinedalmd88 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 2506 posts, RR: 14
Reply 31, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 11755 times:

Quoting questions (Reply 17):
BTW, isn't the 757 step down cockpit more spacious than on the 737?

The 757 flight deck is huge compared to a 737. There is room for two jumpseats behind the crew seats and neither block the door like it does in the 737.


User currently offlineUnited1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 5817 posts, RR: 9
Reply 32, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11030 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 23):
How many of those have the Koito seats?

None as far as I know all have B/E seats....

Quoting srbmod (Reply 2):
In time they probably will put the 739ER (or the MAX equivalent assuming DL orders them) on the West Coast-Hawaii flights, as the 739ER has the range for it.

Well kind of it does....they were weight restricted on the route when UA/CO flew them.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18704 posts, RR: 58
Reply 33, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 11011 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 30):
How would you know one way or another, not having flown the same routes I've flown in the same aircraft I've flown in for as many years as I've flown them?

If you're a pilot, then your experience would be quite different. As a passenger, I've flown a lot on both models and I simply don't experience much of a difference. The takeoffs even feel the same most of the time because the 757's takeoffs are usually heavily derated unless the aircraft is very heavy (in which case it sounds cool if you're forward of the fans, but still feels sluggish).

But my real distaste for the 757 is its length. Especially the 753. I've only been aboard the 753 twice in my life, but one of those I was at the very back of a very full A/C. It took over 30 minutes from when I saw people start moving up front to when I got to walk off the plane.

I almost missed a connection because I was seated at the very back of a 752 once. Admittedly the 739 is about the same length and so it will have the same problem, but I submit that it is not inferior.


User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 34, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10893 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 5):
Me too.

Me three. At least DL will have AVOD on their 739s. UA is getting brand new 739 with zero IFE at all. Not sure why they love to brag about the 739, there isn't anything special about it.

IIRC I think I was on N501US and it was such a difference in cabin appearance even compared to a sUA 757. The ex-NW 757 machines were built in 1985-1986 and have the old bins and original seats (or at least seemed to be that way.)



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 35, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10806 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 33):
Admittedly the 739 is about the same length and so it will have the same problem, but I submit that it is not inferior.

You're attempting to argue a point that you can't argue, which is what the passenger experience is for others. You can only assume that most of the take-offs I or others have experienced have been derated, but you don't know for sure. Not all of them have been for myself and others, or surely we wouldn't see comments above such as this:

Quoting KC135R (Reply 25):
That isn't to say I won't miss the 757 once it is completely retired - there is so much to love about it, not the least of which are those powerful takeoffs!

I'm happy for you that you feel that the 737 is an acceptable plane for you for the next several decades, but that doesn't negate the experiences and preferences of others, no matter how much you want it to.



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User currently offlineKC135R From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 725 posts, RR: 4
Reply 36, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10718 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 35):
I'm happy for you that you feel that the 737 is an acceptable plane for you for the next several decades, but that doesn't negate the experiences and preferences of others, no matter how much you want it to.

As for the 737 being an acceptable 757 replacement - well, there's really no choice despite anyone's preference. You can't replace 75s with 75s for obvious reasons, so it is what it is.

On another note, I am not trying in the least to negate the preferences of anyone, yours included...I was merely adding my voice, in the form of my opinion, to the conversation. I assume that's what we're having here, right?


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 37, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 10602 times:

Quoting KC135R (Reply 36):
As for the 737 being an acceptable 757 replacement - well, there's really no choice despite anyone's preference. You can't replace 75s with 75s for obvious reasons, so it is what it is.

Just to clarify, I was using your quote as an example, not addressing what you'd said directly. Just wanted to make sure there wasn't any confusion on that, as looking at it again and seeing your reply, it could have come across that way.



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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4256 posts, RR: 6
Reply 38, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9746 times:

Quoting dlflynhayn (Reply 1):
.I have a sister that works for UA and they absolutly avoid this plane if they can.

Why?

Quoting srbmod (Reply 2):
The 739ERs aren't just replacing the oldest 757-200s in DL's fleet. They will be replacing 767-300 domestic a/c as well as the oldest A320s that came in with the NW merger.

This kind of statement always puzzles me. How is a 737 a "replacement" for a 763? They are vastly different aircraft in terms of # of pax carried, range, cargo capabilities. If by "replacement" one means that DL is adjusting their fleet to offer less capacity and they've chosen the 739 to "replace" the 763 in order to do it, that I can see.

Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 11):
Are you saying that optical illusion makes the aircraft more comfortable inside?

Since "comfort" is in the eye of the beholder, and a total fabrication of the brain, then an optical illusion would make total sense as a factor in determining comfort.


User currently offlinetommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 39, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 9667 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 38):
This kind of statement always puzzles me. How is a 737 a "replacement" for a 763? They are vastly different aircraft in terms of # of pax carried, range, cargo capabilities. If by "replacement" one means that DL is adjusting their fleet to offer less capacity and they've chosen the 739 to "replace" the 763 in order to do it, that I can see.

Capacity control. Unfortunately the domestic 763s with AVOD will likely be dumped in favor of the very underwhelming 739.

Truth be told, the DL domestic 763 are rather old -- quite a few are from 1987-1988. I've had some great flights with them particularly on LAX-ATL a few years back.



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User currently offlinejetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7387 posts, RR: 51
Reply 40, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 9062 times:
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Quoting N62NA (Reply 38):
This kind of statement always puzzles me. How is a 737 a "replacement" for a 763? They are vastly different aircraft in terms of # of pax carried, range, cargo capabilities. If by "replacement" one means that DL is adjusting their fleet to offer less capacity and they've chosen the 739 to "replace" the 763 in order to do it, that I can see.

In my mind, we've already had the domestic 763 replacement for awhile, the 753. It maybe a lower seating capacity, but it relatively flies and can handle the same mission as the 763.

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 14):
Having flown both types since they were first introduced, I'll take a 757 over a 737 any day of the week plus Sunday, and am somewhat sad that its time in fleets is coming to a close.

Well, while the 757 is no longer in production and some are being slowly being replaced, it will still be around for many years to come. The aircraft is still very economical and unlike most of the previous jetliners, such as the 707, the 757 isn't yet threatened by nationwide noise restrictions.



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User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9112 posts, RR: 18
Reply 41, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8248 times:

Will the 739-MAX have the range for PHL-CDG or even PIT-CDG, which DL operates both with a 757 IIRC?


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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4256 posts, RR: 6
Reply 42, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 8109 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 41):
Will the 739-MAX have the range for PHL-CDG or even PIT-CDG,

I think the question should be:

Will the 739-MAX have the range for CDG-PHL or even CDG-PIT?


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Reply 43, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7237 times:

Weren't their a few non-ER 763s that were in storage, recently put back into service (ships 131-135)??

Also ship 638 was at ATL TOC yesterday painted up for retirement. I was surprised since it had winglets!



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User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3825 posts, RR: 1
Reply 44, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 7134 times:

Has Delta considered a dual-winged 757? This picture is from google maps' satellite view of Sea-Tac airport. Upon further review it is a Delta airplane!

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/acetaminophen500mg/757x2b1.jpg

[Edited 2013-07-27 20:50:42]


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User currently offlineMakeMinesLAX From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 559 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6766 times:

Question:

Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 11):
Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 8):The floor of the 757 is lower
El Toro poo poo flag. Where does non-sense like this come from?

Answer?

Quoting questions (Reply 17):
BTW, isn't the 757 step down cockpit more spacious than on the 737?

In other words, over time talk about the lowered cockpit floor morphed into statements about the cabin floor being lowered.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 46, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 6727 times:

Quoting MakeMinesLAX (Reply 45):
In other words, over time talk about the lowered cockpit floor morphed into statements about the cabin floor being lowered.

It also comes from statements such as:

"757 has a slightly different lower lobe section...only the crown is identical between the 737 and 757. the lower lobe permits the floor to be lowered by 2" in the 757."

Source, reply #127: Delta To Order 100 X 739ER (Part 1) (by NYC777 Aug 22 2011 in Civil Aviation)



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User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9081 posts, RR: 12
Reply 47, posted (8 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 6288 times:

Quoting tristarcrazy (Reply 43):

Gerry's plane.  

It was parked over on the ramp for a while and I knew its time was coming to an end. Didn't know it was so soon though, I was hoping it was a gear change or an engine change or a check. Guess not.

*if it wasn't Gerry's plane I would hate it, as it was the first to be painted in the god awful burning widget, NW ass kissing, livery.



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User currently offlineMakeMinesLAX From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 559 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (8 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5658 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 46):
It also comes from statements such as:

"757 has a slightly different lower lobe section...only the crown is identical between the 737 and 757. the lower lobe permits the floor to be lowered by 2" in the 757."

Source, reply #127: Delta To Order 100 X 739ER (Part 1) (by NYC777 Aug 22 2011 in Civil Aviation)

Assuming that's correct, why is everyone so adamant that the fuselage cross-sections are identical across all the Boeing narrowbodies?

On a related topic, the step-down cockpit floor appears to be necessary to accommodate the 757's lower nose profile, but I was curious if there were another justification.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 49, posted (8 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5520 times:

Quoting MakeMinesLAX (Reply 48):
Assuming that's correct, why is everyone so adamant that the fuselage cross-sections are identical across all the Boeing narrowbodies?

Width-wise they are. Height-wise may not be so. How people equate equal widths into equal heights when the fuselage is made up of two lobes which may not be identical ... I've no answer for. It does seem rather silly to exclude that possibility though, when so many people say that the 757 seems more spacious to them.

If you follow the magenta lines in reply #6 of this thread:

737 And 757 Cabins (by LY777 Nov 5 2006 in Civil Aviation)

... you'll see how the lower lobe is different on the 757.



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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18704 posts, RR: 58
Reply 50, posted (8 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5424 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 49):
Width-wise they are. Height-wise may not be so.

The height. Is. Identical.

I don't know how else to say it. This is a matter of fact, not opinion. There is no debating facts. Boeing made them how they made them.

The bins are at different heights in the 752 classic interior vs the 73G interior, but that is not floor height.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 51, posted (8 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5334 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 50):
The height. Is. Identical.

The source you gave in reply #9 of this thread claims differently. Just follow the magenta lines in reply #6 in that thread.



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User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9112 posts, RR: 18
Reply 52, posted (8 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5351 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 42):
I think the question should be:

Will the 739-MAX have the range for CDG-PHL or even CDG-PIT?

For a second, I wasn't sure of what you were saying. I didn't think it mattered if it was PIT-CDG or CDG-PIT -- then it occurred to me...

Duh... Head wind vs. tail wind or something of that nature, right? Forgive me; I keep forgetting about that.

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 44):

If that image was dated April 2011, that could've been my flight to MSP!  



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User currently offlineB757forever From United States of America, joined May 2010, 381 posts, RR: 3
Reply 53, posted (8 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4895 times:

Quoting tristarcrazy (Reply 43):
Also ship 638 was at ATL TOC yesterday painted up for retirement. I was surprised since it had winglets!

DL ship 638, dedicated to Jerry Grinstein.



I grabbed a quick cell phone picture last week prior to the painters removing all the Delta unique features...


User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4256 posts, RR: 6
Reply 54, posted (8 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 4637 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 52):
Head wind vs. tail wind or something of that nature, right? Forgive me; I keep forgetting about that.

Forgiven!  


User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9081 posts, RR: 12
Reply 55, posted (8 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4540 times:

Quoting B757forever (Reply 53):

Thanks for that. I was really regretting not walking out on the pad and grabbing a pic last week.



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User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3825 posts, RR: 1
Reply 56, posted (8 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4520 times:

Quoting steeler83 (Reply 52):
If that image was dated April 2011, that could've been my flight to MSP!

Were you seated in the front or back wing portion of the aircraft?



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User currently offlineakelley728 From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2162 posts, RR: 5
Reply 57, posted (8 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4112 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 5):
I flew on one from LGA to FLL two months ago. I'm glad I did because I knew it would be the last time in my life I would ever get to fly on an ex-Northwest A320. The return flight FLL-LGA was also an A320.

ex-Northwest A320s will be in Delta's fleet for many years. The A320s came to Northwest in two tranches. The first tranche were delivered between 1989-1993. These are the ones that are targeted to be replaced by the 739s. The second was delivered between 1998-2003. I believe those are going to stay around for at least another ten years.


User currently offlineBoeing717200 From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 58, posted (8 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3916 times:

Why not take the cabin/headroom issue from the horses mouth:

737 - Page 56

http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/commercial/airports/acaps/737sec2.pdf

757 - Page 15

http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/commercial/airports/acaps/753sec2.pdf

Why sit here and debate an issue when the information is readily available on their website?

[Edited 2013-07-29 11:39:52]

User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12421 posts, RR: 100
Reply 59, posted (8 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 3868 times:
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I'm amused how contentious the retirement is... the 752s require quite a bit of maintenance. Much more than a 739ER and a bit more fuel too. Eventually it is more economical to fly a 738/739ER/A320/A321 than the 757.

The only thing I really notice about the 757 is that it is a hotrod. ONCE in my flying experience the pilot used the climbing abilities to get around record headwinds. Nothing like LAX-DFW with over a dozen very noticeable altitude changes (no service that whole flight and the fasten seat belt sign never went off). But how often does one fly in bad turbulence with record headwinds? A 739ER would have saved a pretty penny in fuel.

Quoting solarflyer22 (Reply 7):
The 757 is great for the second tier European destinations that aren't major hubs. My fear is that some airlines will just drop routes and reduce frequency once its gone. Those destinations are too far for the 739-ER but sometimes too small for a 767 so it leaves the airline in a bind.

Then they should be flown with the 738MAX or possibly the A320NEO/A321NEO. There will be alternatives.

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User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 18704 posts, RR: 58
Reply 60, posted (8 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3716 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 51):
The source you gave in reply #9 of this thread claims differently. Just follow the magenta lines in reply #6 in that thread.

No it does not. What we are talking about is the upper lobe, not the lower lobe.

The distance from the crown to the cabin floor is the same in all Boeing narrowbodies.

Quoting Boeing717200 (Reply 58):
737 - Page 56

67 is the comparable interior. Basically, the 737 has 1cm less headroom (1.68 vs. 1.69m) to the bottoms of the bins. The floor is at the same height.


User currently offlinesteeler83 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9112 posts, RR: 18
Reply 61, posted (8 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3676 times:

Quoting Confuscius (Reply 56):
Were you seated in the front or back wing portion of the aircraft?

Um... I think we were toward the very back of that plane...

And no, I do not believe I consumed any alcohol prior to that flight!  

^^^ Although I probably wished I could have. We were supposed to be on a 757-300 to MSP, but we missed that flight because of the TSA. They kept holding us up -- a good 20 minutes -- for a damn bag check. We missed the flight by only 2 minutes...



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User currently offlineBoeing717200 From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 634 posts, RR: 0
Reply 62, posted (8 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3648 times:

Quoting DocLightning (Reply 60):
67 is the comparable interior. Basically, the 737 has 1cm less headroom (1.68 vs. 1.69m) to the bottoms of the bins. The floor is at the same height.


They are the same (56/57 in the pdf... or 66/67 by page number - 56 in the upper left vs. 66 on the page itself). One has business class seats, the other coach.

[Edited 2013-07-29 13:18:59]

User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20322 posts, RR: 63
Reply 63, posted (8 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3561 times:

Quoting Boeing717200 (Reply 62):
They are the same

Oh, great find, thanks. When I look at the two documents, they don't seem to measure the same points in the cross-sections, and the 737 document seems to show the lower lobe, while the 757 document doesn't at first glance. But, I won't have time to look at it in depth until tonight to see if that really matters or not. Who knows, should be an interesting read.



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Reply 64, posted (8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3298 times:
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Quoting dlflynhayn (Reply 1):
Even though i hate the current 757's that are on KOA/OGG/LIH routes i'll take the 757 all day before those 737-900ER's...I have a sister that works for UA and they absolutly avoid this plane if they can....But i dont think DL has plans for any 737's to Hawaii i hope haha,but something has to replace those old dirty Hawaii 757's!!!

Is this because for UA didn't do a good job configuring the 73Js for a longhaul service, i.e., Hawaii, transcons? Obviously the galleys on the 73G/73H/73Js are not going to be as spacious or as large as those found on the 757s.


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