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LAX To DXB On A 737 Nonstop?  
User currently offlinekevin From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1142 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 17964 times:

http://www.flightradar24.com/UAE216D

Just came across this flight. Looks like its going over Greenland at this time. Does 737-400 have this kind of range? I suppose it does not. Then where do they plan to make a refueling stop? Logically it would be KEF but they r far away from there.

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User currently offlineB747400ERF From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2013, 427 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 17934 times:

Flightradar is unreliable with displayed flight plans and not displaying the actual routing and fuel stops. I assume this airplane was sold by Alaska to a middle eastern carrier. It will probably stop in Keflavik then maybe Malta. I bet it stopped in Bangor, Maine as well.


edit: there must be some mistake with registrations. Flightaware shows this

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N705AS

and

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAE216

is a regular scheduled flight by a 777-300ER

[Edited 2013-07-28 03:28:56]

User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 2987 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 17794 times:
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Its actually A6-ECI a B77W - HEX codes are wrongly reported.

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User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 958 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 17556 times:
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I've done LAX-DXB in a G-V, (13 hrs)

If a G-V can do it, I'm sure a BBJ 737 can do it,


User currently offlinen92r03 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 339 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 14474 times:

Something is wrong with Flightradar24's info, for whatever reason it is showing N705AS for may different planes.

User currently offlineORDJOE From United States of America, joined Aug 2010, 702 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 14262 times:

I suppose a BBJ with a bunch of auxiliary fuel tanks could do it

User currently offlineGunsontheroof From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 3503 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days ago) and read 13588 times:

Quoting n92r03 (Reply 4):
Something is wrong with Flightradar24's info, for whatever reason it is showing N705AS for may different planes.

Yeah, I noticed that too. It's also showing up on multiple GA aircraft that initially display different regs. Hopefully these issues out sometime soon, it's a pretty cool website and it'd be nice if they could maintain high accuracy on a more consistent basis.



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User currently offlinecorey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2527 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days ago) and read 13513 times:

Quoting g500 (Reply 3):

Are you sure? Max range of a 550 is sub 7000nm and LAX-DXB is around 7250nm.


User currently offlineMesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3072 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days ago) and read 13210 times:
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Quoting corey07850 (Reply 7):

I believe he is a G-V pilot, so I'd think he'd know it if he did it.



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User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 958 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 12290 times:
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Quoting corey07850 (Reply 7):
Are you sure? Max range of a 550 is sub 7000nm and LAX-DXB is around 7250nm.

yes I'm sure, we pulled the power back, we did that at M.77 instead of the usual M.85....long-range Bizjet operators rarely do this, CEOs don't like to fly slow. They'd rather go fast and stop for petro

If i'm not mistaken Delta ferried an A330 from Singapore to Atlanta non-stop... you'll be surprised how much more you can get out of it when you pull it back

[Edited 2013-07-28 14:11:09]

User currently offlinegingersnap From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2010, 893 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11841 times:

Quoting g500 (Reply 9):
you'll be surprised how much more you can get out of it when you pull it back

Indeed



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User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4221 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10910 times:

So it was really a 773 then I guess. Makes more sense.


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User currently offlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 731 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10414 times:

Quoting g500 (Reply 9):
If i'm not mistaken Delta ferried an A330 from Singapore to Atlanta non-stop... you'll be surprised how much more you can get out of it when you pull it back

you mean, just like when we get 20-30% better mileage IF we drive at 55-65 mph on the right lane ... instead of 75+ on the fast lane? but we don't   thinking others would pass us by!  

The same economics should work if the planes were full, right? A whole new question in that case: what if all the airlines decide to go at a slightly lower speed for better efficiency - and give it back to the passengers (in terms of lower fares) ... would that not find any takers?


User currently offlinembk1999 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10200 times:

Quoting ASA (Reply 12):

The problem with that is your reduced fleet utilization would more than offset any fuel savings.
And on flights where you have a long down time, like QF in LAX, if your stage lengths increase too much,
you lose your competitive advantage over one stops and connections.


User currently offlineflyabunch From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 517 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 10200 times:

Quoting ASA (Reply 12):
you mean, just like when we get 20-30% better mileage IF we drive at 55-65 mph on the right lane ... instead of 75+ on the fast lane? but we don't thinking others would pass us by!

The same economics should work if the planes were full, right? A whole new question in that case: what if all the airlines decide to go at a slightly lower speed for better efficiency - and give it back to the passengers (in terms of lower fares) ... would that not find any takers?

I don't think that will work. If the airlines flew slower, they would get fewer flights/segments per day. The cost advantage of using less fuel would disappear pretty quickly.

Mike


User currently onlineQatarA340 From Qatar, joined May 2006, 1821 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 9585 times:

Quoting g500 (Reply 3):
I've done LAX-DXB in a G-V, (13 hrs)

Whats a G-V?



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User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2104 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8990 times:

Considering I saw the 734 in question, 705AS, a few days ago, I'd say this is an error...It was wearing the full statehood scheme complete with the dog on the nose.

User currently offlinekevin From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 1142 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8808 times:

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 15):
Whats a G-V?

It's a Gulfstream - V biz jet


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20563 posts, RR: 62
Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8805 times:

Quoting g500 (Reply 9):
you'll be surprised how much more you can get out of it when you pull it back

Hmm, that's interesting. Back in the 70s when the US highway speed limit was rolled back to 55mph, Nixon had Air Force One fly at a slower speed. I remember the news reporting the irony of because it took longer to fly coast-to-coast, the plane actually used more fuel. I guess they were wrong.

Quoting QatarA340 (Reply 15):
Whats a G-V?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulfstream_V



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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21516 posts, RR: 60
Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8499 times:

Quoting mbk1999 (Reply 13):
The problem with that is your reduced fleet utilization would more than offset any fuel savings.
And on flights where you have a long down time, like QF in LAX, if your stage lengths increase too much,
you lose your competitive advantage over one stops and connections.

That's true, but I don't think it matters much on SYD-LAX if they arrive at 5:55AM or 6:55AM unless it creates a situation where more crew is needed.



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6617 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8433 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 18):
I remember the news reporting the irony of because it took longer to fly coast-to-coast, the plane actually used more fuel. I guess they were wrong.

You're talking about old school first generation turbofan engines. And design of the wing of the 707 also favoring high speed.



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User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20563 posts, RR: 62
Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8277 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 20):
You're talking about old school first generation turbofan engines. And design of the wing of the 707 also favoring high speed.

Oh! Well, that makes a difference then. Thanks for clearing that up, I appreciate it. When did wing and engine design start to favor the slower speeds, if that's the correct way to ask that question.



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User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21516 posts, RR: 60
Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8025 times:

Quoting Aesma (Reply 20):
You're talking about old school first generation turbofan engines. And design of the wing of the 707 also favoring high speed.

sad but true. transcons in the USA were much shorter in the 60s than now, due to lack of traffic, the faster speeds of the 707 and DC8, the low fuel prices, and the race to be the best as a form of competition, because prices were fixed.



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User currently offlineely747 From Slovakia, joined Jan 2013, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7925 times:

I remember one of very first NE 737-700NG delivery flight did SEA - BTS non stop.

User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25205 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 7753 times:

Quoting AeroWesty (Reply 21):
When did wing and engine design start to favor the slower speeds, if that's the correct way to ask that question.

Probably started with aircraft designed from the early 1970s onwards due to the huge increase in fuel prices during that period following the OPEC embargo around 1973 when fuel prices roughly tripled overnight.

The 1960s-designed 747 is probably the last major airliner with a wing where high speed was a major design criteria.


25 blueflyer : I'm curious. Approximately at which point does stopping for gas and flying at full speed beats reduced cruise?
26 mbk1999 : It could mess up connections....
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