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First A330 For Aerolíneas Argentinas Painted  
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10638 posts, RR: 30
Posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 17108 times:

The first A330 for Aerolíneas Argentinas has been spotted in its full livery. The aircraft is an ex-Malaysia Airlines A330-200 (MSN 290) and is due for a delivery next month. The Argentine carrier plans to acquire twelve A330s over the next four years, allowing it to replace its four A340-200s and seven A340-300s. Most of the twelve aircraft will be second-hand models (four from Atlasjet Airlines, four from Malaysia Airlines).



[Edited 2013-07-28 04:09:09]


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User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3807 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 16956 times:

Wow, that's a hot looking ride. I love it!

Soren   



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User currently offlineby738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2253 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 16957 times:

looks very smart in the new livery. . .

User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6862 posts, RR: 63
Reply 3, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 16931 times:

And all with PW engines?

User currently offlinebmibaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1796 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 16894 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Thread starter):
Most of the twelve aircraft will be second-hand models (four from Atlasjet Airlines, four from Malaysia Airlines).

I think Atlasjet only ever had three A330s?


User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1137 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 16875 times:

Looks very good.

Quoting KarelXWB (Thread starter):
allowing it to replace its four A340-200s and seven A340-300s

They must be keeping some A340s.... An A330 isn't going to reach SYD or MAD from EZE.



Someone repaint ZK-PBG!
User currently offlinesciurusmdg From Argentina, joined Apr 2012, 60 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 16865 times:

Very good looking plane. One of the nicest liveries in the world in my view!

User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4848 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 16734 times:

Slightly off topic.

New A340-300 for AR - SkyTeam Livery

http://imageshack.us/a/img839/1563/l78q.jpg
http://www.airplane-pictures.net/pho...lineas-argentinas-airbus-a340-300/
http://imageshack.us/a/img826/3853/4u0q.jpg
http://www.airplane-pictures.net/pho...lineas-argentinas-airbus-a340-300/

EK8413



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User currently offlineAirCanadaA330 From Canada, joined Aug 2008, 292 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 16591 times:
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that is one good looking aircraft!!

Quoting sciurusmdg (Reply 6):
One of the nicest liveries in the world in my view!

indeed!!

Any idea what routes she will fly are?



Cheers;
User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3109 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 16193 times:

Quoting sciurusmdg (Reply 6):
Very good looking plane. One of the nicest liveries in the world in my view!

Agreed, someone did a fantastic job of creating a livery that, when seen, inspires dreams of a sleek flight in ones mind.



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User currently offlinesrqkef From Iceland, joined Jun 2011, 874 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 14710 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 7):

Is it just me or are the Skyteam titles smaller than usual on this aircraft?

Anyway, both the ST logojet and the regular liveries look great! 

Rgds
Sveinn  



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User currently offlineIndependence76 From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 13735 times:

Looking and sitting pretty. Hope to see some better shots soon.

FutureBrand (the design firm that did the new AA livery and logo) also did AR. Hard to believe, considering the large differences in style and quality.



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User currently offlinerobffm2 From Germany, joined Dec 2006, 1114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 13647 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 5):
They must be keeping some A340s.... An A330 isn't going to reach SYD or MAD from EZE.

MAD-EZE is only 160 nm more than FRA-GRU. Do you really think this is a problem?


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10638 posts, RR: 30
Reply 13, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 13534 times:

Quoting bmibaby737 (Reply 4):
I think Atlasjet only ever had three A330s?

Oops, you're right.

Quoting PM (Reply 3):
And all with PW engines?

At least the KK and MH A330s have PW engines, not sure about the other frames on order.

[Edited 2013-07-28 12:27:38]


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User currently offlinevirginblue4 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 902 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 13321 times:

Quoting Independence76 (Reply 11):

Well they seem to be a very good design agency! Both this AR livery as well as the new AA livery are two of my favourite liveries around! Maybe Finnair, Japan Airlines and a few others should use them!

Edit: It appears they also created the new Air Malta livery! They really are a great design firm!

[Edited 2013-07-28 12:37:31]


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10638 posts, RR: 30
Reply 15, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 13290 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 5):
They must be keeping some A340s.... An A330 isn't going to reach SYD or MAD from EZE.
Quoting robffm2 (Reply 12):
MAD-EZE is only 160 nm more than FRA-GRU. Do you really think this is a problem?

Without headwind etc MAD-EZE is almost 5500nm, what is the range of those old A330s?



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4848 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 12371 times:

Quoting srqkef (Reply 10):
Is it just me or are the Skyteam titles smaller than usual on this aircraft?

Your right on the mark, the titles appear to be smaller.

http://pic.feeyo.com/pic/20111106/201111060108084071.jpg

http://pic.feeyo.com/pic/20111106/201111060109017782.jpg

EK8413



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User currently offlinebmibaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1796 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 11503 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 7):
New A340-300 for AR - SkyTeam Livery

A posting on another site says they're two different aircraft, LV-FPJ and LV-CEK ?


User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3127 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 11160 times:

Quoting Independence76 (Reply 11):
Hard to believe, considering the large differences in style and quality.

I believe that any decent house will demonstrate their versatility and flexibility in identity, livery and logo design... and I believe that FutureBrand is an excellent example of this as I, unlike some others on here, think that the new American livery is totally on-the-money.

AA's new scheme screams American - loud, proud, red-white-and-blue. AR's new scheme imbues the airline with a sense of maturity, confidence and sophistication while still maintaining an Argentine air and a connection with previous livery iterations.

I think the A332 looks great with the new livery and will look forward to seeing the A359 and A35J adorned similarly in years to come...   



come visit the south pacific
User currently offlineAF185 From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2012, 256 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (11 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 9090 times:

Beautiful livery on a beautiful aircraft..

User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3146 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (11 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 9058 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 15):
Without headwind etc MAD-EZE is almost 5500nm, what is the range of those old A330s?

You can rule out all European routes. The A340's will be doing them as the A330's take their role on intra-american route BOG/CCS/MIA and soon to be JFK (to be opened 12/15/13 with A332). The A330's will not be able to cross the atlantic given the lack of ETOPS rating for AR.

Quoting PM (Reply 3):
And all with PW engines?

Yup. All with PW. I do think the Trents or even the ever lasting GE CF-6 would've been a better choice - however, the PW powered A330's seem to be good enough for DL. I guess it's just how you make them work  

Saludos,



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User currently offlineMegatop747-412 From New Zealand, joined Sep 2000, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 8935 times:

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 20):
Yup. All with PW. I do think the Trents or even the ever lasting GE CF-6 would've been a better choice - however, the PW powered A330's seem to be good enough for DL. I guess it's just how you make them work

This seem to hold true! I've also read somewhere on here that the same happens with China Southern Airlines as well - their fleet of A332s are powered by a mix of RR Trents and PW engines, but it seemed they use the PW powered birds for their longest A332 missions, e.g. CAN-AKL. Their Trent powered birds are used for shorter runs, I.e. CAN-Australia, etc...


User currently onlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7560 posts, RR: 43
Reply 22, posted (11 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 8863 times:

Any chance AR will try to return to MEX nonstop now that it will have A330s?


Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19365 posts, RR: 58
Reply 23, posted (11 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 8247 times:

Quoting Megatop747-412 (Reply 21):
This seem to hold true! I've also read somewhere on here that the same happens with China Southern Airlines as well - their fleet of A332s are powered by a mix of RR Trents and PW engines, but it seemed they use the PW powered birds for their longest A332 missions, e.g. CAN-AKL. Their Trent powered birds are used for shorter runs, I.e. CAN-Australia, etc...

The 3-spool architecture of the Trent is especially efficient in takeoff and climb.


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2901 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7363 times:

I do wonder if AR will continue to fly to SYD in future.

If it does indeed retire all its A340s, it really leaves nothing for them to serve this route.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4848 posts, RR: 4
Reply 25, posted (11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7358 times:

Quoting bmibaby737 (Reply 17):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 7):
New A340-300 for AR - SkyTeam Livery

A posting on another site says they're two different aircraft, LV-FPJ and LV-CEK ?

I've searched and can't verify if this is correct.

EK8413



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User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (11 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7228 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 15):
Without headwind etc MAD-EZE is almost 5500nm, what is the range of those old A330s?

Air Europa use the 330-200 on MAD-EZE so this should not be a problem for the type itself, but as another poster mentioned the lack of ETOPS approval for AR being an issue anyway.


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5293 posts, RR: 11
Reply 27, posted (11 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 6473 times:

Thats a nice looking scheme!!

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 24):

If it does indeed retire all its A340s, it really leaves nothing for them to serve this route.

Plenty of younger "fuel hungry" A345s out there that AR could consider.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 25):
A posting on another site says they're two different aircraft, LV-FPJ and LV-CEK ?

I've searched and can't verify if this is correct.

Unless LV-FPJ has been very recently delivered to AR it doesn't exist.


User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3146 posts, RR: 58
Reply 28, posted (11 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5663 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 27):
Unless LV-FPJ has been very recently delivered to AR it doesn't exist.

Yes. It is the one in France being painted. msn 193 has just been ferried for the paintjob to be started. The correct reg for that airframe (the one in Skyteam colors) should be LV-FPV.

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 27):

Plenty of younger "fuel hungry" A345s out there that AR could consider.

While the A340-500's are being seriously considered - the A340-600 are being evaluated too. The A340-600 has the benefit of having a lower CASM than the A340-500 as it has more seats to counter the costs than the latter. The A340-500 would only make sense on a premium, ULR mission - which, AR does not have the need to operate. There's also to consider that some A340-600 (I don't know if all) have a very expensive maintenance programme, so I've heard. Can anyone confirm?

Gracias!

Saludos,



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User currently offlineBraybuddy From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 5626 posts, RR: 32
Reply 29, posted (11 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 5650 times:

WOW! That's one smart-looking plane . . .                  

User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5293 posts, RR: 11
Reply 30, posted (11 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4968 times:

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 28):

Yes. It is the one in France being painted. msn 193 has just been ferried for the paintjob to be started. The correct reg for that airframe (the one in Skyteam colors) should be LV-FPV.

Interesting thanks!

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 28):

While the A340-500's are being seriously considered - the A340-600 are being evaluated too.

AR have been rumoured several times to get A346s QR's fleet of 4 was the last I remember being considered. The A346 makes more sense. They could use them to MAD and SYD. I wonder how long the other A340s will stay? A small sub fleet isn't the most ideal but this is AR.


User currently offlineGonzalo From Chile, joined Aug 2005, 1985 posts, RR: 2
Reply 31, posted (11 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4656 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 27):
Plenty of younger "fuel hungry" A345s out there that AR could consider.

The fuel consumption is not a decision making factor for the AR management. AR is flying with the generous contribution of 2 million dollars every day ( from the tax payers and the retirement funds ), and a gas guzzler aircraft only could take a few millions more ever year.... Who cares ?? Not Mr. Recalde for sure.

Rgds.
G.



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User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3146 posts, RR: 58
Reply 32, posted (11 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4536 times:

Quoting Gonzalo (Reply 31):
The fuel consumption is not a decision making factor for the AR management. AR is flying with the generous contribution of 2 million dollars every day ( from the tax payers and the retirement funds ), and a gas guzzler aircraft only could take a few millions more ever year.... Who cares ?? Not Mr. Recalde for sure.

Really? Please. Go bash somewhere else.You've already started a thread for that purpose.

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 30):
AR have been rumoured several times to get A346s QR's fleet of 4 was the last I remember being considered. The A346 makes more sense. They could use them to MAD and SYD. I wonder how long the other A340s will stay? A small sub fleet isn't the most ideal but this is AR.

MAD, for sure. It is the only route that would justify a 300+ seat airplane. SYD would be another thing entirely. It would be an additional extracapacity - but, no operational restrictions in Winter, giving the fleet much more flexibility. I don't know what is the fuel consumption difference between the A340-200/300 and the A340-500/600 - but I do guess it beats the problems generated by greater headwinds in Winter.

AR was actually looking into the A340-600 - it was not a rumour, however the Rolls Royce Programme was said to be the determining factor into declining the offer given that the Programme was very expensive and AR has the capabilities of doing most of the work themselves (except for major OH). I don't know if the RR Programme can be discontinued if it is the operators wish.

Saludos,



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User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1224 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (11 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4447 times:

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 32):

MAD, for sure. It is the only route that would justify a 300+ seat airplane. SYD would be another thing entirely. It would be an additional extracapacity - but, no operational restrictions in Winter, giving the fleet much more flexibility. I don't know what is the fuel consumption difference between the A340-200/300 and the A340-500/600 - but I do guess it beats the problems generated by greater headwinds in Winter.

AR was actually looking into the A340-600 - it was not a rumour, however the Rolls Royce Programme was said to be the determining factor into declining the offer given that the Programme was very expensive and AR has the capabilities of doing most of the work themselves (except for major OH). I don't know if the RR Programme can be discontinued if it is the operators wish.

I'm sure Zeke can give a good comparison on the fuel consumption of the -300 against the -600. I wonder if he will wander into this thread.

With a few -600's coming on to the second hand market there should be some becoming available at attractive lease rates. It seems like it could be a good aircraft for AR.

I'm sure there must be a way around the engine program issues, i'm sure others such as LH and IB have similar inhouse capabilities.


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9708 posts, RR: 11
Reply 34, posted (11 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4432 times:

I can also see the A340-600 or A340-500 as a good aircraft for AR, the A340-500 moreso than the A340-600 but let's wait and see what they will go for. In any case, these four-holers are the only option for them seeing that they have no ETOPS certifications (yet). The A340 will give them another 10-15 years to obtain the ETOPS certification 

A388


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