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Which Airline For Popes Trip To Kazakhstan  
User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 377 posts, RR: 1
Posted (12 years 12 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1771 times:

Does anyone know which airline and a/c carried the pope to Kazakhstan Confused


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User currently offlineClimbout From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 12 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1718 times:

Doesn't he usually fly on his nations carrier, Alitalia?

By the way, I heard that he ask the US and the allies to hold off on attacking Afganistan (sp?) or whoever, until he returns from that region. It appears the US has agreed to honor his request.


User currently offlineJarek From Poland, joined May 2001, 347 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (12 years 12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1689 times:

I saw on the News Pope arriving in Astana on Alitalia 767.
Interesting if he is going to fly out from Kazakhstan on Air Kazakstan?

Jarek


User currently offlineLufthansa404 From Germany, joined Aug 2001, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (12 years 12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 1676 times:

I dount he will fly Air Kazakstan. If the Vatican has safety concerns, he will usually fly back with Ailitalia.
This allready has taken place, when he was visiting Cuba back some years - he didnt fly Cubana.

Thanks,

Jan


User currently offlineJarek From Poland, joined May 2001, 347 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (12 years 12 months 4 days ago) and read 1671 times:

The trick is the visit has two parts. After Kazakhstan Pope is going to Armenia on Tuesday.
Will he still fly Alitalia from Astana to Yerevan?

Jarek


User currently offlinePHX-LJU From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (12 years 12 months 4 days ago) and read 1650 times:

Pope John Paul II usually flies on Alitalia, but not always: When he visited Slovenia a few years ago, he departed on an Adria Airways plane.

I'm wondering why the Vatican does not have its own plane -- a Papal version of Air Force One, if you will. After all, the Pope travels quite a bit!


User currently offlineLan_Fanatic From Chile, joined Sep 2001, 1071 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (12 years 12 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1605 times:

He really doesn't need an airplane for his own
Alitalia is excellent, and extremely safe...and I love watching Alitalia aircarafts in every visit he makes to every country.
And the greatest thing...he flew to Mexico in the same ALitalia's MD-11 that I flew in!!! the magnificent I-DUPE...called "Giuseppe Verdi"

Lan_Fanatic
Chile


User currently offlineSonic99 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 12 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1601 times:


PHX,

I believe that that Alitalia provides one of its aircraft for exclusive use of the Vatican. The Pope usually travels on this aircraft and sometimes returns to Rome on a special receiving government courtesy flight.

S


User currently offlineAirplanenut From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 655 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (12 years 12 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1597 times:

Don't forget that Alitalia has espresso machines on all of their planes (a special request to Boeing for them to be in the galleys). So if the Pope wants some espresso, he will deifinitely fly Alitalia  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

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User currently offlineChepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6220 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (12 years 12 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1593 times:

Lan Fantic bienvenido
When the pope visited Puerto Rico he flew on a 747-200.
Chepos



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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16259 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (12 years 12 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 1589 times:

How can Alitalia afford to pull an aircraft from service just to fly the Catholic Pope around?

Does the Vatican pay market rates for the rental of the aircraft?




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineLan_Fanatic From Chile, joined Sep 2001, 1071 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (12 years 12 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1584 times:

Yyz717: As very few people know, or imagine, the Vatican is extremely wealthy. They own a bank that operates in Italy that is called "Banco Ambrosiano Veneto", where they keep all their fortune, so it is not Alitalia who affords the Pope's trips, but Vatican does.

Lan_Fanatic
Chile


User currently offlineAirbus380 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 12 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1574 times:

Definatley Alitalia, I have seen him on 763s, A310s, and MD-11s.

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16259 posts, RR: 56
Reply 13, posted (12 years 12 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 1577 times:

Wow, I'm surprised! Why doesn't the Vatican divide its wealth amongst the world's roman catholic poor? I didn't know they had their own bank. Perhaps a Vatican CJ or BBJ would be better than leasing?  Smile

I'm still surprised that Alitalia can afford to pull an aircraft from service for 3-7 days for each one of these catholic papal jaunts! Maybe they figure the free publicity is worth the scheduling hassle? I believe Mexicana named a 757 after the catholic pope when he flew on it a few years ago.

I'd hate to be booked on a long distance Alitalia flight only to have it cancelled with no backup aircraft, while knowing that an MD-11 or 767 was off on some papal visit in kazakstan or wherever. That would piss me off.





Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineJarek From Poland, joined May 2001, 347 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (12 years 12 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1546 times:

I just saw on the TV news Pope arriving in Yerevan on Air Kazakstan A310.

Jarek


User currently offlineJohnnybgoode From Germany, joined Jan 2001, 2187 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (12 years 12 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1524 times:

i tend to agree with Jarek. on tv, i saw the Pope disembark an airplane which had Air ... titles on it. i could only see the "Air" part, and it was blue, so it seems that it´s been Air Kazakstan...

rgds
daniel



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User currently offlineGlider From Belgium, joined Feb 2001, 297 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (12 years 12 months 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 1513 times:

On the Pope's stop before Kazakhstan (I don't remember which country it was...); I saw on the news that he used there an Alitalia B763.
But I don't know the furter 'aircraft-evolution'...
I'll look at the news this evening
Glider


User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (12 years 12 months 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 1509 times:

Years ago, the pope used to fly almost exclusively on TWA (even intra-Europe)... ah, those were the days.


You should also be aware that the Alitalia plane isn't just any Alitalia plane. Each plane is customized specifically for the pope and his entourage. One must remember that the pope isn't just the "Catholic pope" (YYZ717), but also head of state of an independent country (Vatican City). And yes, right or wrong, the Vatican can afford anything it wants.



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User currently offlineJAL From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 5085 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (12 years 12 months 1 day ago) and read 1490 times:

Doesn't he always fly Alitalia?

Why doesn't the Vatican buy an aircraft for the Pope?



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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16259 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (12 years 12 months 23 hours ago) and read 1485 times:

Ya, good question....why doesn't the Vatican buy its own aircraft? They can't be worried about image....it's very plain the catholic pope travels in luxury when visiting his teaming masses.

Actually if he only travels a couple of times/year, might not justify a dedicated aircraft. Still, is there an 'expectation' that Alitalia provide an MD-11 when he travels? I'd like to see the financial analysis supporting the pulling of an MD-11 from service for a pope trip.

Wouldn't he feel at home flying Virgin?? hehehe. Sorry, couldn't resist. No harm meant.








Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineDatamanA340 From South Korea, joined Dec 2000, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (12 years 12 months 17 hours ago) and read 1464 times:

But Italy is not his country  Smile Alitalia will be the most convinient for him.

Before ask why the pope doesn't have his own plane, you should ask why the pope doesn't have his own airport  Smile Maybe none of Rome citizen would criticize of that if he pays for that estate.


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