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MAN News 50.. SV Restarting Ops  
User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7396 posts, RR: 14
Posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 43220 times:
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You read right. SV have stated that in this article

"We have new destinations like Toronto and Los Angeles and we will operate to Manchester in Britain next year."

otherwise not a lot happening with steady rise in passenger numbers, and the airport's formal respose to the Davis Commission includes plan for a "proper" taxiway for 23R/05L, going from 99 stands to 145 stands and more than doubling passengers to 55 million passengers per year.

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User currently offlinelisbonbearuk From Portugal, joined Jan 2010, 439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 42876 times:

There's been no EZY expansion recently...have they got nowhere else to go from MAN?

User currently offlineLuftyMatt From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 428 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 42827 times:

Good news about SV. I wonder if it'll be with the A330? Possibly an aircraft better suited to the MAN route.


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User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7396 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 42813 times:
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I believe U2 are at the expected level of based aircraft they envisaged 3 years ago. Still plenty of scope for expansion which may well be allied to T3 being expanded.

User currently offlineoly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6820 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 42792 times:

Quoting david_itl (Thread starter):
23R/05

23L/5R

Sections 5.26 to 5.29 on p54 in this document cover the new taxiway, apron (rip AVP) and terminal expansion plans.

http://www.magworld.co.uk/magweb.nsf...ile/Long+Term+Capacity+Options.pdf



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User currently offlineMattuk From UK - England, joined Sep 2010, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 42391 times:

http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/Articl...g-haul+to+mirror+condor+model.html

Interesting article about TCX planning to use MAN as a hub from summer 2014.


User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7396 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 42364 times:
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MAN has also set a very ambitious target of 25 million passengers in 3 years

They state they'll be disappointed if there's no China link announced in the next 9 to 12 months.


User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4808 posts, RR: 44
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 41964 times:

SV would be better off operating JED-MAN-YYZ 3 weekly rather than JED-YYZ nonstop 3 weekly which would be very difficult for them to fill up even in peak season !

User currently offlinesk736 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 41429 times:
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Quoting oly720man (Reply 4):
Sections 5.26 to 5.29 on p54 in this document cover the new taxiway, apron (rip AVP) and terminal expansion plans.

It will be s shame if the AVP goes, but MAN will rightly use the land for whatever will make it the most money.


User currently offlineBoeing74741R From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2007, 1171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 41173 times:

Quoting sk736 (Reply 8):
It will be s shame if the AVP goes, but MAN will rightly use the land for whatever will make it the most money.

Agreed. At the end of the day, MAN has been very accommodating towards enthusiasts with the presence of the AVP and grasping the tourism potential of it, but if it feels it can make more money from using it as terminal/apron space then that's the way it should go.

Noting that the priority for expansion is Terminal 3, then 1 and then 2, as well as a parallel taxiway to 05R/23L, I suspect that any redevelopment of the land the AVP is on is quite a long way off when other expansion opportunities currently exist and can deliver easier and quicker benefits.


User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7396 posts, RR: 14
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 40977 times:
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EK expected to upgrade EK19/20 to an A380 from 21st Sept to 30th Sept.

User currently offlinecipango From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 642 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 40944 times:

Quoting david_itl (Reply 10):
EK expected to upgrade EK19/20 to an A380 from 21st Sept to 30th Sept.

Any idea why? I thought Hajj wasn't until October?


User currently offlineLuftyMatt From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 428 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 40780 times:

Quoting cipango (Reply 11):
Any idea why?

The flight is frequently overbooked, so it makes sense.



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User currently offlineacelanzarote From Spain, joined Nov 2005, 848 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 40714 times:

Since Concorde is at the AVP, is this area really going to disappear..thought they had made a big visitor attraction there...? I can remember years ago with the AVP was on the South side instead...the second runway saw it moved to its present location so sure if its in the way it will be moved again but this time a few planes/bits to also consider...


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User currently offlinegoosebayguy From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2009, 406 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 40679 times:

I think moving the AVP to the South Side would be a great idea. Especially for when taking photographs. Perhaps then a more permanent site would encourage the building of a proper air museum too with real buildings housing Concorde etc? It would make a great location and attraction.

User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7396 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 39991 times:
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EK had over 64,000 passengers in July. 2,000 per day!!! This means that in 2 days EK gets more traffic than it did in the 1st 2 months of operations here in 1990.

[Edited 2013-08-17 13:36:17]

User currently offlineDanfearn77 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 1813 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 39733 times:

That is phenomenal. Considering June, July and August are usually the quieter months due to the extreme heat in the Middle East that's very impressive. Assuming the morning and evening flights are operated by 364 seat configured aircraft and the midday flight by a 517 seat A380 I make that 2,400 available seats which means a load factor of 86%. It probably evens itself out as sometime they send a 2 class 428 seat 77W but the lower 489 seat A380. EK are quite regularly arriving and departing with a load factor in the mid to high 90's over these past few weeks so I'm sure August will prove to be the same.

Last year due to the lull around May and June the EK 21/22 was non op several days and whilst the A380 was having its wing crack issues the EK 17/18 was downgraded some days too, even to an A330 on several occasions.

Hurry up and get that A380'on the EK 19/20!



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User currently offlineby738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2372 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 39519 times:

Quoting LuftyMatt (Reply 2):

777 loaded so far. Quite a lot of seats to fill initially, but I don't think anything else much smaller in their fleet has the range

[Edited 2013-08-18 05:22:47]

User currently offlineBoeing74741R From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2007, 1171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 39452 times:

Quoting acelanzarote (Reply 13):
Since Concorde is at the AVP, is this area really going to disappear..thought they had made a big visitor attraction there...?

Nothing has been confirmed as such. The report purely lists options available to MAN if growth requires expansion to a level necessary to accommodate that. And if I'm honest, I think it will be about 20-30 years or so and other capacity expansion options available to MAN before it gets to the point where redeveloping the land the AVP sits on is required.

Quoting goosebayguy (Reply 14):
I think moving the AVP to the South Side would be a great idea. Especially for when taking photographs. Perhaps then a more permanent site would encourage the building of a proper air museum too with real buildings housing Concorde etc? It would make a great location and attraction.

Agreed. There would be lots of room to build a facility that could be bigger and better than what's there already, as well as for photographs as you say. It can be a challenge taking photographs facing the sun at the AVP.


User currently offlineferengi80 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2007, 693 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 39353 times:
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The only problem with the south side is that some of the land is owned by the National Trust, so not sure if they would be able to build there. Would certainly be a better location for the AVP though.


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User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1812 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 39321 times:

SV have been recently offering real deal fares from the Indian Subcontinent/SE Asia to the UK and US, via RUH. They should add more destinations in the West and develop RUH as a functional hub to compete better with their Gulf cousins.


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User currently offlineLH121GLA From Germany, joined May 2004, 455 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 38831 times:

Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 16):
Hurry up and get that A380'on the EK 19/20!

Looks like it is happening from 21-30 September!

EK021 DXB0300 – 0740MAN 77W
EK017 DXB0715 – 1145MAN 388
EK019 DXB1435 – 1915MAN 388

EK022 MAN1000 – 2000DXB 77W
EK018 MAN1410 – 0015+1DXB 388
EK020 MAN2100 – 0705+1DXB 388


User currently offlineLuftyMatt From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 428 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 38590 times:

Quoting DIJKKIJK (Reply 20):
They should add more destinations in the West and develop RUH as a functional hub to compete better with their Gulf cousins.

It's not going to happen, they're just not interested in doing that. Same goes for KU.



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User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7396 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 38154 times:
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2.2 million passengers in July which is the busiest for 5 years. Certainly perking up at the moment but they now need to go into "Gil Thompson" mode and start the terminal improvement and expansion phase now so that there'll be no buliding works when the airport is full.

User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7396 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 37834 times:
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Brought into the open today that Expedia states "Direct flights to Dubai are only available from London airports (Heathrow and Gatwick) " for the UK traveller. The London überalles mindset helping to propagate the myth that you can only do long-haul by trekking to London?

User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3017 posts, RR: 8
Reply 25, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 38267 times:
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Quoting david_itl (Reply 24):

Brought into the open today that Expedia states "Direct flights to Dubai are only available from London airports (Heathrow and Gatwick) " for the UK traveller. The London überalles mindset helping to propagate the myth that you can only do long-haul by trekking to London?

Daft yet try to book to Singapore with them and guess what they route you through DXB and EK before about nine rows down offering the SQ327 !


User currently offlinemainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2098 posts, RR: 5
Reply 26, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 38201 times:

Quoting david_itl (Reply 23):
Certainly perking up at the moment but they now need to go into "Gil Thompson" mode and start the terminal improvement and expansion phase now so that there'll be no buliding works when the airport is full.

This always gets me thinking about the replacement of Terminal 1, which in my opinion is no longer really fit for purpose. It's functional, but the landside bits of check in and arrivals are horrible and claustrophobic. The first thing you notice as you arrive in the arrivals hall of T1 is a bank of slot machines; what a horrible first impression of Manchester they give people. Increasing capacity may be a challenge, but not if the whole facility was pulled back towards the station, giving more apron space and stands in the process. Doing so could also potentially ease taxiway access to Terminal 2.

The time to do this is now, when the other 2 terminals might feasibly handle any displaced traffic.

Quoting david_itl (Reply 24):
The London überalles mindset helping to propagate the myth that you can only do long-haul by trekking to London?

Many national newspaper travel supplements are also guilty of this.


User currently offlinecol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2123 posts, RR: 22
Reply 27, posted (1 year 2 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 38688 times:

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 25):
Daft yet try to book to Singapore with them and guess what they route you through DXB and EK before about nine rows down offering the SQ327 !

Their pricing for SQ leaves a lot to be desired too. Always check the SQ web site, never trust expedia, I only use them and e-long for travel in China.


User currently offlinemainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2098 posts, RR: 5
Reply 28, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 37986 times:

http://www.ringwaypublications.com/airline-operators/

Stupendous find, which I've copied from the other site.

I've wondered for years which airlines I used as a child..... Jersey in 1974, Toronto in 1977, Isle of Man in 1982 (people didn't fly quite as often in those days). The information is all here!


User currently offlineMAN2SIN2BKK From Germany, joined Feb 2009, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days ago) and read 37527 times:

Quoting mainMAN (Reply 28):
Stupendous find, which I've copied from the other site

Wow............. some memories here!


User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7396 posts, RR: 14
Reply 30, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 36952 times:
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Some sporting dates to put in your diaries for "special visitors".

Tue 17 Sep Man Utd V Bayer Leverkusen
Wed 02 Oct Man City V Bayern Munich
Thu 03 Oct Wigan v NK Maribor
Tue 08 Oct NBA Basketball
Thu 10 Oct Sale Sharks v Biarritz
Wed 23 Oct Man Utd V Real Sociedad
Thu 24 Oct Wigan v FC Rubin Kazan
Tue 05 Nov Man City V CSKA Moscow
Wed 27 Nov Man City V Plzen
Thu 28 Nov Wigan v SV Zulte Waregem
Tue 10 Dec Man Utd V Shakhtar Donetsk
Fri 13 Dec Sale Sharks v Oyannax (from France, prob use Geneva)

For the football at least, the teams need to be here 24 hours before the match.

also of interest is the extended dual runway opening hours:
A3014/13 NOTAMN
Q) EGTT/QMRAH/IV/NBO/A /000/999/5321N00217W005
A) EGCC B) 1308310158 C) 1310181900
E) CHANGE TO PUBLISHED OPR HOURS. RWY 23L/05R OPEN 0530-0930 AND
1200-1900 MON-FRI. WEEKEND OPR HOURS REMAIN UNCHANGED.
CREATED: 31 Aug 2013 02:01:00
SOURCE: EUECYIYN


User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7396 posts, RR: 14
Reply 31, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 36204 times:
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Nice visitor planned for 14th September: military serial PA474... the BoBMF Lancaster. Think the last time it visited MAN may well have been back in 1988.

Then on the 15th EY21 should see the F1 liveried A340 arriving then do a flypast over Dublin before back to it's nornal duties.


User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7396 posts, RR: 14
Reply 32, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 35875 times:
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Further to the Lancaster, 14th September is to be a day of celebration



"At intervals throughout the day there will be fly pasts and displays of vintage aircraft including the legendary Lancaster Bomber, Hornet Moth, Dragon and Morane Sauline.

The Blades, former RAF Red Arrows pilots who excel at formations and aerobatics, will also perform. Parachute group The Ravens’ seven man crew, will plunge from 5,000ft right into the Runway Visitor Park, armed with birthday messages, flags and smoke."


User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7396 posts, RR: 14
Reply 33, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 35468 times:
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Further to the MAN anniversary event next Saturday , this is what is scheduled between 1300 and 1800:

"The event activity will comprise visits by five historic aircraft and two aerial displays involving aircraft which will not land at Manchester."

"Two aerial displays are to take place overhead the airfield, both of which will require a suspension of runway operations on both runways for a 15 minute period. All times Local.
1615-1630 Aerobatic formation display
1725-1740 Parachute jump onto airfield"

2 arrivals and 2 departures currently scheduled for the 1st display
2 arrivals and 5 departures currently scheduled for the 2nd display

Not really affecting ops too greatly if everything runs according to plan.

Will be mostly offline for the next month so no updates from me for a while.


User currently offlineferengi80 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2007, 693 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 35015 times:
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Quoting david_itl (Reply 33):
1615-1630 Aerobatic formation display

Is this going to be the Red Arrows by any chance???



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User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1794 posts, RR: 3
Reply 35, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 34216 times:

A bit of a random post but I came across this pic of LHR's new T2....

http://www.airliners.net/photo/-/-/2318751/L/

The geography of the area, the horizon, the ramp and general position of things made me think how this could be the new MAN T1 if it ever happened.



Proud to fly from Manchester!
User currently offlinegkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24951 posts, RR: 56
Reply 36, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 34081 times:

There was also a visit from an LH A380 on a med divert this mornign D-AIMG IIRC operating IAH-FRA


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User currently offlineoly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6820 posts, RR: 11
Reply 37, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 33947 times:

Quoting gkirk (Reply 36):

There was also a visit from an LH A380 on a med divert this mornign D-AIMG IIRC operating IAH-FRA

enough to warrant a new banner photo for Manchester's spotting site

http://www.tasmanchester.com/Home.html



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User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7396 posts, RR: 14
Reply 38, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 32778 times:
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Sir Gil Thompson has passed away at the age of 82. CEO of MAN from 1981 to 1993 which saw the airport broaden it's horizons and laid down a marker as a leading European regional gateway.

User currently offlinesk736 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 32657 times:
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Quoting david_itl (Reply 38):
Sir Gil Thompson has passed away at the age of 82.

What sad news. I worked for Manchester Airport during his time as Chief Executive and he was a real gentleman. No matter how junior you were, he always had time for a chat and showed a genuine interest in his staff.


User currently offlinegkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24951 posts, RR: 56
Reply 40, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 32326 times:

bmi regional dropping Lyon from 11th November


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User currently offlineflyhi From United Kingdom, joined May 2007, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 32240 times:

ZB showing flights bookable on their site next summer from MAN to AGA, NBE and NAP

User currently offlineMattuk From UK - England, joined Sep 2010, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 32170 times:

Quoting flyhi (Reply 41):
ZB showing flights bookable on their site next summer from MAN to AGA, NBE and NAP

Plus HRG on a ZB flight number, it's only ever been served under an MON charter code.

http://www.monarch.co.uk/offers/flig...s/new-destinations-summer-fourteen


User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7396 posts, RR: 14
Reply 43, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 31754 times:
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767 N767MW due into MAN around 2250 today (5.10.13) bringing in US basketball teams for a match on Tuesday. Arriving on an Atlas Air callsign.. GTI8502

User currently offlineblueshamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2995 posts, RR: 23
Reply 44, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 31464 times:

Quoting david_itl (Reply 38):
Sir Gil Thompson has passed away at the age of 82.

I find it absolutely appalling that the TAS website has not even acknowledged Sir Gill's passing; disgraceful.


 



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User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3017 posts, RR: 8
Reply 45, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 31430 times:
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Quoting blueshamu330s (Reply 44):
I find it absolutely appalling that the TAS website has not even acknowledged Sir Gill's passing; disgraceful.

Agreed pretty poor


User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7396 posts, RR: 14
Reply 46, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 31032 times:
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Little Red performance

Seems to be very inflated number of pax on MAN-LHR as at 4 sectors per day for 6 months, it would virtually mean 100% loads which does not tally with the anecdotal evidence.


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5770 posts, RR: 5
Reply 47, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 30978 times:

Quoting david_itl (Reply 46):
Seems to be very inflated number of pax on MAN-LHR as at 4 sectors per day for 6 months, it would virtually mean 100% loads which does not tally with the anecdotal evidence

I agree, in fact it seems almost possible. 250,000 would be almost exactly 100% load on every flight!

8*30*6=1440
250000/1440=173.6 (out of 174)

  



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User currently offlinedavies2911 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2011, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 30621 times:

Is it not likely that the acrticle has stated it wrong and 250k is across the board for all of Little Red and not just the MAN route?

User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7396 posts, RR: 14
Reply 49, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 30586 times:
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Some new routes for Jet2 next summer from their online timetabe

Jersey 3 weekly
Bergerac 2 weekly
Vienna 3 weekly

[Edited 2013-10-07 12:03:07]

User currently offlineMANYUL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2013, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 30230 times:

AC starting Rouge service to/from YYZ to MAN from 26th June 2014 to 13th September 2014

AC1930 YYZ-MAN 22h05-09h55 12457
AC1931 MAN-YYZ 11h25-14h10 12356

This route was rumoured as a possibility when Rouge started but now it is bookable with AC


User currently offlinedavies2911 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2011, 40 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (1 year 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 29893 times:

I've looked at a selection of dates for next year, and they are still considerably more expensive than TS on every date ive checked.
I hope they have some sales up their sleeves otherwise I can't see this working given TS have been flying to MAN for years and already have word of mouth and previous custom in favour.


User currently offlineMANYUL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2013, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 52, posted (1 year 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 29994 times:

The one upside AC has is that they are able to offer connections with AC mainline. I am not so interested in MAN-YYZ itself but MAN-YYZ-YUL. It's also another option to get to BOS with pre-clearance in YYZ, instead of going via EWR, IAD or JFK

User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7396 posts, RR: 14
Reply 53, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 29569 times:
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Chinese join the Airport City development

Hopefully this will gain more prominence within the UK as one of the largest construction projects. Whether this will help with the securement of a direct China link is a moot point but this can be added to the Beijing sister airport agreement as nice things to bring to the discussion table as pointers on how co-operation is being developed.


User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 1
Reply 54, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 29419 times:

Well becoming sister airport with Beijing was over 2 years ago and we are still waiting for that 'DIRECT' air-link to PEK. Can't see it popping up anytime soon. I have personally had my fingers and toes for it to happen, last trip I did home to the UK was with TK via IST. (I try as much as possible to avoid LHR!)


CZ 787 to AKL can't wait.
User currently offlineLGWGate49 From Sudan, joined Nov 2009, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 29247 times:

Quoting ZKOJH (Reply 54):
Well becoming sister airport with Beijing was over 2 years ago and we are still waiting for that 'DIRECT' air-link to PEK. Can't see it popping up anytime soon.

I've heard a whisper of a rumour that Hainan Airlines are seriously considering it



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User currently offlineDanfearn77 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 1813 posts, RR: 9
Reply 56, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 29160 times:

How would they fair against EK, EY and QR? Ok they can offer connections within china but the ME3 have a lot of power and could potentially price anyone out the market.


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User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3017 posts, RR: 8
Reply 57, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 29128 times:
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Danfearn,

Given the Chinese carriers are little more than regional divisions of the CAAC (Government agency - In reality they don't compete against each other) and they don't have to worry to much from commercial operations.

From those whippers Hainan are the obvious choice given they appear to be the preferred carrier tasked with the development secondary and non alliance hub routes from Beijing and its certain NO UK airline are ever likely to serve the route anytime over the next millennium
(Re-runs of charters to Sanya excepted when economy strengthens enough)

Much of the reticence and delays in expanding the UK-China travel market is because of current UK entry VISA study and financial restrictions imposed on Chinese citizens.

These result in large numbers going elsewhere France Germany and Italy where they don't have such restrictions.

[Edited 2013-10-13 09:40:58]

[Edited 2013-10-13 09:42:29]

User currently offlineLuftyMatt From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 428 posts, RR: 0
Reply 58, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 29039 times:

Quoting Danfearn77 (Reply 56):
the ME3 have a lot of power and could potentially price anyone out the market.

Yet they don't with SQ, TK or PK.



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User currently offlineDanfearn77 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 1813 posts, RR: 9
Reply 59, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 28855 times:

The ME3 were just the obvious choice and the list was by no means exhaustive. But they are the power horses of MAN longhaul going east, no question about that. But We could go as far as saying KL, AF, LH etc could make any attempt of a direct China route difficult.

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 57):

Thanks for an informative post.



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Reply 60, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 28843 times:
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Visa rules for Chinese visitors to be relaxed.

That should be a welcome boost for all concerned! Chipping away at all the obstacles for this "wanted" Chinese route is a long-drawn out process.


User currently offlinecol From Malaysia, joined Nov 2003, 2123 posts, RR: 22
Reply 61, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 28734 times:

Now get shut of the Don't Visit Britain APD Charge, then you may get somewhere.

User currently offlinesk736 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 62, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 28403 times:
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Quoting col (Reply 61):
Now get shut of the Don't Visit Britain APD Charge, then you may get somewhere.

What a ridiculous statement. According to the Civil Aviation Authority, in 2012 there were over 114 million terminal passengers through UK airports. If we assume that half of them were departing passengers, that's 57 million people paying APD. At those levels it can hardly be described as a "don't visit Britain" charge.


User currently offlineBoysteve From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 944 posts, RR: 0
Reply 63, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 28173 times:

Quoting sk736 (Reply 62):
What a ridiculous statement. According to the Civil Aviation Authority, in 2012 there were over 114 million terminal passengers through UK airports. If we assume that half of them were departing passengers, that's 57 million people paying APD. At those levels it can hardly be described as a "don't visit Britain" charge.

Well that depends on how many visited before APD was last ramped up. MAN was busier in 2007/8 than it is now. This is mainly the economic situation but a small part will be APD I am sure!


User currently offlineBlueshamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2995 posts, RR: 23
Reply 64, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 28057 times:

Quoting sk736 (Reply 62):
What a ridiculous statement. According to the Civil Aviation Authority, in 2012 there were over 114 million terminal passengers through UK airports. If we assume that half of them were departing passengers, that's 57 million people paying APD. At those levels it can hardly be described as a "don't visit Britain" charge.

It really isn't ridiculous at all.

APD has stifled any hope of growth, short term, to North America. The United CEO said so himself that UK APD was excluding the UK from United's future growth strategy to Europe.

British Airways has seen a net drop in UK originating premium class travel. Instead, savvy UK travellers are buying cheap economy tickets to the likes of AMS, BRU, CDG, LUX and FRA, to commence their premium class travel outside of the UK and avoid APD. However, just as these passengers can back track to LHR, those same passengers can choose instead to fly with any other carrier once they are arrive at a European hub. APD is therefore bad for British Airways also.

I don't have the stats. sheet to hand, but I have seen a tabulation of comparative growth against major European airports. There is an overall increase in passenger totals. However, one would expect nothing less after the near-meltdown of European economies. Of note though was that the rate of growth of LHR and LGW out of this recession was less than other European airports which, bearing in mind LHR has always been one of the main barometers of aviation trends, suggests that APD is having a significant effect on UK passenger totals, even at airports some might have thought were immune.

Emirates are also on record as having not selected MAN for its 5th freedom flight from Europe to NYC because of APD. Instead, MXP was chosen for the route, and who can blame them. They continue to object to it, most recently in July:

Quote:

The senior UK-based executive of Dubai’s Emirates Airline has hit out at the British government’s tax on air travel, claiming it is anti-competitive and hindering the recovery of the British economy, Arabian Business has reported.

Emirates’ UK vice-president Laurie Berryman said Air Passenger Duty (APD) was essentially “a tax on business” and was a major challenge for growth at a time when companies were still feeling the impact of the global downturn.

“If the government is trying to encourage us to come out of the recession with SMEs (small and medium sized enterprises) exporting more... why would you tax them flying off to Indonesia and Vietnam? They are paying a big chunk of tax every time they visit those markets,” Berryman reportedly said.

APD currently costs £52 ($79) for short-haul flights and up to £376 ($575) for long-haul journeys, and while it has an obvious impact on the growth of the travel market, or the UK economy as a whole as Berryman claimed, analysts said it is unlikely to be scrapped any time soon

“APD is a hefty hit to ticket prices for customers flying out of the UK. What's worse is that it is unlikely ever to be scrapped since is a pretty cool way for the government to raise near endless revenue as they know that leisure, tourist and business travellers simply have to fly to go overseas and people will end up paying it,” said Saj Ahmad, chief analyst at StrategicAero Research. "Laurie Berryman is right about APD - while the government can rub its hands at the sight of its coffers expanding via APD revenue, on the flipside, it is punishing those who want to export or create trade links with emerging and resurgent economic regions outside of the EU. There isn't the incentive to do so - all you're doing is paying tax to fly, which is probably more than double the cost of the actual ticket in some cases - how can that be economically sensible in austere times like these that the UK is trying to get out of?”
http://arabianindustry.com/aviation/...n-air-travel-4395638/#.Ulz5IRaxL1s

Former Singapore Airlines chief executive Chew Choong Seng claimed UK APD was "a deliberate measures to limit air transportation" and cited it as "a cynical and blatant form of taxation".

There is empirical evidence that cost-conscious US tourist passengers are routing more now through CDG, AMS and BRU for their European vacations rather than through the UK. The UK tourist board put out a statement to this effect, which I will endeavour to dig out and post.

Quoting col (Reply 61):
Now get shut of the Don't Visit Britain APD Charge

  

It's a worthy cause, but now that APD is an established and proven revenue stream for the Exchequer, the chances of it being scrapped are second to none.

Rgds



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User currently offlineLN-KGL From Norway, joined Sep 1999, 1048 posts, RR: 4
Reply 65, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 28010 times:

Blueshamu330s, I suggest you take closer look at the newly released UK CAA Survey for 2012, and you find a slightly different picture. For MAN there has been a clear reduction in the share UK citizens on business travel in 2012 and at the same time foreign business travellers increased considerably. Looking at the leisure segment there was clear decline among UK citizens and again the foreigners increased. MAN is very different to LHR in many ways, but the single most diffrent is that almost every passenger pays APD on their departure from the airport - not like at LHR with its large share of transfer passenger that only use LHR as a via between two international destinations that don't pay any APD.

User currently offlineBlueshamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2995 posts, RR: 23
Reply 66, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 27969 times:

...which was my point; that many UK "originating" passengers are hopping over to the continent on a Y class ticket, to commence their main journey in a premium cabin, often routing back through the UK and thus avoiding the premium rate of APD.


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User currently offlineMANYUL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2013, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 67, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 27874 times:

Quoting Blueshamu330s (Reply 66):
...which was my point; that many UK "originating" passengers are hopping over to the continent on a Y class ticket, to commence their main journey in a premium cabin, often routing back through the UK and thus avoiding the premium rate of APD.

APD isn't the only factor, although a pretty big one. Base fares can be extortionate too. Tomorrow I'm heading to DUB on the train and boat, spending a night in a hotel at DUB before flying DUB-LHR-YUL-YUY. Not to save a few quid but because the same flight LHR-YUL-YUY and MAN-LHR-YUL-YUY were over £400 dearer after hotel and train costs.


User currently offlineBlueshamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2995 posts, RR: 23
Reply 68, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 27806 times:

More on APD today:

Quote:
Millions avoid long-haul APD by taking short hops…

15 October 2013

The Government is losing an estimated £200m each year as passengers use European hub airports to avoid the full cost of the UK’s Air Passenger Duty.

A poll of 359 people, carried out by A Fair Tax on Flying – a campaign group for the reform of APD – found that 3.6% of flyers say they chose to transit via airports in nearby European countries, to avoid the higher levy when taking longer-haul flights.

The campaigners say that nearly 98m people departed from a UK airport in 2012/2013, so that if 3.6% chose to avoid the UK – as the poll findings suggest – this equates to more than 3.5m people.

A conservative estimate shows the Government could therefore have missed out on almost £190m in lost APD revenue but as many passengers use this method to avoid long-haul flights to the most expensive bands, the loss is probably much greater.

Darren Caplan, chief executive of the Airport Operators Association, said: ‘The increase in people flying routes specifically designed to avoid paying shockingly high APD rates in the UK is a real problem.

‘It is not just inconvenient for passengers but it also reduces APD receipts for the Treasury.

‘Additionally, UK airports and airlines lose out to European rivals, making the country less competitive and also less well connected.
http://www.e-tid.com/millions-avoid-...ul-apd-by-taking-short-hops/87883/

and

Quote:

More than 250 top British CEOs, managing directors and board members have signed a new petition warning the Chancellor of the burden of Air Passenger Duty on UK plc.

The bosses say the tax is a ‘significant additional burden’ on British businesses and call upon the Government to take urgent action to ‘reduce the world’s highest air passenger tax’.

The chief executives include Colin Matthews, Heathrow; Craig Kreeger, Virgin Atlantic; Keith Williams, British Airways; Robert Sinclair, Bristol Airport; Liz Cameron, Scottish Chambers of Commerce; and Charlie Cornish, Manchester Airports Group.

Managing directors who have signed the petition include Joel Brandon-Bravo, UK MD of Travelzoo and Mervyn Williamson, Statesman Travel Group.
http://www.e-tid.com/as-uk-bosses-tell-the-chancellor-to-act/87880/

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User currently offlineLN-KGL From Norway, joined Sep 1999, 1048 posts, RR: 4
Reply 69, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 27728 times:

Quoting Blueshamu330s (Reply 66):
...which was my point; that many UK "originating" passengers are hopping over to the continent on a Y class ticket, to commence their main journey in a premium cabin, often routing back through the UK and thus avoiding the premium rate of APD.

Maybe you didn't see that UK CAA in their surveys use purpose of a trip, not flying with a certain class. That's why I don't use upper case first letter in business. Certainly, a number of people are risking missing their long distance flight because they have bought separate tickets to avoid having to pay for band B, C and D destinations. How many more hours do one need to be earlier than with a transfer ticket? 2 hours, 3 hours or maybe more? This has to be done both ways to get the most favorable prices. To sum this up, one may be off work for up to six or more hours to avoid paying thr three top bands, but since time is money - are your work per hour more worth than?
Band B = (£134 - £13) / 6 hours = £20.17 / h
Band C = (£166 - £13) / 6 hours = £25.50 / h
Band D = (£188 - £13) / 6 hours = £29.17 / h
If yes on these, you are creating extra stress for yourself - and your employer have to pay extra to do that to you.

[Edited 2013-10-15 07:16:23]

User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7396 posts, RR: 14
Reply 70, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 27505 times:
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Obituary for Sir Gil Thompson

31 years in the airline business and a further 12 running MAN. Utilising the knowledge garnered in the former to transform the latter. I wonder if he will have any future development after him? I recollect that a business suite was named after Gordon Sweetapple. Perhaps something similar, or there if something more suitable would be worthy.


User currently offlineBlueshamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2995 posts, RR: 23
Reply 71, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 27426 times:

Quoting LN-KGL (Reply 69):
are your work per hour more worth than?

I think you underestimate the number of "business" travellers who will intentionally build a separate cheap European leg into an itinerary; if company is paying, it saves them some cash, the traveller doesn't object to the extra travel in their own time, because they more often than not get more frequent flyer miles by originating their premium travel in the EU.

I know many who do exactly that in their relentless pursuit of saving money whilst boosting their FF status; one I know as an example, a cosmetic surgeon, flies MAN - LAX atleast twice a month, but instead of the quickest route, he always, without fail, books a cheap KLM ticket MAN-AMS and then routes AMS-LHR-LAX with BA. It saves him apporx. £600 on his ticket, his time to AMS is classed as part of his travel day anyway, plus he gets extra tier points for his extra BA sectors; all for 4 hours of his time which, as I've said, is a travel day anyway.

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User currently offlineLN-KGL From Norway, joined Sep 1999, 1048 posts, RR: 4
Reply 72, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 27259 times:

I thought I was the awkward one, flying in to AMS just to get to a new airport in the UK (last one was three weeks ago to fly with Darwin in to Cambridge).

User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7396 posts, RR: 14
Reply 73, posted (1 year 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 26861 times:
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US746/747 starts 23rd May daily to Charlotte using 757s arrives 0930 departs 1425

[Edited 2013-10-19 10:54:18]

User currently offlineBlueshamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2995 posts, RR: 23
Reply 74, posted (1 year 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 26755 times:

Ooooooooh, that came in under the radar.

Excellent news. I wonder if this would have seen the light of day had the AA/US merger gone ahead as scheduled... Meanwhile, business as usual...

Rgds



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User currently offlineoly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6820 posts, RR: 11
Reply 75, posted (1 year 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 26705 times:

Quoting david_itl (Reply 73):

Rather late departure, it'll land around 5pm in the afternoon local time.

What's the market? Are there any businesses at either end supporting this or is it for the hub at CLT? Or feeding Orlando?

It'll also be one of the longest flights with a B757. EWR-TXL is about 100 miles longer.



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User currently offlinecipango From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 642 posts, RR: 0
Reply 76, posted (1 year 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 26709 times:

Quoting david_itl (Reply 73):
US746/747 starts 23rd May daily to Charlotte using 757s arrives 0930 departs 1425

Finally! This route has been rumoured for years!

A little surprised at the long turnaround time though. This might limit a few connection opportunities from CLT and flying on to the West-Coast would have a late arrival time for example.

Either way great news.


User currently offlinegkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24951 posts, RR: 56
Reply 77, posted (1 year 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 27020 times:

Just back from TFS last night ...1 hour 10 mins from landing to getting bags at an empty T2...


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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5770 posts, RR: 5
Reply 78, posted (1 year 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 26821 times:

The times for the new CLT flight are:

US746 CLT-MAN 20:35-09:39
US747 MAN-CLT 14:25-18:20

PHL looks like it is remaining 332 next summer, which is good


I've had a look at the schedules to see what sort of connections work, and from the looks of things this flight is definitely aimed at the South/Florida, although there are some connections to SFO etc available as well. This isn't an exhaustive list, but taking August 5 as I test date I got:

US886 CLT-MCO 20:07-21:37
US1871 CLT-TPA 20:04-21:39
US2087 CLT-FLL 20:20-22:15
US4523 CLT-DAB 20:03-21:26
US1921 CLT-JAX 20:07-21:21
US643 CLT-LAS 20:15-21:45
US463 CLT-SFO 20:15-22:35
US487 CLT-DFW 20:05-21:39
US1857 CLT-IAH 20:10-21:41
US2873 CLT-AUS 20:54-22:28
US4503 CLT-XNA 20:41-21:46
US2797 CLT-SDF 20:35-21:56
US2779 CLT-MYR 20:33-21:22
US4189 CLT-HHH 20:37-21:48
US3857 CLT-CAE 20:25-21:08
US827 CLT-RDU 20:00-20:52
US2870 CLT-GSO 20:25-21:09
US3752 CLT-AVL 21:20-21:57
US4260 CLT-EWN 20:30-21:35
US2737 CLT-ILM 20:20-21:13
US1822 CLT-RIC 20:10-21:15



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User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7396 posts, RR: 14
Reply 79, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 26514 times:
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Analysis of MAN, and how it's future challenges that stretches out over 2 articles.

Article 1 does include this "There has never been a direct air service connecting MAN with the West Coast of the US." which is obviously wrong as there's been links to LAX via GK Skytrain, KT's charter and BA's 17 months of 5 weekly operation between 1993 and 1994.


Article 2 includes this:
"British Airways is clearly not going to help, at least under the present management. Over the course of the last two decades, what was a fit-for-purpose BA Regional operation at both Manchester and Birmingham airports was whittled down and replaced (in the case of Manchester) by a half-hearted low-cost subsidiary, BA Connect".

MAN has got to the only airport that generates 20 million passengers a year with no based airline, instead having a number of LCCs and European legacy airlines that (for the most part!) seem to co-exist. You do have to wonder if there was a based airline what the outcome would have been.

More intriguingly, we are in the midst of a mini-resurgence of long-haul with the pseudo-scheduled offerings from Thomas Cook to the "bucket and spade" destination stating this winter that will see thier long-haul flights being co-ordinated with BE, SV confirmation news in a Sheffield newspaper, the new US + Rouge flights and prospects for a China service slightly more enhanced, after a number of years seeing most development in this sector being down to QR, EK and EY. Is this down to more disposable income for the population up here generating demand or the introduction of "fuel efficient" aircraft making known potential markets more viable? As none of these services are on the new generation aircraft, you can assume that it's the former.

[Edited 2013-10-20 08:45:44]

User currently offlinegilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 80, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 26500 times:

Quoting cipango (Reply 76):
A little surprised at the long turnaround time though. This might limit a few connection opportunities from CLT and flying on to the West-Coast would have a late arrival time for example.

This is very typical of US Airways scheduling...

Typically where the airline flies to Charlotte and Philly from a European airport they try to seperate the departure times of both flights by a couple of hours.

As you can connect to virtually all the same major destinations from both US Hubs, the airline seperates the departure times, by a couple of hours to give the European traveller a choice of times...

But I do agree this a late time to depart, and would have though they might have moved the Philly departure to around 11am and then the Charlotte departure to around 1pm.


User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7396 posts, RR: 14
Reply 81, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 26426 times:
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This what the MAN timetable is throwing up for Condor for next year.


06:40 xx:xx DE1710 05/05/14 - 13/10/14 Palma
xx:xx 09:35 DE1711 05/05/14 - 13/10/14 Palma

06:40 xx:xx DE2710 06/05/14 - 14/10/14 Palma
xx:xx 09:35 DE2711 06/05/14 - 14/10/14 Palma

06:40 xx:xx DE3710 21/05/14 - 01/10/14 Palma
xx:xx 12:50 DE3711 21/05/14 - 01/10/14 Palma
13:50 xx:xx DE3482 07/05/14 - 15/10/14 Fuerteventura
xx:xx 23:25 DE3483 07/05/14 - 15/10/14 Fuerteventura


06:40 xx:xx DE4710 01/05/14 - 16/10/14 Palma
xx:xx 09:35 DE4711 01/05/14 - 16/10/14 Palma

06:40 xx:xx DE5710 02/05/14 - 17/10/14 Palma
xx:xx 22:00 DE5711 02/05/14 - 17/10/14 Palma

04:25 xx:xx DE6532 03/05/14 - 11/10/14 Ibiza
xx:xx 10:45 DE6533 03/05/14 - 11/10/14 Ibiza
15:15 xx:xx DE6482 03/05/14 - 11/10/14 Fuerteventura
xx:xx 00:50 DE6483 03/05/14 - 11/10/14 Fuerteventura

05:30 xx:xx DE7668 04/05/14 - 28/09/14 Zakynthos
xx:xx 14:00 DE7669 04/05/14 - 28/09/14 Zakynthos
15:00 xx:xx DE7724 04/05/14 - 28/09/14 Kos
xx:xx 00:30 DE7725 04/05/14 - 28/09/14 Kos



Monday's flights are at the top with Sundays at the bottom.
Column 1 = depart MAN
Column 2 = arrive MAN
Column 3 = flight number
Column 4 = dates of operation
Column 5 = route

Seems there's an aircraft swap on Monday, Tuesday and Thursday.


User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2491 posts, RR: 2
Reply 82, posted (1 year 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 25666 times:

Anyone knows why there was a LH A330-300 at MAN on the 15th?:


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User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3017 posts, RR: 8
Reply 83, posted (1 year 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 25632 times:
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Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 82):
Anyone knows why there was a LH A330-300 at MAN on the 15th?:

In for a spit and polish (Repainting)

Others due over the coming months.


User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2491 posts, RR: 2
Reply 84, posted (1 year 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 25593 times:

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 83):
In for a spit and polish (Repainting)

Others due over the coming months.

Thanks for the info.



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Reply 85, posted (1 year 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 25026 times:
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4 aircraft diverted into MAN due to the high winds - from boring to most interesting, they were:

G-LCYF operating CJ8450 AMS-LCY
C-GHLM operating AC856 YYZ-LHR
9V-SKN operating SQ322 SIN-LHR
HS-TGF operating TG910 BKK-LHR

How often can you say an 1st time visiting A380 that's not EK is not the most interesting aircraft? Not very! Except this is the 1st visit of TG to MAN since 13th November 1989 and I fear this will satisfy them in having operated a BKK-MAN service after more than 20 years of rumours which could well mean that MAN will no longer feature in the "prospective" list of destinations for them to serve...


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Reply 86, posted (1 year 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 24685 times:

Do you think we will see Qatar move from T2 across to T3 now they have joined OneWorld, I think the BA lounge is far superior to the lounges available in T2

User currently offlineMattuk From UK - England, joined Sep 2010, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 87, posted (12 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 24176 times:

BMI Regional have announced the closure of their base at MAN and the axing of its routes to EDI & ANR.

The announcement also sees the closure of bases at EDI & BHX, plus the axing of EDI-CPH, EDI-BRU, BHX-BLL.


User currently offlinecipango From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 642 posts, RR: 0
Reply 88, posted (12 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 23816 times:

Quoting Mattuk (Reply 87):
BMI Regional have announced the closure of their base at MAN

I read in another thread that they have 18 aircraft and 8 bases. This is ludicrous and I found hard to believe they had lasted so long under this business plan.

Where will their main hubs be now?


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Reply 89, posted (12 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 23734 times:
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NCL, BRS and ABZ. They are also doing some Norwegian domestic flying as well I believe.

User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4808 posts, RR: 44
Reply 90, posted (12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 23310 times:

so whats the update with SV starting new MAN flights ?

If it does launch, I feel the earliest would be FEB 2014 as thats when Umrah season restarts.


User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3017 posts, RR: 8
Reply 91, posted (12 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 23223 times:
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Quoting behramjee (Reply 90):

so whats the update with SV starting new MAN flights ?

If it does launch, I feel the earliest would be FEB 2014 as thats when Umrah season restarts.

An official statement/confirmation of resumption is still awaited.

All we have currently are a string of press interviews/reports pointing their intentions along with some preliminary slot holdings for a three weekly service with a 77L (Thats their code for three class model HZ-AKA - HZ-AKK excluding AKF which is for charters only) and re commencing in April 2014 to Jeddah.


User currently offlinelisbonbearuk From Portugal, joined Jan 2010, 439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 92, posted (12 months 11 hours ago) and read 22839 times:

It seems to have gone a bit quiet on EZY future expansion from MAN. Have they reached their limit?

User currently offlinesk736 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2006, 527 posts, RR: 0
Reply 93, posted (12 months 10 hours ago) and read 22737 times:
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Quoting rutankrd (Reply 91):
All we have currently are a string of press interviews/reports pointing their intentions along with some preliminary slot holdings for a three weekly service with a 77L (Thats their code for three class model HZ-AKA - HZ-AKK excluding AKF which is for charters only) and re commencing in April 2014 to Jeddah.

Is it likely to be non-stop or via GVA as in the past?


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Reply 94, posted (12 months 8 hours ago) and read 22650 times:
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Quoting lisbonbearuk (Reply 92):
It seems to have gone a bit quiet on EZY future expansion from MAN. Have they reached their limit?

Buying all the slots at LGW from BE as put any expansion for MAN on hold. I've not looked into the new routes other British airports have had but i'd imagine it down to them fine tuning operations there. There's plenty of room for U2 to expand routes at MAN but think we're getting slightly ahead of ourselves to expect a new aircraft to be based each ywrs when they've signed 3 or 4 long-term agreements with various airports.


In other news, passenger numbers up in October by just under 7%. it's definitely been a bounce-back year and all the more impressive when you factor in the loss of the LGW link


User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1794 posts, RR: 3
Reply 95, posted (12 months 7 hours ago) and read 22560 times:

Quoting lisbonbearuk (Reply 92):
It seems to have gone a bit quiet on EZY future expansion from MAN. Have they reached their limit?


2013 so far...

2 extra based aircraft and new routes
DME
VCE
JTR
JMK
PRG
KEF
LYS
SKG

Hardly quiet.

Recruitment for cabin crew has recently been open for next year but who knows. As is the case these days, however, there is tough competition between bases to secure based aircraft in a period where deliveries aren't as thick and fast as they once were.



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User currently offlineMattuk From UK - England, joined Sep 2010, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 96, posted (11 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 22141 times:

A new route from MAN-TAB has been announced. The flight is to be operated by TCX and probably links in with their new MAN hub with regional connections flown on its behalf by BE.

http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/Articl...anchester-to-tobago-announced.html


User currently offlineMattuk From UK - England, joined Sep 2010, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 97, posted (11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 21712 times:

Quoting lisbonbearuk (Reply 92):
It seems to have gone a bit quiet on EZY future expansion from MAN. Have they reached their limit?

And just as you say that another new route is launched. MAN-CTA will operate twice weekly.

http://www.e-tid.com/easyjet-boosts-catania-flights/89229/


User currently offlineoly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6820 posts, RR: 11
Reply 98, posted (11 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 21606 times:

Etihad going to a 77W on one of their daily flights for December.

http://www.arabianbusiness.com/abu-d...ty-by-28--524842.html#.Unv0j_m-2So
http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/Articl...ester-capacity-over-christmas.html

EY haven't updated their site yet to say which of EY15 or EY21 will get the upgrade.



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User currently offlineMAN2SIN2BKK From Germany, joined Feb 2009, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 99, posted (11 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 21434 times:

Quoting oly720man (Reply 98):
Etihad going to a 77W on one of their daily flights for December.

Flew with EY on 77Ws in economy BKK-AUH-FRA return last month............. the seat width and pitch really hurt!


User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7396 posts, RR: 14
Reply 100, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 21134 times:
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Mentioned in a DUB-CUN link we find this:

"We are also looking for an agreement with Virgin Atlantic British Airline, to increase weekly flights between Cancun (considered as the main tourism destination in the Mexican Caribbean) and the city of Manchester,” Borge Angulo concluded,"


That would presumably mean that both 747s would be used everyday so perhaps it's a "proper" basing of 2 aircraft rather than a positioning service every week?


article in Spanish about expansion of Cancun services contains this English translation:

"As far as middle of next year , they would be announcing the start five new direct flights weekly to each with approximately 300 seats ." The destinations talked about are Manchester , Dublin , and Scandinavia. Overkill or a combined 5 weekly I'll leave you to decide!

[Edited 2013-11-08 14:36:12]

User currently offlinespiplane From UK - England, joined Jan 2005, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 101, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 20594 times:
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Spotted a new A330 for Thomas Cook last Sunday - turns out to be ex bmi G-WWBM, so this is really 'welcome back to MAN'.

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User currently offlineDaleaholic From UK - England, joined Oct 2005, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 102, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 20753 times:

Quoting spiplane (Reply 101):

Aye, new reg is G-CHTZ



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User currently offlinewilld From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2008, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 103, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 20544 times:

Quoting spiplane (Reply 101):
Spotted a new A330 for Thomas Cook last Sunday

I couldn't believe that they painted her originally in the old scheme despite the fact that the new corporate ID had been published. I see they then gave her the hybrid livery.

One would have thought, given they knew she was coming and they also knew that they were about to launch a new corporate identity, that she would have been the first TCX plane in the new grey livery.

Instead, as she is the newest painted, will be in the hybrid livery for years.


User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7396 posts, RR: 14
Reply 104, posted (11 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 19996 times:
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Monarch's basing an additional aircraft next year as part of a deal signed today. MAN already has 25% of their fleet based.


Lest we forget to cite a source for this info!. Lose an A300 gain an A320 with the benefit being a more potential destinations available as it should be able easier to fill 1 small aircraft rather than having to find routes that would benefit from 1 large aircraft?

[Edited 2013-11-14 13:49:35]

User currently offlineliverpoola380 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 105, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 19653 times:

Will Virgin ever start MAN - CUN?

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Reply 106, posted (11 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 19101 times:
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Probably but they need to mull over how they would incorporate it into the existing flying pattern.


easyJet impressed with MAN ops but no immediate expansion


This is the bit we really need to chew over:

"But commercial chief Ali Gayward told the M.E.N there was "still work to do" at the gateway. She added: "Our strategy is to be either the number one or number two airline at any airport we operate from and currently we are fourth at Manchester."

Presumably the top 3 airlines in no particular order are FR, LS and ZB. One way to alleviate any potential problems in the mornings/evenings due congestion whilst bolstering ops are the flights from overseas bases.

Let me throw this wide open. Two of their biggest bases are Basel and Berlin. Both are served with MAN based aircraft. What do we think of actually making the routes BSL-MAN-BSL and SXF-MAN-SXF thus allowing for 2 more destinations on a 4 or 5 weekly basis to be announced without increasing based aircraft? Let's say Nice and Zurich for the routes from our based fleet. Throw in ops from Milan and Rome and all of a sudden we'll have 4 new routes.

[Edited 2013-11-20 12:41:10]

User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1794 posts, RR: 3
Reply 107, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 18684 times:

Quoting david_itl (Reply 106):
Let me throw this wide open. Two of their biggest bases are Basel and Berlin. Both are served with MAN based aircraft. What do we think of actually making the routes BSL-MAN-BSL and SXF-MAN-SXF thus allowing for 2 more destinations on a 4 or 5 weekly basis to be announced without increasing based aircraft? Let's say Nice and Zurich for the routes from our based fleet. Throw in ops from Milan and Rome and all of a sudden we'll have 4 new routes.

I'd hardly say SXF and BSL are two of Easyjet's biggest bases. Next year will see some BIO and PRG rotations operated by STN and more BFS flights flown by Aldergrove based aircraft and crew. When you scrutinise the finer detail, few UK sectors (comparatively speaking) are actually flown by the Continental bases.



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User currently offlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 108, posted (11 months 17 hours ago) and read 17774 times:

Aer Lingus Regional to increase frequency of SNN-MAN to 3x daily from April

http://www.shannonairport.ie/gns/abo...000_additional_seats_for_2014.aspx



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User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7396 posts, RR: 14
Reply 109, posted (11 months 7 hours ago) and read 17512 times:
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Article on Birmingham's Chinese approaches

What's interesting is the table at the bottom of that article which is origin destination for bi-directioal UK-China in 2012. For the UK it starts:

LHR 808231 pax = 67.6% market
MAN 145812 pax = 12.2% market
BHX 58988 pax = 4.8% market
LGW 44805 pax = 3.8% market
EDI 38816 pax = 3.3% market

Hopefully that should shut some people up about where there's an "obvious" choice for an new Chinese link for the UK.

145812 pax represent 399.48 passengers per day. or 199.74 each way per day. Bordering on nice daily 787 route or even an A330?


User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3017 posts, RR: 8
Reply 110, posted (11 months 6 hours ago) and read 17408 times:
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David i know you have posted this elsewhere .

A more interesting statistic and comparison

Hainan have announced PEK-BOS based on annual boardings in 2012 of just 127,418 to ALL China

If thats a base then Manchester should surely work right now and we already know Hong Kong alone has around another 140,000 boardings as well !


User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7396 posts, RR: 14
Reply 111, posted (11 months 6 hours ago) and read 17372 times:
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Utterly frustrating that airlines continue to prefer operating hub-hub when they are, if you pardon the oxymoron, thick thin routes that could be served. It's not as though it would impact on LHR ops!

User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7396 posts, RR: 14
Reply 112, posted (10 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 16989 times:
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1st LH 77F due in today, around 1315 or so.

User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7396 posts, RR: 14
Reply 113, posted (10 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 16742 times:
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UA and AA are both sending in a 767 tomorrow, going off what Flightradar24 is showing as due.

User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2491 posts, RR: 2
Reply 114, posted (10 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 16356 times:

Quoting david_itl (Reply 112):
1st LH 77F due in today, around 1315 or so.

Here's a photo of it arriving yesterday. Photo by Fergus Bell:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7395/11270671024_2a840e14d6_b.jpg



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User currently offlineDanfearn77 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 1813 posts, RR: 9
Reply 115, posted (10 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 16326 times:

The IAD was cancelled yesterday and it seems like it has been cancelled today so that might be why. And the EWR is running about 4 hours late.


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User currently offlinecipango From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 642 posts, RR: 0
Reply 116, posted (10 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 16117 times:

Just noticed on the MAN wiki page that Condor have 7 new routes starting in April '14.

There is no source next to this, does anyone know if this is true or a wiki troll?


User currently offlineLuftyMatt From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 428 posts, RR: 0
Reply 117, posted (10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 15953 times:

Quoting cipango (Reply 116):
Quoting cipango (Reply 116):
does anyone know if this is true or a wiki troll?

It's true (more or less.) Thomas Cook and Condor will be operating flights for each other as they increase co-operation. They are also code-sharing on certain flights already.



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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2491 posts, RR: 2
Reply 118, posted (10 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 15271 times:

CX will be sending a 747-8F to MAN on Thursday. It will arrive at 10 50am and depart at 12 50pm.

Of course, like the An-225 a couple months ago, im gonna miss it because im 4000 miles away....    Talk about unlucky....  



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User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9906 posts, RR: 15
Reply 119, posted (10 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 15173 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 118):
CX will be sending a 747-8F to MAN on Thursday. It will arrive at 10 50am and depart at 12 50pm.

Of course, like the An-225 a couple months ago, im gonna miss it because im 4000 miles away.... Talk about unlucky....

You are lucky with all that traffic there!!! I wish we had that type of traffic here 4000 miles away  

A388


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Reply 120, posted (10 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 15013 times:
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Some Ryanair expansion coming along: no baloney, we're getting Bologna 3 weekly and a new Adriatic destination in Zadar 2 weekly.

User currently offlinegkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24951 posts, RR: 56
Reply 121, posted (10 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 14699 times:

Quoting cipango (Reply 116):

Condor are basing a 757-300 at MAN next summer



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User currently offlineLiverpoola380 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 122, posted (10 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 14597 times:

Quoting gkirk (Reply 121):
Condor are basing a 757-300 at MAN next summer

Will this be operated by TCX or Condor?

Is it likely to route through Germany or just offer P2P from MAN?


User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3017 posts, RR: 8
Reply 123, posted (10 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 14559 times:
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Quoting Liverpoola380 (Reply 122):
Will this be operated by TCX or Condor?

Is it likely to route through Germany or just offer P2P from MAN?

Its been known for several months - They are basing a 753 and operating on the Condor AOC.

Routes P2P to Canaries/Palma and Greece.

Plane change in W pattern with Frankfurt unit if memory serves over Palma.

Fuerteventura (begins 3 May 2014), Ibiza (begins 3 May 2014), Kos (begins 4 May 2014), Palma de Mallorca (begins 11 April 2014), Rhodes (begins 7 May 2014), Tobago (begins 29 October 2014 This is a 76W !), Zakynthos (begins 28 April 2014)


User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7396 posts, RR: 14
Reply 124, posted (10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 14340 times:
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We do have the Condor ops listed in this thread

Quoting david_itl (Reply 81):
This what the MAN timetable is throwing up for Condor for next year.


User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2491 posts, RR: 2
Reply 125, posted (10 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 14165 times:

The CX 747-8F is currently at MAN as I type this (even though im 4000 miles away...). The Aircraft is B-LJA in the Hong Kong Trader livery. Here's a photo someone posted of it on approach:

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3706/11448491654_ff7a12d82c_b.jpg
B-LJA - Cathay Pacific Cargo Boeing B747-867F by QSY on-route, on Flickr



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User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7396 posts, RR: 14
Reply 126, posted (10 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 13754 times:
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So on 7th August i started this thread about SV restarting...it's now bookable. Wonder when the official PR piece will come out.

User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7396 posts, RR: 14
Reply 127, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 13727 times:
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couple of crosswind diversions tonight: PK775 from LBA which was intending to divert to BHX but en-route there did a 180 and came to MAN, and EZS1497 from BHX.

User currently offlinespiplane From UK - England, joined Jan 2005, 144 posts, RR: 0
Reply 128, posted (10 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 12888 times:
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Looks like we are getting quite a few Etihad 773s lately instead of the usual A330s. Is this structural or just extra seats for the holiday season?

Cheers, Paul



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User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7396 posts, RR: 14
Reply 129, posted (10 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 12881 times:
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holidays only but EY21 upgrades permanently to 77W from 1st June

User currently offlineblueshamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2995 posts, RR: 23
Reply 130, posted (10 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 12566 times:

Quoting david_itl (Reply 129):
EY21 upgrades permanently to 77W from 1st June

Ugggh and ugggh again.  

From a traveller's persecutive, a big downgrade for those in Coral economy.

Love the A332 for it's 2-4-2 arrangement.   

Beyond the 28 Pearl class seats, the B773 is one big economy hall of 3-4-3. Only once travelled in it and the experience was comparable to a recent trip to SSH on a Monarch A306. There wasn't one single reason, yet it felt cramped, claustrophobic, and I felt hemmed in.   

I'd much rather see the A332 stay with an additional daily rotation.   

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User currently offlineLiverpoola380 From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2012, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 131, posted (10 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 12405 times:

Does anybody know if and when MAN will begin terminal expansion?

Is it likely we will see T3 & 1 Merged with a new low cost pier at the end of the current T3 where AA currently park?


User currently offlineDaleaholic From UK - England, joined Oct 2005, 3208 posts, RR: 13
Reply 132, posted (10 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 11956 times:

Quoting liverpoola380 (Reply 105):
Will Virgin ever start MAN - CUN?

In a word, no. Both TOM & TCX fly there several times a week. It wouldn't make sense for Virgin.



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User currently offlineBoeing74741R From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2007, 1171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 133, posted (10 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 11904 times:

Quoting Daleaholic (Reply 132):

To be fair, they were up against the charter carriers and BD when they launched BGI several years ago. That said, l could see them starting it if demand from the likes of Virgin Holidays warranted it, but then I can think of several other routes on the VS network not served from MAN that could do a lot better than CUN. Either way, I can't see any expansion without another route elsewhere being cut until after the 787s have been introduced and the A340s that are intending to be withdrawn have left the fleet.


User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7396 posts, RR: 14
Reply 134, posted (10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 11688 times:
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SV123/124 now showing in the airport timetable. Bit by bit, it's gaining traction.

User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7396 posts, RR: 14
Reply 135, posted (9 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10940 times:
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CX3335 due in today - 747 B-LKE on it's retirement flight.

User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3017 posts, RR: 8
Reply 136, posted (9 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10934 times:
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Quoting david_itl (Reply 135):
747 B-LKE on it's retirement flight.

David thats B-HKE one of the ex Singapore 747-412 models.
I think Spanners mentioned it in another place however didn't identify the exact frame.

I presume customs clearance and off to the scrappers - Kemble/Buntingthorpe or St Athan ?


User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7396 posts, RR: 14
Reply 137, posted (9 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10928 times:
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so it is. Brain just engaged in the "it's a CX freighter, it should be B-Lxx" mode. Presume it's going Kemble eventually.. Nice that CX routes them here but just wish we didn't have to wait for passneger services for a couple more years.

User currently offlineblueshamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2995 posts, RR: 23
Reply 138, posted (9 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 10827 times:

Quoting david_itl (Reply 135):
CX3335 due in today - 747 B-LKE on it's retirement flight.

Enroute. They've taken the old girl up to FL430 as part of her final journey.

Currently over the Baltic Sea.

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User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7396 posts, RR: 14
Reply 139, posted (9 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 10307 times:
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The 2013 annual statistics been revealed by MAN:

Domestic: 2,256,021 = down 1.54%
International scheduled: 14,105, 429 = up 10.59%
Charter: 4,326,093 = down 6.25%
Miscellaneous: 10,083 = down 0.08%

Overall: 20,697,626 = up 5.22%
including transit, overall: 20,843,977 = up 5.05%


Freight = 97,243 tonnes = down 1.23%


User currently offlinemainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2098 posts, RR: 5
Reply 140, posted (9 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9997 times:

Quoting david_itl (Reply 139):
Domestic: 2,256,021 = down 1.54%

Not bad at all, considering LGW disappeared in March.


User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7396 posts, RR: 14
Reply 141, posted (9 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 9404 times:
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Here's EY top 10 routes for 2013. Note the appearance of a certain secondary airport in the listing.


1. Bangkok
2. Manila
3. London
4. Jeddah
5. Paris
6. Manchester
7. Sydney
8. Frankfurt
9. Kuala Lumpur
10. Jakarta


Paris = 338969 passengers

I really do wonder what the rest of the world is thinking whenever we feature in a top 10 listing like this, and the inability of MAN to attract, in a timely manner, other carriers that have the potential to do equally as well to their own turf


User currently offlinelisbonbearuk From Portugal, joined Jan 2010, 439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 142, posted (9 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 9349 times:

It's not as simple as that, David. The Gulf carriers concentrate on volumes, particularly in Y, and as long as they are squirting passengers into one end of DXB, AUH or DOH and squirting them out in the shape of transit-shaped sausages, they are happy - that's what makes that league table not quite tye whole story...

For CX, TG, MH, CA, or whoever to find MAN an attractive proposition (which none of them have despite at least twice-yearly Manchester Evening News reports suggesting the contrary)' they need bums on very expensive seats and that market just isn't there to the Far East. Or South Africa, or South America or even California, for that matter.

[Edited 2014-01-12 11:30:08]

User currently offlineLuftyMatt From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2009, 428 posts, RR: 0
Reply 143, posted (9 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 9319 times:

Quoting david_itl (Reply 141):
Note the appearance of a certain secondary airport in the listing.

Very impressive.

Quoting david_itl (Reply 141):
really do wonder what the rest of the world is thinking whenever we feature in a top 10 listing like this, and the inability of MAN to attract, in a timely manner, other carriers that have the potential to do equally as well to their own turf

We can only hope, I would have thought a few carriers would be paying attention.



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User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7396 posts, RR: 14
Reply 144, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 8894 times:
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Back in the year dot someone posted this....

Quoting david_itl (Thread starter):
Posted Wed Aug 7 2013 19:12:14 your local time (5 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago)

You read right. SV have stated that in this article

"We have new destinations like Toronto and Los Angeles and we will operate to Manchester in Britain next year."

We finally have the official launch in the Manchester Evening News

Rashid Alajmi, general manager of passenger sales and services for the European region at Saudia Airlines said: “We are very happy that our plans to return to Manchester have now come to fruition, and that we are now able to offer north west customers a non-stop service to Saudi Arabia. Commercial ties between the north of England and Saudi Arabia have traditionally been very strong and this new service will give business customers in the region the opportunity to travel to Saudi Arabia without having to transfer en-route.”


User currently offlinecipango From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 642 posts, RR: 0
Reply 145, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 8508 times:

Ryanair are to open 4 new routes from MAN.

They will begin flying to Gran Canaria, Fuerteventura, Barcelona and Bologna.

As well as that they will increase frequency to Dublin, Ibiza, Lanzarote, Malaga and Tenerife.

A bit of good news for MAN!

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....-today-announced-open-four-6509282


User currently offlineMattuk From UK - England, joined Sep 2010, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 146, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 8292 times:

Quoting cipango (Reply 145):
Ryanair are to open 4 new routes from MAN.

They will begin flying to Gran Canaria, Fuerteventura, Barcelona and Bologna.

As well as that they will increase frequency to Dublin, Ibiza, Lanzarote, Malaga and Tenerife.

A bit of good news for MAN!

Does this mean another based aircraft at MAN, or are they cutting schedules elsewhere?


User currently offlineDanfearn77 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2008, 1813 posts, RR: 9
Reply 147, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8057 times:

It could possibly be two extra frames, taking it to 8 based....


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Reply 148, posted (9 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7749 times:
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It's been worked out that there's a net increase of 21 flights this summer = 1 more aircraft. MAD is also increased but there's 4 or 5 destinations that are having a frequency reduction.

User currently offlineMattuk From UK - England, joined Sep 2010, 102 posts, RR: 0
Reply 149, posted (9 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7649 times:

Quoting david_itl (Reply 148):
there's 4 or 5 destinations that are having a frequency reduction

Any ideas what they are?


User currently offlinelisbonbearuk From Portugal, joined Jan 2010, 439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 150, posted (9 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 7625 times:

Referring to an earlier post on attracting further long-haul services to Manchester, Air China today announced new services from Beijing to both Vienna and Barcelona and Shanghai to Munich.

One has to wonder why CA would choose Vienna and Barcelona over Manchester..l


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Reply 151, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7485 times:
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Quoting lisbonbearuk (Reply 150):
One has to wonder why CA would choose Vienna and Barcelona over Manchester..l

Was thinking much the same when a read that too !

So I understand Vienna a bit its a *A regional hub of sorts but Barca' lost its *A cred when Spannair folded and worse still a tag !

Combined with a Shanghai (Not a CA base !) - Munich service !

So heres thing thing hows about a PEK-MAN-DUB viz if the above is seen as viable and initially boardings seen to be weak for one stop services.

We already know Manchester alone has more than 127,000 annual boardings to mainland China and a further 140,000 to Hong Kong ( many going on to the mainland )

We have seen new service launched by Chinese carriers all over the world on similar or lower boarding numbers -Example Boston is recent months.

There really is something keeping the Chinese out of the UK and its almost certainly political in nature.

I read somewhere from an apologist that China- CAAC are primarily targeting domestic growth rather than international - Thinks that's utter rubbish myself what with evidence of new international services from one of the brands (used carefully given the 4 main carriers remain largely state owned !) almost every week.

In other news the Russian Aviation ministry and the UK are said to be working on a deal to allow a second British Carrier into Leningrad/Saint Petersburg with up to 7 weekly slot pairs - An opportunity for EasyJet one presumes.


User currently offlineGT4EZY From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2007, 1794 posts, RR: 3
Reply 152, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7462 times:

Quoting rutankrd (Reply 151):
In other news the Russian Aviation ministry and the UK are said to be working on a deal to allow a second British Carrier into Leningrad/Saint Petersburg with up to 7 weekly slot pairs - An opportunity for EasyJet one presumes.

EZY already announced it holds the rights.



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User currently offlinerutankrd From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 3017 posts, RR: 8
Reply 153, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 7459 times:
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Quoting GT4EZY (Reply 152):
Quoting rutankrd (Reply 151):
In other news the Russian Aviation ministry and the UK are said to be working on a deal to allow a second British Carrier into Leningrad/Saint Petersburg with up to 7 weekly slot pairs - An opportunity for EasyJet one presumes.

EZY already announced it holds the rights.

Was it yourself that said they had rights from Manchester however needed London before considering services.
I presume these are those London slots necessary for that decision to be moved forward.


User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7396 posts, RR: 14
Reply 154, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6992 times:
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Airport Group half-year profits up 80% to £168.3m with STN contribution making up the majority of the contribution.

We also have the usual wish-list detailed:

"Looking forward, MAG hailed the launch of US Airway's service to Charlotte, North Carolina, this summer, and said it was targeting services to China, India, Hong Kong and other parts of America 'in the medium-term.'"

Does look as though the "12 to 18 months " scenario seems to have been dropped...perhaps they've now realised that people are not stupid and can see the repeat listing year in and year out!


User currently offlinelisbonbearuk From Portugal, joined Jan 2010, 439 posts, RR: 0
Reply 155, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6789 times:

It's soooo boring to hear the same old rubbish regurgitating out of MAG HQ. change the record guys, no one wants to fly those routes from MAN.

User currently offlinedebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2445 posts, RR: 4
Reply 156, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6328 times:

As AirBlue will stop Lahore and Islamabad, will any other airline step into the gap? Or any other operational upgrades regarding PIA? What will happen to their beautiful A340's?

User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7396 posts, RR: 14
Reply 157, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 6014 times:
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FR to launch 4 weekly LIS-MAN services (operates late evening) and 2 weekly MAN-ZAD services.

Also LH revealed their MAN pax numbers for 2013 which were around the same as 2012 at just under 750,000....not too bad given they stopped Berlin. They also said that this year the LH Group will fly 114 times per week which is 16 flights a week more than at present?! 11% increase in capacity with "larger, newer aircraft" being used Business Desk article


User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7396 posts, RR: 14
Reply 158, posted (9 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5186 times:
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Couple of wind divs today: ETD41 due into DUB which is nightstopping, FR1555 (yep, our flight diverted back here from DUB) , EI403 (again from DUB) and PK775 which has just arrived after going round at LBA

Anyway, here's a chart showing the rise in EK's passenger numbers at MAN since 2002:



The "%age" column reflect the DXB route as a percentage of the LHR one, and the "difference" column puts that in numerical terms, with the last 2 columns showing how each route compared to the previous year.

Most of the decline of the LHR route can be attributed to the better rail offering but still, to have almost parity is amazing. Perhaps i should have included the QR & EY routes to see the effect of using those carriers to connect to Africa, Asia and Australasia instead of relying on those airlines who'd prefer you to route over LHR.


User currently offlineoly720man From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 6820 posts, RR: 11
Reply 159, posted (9 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5027 times:

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Plotted slightly differently because there isn't really any mathematical reasoning for having MAN-DXB pax as as fraction of MAN-LHR pax since they're unrelated quantities.




It's interesting to note that over a decade the total of pax MAN-LHR and MAN-DXB is pretty constant at around 1.4-1.5million (if you ignore the early 2000's)



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Reply 160, posted (9 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4969 times:

Air Canada Rouge direct flights to/from Manchester commence June 26, 2014.

http://www.aircanada.com/rouge/en/

As I fly Toronto/Manchester twice per years and friends/family also fly this route, more options are certainly welcomed.


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22 years ago today, it was "heavy metal day" at MAN:

19 x 747, 2 x Dc10, 1 x A310, 1 x 707 and 1 x Tu154 - all diverted in , in addition there was 1 x 747, 6 x 767, 2 x 757 & 3 Tu154 also noted by me.

All 20 747s were on the ground at the same time.


User currently offlinemainMAN From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2005, 2098 posts, RR: 5
Reply 162, posted (8 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 3455 times:

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19 x 747, 2 x Dc10, 1 x A310, 1 x 707 and 1 x Tu154 - all diverted in

Whose was the 707? An Air Zimbabwe LGW diversion by any chance?


User currently offlinedavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7396 posts, RR: 14
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It was Heavylift which parked Southside. It was the era of that kind of diversion session, with more based aircraft here it's now a case of 4 or 5 heavies and 6 or 7 smaller (dependent on the handler and if ops 3 maiden aunt's name twice removed is called Mavis)

TK1995 diverted up to EDI today - flew one approach then decided not to hang around.

[Edited 2014-02-08 08:57:46]

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