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Cathay Pacific To Announce New US Destination  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 26169 posts, RR: 50
Posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 36561 times:

According Cathay Pacific social media posting, they will be announcing service to a new US destination next week.

Per the visual hints they provided, the potential candidate cities are: Boston, Miami, Newark or Seattle.

However I think CX IT folks let the hat out of the bag with EWR already being a choice on their website with little company logo appearing next to it. Also CX previously internally has stated they were looking at EWR to supplement their JFK service.

Anyhow, lets wait for the formal announcement !


Twitter post:
https://twitter.com/cathaypacificUS/status/365246772735508483

Story:
http://goo.gl/nMLQC8

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User currently offlineMiami From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 2248 posts, RR: 53
Reply 1, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 36387 times:
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Estimated annual Hong Kong-Miami traffic at 144,000 passengers. Florida now has over 265,000 residents of Asian heritage. Asia-Miami O&D passenger traffic at nearly 350,000 annual passengers. Miami offers the best connecting opportunities for the Hong Kong-Latin America/Caribbean travellers now at over 100,000 passengers annually. 

I hope and pray it will be MIA.

-Miami   



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User currently offlinethekennady From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 36278 times:

Quoting Miami (Reply 1):

MIA sounds good but man thats a long flight, you are looking at over 17 hours and connections would be limted to mainly latin America. MIA is far from ideal to fly to asia when connections are availible at ORD, LAX, SFO, EWR, JFK and more.


User currently offlineAeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 36279 times:

Newark.

With SQ pulling out, CX is logical to go up against UA's hub with a nonstop that connects well to almost everywhere in Asia except Japan, S. Korea and Northern China.



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User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8862 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 36255 times:

Great to see Cathay opening a new route to the U.S.

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Also CX previously internally has stated they were looking at EWR to supplement their JFK service.

CX is also opening a cabin crew base in NYC...

Quoting Miami (Reply 1):
I hope and pray it will be MIA.

It would be awesome if CX launched MIA. However, CX may view SQ's exit from EWR as a catalyst to launch the HKG-EWR route.


User currently offlineMiami From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 2248 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 36178 times:
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Why would CX fly to Newark? When they already have flights to JFK. There is no need to fly to Newark when JFK is right around the corner. It's just a 45 minute drive, it's like from MIA to FLL


Quoting thekennady (Reply 2):

Maybe a bit shorter than 17 hours? Miami Heat had a charter from MIA-PVG in about 14 hours. So maybe 15-16 hours??

[Edited 2013-08-07 23:58:08]


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User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2146 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 36061 times:

This is one of the worst kept secrets. It will be Newark.


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User currently offlinevvbkumar From India, joined Jun 2008, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 36064 times:

I hope it is SEA. On similar lines, any chance of SQ or CX flying to SEA?

User currently offlinethekennady From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 36015 times:

Quoting Miami (Reply 5):

Ive seen the ORD-HKG route average over 15 hours before, 14.5 or so on HKG-ORD depending on winds. So MIA would be looking in the 17 to 17.5 range, thats a long flight. I wonder how many pax could connect from latin America, and If MIA itself could feel up the front of the plane. Id bet on a MIA-NRT before a MIA-HKG. That Miami heat charter was more than likely not as heavy as a fully loaded 773 with cargo, fuel, and Pax. MIA-HKG is a stretch but would be great to see.


User currently offlinethekennady From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 35845 times:

Quoting Miami (Reply 5):
Why would CX fly to Newark? When they already have flights to JFK. There is no need to fly to Newark when JFK is right around the corner. It's just a 45 minute drive, it's like from MIA to FLL

Just like Asking why do LY, LH, FI (soon), LX, KL, AI, Both serve JFK and EWR. NYC is a huge market with the worlds 2nd largest GDP. Its best to provide costumers with more options to fly out of more than one airport to avoid some delays, slot issues, and allows for people who live closer to particular airport to avoid traffic and transportation delays trying to travel on the ground across town to different airports. The NYC-HKG market is clearly there, and with the exit of SQ out of EWR, CX can capitalize on connections and O&D traffic through HKG.


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12598 posts, RR: 34
Reply 10, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 35655 times:

I'm surprised DFW isn't being mentioned, being a major base of its OW alliance partner, AA. Flying to DFW would also plug into AA's network from there to Florida.

User currently offlinelutfi From China, joined Sep 2000, 780 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 35587 times:

Almost certainly Newark

User currently offlineBOACCunard From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 864 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 35342 times:

Wow, it's rare to see such consensus on A.net! But of course EWR does make the most sense for reasons others have stated.

I think we'll see SEA-HKG soon enough, but on DL, not CX.

BOS doesn't strike me as plausible. Only recently has it had any service to Asia.

MIA is out of the question as a nonstop. At 8990mi it would be the longest scheduled nonstop ever except for SIN-EWR. Only three routes longer than 8600mi have ever been tried: SIN-EWR, SIN-LAX, and BKK-JFK. And all of them have been cancelled. MIA would have to be served via another city like YVR. But I really don't see why CX would have a burning need to serve MIA on its own metal in such a situation.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 10):
I'm surprised DFW isn't being mentioned, being a major base of its OW alliance partner, AA.

CX narrowed it down to BOS, SEA, MIA, and EWR in its social media posts. That notwithstanding, DFW is not entirely implausible. It's certainly far more plausible than MIA because it's much shorter, and I believe also more plausible than BOS because it's a hub for AA. I'd consider it less plausible than SEA, though.



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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5946 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 35287 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 10):
I'm surprised DFW isn't being mentioned

I wouldn't fall over with shock if AA *gasp* announced this route within the next 12 months. It seems to be the logical missing piece in their Asia strategy, and - frankly - I'm surprised that DFW-ICN came first.



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User currently offlinethekennady From United States of America, joined Nov 2008, 394 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 35090 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 13):
I wouldn't fall over with shock if AA *gasp* announced this route within the next 12 months. It seems to be the logical missing piece in their Asia strategy, and - frankly - I'm surprised that DFW-ICN came first.

It would have to be with a 772, and with DFW-HKG only being around 40 PDEW, where would the traffic come from? Besides Latin America, this route would be vying for the same connections as ORD/EWR/JFK, 2 which are one world hubs.


User currently offlinebehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4852 posts, RR: 44
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 34928 times:

As far as market sizes go in 2012, the demand from these potential new cities to/from HKG were as follows:

SEA 30,000
MIA 19,000
DFW 17,000
BOS 50,000
EWR 85,000 (JFK fyi was 300,000)

Other interesting secondary ones were as follows:

IAD 14,000
IAH 15,000
MCO 9,000
LAS 12,000
ATL 12,000


User currently onlineadamh8297 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 1066 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 34709 times:

Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 12):
BOS doesn't strike me as plausible. Only recently has it had any service to Asia.

There's lots of BOS-Asia traffic. The problem is BOS-HKG overflies a good portion of it.

It should be MIA but its too long of a route so I think it will be EWR


User currently offlinejcarv From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 366 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 34551 times:

As much as I'd like to see BOS be chosen, I don't think anything more than a B787 could be supported. The A350s are a couple years out too.

User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3451 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 34346 times:

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 16):
There's lots of BOS-Asia traffic

We already have JAL and Hainan announced on that route from Asia. Connecting at NRT is too much of an inconvenience. There is just a void out of EWR to HKG. UA runs a 77E on that route and they have to be leaving cargo in Newark when they do it. People from New Jersey don't like to drive to JFK (it is indeed more than 45 minutes in most traffic circumstances). Not sure if EWR is a great idea but the others sound less than ideal.

tortugamon


User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6642 posts, RR: 55
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 34313 times:

It will be EWR.

Quoting vvbkumar (Reply 7):
I hope it is SEA. On similar lines, any chance of SQ or CX flying to SEA?

When the A350s arrive yes....SEA is in the plans.


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8513 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 34022 times:
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Quoting Miami (Reply 5):
Why would CX fly to Newark? When they already have flights to JFK. There is no need to fly to Newark when JFK is right around the corner. It's just a 45 minute drive, it's like from MIA to FLL

It makes lots of sense for Cathay to fly to Newark since they do JFK already so often. The Europeans all fly to Newark and JFK so why not an Asian airline. Its always surprised me some of the Asian Star airlines do not fly to Newark to connect with Uited but some of these airline use UA's Terminal in Chicago. Miami is beyond the practical range of an 77W. SEA & BOS would be nice but do not have much feed from AA.


User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1259 posts, RR: 6
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 33843 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 10):
I'm surprised DFW isn't being mentioned, being a major base of its OW alliance partner, AA. Flying to DFW would also plug into AA's network from there to Florida.

I thought the same thing.



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6457 posts, RR: 38
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 33623 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
However I think CX IT folks let the hat out of the bag with EWR already being a choice on their website with little company logo appearing next to it. Also CX previously internally has stated they were looking at EWR to supplement their JFK service.

Didn't happen to see that on FT, did you?  
Quoting BOACCunard (Reply 12):
Wow, it's rare to see such consensus on A.net!

Only because it's been rumoured for at least a year now  



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User currently offlineFSDan From United States of America, joined Jan 2011, 759 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 33548 times:

After losing AF, AZ, LO, QR, BR, MH, and SQ (assuming they don't restart one-stop service from EWR) in the past 5 or so years, it would be good to see a new international tail at EWR.


SEA SFO SJC LAX ONT SAN DEN IAH DFW OMA FSD MSP MSN MKE ORD DTW CVG MEM JAN BHM RSW ATL CLT BWI PHL LGA JFK MEX LIM KEF
User currently onlineadamh8297 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 1066 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 33399 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 18):
We already have JAL and Hainan announced on that route from Asia.

Hainan is not official yet though I believe a PEK flight is more ideal for BOS Far East traffic than an HKG flight.
Think about how many times has QR spoke about DOH-BOS! This new CX US destination at least will be official!

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 20):
SEA & BOS would be nice but do not have much feed from AA.

Its not always about AA here.

SEA has feed from AS who has a partnership with CX
BOS has feed from B6 who has an interline agreement with CX


25 EWRandMDW : Why have service to FLL when MIA is right down I95? I'm sure that in SE Florida there are those who'll use FLL and avoid MIA at all costs. Same with
26 Post contains links zeke : Probably over a dozen cities in North America that could see direct services from HKG, however the company needs to look at what it can generate from
27 a380787 : It's nearly guaranteed it's EWR. Only question left is whether CX will deploy F or just J/Y+/Y.
28 CX flyboy : Not that it means anything really but the rest of the 77W deliveries for the remainder of the year to CX will all be 4-class planes including First C
29 a380787 : I know I'm digressing here, but I'd love to try out the new First seat on my upcoming HKG-JFK in Jan'14 (which is a bit too similar to the old First)
30 Post contains images behramjee : Go on CX's website and try making a booking for EWR...when u do so the CX logo appears besides this destination and it does not do so for BOS SEA MIA
31 seabosdca : CX's current long-haul fleet just doesn't work for low-volume destinations, or for ULH. EWR is the only destination that makes any sense at this point
32 LAXdude1023 : EWR was the obvious choice of the cities on the list. EWR has been rumored for ages. Kind of like ORD-BOG. Thats pretty much the exact same arguement
33 jayunited : Never going to happen first of all ORD-HKG is about 15 hour flight and during the winter months the flight can be almost 15:45 from wheels up to whee
34 a380787 : Except that KE is already on it, so even when you split it evenly between KE and AA, each side only gets 50 PDEW, which makes it a bit marginal.
35 Mah4546 : The A350-1000s on order could probably do MIAHKG.
36 LAXdude1023 : Its roughly the same size market as ORD-HKG which is a market that does well on two flights a day. AA and KE are going to be getting different things
37 a380787 : MIA-HKG is 8990mi. Easily 17 hours eastbound and up to 18 hours westbound. Can't imagine sitting in 31" 3-4-3 for that long without getting DVT.
38 STT757 : By air the distance between EWR and JFK and MIA and FLL are exactly the same, 21 miles. The difference being as the old AA commercial used to say "Ne
39 BoeingGuy : As much as I'd like to see CX at SEA, I just don't see it happening with CX's presence in YVR. They partner with AS for connecting SEA-YVR traffic (an
40 seabosdca : Not with a full passenger load westbound, let alone any cargo. Even assuming Airbus makes the goal of 8400 nm range, that's not quite enough for MIA-
41 mesaflyguy : 45 minutes? When was the last time you were up here? I can usually do the drive in 90 minutes on a good day. Bad days, which are more common than you
42 sq452 : This is such a dead giveaway, it's going to be EWR. If not EWR then SEA. They wouldn't be able to operate BOS economically (I'm sure they'd take paylo
43 adamh8297 : Is CX actually considering BOS within the next 5 years or so? This the first time I've seen the two linked together? BOS would definitely have ICN ser
44 sq452 : I'd assume it is on their radar for A350 service. Definitely I would think - They used to have KE service back in the day (but it stopped via IAD if
45 Mah4546 : Plus ~6,000 to Miami from FLL.
46 jfklganyc : Im going to go out there and pre maturely congratulate EWR on this great new service EWR has taken a lot of hits lately from foreign airline consolida
47 cha747 : What about PHL...with a new Oneworld hub imminent, wouldn't it make sense to connect all the Southeast/Mid-Atlantic traffic to HKG?
48 Post contains images blrsea : I was hoping CX would come to SEA! I hope they add SEA sooner than later ...
49 Mah4546 : That's what JFK does - with a local market something like 60x larger.
50 trex8 : I don't think its ATL but why couldn't CX run a HKG-ANC-ATL flight and really load up with cargo?? The self loading cargo would almost just be icing o
51 a380787 : I was talking about if AA ever launch that route. AA wants that route more than CX does.
52 luckyone : Use your own example. When I lived in Coral Gables I never used FLL because I'd have to drive right by MIA to get there, still having to deal with ei
53 sq452 : Then I would have to agree with your original comment; i wouldn't want to sit on AA for 17 hours straight! Are they using high density seating on the
54 trex8 : 10 across in regular economy
55 tripp7dfw : Honestly, the new 773 Y cabin (withstanding MCE) is quite comfortable with more than decent pitch. Wouldn't prefer to sit Y in any long haul flight,
56 sq452 : That's rough. Airlines these days are trying to cram in extra seats wherever they can; a particularly alarming trend on 777's and 787's where high-de
57 Post contains images N62NA : This is very good news (if true). If this keeps up, pretty soon there will be more flights that AA code shares on out of EWR than AA operates with the
58 Post contains images nickofatlanta : CX already flies freighters along a very similar routing.
59 BD338 : Dang....I was certain it is was going to be BZN
60 Post contains images Jonathanxxxx : No no thats ridiculous. Obviously MEM needed this, so much unserved demand!
61 Viscount724 : Much longer than 45 min. in rush hour traffic. Can you even do it in 45 min. in normal traffic? EWR is more convenient for millions of people, and th
62 Mah4546 : I've done downtown Miami to FLL in 20. It's not that far with no traffic.
63 steex : I believe he's referring to travel between EWR and JFK, not MIA and FLL.
64 oc2dc : I feel the same. CX is a great partner to have in HKG, with both sides having feed, it shouldn't be a problem filling the planes profitably. I Imagin
65 BoeingGuy : Yep, same with SJC to SFO. I can fly to SJC and my family can drive a quick 10 miles round trip to pick me up. If I had to fly into SFO, it would be
66 usairways85 : Maybe if US/AA generate much more traffic out of PHL and reach further into the catchment area of EWR, even then you're likely several years out. Not
67 CX flyboy : CX wants this route too, and all going according to plans, DFW should be our next North American passenger destination in the next couple of years un
68 adamh8297 : It could very well be - I always thought the route wouldn't be viable due to location of HKG but looking at 2011 traffic numbers for routes that CX c
69 anrec80 : SIN is much further to the south, and SQ was using all-J class 345 on the route. CX will likely get some of that J traffic (but not all of it), but a
70 Viscount724 : I guess my reply was ambiguous. I was referring to the driving time between JFK and EWR.
71 slcdeltarumd11 : Yeah plus there are millions of people in Connecticut, New York State, and North Eastern PA to which EWR is much easier to drive and much cheaper to
72 N62NA : Well it supports as much international service as it supports, which is much less than JFK. And as for premium service, most international flights ou
73 Post contains links LAXintl : Correction - AA wanted to do DFW-PEK, but due to the pilot union issues they had to launch China service from ORD-PEK instead. Unfortunately with all
74 hz747300 : I received a tweet this morning saying it would be SEA... Anything official besides the route map?
75 Post contains images uberflieger : 'AA wanted to serve DFW-HKG years ago, but the pilot contract didn't allow them to fly that long. Now that the contract has been settled, it is a non
76 Post contains images N62NA : Oh no! There will be more than a few people around here disappointed if it isn't EWR.
77 Post contains images Miami : There will be more than a few people around here disappointed if it isn't MIA
78 Post contains images vvbkumar : And a few (in minority though) would be Happy if it is SEA [Edited 2013-08-08 20:07:05]
79 wedgetail737 : I would love to see CX fly SEA with would likely be 777-200ER aircraft. However, does SEA really have the room? CX entering the SEA-HKG market would d
80 NZ107 : They have no 77Es. Only 772s.
81 Carpethead : They do have A343s. It's been ages since A343s flown to the US.
82 Post contains images blrsea : That would be wonderful if turns out to be true
83 CX flyboy : Considering I've seen flight numbers, times etc for EWR as well as heard it directly from the mouth of one of our senior managers, I would be more su
84 Post contains images Miami : Would you like to see MIA? What route do you want to see CX start? Probably the closest thing of seeing Cathay Pacific in Miami. Just Cargo. [Edited
85 oc2dc : I stand corrected. I don't know why I kept thinking it was DFW-HKG. . . Thanks for pointing that out. Is HKG-SEA big enough for 2 players? Perhaps it
86 sq452 : Where are you pulling the PDEW numbers from? It can be easily be supported with an A350 I reckon, virtually all of Southeast Asia will be able to be
87 airbazar : Geez, 80+ posts to debate something that was pretty much annouced last year. LOL It's going to be EWR. And a lot doesn't. 50,000 annualy without a non
88 Post contains links adamh8297 : Its 2011 MIDT fortunately made available to the general public here: http://www.brookings.edu/research/interactives/aviation The only limitation is t
89 airbazar : I hope you mean r/t since PVG-HKG is less than 700nm. It's basically as bad as flying to Asia via IAD. The connection time at a US airport alone, esp
90 mesaflyguy : Except the people in EWR actually had a shot at it to begin with.
91 Post contains links adamh8297 : No its one way. Remember when you fly to HKG you are going further South than PVG and then have to go back North if connecting to there! http://www.g
92 Mah4546 : Cathay has been taking a very serious look at flying to Miami via a third city point. It's Newark, but Cathay to Miami in the future shouldn't come a
93 wedgetail737 : I kinda figured SEA would be a long-shot, even if did have about a 20% chance amongst the other cities listed. If MIA is truly in their scopes, they
94 Post contains links and images Miami : Yes, I'm quite familiar with them. Swire Properties is the developer of Brickell CityCentre located in Miami which is currently under construction. R
95 airbazar : Wouldn't it make more sense to have AA fly the route with a 787? They start getting them at the end of next year. MIA could be a nice 787 base since
96 Viscount724 : According to the CX website, Swire only owns 44.97% of CX.
97 behramjee : I would suggest MIA via Tokyo or Calgary only. NRT-MIA is 11,500KM nonstop so easily do able with a B77W + it allows the possibility of JAL too code
98 Post contains images Miami : Japan-Florida O&D passenger traffic ranges between 118,000 and 143,000 annual passengers with 163,000 to 205,000 overall passengers. Miami offers
99 CX711 : What is the likelihood of switching the HKG-YVR-JFK to HKG-YVR-MIA or BOS? That way, CX may be able to fill up p a 77W. I remember JFK was first acces
100 BOACCunard : It seems logical to me that CX might consider replacing HKG-YVR-JFK with HKG-YVR-MIA. BOS doesn't make as much sense to me, since BOS is close enough
101 behramjee : I disagree for the following reasons: 1. CX has built the YVR-JFK route over a number of years and they get good 5th freedom traffic on this sector a
102 chrisnh : I'd flip a coin between Newark and Seattle, then Boston a distant third...and Miami close behind. Actually, you could interchange MIA/BOS on this list
103 jfklganyc : They're not going anywhere on the JFK-YVR route. They have been serving that route forever and a day. And YVR is home to huge population from Hong Kon
104 Post contains images Miami : I said Japan AND Florida. Not MIA/FLL. My source comes from someone at MIA. More specific the former director. Now, I'm not sure how accurate it is,
105 BOACCunard : Excellent points. I knew CX did well on JFK-YVR, but I didn't realize it did that well.
106 Mah4546 : He never said Miami-Japan. He said Florida-Japan. Again, you are forgetting FLL. MIAYVR is ~90,000 (single largest U.S.-Canada market without a non-s
107 Post contains images Miami : There is a lot of people always criticizing MIA. Like they want to see MIA fail for some reason We all understand and know MIA isn't the greatest mar
108 Viscount724 : Their schedule isn't ideal for the local market with the eastbound red-eye and wesbound arriving around 1 AM. Passengers also have to contend with JF
109 CPA62 : SEA is not even on CX's radar, there is little Asian support for Seattle, however Newark is. This is what we are being told in YVR?
110 seabosdca : Depends on where. To NRT, sure. That is well within 787 range and would be a perfect 787 route. But to southern China or SE Asia, it's so far that yo
111 Post contains images Miami : I agree with you 100% Like Mah4546 said YVR-MIA is the single largest U.S.-Canada market without a non-stop. Also, I believe CX does HKG-YVR-JFK. -Mi
112 AeroWesty : Miami is beginning to become to airports what the Boeing 767-400 is to aircraft around here. Let it go, no one wants either to fail.
113 Post contains images Miami : How do you do?
114 A388 : Why would MIA be the option to connections to Latin America when Brazil has several Asian airlines already flying there? Brazil probably is the only c
115 Post contains images airbazar : From what I hear, transiting at GRU is even worse I'll use GRU because it is the one airport already served by those few Asian carriers. For one, MIA
116 adamh8297 : MIA would be another option just as DXB and DOH can be options but it has a lot going for it. As we all know, MIA serves an excellent portfoilo of La
117 trex8 : But would CX be allowed traffic rights for YVR-MIA??
118 A388 : The Middle East indeed is a better option for the deeper south American destinations and Emirates, Qatar and Etihad will expand more in South America
119 wedgetail737 : As much as I believe you, your statement kind of contradicts the topic of the original poster. SEA apparently was one of 5 finalists. So, yes, SEA wa
120 Miami : They were allowed to for JFK. So why not MIA?
121 Viscount724 : Not sure how liberal the Canada-Hong Kong bilateral is now. At one time I think CX was restricted to only one 5th freedom tag-on destination beyond Y
122 LAXintl : Please don't read that posting 4 pictures on a website as being equivilent to some actual analysis. One of my client airlines regularly does a simila
123 staralliance85 : It is going to be EWR. There is a huge demand from the NYC area to HKG. I think it will be great because living in NJ I much prefer to go to EWR over
124 wedgetail737 : I would have to admit that it would be totally awesome if CX really did announce service to SEA.
125 CX flyboy : Actually not true. There was a presentation last year listing potential new longhaul cities they are looking at and SEA was one of them.
126 CX711 : Does anyone know what rights CX has to operate flights within US? Can it fly HKG-EWR-MIA and carry passengers flying from EWR to MIA? Also ORD seems t
127 airbazar : No foreign airline can sell tickets to carry passengers within the U.S. QF flies between LAX and JFK but all the passengers on that segment must orig
128 LJ : Which makes you think why CX would be in such a market if AA and AC (or any other airline) don't see any profit in this market.
129 jfk777 : IF Cathay was going to fly to Miami they would be wise to consider flying via Europe. Miami to Hong Kong Nonstop would be a challenge and stopping in
130 Post contains images ASA : I'm surprised too that no one's talking about PHL ... the upcoming OneWorld mega hub! Other than the NYC area ... PHL is probably best positioned to
131 zeke : I would think if they had time in the schedule, a YYZ-MIA or YVR-MIA tag may be the way to move forward. I do not think the US DOT would ever allow C
132 wedgetail737 : They could but they would not be able to carry revenue pax within the US due to Cabotage laws...not even code share. It would be like LAX-JFK on QF.
133 airdfw : Why can't AA or CX do the MIA-HKG or DFW-HKG through ANC (for a fuel stop), I mean with these ULH pairs, it would make sense to do a fuel stop, right?
134 trex8 : For one thing there are US airlines flying JFK-YVR, if they got YVR-MIA rights there is no US (or canadian) competition.
135 a380787 : why not just kill 2 birds at once by having CX launch HKG-NRT-MIA ?
136 CX flyboy : Correct. Thats why they said they were waiting to send the A350 there.
137 mdavies06 : I wonder whether CX will launch EWR by adding an extra daily frequency on top of the current 4x to JFK or would they transfer one of their existing fl
138 staralliance85 : I really think DL should add JFK-HKG. They only have JFK-NRT and they rely on NRT for transfers in Asia. With UA having many non stops in Asia, I thi
139 usairways85 : Currently PHL has an extremely small local market and probably loses a bunch to EWR. Also no one knows what role PHL will play in the domestic and in
140 wedgetail737 : I have doubts that the A350 is the correct-sized aircraft for SEA-HKG. The smaller Dreamliners would be more appropriate.
141 flyinghippo : CX won't consider PHL b/c it doesn't have a big enough O/D market. If for connections to the eastern seaboard that's not served by JFK, CX already fl
142 airbazar : That depends. Is the problem lack of passenger demand? Is it low yields? Is it cargo? If the problem is low yields but there's enough demand for both
143 CX Flyboy : The A350-900 isn't exactly a huge aircraft. Don't forget who CX are and what we operate. Our 'smallest' plane is an A340. With a bit of cargo and pas
144 wedgetail737 : I suppose it could. But, again, I would definitely be surprised.
145 BOACCunard : I'm a bit surprised at how skeptical many seem to be about SEA. I personally think DL is more likely to do it first. I don't know whether or not that
146 cha747 : So have you been to Philadelphia's Chinatown or South Philly? The O & D for SE Asia connections are ginormous! The problem is that JFK has comman
147 cipango : Does anyone know when the official announcement will be?
148 Mah4546 : Flight is loaded in GDS and bookable as of one hour ago.
149 Post contains links legacyins : Daily 3-class 77W to EWR from 01MAR14. CX890 HKG1700 - 2100EWR 77W D CX899 EWR0150 - 0540+1HKG 77W D http://airlineroute.net/2013/08/13/cx-ewr-mar14/
150 crAAzy : Wow ... three class only. It this the only US flight where CX won't have F? While it's wasn't a big secret and it's not the most exciting route given
151 AF185 : I am surprised no F, since EWR will be quite business O&D oriented for CX...
152 hz747300 : Boring... Seattle would have been better for me (yes, it is all about me--actually HKG-PHX would be much, much better), this route was already done on
153 a380787 : just as I initially suspected, CX reserving F only for JFK side
154 AA767LOVER : Yeah, EWR gets no respect. I would have not have entirely ruled out BOS as there is quite a sizable Chinese population - BE SPECIFIC - not just Asian,
155 fun2fly : Replacing one of the JFK flights or in addition to? Any JFK gauge changes as a result? If it is an addtitional NYC flight, that's pretty impressive w
156 NZ107 : Additional. No JFK flights are changing.
157 stlgph : and the destination is ........ Newark oops already above. nonetheless, nice addition to EWR[Edited 2013-08-13 05:58:59]
158 adamh8297 : You could probably make a case to try a YVR tag-on for either BOS or MIA. YYZ would be a waste of a stop for an already well served market.
159 LAXintl : NYC - HKG sure going to be a busy market. Between CX and UA, there will be 5 nonstops plus the 1 YVR one-stop
160 flyinghippo : Yes - I own a property there. It's peanuts when comparing to the Asian population in the tri-state area. Having a decent Asian population there is on
161 Post contains images chrisnh : Lots of deserved caterwauling about Newark winning this 'contest,' which had to be the most underwhelming outcome of all. A week-long contest is the r
162 N62NA : To all of the above I quoted. This is just another example of how EWR is NOT a "premium airport" despite what a contingent on here argues. It simply
163 wedgetail737 : Actually yes...it probably would be significantly cheaper than YVR, considering all of the taxes the Canadians have to pay just of fly from point A t
164 airbazar : Most businesses do not allow F class. It makes sense.
165 STT757 : Because most businesses use business class?.. SQ's EWR-SIN flight, which this sort of replaces, was all business class. Openskies which operates from
166 a380787 : Not just NJ - F is a rare dying breed Between NYC (largest city in north america) and Tokyo (largest city in the world), we have (in terms of F seats
167 N62NA : I'm sorry (for those that don't live in the NYC area and are not familiar with the market). I should have been more explicit. New Jersey has some of
168 a380787 : AA is also planning to cut F from their entire 772ER fleet when refurbs are scheduled, which will be many of their European and Latin American servic
169 airbazar : It may very well be the case but they're not paying for it or there would be more than this: Way too few F class seats even from JFK. I think CX know
170 N62NA : AA is using the 77W on JFK-LHR and JFK-GRU, so F will remain on those important international routes and likely will expand use of the 77W out of JFK
171 flyinghippo : But I consider CX's J class a step above UA's J class, so people flying out of EWR to HKG will have a second (better, IMHO) premium service to choose
172 N62NA : No doubt it is an improvement over what EWR users had to choose from. But why does the airport serving the western half of the NYC metro area not rat
173 zeke : If they can fill the seats they will be offered, if not, they will not be offered. CX is not a charity, it cannot put on F class seats with the hope
174 flythere : DFW would be the next one on CX's plan I would assume. Yes, you got the point! Not just SQ but also BR moving to JFK and MH withdrawn from US. Very we
175 DolphinAir747 : Wow, a great addition to EWR! Maybe we should consider changing the title of this thread or creating a new one.
176 STT757 : Indeed, EWR has had an interesting history with Asian carriers: Singapore Air (mid '90s to present) Started out with a daily 744 via AMS to SIN, late
177 wedgetail737 : This route was through SEA, not YVR.
178 EWRandMDW : I think this flight made a technical stop in ANC. To my knowledge, KE has never served BOS.
179 adamh8297 : Though the BOS Seoul fight was this triangle route SEL-BOS-IAD-SEL
180 N62NA : And where is the evidence that CX hasn't got enough paid F pax on EWR-HKG? They didn't even attempt EWR with an F cabin!
181 superjeff : Very true, especially since CX has some freight service at DFW, and since Qantas' route to BNE/SYD has been very successful.
182 tsnamm : I think a big question is how will this affect UA's EWR/HKG service?Could possibly become a 787 market perhaps?
183 STT757 : UA will eventually deploy either the 787-9 or A350-1000 on EWR-HKG.
184 tsnamm : or bail out entirely ala EWR/IST?
185 STT757 : They, through CO, have been on the route for 15 years. I think Hong Kong is more important to UA than IST which didn't last a year.
186 fun2fly : I thought there was discussion of 2x daily when the 788's came online in the CO years due to BF demand. Probably a good example of where the delay of
187 STT757 : Not just the fuel savings, the passengers will benefit from higher humidity, lower pressure and noise. That should help after 16 hours.
188 CX Flyboy : There is actually considerable market research done prior to launching a flight. Airlines like Cathay do not just "try it and see". They have determi
189 N62NA : Thanks for the reply, though it is sad that EWRt is the only airport served by CX in the USA that doesn't rate a First Class cabin.
190 RyanairGuru : To be fair, most of the outbound premium traffic from New Jersey will probably fly UA due to being locked in through MileagePlus, corporate contracts
191 jfkgig : I recall being on a KE flight around 2001 that went EWR-ORD-SEL.
192 a380787 : If CX ever opens up HKG-SEA, you can bet your car and house that it won't have F either. The F traffic of NJ (i'm guessing the pharmaceuticals) aren'
193 Post contains images anrec80 : When a pax wants Y fare to NYC for $20 less, don't underestimate their ability to realize that.
194 Post contains links flightsimboy : It's EWR.... The official announcement is on their website Posted here http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...eneral_aviation/read.main/5851257/
195 LAXintl : Yes, welcome to the party. This was announced already one-week ago... See discussions above..
196 Post contains images flightsimboy : A bit of a late arrival to the party...I had been following it and looks like I fell of the bus lol.....well EWR it is
197 BOACCunard : Meanwhile, DL has announced SEA-HKG. Of course, it is on an A332 which is considerably smaller than anything CX has or probably ever will have.
198 STT757 : If CX wants to open up HKG-SEA I don't think DL would slow their plans down.
199 Viscount724 : But not much smaller in total seats compared to CX longhaul 3-class A333s which Seatguru shows have 242 seats. DL A332s have either 239 (old configur
200 psa1011 : Why is that?
201 Viscount724 : Don't think the A333 has enough range for a 5,648 nm nonstop, especially with often very strong transpacific headwinds on the westbound trip. It's ev
202 BOStonsox : It's a shame it's not BOS, but if HU gets approval, that's good enough for me. And if B6 goes to OneWorld, maybe we'll see them here down the road as
203 BOACCunard : I didn't necessarily mean to suggest that... My comment was more aimed at those who seem to think SEA-HKG wouldn't be a viable market for any carrier
204 STT757 : It remains to be seen if SEA-HKG is a viable route, it's been tried a couple times before by UA and NWA. What I'm pretty sure of though is that it's
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