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787 Dimmable Window And The Sun  
User currently offlineduncan16 From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 20 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 33630 times:

I've not yet been able to fly the 787 and am curious about something I've not seen discussed here. Pax can still see out the dimmable window even in its darkest setting - what does the sun look like through it, and how is the experience? I've seen photos and videos of the window in its darkest setting, but never with the sun coming through - has anyone else?

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User currently offlinehotplane From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 33570 times:

It's still too bright to look at despite appearing darker and greener! Windows also get very hot.

User currently onlineB6JFKH81 From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 2900 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 33536 times:

Found this using a quick google search:




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User currently offlinedavidho1985 From Hong Kong, joined Oct 2012, 376 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 33472 times:

Almost at the darkest setting:


The sun is coming from the left hand side (seat A)


And actually the cabin can become completely dark (look at the Business Class cabin at the very front of the plane)


User currently offlinekiffy From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 33406 times:
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Take a look through this trip report:

United 787 Domestic First: Houston To Chicago (by IrishAyes Jun 19 2013 in Trip Reports)


User currently offlineHeeseokKoo From South Korea, joined Jan 2005, 654 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 33106 times:

Quoting davidho1985 (Reply 3):
And actually the cabin can become completely dark (look at the Business Class cabin at the very front of the plane)

I heard some airlines offers additional stuff to completely cover windows on business class. JAL international flight is one of them, but I cannot tell which airline is in your picture. Anyway, that would explain the dark business class in the picture.


User currently offlinekiffy From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 32845 times:
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Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 5):
I cannot tell which airline is in your picture.

China Southern Airlines


User currently offlineMSPNWA From United States of America, joined Apr 2009, 1993 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 32847 times:

It's pretty neat to sit on the sun side. I was able to dim the sun enough so that it wasn't blinding, but I was still able to see things outside. Very cool. It made window shades seem prehistoric.

User currently offlineL0VE2FLY From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 1630 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 31717 times:

Electronic dimming is the only feature I don't like about the 787, I hope it'll be optional on the A350 and won't become popular on future airliners. I always book a window seat and want to have full control over my window and this technology makes it possible for the cabin crew to override the pax.

At the darkest setting the glare is cut sufficiently, I think nervous flyers who want to see absolutely nothing out the huge 787's windows are the folks complaining the most.


User currently offlinen797mx From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 31221 times:

When I was on the 787 back in November I thought the shades were a nice novelty, but completely useless. They let in way too much light, made everything green, and those who don't want to look out the window will be terrified. Not to mention the thing got so bloody hot that you couldn't stand being next to it for more than a few minutes when dimmed.

You can compare the Completely dimmed right side to the all clear left side in this photo I took of it.


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Photo © Jordan E. Skok




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User currently offlinemacsog6 From Singapore, joined Jan 2010, 535 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 30447 times:
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Quoting HeeseokKoo (Reply 5):
JAL international flight is one of them,

I've flown on JL's 787 between SIN and either NRT or HND several times and never been offered anything to cover the window. I find the new method to be much more pleasant than the old window shade which was "off-on" process. Dimmable makes so much more sense and is quite enjoyable to me. But to each his own, some folks would still be flying with piston engines if they could.



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User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4747 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 30315 times:

Seems like a silly gimmick.


Technology for technologies sake which doesnt work as well as a simple pull down shade.


I would find sitting next to a very hot window that I couldn't completely block the light out with very annoying.



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User currently offlinehorstroad From Germany, joined Apr 2010, 277 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 30200 times:

do these windows only block (dim) visible light or also UV light so that there is no danger when directly looking at the sun?

User currently offlinedfambro From United States of America, joined Nov 2009, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 30020 times:

I love the dimmable feature. I don't want to be "that guy" with the open shade, sun pouring in, when others are trying to sleep on the long haul USA-to-Asia flight. It's rude and awkward. These windows solve that problem.

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21796 posts, RR: 55
Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 29907 times:

Quoting n797mx (Reply 9):
Not to mention the thing got so bloody hot that you couldn't stand being next to it for more than a few minutes when dimmed.

That's a real problem if the flight is eight or ten hours long.

-Mir



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User currently offlinebristolflyer From United Kingdom, joined May 2004, 2309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 29817 times:

Quoting dfambro (Reply 13):
I don't want to be "that guy" with the open shade, sun pouring in, when others are trying to sleep on the long haul USA-to-Asia flight. It's rude and awkward. These windows solve that problem.

What is that problem exactly?

[Edited 2013-08-08 19:21:07]


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User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8465 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 29622 times:

Quoting bristolflyer (Reply 15):
What is that problem exactly?

Seeing outside while not letting in much light.


User currently offlineMax Q From United States of America, joined May 2001, 4747 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 28481 times:

Quoting dfambro (Reply 13):


I love the dimmable feature. I don't want to be "that guy" with the open shade, sun pouring in, when others are trying to sleep on the long haul USA-to-Asia flight. It's rude and awkward. These windows solve that problem.

You know, they do put those windows in for a reason. Some of us still like to look outside. Besides a simple shade is far more effective and much more reliable.



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User currently offlineTJCAB From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 335 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 27536 times:

Quoting horstroad (Reply 12):
do these windows only block (dim) visible light or also UV light so that there is no danger when directly looking at the sun?

I would imagine that all car/aircraft windows have UV protection. My eyeglasses never darken when traveling by air or driving. Just a guess...


User currently offlineLZ129 From Germany, joined Feb 2013, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 27448 times:

Quoting L0VE2FLY (Reply 8):
I think nervous flyers who want to see absolutely nothing out the huge 787's windows are the folks complaining the most.

That's something I never understood. Why on earth would anybody book a window seat if they are afraid to look outside the window? Same goes for people who book a window seat and then never look outside but spend the whole flight playing with their ipad. It doesn't begin to make sense. If you don't like the window, the window seat is the worst seat possible on a plane.
I myself always try to get a window seat and when I have one, I use it. I gaze out of the window and enjoy the fact that I'm living a millenia old dream of humanity. That is if not all the window seats were already booked by a guy who's more interested in last week's football results...   

Quoting Max Q (Reply 17):
Some of us still like to look outside.

  


User currently offlineautothrust From Switzerland, joined Jun 2006, 1603 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 27412 times:

Quoting L0VE2FLY (Reply 8):
Electronic dimming is the only feature I don't like about the 787, I hope it'll be optional on the A350

It will be optional on the A350XWB. Even then they would use the newer faster second geneartion dimming electrochromic shades.



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User currently offlineAirbusA6 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 2022 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 26531 times:

Quoting LZ129 (Reply 19):
That's something I never understood. Why on earth would anybody book a window seat if they are afraid to look outside the window? Same goes for people who book a window seat and then never look outside but spend the whole flight playing with their ipad. It doesn't begin to make sense. If you don't like the window, the window seat is the worst seat possible on a plane.

Many people like the window seat as it's more private for sleeping, you can lean on the wall and not be disturbed by people getting up to go to the bathroom.



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User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3081 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 25976 times:

Quoting Max Q (Reply 17):
You know, they do put those windows in for a reason. Some of us still like to look outside. Besides a simple shade is far more effective and much more reliable.

Asian carriers are especially prone to have passengers close their shades to allow others to sleep. There are times, where I want to look out, but the cabin is near black, and even opening it a crack makes a huge difference in the cabin. So, out of respect, I choose not to open the window. Likewise, there are times where I try to sleep and another passenger decides to open his window and makes it difficult for many others, I consider this inconsiderate.

So in my case, I welcome the electronically dimmed windows, even if cabin crew take control and dim it themselves. It allows me and others to see out without disturbing others. It's not perfectly dark, and it's not perfect visibility, but a generally good compromise for both sides (IMO).

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineshengzhurou From China, joined May 2010, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 25215 times:

pictures taken, with the window dimming setting medium dark, onboard a trans pacific flight with united

http://www.airliners.net/uf/view.fil...?id=122339&filename=phpbCktse.jpeg

[Edited 2013-08-09 04:20:58]



personally , it is not dark enough for me


[Edited 2013-08-09 04:22:30]


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User currently offlinebikerthai From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 2170 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 23926 times:

Quoting TJCAB (Reply 18):

I would imagine that all car/aircraft windows have UV protection.

Yes, most if not all plastic components on an aircraft are coated or painted to protect it from UV light.
These windows have clear plastic layer that would have UV protection (or inherently block UV) both for the part and the passengers.

bt



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25 gulfstream650 : After reading this topic, I will probably avoid the 787 for trans-Atlantic East bound flights, especially during the summer. A darker cabin helps you
26 angmoh : Even ordinary glass blocks UV for a large extend. UV is around 400nm to around 100nm wavelength and most types of class do hardly transmit anything b
27 ATA L1011 : How much weight savings is gained by this feature vs shades?
28 msp747 : But if you leave a window shade open when others may be trying to sleep, isn't that more of a distraction than a dimming shade that may not get 100%
29 evomutant : It's not like it is new technology. Electrochromic glass has been around for a long time. It's just new to airliners.
30 Post contains images garpd : This is precisely the observation some friends of mine have made on their ANA and JAL flights on the 787. Lucky swines have flown the 787 23 times so
31 msp747 : My point is that Boeing is going to improve their offering, they are not going to sit back and let Airbus "one-up" them, especially on a technology t
32 kasimir : I didn't fly on the 787 yet, but I kind of like the dimming feature, but it should compliment the shades not replace them IMO Why? Sometimes the sun i
33 seabosdca : The shade is not more reliable. Far easier for a passenger to break it than to break the electrochromic glass.
34 by738 : But far easier and cheaper to fix at an outstation...
35 klmd11l : It's not always "that guy" to blame, some airlines try to keep pax asleep for as long as possible to minimize their demands and cut costs.
36 Max Q : Ok, i'm a dork. Like I said those windows were put in for a reason. I you want to look out no one should stop you. Imho if you are sitting next to on
37 Post contains images L0VE2FLY : Some folks don't reserve their seats at the time of booking and can't always get their preferred seats when they check in, also some airlines charge
38 Viscount724 : Does anybody know how the cost of the 787 windows and related electronics etc. compares with standard windows and windowshades? And do they require mo
39 Post contains links and images EmiratesEK231 : Honestly, I don't think he had any merit or factual evidence behind his statement. He was just assuming that Airbus would have better technology beca
40 Post contains images seabosdca : An IFE screen is a very complicated piece of equipment. A piece of electrochromic glass with a dimming switch is exceedingly simple. This will be one
41 L0VE2FLY : If you want to sleep and a few windows out of dozens are open you put on an eye mask, problem solved! If I want to look out the window I don't have a
42 DTW2HYD : Hopefully Boeing will go back to plastic shades. I don't think electronic tinting adds any value other than additional electric components, hence fire
43 tcfc424 : I always hate when I don't get a window seat and am seated next to someone who immediately closes the shade and leaves it there for the duration of th
44 DTW2HYD : If Boeing wants to beat them, they should have electronic tinting with plastic shades. Granted for those who are sensitive to light eye mask is a bet
45 seabosdca : Yes. It still blocks a lot of cabin heating, at least as much so as shades (which leave a gap of cabin air that gets super-hot between the shade and
46 Loran : Having flown ANA's NH204 (FRA-HND) service twice in June and July where there is light almost along the entire route over norhtern Siberia, I observed
47 Max Q : If windows bother you so much you could take a train, or, failing that, bring some eyeshades. I think it's disrespectful to attempt to deny someone lo
48 BA677 : Totally agree you are a paying passenger and you have a right to look out of the window. If you want to sleep bring an eye shade. Just an idea, why d
49 AA777 : I disagree. There's no need to open the window and see nothing but GLARING SUN, when people could eek out another hour or even two of sleep before la
50 Tigerguy : As has been said above, it just boils down to common courtesy. I'm one of those people who likes sitting in the window seat and will raise the shade s
51 Post contains images alfa164 : There is a reasonable expectation that - on a transoceanic flight, or on any long overland flight - passengers should be able to get enough sleep to
52 YYZatcboy : Yeah cause no one gets claustrophobic and really needs to see outside to avoid anxiety or stress... IMO there is a special place in hell for people w
53 Qfflyer : Why is your right to sleep more important that my right to look out of the window, or to use natural light to stay awake to avoid jet lag [or get int
54 reality : Seems like the perfect solution. Solves both sides of the issue--those who want to sleep in relative darkness can, those who want to look out the win
55 EmiratesEK231 : The FACT that virtually every airline in the world who operates flights that are long haul, does something tantamount to forcing all passengers to cl
56 YYZatcboy : So your position is that people who are legitimately claustrophobic and need the view outside to be able to fly have essentially no right to travel a
57 airnorth : OK I'll chime in. Personally I can't wait to try the dimmable windows. It drives me crazy when people close the shutters! My last flight I was stuck i
58 Max Q : Very well said. Couldn't agree more !
59 sassiciai : The situation on long haul is not black and white (pun intended!) Such flights have a sequence of phases. After take off and climb, there is a drinks
60 alfa164 : No... it is my position that rude, self-centered, inconsiderate people should all just stay home. Your whining aside, when one person decides to make
61 BA677 : I personally will try to fly a 787 if I can. There is a lot more to see outside than clouds and sun. As I said before I have a right to see out side s
62 by738 : one of the Thomson 787s has cracks in their photofilms after only 3 weeks of service
63 neutrino : He won't have much of a choice in this on a 787 and other planes that will adopt similar windows. Read:-
64 Bacon907 : I believe that the reason people consider it selfish and inconsiderate is because you are one person. When you rudely leave the window wide open for t
65 tonystan : As a crew member here's my opinion! If the flight is a scheduled daylight flight (eg, east to west operated in daylight hours for both origin and dest
66 type-rated : Once upon a time I got an aisle seat on a NW 727. The flight was full. There was a girl about 18 years old in the window seat in my row. At the gate
67 DTW2HYD : You should have told her you control entry/exit to her seat.
68 TheRedBaron : Yes and one more way Boeing is reinventing the wheel. Even if they save 200 kilos, that weight could be saved elsewhere... Me me me, the typical egoc
69 EmiratesEK231 : You sound like a dense drama queen, intent on trying to twist other peoples words to make a point you never really had. Practically everyone you quot
70 tugger : And that is where exactly? Seriously, where? Since you know so much... I would think that the fact that your mother did not teach you common courtesy
71 Post contains links TheRedBaron : What would you have done with the kids on the flight I had, I ask this because you clearly have not comprehension of the point I was trying to make.
72 angmoh : I don't know where this tread is going... A big difference is the type of flight you talk about. US Transcontinental, within Asia, within Europe this
73 AA777 : LOL, Its called common courtesy... And just for your information, If I had it my way, I would probably have the window open more than the average pas
74 alfa164 : And you are calling someone else a "prima donna"???
75 cosyr : I just came back from NRT when the sun rose 3-4 hours before landing. Every window in the front J cabin was dimmed as dark as they go, and the cabin w
76 Max Q : Unbelievable, I think the only way some of the posters could be happy is if they stayed home with all the curtains closed in a dark room with endless
77 KELPkid : Is that from the electronics, or the dimmed window absorbing solar heat?
78 lightsaber : I read every post. My thoughts at the end is there should be shades, but I like the feature to keep out the brightest light so others can sleep. You'r
79 Post contains images BA677 : Welcome to my brand new respected list. lol
80 tonystan : This thread has really descended into a childish mud sling! People, have some respect!
81 XT6Wagon : In response to feedback, the later 787s have a darker max tint than the early planes delivered to the japanese airlines.
82 Post contains images QFFlyer : Thank you for telling me about my body ....obviously you know it better than I do..... I travel enough to know what what works for me and what doesn'
83 scbriml : What surprises me about this is that this issue wasn't picked up in time for it to be implemented on the first customer deliveries.
84 dc9northwest : Interesting that people are fighting about window shades up/down when the idea of the thread is how much better it is to satisfy both parties by havin
85 cosyr : This was the plane's 3rd ever flight last week, so that is the newest 787 for UA, and would have the latest windows. If it was ever more transparent
86 DTW2HYD : Was there any weight reduction with eTint or does it add more weight. My gut feeling all the cables and switches actually add weight.
87 Tigerguy : I suppose it depends on how you look at it. I haven't seen any numbers, but let's assume the new system added weight over just shades. Then factor in
88 TheRedBaron : I think you have a valid point, maybe its not he best out there but its a good compromise, now, since I havent flown in a 787 yet where are the switc
89 Post contains links Tigerguy : Directly below the window. http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d6...evergreen/Dreamstrike/DSC00332.jpg
90 Mir : Except if the windows get hotter than they otherwise would, as was mentioned at the beginning of the thread. I've got no problem with the principle o
91 TheRedBaron : Another thing that children will use and abuse, to the dismay of some fellow A neters.... TRB
92 Post contains images L0VE2FLY : That's my point, it may not be too complicated, but it's certainly much more complicated the the good old fashioned shades and I'm pretty sure it'll
93 seabosdca : Incorrect. In both cases, the only threat to the system is passenger abuse. If a passenger abuses a shade, the whole shade has to be replaced, not a
94 ECAMActions : what will happen in 20 years when airlines are back in the red and these 787 get older and these window things start to break? It will be much more ex
95 Max Q : Yes I think these windows are going to be a real problem for Boeing, and for the life of the Aircraft. A prime example of technology for technology's
96 DTW2HYD : Plastics and adhesives will advance a great deal in 20 years. Advanced light weight curtain hardware along with some drapes will do the trick. Based
97 Post contains images EmiratesEK231 : These have to be people who haven't flown true long haul... where you're over water the majority of the time and/or over barren land. During my last
98 airnorth : Somewhere in the depths of the many 787 threads, the debate between the maintenance costs of the mechanical vs the electronic shades were discussed. I
99 EmiratesEK231 : I also recall and earlier thread where there was in-debt discussion about weight savings from dimmable windows, and I think there was lots of evidenc
100 Post contains images angmoh : I can only remember 2 places where I looked out of a window on a long haul flight for an extended period of time: 1) Flying SIN-FRA during the day fl
101 Post contains images L0VE2FLY : I've been on dozens of planes and I don't recall seeing a single window shade broken. They're extremely reliable and very hard to break. Exactly. Air
102 Max Q : Maybe Boeing and Airbus could build the perfect Aircraft for the dark lovers with no windows at all. Oh wait, they do already, they're called Freighte
103 XT6Wagon : I have no idea what level of darkness UA has specified for thier fleet. Clearly the end customer can choose the max level of tint. No, no it is not.
104 Post contains links airnorth : The dimming windows have been discussed before, unfortunately Tdscanuck, CM, and a few others with extensive knowledge of the 787 have left the group
105 tonystan : You have never been on a BA 747 then! Lol
106 TheRedBaron : The battery on the LTE is not even rechargeable, and has no feeding from the 787 main power, and even like that we had an "incident". So I think that
107 DTW2HYD : I am not complaining about passengers keep their shades open. I always thought it was odd. Now I can appreciate their point of view. There are other
108 HAWK21M : They can......wrinkled,crumbled and broken handle....
109 XT6Wagon : are you trolling? The LTE has stored energy. The window system does not. You apply power it changes from its default state, you remove the power and
110 DTW2HYD : I read slightly different version. You apply power to change the state and it retains same state(without power) until you change the state again by a
111 mcdu : And you know this fact how? I have worked for an airline for 30+ years and have never heard of such a policy.
112 Post contains images klmd11l : You guys remind me of my first and only flight over the Himalayas (FRA-BKK with TG), while enjoying a spectacular view the F/A asked me to close my w
113 Post contains links and images L0VE2FLY : Here's the perfect aircraft for the darkness lovers! ... View Large View MediumPhoto © Michael Zhang It may be very safe and unlikely to cause a fir
114 Max Q : I would have just told her no, it's staying open, if it was take off or landing that would be different, but no, not going to have a Flight Attendant
115 EmiratesEK231 : And when the aircraft has to make an unscheduled diversion due to the threat of an unstable, insubordinate passenger who appears to be a security ris
116 tonystan : Broken blinds all over the place I'm afraid!
117 Geo772 : Having flown on the 787 I personally think the window dimming is fantastic, possibly one of the best features of the aircraft. There are 5 levels of t
118 Max Q : I can tell you this, wadrs if you think that would happen because of a window shade you may have lost touch with reality. I have had a flight attenda
119 Post contains images L0VE2FLY : You do know that diverting a large airliner costs thousands of dollars, right?! Not to mention inconveniencing hundreds of passengers and possibly di
120 sassiciai : This is one of the most brilliant threads ever on a.net! Initially, I ignored it, then I tapped in to see! OMG! All other threads elicit a preference
121 tonystan : [quote=L0VE2FLY,reply=119]That's not what I heard from friends and acquaintances who flew BA.[/quote Take it from an insider!!!!!
122 tonystan : That the travelling public is capable of being pretty down right vile to one another! No respect, no consideration and a bowlful of "Me, Me, Me"!!!!
123 Post contains links CO777DAL : I have video of UA 787 electronic shades and going to full dim in the sun. You can still see out even on darkest setting. But when you look across the
124 Post contains images BA677 : So on the later 787s, it would be good to know if you can still see outside on the darkest tint. I think this is the older version.
125 Post contains images CXB77L : As someone who loves to look out the window, I think the 787's dimmable windows are a fantastic innovation. I only wish that it could've been invented
126 Post contains images klmd11l : I didn't want to make a scene, I just waited for a few minutes then half-opened my window and continued to look out with the help of my blanket-shade
127 L0VE2FLY : People have different preferences and it's impossible to please everyone, that's why I thought BA677's idea is great... This way everyone will be hap
128 lhrnue : Why are all windows on the first 787-9 sealed. Best visible in the movie on Randy's blog.
129 waly777 : That isn't true, the mechanical window shades are probably the one of the items that break down and repair the most frequently in the cabin. They are
130 L0VE2FLY : The mechanical shades have been around for decades and proven themselves, the electronic shades will start to fail just as often as if not more frequ
131 waly777 : They've been around for decades changes what exactly? They are still mechanical and very susceptible to failure and frequent maintenance. The airline
132 Post contains images a36001 : The traditional window shades have often really annoyed me because as a plane freak, there is nothing I enjoy more than simply staring at the wing in
133 Max Q : They slide up, they slide down, pretty simple, no electricity required and they totally block out the sun when you want them to. A better mousetrap w
134 sweair : Get used to it, Airbus will get it too, I think its a good thing if people can sleep and others still being able to check out the view from above, may
135 Post contains images CXB77L : I prefer to see through tinted glass than not see anything at all through an opaque plastic window shade. Do you have any proof of that? It's long ov
136 alfa164 : They break, they crack, the come out of their tracks - and repairing them often means removing an entire side panel...
137 waly777 : Couldn't have said it better. It is precisely because of their mechanical nature that they are very susceptible to damage and require fixing often. A
138 Post contains images DarkSnowyNight : That's be because over at Engineering, we do an awesome job at fixing those up before you get on board, Oddly enough, that is precisely the example I
139 airlinebuilder : Hello, I know it is off track to ask it here, but I will be on a B787 Norwegian Air Shuttle Bangkok - Oslo, I would just like to ascertain I did not c
140 Post contains links XT6Wagon : check http://www.seatguru.com/ If they don't have the exact layout, you can get an idea since the blank panels should be the same across most 787.
141 yeelep : They rarely break, they do crack-takes all of three minutes to change, they come out of the tracks rarely. Never had to remove a sidewall panel to fi
142 airlinebuilder : XT6Wagon - I did check on seatguru prior to posting on here, there was no remark of any sort, not even on the comments re which seat number at the rea
143 copter808 : And you have come to this conclusion without ever having been on the airplane??? Try asking the guys upfront. Many of them have said one of the best
144 DTW2HYD : Do we know if eTint windows are on darkest setting during a crash, can firefighters see inside? Even with loss of power eTint is designed to retain t
145 copter808 : I don't know about that, but was wondering the same thing. I know that in the case of tinted automobile windows it's easy to see out, but pretty diff
146 Kengo : Having flown several 787 domestic flights in Japan, I enjoyed the dimmable window. At mid-setting, I could work on my PC without the sun glare whiteni
147 tonystan : To the best of my knowledge following my conversion course once power is cut to the windows they become clear again. However this can take up to 90 s
148 CO777DAL : There is a area in the back of 787 where two part was joined together, it is row 36 on United that doesn't have a window. So look at there map and tr
149 Post contains links airnorth : Seat guru shows row 5 Premium Economy as having no window, that is the only reference I could see. http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Nor...egian_Air_Sh
150 tjh8402 : sorry if this has been mentioned already...I was just speed reading a lot of the above posts. When I flew on UA's 787, one of the flight attendants to
151 christao17 : Just flew NH's 787 from SJC to NRT a few weeks ago. Sat on the south-facing side of a flight that is entirely in daylight. Complaints about the excess
152 Post contains links DTW2HYD : It is still not clear. If your statement is true, interior will be cooked of a 787 sitting in a hot sun without power. Here is an excerpt from wiki o
153 tonystan : I believe it's a fail safe built into the B787. If power is cut it returns to the full "bright", "open" or whatever you want to call it position! Jus
154 brilondon : That is why I like the window. Not for the view but for the little extra privacy for sleeping and not being disturbed by the drunken person who is st
155 Post contains images yeogeo : In my experience, the aisle seats are more in demand . yeo
156 sassiciai : Aisle seat "D" for me for nighttime flight, window "A" for daytime! (or equivalent on the other side) I like the freedom of the aisle seat in the midd
157 XT6Wagon : Nope, This returns to default state when power is lost. It defaults to clear for safety reasons. If you used it on a car or a building you could make
158 Post contains images L0VE2FLY : So according to you the jet engines of the 1950s are just the same as the 21st. century engines?! Any product is refined over time no matter how simp
159 Polot : I must say (and I don't intend to pick on you specifically) that I find it hilarious the number of people that assume because electricity is involved
160 L0VE2FLY : Mechanical is not always the winner, best example would be the MP3 players and digital cameras vs. cassette players and film cameras, but in the case
161 Post contains images seabosdca : The dimmable window is almost literally the simplest possible electric system. And (except for the switch, which will take 30 seconds to replace) it
162 Post contains images DarkSnowyNight : They're very similar in overall design. To R&R a blind, there's no getting around pulling that wall panel back. And again, although you can re-tr
163 Copter808 : Not sure who has final authority with the window control, but I have never had a problem setting it the way I want after the crew darkens them. You d
164 tjh8402 : The UA cabin crew told me they had final authority. In the event that they were setting up the cabin environment for night and "there was that one gu
165 angmoh : To me this is a bit of a stupid question. It's the cabin crew, the same way as they control cabin lighting and everything else. If the cabin crew can
166 waly777 : You said that, I certainly did not. Also, jet engines are not just mechanical it also entails electrics and electronics. Gosh, stop arguing with base
167 Post contains images L0VE2FLY : No, we don't have any problem! If an airline allows and some times charges me to book my window seat, I have the right to open my shade whenever I li
168 tugger : So if a crew member instructs you to close your window shade (and it's not "glaring" outside)... you won't? Tugg[Edited 2013-09-07 12:24:11]
169 zippyjet : Flying on Boeing 717 and 737's I usually get my window seat. And with the shade up on the sunny side I can feel the heat but, never had any trouble t
170 Post contains images L0VE2FLY : Luckily I've only been asked to close my shade on TATL/TPAC redeyes, I can't imagine being asked to close it while enjoying a nice view in the middle
171 copter808 : I'm sorry you think it's a stupid question, but your own argument seems to miss the point. If the cabin crew turns down the lights, I still have the
172 tommytoyz : That is lovely. I would also have defied the F/As. How many times can you experience flying over the Himalayas?
173 copter808 : Why not just ask her if you could keep it open for the view? If she says "no", then I would consider writing a letter to the CEO (in a polite manner)
174 tugger : And neatly bringing this back on topic, if one is on a 787 over the Himalayas you can continue to watch the amazing view outside of your window!! No
175 copter808 : Good job getting back on topic and good point with the outside view! Although you might want to lighten the tint a bit, it won't be enough to bother
176 Post contains images HBGDS : Lockheed offered the feature in 1971 on its Tristar. Nobody took it up: too heavy and costly it seems.
177 tonystan : OR.... In a far more practical way, just ask for the in charge crew member to complain to. It'll be a lot faster and it may actually get listened to!
178 copter808 : Correct, but my thinking was that by writing the letter, it's a past incident and you're more likely to get a credit voucher. I realize that many CEO
179 Post contains images klmd11l : When he asked me for the second time while using my blanket as a shade, I told him "I didn't book a window seat to close my shade", however, he insis
180 tonystan : Ill have to ask what airline this was because it just doesn't sound true at all! Never ever worked for or experienced an airline that would force it'
181 masi1157 : Oh, that happened to me many many times. In fact on almost every flight flying through the night into the morning/sunrise Gruß, masi1157
182 JHwk : It doesn't work that way; perceived light levels are logarithmic: 5% transmittance through one window when all the rest of the windows are at 0% tran
183 Post contains links and images masi1157 : So far I had one return flight FRA - HND on a B787 in late June 2012. The return flight leaves HND at 01:00 at night, then heads northwest to Sibiria,
184 Post contains images klmd11l : It's true, it was TG, FRA-BKK flight as I mentioned in an earlier reply. Same here, The TG flight was the highlight because the view was the best I'v
185 tommytoyz : Because the experience would be lost. A letter or a voucher can not replace the experience. The experience is priceless. That's exactly what I have d
186 Post contains images L0VE2FLY : I doubt we'll see any retrofitting and I sure hope this feature will never become popular. Please Airbus keep it optional on the A350!
187 TheRedBaron : Amen! TRB
188 DocLightning : That wasn't my experience at all. I just flew JL002 from HND to SFO last night and wanted to share my impressions. On this midnight departure flight,
189 Viscount724 : They still sound like a potential maintenance nightmare as they age. And does anyone know how they compare with traditional windows and windowshades
190 Schweigend : Thanks! That is what I'd hoped for with these new shades, especially on a late-night departure that flies into daylight early on. I am looking forwar
191 copter808 : But by the time you have written the letter the trip is over. Whether you closed the shade or not, I would still write expressing disappointment. You
192 copter808 : My person experience is pretty much in line with DocL's. I love them! [quote=Viscount724,reply=189]They still sound like a potential maintenance night
193 DocLightning : They have no moving parts except the switches in the little button that the passenger uses. Those look like they are probably very easy to replace, u
194 bikerthai : Good point. Is there enough room above the window (in the side wall) to slide any shade up? Another point is the life cycle cost of the shades. Consi
195 Post contains links and images Viscount724 : There's the option of the double windowshade as on the BAe146/Avro RJ where the top half slides down and the bottom half slides up and they meet in t
196 Post contains images washingtonflyer : As long as you don't see this on your 787 dimmable window...
197 DTW2HYD : If replacing buttons is so easy, why most of armrest audio/light control buttons are in dire state. Same goes for IFE wired remote buttons.
198 Post contains images bikerthai : For most of us, we can blame it on procrastination You just double the price and cut the reliability in half. Still, we don't know if the cost would
199 Pygmalion : It may not be obvious, but the dimmable window pane is not part of the sidewall and can be changed independently of the sidewall and/or window itself.
200 Post contains links and images L0VE2FLY : Were you impressed with seeing 2 wings out of your window too?! Gotta "love" those reflections, especially if you're a photographer! Tokyo-Boston Via
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