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Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 Part 2  
User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2798 posts, RR: 4
Posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 45472 times:
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Part 1 has become long and Part 2 is being created in order to continue the conversation and make loading the thread easier for members.

Part 1 can be found here Airbus And Boeing Orders 2013 (by Stitch Jan 10 2013 in Civil Aviation)

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Pat


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User currently offlinestarbucks From Netherlands, joined Feb 2013, 724 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 44888 times:

Apparently

Quote:
British Airways parent IAG ordering 62 A320 and A320neo for Vueling, places 100 A320neo options for BA, Iberia and Vueling. #airbus

We could have seen this coming

Source: Twitter, @FlightDKM



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11691 posts, RR: 33
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 44850 times:

Sounds like the order has yet to be signed.


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User currently offlinestarbucks From Netherlands, joined Feb 2013, 724 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 44336 times:

The order for 62 A320 is now firm:

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...62-airbus-a320-family-for-vueling/

> 30 A320ceo
> 32 A320neo
> 58 options

all for Vueling

Subject to shareholder approval the deal could be expanded with another 100 options which can be used by any airline in the group (BA, Iberia and Vueling)



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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 43722 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 2):
Sounds like the order has yet to be signed.

The IAG shareholder meeting is scheduled to be held Sept. 26th, so a formal firming of the order will take place then. This also includes the 18 787s and 18 A350s for BA


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11691 posts, RR: 33
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 43656 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 4):
so a formal firming of the order will take place then

The press release is not very clear, I get the impression that the 120 units for Vueling have already been firmed and the 100 extra options for BA, Iberia and Vueling are waiting for shareholder approval. But I'm not sure.



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12568 posts, RR: 46
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 43465 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 5):
The press release is not very clear, I get the impression that the 120 units for Vueling have already been firmed and the 100 extra options for BA, Iberia and Vueling are waiting for shareholder approval.

It can certainly be read that way.

More tellingly, the first words in Airbus's release say:

Quote:
Firm order is part of a global IAG agreement for up to 220 Airbus single-aisle aircraft



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11691 posts, RR: 33
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 42894 times:

Six 787s for Xiamen Airlines.

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2013-08-...izes-Order-for-Six-787-Dreamliners



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11691 posts, RR: 33
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 42314 times:

Boeing Statement on WestJet's Intent to Purchase 65 737 MAX Airplanes:

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=20295&item=128779



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User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 42053 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 7):

Six 787s for Xiamen Airlines.

http://boeing.mediaroom.com/2013-08-...izes-Order-for-Six-787-Dreamliners

Showing in this week's update from Boeing, in addition to 7 777 UFO and two 737 cancellations


User currently offlineGUYAIR707 From Guyana, joined Jan 2011, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 41781 times:

Don't know if it was mentioned but WestJet signed a letter of intent for 65 737 MAX jets.

Source CBC News: http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/stor...08/29/business-westjet-planes.html

"Calgary-based WestJet Airlines Ltd. has announced it will expand its fleet with the addition of 65 Boeing 737 MAX aircraft.

The carrier announced Friday that it has signed a letter of intent to buy 40 737 MAX 8 and 25 737 MAX 7 aircraft, with delivery scheduled to begin in September 2017."

GUYAIR707


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31003 posts, RR: 86
Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 41757 times:
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Quoting GUYAIR707 (Reply 10):
Don't know if it was mentioned but WestJet signed a letter of intent for 65 737 MAX jets.

Look up two replies.  


User currently offlineGUYAIR707 From Guyana, joined Jan 2011, 708 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 41730 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 11):

Lol sorry I missed that. Thanks.

GUYAIR707


User currently offlinekaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2889 posts, RR: 17
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 41518 times:

Quoting someone83 (Reply 9):
. Showing in this week's update from Boeing, in addition to 7 777 UFO and two 737 cancellation

There has been a rumor that these could be part of an order from EY on behalf of JET AIRWAYS , I guess time will tell

Karan


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11691 posts, RR: 33
Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 41500 times:

Or perhaps Qatar, they have 7x 77W options.


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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3446 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 41407 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 14):

That was just two months ago. Hard to believe they made up their minds so quickly. But the order # is dead on. We will see.

tortugamon


User currently offlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1610 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 41335 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 14):
Or perhaps Qatar, they have 7x 77W options.

My first thought as well, just before the Paris air show Al-Baker said they would order additional 777s, but that turned out to be just the disclosure of a UFO order placed many months before.

So I guess we'll hear an official QR statement at Dubai air show of these 7  

I wonder when QR will firm the options they have on 787s. Was expecting a 787-9 order long ago... Perhaps they'll convert some of their 787-8s on order to -9, if it indeed performs better than spec (which is expected...)



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11691 posts, RR: 33
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 40760 times:

Airbus numbers for August are online, only 10 bookings.

http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/co...ate-information/orders-deliveries/

Quote:
The month’s orders were led by the CIT leasing company’s booking for five longer-fuselage A321s in the current engine option (CEO) version, underscoring operators’ needs for higher capacity single-aisle aircraft. The Texas Aviation Group and affiliates contracted for four A319ceo jetliners in August.

Completing the month’s new business was China Eastern Airlines’ order for a widebody A330-200.

These 10 bookings in August brought the year’s total net orders to 902.



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User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3390 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 40741 times:

I assume the A319 are some of those leased to AA?

And with the China Eastern A332, we can move one of the China MoUs into firm?


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11691 posts, RR: 33
Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 40694 times:

Quoting someone83 (Reply 18):
I assume the A319 are some of those leased to AA?

It looks that way, first delivery will take place later this year.

Quoting someone83 (Reply 18):
And with the China Eastern A332, we can move one of the China MoUs into firm?

I thought the China MoU for 18 A330s was for the -300 only?

[Edited 2013-09-05 01:59:08]


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User currently offlinesirtoby From Germany, joined Nov 2007, 378 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 40683 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 19):
Quoting someone83 (Reply 18):I assume the A319 are some of those leased to AA?
It looks that way, first delivery will take place later this year.

First TWO deliveries were already made in August if you look carefully...


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11691 posts, RR: 33
Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 40678 times:

Sorry, I read "A321" for some reason. They will be delivered later this year.


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User currently offlineaviaponcho From France, joined Aug 2011, 620 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 40526 times:

Hello folks

Just for those who thinks that no-one works in France (and Europe) in August :
Airbus : 47 deliveries this august ... 38 single aisles, 7 A330's and 2 A380. Not the biggest month of the year, but a rather average one (monthly average january - august : 49.25...)

Waiting for boeing's figures

[Edited 2013-09-05 04:29:40]

User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3446 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 40442 times:

Quoting aviaponcho (Reply 22):

Slackers  

tortugamon


User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1187 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 40182 times:

Quoting aviaponcho (Reply 22):
Waiting for boeing's figures

According to Boeing Twitter they delivered 56 in August

Boeing Airplanes ‏@BoeingAirplanes
We delivered 56 airplanes in August. Year to date delivery total = 414. http://bit.ly/7MOQ4j #Boeing


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25 StTim : One would expect Boeings figures to be slightly skewed this year. They have the 787's that are trundling down the line + the rework 787's to be delive
26 kanban : we're venturing off topic again.. this thread was to be limited to actual orders not delivery data
27 flood : Changes reflected in Boeing's 787 orders cumulative through August, mostly previously discussed: - Air Canada: 37x 788 changed to 15x 788 + 22x 789 -
28 Post contains images KarelXWB : Good to see it finally booked
29 Post contains links Bogi : Boeing orders through September 3 are online. http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm
30 Someone83 : No change in Boeing's orderbook this week
31 timboflier215 : Very poor showing from RR, unfortunately. They really seem to be struggling to sell the T1000 in China.
32 Post contains images PM : Now, that is strange. The RR order was announced long ago. Doing OK with the T700 though!
33 Post contains links KarelXWB : Air Lease Corporation finally firmed their 30 787-10s, plus 3 787-9s: http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=20295&item=128802
34 817Dreamliiner : Great! So now the -10 backlog is now 80. I wonder when the other 22 will get firmed from BA and GECAS.[Edited 2013-09-18 14:12:57]
35 KarelXWB : The BA order is pending shareholders approval later this month.
36 jumpjets : The IAG shareholders meeting at which the proposed acquisitions of additional B787s and the Airbus A350- 1000 and Airbus A320s for BA and Vueling is
37 817Dreamliiner : Thanks for the info.
38 Post contains links KarelXWB : Boeing says GECAS finalizes order for 10 Boeing 787-10. This was also a Paris air show order. http://twitter.com/ReutersAero/status/380663612471132162
39 Post contains links india1 : From China... http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/0...airbus-china-idINBRE98O01520130925
40 Post contains links sirtoby : Also from China: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/b...ts-Airbus/articleshow/23036003.cms 43 new orders for the A320 family: 18+9 neo, 5+11 ceo
41 Post contains links KarelXWB : Zhejiang Loong Airlines signs MoU for 11 A320ceo and nine A320neo. http://twitter.com/ReutersAero/status/382772396769705984
42 Post contains links KarelXWB : Qingdao Airlines orders five A320ceo and 18 A320neo. http://twitter.com/ReutersAero/status/382775184056668160
43 Post contains links KarelXWB : Official press release here: http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...s-mou-for-20-a320-family-aircraft/ Official press release here: http://www.airbus
44 chiad : BOC Aviation 25 A320
45 Someone83 : Are these Chinese order new, or is it just distribution of previous Chinese orders?
46 KarelXWB : Hong Kong Aviation Capital signed a MoU for 60 A320neo aircraft in June. Today's orders - which also includes A320ceo aircraft - are also a MoU so I
47 Post contains links KarelXWB : Now confirmed: BOC Aviation has ordered 25 A320 family including 12 A320neo. http://twitter.com/Airbus/status/382791744703582209 This one is a firm o
48 Post contains links KarelXWB : VietJet orders up to 92 A320 aircraft, 62 firm + 30 options. http://twitter.com/ReutersAero/status/382830453368975361
49 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...p-to-100-new-a320-family-aircraft/
50 Post contains links Flying-Tiger : Indigo will get 20 A321neo, even though not clear if converted from the existing order or if added to it: [quote]IndiGo president Aditya Ghosh told Bu
51 Post contains links KarelXWB : Air Europa orders 8 737 aircraft. http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm
52 Post contains links KarelXWB : WestJet firms agreement for 65 Boeing 737 Max aircraft. http://westjet2.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=43&item=816
53 chiad : Thanks for the update again KarelXWB That means the MAX now has 1563 orders. It's a real possibility that FR could add another 200 frames to the back
54 Someone83 : Noticed it this week as well was a few 737s cancelations. Do we know who?
55 Post contains links KarelXWB : Actually the backlog is now 1567 instead of 1563, ALC ordered another 4 last week. http://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/status/381202715168088065 http:
56 Post contains links KarelXWB : Vietnam Airlines has agreed to buy 19 787s. http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...-dreamliners-idUSBRE98Q12H20130927
57 flood : Thanks, missed that one. Reuters corrected the article. No additional aircraft, merely their GE engine selection.
58 KarelXWB : Thanks. So, another engine order for GE.
59 Post contains links KarelXWB : Alaska Airlines Announce Order for Five Next-Generation 737-900ERs. http://boeing.mediaroom.com/index.php?s=20295&item=128816
60 Stitch : IAG's shareholders have approved the 787, A350 and A320 order for BA and Vueling so those orders should be posting soon to the respective OEMs.
61 Post contains links KarelXWB : SAS announces finalization of order for 4 Airbus A330-300s, 8 A350-900s. Options for 6 more A350s. http://twitter.com/R_Wall/status/385751931466956800
62 Someone83 : Boeing's weekly update is showing the five 739ER for Alaska, one 737 for US Navy and 65 737s for Westjet. 15 737s has also been cancelled, not sure fo
63 frigatebird : The 15 cancellations are also from Westjet. Boeing lists conversions from 737NGs to MAX as cancellations for the NG and new orders for the MAX.
64 Post contains images PM : Final? SAS will never again order long-haul planes?
65 Post contains images chiad : Hmm .. maybe this proves to be a correct prephecy. Hello Lufthansa?
66 Post contains images KarelXWB : Poor wording of me.
67 Post contains links KarelXWB : The Airbus numbers are out too, 170 orders booked in September. http://www.airbus.com/company/market/orders-deliveries/
68 Post contains images Heavierthanair : G'day I am a bit confused In the Airbus August order and deliveries table it says LH has 17 A 380 on order. In the September version this has been red
69 Post contains images scouseflyer : They certainly were and it was even mentioned in the presentation about the 779 A350 order but there's been 3 cancellations booked on the orders page
70 wingman : According to a Google news piece those three are confirmed as being part of the LH order.
71 KarelXWB : Airbus also passed its sales target of 1000 aircraft for 2013: > Gross: 1112 > Net: 1062 They started the year with a target of 700, than raised
72 Post contains links KarelXWB : Also good news for P&W, they just tweeted: http://twitter.com/prattandwhitney/status/386200038059552769
73 airlinebuilder : I just have a point of concern in the interest of having a accurate tally of sorts, given we all start counting from where airbus first put to commerc
74 KarelXWB : I don't think anybody is "winning", Boeing and Airbus have a duopoly with a market share of about 50/50% between them. And I don't want to see anybod
75 Post contains links KarelXWB : But to give you some numbers, someone else did the math: http://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/382917149679165440
76 7BOEING7 : Orders are nice but it's the $$$$ per order that counts and that we'll never know.
77 chiad : Awesome. The A350XWB's backlog is now 725 frames.
78 KarelXWB : Actually it's 733, the SAS order was firmed this month thus will not be listed in the order book until next month. Agreed.[Edited 2013-10-04 14:11:52
79 Post contains images chiad : As always .. I gladly stand corrected though we dont know if there also has been some cancellations during the first 4 working days of October. But m
80 Post contains links KarelXWB : Airbus still has 144 MoUs for the A320neo. http://www.pdxlight.com/neomax.htm But that's without the 100 A320neo's for China. http://www.reuters.com/
81 Post contains images Asiaflyer : Hmmm...... Ethiad cancelled part of their A350 order a while back and now they plan to order more.
82 KarelXWB : Sure, why not? They canceled -1000s, perhaps they want a few -900s too.
83 chiad : Indeed you are right. 144 MoUs plus another 100 from IAG. Thanks for the update!
84 astuteman : At the time they clearly cited financial reasons, and emphasized their commitment and support to the type (A350-1000). Of course at the time it was f
85 Post contains images KarelXWB : Clearly the redesign was the right choose. IMO Airbus should had never launched the three A350 family members in 2006 together. If they had launched
86 Post contains images chiad : Aha .. let's offset that for a second since JAL just ordered 31 A350's. 835 frames is definatly a possibility.
87 Post contains links KarelXWB : It's not worth opening a new thread so I post it here: ILFC announced today it has signed a 12-year lease agreement with SriLankan for three A350-900
88 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Fabrice Brégier confirmed the order as being a firm order. The backlog now holds 756 units, although he forgot to include the SAS order. http://yout
89 Someone83 : No changes on Boeing's order side for a second week in a row
90 Post contains images EPA001 : I guess everyone is waiting for the Dubai Air Show.
91 Post contains links PanAm_DC10 : Boeing and Aerolineas Argentinas have completed an agreement for 20 737-800s BUENOS AIRES, Argentina, Oct. 21, 2013 /PRNewswire/ -- Boeing [NYSE: BA]
92 chiad : Thanks for the update PanAm_DC10 One of these sales campaigns that silently passes by. But I bet Airbus wouldn't mind to make Aerolineas Argentinas a
93 KarelXWB : They just introduced the A330 in the fleet. Boeing still has 500+ NG slots left.
94 KarelXWB : Aeroflot shareholders have now approved the deal for 14x A359 and 8x A358 aircraft (instead of 18x A358 and 4x A359). This brings the A350-900 backlog
95 Post contains images EPA001 : Good news, and the number of more than 500 copies of the A350-900 alone is amazing.
96 Post contains links KarelXWB : Korean Air buys 12 aircraft: > 5x B747-8i > 6x B777-300ER > 1x B787-9 http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...anair-boeing-idUSBRE99N06A201310
97 Stitch : So this is the firming up of their June MoU.
98 chiad : Wow .. that's a nice one, especially the 5x B747-8i
99 tortugamon : I don't remember the June MoU having the one 787 but otherwise, I agree. tortugamon
100 KarelXWB : Indeed. More interesting is the 2018 delivery target, can Boeing stretch the 747 production that much?
101 tortugamon : The article does not say which aircraft will be purchased by the end of 2018. That timing makes more sense for the 787-9 than the 747-8I. tortugamon
102 KarelXWB : Well, it literally says "the 12 aircraft will be purchased by end-2018".
103 tortugamon : I take that to mean that if all 747s are delivered/purchased in 2017 that they will have indeed been purchased by end-2018. I think they gave the las
104 SEPilot : It does not say they will not take the aircraft before 2018; it says that they will all be delivered by the end of 2018. The way Boeing production is
105 KarelXWB : That makes sense, thanks.
106 Someone83 : Boeing's weekly update is showing the 20 737-800s to Aerolineas Argentina, as well as 2 737s for ElAl, 42 737 UFO and 12 737s cancellations
107 Stitch : Sounds like a 737NG to MAX conversion for someone.
108 Post contains links Kengo : Not firm yet but as expected China commits to around 200 737MAXs. http://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/exc...s-china-commitments-021325438.html
109 Someone83 : 737-900ER, bringing their total order up to eight.
110 Post contains links KarelXWB : JetBlue orders 15x A321ceo and 20x A321neo aircraft; converters 18 A320s to A321s. http://investor.jetblue.com/phoenix....-newsArticle&ID=1869503&
111 Someone83 : Now listed on Boeing order update up to Oct 29.' In addition a single 737BBJ was booked the same week
112 Post contains links KarelXWB : Arik Air orders two 777-300ER aircraft (instead of the two previously ordered 747-8i aircraft). http://twitter.com/FG_STrim/status/397744621540745218
113 Post contains links KarelXWB : Airbus booked 153 new orders last month, including 20 A330s (China finally firmed their A330 MoU). http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/co...ate-informat
114 moo : Impressive - 59 wide body orders in total for October. 182 net A350WXB orders in 2013 so far.
115 KarelXWB : Plus 42 A330s this year. If then can sell another 10 before the end of the year, they'll have the same net figure as last year.[Edited 2013-11-07 07:
116 someone83 : A very good month for Airbus. Air China: 6 A330-300 China Eastern: 6 A330-200; 1 A330-300 China Southern: 1 A330-300 Hainan: 1 A330-200; 1 A330-300 SA
117 Post contains links KarelXWB : Southwest Airlines has quietly converted 20 737 NG orders to Max. http://twitter.com/ghimlay/status/398477669026639873
118 fun2fly : Boeing update for Nov 7 2014 28 new orders (Unidentified Customer(s) 26 737s and two 787s. In the changes category, reduced 737 net orders by 26. Anot
119 moo : You have to wonder who had the better strategy there - Airbus by not allowing conversions, or Boeing allowing conversions. I would have thought Boein
120 someone83 : With the current pace of conversions for Boeing the likelyhood of a gap between the NG production and MAX ramp-up increases significantly
121 flood : Changes to 787 orders cumulative through Oct: - Aeromexico selects GE for 6 more of their 789s - CIT converts 5x 788 to 789 - KAL order for 1x 788 (an
122 Post contains images chiad : I calculated that Boeing has a B737NG backlog of about 1900 frames. I am not 100% updated on the planned ramp-up numbers but assuming they average on
123 kanban : from past examples, I suspect this is 26 planes moving from the existing to the MAX.
124 Post contains images astuteman : It's all to easy to get used to these figures. But this is a mind-numbingly large quantity of aircraft yet to be built. Even more so when Boeing's ba
125 Aircellist : Yup. When I was a kid, the best-seller jet airliner was the 727, at 1831 copies… I guess the question may be: when should I begin to feel old?
126 SEPilot : I don't know who thinks that Airbus is being pushed out of the widebody race; obviously someone who lets bias speak instead of facts. It is clear tha
127 astuteman : just another observation from the Airbus report.. That quote refers to this year, I assume, with 462 out of 1037 orders. The A321 really looks like a
128 SEPilot : Well, we keep getting these threads and comments about "when will we get a true 757 replacement?" The A321NEO is coming pretty close, and I expect th
129 Post contains images scbriml : It certainly is. I noted in another thread that the A321 backlog is more than the total 757 production run.
130 KarelXWB : Airbus is studying 50 per month for the end of the decade, and the rate will go to 44 per month in 2018 first (after the NEO transition has been comp
131 travelhound : We have some customers wanting to defer deliveries by changing to the MAX and we have other customers complaining they can't accelerate deliveries be
132 Post contains images astuteman : As far as I can tell the backlog is 1 063 planes out of 1 919 ordered - that's 55% of all orders since launch yet to be delivered.... rgds
133 KarelXWB : It was in fact Mike Bair (senior vice president of marketing for Boeing) who last year said "we'll put Airbus out of the wide-body market". A few mon
134 SEPilot : Well, I suppose it's appropriate, considering all of the silly things JL has said about Boeing. But the difference is that JL has been pretty success
135 Post contains images KarelXWB : > 1,050 B757 aircraft built > 1,919 A321 aircraft ordered (of which 514 are NEO) > 856 A321 aircraft delivered, 1,063 in backlog Yes, it's w
136 Post contains images KarelXWB : It now seems that those 42 737s are for the MAX.
137 tortugamon : Considering he was fired a couple weeks ago, I would say that he has not done that well. MB is not the JL equivalent at Boeing. Neither is RK. tortug
138 Stitch : Boeing starts MAX production in 2015 with deliveries in 2017, at which point the delivery rate will be 47 planes a month, so Boeing should be able to
139 astuteman : Airbus currently have a c. 800 plane advantage (4 200 vs 3 400) in the narrowbody market (not including the Chinese 200 plane 737 order) and yet are
140 Stitch : Maybe Boeing's suppliers can ramp better than Airbus'? Spirit Aerosystems stated back in August they could support a 47-frame production rate if Boei
141 astuteman : Yeah. Like I said, I'm just curious why Airbus, already at a higher rate, and with a higher backlog, aren't demonstrating the same ambition Rgds
142 chiad : Maybe a little off-topic but I've noticed that Airbus delivered 59 frames (vs 54 for Boeing) including 4 A380's. Very nice performance!
143 Post contains links KarelXWB : Speaking about the A320neo, assembly of the first components is on track: http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pr...ts-first-major-component-assembly/ I
144 travelhound : By 2015 they should have the third line up and running, so from a assembly perspective this should be achievable. Like you mentioned it comes down to
145 KarelXWB : That's about right, the Renton facility was built with a rate of 63 per month in mind.
146 Post contains images Stitch : And that is independent of the P-8 line, evidently, which can do commercial birds, as well. So Boeing could theoretically support more than 63.
147 Post contains images astuteman : That's the "easy" bit. The trick is getting everyone else to support it apologies if this is off topic Rgds
148 StTim : The rate limiting step is that of the slowest step in the chain can reliably acheive. It is unlikely ever to be the final assembly operation.
149 kanban : Let's not rewrite history.. the FAL's were built many years before a 63/mo rate was envisioned.. That only happened when they started with moving lin
150 Post contains links PM : I apologise for taking this fascinating discussion about production rates off-topic but... Well, that's 16 accounted for but the MoU signed in April w
151 Post contains links fcogafa : Flightglobal are reporting that Airbus has started converting OEM orders to NEO ================== Airbus backlog reveals conversions to A320neo Two c
152 chiad : As I have no access to the Flightglobal Pro I was wondering if there's any indication of who these two airlines are and the number of frames involved
153 KarelXWB : There was 1 A330 order for China in September too. That makes sense because Airbus is currently overbooking the A320ceo.[Edited 2013-11-09 06:14:57]
154 Post contains links KarelXWB : @flood There were some A320ceo conversions. http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...als-conversions-to-a320neo-392770/ http://www.reuters.com/article/2
155 Someone83 : This weeks update from Boeing is showing 20 737s moved from UFOs to Southwest
156 kanban : Recall that when they showed up initially with a corresponding 20 a/p cancellation, I note that it was a NG to MAX switch.
157 KarelXWB : That's correct.
158 Post contains links KarelXWB : Airbus now for the first time confirmed that they're overbooking the current A320. http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...on-current-a320-production-
159 ricknroll : I might be imagining things, but I have a feeling not all these orders will need to be fulfilled. There could be more than one Kingfisher hiding out
160 Post contains links KarelXWB : Related to the Pegasus order of 100 A320neo aircraft last year, the Turkish carrier will power all aircraft with CFM engines. http://twitter.com/Reute
161 Post contains links KarelXWB : Boeing has secured firm orders for its 737 Max from multiple Chinese airlines, and says that announcements for aircraft "in the hundreds" will soon be
162 Post contains links tortugamon : This just sounds like they have firmed up the commitments made last month. http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...boeing-china-idUSBRE99O02F20131025
163 astuteman : I don't buy that. Given the current order rates and lead times, for every order that drops out, another one will fill it. There might be more of an e
164 KarelXWB : There still is that suspicious Kingfisher order but it doesn't really matter because the A320ceo is overbooked by about 100 copies. So even if you ta
165 Stitch : The order frenzy at Dubai is now in full swing. Emirates orders 50 A380-800s and 150 777Xs. Qatar orders 50 777Xs. Etihad orders 17 777-9, 8 777-8, 30
166 chiad : Excellent! Do you have an overview of what is firm as well?
167 Stitch : The 777X, 777, 787 and 737NG are all firm (EK also has 50 777X options - not sure about QR and EY). The 737-8 order by flydubai is for "up to 100", s
168 chiad : Hmmm ... surely it's not all firm. That's why I am asking. As I read it the 150 B777X for EK is firm (with another 50 options). But I think Qatar Air
169 KarelXWB : Emirates signed a commitment for 150 firm orders. Meaning it's not firm yet, but it will be soon. Qatar is not clear indeed, a LOI can be a combinati
170 KarelXWB : Emirates order is for 115x 777-9X and 35x 777-8X aircraft.
171 Post contains links fcogafa : Flightglobal today reports that there will soon be MAX orders in the 'hundreds' announced for Chinese airlines http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles...
172 Post contains links KarelXWB : Another 5 A330 freighters ordered by Qatar, including 8 options. http://twitter.com/Airbus/status/402025385522917376
173 Stitch : The 777X was not formally launched until today, so LH, EK, QR and EY had to sign agreements to buy (just as BA, SQ, GECAS and company had to do with
174 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Taking the Etihad A320neo and Flydubai B737 Max order into account, the NEO/MAX market share in this region is now about 50:50. [Edited 2013-11-17 04:
175 Post contains links KarelXWB : Etihad already made an engine selection for its A320neo order. http://www.cfmaeroengines.com/press/...-2-8-billion-leap-engine-order/724
176 chiad : I am in no doubt that "all" of these commitments will turn firm, but can we expect it in November? In 2013? The "only" firm order from the airshow so
177 Stitch : This is the Middle East, not China, so I think the chances of them all being firmed by the end of November are good and by the end of 2013 are excell
178 KarelXWB : Clark said to firm the order before the end of the year.
179 Post contains links KarelXWB : The 2nd day of the Dubai air show seemed quiet, but it was all about signing contracts for aircraft component production deals in the region. http://u
180 Post contains links KarelXWB : There is no Boeing press release, but Xiamen Airlines signed "Letters of Request" to buy 70 B737 NGs and B737 MAXs. http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rel
181 Post contains links flood : Previous unconfirmed reports pointed to an order consisting of 30 MAX + 40 738s subject to government approval at the time. Interesting to note the q
182 Post contains links KarelXWB : > Air Algerie signed a MoU for 3 A330-200s. > The unidentified order for 2 787-8s placed on the last day of October was a top-up order from TUI
183 Post contains links KarelXWB : Turkish Airlines firmed options for five additional GE90-115B-powered Boeing 777-300ER aircraft at the Dubai Air Show. http://atwonline.com/engines/tu
184 Post contains links tortugamon : That link went dead. I found another article here: http://www.afm.aero/news/item/1120-t...kish-airlines-firms-777-300er-deal tortugamon
185 Post contains links KarelXWB : Hi chiad, this press release will answer your question (check the status column in the table at the end of the article): http://boeing.mediaroom.com/
186 Post contains links KarelXWB : Both Boeing and Airbus have released a press release about the orders signed at the Dubai air show. We can assume there will be no further orders. The
187 Post contains images EPA001 : That much is certain. For both OEM's this could be the second best year of aircraft sales in number of planes. But also possibly the best year when i
188 wingman : Do we know the open campaigns remaining that are expected to close this year? From recollection I have: ANA: 25 350 or 777X RyanAir: 200 737MAX (presu
189 queb : AirAsia : 40-50 A330R Lion Air: 50 CS300 Air Canada: 100 NBs
190 PM : Really?!
191 queb : Maybe less (20-25) but I think it's more realistic than a NBs order
192 rotating14 : Is this speculation or something that has been in the works for a while?
193 india1 : Do we know the open campaigns remaining that are expected to close this year? @ wingman - I can also think of the VietJet A320 MoU which is pending, a
194 chiad : Thank you my friend! It was just as you have already reported several days ago. Amazing!
195 Post contains links KarelXWB : The AirAsia X chief loves the A330s but 40 sounds a bit high. http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...ief-details-fleet-strategy-388873/ ANA said to ma
196 nomadd22 : How many years have people been saying that they can't keep up these yearly over 1,000 airliners per company order rate for much longer?[Edited 2013-1
197 Post contains links KarelXWB : Boeing sheet update: http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm
198 Someone83 : Interesting that Lufthansa only firmed 20 of the planned 34 777-9X Also surprised that the 5 77Ws from TK isn't yet showing
199 tortugamon : Although it appears unlikely, the notes don't actually indicate 777x but rather 777. tortugamon
200 KarelXWB : The table shows the aircraft family.
201 Post contains links tortugamon : United says they are interested in the 777x, not the A380. Personally I see neither. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-1...for-long-range-fleet-cfo-s
202 KarelXWB : I assume every fleet planner will have a clear look at new airplane types.
203 Stitch : These 20 777-9s likely replace the 20 747-8 purchase rights LH held, as I don't expect LH to take more than the 19 747-8 they have on order.
204 Post contains images EPA001 : That sounds (as usual from you ) like a very plausible explanation regarding the purchase of the B777-X by LH. I fully agree with your assumption.
205 PM : Still waiting for BA to firm 18 787s...
206 KarelXWB : Yes, I wonder why does it take so long? They got shareholders approval last September.[Edited 2013-11-22 00:33:19]
207 Post contains links PM : Not an order so forgive me but I think this is the best place to record this. According to Skyliner (whose dates are admittedly sometimes off by a day
208 Post contains links KarelXWB : Spring Airlines has signed an accord with Airbus for 30 additional A320s. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-1...china-backs-discount-carriers.html
209 Post contains links KarelXWB : In an interview with French news paper Les Echos, Tony Fernandes (AirAsia CEO) today confirmed ongoing talks with Airbus for more A330s. However, it
210 fcogafa : You didn't mention the bit about the A380....!
211 Post contains images chiad : This means that Airbus now should have 1395 firm net orders for 2013 (unless there are some cancellations in November). The record is 1419 net orders
212 strfyr51 : Boeing gave GE Exclusivity for boeing Widebodies, Ge isn't GOING to put an engine on ANY airbus unless it's the GP7200 and maybe not even then. He mi
213 Post contains images EPA001 : I am sure one can order RR engines on the B787, just to name an example. .
214 Post contains images KarelXWB : Exclusivity for the 77W and 777X, which means other engine makers can not offer a product for these types. GE could always develop an engine for Airb
215 Post contains links Asiaflyer : According to newsreports, Kuwait Airways are finalising the MoU from May this year for 25 Airbuses plus additional 12 leased aircrafts. I assume the l
216 KarelXWB : What a surprise, I thought this order was in limbo.
217 Post contains images EPA001 : Well, that is good news for Airbus and it's partners and for Kuwait Airways.
218 Asiaflyer : That was the case when the former chairman announced the deal to buy 5 used A332 from Jet Airways and not to go ahead with the Airbus deal. After his
219 KarelXWB : We might see a press release, otherwise we will have to wait until the monthly order book has been updated. Some orders go without press release.
220 india1 : The news article mentions a press conference to be held today, so one would assume an Airbus representative to be present. Wouldn't that be taken as a
221 KarelXWB : Yes, the A330s on lease should arrive next year.
222 Post contains links scbriml : Well, I'm afraid it's 'only' an MoU - 15 A320neo (plus 5 options) and 10 A350-900 (plus 5 options). In addition, they will lease 7 A320 and 5 A330-200
223 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Well, in May they signed an "initial contract" so we're getting closer http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...irbus-kuwait-idUSL6N0DX24820130516
224 Post contains links KarelXWB : Not a new order but Aer Lingus will take the regional A350. http://twitter.com/PEdmondAero
225 Karan69 : Does anyone have the engine specs and range payload chart of the regional 350 with the standard one Thanks Karan
226 Stitch : As a baseline, Airbus has mentioned MTOW reductions of up to 30t for the A350-900R (compared to the 268t for the A350-900) and engine derates of up t
227 PlanesNTrains : Would probably be a hell of a plane, too. -Dave
228 Stitch : For him, it would be, as for regional missions, the A350-900R gets him little over an A330-300 beyond the engine efficiencies. With the same 440-seat
229 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Open the A330 spec PDF, it gives you an idea about all different weight variants. http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/medi...data/AC/Airbus-AC-A330-Apr20
230 Post contains links india1 : The Nov Airbus figs are out. The expected Dubai Airshow haul, plus a few more...BUT they haven't as yet incl the EK 380s. I do remember reading that t
231 starbucks : No surprise if they got those slots...
232 StTim : The back logs that Airbus and Boeing are sitting on are truly astounding. What other industry has a firm order back log of 8 years?
233 frigatebird : Any ideas which airline(s) cancelled these?
234 Post contains links 817Dreamliiner : Appears to be Avion http://twitter.com/FlightDKM/status/408534997574766592
235 PM : The A330F has had a real roller-coaster ride. A total of 103 have been ordered over the years. Of these 36 have been cancelled and 26 converted to ot
236 KarelXWB : What we have is: > Aerospace International Group: 10x A320ceo, 4x A321ceo > Lerner Enterprises: 1x A319ceo > Etihad: 10x A320neo, 26x A321ne
237 scouseflyer : Remarkable the progress that the A350 is making - it's on 814 orders currently, about 10 months out from EIS, the 787 (which was the fastest selling
238 KarelXWB : Airbus sold 230 A350s in 2013, it's not unthinkable to sell another 200 in 2014, bringing the backlog to 1000 at EIS.
239 StTim : Now that would be astounding.
240 EPA001 : EK takes a bit more time. Just as their massive B777-X order is also not in the books yet. Formally if I am not mistaken EK's orders are commitments
241 sirtoby : These are ceo's, not neo's - to be leased to AA...
242 KarelXWB : Thanks, post updated!
243 scouseflyer : I wonder if these will come off the order for 130 A321s that they have booked or if these are part of the other "unfirmed" part of the mega order fro
244 Post contains links india1 : With Boeing's book being updated today, too - see http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm - the tallies are: B = 1054 vs A = 1354 nett. I
245 kanban : Today Boeing lists : Changes since last update: 17 new orders (Unidentified Customer(s) 17 737s). Identified Air China Cargo order for eight 777s prev
246 Post contains images PlanesNTrains : To be fair to the A350XWB, the 787 took a LOOONNNGGG time to get to EIS, so had a lot of time to rack up orders. To be fair to the 787. the A350Mk1 e
247 astuteman : It's astonishing frankly. looking at my own records back to June 2010, A and B combined backlogs have gone up from c. 6 450 frames to c.10 200 frames
248 KarelXWB : And 2013 is not over yet, we have a few wide-body orders pending: > Qatar: 50x 777X > Emirates: 150x 777X, 50x A380 > Doric: 20x A380
249 Post contains links SA7700 : As this thread has become quite long and slow to load for some users, it will be locked for further discussion. All posts added after the thread lock
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