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IAG Ordering 62 A320s For Vueling  
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10679 posts, RR: 30
Posted (11 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 15850 times:

British Airways parent IAG is about to place an order for 62 A320ceo and A320neo aircraft for Vueling, plus 58 options. Additionally, the company will secure 100 A320neo options for BA, Iberia and Vueling.

> 30 A320ceo firm for Vueling
> 32 A320neo firm for Vueling
> 58 options for Vueling
> 100 A320neo options for Vueling, British Airways & Iberia

This premature news just came in on Twitter so expect more updates to come.

Source 1 http://twitter.com/FlightDKM/status/367722343373627394
Source 2 http://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/367724591034421248

[Edited 2013-08-14 12:14:22]


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User currently offlinetimboflier215 From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 1322 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (11 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 15810 times:

Good news! With the rate these a/c are selling, I wonder how soon they will take delivery. Not sure how well this will go down with IB employees, where short haul continues to be shrunk....

User currently offlineTheRedBaron From Mexico, joined Mar 2005, 2189 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (11 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 15768 times:

The backlog for SA Airbus aircraft is gigantic... I gives some good footing on opening a new plant in the USA and the rumored second assy line for the A350...

Congrats Airbus

TRB



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User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12382 posts, RR: 47
Reply 3, posted (11 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 15544 times:
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No real surprise that IAG has gone for A320neos. With the options for BA & IB which will certainly be taken, it's another significant order for neo.   


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User currently offlineUA787DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 420 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 15443 times:

Any guesses on the powerplants for these birds? Vueling has a mix of CFM and IAEs on their currents 320s, so this is a good opportunity to consolidate and get common types. Lower costs a bit.

User currently offlinechiad From Norway, joined May 2006, 1131 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 15365 times:

The order could be gigantic!
In addition to the firm order there are options for 58 CEO's and 100 NEO's.
220 frames in total.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10679 posts, RR: 30
Reply 6, posted (11 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 15334 times:

First deliveries will start in 2015.

http://www.abc.es/economia/20130814/...ido-aviones-para-201308142049.html



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User currently offlineQANTASvJet From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2012, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 14326 times:

After years, even decades, when nothing much ever seemed to come out of first BA then IAG, the pace has certainly hotted up. More 787s and A350s for BA, then the possibility of the same for IB, and now up to 220 A320s. Note the way Willie Walsh is playing the IB (and to a lesser extent BA) unions - first by indicating he is ready to expand IB's long haul operations, but only if they stick to his plan, and now by ordering aircraft for Vueling, and with a possible follow-up, but airline for the follow-up to be decided. First the stick, now the carrot.

User currently onlineRevelation From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 12333 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (11 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 14099 times:

Congrats to Airbus and IAG!   

Great orders for a great airplane from a great customer!



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User currently offlinecolumba From Germany, joined Dec 2004, 7057 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (11 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 12642 times:

If that order really happens that means Iberia will loose most of their European and domestic flights to Vueling.


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User currently offlineseahawk From Germany, joined May 2005, 958 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 11893 times:

Which would not be bad. Considering that Iberia means Iberia Express today.

User currently offlineExtra300 From Sweden, joined Sep 2011, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 11797 times:

Airbus har logged a total of 9812 A320 family orders until July 2013. With this order there´s only 126 units left until the remarkable 10.000th order for the A320 family. WOW

User currently offlineFCAFLYBOY From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2006, 587 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 11793 times:

and surely some of those options for IAG will be replacements for the famous BA 734's at LGW

User currently offlineworldrider From Switzerland, joined Nov 2007, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 11592 times:

good good, i have also just read IAG is holding 32 options for the 350-900 and 12 for the 787-9. All that
is meant for Iberia..   


User currently offlineSelseyBill From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2013, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 11076 times:

Quoting columba (Reply 9):
If that order really happens that means Iberia will loose most of their European and domestic flights to Vueling.

Agree. The writing is on the wall for IB's European ops from MAD. Walsh is determined to drag the IB unions kicking and screaming into the new era in aviation, and you can't blame him. Legacy carriers are being eaten alive from below by the low-cost carriers, and from above by the ME3's, and he has to act to keep IAG alive, no matter how many Spaniards he upsets.

Hopefully the overtones of long haul expansion come to fruition, because being a prime pivotal hub for Europe to Central/ South America has to be the backbone for IB's business, in the same way that TATL is for BA.

Quality focus for L/H, low cost base Vueling ops for S/H has to be right for IB. In the long term IB will be much stronger for it.

Wonder how long it will be until we see more Vueling ops from MAD ?


User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3735 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (11 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 10539 times:

I tend to repeat myelf with every new such order, but I am amazed that there are still CEO slots available. I honestly thought the lines would be completely busy until the switch to NEO-only with the flurry of mega orders lately...

[Edited 2013-08-15 02:41:15]


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User currently onlineGCT64 From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2007, 1366 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (11 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 10540 times:

Quoting FCAFLYBOY (Reply 12):
and surely some of those options for IAG will be replacements for the famous BA 734's at LGW

As BA operates about 100 A320 family aircraft from LHR, and they will be the priority for A320NEO replacement from the 100 NEO options (I assume the options will be able to be any of A319NEO/A320NEO/A321NEO with confirmation nearer the time they are built), I suspect LGW is either going to get A319/A320s passed down from LHR or it will change into a VY operation (to better compete with EZY et al). However, in any event, the end of the BA 734s is nigh.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10679 posts, RR: 30
Reply 17, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 10325 times:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 15):
I tend to repeat myelf with every new such order, but I am amazed that there are still CEO slots available. I honestly thought the lines would be completely busy until the switch to NEO-only with the flurry of mega orders lately...

Last February, there were about 300 CEO slots left. The number should be around 100 now, but there are still cancellations to come (like the Kingfisher order).



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User currently offlinebluesky73 From UK - England, joined Oct 2012, 321 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 10237 times:

I don't think we will see many A319Neo, mostly A320Ns and couple dozen A321Ns.

Exciting times for BA/IB/IAG.

Maybe the G-EU** A319/320s will migrate south to LGW over next decade?


User currently offlineparapente From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2006, 1548 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 10224 times:

reply 13
good good, i have also just read IAG is holding 32 options for the 350-900 and 12 for the 787-9. All that
is meant for Iberia..


WHERE??


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10679 posts, RR: 30
Reply 20, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 10198 times:

Quoting parapente (Reply 19):
WHERE??

It was reported in the beginning of the month.

http://oi39.tinypic.com/k3nfat.jpg



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User currently offlinefcogafa From United Kingdom, joined May 2008, 770 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 10200 times:

The company says it has negotiated a "very substantial discount" for the overall deal.

User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3311 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 10134 times:

Quoting fcogafa (Reply 21):
The company says it has negotiated a "very substantial discount" for the overall deal.

That's always the case  


User currently offlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12382 posts, RR: 47
Reply 23, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 10091 times:
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Quoting fcogafa (Reply 21):
The company says it has negotiated a "very substantial discount" for the overall deal.

Hardly a surprise and perfectly normal with the potential order being over 200 units.   



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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4702 posts, RR: 38
Reply 24, posted (11 months 2 weeks ago) and read 9148 times:
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Quoting Revelation (Reply 8):
Congrats to Airbus and IAG!   

Great orders for a great airplane from a great customer!

I can only second that.  .

Quoting scbriml (Reply 23):
Hardly a surprise and perfectly normal with the potential order being over 200 units.   

Indeed it is. Another firm boost for the A320 program and the neo-development.  


25 downtown273 : Good news for Vueling! I hope it does not go down well. As others have said, this order will pretty much put an end to Domestic & European flights
26 par13del : The unemployment situation in the EU is not improving that rapidly to send this mass of jobs overseas. As these are more fuel efficient a/c and much
27 TheRedBaron : Ill keep this post as a reference when the usual: what is better 787 vs A350 ? creep up! TRB
28 col : I think this just leaves AF/KL to decide on NEO, MAX or both?
29 JayBCNLON : Well, let's now hope that Vueling will get its act together: - their systems were not able to produce any customer invoices between June and August (a
30 VV701 : This is what IAG CEO Willie Walsh says on the IAG web site about the Vueling order: "Vueling has managed to successfully expand its business profitab
31 JayBCNLON : Nicely said, but VY's growth comes mainly from the demise of Spanair, which again was rather a political decision by the Spanish government for IB (a
32 Post contains images Markam : As far as I know Spanair ceased operations because of their financial situation and after their last attempt to tie-up with QR fell down, and there w
33 JerseyFlyer : A few questions / thoughts: 1 BA's original A320 family order in the late 1990s was, I think, for up to 188, a mix of orders, options and "commitments
34 KarelXWB : Without, but I don't know why.
35 Post contains links KarelXWB : The press release can be found here: http://www.iairgroup.com/phoenix.zht...rticle_Print&ID=1847786&highlight=
36 Post contains images BaconButty : The US line for the A320 is happening already, and there's no indication on the location of any potential A350 second line . . .
37 AwysBSB : Is there any chance for some VY's A320 obtain ETOPS certification soon? It would be great if IAG resumed FOR (or REC) and made VY compete with OR on A
38 mfc : Vueling's seat pitch varies from 28" to 30", it depends on the plane, they have different configurations depending on where the airplane came from (b
39 JayBCNLON : The Catalonian government was a major shareholder of Spanair through some of its shareholdings. A bridge loan was required for the sale of JK to QR.
40 Post contains links KarelXWB : And finally, here is the Airbus press release: http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/new...62-airbus-a320-family-for-vueling/ [Edited 2013-08-16 05:20:20]
41 JayBCNLON : Thanks this confirms my impressions. I guess the aircraft I was on yesterday AMS-BCN VY8323 was ex-Spanair at 28'', at least that is what the flight
42 mfc : AFAIK they are going to be the same, 180 passengers configuration with 28" seat pitch except for the 3 rows in the front that have a little more. It
43 JayBCNLON : l I think you are absolutely spot on. The Recaro seats of Vueling's ex-Spanair seats are much thicker than those of their A320neo s - both of which I
44 KarelXWB : @JayBCNLON the A320neo has yet to enter service.
45 r2rho : Depends on what happens with IB express, which is currently held up in the courts. Already, regardless of this order, IB does not do non-MAD p2p flyi
46 Lofty : What is interesting is in the IAG Shareholders Meeting pack it says: Resolution 1 “Purchase of 18 Boeing 787 aircraft by British Airways PLC” Reso
47 KarelXWB : IAG also secured 32x A350 and 12x 787 options for IB.
48 jumpjets : You will also note that the general meeting is not approving the options that are taken out either for any of the IAG airlines. If I recall the origi
49 Post contains images lightsaber : Who won the engine order? I would expect it to be highly contested and possibly even split, though most likely with one vendor. Ok... They have the pr
50 KarelXWB : An engine choice will be announced later.
51 lightsaber : I'm not surprised. Make them bid against each other. IMHO, this will be a tough fought for order. Lightsaber
52 mfc : Vueling operates from MAD to limited destinations, such as BCN, IBZ, FLR, FCO, CDG, MAH a little more. I say limited because they are limited at MAD
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