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A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 13  
User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2752 posts, RR: 4
Posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 61384 times:
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Hi All,

The previous thread became long so Part 13 is being created.

Part 12 can be found here A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 12 (by wilco737 Jun 12 2013 in Civil Aviation)

Regards,
Pat


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10667 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (11 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 60499 times:

I'm afraid - but nut sure - that this is the tailfin of MSN4, spotted in Hamburg today.


A350 Fin and A380 by XFW-Spotter, on Flickr

[Edited 2013-08-20 09:51:05]


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User currently onlinestarbucks From Netherlands, joined Feb 2013, 662 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (11 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 60356 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 1):
I'm afraid - but nut sure - that this is the tailfin of MSN4, spotted in Hamburg today.

If you look at the original size photo, you can see a "04" through the white sheets covering the tail fin... on the "bottom" of the fin

//Edit, I took a screenshot:
Big version: Width: 1270 Height: 924 File size: 1299kb


[Edited 2013-08-20 10:23:12]


A350 logbook: http://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AlVgPnmHLOovdFdzbVlyQzhYNDhCb1VFN1RkYXkwV3c&output=html
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10667 posts, RR: 30
Reply 3, posted (11 months 1 week ago) and read 59949 times:

Nicely spotted, thanks.

The tailfin will be attached in station 40, we can assume that MSN4 is in station 50 for fuselage join now. It should move to station 40 next month and join MSN2 in station 30 at the end of September or early October (it took MSN2 just under 8 weeks from arrival in TLS to station 30 transfer).

First time 2 A350s will be together in station 30.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10667 posts, RR: 30
Reply 4, posted (11 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 59248 times:

Some useful information about the first flight of Cabin0 can be found here:

http://www.ausbt.com.au/airbus-a350-makes-its-first-virtual-flight



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10667 posts, RR: 30
Reply 5, posted (11 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 58816 times:

I have some good news, MSN4 is in station 40 since August 19.


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User currently offlineaviaponcho From France, joined Aug 2011, 611 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (11 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 58763 times:

Thanks Karel
Did you have a date for station 50 and MSN4 ?


User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2800 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (11 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 58611 times:

Quoting aviaponcho (Reply 6):
Did you have a date for station 50 and MSN4 ?

If we don't get it 5 days before is a safe bet, was so for MSN003. Good info Karel, lets see how long it takes until MSN004 is in S30, last I have is MSN002, took 48 days from S50 to S30 so say 30-40 days forward, end Sept we shall have MSN004 entering S30 and MSN003 going to flight test.



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User currently offlineaviaponcho From France, joined Aug 2011, 611 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (11 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 58581 times:

Ferpe MSN4 receives cabin monument at station 50, might be a little longer than MSN003 maybe ?

User currently offlineaviaponcho From France, joined Aug 2011, 611 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (11 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 58505 times:

For MSN2 I have FAL50 : 13/06, Station 30 : 26/07, so a tad longer than for MSN3 (18/02 -> 15/03)

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10667 posts, RR: 30
Reply 10, posted (11 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 58455 times:

Quoting aviaponcho (Reply 8):
Ferpe MSN4 receives cabin monument at station 50

MSN4 won't have a cabin, it's a light weight test instrument aircraft.

Quoting aviaponcho (Reply 6):
Did you have a date for station 50 and MSN4 ?

I'll ask   The aft fuselage had arrived on August 7 so station 59 and 50 all happened in just 12 days.

[Edited 2013-08-23 02:40:10]


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User currently offlineaviaponcho From France, joined Aug 2011, 611 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 58294 times:

Oups
Thank you Karel...


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10667 posts, RR: 30
Reply 12, posted (11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 58078 times:

Airbus just teased us with this picture on Twitter:

http://twitter.com/Airbus/status/370869627640741888

Any idea if this is MSN2 or 4, or another wheel set?

[Edited 2013-08-23 05:50:44]


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User currently offlineaviaponcho From France, joined Aug 2011, 611 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 58003 times:

No A350
Can someone read the tire markings ?


User currently onlinestarbucks From Netherlands, joined Feb 2013, 662 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 57975 times:

It's no A350 I think and it doesn't have the tilt of the A330... I'd say the wing gear of an A380


A350 logbook: http://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AlVgPnmHLOovdFdzbVlyQzhYNDhCb1VFN1RkYXkwV3c&output=html
User currently offlineA380900 From France, joined Dec 2003, 1101 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 57941 times:

Sorry I'm not here very often but can someone give a quick update on when the next A350 will take to he skies?

User currently onlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 631 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 57905 times:

Due around the start of September - so quite soon if they are still on schedule.

User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2800 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (11 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 57779 times:

Quoting StTim (Reply 16):
Due around the start of September

Change that to planned end of September for MSN003, here the complete rollout plan for the test airplanes:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm262/ferpe_bucket/flighttestprogram_zps1611e5fd.jpg



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10667 posts, RR: 30
Reply 18, posted (11 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 57686 times:

MSN3 is in the C63 hangar since August 8, it should have its engines attached by now. I expect indoor ground tests are currently in progress.


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User currently offlineBogi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 57620 times:

Airbus team leader, Christian Binder:

German: "Wir rechnen damit, dass wir ihn (test jet MSN2) um den Jahreswechsel fliegen sehen."

http://mobil.abendblatt.de/hamburg/h...cc=0&emvAD=320x480&nbcol=0|unknown

Translated with Google:

"We expect that we him (test jet MSN2) flying will see around the new year."

[Edited 2013-08-23 07:43:01]

User currently offlineaviaponcho From France, joined Aug 2011, 611 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (11 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 57557 times:

I think he's speaking of MSN2 1st cabin equipped A350

So it's Ok with Ferpe's #reply17 planning


User currently onlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 631 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 57541 times:

Oops - I sqinted up that slide to the wrong month.      

User currently offlineairmagnac From Germany, joined Apr 2012, 303 posts, RR: 44
Reply 22, posted (11 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 57535 times:

Quoting aviaponcho (Reply 20):
he's speaking of MSN2 1st cabin equipped A350

So it's Ok with Ferpe's #reply17 planning


Indeed he is...I had an "oh sh*t !" moment for a second there  
.

"Der dritte Testjet wird mit einer vollständigen Kabinenausstattung abheben. "Wir rechnen damit, dass wir ihn um den Jahreswechsel fliegen sehen.""

the third test aircraft with a full cabin fitting = MSN2
MSN3 is the second test aircraft to be completed and fly



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10667 posts, RR: 30
Reply 23, posted (11 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 57517 times:

Quoting Bogi (Reply 19):
"We expect that we him (test jet MSN3) flying will see around the new year."

Not correct translated. It says "The third testjet will take off with a full cabin interior. We expect that we will see him flying around the New Year."

The third testbed is MSN2, not MSN3. The order is MSN1 -> MSN3 -> MSN2 -> MSN4 -> MSN5.

/edit

airmagnac was faster.

[Edited 2013-08-23 07:48:52]


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10667 posts, RR: 30
Reply 24, posted (11 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 57476 times:

Section 19 for MSN5 has been spotted today in Hamburg.


A350 part section 19 MSN005 by XFW-Spotter, on Flickr



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25 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : The tailfin of MSN4 was transported to TLS today. A300-600ST Beluga by XFW-Spotter, on Flickr It flew with the second Beluga, registration F-GSTB. I
26 Post contains images ferpe : Great, now keep an eye on the complete tail section of MSN005 and we can then get the entry for P59 for the last prototype .
27 KarelXWB : It should be ready soon as FAL start is scheduled for the beginning of October. BTW capturing the arrival of this MSN5 section is very important, it
28 Post contains links and images ferpe : Speaking on schedules I tried to go into the latest A schedule pictures we have to see if one could read out anything more, yes you could, several th
29 KarelXWB : Yes I noticed it too. Not sure what to think about it. Given the assembly status of MSN2 (it's already one month in station 30), I expect it to fly be
30 angmoh : I am suspecting that there is a difference between "First Flight" and "Flight Testing" - 2 different terms are used on both slides. It would not be s
31 Post contains images ferpe : It is a good observation, only problem is that it goes in the wrong direction. Evrards slide says F/T ie when the frame gets in the hands of the test
32 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : MSN3 at station 18 in the beginning of August. Source http://alexcheban.livejournal.com/152096.html
33 aviaponcho : Looking at evrard slide it shows msn1 ff in july So he's got some margins for sure and should be aware that ff could occure sooner So evrard slides ha
34 Post contains images KarelXWB : Wonder if MSN3 also have some margin than, maybe it will fly a bit sooner. You meant SAS instead of Finnair? Or do you have some slides which I haven'
35 Post contains links and images ferpe : As the aircraft, engines and main systems all seem to perform without major problems (in fact it seems to go very well ) the focus now can turn to the
36 KarelXWB : So where can we apply for the MSN2 flight(s), I assume Airbus will use volunteers? I know they did it with the A380.[Edited 2013-08-26 09:58:17]
37 Post contains links ferpe : Sorry about the link in my post about the APEX blog, this should be the correct one: http://blog.apex.aero/cabin-interior...y-successful-cabin-virtual
38 zeke : They were CX crew back in late July. The simulated flight was from Tenerife to Hamburg including a normal meal service heated in the galley.
39 bigsmile : With A380 it was Airbus Employees only, selected via a prize draw for those that were interested. It will be the same for A350.
40 Post contains images airmagnac : I may have to suggest a slight re-wording of that There has always been a strive to check out as much as possible before the flight tests begin, with
41 Post contains images airmagnac : it was the same for CVFF, also open to interns and maybe temp staff (if any of you want to apply for an intership before the MSN2 flights... ) Sadly
42 KarelXWB : Thanks, one could only hope.
43 ferpe : Thanks Airmagnac for chipping in and putting things in perspective, somehow one get the feeling that the revised strategy has worked. We don't have a
44 Post contains images airmagnac : A lot of work, a lot of stress, a lot of pressure on a lot of people, and still a long way to go and many things that could be done a lot better. But
45 Post contains links and images ferpe : There is even more about the Cabin 0 "flight" and the CX crew in the A350 blog, this is a transcript of this article: http://www.ausbt.com.au/airbus-a
46 StTim : I must say I was hoping activity around TLS would have been much higher as MSN0003 and MSN0002 move through the line. MSN0003 must now be close to pai
47 KarelXWB : There isn't much to as long as they're inside a hangar.[Edited 2013-08-29 00:31:23]
48 KarelXWB : Earlier this week, Airbus successfully installed the cabin crew area on MSN2.
49 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : And here is MSN2:
50 Post contains images EPA001 : Great to here that news.
51 Post contains links Bogi : http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/pressroom/high-res-photos[Edited 2013-08-31 06:34:57]
52 KarelXWB : That's a Lufthansa A380..
53 Post contains links and images ferpe : What one can nicely see is the grey fin (for customer logos?) and the SAT communications antenna, wonder which supplier they will use for the coms ar
54 Post contains images KarelXWB : Here are a few more pictures of MSN2. Unfortunately they are not high-res. [Edited 2013-09-01 02:26:54]
55 aviaponcho : Hello Ferpe : Grey fin = Special livery coming in ... (source Helimax). And As I understand it's a corporate special one
56 Post contains images ferpe : Well grey as a base has to do with a certain launch customer doesn't it
57 starbucks : Could be that indeed, but as Aviaponcho says "corporate special" I'm thinking something with Airbus Group which will start forming from Jan. 2014...
58 aviaponcho : Usually the tail comes in fully painted... So, why not a special one ? There might be some Qatar's livery element, if it's a patchwork of customers...
59 knoxibus : The tailfin is already painted with the special livery (you will have to wait a while for it). What was done is to cover it with this special greyish/
60 Post contains images starbucks : This I hate... At least 3 more months of waiting left I guess, or will it fly with the grey covers??
61 KarelXWB : Thanks, I had a suspicion that it looks like some sort of cover.
62 Post contains links and images aviaponcho : Thanks Knoxibus ! Can we ask if it's a "corporate livery" or a patchwork of customer ? It will be fine to have something like that http://upload.wikim
63 KarelXWB : The A350 blog claims MSN3 will be painted next week.
64 Aircellist : Any guesses on the time between roll-out from paint shop to first flight?
65 ferpe : It is in the article, MSN003 is expected to fly end of Sept.
66 knoxibus : Brand new set of wings have arrived in TLS it seems.
67 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Must be the wings for MSN5. Wings arrive ~ 1 month in advance because they need preparation. [Edited 2013-09-05 06:55:15]
68 ferpe : Must then be for MSN004, it should be entering S40 around this time (actually earlier according to the time schedule but I think we have had a delay
69 aviaponcho : Ferpe I've got MSN4 in S40 since 19/08 Don't know if i'm right
70 Post contains images ferpe : I think that was a rumor that was not verified, all I have seen was that MSN004 was almost a month late into S50 and would be entering S40 sometime e
71 aviaponcho : For sure ... I'll check my sources
72 Post contains links and images starbucks : Interesting video released by Airbus on Youtube... Fabrice Bregier talking about his first flight on the A350 He calls it "Still quite week" could we
73 aviaponcho : Hum hum I've read some twitts this week suggesting that aeroflot was rethinking its order (not cancelling, but adjusting variant choice... i think) So
74 Post contains images Speedbored : He actually said "Still a quiet week". I'd be very surprised if he would ever call the A350 "quite weak". That means something very different. [Edite
75 ap305 : For me, key words from that video- "so far so good"
76 Post contains images KarelXWB : So they didn't use the escape hatch for ... MSN1 will also visit RR in the UK. Excellent news, this also means the long-awaited ramp-up to 1 frame pe
77 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : And it still amazes me what a relaxed person Fabrice is. Sunglasses, hands on his back, no tie, sitting there as a regular guy.
78 ferpe : He seems to be a person which is very much on top of his game, confident, relaxed yet knowledable and very approachable. He has also had a very good s
79 Post contains links KarelXWB : Well, John also seems more relaxed since Tom left for EADS. By reading this article, John will likely continue to work until his body decides to stop
80 Post contains links KarelXWB : Here's the article: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...mending-a350-order-details-390120/
81 tortugamon : I assume most people think Aeroflot will take A359s instead? They still have 12 77Ws on order so I am not sure if A351s make sense unless they cancel
82 Post contains images Speedbored : I agree that it could be nothing but it's a lot more fun speculating about the possibility that something more interesting might be afoot. I can't he
83 Post contains links and images ferpe : There is a good article by Jens Flottau in AW that gives info about the test lfight program but also some hints about the A350 program in general: htt
84 Post contains images starbucks : This is interesting... Typo or is flying progressing so well that 4 aircraft will be enough??
85 KarelXWB : Assembly of the first 5 prototypes, flight testing and certification seems to be on track. The real challenge will be the production ramp-up, which i
86 Speedbored : Could it be that one of the 5 test frames will be used for route proving rather than certification?
87 Post contains links and images starbucks : That would be MSN5, but that one also has ETOPS certification behind her name... Don't know what has changed since this slide, but here all 5 prototy
88 ferpe : I think it is a slip, Jens was speaking to the Airbus test flight department, could it be that MSN005 is handeled by some other department (delivery ?
89 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : It must be a slip, or he did meant something else. Anyway, the last aircraft won't do much test flying. Here's are the A380 flying hours: > A380 MS
90 Post contains links KarelXWB : About the A350-800, we have finally an answer why Airbus keeps saying the -1000 is the next project: http://twitter.com/FlightDKM/status/3763792914347
91 tortugamon : It will be interesting to watch what comes next. I don't think I have heard an Airbus executive say anything nice about the A358 in multiple years an
92 TheRedBaron : This is the post of the week ...I agree 100%. I bet Airbus will offer a very attractive A330 and continue to the A351 asap, that will give a serious
93 BoeingVista : Nope, if the -1000 is to be moved up there are long lead time items that would have to be being produced now including engines and they simply are no
94 tortugamon : I am not saying that the A351 will be moved up. tortugamon
95 KarelXWB : The A350-900 will EIS next year, and the first A350-1000 should fly for the first time in 2016. So if Airbus continues with the -800 as we know it tod
96 tortugamon : Three first flights over four years would be impressive even if the NEO wasn't it the picture. Looking forward to seeing it come together. tortugamon
97 Post contains images EPA001 : Yes it is. . I am with you on that one, as are many other aviation enthusiasts. .[Edited 2013-09-09 03:59:14]
98 NAV20 : I'm frankly surprised that anyone thinks that the A358 will be the next cab off the rank? Airbus started not with the smallest variant but with the 'm
99 Stitch : Airbus offered them, but no customer was interested. The delay to 2016 was not for technical reasons, but lack of customer interest per Airbus manage
100 sassiciai : What sort of keyboard do you have? All your sentences end with a question mark! It is quite disconcerting, especially when I disagree with your posts
101 Post contains links KarelXWB : The article is now available on Flightglobal, re-confirming that the A350-800 is the next family member to fly. http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art..
102 Post contains images NAV20 : Not sure exactly what you mean about question-marks, sassicuai........... Thanks for the new information, KarelXWB. Guess I was just plain wrong. Min
103 StTim : Tweeted today David KaminskiMorrow ‏@FlightDKM 4m #A350 MSN4 has undergone fuselage join on final assembly line #airbus[Edited 2013-09-09 09:53:29]
104 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : The wings were indeed for MSN4. An upper wing cover for MSN5 was spotted in Hamburg today. A350 part by XFW-Spotter, on Flickr[Edited 2013-09-09 09:5
105 Post contains images Bigsmile : MSN005 is currently in Broughton, due in Bremen in next few weeks That would most likely be Upper Wing Cover for MSN007 or 008.
106 Stitch : Ar worse, putting the A350-800 into service as a straight-shrink is making lemonade from lemons. I mean it's not like Airbus really had a choice, her
107 KarelXWB : Thanks Bigsmile. This means the wings should arrive in station 40 by mid-November, about 1 month after FAL start of MSN5. Seems like MSN5 is on track
108 BaconButty : When Airbus had the early slots you refer to on offer Airlines did order the -800. It's later that the orders dried up/were converted. Speaking gener
109 Post contains images Revelation : I kind of like lemonade! From what we've been hearing it seems Airbus will not have a problem getting the A350-800 to EIS and I personally don't doub
110 Post contains links and images ferpe : The A350 flight tests are going well, both as to what we can see (it flies when it is not being refitted for tests) but also according tot the Airbus
111 Post contains links ap305 : A detailed update in this article about present progress http://www.aviationbusiness.com.au/n...b-test-program-remains-on-schedule "MSN003 – which i
112 KarelXWB : MSN3 outdoor ground tests were completed by mid-August, before going back to the C63 hangar for engine attachment. That's almost a month ago.
113 Ruscoe : Ultimately the success or otherwise of the 350 program, will depend upon its performance and that Airbus can sell it with sufficient margin, not how
114 ap305 : So I guess it's in the paint shop now
115 KarelXWB : We should hear more about the airframe performance after the aero configuration has been frozen. The A350 blog claims that MSN3 should be in paint th
116 Bigsmile : Should have gone in today for Paint, with planned handover to the Flight Test Department when it comes out next week.
117 KarelXWB : Won't be long before we have two A350s in the air. Exciting days.
118 Post contains images ferpe : Thanks Bigsmile, if the flight test department gets it hands on it next week it should fly end of Sept as planned. Guess Bregier was sandbagging a bi
119 KarelXWB : It's always good to have some room. If MSN3 slips from September 30 to October 1, people will say "it's delayed" while the opposite is always good "i
120 BoeingVista : I think that should read attachment not assembly, the wings and stabs for MSN004 are completed and already at the FAL.
121 Post contains links ferpe : We have one answer to Scott Hamilton by a Airbus spokesperson that performance is meeting spec, you can find the quote up-thread. More than that we d
122 Post contains images bobmuc : My are clearly going for a FF of MSN03 well into the last full week of September. They were able to do the fly-by in Le Bourget, and doing nearly dou
123 Post contains links KarelXWB : And here's the source of that article: http://www.airbus.com/no_cache/newse...-are-preparing-to-join-the-flight/
124 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Another set of elevators have been delivered. http://twitter.com/Airbus/status/379504521178660865/photo/1
125 bobmuc : MSN003 is now in the paint hangar since one week, or has somebody spotted it outside in Toulouse? Will we see the standard Airbus painting or anything
126 KarelXWB : Should be the same livery as MSN1.
127 ferpe : The only one which seems to have some livery stuff up the sleeve is MSN004 which will be flying after new year, it has it's fin livery covered in easi
128 Post contains images KarelXWB : Nope, it's MSN2
129 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : The internet is flooded with pictures of the A330 assembly process, except for station 20: those are scarce. I found this picture of an A330 in statio
130 KarelXWB : Now the question is: where is MSN3? knoxibus? bigsmile?
131 ap305 : Yes, MSN1 took just 6 days... I guess we could see her today or tomorrow.[Edited 2013-09-19 18:13:13][Edited 2013-09-19 18:13:58]
132 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : The Beluga with registration F-GSTD just departed to Bremen, carrying the port wing for MSN5.
133 Post contains links bobmuc : Hello all, a new video from Airbus: http://videos.airbus.com/video/ea7f56ee5dfs.html Airbus’ A350 XWB is unifying “one family” of the company’
134 Post contains images EPA001 : Indeed. Thanks for sharing.
135 Post contains links j22 : Hi All, If you are willing to dig there is some nice pictures of the A350 and its related IT infrastructure in today's morning keynote at Oracle Open
136 Post contains links j22 : The video showing the A350XWB is here, and starts to be interesting at the 20:50 mark. Regards
137 Unflug : Thanks for that link! Interesting how better and faster data analysis helps to speed up testing.
138 kmz : Mark Hurd is talking about 100.000 data sensors per aircraft (23:12 mark)...I have difficulties believing this. Fabrice talks about 600.000 'data', h
139 Post contains links and images ferpe : In the test thread there is a link to the Airbus global market forecast gathering in London today. At 27 minutes and 33:50 Lehay says the flight test
140 Post contains images ap305 : I was the one that linked to the video and its only at the 27 minute mark that there is talk of the a350. At 33:50 its just Mr Leahy's travel plans .
141 Post contains links ferpe : The A350-1000 engine is making progress, here a status report: http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....d_09_26_2013_p01-01-620502.xml&p=1 The engin
142 rheinwaldner : I think the exception have been those that didn't hit spec at EIS. E.g. I don't think there is a single Airbus model, that did not hit spec at EIS. T
143 Post contains links KarelXWB : Now David from Flightglobal confirmed the roll out of MSN3. http://twitter.com/FlightDKM/status/383270489327558656
144 airmagnac : There are a lot of sensors indeed, what with all the proximity sensors on all the various valves and doors, the temperature sensors, flow measurement
145 Post contains images A380900 : So can we see a pic of the second plane somewhere?
146 starbucks : Not yet unfortunately, it seems every spotter has missed it until now...
147 KarelXWB : And unfortunately Airbus hasn't released a picture yet.
148 Post contains links and images ferpe : This might be the reason for MSN003 hiding, the new tail logo: Was announced as a rendering on twitter today. Edit: I realize there is nothing new, wh
149 Post contains links KarelXWB : Airbus did it before on September 18: http://twitter.com/Airbus/status/380291233907625984 Nothing special.
150 starbucks : Wouldn't call it "nothing special" I can't do it... :P But indeed they are "just" artist expressions of the A350...
151 Post contains images KarelXWB : Oops, I meant not relevant for this production thread. Hope I not get lynched by artist Brian Grimwood
152 Post contains images ferpe : Absolutely, the reason I jumped the gun was that it is pretty certain now that the tail of MSN002 is carrying the new Airbus group logo, I interprete
153 Post contains links and images ferpe : Tortugamon had this post in the flight test thread, I would like to move the dicsussion here as it is mainly about the production ramp up and delivery
154 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Airbus schedule shows it should fly in the beginning of October. Also MSN4 was in body join by mid-August which is not late according to the same sch
155 Post contains images ferpe : I complemented my post with this schedule as well. You are right, MSN003 was shown to start flying early October. In the German forum that you modera
156 Post contains images tortugamon : I have to think that an EIS of the first quarter of 2015 and a solid ramp up with little travelling work outside of the first dozen or so would be vi
157 Post contains links KarelXWB : I looked for the origin of the September schedule, apparently it was the A350 blog who claimed this. But Airbus schedule always showed first flight i
158 Aviaponcho : For the first airline, delivery and eis can be a month or more apart They (Qatar) need time to train pilots, cabin and ground crew So first revenue fl
159 KarelXWB : Delivery can happen around one month after EASA certification. The 787 was certified on August 26, 2011 and the first delivery was on September 25, o
160 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : And here's MSN3, registered F-WZGG. Source http://www.bloga350.blogspot.nl/2013...nd-flight-test-prototype-msn3.html
161 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : There's a nice picture of MSN1 in the database: View Large View MediumPhoto © AlphaSierra - Roma Spotters Club
162 Speedbored : Am I seeing things or does MSN3 have a tail-skid attached as well? Why would that be? I thought they were planning the VMU tests with MSN1.
163 StTim : It does look like it. Maybe it is just redundancy - in case there are issues with MSN0001.
164 KarelXWB : MSN3 is identical to MSN1, Airbus can swap the aircraft in case they need to. Hence the tail skid.
165 transaeroyyz : Do I see 12 pitot tubes, is this a new upgraded airspeed monitoring system, looks prety fail safe, and are they ever gonna lose the eyeliner and revea
166 KarelXWB : Guess we won't find out until MSN6 is in paint.
167 tortugamon : I wonder if some of those pitots are a result of the new nose cone shape and different aeros. tortugamon
168 Aircellist : Interesting side-by-side view of the tails of an aircraft and its predecessors. The VTP is more inclined backwards, more "pointed" (narrower at the t
169 Post contains images ferpe : I made the same observation, it is a very nice photo, we should have had them lined up like 330, 340 and 350 however . Well you can't get everything.
170 Post contains links airmagnac : Not all are pitot tubes See Probes On Nose Of A350XWB (by hivue May 14 2013 in Tech Ops) The A380 had already received a completly overhauled air dat
171 teme82 : Just out of curiosity. Who is the first European airline to operate A350?
172 KarelXWB : I believe Finnair will be first in 2015.
173 Post contains links and images starbucks : Correct, at least they say it in this video they released today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0z5GXwasrMs //Edit: at 2:39 if you're only interested
174 ZEDZAG : And what about TP or SU(if you count it as European airline)?
175 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : MSN2 is making progress. After the crew rest areas and other big areas were being installed since August, Airbus started installing the panel windows
176 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Full-scale nose section structure of an A350 on display on 2013 Paris Airshow: View Large View MediumPhoto © Yu Cai
177 Aircellist : No, no, since the A330 and A340 are almost the same, having the A350 interspersed allows for a better way to figure relative sizes.
178 Post contains images ferpe : Those windows makes it look like some extraterrestrial monster from a horror movie
179 Post contains images Aircellist : Yup However, this view clearly shows the A380 lineage, as opposed to the racoon mask which hides it.
180 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Alright, MSN3 is back on the flightline. She must have finished the indoor tests like MSN1 did after roll out from paint. Next step should be APU run
181 ferpe : She is cleaner than MSN001 ie lacking the protruding cameras and such. That is why she will be used for performance testing, they will get the proof
182 KarelXWB : Don't know about TP, but SU has been pushed back to 2018.
183 Post contains links KarelXWB : Related to the production, Airbus will duplícate the A350 HTP boxes assembly line in Puerto Real by 2015. http://www.bloga350.blogspot.nl/2013...ll-d
184 Post contains links and images ferpe : An interesting piece is the delivery info in the article: “This year we will be delivering to Getafe site between 8 and 9 HTP boxes, but the coming
185 Post contains images starbucks : MSN3 doing runs again.. Looked like movement from Bikini, but she disappeared as soon as I noticed her Hexcode for the radartrackers: 38935B, callsign
186 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Google Maps has been updated and now shows the A50 building. Previous: Today: It will eventually be used to house more station 30/40 positions.
187 Post contains links KarelXWB : A video of MSN3: http://youtu.be/qlVBPY-nSdM
188 Post contains links Pihero : Found this article while surfing on the net for the A350 wing features. Quite interesting as it talks about the benefit of Airbus fuselmage panel cons
189 Post contains images EPA001 : Very, very interesting. . Thanks for posting this article which shows how fast technology is progressing in building civilian airliners. And how many
190 Post contains links KarelXWB : MSN2 is outside at station 18. http://twitter.com/TLSWatch/status/387889254132895744
191 Post contains images EPA001 : Good news. Another sign of the fact that the A350-XWB program is progressing very well. .
192 KarelXWB : Assembly is clearly speeding up. MSN2 was loaded in station 30 on July 28, that's 2 months and 2 weeks ago. Just FYI, MSN3 spent 3 months and 1 week i
193 Post contains images r2rho : Indeed, one thing that frequently goes unnoticed is that the A380 was, from a systems & avionics architecture point of view, a huge leap with res
194 EPA001 : Don't forget some lessons from the A400M and the lessons learned from the way Boeing has executed the B787 and B748 programs. All that work and lesso
195 Post contains images ferpe : Don't want to spoil anything but this paper and conclusions has been overtaken by progress in tapelaying technology since this project. The project,
196 ferpe : Guys, looking a bit on manufacturing times, do we know where MSN004 is right now? Should be going into S30 any day now, shouldn't it? (I have S40 taki
197 KarelXWB : It should be in S30 now.
198 Millenium : By this you mean identical to P40A/B and P30X/Y stations in the M50 building? (I guess these are the one you call S40 and S30) P40A or B station in t
199 ferpe : I don't think it is that easy, you have to look at the time spent in the different stations. S40 (wing, VTP/HTP join, fuselage power on) takes about
200 Millenium : So twice the time in S30 compared to S40 Then this makes a lot of sense and really covers the A350 production without hindering A330 production. Than
201 Post contains links KarelXWB : See http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....e-xml/awx_10_23_2012_p0-509673.xml This was also explained by ferpe in this post. In other words, the new A
202 Millenium : So Airbus seems to have some wiggle room with the two station 30 positions in the current M50 building and the C63 hangar (Although C63 is probably j
203 Post contains links ferpe : I remembered that Airbus had a site where they stated the throughput times when in full production and that I posted this in some thread, here it is
204 KarelXWB : C63 is temporarily, everything is new and needs extensive testing. I believe there are around 10 station 20 positions, which means they can only stay
205 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : And here's MSN2: MSN002 Airbus A350-900 by DigitalAirliners.com, on Flickr A350 MSN002 Tail Closeup by DigitalAirliners.com, on Flickr
206 ap305 : Is that an un liveried winglet as well?
207 KarelXWB : Well spotted. Indeed, the winglet is unpainted too. Now we just have to wait a few months before we can see the new livery.
208 starbucks : Well the new Airbus livery have always been speculation, now that I see it I'm leaning more to a special "carbon" livery with all the black and grey
209 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Alright, here it is: bend your head a bit to the right and look closely: http://twitter.com/curufinwexiane/status/388041395597881344
210 Aviaponcho : So what do you see? Too late for me
211 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : You can see "A350" from the top to the bottom, vertical. In fact, it's the same like the old Boeing 787 livery: Boeing 787 Dreamliner N787FT by tsuno_
212 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Here poncho, I made a drawing. Look again: And compare:
213 Focker : If you take a very close look at the original picture on Flickr it does not seem unpainted to me but covered up exactly the same way as the tail is.
214 Post contains images Focker : You draw like my 4-year old Karel!
215 Post contains images KarelXWB : Anyway, this A330 picture should give us an idea about the revised livery:
216 Post contains images Aviaponcho : Thanks Karel, One you draw it, it's obvious
217 Post contains images ferpe : Great stuff , did not know you were into image processing. After your hints it is clear to see .
218 Post contains links and images ferpe : To get some help with dates in FAL here a summary what I have noted so far + some estimates what can be the dates going forward based on the Flight te
219 KarelXWB : Nice job ferpe. I have MSN4 in P50 on August 19. And the first wing for MSN5 arrived in Bremen on September 20.
220 ferpe : Ok, thanks. I choose P50 as the starting point for counting FAL days as P59 is not suited, the sections arrive very spread out to P59, it is a mix of
221 Millenium : Yes very nice job, I just have a question about P20 time. Does this time include actual time in P20 + painting + delivery of frame to flight test tea
222 Post contains images KarelXWB : I think that's fair. However, in the future, all parts except for the wings should arrive at the same time in P59. Monument installation should take
223 ferpe : Yes it does, it is not strictly correct, it is P20 + outside preparation time for first flight like APU run, engine runs and taxi tests. If I remembe
224 KarelXWB : Outside ground tests are P18, it took 3 weeks for MSN1 and about 2 weeks for MSN3 (dates were posted in the previous threads). MSN2 is just outside, l
225 ferpe : Thought so, my 7 days are not correct, do you have the dates?
226 KarelXWB : > P18 roll out: July 25 > Visit to the A380 flightline for more tests: August 4 > Moved back to P18: August 5 > Move to C63: August 8 Tha
227 ap305 : I am not sure but are these new photos of msn4? https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.610494205655269.1073741855.136295689741792&type=1
228 Post contains images KarelXWB : Nice catch ap305 !
229 Post contains images ferpe : Great ap305 (I leave the kissing to Karel ), so MSN004 was in P40 15 hours ago. Seems the factory tours are passing the A350 halls now, need to get o
230 Post contains images ap305 : Yes- Karel's probably fainted in excitement now from seeing msn 4 . Is this on schedule (i have not followed the earlier posts) or should msn4 be in
231 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Indeed, they even installed information boards for the visitors: We can also see one of the P50 positions being empty: If MSN5 was in the other P50 p
232 KarelXWB : I expected MSN4 to be in P30 already, but that was a bit too ambitious of me. Looking at the dates of the previous A350s (5 weeks between P40 and P30
233 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Here, I point them out: Pylons are one of the last big components to be installed in P40.
234 Post contains links and images Aircellist : Also reminiscent of the former prototype colors… View Large View MediumPhoto © Bernard Charles (Art-Avia)
235 PW100 : Has it already been established/confirmed that A350 production rate will be increased to 13 per month? Intersting tidbit in Flight International print
236 KarelXWB : Thanks, that's the 2nd hint. The wing plant in Broughton previous said "could eventually ramp up to 13 shipsets per month", I take this as a hint.[Edi
237 Post contains links airmagnac : I think 13/month has always been the intended stable production rate http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-a350-xwbs-a-month-by-2016-214472/ http://
238 KarelXWB : I assume the supply chain and assembly line was build with a rate of 13 frames per month in mind, but the latest plan was to produce 10 A350s per mon
239 airmagnac : I understood it as reaching the 10/month mark in 2018, but with no indication of not aiming for the 13/month rate afterwards. So more of a readjustme
240 KarelXWB : Fair enough, indeed they never said to stop at 10.
241 Post contains images airmagnac : I just googled around a bit, and I must say the various articles on the topic are a bit vague. But a difference of 3/month represents a huge investmen
242 Post contains images ferpe : Given what we see in orders and backlog which is growing all the time I can see a certain Leahy pounding the table for 13 or better , Airbus must be
243 KarelXWB : It is very important to increase production for the -1000 IMO. The current planned rate of 3 per month is just ridiculous, it means the jet is already
244 Aircellist : … So much for downloading the thread, going to work without finishing reading it and then posting, much later, without refreshing…
245 trent900 : So true, especially when I'm on my old iphone. Any chance of a Part 14 please? D.
246 moo : Does anyone have an inkling as to when MSN3 wll fly, or have I missed that already?
247 Post contains links and images trent900 : A guess would be any time now. MSN3 carried out a couple of high speed runs this morning. See the test thread - A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Par
248 Millenium : Do you have any plans of keeping your summary on line like the A350 test doc below? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlVgPnmHLOovdFdzbVly
249 Post contains images EPA001 : Which will hurt future sales campaigns. Like Stitch said in another thread: never underestimate the power of availability. . I am sure the department
250 PW100 : Actually, I think the copyright holder is Astuteman (at least on Anet), but it seems that different laws prevail where he uses that phrase mostly . .
251 Post contains images EPA001 : I know my friend Astuteman has posted that multiple times, and every time he has been proven right. But I picked Stitch this time because he made tha
252 Post contains links Pihero : @ Millenium ( Post # 248 : Here it is : A350 Test Doc Spreadsheet
253 PW100 : Yes, I'm pretty much aware of that. That must be why you both appear on my RU list . . .
254 tortugamon : It does appear that current demand for aircraft that size is above 8/month. Due to the new aircraft's promised fuel savings, early on in the producti
255 KarelXWB : Indeed, and with an 777X line which will be able to assemble around 10 jets per month (depending on demand) means Boeing will have 3 times more avail
256 Post contains images tortugamon : Yes. We have had only one widebody family being produced at 10/month (A330) and one family doing three lengths at one time (A343, A345, A346 [four if
257 ferpe : You are in the right place, we will ask the Mods to change the name on the thread to A350 prototypes "and" production thread, we will see the first p
258 Post contains links and images ferpe : There is a picture from 2 days ago showing a A350 in the S30 station, it can only be MSN004 as MSN002 has been on S18 since early this week. So then w
259 Post contains links KarelXWB : I saw it on Twitter but thought it was S40? http://twitter.com/HMARicketts/status/388397419513528321/photo/1[Edited 2013-10-12 13:34:12]
260 Post contains images ferpe : Yes, I thought so to but S40 does not have a wall behind it, it has S50 visible, ie you should be able to see the S50 jigs behind MSN004 if it was S4
261 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : You're right, this is S30. The fuselage join tools etc are missing. For comparison: here's MSN1 in S30 (S30A to be precise, MSN4 is in S30B): Also fro
262 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Another way is looking for the join tools. The picture on Twitter wasn't very clear if you take a quick look because MSN4 is parked in the farthest s
263 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : I found more pictures of the A350 visits on October 10-11: http://twitter.com/NewsAndyD http://twitter.com/walesoffice
264 Post contains images EPA001 : That will be not a moment to soon. The demand is now outpacing the planned production capacity. Also on the -1000, who would have thought that just 2
265 Aircellist : I second that.
266 tortugamon : Forget 2-3 years. The order book has doubled in less than 12 months. Impressive year. tortugamon
267 Post contains images ferpe : Absolutely, good idea I will put it in a new tab right behind the productions listing if that is OK, will clean it up and it will go there, then we c
268 Post contains images astuteman : Nothing new about that my friend. It's always been the way it should be done In fairness, Stitch did indeed use those exact words a day or so ago...
269 BoeingVista : Yes, you could argue that we are moving into a period where the two remaining players in the WB market will be unable to meet demand, there used to b
270 jambrain : From Airbus 20 year view, 7,273 non VLA twin-aisle aircraft over 20 years i.e. 363 / y. The average plane size needs to grow to meet demand but I exp
271 KarelXWB : A bit more than doubled, it was only 68 in August 2012.
272 Post contains images cmf : It is and as such it is a key part of lean manufacturing. Yet Taiichi Ohno was proven "wrong" when it was implemented as those lines using it had hor
273 Post contains images astuteman : Much better to have horrible throughput at the beginning and reliable throughput at the end, than reliable throughput at the beginning, and horrible
274 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Section 19 for MSN5 was spotted on August 23 in Hamburg. Here's a picture, it's the small part covered in white on the left-hand side of the A380 par
275 Post contains links iowaman : Looks like this thread is getting filled up. Here is part 14: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 14 (by iowaman Oct 13 2013 in Civil Aviation)
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