DaV From Italy, joined Jun 2001, 669 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 2343 times:
After the mess happened in America I doubt to see the -300ER in short time, but maybe AZ could get some more -200ER since they have also a rolling option for 6 more unspecified 777 other that 6 300ER. Very sad can't see the jumbo in AZ colors anymore :-(
When will be delivered the 777? I've heard in April/May 2002, isn't to late if the 742 are to be retired so soon?
777-500ER From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 480 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (13 years 2 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 2280 times:
KIX, NRT, YYZ and JFK are the remaining destinations that are flown by the AZ workhorse, the 747-200B. They are very old. It's sad to see them go. I flew them back in 1988 LAX-MXP-LAX and 1992 LAX-MXP. The return flight was the first day they introduced the MD11 to LAX, mid July 1992. It was amazing! I thought it was a DC10 when i saw it. I was just 8. Good old days. Getting back to the 747s, AZ will wait a while unless they wanna cut service to some minor destination due to the lack of "heavy" equipment.
ContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (13 years 2 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2183 times:
Operating MD11's and 763's does not make AZ a minor international carrier. Most major US airlines don't fly
747's and yet, none of those would be classified as
minor carriers (think AA, DL, CO, US). Alitalia's 747's
were not that old or at least not as old as the -200
in the fleets of AF, BA, LH, and other carriers but it
seems like a smart move since they burn more fuel
than the MD11 and 763's and were slated to be
replaced with the 777's soon anyway.
AZ is a basket case of an airline with mediocre to
generally lousy service, lots of attitude, and not
much in the way of substance. They do have an
oustanding safety record though. I think AZ will
gain a lot of efficiencies and customers through
the SKYTEAM link. Hopefully, AZ will turn itself
Alitalia744 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 4760 posts, RR: 44
Reply 14, posted (13 years 2 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2173 times:
While I agree with you about fleets and the airlines attributes, I personally think AZ can be a wonderful airline.
From what I've heard, 742's are going to be retired with the exception of I-DEMV, I-DEMS , I-DEMG, and I-DEMP (the newer aircraft) and they will continue use of 742's on the MXP/FCO-JFK routes and the route to NRT.
Airblue From San Marino, joined May 2001, 1825 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (13 years 2 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2134 times:
It was told that B777/200ER should arrive at April 2002, but also I read on a mag. that it will arrive in the summer.
I also like to know how could they fly the MXP/FCO-JFK routes without the B747 capacity. It doesn't seem logical to put out a B747 and that maybe to fly 2 daily B763 on the same route.
One B763 has less operative cost than a B747, but to offer the same capacity on routes like FCO/MXP-JFK you have to fly 2 daily B763 in spite of one daily B747, so you lose the benefit.
MXP-NRT is 5 weekly so if you fly daily with a B772 you don't lose so much weekly seats.
MXP-KIX is 3 weekly also with B742, so if you fly a B772 you can add more weekly frequency without losing any seats.
Na From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10807 posts, RR: 9
Reply 18, posted (13 years 2 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2108 times:
a 20 year old aircraft should be scrapped? That only makes sense if the type is completely outdated, like the B707 was in the early 80s, when half of the 707-fleet was retired within 5 years.
The 742-200 is getting old, no question. But they are designed to fly about 25-35 years, so we should expect to see the AZ-aircraft again somewhere flying with a charter-airline or so when the economy recovers.
Of course most of the older 747s retired during these grey days will be parked for some time because there is no use for them currently.
I just wonder what AZ will do when passengers come again in bigger numbers?