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United Closing Crew Base In Singapore  
User currently offlineAirbus1 From United Arab Emirates, joined Feb 2001, 88 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2731 times:


On Monday 30 September United Airlines will be closing its crew base in Singapore. This base has been in existence for fifteen years and currently employs some 300 Singaporean flight attendants. The Bangkok base will be closing as well.

The closings are directly related to the September 11 attacks in the US and are part of United's announced plans to remove 20% of its workforce.

United's Singapore flights will be crewed by its US staff.

For many of us the main reason to use United's network in Asia was the professionalism and personality of the Singapore team. They currently fly United's passengers from Singapore, Hong Kong, Beijing, Seoul and Narita. They do so with an understated mix of Singaporean style and efficiency with the more relaxed informality of a US carrier.

They were notified last Thursday (19 Sept) of the closure at the end of the month. They are entitled to one month's notice - but this is being paid out by the airline to allow an earlier closure.

The crew are generally a little older than their counterparts at say SQ. Many of them are married with families. For many of them flying has been their life. And within a week their lives have been turned upside down. Many of them have been flying since the base started 15 years ago. There are many long serving staff. Many passsengers are privileged to count members of this team as friends. As a team they have supported a number of charities in Singapore with fund raising events.

There is, I understand, still some uncertainty over termination payments and whether United will fully meet its obligations under the staff contracts.

There is almost an unseemly haste to close this base. Many of the crew are now on their last flights. They hardly have the time to say goodbye to eachother, or to be able to come to terms with the reality of not working, and not working in an environment that they love.

Their wake up calls for flights out of Singapore are between 3.30am and 4.25 am daily, for departures at 6.50am to Hong Kong and 7.40am to Tokyo. Their returns to Singapore are between 11.30pm and midnight. No one ever complains. And all of them would happily continue to fly these schedules if they could carry on working. Even a 20% pay reduction would be preferable to the job cuts - and I suspect that is true across most of the affected carriers and their staff.

Few of them will be able to fly again. Airlines are not rushing to recruit. And even if they could move to another carrier they would lose their seniority. The United team are all going to have to think about what to do next and where their careers and lives will take them. Their lives have changed and they are tinged with sadness, frustration and some anger.

Some 40 members of the ground services staff will also be laid off at the same time. United will also cease its Singapore to Hong Kong (and v.v) flight.

The last flights for the Singapore based crew will arrive on 30 September at 11.35pm and 11.55pm into Changi.

If you are on their flights in Asia over the next few days be understanding and show these good people your support.



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User currently offlineB747-337M From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (12 years 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2580 times:

The SIN and BKK F/As were non-union which means that under the AFA furlough clauses, they HAD to be laid off before a single AFA member was removed from their jobs.

User currently offlineTonyBurr From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1012 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2545 times:

It is truly sad that these dedicated people will not be unemployeed, and as you say, difficult to work in their field. We can not begin to undertsnad their feelings, just a "tahnk you" to them, and good luck

The Terrorist attacked the whole world, not just America! Hopefully people will see this and support those who go to eradicate terrorism. Support those governments who participate the action against the terrorist, and INSIST that governments fight to end terrorism.

They are effecting the whole world!!!


User currently offlineGiantjets From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2537 times:

This is not just suspended for a while then? So I will no longer see United at Bangkok again? If Northwest pulls out of Bangkok then there will be no U.S. carrier in Thailand!  Sad

User currently offlineAirbus1 From United Arab Emirates, joined Feb 2001, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (12 years 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2536 times:

B747-337M - you are right of course. They are not AFA - althought they are represented in Singapore.

Union or not - it is a very human part of the events that are unfolding post Sept 11. And I wish there was another solution or at a mimimum these people could have just a little more time to try and get their lives in order.

Bests.


User currently offlineFITPilot From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 104 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2523 times:

Is United pulling out of SIN and BKK or are they just laying off their staff there?

User currently offlineAirbus1 From United Arab Emirates, joined Feb 2001, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 7 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2517 times:

For Singapore, my understanding is that SIN-HKG and HKG - SIN end on 30 Sept. The daily Tokyo flights are expected to continue. The cabin crew will be AFA probably from Narita base.

I assume BKK - Narita continues (I think this is a 777). But again no BKK based cabin crew.



User currently offlineA32 From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 163 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (12 years 7 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2492 times:

My best regards to the Singaporean UAL FA'a. A very good bunch indeed. They treated me very well when I jumpseated on UAL from HKG - SIN and then again from DEL - HKG.




User currently offlineB747-337M From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (12 years 7 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2496 times:

They treated me very well when I jumpseated on UAL from HKG - SIN and then again from DEL - HKG.

DEL-HKG was a HKG base route.


User currently offline9V-SVA From Singapore, joined Aug 2001, 1860 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (12 years 7 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 2458 times:

Does that mean United will leave Singapore for good?My good friend L1011 will be affected.


9V-SVA  Big thumbs up
Save United SIN-HKG!



9V-SVA | B772ER
User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13735 posts, RR: 19
Reply 10, posted (12 years 7 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2464 times:

I sam flying SIn - LAX w./ UAL???


Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineSpk From Thailand, joined Jun 2001, 458 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (12 years 7 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 2408 times:

Wow. Then United will never get my business again. The only reason I choose United for flights from Bangkok is the Bangkok based F/A. Their US crew, based on my own experience, are horrible with the exception of First Class F/A.

Sorry to hear about this lay off.


User currently offlineAirbus1 From United Arab Emirates, joined Feb 2001, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (12 years 7 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2352 times:

To clarify a couple of points. SIN to HKG ceases operation on 1 October. SIN to NRT continues to operate. Connections to the US (including LAX for Singapore_Air !!) will be via Narita.

Delhi - Hong Kong and vv was crewed by the AFA base in Hong Kong.



User currently offlineSFOintern From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 770 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (12 years 7 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2343 times:

On the bright side (hard to find), at least United's product will be a little more consistent. The Asian F/A's wore different uniforms to mark their non-AFA association.

User currently offlineL1011 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1651 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (12 years 7 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2339 times:
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Thanks for your interest, Gundu.
I am scheduled to fly RIC-ORD-HKG-SIN on Dec. 25-26 and SIN-NRT-ORD-RIC on Jan. 1. So far, United hasn't notified me of any changes. A couple of years ago, I was to fly this routing, and UA dropped HKG-SIN, so I was rerouted through NRT. This time I will be very disappointed if that happens again, because I really want to see Hong Kong's new airport. I guess the worst that can happen is they put me on another airline for the HKG-SIN segment. Or reroute me through NRT.

Bob Bradley
Richmond, VA



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