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787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19  
User currently offlineiowaman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 45587 times:

Hi All,

Part 18 is getting lengthy, so here is part 19.

Previous thread: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 18 (by wilco737 Aug 7 2013 in Civil Aviation)

309 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 8384 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 45438 times:

Ok so to catch up with deliveries from last thread,

NH JA823A (LN120) delivered

CZ LN93 Delivered

A few QR planes were flown to Ft. Worth

Royal Brunei on the flightline

Some of the other chinese airplanes are in paint or sitting on the flight line

Any updates?

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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5923 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 45411 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
A few QR planes were flown to Ft. Worth

Only one was flown to Ft. Worth.

That which does not kill me makes me stronger.
User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6833 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 45387 times:

What happened to VT-ANN? I thought delivery was assured   

Celebrating the birth of KELPkidJR on August 5, 2009 :-)
User currently offlineDan23 From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 45325 times:

Moonm has pics of V8-DBA:


User currently offline7673mech From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 797 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 45327 times:
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ILF/NLH Line 112 delivered.
Flies away on Saturday.

One of you asks for sources always - ILF.

User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 3233 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 45097 times:

Quoting Dan23 (Reply 4):
Moonm has pics of V8-DBA:

That should be DLA

ROYAL BRUNEI V8-DLA Boeing 787 by moonm, on Flickr

ROYAL BRUNEI V8-DLA Boeing 787 by moonm, on Flickr

ROYAL BRUNEI V8-DLA Boeing 787 by moonm, on Flickr

Nice shots though.

Let go, move on....
User currently offlinestarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1153 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 44925 times:

Any indication on why Vt-ANN undelivered?

Other than the wild laughter from the bankers when Boeing asked if the check would clear?

Knowledge Replaces Fear
User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 6640 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 44832 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 6):

Boring livery. Good to see something new.


User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1836 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 44746 times:

Those AI birds have flown a lot of test flights, I wonder when B just feel i´s not worth it anymore and cancel the sales?

User currently offlineAirIndia111 From Canada, joined Aug 2013, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 44610 times:

Matt Cawby tweeted that VT-ANN had a maintenance engine run on 23rd August. That's the only update we have had on it since 20th August.

On the other hand, any idea if we have an AI team in CHS to take delivery of VT-ANO?

AI should be taking delivery of ANN or ANO very soon to start Oz flights from 29th August. Otherwise, they will have to scale down the current 787 ops.

Quoting sweair (Reply 9):

This is because ANN had some issues with the Transformer Rectifier Unit and Boeing did a replacement of the P300 panel.

User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 34066 posts, RR: 85
Reply 11, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 44611 times:
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AI's first tranche of 777-200LRs and 777-300ERs sat at PAE for months once they were completed before AI sent crews to pick them up, so why be different with their 787-8s?  

User currently offlineDan23 From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 44554 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 6):
That should be DLA

Indeed. Auto-correct can be frustrating!

It is a boring livery, especially compared to their previous scheme.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 18324 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 44502 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 8):
Boring livery. Good to see something new.

I agree. Where is all the yellow  

V8-BLC Boeing 777-212(ER) Royal Brunei Airlines by Robert Frola, on Flickr


Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 18324 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 44369 times:

Air India LN30 (VT-ANE) is getting its engines installed:

Boeing 787 Reworks. by moonm, on Flickr

More pictures here:


@nyc777 Seems like this is Bay AW.

Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 18324 posts, RR: 50
Reply 15, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 44327 times:

Another early bird has been towed to the EMC. Look for the 2 ANA tails in this picture:


I found the answer in moonm's pictures: Transaero Airlines LN12, ex-ANA JA805A, has joined LN14 at the EMC:

Boeing 787 Reworks. by moonm, on Flickr

To sum up:

> UN LN11: inside the EMC, bay D (ex ANA JA804A)
> UN LN12: outside the EMC, position ?? (ex ANA JA805A)
> UN LN14: outside the EMC, position 3 (ex ANA JA809A)
> UN LN22: storage (ex ANA, never had a registration)

[Edited 2013-08-24 04:09:51]

Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 6640 posts, RR: 25
Reply 16, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 43694 times:

ZB001 (787-9) has rolled out of 40-24.



User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 18324 posts, RR: 50
Reply 17, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 43656 times:

And on the move.



Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 6640 posts, RR: 25
Reply 18, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 43621 times:

Heading back into paint according to Matt. Interesting.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 18324 posts, RR: 50
Reply 19, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 43595 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 18):
Heading back into paint according to Matt. Interesting.

They probably made some scratches to the paint during the installation of the test equipment. I never understood why they painted it before assembly was finished.

Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 4335 posts, RR: 30
Reply 20, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 43560 times:
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They're preparing for A.net comments by painting a bullseye on the side.

User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 6640 posts, RR: 25
Reply 21, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 43460 times:

Matt is now saying that it is heading into the paint hangar just to get weighed and it should be at the fuel doc shortly. Engine run in a couple days maybe FF in a week or two?


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 6640 posts, RR: 25
Reply 22, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 43296 times:

What a beauty:


User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 3233 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 43299 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 22):
What a beauty:


In other 787 news, EI-LNB is being prepared for it delivery flight:


[Edited 2013-08-24 17:27:23]

Let go, move on....
User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 34066 posts, RR: 85
Reply 24, posted (2 years 9 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 43110 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 19):
I never understood why they painted it before assembly was finished.

I would not be surprised if properly masking all the test equipment hanging off the outside would be a pain in the bum and if you didn't do it properly, you could damage (or even destroy) the testing equipment.

25 NYC777 : I think 2- 3 weeks is more like it. They want to take things very carefully with this one.
26 tortugamon : Didn't the A350-900 fly within 5 weeks from roll out? It has now been five weeks for the 789. I am not sure how much testing equipment was installed
27 kanban : The two companies have very different processes in regards to test planes.. plus Boeing messed up the 788 so they will be extra careful with this one
28 Post contains images KELPkid : Not to mention that the 789 is a derivative of the 788, so to the general public, the first flight of the 787-9 is anticlimactic at best...the public
29 sweair : It wins over thee 788 on looks for sure, not as stubby, slender and sharp one this. It will probably be the better selling over time as well.
30 tortugamon : So you are suggesting that they were not careful with flight testing on the 788? And spending an extra week of testing will prevent a huge problem li
31 KarelXWB : Not really. During the last 5 weeks, test equipment was installed and it officially rolled out last night. Now they can start fuel tank tests, APU ru
32 Post contains links hkcanadaexpat : EI-LNB (Norwegian #2 / ILFC #3) on its way home! http://www.flightradar24.com/NLH1A 7th in August so far. 80th in total. Up to 4 more (2x AI + 1x JAL
33 kanban : No I was saying that they got in trouble with the press/public/A.net for publishing schedules and missing.. I sensed that however when the original c
34 Post contains links and images pdxswa : Anyone have a clue to who's 787 this one is ? View Large View MediumPhoto © Bill Shemley
35 817Dreamliiner : I think this is one of the early frames that was supposed to go to LA. So its either LN10 or LN16, I think.
36 pdxswa : 817Dreamliner thank you
37 tortugamon : Over-promising and under-delivering is a bad thing. I also think they should not be giving exact timelines for first flight. I am similarly annoyed w
38 United787 : DELIVERED TO DATE: 80 Aircraft to 14 Airlines DELIVERIES PRIOR TO AUGUST NH-20; JL-10; AI-7; UA–7; QR-7; ET-5; LO-5; LA-3; BY-3; BA-2; CZ-2; DY-1; H
39 KarelXWB : Indeed it is either LN10 or LN16, originally destined for LAN. The picture was taken at Kilo South. Unfortunately both 787s never received a registra
40 Post contains links tortugamon : Looks like Boeing has put the flags of customers on the 787-9 as well. I am having trouble uploading but you can find it here from Matt: http://painea
41 pdxswa : KarelXWB thanks for confirming that for me and everyone else here.
42 NYC777 : The aircraft has to go through gauntlet testing including APU and engine runs followed by taxi tests then first flight.[Edited 2013-08-25 15:53:28]
43 zkokq : No Qantas tail, even though they hold 50 options. Interesting!
44 NYC777 : Don't know about AI...they have financing issues.
45 Post contains links 817Dreamliiner : -9 Currently being fueled: http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/371759432171933696
46 tortugamon : AC is on there and I was not sure that was firmed. I tried to identify each tail in the 787-9 rollout thread. I am missing a couple. tortugamon
47 NYC777 : They have to convert them into firm orders first.
48 Stitch : They cancelled their firm orders, so they're not currently a customer.
49 Post contains links and images pdxswa : Guys another question this one is obvious but there is no registration on this one although it does say ANA. Is this really going to ANA ? View Large
50 KarelXWB : The rejected ANA bird in storage without registration (there is only one without registration) is LN22. It will eventually go to Transaero Airlines.[
51 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : There was a line move last night, the second 787 for Royal Brunei was rolled out to the paint hangar. http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/371894908069
52 starrion : Boeing is going to have an issue delivering a large number of planes in Sept. Half of the frames that 'built' are for the three airlines that don't re
53 hkcanadaexpat : Not necessarily... Without talking about those three airlines, September should see a healthy 9 frames delivered: > 1x ANA + 2x BA + 2x LAN + 1x Q
54 KarelXWB : And don't forget Royal Brunei.
55 SonomaFlyer : UA is due to get a frame in September as well from Charleston.
56 817Dreamliiner : Well, If they run out of space at PAE they can always ferry them to the desert like the did with some of the 747-8s until they are ready to take them
57 pdxswa : KarelXWB thanks again for the help with this one.
58 KarelXWB : PAE backlog is down from 30 to 10 aircraft due to the temporary production stop, they should have enough space now.
59 pnwtraveler : AC has firmed the split for the first tranche of aircraft with the first deliveries being 788 and then 789's coming on stream a bit later. The larger
60 NYC777 : What is the AC split between the -8 and -9?
61 Post contains links rotating14 : I found this article. It should help. http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...a-to-take-22-boeing-787-9s-389266/
62 NYC777 : Thanks!
63 tortugamon : Right, but it has not been updated on Boeing's O&D page yet which makes me think it is not firm. Even the flight global article says 'they will'
64 pnwtraveler : The split of 8 and 9 for AC has moved a little bit back and forth according to estimates of conditions when entering service and the routes they are s
65 tortugamon : Gotcha. tortugamon
66 tortugamon : I count 14 non-AI-CZ-HN aircraft that are 'finished'. Plenty to keep them busy. tortugamon
67 Stitch : AI already has financing via the Export-Import Bank.
68 Post contains links KarelXWB : A small update on Air India LN28 (VT-ANC). http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/371878581648908288
69 Post contains links SonomaFlyer : I thought there was a bridge financing issue that was pending? India had sent out an RFP regarding bridge financing. With no/not enough takers, it wa
70 Stitch : AI has the funding to take direct delivery from Boeing via the EX-IM bank loans. However, AI does not wish to own the planes outright, but instead se
71 SonomaFlyer : So that is where the hang-up is and the planes sit because no one finds the pre-conditions AI set to be acceptable. Shocking!
72 KarelXWB : But non have been sold to a lessor so far.
73 WarpSpeed : Thanks for the link! I've searched for an announcement of AI having secured bridge financing, but have not been able to find anything. Then where do
74 Stitch : Which is likely why AI is stalling on delivery, especially if they don't need to make payments on the EX-IM loans until they do. If I am reading the
75 WarpSpeed : 2011, the Export-Import Bank approved $3.4 billion in loan guarantees to Air India Not sure which RFP you're reviewing, but the RFP for the bridge-fin
76 Post contains links AirIndia111 : AI had managed to raise the $200 million bridge loan from Deutsche Bank but are waiting for an approval from the Reserve Bank of India before acceptin
77 Stitch : The January 23, 2013 RFP for sale and lease-back of their first seven 787-8s as well as the July 15, 2011 RFP for Long Term Loan Funds for financing
78 NYC777 : I'll believe it when I see it. God, the GoI needs to sell AI. Over 67 years of backwards socialism in this country.
79 Post contains links 817Dreamliiner : The 787-9 has now been moved to stall 103: http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/372111401201827841
80 Newark727 : (Apologies if this has been asked and answered before, but I don't see anything in the recent posts.) On a whim I checked out San Bernardino (SBD) on
81 SonomaFlyer : It's one of the early Boeing test a/c. Most likely, they are running certification flights for either an engine PiP or some other upgrade to the a/c.
82 lightsaber : Hopefully some of those airlines start accepting deliveries. Or let them fail... Lightsaber
83 Post contains links tortugamon : Last month it was fitted with Trent Package C engines with better fuel burn and higher thrust. It has been doing flight tests along side ZA005 which
84 Post contains links KarelXWB : Here we go: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...4/history/20130827/1800Z/KPAE/VIDP
85 ultrapig : I just rejoined anet and read some of the 787 threads-Help me here. How many the early builds have been "redone" but are "orphans" awaiting buyers? Wh
86 Post contains links NYC777 : Boeing is sending another China Southern 787 to Ft. Worth to be painted. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE386
87 United787 : Welcome back! This list will answer some of your questions... https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AtfsHdXQ5rl9dFp4b1hETmNQNzN0b2dSUlRNWEFOOV
88 AirIndia111 : Finally! I believe this will be the first time they are bringing the 787 nonstop to DEL without the technical halt at FRA.
89 seabosdca : This 787 is leaving Everett, not Charleston, so it has more runway available. The runway at CHS is currently shortened due to construction. NYC777's
90 NYC777 : This work has been completed and the runway is now open.
91 starrion : keep in mind that ln 4-6 will also be sold, I heard that they would go to BBJ customers. That would happen after Boeing was finished with the test pr
92 Post contains links KELPkid : Wonder why, though, they chose to fly East over Iceland instead of taking a much more direct polar route: http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=PAE-BOM
93 tortugamon : I wonder how soon though. Once the Package C and PiP2 engines are certified I wonder if they will begin the refurb process or if they will keep one o
94 seabosdca : If they do need an aircraft for testing, they still have ZA003 for that purpose.
95 Stitch : They still have ZA003, which was used to test some of the systems implemented on the 787-9 (including the hybrid laminar flow control system for the
96 starrion : Which is pretty much what I thought. ZA001 may get stuck in a museum, but there is no reason to tie down 4-6 when they can actually be sold. Not bein
97 tortugamon : Good point. Have ZA004 & 5 gone through the EMC process to get their wiring, ECS, etc up to spec or do they need that work in addition to the tes
98 Post contains links seabosdca : So VT-ANN has actually taken off. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...4/history/20130827/1800Z/KPAE/VIDP Even for AI that was a tortuous delivery s
99 Post contains images AirIndia111 : Here is VT-ANN on approach to Runway 29 at DEL.
100 lightsaber : I thought AI had only secured for two more... note, I'm asking and wish clarification. Lightsaber
101 Post contains links AirIndia111 : They had secured the bridge financing for the next 5 787's in July. VT-ANN is the first one to be delivered since then. http://articles.economictimes
102 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : Looks like BAB ZA452 (114) is filed for a C-1 (?) this morning: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...2/history/20130828/1600Z/KPAE/KMWH
103 Post contains links tortugamon : Interesting news regarding the new "Xiamen Airlines' 787 delivery schedule: july, october 2014, february, april, june and september 2015" http://twitt
104 Post contains links sunrisevalley : [quote=tortugamon,reply=83]Last month it was fitted with Trent Package C engines with better fuel burn and higher thrust. It has been doing flight tes
105 Stitch : There's been a fair bit of conflicting information posted on how the various PiPs have addressed the original SFC miss, which was reported to be arou
106 Post contains links 817Dreamliiner : JAL JA832J is at the Delivery Center: http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/372851737993822208
107 milestones787 : Always good to see another "early bird" get delivered!
108 audidudi : The registration is actually JA823J as quoted in the twitter link!
109 lightsaber : Happy to see LN21 go out the door. I cannot wait to see further LN7-LN19 go out. I was happy to see 3 go out the door in twelve months, but none for
110 seabosdca : EMC layoffs can't have helped. When the remaining birds to be modified (once JL LN20 is complete any day now) are for AI, UN, ID, and possibly WB, I
111 KarelXWB : Boeing did finish more early birds (LN43, LN36, LN32) but the customers (CZ and AI) seems not to be ready yet to accept them.
112 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Speaking about LN43, it's back on the flightline and the tape is being removed. Picture cut out from http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/9616010395/
113 Post contains images 817Dreamliiner : oops, typo... my bad
114 Post contains links KarelXWB : HU B-2728 (LN73) delivery flight: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...8/history/20130829/1700Z/KPAE/ZJHK
115 Post contains links KarelXWB : ZA005 scheduled for Cold Bay today. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...5/history/20130829/1600Z/KBFI/PACD
116 Post contains links 817Dreamliiner : ZB001 has done its first engine run (photo included): http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/373101314902745088
117 7BOEING7 : Chasing winds?
118 WarpSpeed : Forecast there is for 20KTS. How does that rate? APU start and first engine run seems to have been performed quickly after roll-out. Might they need
119 seabosdca : This will make five birds for CZ on the two flightlines (LN36, LN43, LN100, LN104, LN119), with none being stored... are they planning to take a bunc
120 7BOEING7 : The test was probably scheduled yesterday based on expected winds today. Flight plan was also probably filed yesterday. Looks like they'd be after ta
121 KarelXWB : The first 4 should deliver this year; LN104 is currently in FTW for painting and LN119 has yet to make its first flight.
122 OldAeroGuy : Better than going to Cold Bay and staying.
123 United787 : According to KarelXWB from the previous thread, this was the plan as of about 2-3 weeks ago. But it already has deviated from that so who knows...my
124 phxa340 : With the engines almost at Spec and a 2% lighter frame, will this help the 9 gain some range ?
125 KarelXWB : Yes it seems LN100 and LN85 have swapped with LN93 and LN73 respectively.
126 pdxswa : Everyone I have a quick question that may or may not have been answered previously. There is an ANA 787 with ANA livery no registration only number 18
127 817Dreamliiner : Yes that would be L/N 18.
128 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : If you mean this number than yes, it is LN18: Boeing 787 A/C 18 by moonm, on Flickr
129 pdxswa : 817Dreamliner and KarelXWB thank you yes this is the one
130 KarelXWB : And while LN18 doesn't wear a registration, it was registered as JA811A and later re-registered as JA827A. All ANA early birds were re-registered bef
131 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Another picture here: http://twitpic.com/daxrkl
132 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : BAB ZA452 (114) out for a C-2 today, completing the C-1 from yesterday: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE452
133 KELPkid : Was the original C-1 interrupted by weather? We had some atrocious aviation weather here in PDX land starting yesterday evening and going through thi
134 KarelXWB : Here is the whole list: > LN11 (ZA500) => JA804A => JA818A > LN12 (ZA501) => JA805A => JA821A > LN13 (ZA502) => JA806A =>
135 tortugamon : There could be a couple other explanations: (1) LN43 is configured a particular way and they (recently) decided to prioritize that aircraft (2) CZ pr
136 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Few more pictures of ZB001: Found on http://www.airlinereporter.com/2013/...7-9-dreamliner-on-the-flight-line/
137 Post contains images KELPkid : So according to the spreadsheet at all things 787, No more aircraft are stored on PAE's crosswind runway (11/29). Can anyone verify?
138 tortugamon : I see 10, 12, 13, 15, 18, and 22 located there. tortugamon
139 Post contains images KELPkid : Bummer, you're right Must have not looked close enought the first time.
140 7BOEING7 : No, I think there was an issue with the airplane because they diverted prior to descending from FL390 and went back over to MWH this morning to pick
141 tortugamon : It is a bummer. But I think we will see a movement or two soon. I think Karel has indicated that LN 26 and LN 28 should be moving out of the EMC soon
142 jetblastdubai : Technical question: I notice that all the 787 models as well as all the A350 models have only tandem main landing gears as opposed to the triple-truck
143 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : If you look at the attached you'll see the weight bearing capacity for each of the three runways at SEATAC which should answer your question. http://
144 tortugamon : I would not call myself a guru but a couple of notes: (1) I think the 351 has been announced to have a 6 wheel MLG not a 4. (2) Both the 787 and A350
145 Stitch : Every bit will help. A 2 ton reduction in OEW is another 2 tons of fuel you can load. The A350-1000 will have a six-wheel main truck like the 777. If
146 sunrisevalley : something close to 500nm assuming 123t OEW ( as opposed to ~125 .5t ) and SFC of .955 compared with 1 showing as base in Piano-X.
147 Post contains links sunrisevalley : Go to http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/com...ial/airports/acaps/787brochure.pdf and thumb down to Page 16 . This will answer most questions.
148 lightsaber : Thank you for the link. I'm impressed a small increase in tire size keeps the wheel loading the same. Although, considering the tire spacing has incr
149 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : The Royal Brunei 787 from the other side: V8-DLA right side by Powercube, on Flickr
150 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Two 77Ws, one 748F and four 787s are currently stored on the runway. B-2042 and a line of 787 by Powercube, on Flickr
151 817Dreamliiner : That should be 1 77W and 1 777F.
152 KarelXWB : It's not 2% yet, LN126 is 226.8 - 453.6 kg (500-1,000 lbs) below its manufacturer’s empty weight specification, with later-built examples being 2%
153 AirMailer : Does any of this weight savings occur on the post-LN126 788s as well or is it exclusive to the 789s?
154 KarelXWB : Yes, future -8s should also benefit from this weight savings.
155 hkcanadaexpat : Some info on the 74 ILFC aircraft delivery schedule (sorry no split between 788 and 789s): 2013 - 6 (2x NOR + 3x AMX + 1x VIP) 2014 - 12 (4x THA + 3x
156 seabosdca : Interesting. I wonder whether this is LN 6 or LN 149?
157 hkcanadaexpat : Its actually LN 141 for 2013 and LN 143 for 2014. A
158 817Dreamliiner : Thats the ILFC delivery schedule so it wouldnt include those two. I think L/N 149 is for Xiamen. When you say THA, do you mean Thai?[Edited 2013-08-3
159 seabosdca : Thanks. I need to read Uresh's spreadsheet a bit more carefully!
160 Post contains links KarelXWB : Just bookmark this url, it makes life much easier: http://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/p...OOVE&single=true&gid=2&output=html
161 pnwtraveler : Exciting to see new airlines popping up on the spreadsheet. Especially LN160 for Air Canada. And even sooner we will see Qantas fly. Now if only two c
162 frigatebird : KL should receive their first 789 leased from ILFC in 2015 (although I've seen other reports that this has slipped into 2016).
163 KarelXWB : Unions have been informed that the first KLM delivery is set for 2016.
164 Post contains links KarelXWB : Sorry, I was wrong, 2015 still is the correct date. The 2016 deliveries are part of the order of 25 units and are for the Air France/KLM Group itself
165 airnorth : As we are coming to the end of the current list, with LN 161 currently going to LOT, and with current production at around 7 frames per month....I thi
166 817Dreamliiner : We'll have to wait till NYC777 updates it.
167 kanban : notice all are missing trailing edge pieces on both wings and horizontal stabs..
168 KarelXWB : I checked the database but there are no new allocations yet.
169 United787 : Does anyone know the status of these three planes: L/N 109 - A7-BCF – QR #9 - Flew back to CHS 3 days ago from FTW - The IFE shop should be ready fo
170 NYC777 : Qatar's acceptance staff is being very picky on their inspections. None of the planes you mentioned will deliver until September.
171 NYC777 : This flight number was being used by a 737-900 6 days ago, not a 787.
172 KarelXWB : LN109 was undergoing customer walks and they discovered an issue with the paint. This has been addressed in FTW so I expect the customer inspections
173 tortugamon : 30 J and 264 Y and 294 total sounds a bit high to me. tortugamon
174 seabosdca : 5 rows of J and 30 rows of 9Y 31" Y (minus some seats between aisles at the bulkheads)? That sounds plausible to me for a 789.
175 KarelXWB : It's a 2-class configuration, it should be double. Boeing advertises 280 pax in a 3-class configuration on the 787-9 but you'll get a few more Y rows
176 Stitch : Should be quite doable. I mocked-up their cabin once onto a 787-8 and was able to fit 42 Business Class seats and 216 Economy Class seats. Reducing t
177 Post contains links and images pdxswa : Another Aeromexico 787 under going some pre first flight work on the PAE flight line. View Large View MediumPhoto © Bill Shemley
178 tortugamon : Thanks guys. The 294 is more than 40 seats more than the average 787-8 seating. We will see if this holds up. Very good 772 replacement indeed. tortu
179 Stitch : Pretty much, though KL should be able to fit ~315 into the 787-9 (they have ~320 in their 777-200ER) since they'd only lose one seat of World Busines
180 hkcanadaexpat : A new month. A refresh of what's upcoming. Next up a lot of B1s! Deliveries: > VT-ANO (Air India #9) (@ Charleston) > G-ZBJC (British Airways #3
181 KarelXWB : The cabin crew will also get four "high comfort seats" (not sure what this precisely is), but that's probably why the aircraft lose 2 rows economy se
182 PA515 : Not wanting to get too carried away, but September should be a record month for deliveries. AI: (32) VT-ANG, (91) VT-ANO AM: (122) N964AM, (127) N965
183 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Air India VT-ANG (LN32), which finished change incorporation months ago, is now finally on the flightline. Boeing Flightline by moonm, on Flickr
184 NYC777 : It's been on the flightline for a long time. First at stall 119 for quite a few weeks and just moved to stall 101 in the last 1 day. It should be rea
185 Post contains links KarelXWB : The second Royal Brunei 787 (V8-DLB) is out of the paint hangar. http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/373823705492643840
186 lightsaber : I count: 11 deliveries to the customers who are non-issues receiving planes 8 deliveries to customers who tend to delay: AI, CZ, and HU It will be ve
187 Post contains images 7673mech : don't. The schedule that was shared with me is a pare down to the end of the year. I think it was 8-6-4-4. I was told that by the end of September -
188 Sooner787 : At this rate of deliveries, KPAE might get their cross wind runway cleared off before too much longer
189 bluesky73 : Does anyone know the delivery dates for BA 788s G-ZBJC&D please? Thanks
190 KarelXWB : Both should deliver in September.
191 Post contains images sunrisevalley : I hope so ! I have my first 788 ride booked on BA PE for
192 NYC777 : This has to be for Everett only. Boeing's guidance for 2013 has been "more than 60 787 deliveries." Thus far they have delivered 34 787 this year. 8-
193 hkcanadaexpat : Yes that is correct. 8-6-4-4 could look something like this: September: VT-ANG, JA-821A, VH-VKA, CC-BBD, G-ZBJC, G-ZBJD, N964AM and N965AM October: V
194 tortugamon : I believe your info is good. But what are they going to do just stop test flying aircraft? Give everyone vacations? I just don't see it. tortugamon
195 hkcanadaexpat : I would have thought test flight pilots would have their hands full with those pretty 789s during the slow months of November and December! A
196 Tristarsteve : They look like ordinary crew seats, but have much more padding in them and recline quite a way. It is a poor man.s crew rest!, but takes up no space.
197 KarelXWB : BA G-ZBJC is due at LHR on September 3.
198 bluesky73 : Thanks for confirming new date, I saw that G-ZBJC was originally set for delivery 29th Aug but now makes sense there was a delay.
199 NYC777 : September: VT-ANG, JA-821A, VH-VKA, CC-BBD, G-ZBJC, G-ZBJD, N964AM and N965AM I believe RBA said they would be taking delivery of Their 1st aircraft
200 Post contains links NYC777 : ZA452 is due into LHr at 10AM local time according to this tweet: BA's #B787 fleet start earning their keep. Inaugural LH to YYZ today, BA093 flown by
201 kanban : Boeing will round up a paper signing and hip hip hooray crew for any day or place the customer wishes.. they only draw the line at animal sacrifices.
202 lightsaber : You had better believe Boeing will bring in crew any day. I worked a project with them and my employer allowed us to have 'sacred' Thanksgiving and C
203 7BOEING7 : True, however when it comes to delivery, it's all about the banks -- if the banks aren't open, the money doesn't move. In this case as long as no US
204 tortugamon : ZA004 and ZA005 have been doing a decent amount of flying all over the world over the last two months and they still have delivered about 10 787s per
205 KarelXWB : Indeed. Labor Day is nice but there are always people who wants to work on holidays.
206 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Maybe not entirely on-topic, but here's a nice picture of a Qatar 787 in full reverse at Copenhagen airport. First 787 revenue service to Copenhagen.
207 NYC777 : Indeed. Labor Day is nice but there are always people who wants to work on holidays. There may be people who will be there for delivery but the US ban
208 Post contains links United787 : As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. For more specific information on the aircraft
209 PHX787 : Glad to see that one finally delivered. It's been a long road for 823J Which one of those are at CHS?
210 lightsaber : Serious question, why couldn't an Asian or European bank put the money into escrow and finish delivery of the funds to Boeing on Tuesday? This is suc
211 kanban : They can, they do.. and it shows immediately in Boeings account A long way from the day when a plane rolled up to the Delivery Center at Boeing Field
212 Post contains images Stitch : Heck, considering the amounts of money we're talking about, it is probably worth having someone at Boeing's US bank be available on a holiday to conf
213 skipness1E : Due September, still not delivered surely.
214 7BOEING7 : Except weekends and holidays which vary around the world. I can't tell you how many times I was under the gun to get a flight completed so the delive
215 kanban : Electronic funds transfers happen 24/7.. it's getting to the point where the only people needing actual access to brick and mortar banks are people at
216 7673mech : Work at a normal - 40 hour a week rate. Currently most of the flight line has been working 7 days a week since May - with the occasional day off. 10
217 tortugamon : If delivering 10 per month is not suatainable what are they going to do when they are producing aircraft at 10 per month by end of the year? Thanks f
218 NYC777 : I think he's talking about 10/month at Everett only. They'll be able to do 10/month easily between both CHS and PAE.
219 kanban : I suspect that it appears unsustainable because it's using OT to clear the backlog.. if the rate in Everett was 10 or 15 a month, the manpower would
220 tortugamon : Isn't Everett planning on producing 787s at 7/month? That is still more than the 6-4-4 mentioned. Boeing may have to do more hiring as sometime in th
221 WarpSpeed : Another route would be an improvement in quality control such that each frame can be delivered with only a B1 and C1. Currently, many frames are requ
222 Post contains links KarelXWB : Flight plan filled: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...7/history/20130902/2355Z/KPAE/EGLL
223 NYC777 : Nope they weren't close to 7/month even in April. they highest they got was 5.5/month.
224 tortugamon : Right, 5.5/month with a plan to reach 7/month by year end for a total of 10/month right? By 'planning' I mean they aren't there yet but they are 'pla
225 KarelXWB : CHS will miss its target of 3 frames per month thus Everett will have to produce 8.5 per month if they want to meet the target of 10 frames per month
226 tortugamon : It appears like they are roughly at 1.5 frames per month right now. They are planning a rate increase by end of year. Not sure they will get all the
227 KarelXWB : It was reported that CHS will stick at 1.5 per month until 2014.
228 bluesky73 : G-ZBJC just approaching coast of Ireland, about an hour out from LHR.
229 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : ZB002 was rolled out to the paint hangar last night. http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/374785361316040704
230 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Additionally ZB021 (the 3rd 787-9) was spotted at position 2 on the assembly line, followed by Jetstar LN142 (an 787-8 again) at position 1. http://tw
231 tortugamon : Good news. I wonder if the testing equipment is installed on this one. tortugamon
232 KarelXWB : It will likely follow the same path as ZB001 (paint => 40-24 position 4 for test equipment => 40-26 position 4 for tank wash => roll out).
233 tortugamon : I think the pictures were actually in order. It looks like ZB002 was actually in position two before roll out. Jetstar hasn't entered FAL from what I
234 KarelXWB : You may be right, although the tail fin of that last 787 looks different.
235 tortugamon : Interesting. Maybe they are planning a new livery for ZA003. tortugamon
236 sunrisevalley : why not finish it in the ultimate customer colors...?
237 Post contains links hkcanadaexpat : We may be looking at a C1 for B-2723 (Hainan Airlines #3). Either that or a functional flight check prior to C1 (although don't know why they would in
238 Post contains images PHX787 : Maybe they wanna see the nice lowcountry scenery. The SC coastline is beautiful!
239 7BOEING7 : Looks like it hasn't flown since returning from paint in May (4 months ago) so I'd go with an FCF. With an FCF there is no set profile, it's "Captain
240 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Powercube took these very nice pictures of the Jetstar 787: VH-VKA at the fuel dock by Powercube, on Flickr Above VH-VKA at the fuel dock by Powercube
241 tortugamon : That would make sense. Two in Boeing colors is enough. White wings with grey body looks odd. Still like the livery though. tortugamon
242 caetravlr : Thanks for posting this link! I just happened to be running late due to traffic this morning on the way into work and saw her climbing out. I was pla
243 7BOEING7 : First thing you do on a "B-1 profile" so definitely an FCF doing the whole profile.
244 AM777LR : Does anybody have any info on the frame that will be going to the Mexican Air Force for presidential transportation? What frame is it? Is it a 788 or
245 KarelXWB : It will be one of the 787-9 prototypes if I'm not mistaken.
246 Post contains links AM777LR : Ok, thanks! How many of the test frames are destined for NZ? IIRC there are 3 test frames, LN 126 (pre-flight test) and LN 133 and 139 which are both
247 KarelXWB : Two will go to NZ (LN 126 and 133) while rumors say that LN 139 will deliver to Mexico.
248 Post contains links 817Dreamliiner : Is this LN 133? If it is, wasnt it supposed to have GEnx engines, According to nyc787 blog? http://paineairport.com/kpae6662.htm
249 KarelXWB : Yes that's the second 787-9 (ZB002 / LN133), on its way to the paint hangar.
250 Dan23 : So the aircraft at position 1 in the 40-24 was indeed ZB021/LN138 and not ZA217/LN142
251 817Dreamliiner : Well, I guess that means ZB021 will be the one with GEnx. Which makes sense to me.
252 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Meanwhile, CZ LN104 / ZA386 is in paint and is scheduled FTW-CHS today. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...6/history/20130904/1715Z/KFTW/KCHS Yup,
253 NYC777 : Updated the spreadsheet with firing order for LN 162-LN 180
254 KarelXWB : And Air New Zealand first 787-9 will indeed be LN 169 (cn 34334, registration to be ZK-NZE).[Edited 2013-09-04 10:18:18]
255 Post contains links tortugamon : Looks like all three of the first 787-9s will be going to ANZ: According to Air New Zealand, “the first two 787-9s being built will be used as test
256 817Dreamliiner : I think they are referring to LN 169 which gets delivered to them first. Which is actually the 5th -9...
257 KarelXWB : Typical miscommunication. What they meant is, the third 787-9 assigned to NZ (ZB003) will be delivered first ("the third NZ 787-9 rolling of the assem
258 starrion : Where O where has LN 20 Gone? It was reported in Paint, but has disappeared since.
259 KarelXWB : Probably back in the EMC, we have seen the same with LN21.
260 Post contains images tortugamon : Thanks! A couple comments: -No new customers -More AI, HN, and CZ birds also two are being assigned to Charleston -Only 1 787-9; The first 4 787-9s h
261 kanban : Question: would it be advisable to have a separate 787-9 and production thread? At least through the initial stages and first deliveries.[Edited 2013-
262 Stitch : I think it's fine to keep all 787 families in one thread.
263 KarelXWB : I agree. We had a few 787-9 threads in June/July/August and they all went dead due to inactivity. Based on this, I don't expect this thread to become
264 Post contains images United787 : My thoughts exactly You would think they would defer their deliveries for a while - all three have been having issues for a year or more...
265 PW100 : Agree. A separate -9 fight test thread however would be nice though!
266 KarelXWB : Deferring them would put them in the queue beyond 2018, not a smart move. In worst case scenario Boeing can store them for a while, like poor line nu
267 tortugamon : I am for it. I've thought of launching it many times. The A350 production thread is one of my favorites (even if I usually have nothing to add) and i
268 KarelXWB : ZB003 and ZB004 won't be used for testing. ZB021 (the 3rd 789) is the GEnx testbed while ZB197 (the 4th 789) will be the cabin testbed, and will main
269 Post contains images tortugamon : I would think. Plenty of smart people on here have indicated that we are wrong though. I am not completely on board yet but I understand their reason
270 7BOEING7 : ????? Most of the ETOPS testing isn't engine specific.
271 tortugamon : I just meant it does not go in sequential order. ZB003, ZB004, etc tortugamon ,
272 Post contains images KELPkid : It's *SUPPOSED* to be easier on the 787 than previous types...but I don't think anyone has put theory into practice yet
273 kanban : no change here other than ZA000 to ZA999 is 787-8 ZB000 to ZB999 is 787-9 and ZC000-ZC999 is 787-10 ZD000 to ZD999 may be freighters
274 tortugamon : Hopefully Boeing wont have to. Makes sense to me. Do we know if the hybrid laminar flow has any meaningful drop in drag not factored into published n
275 hkcanadaexpat : You won't have to cringe for very long. LN 172 is the 10th and last CSN frame which oddly enough will make CSN the first 787 customer to completely f
276 tortugamon : The order may be filled production-wise but let's wait to see about deliveries. Someone screwed up giving them early deliveries or not get China appr
277 Post contains links KarelXWB : ZB001 was moved to the fuel dock. http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/9673081733/
278 etoile : The most human element is the humans who disseminate confirmation of receipt of funds to the other humans that are concerned. The disseminating human
279 KarelXWB : Someone in the New Zealand Aviation thread posted these delivery schedules for NZ's first 6 789s: 2014 > ZK-NZE (ZB003) > ZK-NZF (ZB004 ??) >
280 Post contains links PA515 : Quite a few months, unless Air NZ doesn't want delivery until the 2016 Financial Year. ZK-NZC and ZK-NZD are due at Air NZ in the second half of 2015
281 7BOEING7 : Or for more -9's or -10's if the programs are really successful as Boeing normally assigns more "block numbers" than the airline buys airplanes. For
282 kanban : You're correct in that there could be other sorts and divisions.. I was merely illustrating one way the system can be utilized without creating a who
283 United787 : We haven't seen any B-1s since 8/15 and there are about 8 aircraft that haven't yet flown but should (or could) be delivered in September... I expect
284 WarpSpeed : Certainly hope so. September closes out the 3rd quarter. Another strong delivery month will allow Boeing to report a solid recovery from the groundin
285 KarelXWB : 23 of which 10 are located in CHS. The backlog in Everett is down to a healthy number.
286 ual747-600 : I am surprised how little flight activity has been going on this week, especially at KCHS. You would think that they would be able to deliver Qatar's
287 tortugamon : It also could mean that if the certification slips to late 2014 they won't have to worry about doing a quick turnaround on the prototypes as they wil
288 hkcanadaexpat : The latest Boeing O/D confirmed the following: > G-ZBJC was delivered in September not August as speculated by all the funds transfer experts in th
289 Post contains links KarelXWB : ANA JA821A is scheduled for a B1 flight today. http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/375862846661214208 I'm surprised too, CHS has 10 frames on the fli
290 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Air India LN30 / VT-ANE (currently in the EMC, bay AW) seems to be ready. Engines are attached and the window tape is being removed. Picture taken by
291 Post contains links hkcanadaexpat : looks like B-2736 (China Southern #4) is going on a C1 flight shortly out of Charleston. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE385 A
292 tortugamon : Jacksonville is an interesting destination. tortugamon
293 NYC777 : It could be a FCF since it's almost a month since it flown.
294 Post contains links KarelXWB : And CZ B-2727 (LN43) is also scheduled for a test flight today. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...2/history/20130906/1600Z/KRNT/KMWH
295 Post contains images seabosdca : I think that's a 737 with a mistake in the aircraft type... look at the flight plan
296 WarpSpeed : Odd that it is flying out of Renton rather then KBFI. Allthings787 had it located at Everett.
297 NYC777 : It is located in Everett. The aircraft type is wrong. It has to be a 737 doing a B-1 out of Renton.
298 Post contains links kanban : There are no 787's in Renton.. it's an error either in plane type or flight origin BTW have you noticed the the blog on Boeing first flights and deliv
299 NYC777 : Probably out for the long weekend + Jewish Holidays.
300 Post contains images 7BOEING7 : It would be great if it was a C-1 but I find it a little hard to believe the airplanes out of CHS are ready for a C-1 after just a B-1 followed by a
301 7BOEING7 : It's a 737-800 for Skymark out of Japan. Note the filed altitude of FL280 -- 737's level off there momentarily to do an altimeter crosscheck prior to
302 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Some work was done on ZB001's tail fin: Boeing 787-9 back on the flightline by moonm, on Flickr Replacing the Boeing 787-9 V/Stab Access Panels by moo
303 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : And poor line number 79 is back on the flightline. Boeing 787's on the Flightline by moonm, on Flickr
304 NYC777 : Maybe it'll get it's engines and go to paint while on the flightline.[Edited 2013-09-06 18:03:40]
305 Post contains links hkcanadaexpat : Its really tough to say. I've reviewed BOE 384 (China Southern's delivered frame out of CHS). It did a total of 6 flights. A B1, then a to/from Texas
306 7BOEING7 : Looking back at BOE384, especially the "graphed" information, the first two flights after paint were "B" flights. Again looking at the "graphed" info
307 Post contains images AM777LR : Some miscommunication So as of now it looks like the Mexican Air Force will be getting LN 139 (ZB021) It will have GEnx engines and it is undergoing
308 7673mech : So I asked around with my contacts at PAE and found out some more info on my previous thread. When I said I guessed 8-6-4-4 I was referring to PAE onl
309 Post contains links jetblueguy22 : Hi All, This thread has gotten long so Part 20 has been created. It can be found here 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20 (by jetblueguy22 Sep 7 20
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