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787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19  
User currently onlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4396 posts, RR: 6
Posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 42293 times:
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Hi All,

Part 18 is getting lengthy, so here is part 19.

Previous thread: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 18 (by wilco737 Aug 7 2013 in Civil Aviation)


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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7496 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 42144 times:

Ok so to catch up with deliveries from last thread,

NH JA823A (LN120) delivered

CZ LN93 Delivered

A few QR planes were flown to Ft. Worth

Royal Brunei on the flightline

Some of the other chinese airplanes are in paint or sitting on the flight line

Any updates?



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5753 posts, RR: 47
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 42117 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
A few QR planes were flown to Ft. Worth

Only one was flown to Ft. Worth.



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6372 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 42093 times:

What happened to VT-ANN? I thought delivery was assured   


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User currently offlineDan23 From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 42031 times:

Moonm has pics of V8-DBA:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/


User currently online7673mech From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 722 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 42033 times:
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ILF/NLH Line 112 delivered.
Flies away on Saturday.

One of you asks for sources always - ILF.


User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2335 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 41803 times:

Quoting Dan23 (Reply 4):
Moonm has pics of V8-DBA:

That should be DLA

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2849/9577638111_b3e4d16f23_b.jpg
ROYAL BRUNEI V8-DLA Boeing 787 by moonm, on Flickr

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3770/9577638305_e4deabac99_b.jpg
ROYAL BRUNEI V8-DLA Boeing 787 by moonm, on Flickr

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5448/9580425480_f5f7a54222_b.jpg
ROYAL BRUNEI V8-DLA Boeing 787 by moonm, on Flickr

Nice shots though.



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User currently offlinestarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1126 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 41631 times:

Any indication on why Vt-ANN undelivered?

Other than the wild laughter from the bankers when Boeing asked if the check would clear?



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3443 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 41538 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 6):

Boring livery. Good to see something new.

tortugamon


User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1821 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 41452 times:

Those AI birds have flown a lot of test flights, I wonder when B just feel i´s not worth it anymore and cancel the sales?

User currently offlineAirIndia111 From India, joined Aug 2013, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 41316 times:

Matt Cawby tweeted that VT-ANN had a maintenance engine run on 23rd August. That's the only update we have had on it since 20th August.

On the other hand, any idea if we have an AI team in CHS to take delivery of VT-ANO?

AI should be taking delivery of ANN or ANO very soon to start Oz flights from 29th August. Otherwise, they will have to scale down the current 787 ops.

Quoting sweair (Reply 9):

This is because ANN had some issues with the Transformer Rectifier Unit and Boeing did a replacement of the P300 panel.


User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30922 posts, RR: 87
Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 41317 times:
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AI's first tranche of 777-200LRs and 777-300ERs sat at PAE for months once they were completed before AI sent crews to pick them up, so why be different with their 787-8s?  

User currently offlineDan23 From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 41260 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 6):
That should be DLA

Indeed. Auto-correct can be frustrating!


It is a boring livery, especially compared to their previous scheme.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11388 posts, RR: 33
Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 41208 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 8):
Boring livery. Good to see something new.

I agree. Where is all the yellow  


V8-BLC Boeing 777-212(ER) Royal Brunei Airlines by Robert Frola, on Flickr

http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/photos/big/00012382.jpg



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11388 posts, RR: 33
Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 41075 times:

Air India LN30 (VT-ANE) is getting its engines installed:


Boeing 787 Reworks. by moonm, on Flickr

More pictures here:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/9580389972/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/9577603617/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/9580389506/

@nyc777 Seems like this is Bay AW.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11388 posts, RR: 33
Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 41033 times:

Quote:
Another early bird has been towed to the EMC. Look for the 2 ANA tails in this picture:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bernieleighton/9561382772

I found the answer in moonm's pictures: Transaero Airlines LN12, ex-ANA JA805A, has joined LN14 at the EMC:


Boeing 787 Reworks. by moonm, on Flickr

To sum up:

> UN LN11: inside the EMC, bay D (ex ANA JA804A)
> UN LN12: outside the EMC, position ?? (ex ANA JA805A)
> UN LN14: outside the EMC, position 3 (ex ANA JA809A)
> UN LN22: storage (ex ANA, never had a registration)

[Edited 2013-08-24 04:09:51]


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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3443 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 40400 times:

ZB001 (787-9) has rolled out of 40-24.

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/371380979136356352/photo/1

tortugamon


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11388 posts, RR: 33
Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 40362 times:

And on the move.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BSdn3HSCYAAnXhV.jpg:large

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/371379690822328320/photo/1



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3443 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 40327 times:

Heading back into paint according to Matt. Interesting.

tortugamon


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11388 posts, RR: 33
Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 40301 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 18):
Heading back into paint according to Matt. Interesting.

They probably made some scratches to the paint during the installation of the test equipment. I never understood why they painted it before assembly was finished.



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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3522 posts, RR: 27
Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 40266 times:
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They're preparing for A.net comments by painting a bullseye on the side.

User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3443 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 40166 times:

Matt is now saying that it is heading into the paint hangar just to get weighed and it should be at the fuel doc shortly. Engine run in a couple days maybe FF in a week or two?

tortugamon


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3443 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 40002 times:

What a beauty:



tortugamon


User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2335 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 40005 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 22):
What a beauty:

   Indeed  

In other 787 news, EI-LNB is being prepared for it delivery flight:

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/371426452396191744

[Edited 2013-08-24 17:27:23]


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30922 posts, RR: 87
Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 39816 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 19):
I never understood why they painted it before assembly was finished.

I would not be surprised if properly masking all the test equipment hanging off the outside would be a pain in the bum and if you didn't do it properly, you could damage (or even destroy) the testing equipment.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5753 posts, RR: 47
Reply 25, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 40205 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 21):
Matt is now saying that it is heading into the paint hangar just to get weighed and it should be at the fuel doc shortly. Engine run in a couple days maybe FF in a week or two?

I think 2- 3 weeks is more like it. They want to take things very carefully with this one.



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3443 posts, RR: 10
Reply 26, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 40264 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 25):
I think 2- 3 weeks is more like it. They want to take things very carefully with this one.

Didn't the A350-900 fly within 5 weeks from roll out? It has now been five weeks for the 789. I am not sure how much testing equipment was installed during A350 rollout but then again, I would also expect the time to first flight for the 789, as a derivative, to be quicker to accomplish.


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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3522 posts, RR: 27
Reply 27, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days ago) and read 40768 times:
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Quoting tortugamon (Reply 26):
Didn't the A350-900 fly within 5 weeks from roll out? It has now been five weeks for the 789.

The two companies have very different processes in regards to test planes.. plus Boeing messed up the 788 so they will be extra careful with this one. It's not a race.


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6372 posts, RR: 3
Reply 28, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 40582 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 27):
The two companies have very different processes in regards to test planes.. plus Boeing messed up the 788 so they will be extra careful with this one. It's not a race.

Not to mention that the 789 is a derivative of the 788, so to the general public, the first flight of the 787-9 is anticlimactic at best...the public does not appreciate how much extra work in engineering and certification goes into a slightly longer 788  



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User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1821 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 40500 times:

It wins over thee 788 on looks for sure, not as stubby, slender and sharp one this. It will probably be the better selling over time as well.

User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3443 posts, RR: 10
Reply 30, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 40477 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 27):
plus Boeing messed up the 788 so they will be extra careful with this one.

So you are suggesting that they were not careful with flight testing on the 788? And spending an extra week of testing will prevent a huge problem like a SOB join? One you complete the pre flight tests is there much value in doing them again?

I did not make a claim that they should rush; I am just wondering when the first flight might be. I use the A359 as a guide but not a tell tail sign. If you have an opinion on when they flight do the flight testing, would love to hear it.


tortugamon


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11388 posts, RR: 33
Reply 31, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 40228 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 26):
It has now been five weeks for the 789.

Not really. During the last 5 weeks, test equipment was installed and it officially rolled out last night. Now they can start fuel tank tests, APU runs, gauntlet and vibration tests etc. I'd say it should fly in the second half of next month, 3 to 4 weeks from now.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 26):
I am not sure how much testing equipment was installed during A350 rollout but then again, I would also expect the time to first flight for the 789, as a derivative, to be quicker to accomplish.

Everything was installed during assembly.



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User currently onlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 596 posts, RR: 3
Reply 32, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 39746 times:

EI-LNB (Norwegian #2 / ILFC #3) on its way home!
http://www.flightradar24.com/NLH1A
7th in August so far. 80th in total.
Up to 4 more (2x AI + 1x JAL + 1x HIA) to go by end of next week.
A

[Edited 2013-08-25 08:38:59]

User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3522 posts, RR: 27
Reply 33, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 39519 times:
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Quoting tortugamon (Reply 30):
So you are suggesting that they were not careful with flight testing on the 788?

No I was saying that they got in trouble with the press/public/A.net for publishing schedules and missing..

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 30):
I did not make a claim that they should rush;

I sensed that however when the original comment included a comparison, it alluded to a competition between suppliers, which it is not an at this stage should never be.


User currently offlinepdxswa From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 39449 times:
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Anyone have a clue to who's 787 this one is ?


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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2335 posts, RR: 1
Reply 35, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 39345 times:

Quoting pdxswa (Reply 34):
Anyone have a clue to who's 787 this one is ?

I think this is one of the early frames that was supposed to go to LA. So its either LN10 or LN16, I think.



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User currently offlinepdxswa From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 39247 times:
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817Dreamliner thank you

User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3443 posts, RR: 10
Reply 37, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 39134 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 33):
No I was saying that they got in trouble with the press/public/A.net for publishing schedules and missing..

Over-promising and under-delivering is a bad thing. I also think they should not be giving exact timelines for first flight.

Quoting kanban (Reply 33):
I sensed that however when the original comment included a comparison, it alluded to a competition between suppliers, which it is not an at this stage should never be.

I am similarly annoyed with the constant comparisons between the programs. I was just using available information to give me an idea of how it will take to see her in the air. Can't wait.

tortugamon


User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2703 posts, RR: 1
Reply 38, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 39043 times:

DELIVERED TO DATE: 80 Aircraft to 14 Airlines

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO AUGUST
NH-20; JL-10; AI-7; UA–7; QR-7; ET-5; LO-5; LA-3; BY-3; BA-2; CZ-2; DY-1; HU-1

AUGUST DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 116 - A7-BCG – 8/9/2013 - QR #8
L/N 115 – N961AM - 8/16/2013 - AM #1 (ILFC)
L/N 106 - G-TUID – 8/16/2013 – BY #4
L/N 110 - JA822A - 8/20/2013 - NH #21
L/N 120 - JA823A - 8/21/2013 - NH #22
L/N 93 - B-2732 – 8/22/2013 - CZ #3
L/N 112 – EI-LNB - 8/23/2013 - DY #2 (ILFC)

AIRCRAFT THAT HAVE COMPLETED MAJOR ASSEMBLY & CHANGE INCORPORATION*
L/N 90 - VT-ANN – 8/xx/2013 - AI #8
L/N 91 - VT-ANO – 8/xx/2013 - AI #9
L/N 21 – JA823J – 8/xx/2013 - JL #11
L/N 109 - A7-BCF – 8/xx/2013 - QR #9
L/N 113 - CC-BBD - 8/xx/2013 - LA #5
L/N 73 - B-2728 – 8/xx/2013 - HU #2
L/N 114 – G-ZBJC - 9/xx/2013 - BA #3
L/N 100 - B-2736 – 9/xx/2013 – CZ #4
L/N 85 - B–2730 - 9/xx/2013 - HU #3
L/N 104 - B-2737 – x/xx/2013 – CZ #5
L/N 81 - B-2723 – x/xx/2013 - HU #4
L/N 43 - B-2727 – x/xx/2013 - CZ #6 (Storage)
L/N 107 - JA821A - x/xx/2013 - NH #23 Awaiting first flight
L/N 118 - CC-BBE - 9/xx/2013 - LA #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 121 – G-ZBJD - x/xx/2013 - BA #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 122 – N964AM - 9/xx/2013 - AM #2 (ILFC) Awaiting first flight
L/N 123 – VH-VKA – 9/xx/2013 – JQ #1 Awaiting first flight
L/N 127 – N965AM - 9/xx/2013 - AM #3 (ILFC) Awaiting first flight
L/N 124 - N27908 - 9/xx/2013 - UA #8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 128 – V8-DLA - x/xx/2013 – BI #1 Awaiting first flight
L/N 32 - VT-ANG – x/xx/2013 - AI #10 Awaiting first flight
L/N 30 - VT-ANE – x/xx/2013 - AI #11 Awaiting first flight
L/N 36 - B-2726 – x/xx/2013 – CZ #7 Awaiting first flight
L/N 79 - B-27?? – x/xx/2014 - HU #5 Awaiting first flight (Storage)
L/N 119 - B-2738 – x/xx/2014 – CZ #8 Awaiting first flight

*Not including the delivered aircraft and test aircraft (ZA001-006 & ZB001)


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11388 posts, RR: 33
Reply 39, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 38766 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 35):
I think this is one of the early frames that was supposed to go to LA. So its either LN10 or LN16, I think.
Quoting pdxswa (Reply 36):
817Dreamliner thank you

Indeed it is either LN10 or LN16, originally destined for LAN. The picture was taken at Kilo South. Unfortunately both 787s never received a registration number so it's impossible to know which one of the 2 the picture is.



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3443 posts, RR: 10
Reply 40, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 38666 times:

Looks like Boeing has put the flags of customers on the 787-9 as well. I am having trouble uploading but you can find it here from Matt:

http://paineairport.com/kpae6635.htm

tortugamon


User currently offlinepdxswa From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 38539 times:
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KarelXWB thanks for confirming that for me and everyone else here.

User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5753 posts, RR: 47
Reply 42, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 38519 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 26):
Didn't the A350-900 fly within 5 weeks from roll out? It has now been five weeks for the 789. I am not sure how much testing equipment was installed during A350 rollout but then again, I would also expect the time to first flight for the 789, as a derivative, to be quicker to accomplish.

The aircraft has to go through gauntlet testing including APU and engine runs followed by taxi tests then first flight.

[Edited 2013-08-25 15:53:28]


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User currently offlinezkokq From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 475 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 38525 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 40):

No Qantas tail, even though they hold 50 options. Interesting!


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5753 posts, RR: 47
Reply 44, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 38504 times:

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 32):
Up to 4 more (2x AI + 1x JAL + 1x HIA) to go by end of next week.

Don't know about AI...they have financing issues.



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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2335 posts, RR: 1
Reply 45, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 38543 times:

-9 Currently being fueled:

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/371759432171933696



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3443 posts, RR: 10
Reply 46, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 38520 times:

Quoting zkokq (Reply 43):

AC is on there and I was not sure that was firmed. I tried to identify each tail in the 787-9 rollout thread. I am missing a couple.

tortugamon


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5753 posts, RR: 47
Reply 47, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 38526 times:

Quoting zkokq (Reply 43):
No Qantas tail, even though they hold 50 options. Interesting!

They have to convert them into firm orders first.



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30922 posts, RR: 87
Reply 48, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 38387 times:
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Quoting zkokq (Reply 43):
No Qantas tail, even though they hold 50 options. Interesting!

They cancelled their firm orders, so they're not currently a customer.


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Reply 49, posted (1 year 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 37875 times:
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Guys another question this one is obvious but there is no registration on this one although it does say ANA. Is this really going to ANA ?


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11388 posts, RR: 33
Reply 50, posted (1 year 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 37773 times:

Quoting pdxswa (Reply 49):
Guys another question this one is obvious but there is no registration on this one although it does say ANA. Is this really going to ANA ?

The rejected ANA bird in storage without registration (there is only one without registration) is LN22. It will eventually go to Transaero Airlines.

[Edited 2013-08-26 01:00:56]


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11388 posts, RR: 33
Reply 51, posted (1 year 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 37688 times:

There was a line move last night, the second 787 for Royal Brunei was rolled out to the paint hangar.

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BSk8ctGCEAIRZ9_.jpg:large

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/371894908069482496

[Edited 2013-08-26 01:42:44]


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User currently offlinestarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1126 posts, RR: 2
Reply 52, posted (1 year 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 37269 times:

Boeing is going to have an issue delivering a large number of planes in Sept.

Half of the frames that 'built' are for the three airlines that don't really take deliveries. That includes three of the frames that are 'ready' to go.

Hainan may take their ready frame soon.

Here's the real question: Is AI going to be able to get financing?



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User currently onlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 596 posts, RR: 3
Reply 53, posted (1 year 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 37184 times:

Quoting starrion (Reply 52):
Boeing is going to have an issue delivering a large number of planes in Sept.

Not necessarily... Without talking about those three airlines, September should see a healthy 9 frames delivered:
> 1x ANA + 2x BA + 2x LAN + 1x QAN + 2x AMX/ILFC + 1x QTR
A


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11388 posts, RR: 33
Reply 54, posted (1 year 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 37129 times:

And don't forget Royal Brunei.


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User currently offlineSonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1777 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (1 year 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 37083 times:
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Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 53):
Not necessarily... Without talking about those three airlines, September should see a healthy 9 frames delivered:
> 1x ANA + 2x BA + 2x LAN + 1x QAN + 2x AMX/ILFC + 1x QTR
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UA is due to get a frame in September as well from Charleston.


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Reply 56, posted (1 year 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 37091 times:

Quoting starrion (Reply 52):

Well, If they run out of space at PAE they can always ferry them to the desert like the did with some of the 747-8s until they are ready to take them...



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Reply 57, posted (1 year 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 36989 times:
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KarelXWB thanks again for the help with this one.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11388 posts, RR: 33
Reply 58, posted (1 year 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 37043 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 56):
Well, If they run out of space at PAE they can always ferry them to the desert like the did with some of the 747-8s until they are ready to take them...

PAE backlog is down from 30 to 10 aircraft due to the temporary production stop, they should have enough space now.



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User currently offlinepnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2235 posts, RR: 12
Reply 59, posted (1 year 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 36909 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 46):
Quoting zkokq (Reply 43):

AC is on there and I was not sure that was firmed. I tried to identify each tail in the 787-9 rollout thread. I am missing a couple.

tortugamon

AC has firmed the split for the first tranche of aircraft with the first deliveries being 788 and then 789's coming on stream a bit later. The larger of the split is in favour of the 9. No comment yet on options being exercised.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5753 posts, RR: 47
Reply 60, posted (1 year 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 36856 times:

Quoting pnwtraveler (Reply 59):

AC has firmed the split for the first tranche of aircraft with the first deliveries being 788 and then 789's coming on stream a bit later. The larger of the split is in favour of the 9. No comment yet on options being exercised.

What is the AC split between the -8 and -9?



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User currently offlinerotating14 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 650 posts, RR: 0
Reply 61, posted (1 year 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 36790 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 60):
What is the AC split between the -8 and -9?

I found this article. It should help.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...a-to-take-22-boeing-787-9s-389266/

Quote:
"Starting in the first quarter 2014, we expect to take delivery of our first of 37 Boeing 787 aircraft, comprised of 15 787-8s and 22 787-9s," Rousseau tells analysts. "We're excited about the international growth opportunities in front of us and the industry-leading unit cost that this aircraft provides."

Rousseau adds that the carrier will now expect six 787 aircraft deliveries in 2014 instead of seven as previously indicated. One aircraft delivery has been moved from December 2014 to January 2015.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5753 posts, RR: 47
Reply 62, posted (1 year 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 36674 times:

Quoting rotating14 (Reply 61):
I found this article. It should help.

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...9266/

Thanks!



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Reply 63, posted (1 year 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 36590 times:

Quoting pnwtraveler (Reply 59):
AC has firmed the split for the first tranche of aircraft with the first deliveries being 788 and then 789's coming on stream a bit later.

Right, but it has not been updated on Boeing's O&D page yet which makes me think it is not firm. Even the flight global article says 'they will' not 'they have'. A situation that is not unlike Air Berlin; yet the AC tail is on the 787-9...

tortugamon


User currently offlinepnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2235 posts, RR: 12
Reply 64, posted (1 year 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 36548 times:

The split of 8 and 9 for AC has moved a little bit back and forth according to estimates of conditions when entering service and the routes they are slated for. It is firm now for the first tranche of deliveries. AC has a flexibility clause that allows them to switch models up to a certain point before production. That has passed for the first batch of aircraft. The first 9 deadline should be approaching soon as well. At what point it satisfies all the criteria for Boeing to put on the website is unknown to me. However, operationally for Boeing and AC it is firm. Might also shift again when the first 788 goes into service. That happened with 777 orders, once the 77L started flying, they decided they could use more 77W than the option of more of a mix of the two models. They also cancelled the 777F when they saw how much belly cargo could be shipped in the 77W.

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Reply 65, posted (1 year 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 36471 times:

Quoting pnwtraveler (Reply 64):

Gotcha.

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Reply 66, posted (1 year 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 36433 times:

Quoting starrion (Reply 52):
Half of the frames that 'built' are for the three airlines that don't really take deliveries.

I count 14 non-AI-CZ-HN aircraft that are 'finished'. Plenty to keep them busy.

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Reply 67, posted (1 year 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 36398 times:
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Quoting starrion (Reply 52):
Here's the real question: Is AI going to be able to get financing?

AI already has financing via the Export-Import Bank.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11388 posts, RR: 33
Reply 68, posted (1 year 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 36447 times:

A small update on Air India LN28 (VT-ANC).

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/371878581648908288

Quote:
Fan cowls and thrust reversers are being hung on Air India 787 VT-ANC in Bay 4 of the EMC tonight



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Reply 69, posted (1 year 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 36353 times:
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 67):
Quoting starrion (Reply 52):
Here's the real question: Is AI going to be able to get financing?

AI already has financing via the Export-Import Bank.

I thought there was a bridge financing issue that was pending? India had sent out an RFP regarding bridge financing. With no/not enough takers, it was extended.

http://mmd.airindia.co.in/aimmd/tend...0June%202013%20Date%20Extended.pdf


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Reply 70, posted (1 year 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 36327 times:
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Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 69):
I thought there was a bridge financing issue that was pending?

AI has the funding to take direct delivery from Boeing via the EX-IM bank loans.

However, AI does not wish to own the planes outright, but instead sell them to a lessor and lease them back. As I understand it, the bridge financing is to cover the costs of ownership during the period between delivery from Boeing and sale to the lessor.


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Reply 71, posted (1 year 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 36274 times:
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 70):
However, AI does not wish to own the planes outright, but instead sell them to a lessor and lease them back. As I understand it, the bridge financing is to cover the costs of ownership during the period between delivery from Boeing and sale to the lessor.

So that is where the hang-up is and the planes sit because no one finds the pre-conditions AI set to be acceptable. Shocking!


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11388 posts, RR: 33
Reply 72, posted (1 year 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 36240 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 70):
However, AI does not wish to own the planes outright, but instead sell them to a lessor and lease them back. As I understand it, the bridge financing is to cover the costs of ownership during the period between delivery from Boeing and sale to the lessor.

But non have been sold to a lessor so far.



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User currently offlineWarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 587 posts, RR: 3
Reply 73, posted (1 year 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 36231 times:

Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 69):
India had sent out an RFP regarding bridge financing. With no/not enough takers, it was extended.

Thanks for the link! I've searched for an announcement of AI having secured bridge financing, but have not been able to find anything.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 70):
As I understand it, the bridge financing is to cover the costs of ownership during the period between delivery from Boeing and sale to the lessor.

Then where do the Ex-Im Bank loans fit into the mix?



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Reply 74, posted (1 year 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 36274 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 72):
But non have been sold to a lessor so far.

Which is likely why AI is stalling on delivery, especially if they don't need to make payments on the EX-IM loans until they do.

Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 73):
Then where do the Ex-Im Bank loans fit into the mix?

If I am reading the RFPs correctly, the EX-IM bank loans provide the financing for the planes as well as providing credit insurance and guarantees so if AI sells the planes to someone, the purchaser is protected against AI defaulting on the payments. That being said, there have been many claims that the Government of India makes it very difficult for creditors to recover their assets so even if a creditor is protected from default, they may not be able to recover the 787. If this is indeed a possible situation, I could understand why potential buyers are hesitant to enter into a deal with AI.


User currently offlineWarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 587 posts, RR: 3
Reply 75, posted (1 year 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 36042 times:

2011, the Export-Import Bank approved $3.4 billion in loan guarantees to Air India

Quoting Stitch (Reply 74):
If I am reading the RFPs correctly, the EX-IM bank loans provide the financing for the planes as well as providing credit insurance and guarantees so if AI sells the planes to someone, the purchaser is protected against AI defaulting on the payments.

Not sure which RFP you're reviewing, but the RFP for the bridge-financing makes no mention of the Ex-Im Bank loans/guarantees. It seeks direct loans (without the backing of a guarantee) secured by collateral (i.e. the planes or equivalent) so AI can purchase its next batch of 5 787's. It's quite possible that AI is not availing itself to the Ex-Im financing in favor of the Bridge Loan/Sale-Leaseback structure which will free-up capital for AI to use in the short-term.



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User currently offlineAirIndia111 From India, joined Aug 2013, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 76, posted (1 year 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 36076 times:

AI had managed to raise the $200 million bridge loan from Deutsche Bank but are waiting for an approval from the Reserve Bank of India before accepting the next two 787's.

http://www.livemint.com/Companies/X0...ayed-over-approval-on-funding.html


Meanwhile, due to this delay, they have made certain changes to their domestic 787 ops and the Chennai route will be operated by A321 on 29th, 30th and 31st August. This is being done so that the SYD-MEL services can be launched from 29th August.

The Chennai route moves back to the 787 from 1st September. So AI expects that they will be able to take delivery of at least one 787 this week and put it into service from 1st September.


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Reply 77, posted (1 year 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 36201 times:
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Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 75):
Not sure which RFP you're reviewing, but the RFP for the bridge-financing makes no mention of the Ex-Im Bank loans/guarantees.

The January 23, 2013 RFP for sale and lease-back of their first seven 787-8s as well as the July 15, 2011 RFP for Long Term Loan Funds for financing the Purchase of Aircraft (specifically, said seven 787-8s and two spare engines).


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5753 posts, RR: 47
Reply 78, posted (1 year 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 35750 times:

Quoting AirIndia111 (Reply 76):
The Chennai route moves back to the 787 from 1st September. So AI expects that they will be able to take delivery of at least one 787 this week and put it into service from 1st September.

I'll believe it when I see it. God, the GoI needs to sell AI. Over 67 years of backwards socialism in this country.



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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2335 posts, RR: 1
Reply 79, posted (1 year 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 35779 times:

The 787-9 has now been moved to stall 103:

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/372111401201827841



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Reply 80, posted (1 year 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 35070 times:

(Apologies if this has been asked and answered before, but I don't see anything in the recent posts.)

On a whim I checked out San Bernardino (SBD) on flightaware today, and it looks like a Boeing 787 is doing flights out of there. Anyone know the full story? Used the identifier BOE4.


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Reply 81, posted (1 year 1 week ago) and read 35028 times:
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Quoting Newark727 (Reply 80):

(Apologies if this has been asked and answered before, but I don't see anything in the recent posts.)

On a whim I checked out San Bernardino (SBD) on flightaware today, and it looks like a Boeing 787 is doing flights out of there. Anyone know the full story? Used the identifier BOE4.

It's one of the early Boeing test a/c. Most likely, they are running certification flights for either an engine PiP or some other upgrade to the a/c.


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Reply 82, posted (1 year 1 week ago) and read 34927 times:
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Quoting starrion (Reply 52):
Boeing is going to have an issue delivering a large number of planes in Sept.

Half of the frames that 'built' are for the three airlines that don't really take deliveries. That includes three of the frames that are 'ready' to go.

Hopefully some of those airlines start accepting deliveries.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 78):
the GoI needs to sell AI.

Or let them fail...

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Reply 83, posted (1 year 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 34853 times:

Quoting Newark727 (Reply 80):
Anyone know the full story? Used the identifier BOE4.

Last month it was fitted with Trent Package C engines with better fuel burn and higher thrust. It has been doing flight tests along side ZA005 which is certifying GENx PiP2. These are engines for 787-9 variants and all variants after March of next year assuming certification and ramp up goes as planned.

More info:
http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....l/avd_06_12_2013_p01-02-587117.xml

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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11388 posts, RR: 33
Reply 84, posted (1 year 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 34145 times:

Quoting AirIndia111 (Reply 76):
So AI expects that they will be able to take delivery of at least one 787 this week and put it into service from 1st September.

Here we go:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...4/history/20130827/1800Z/KPAE/VIDP



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User currently offlineultrapig From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 585 posts, RR: 0
Reply 85, posted (1 year 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 33962 times:
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I just rejoined anet and read some of the 787 threads-Help me here. How many the early builds have been "redone" but are "orphans" awaiting buyers? Which have not been redone?

How much of an operational penalty would a company buying such a plane incur per hour(?) (CASM?) and what kind of discount would encourage someone to buy one as opposed to a model at the end of the line. Would the early builds be more to a carrier using them (for example) for demoestic US transcontiental flights or for TA flights?

Some of you are on top of this-I am not and can't go through all 19 threads.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5753 posts, RR: 47
Reply 86, posted (1 year 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 33832 times:

Boeing is sending another China Southern 787 to Ft. Worth to be painted.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE386



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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2703 posts, RR: 1
Reply 87, posted (1 year 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 33797 times:

Quoting ultrapig (Reply 85):
I just rejoined anet and read some of the 787 threads-Help me here. How many the early builds have been "redone" but are "orphans" awaiting buyers? Which have not been redone?

Welcome back!

This list will answer some of your questions...

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AtfsHdXQ5rl9dFp4b1hETmNQNzN0b2dSUlRNWEFOOVE&single=true&gid=2&output=html


User currently offlineAirIndia111 From India, joined Aug 2013, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 88, posted (1 year 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 33792 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 84):
Here we go:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A.../VIDP

Finally! I believe this will be the first time they are bringing the 787 nonstop to DEL without the technical halt at FRA.


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Reply 89, posted (1 year 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 33781 times:

Quoting AirIndia111 (Reply 88):
Finally! I believe this will be the first time they are bringing the 787 nonstop to DEL without the technical halt at FRA.

This 787 is leaving Everett, not Charleston, so it has more runway available. The runway at CHS is currently shortened due to construction.

Quoting ultrapig (Reply 85):
How many the early builds have been "redone" but are "orphans" awaiting buyers? Which have not been redone?

NYC777's spreadsheet (linked above) will tell you which frames have completed mods.

The only frames that have not yet been allocated to buyers are LN 10, 13, and 15-19. Rumor has it that five of these will go to Batik (Lion) and the other two to Rwandair. They also appear to be last in line for mods.


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5753 posts, RR: 47
Reply 90, posted (1 year 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 33634 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 89):
This 787 is leaving Everett, not Charleston, so it has more runway available. The runway at CHS is currently shortened due to construction.

This work has been completed and the runway is now open.



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User currently offlinestarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1126 posts, RR: 2
Reply 91, posted (1 year 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 33304 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 89):
NYC777's spreadsheet (linked above) will tell you which frames have completed mods.

The only frames that have not yet been allocated to buyers are LN 10, 13, and 15-19. Rumor has it that five of these will go to Batik (Lion) and the other two to Rwandair. They also appear to be last in line for mods.

keep in mind that ln 4-6 will also be sold, I heard that they would go to BBJ customers. That would happen after Boeing was finished with the test program

LN6 has been in refurb for some time. Are they making any progress down in SAT with it or is it sitting?



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Reply 92, posted (1 year 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 33132 times:

Quoting AirIndia111 (Reply 88):
Finally! I believe this will be the first time they are bringing the 787 nonstop to DEL without the technical halt at FRA.

Wonder why, though, they chose to fly East over Iceland instead of taking a much more direct polar route:

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=PAE-BOM



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Reply 93, posted (1 year 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 33082 times:

Quoting starrion (Reply 91):
keep in mind that ln 4-6 will also be sold

I wonder how soon though. Once the Package C and PiP2 engines are certified I wonder if they will begin the refurb process or if they will keep one or two of the frames for further testing. I can't see ZA006 coming back into testing; I imagine that will be shipped out as soon as it is ready but ZA004-5?

I imagine they will want aircraft to test Trent Ten and the GENx for the 787-10 in 2015/2016 and it sounds like they will need flight testing for some of the 789 improvements that will need to be rolled back into the 788.

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Reply 94, posted (1 year 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 33047 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 93):
I imagine they will want aircraft to test Trent Ten and the GENx for the 787-10 in 2015/2016 and it sounds like they will need flight testing for some of the 789 improvements that will need to be rolled back into the 788.

If they do need an aircraft for testing, they still have ZA003 for that purpose.


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Reply 95, posted (1 year 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 33064 times:
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Quoting starrion (Reply 91):
keep in mind that ln 4-6 will also be sold...
Quoting tortugamon (Reply 93):
I wonder how soon though. Once the Package C and PiP2 engines are certified I wonder if they will begin the refurb process or if they will keep one or two of the frames for further testing.

They still have ZA003, which was used to test some of the systems implemented on the 787-9 (including the hybrid laminar flow control system for the leading edge of the vertical stabilizer), available (I believe she's now parked in Moses Lake without engines). They could probably also use ZA002 for RR engine testing.

[Edited 2013-08-27 12:48:09]

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Reply 96, posted (1 year 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 32766 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 95):
They still have ZA003, which was used to test some of the systems implemented on the 787-9 (including the hybrid laminar flow control system for the leading edge of the vertical stabilizer), available (I believe she's now parked in Moses Lake without engines). They could probably also use ZA002 for RR engine testing.

Which is pretty much what I thought. ZA001 may get stuck in a museum, but there is no reason to tie down 4-6 when they can actually be sold.

Not being too greedy, will AI also take -ANO?



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3443 posts, RR: 10
Reply 97, posted (1 year 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 32716 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 94):
they still have ZA003 for that purpose.
Quoting Stitch (Reply 95):
They still have ZA003, which was used to test some of the systems implemented on the 787-9 (including the hybrid laminar flow control system for the leading edge of the vertical stabilizer), available (I believe she's now parked in Moses Lake without engines). They could probably also use ZA002 for RR engine testing.

Good point. Have ZA004 & 5 gone through the EMC process to get their wiring, ECS, etc up to spec or do they need that work in addition to the testing equipment removal and new interior mods? I assume 2 & 3 have not had any of this work done.

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Reply 98, posted (1 year 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 32706 times:

So VT-ANN has actually taken off.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...4/history/20130827/1800Z/KPAE/VIDP

Even for AI that was a tortuous delivery saga.

I hope this means they now have financing secured and approved by the bureaucracy for their next four frames, as contemplated in the bridge financing RFP -- I assume VT-ANO, VT-ANG, VT-ANE, and whichever of VT-ANC or VT-ANP is ready to fly first.

[Edited 2013-08-27 14:34:26]

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Reply 99, posted (1 year 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 31849 times:

Here is VT-ANN on approach to Runway 29 at DEL.



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Reply 100, posted (1 year 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 31762 times:
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Quoting seabosdca (Reply 98):
I hope this means they now have financing secured and approved by the bureaucracy for their next four frames

I thought AI had only secured for two more... note, I'm asking and wish clarification.


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User currently offlineAirIndia111 From India, joined Aug 2013, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 101, posted (1 year 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 31734 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 100):
I thought AI had only secured for two more... note, I'm asking and wish clarification.

They had secured the bridge financing for the next 5 787's in July. VT-ANN is the first one to be delivered since then.

http://articles.economictimes.indiat...eamliners-air-india-27-dreamliners

Apart from this, they still need to get approvals from a host of other bureaucratic setups before taking delivery of the 787's. Reserve Bank of India (RBI) is one of them and the latest delay in accepting ANN / ANO is because RBI didn't give its approval on time.

[Edited 2013-08-28 06:44:11]

User currently online7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1553 posts, RR: 8
Reply 102, posted (1 year 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 31485 times:

Looks like BAB ZA452 (114) is filed for a C-1 (?) this morning:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...2/history/20130828/1600Z/KPAE/KMWH


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Reply 103, posted (1 year 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 31309 times:

Interesting news regarding the new

"Xiamen Airlines' 787 delivery schedule: july, october 2014, february, april, june and september 2015"
http://twitter.com/tohmavis/status/372657311107403776

Matt C says the APU is currently being run on ZB001.


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Reply 104, posted (1 year 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 31183 times:

[quote=tortugamon,reply=83]Last month it was fitted with Trent Package C engines with better fuel burn and higher thrust. It has been doing flight tests along side ZA005 which is certifying GENx PiP2. These are engines for 787-9 variants and all variants after March of next year assuming certification and ramp up goes as planned.

More info:
http://www.aviationweek.com/Article....l/avd_06_12_2013_p01-02-587117.xml

tortugamon



so does this add up to a 3.2% improvement for the RR powered 789 at EIS ?


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Reply 105, posted (1 year 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 31053 times:
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Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 104):
So does this add up to a 3.2% improvement for the RR powered 789 at EIS ?

There's been a fair bit of conflicting information posted on how the various PiPs have addressed the original SFC miss, which was reported to be around 5% on the baseline engines delivered to ZA001.

Package A engines appear to have been 4.3% below spec SFC and I've seen reports saying Package B engines are anywhere between 2.8% and 0.8% below spec SFC. So depending on who you believe, Package C engines should be anywhere between 1.8% below spec SFC to 0.2% better than spec SFC.

When first floated by RR, they noted Package C would reduce SFC by 2%, but that now is reported as 1% in the latest Aviation Week article.


User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2335 posts, RR: 1
Reply 106, posted (1 year 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 30529 times:

JAL JA832J is at the Delivery Center:

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/372851737993822208



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User currently offlinemilestones787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 72 posts, RR: 0
Reply 107, posted (1 year 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 30407 times:

Always good to see another "early bird" get delivered!

User currently offlineaudidudi From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 445 posts, RR: 0
Reply 108, posted (1 year 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 30055 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 106):

The registration is actually JA823J as quoted in the twitter link!


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13039 posts, RR: 100
Reply 109, posted (1 year 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 30002 times:
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Quoting milestones787 (Reply 107):
Always good to see another "early bird" get delivered!


Happy to see LN21 go out the door.

I cannot wait to see further LN7-LN19 go out. I was happy to see 3 go out the door in twelve months, but none for 13 months... I would like to know more why *none* progressed for so long. Was it the battery fix pulling off crews from tackling the 'terrible teens?'

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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5411 posts, RR: 4
Reply 110, posted (1 year 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 29786 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 109):
I cannot wait to see further LN7-LN19 go out. I was happy to see 3 go out the door in twelve months, but none for 13 months... I would like to know more why *none* progressed for so long. Was it the battery fix pulling off crews from tackling the 'terrible teens?'

EMC layoffs can't have helped. When the remaining birds to be modified (once JL LN20 is complete any day now) are for AI, UN, ID, and possibly WB, I can easily imagine you'd throw more resources at increasing the production rate of new birds, at the expense of EMC work.

[Edited 2013-08-28 21:51:36]

[Edited 2013-08-28 21:52:20]

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11388 posts, RR: 33
Reply 111, posted (1 year 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 29543 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 109):
I would like to know more why *none* progressed for so long. Was it the battery fix pulling off crews from tackling the 'terrible teens?'

Boeing did finish more early birds (LN43, LN36, LN32) but the customers (CZ and AI) seems not to be ready yet to accept them.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11388 posts, RR: 33
Reply 112, posted (1 year 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 29483 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 111):
LN43

Speaking about LN43, it's back on the flightline and the tape is being removed.



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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2335 posts, RR: 1
Reply 113, posted (1 year 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 29274 times:

Quoting audidudi (Reply 108):
The registration is actually JA823J as quoted in the twitter link!

oops, typo... my bad 



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11388 posts, RR: 33
Reply 114, posted (1 year 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 29004 times:

HU B-2728 (LN73) delivery flight:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...8/history/20130829/1700Z/KPAE/ZJHK



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11388 posts, RR: 33
Reply 115, posted (1 year 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 28663 times:

ZA005 scheduled for Cold Bay today.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...5/history/20130829/1600Z/KBFI/PACD



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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2335 posts, RR: 1
Reply 116, posted (1 year 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 28478 times:

ZB001 has done its first engine run (photo included):

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/373101314902745088



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User currently online7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1553 posts, RR: 8
Reply 117, posted (1 year 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 28366 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 115):
ZA005 scheduled for Cold Bay today.


Chasing winds?


User currently offlineWarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 587 posts, RR: 3
Reply 118, posted (1 year 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 28332 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 117):
Chasing winds?

Forecast there is for 20KTS. How does that rate?

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 116):
ZB001 has done its first engine run

APU start and first engine run seems to have been performed quickly after roll-out. Might they need only perform a mini-gauntlet given common systems before proceeding to taxi testing and first flight? This bird is going to look awesome in flight!



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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5411 posts, RR: 4
Reply 119, posted (1 year 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 28340 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 112):
Speaking about LN43, it's back on the flightline and the tape is being removed.

This will make five birds for CZ on the two flightlines (LN36, LN43, LN100, LN104, LN119), with none being stored... are they planning to take a bunch of them in a hurry?


User currently online7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1553 posts, RR: 8
Reply 120, posted (1 year 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 28236 times:

Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 118):
Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 117):
Chasing winds?

Forecast there is for 20KTS. How does that rate?


The test was probably scheduled yesterday based on expected winds today. Flight plan was also probably filed yesterday. Looks like they'd be after tail winds most likely and if they don't go it's because the present winds didn't meet their expectations -- happens all the time -- they've probably been on a "wind watch" lately looking for a target of opportunity. Believe me, there's absolutely no other reason to go to Cold Bay and back the same day -- I've been there..


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11388 posts, RR: 33
Reply 121, posted (1 year 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 28226 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 119):
(LN36, LN43, LN100, LN104, LN119)

The first 4 should deliver this year; LN104 is currently in FTW for painting and LN119 has yet to make its first flight.



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User currently offlineOldAeroGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 3509 posts, RR: 66
Reply 122, posted (1 year 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 28201 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 120):
Believe me, there's absolutely no other reason to go to Cold Bay and back the same day -- I've been there.

Better than going to Cold Bay and staying.



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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2703 posts, RR: 1
Reply 123, posted (1 year 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 28176 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 119):
This will make five birds for CZ on the two flightlines (LN36, LN43, LN100, LN104, LN119), with none being stored... are they planning to take a bunch of them in a hurry?

According to KarelXWB from the previous thread, this was the plan as of about 2-3 weeks ago. But it already has deviated from that so who knows...my corrections are in CAPS...

CZ
> LN34 (sn 34923), B-2725, delivered
> LN36 (sn 34924), to be B-2726, delivery 2013
> LN43 (sn 34925), to be B-2727, delivery 2013
> LN93 (sn 34926), to be B-2732, delivery 2013 - DELIVERED 8/22
> LN95 (sn 34927), B-2733, delivered
> LN100 (sn 34929), to be B-2736, delivery August 2013 - NOT DELIVERED IN AUGUST SO FAR
> LN104 (sn 34930), to be B-2737, delivery September 2013
> LN119 (sn ?????), to be B-????, delivery 2014
> LN154 (sn ?????), to be B-2740, delivery 2014

HU
> LN73 (sn 34938), to be B-2728, delivery 2013 - DELIVERED 8/28
> LN76 (sn 34939), B-2722, delivered
> LN79 (sn ?????), to be B-2724, delivery 2014
> LN81 (sn 34944), to be B-2723, delivery 2013
> LN85 (sn 34943), to be B-2730, delivery August 2013 - NOT DELIVERED IN AUGUST SO FAR
> LN131 (sn ????), to be B-2738, delivery 2014
> LN151 (sn ????), to be B-2739, delivery 2015


User currently offlinephxa340 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 888 posts, RR: 1
Reply 124, posted (1 year 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 28151 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 105):

With the engines almost at Spec and a 2% lighter frame, will this help the 9 gain some range ?


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11388 posts, RR: 33
Reply 125, posted (1 year 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 28135 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 123):
According to KarelXWB from the previous thread, this was the plan as of about 2-3 weeks ago. But it already has deviated from that so who knows...my corrections are in CAPS...

Yes it seems LN100 and LN85 have swapped with LN93 and LN73 respectively.



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User currently offlinepdxswa From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 126, posted (1 year 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 28031 times:
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Everyone I have a quick question that may or may not have been answered previously. There is an ANA 787 with ANA livery no registration only number 18 on the nose. Is this line no.18 ?

User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2335 posts, RR: 1
Reply 127, posted (1 year 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 28107 times:

Quoting pdxswa (Reply 126):

Yes that would be L/N 18.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11388 posts, RR: 33
Reply 128, posted (1 year 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 28133 times:

If you mean this number than yes, it is LN18:


Boeing 787 A/C 18 by moonm, on Flickr



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User currently offlinepdxswa From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 129, posted (1 year 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 27990 times:
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817Dreamliner and KarelXWB thank you yes this is the one

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11388 posts, RR: 33
Reply 130, posted (1 year 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 27991 times:

Quoting pdxswa (Reply 129):
817Dreamliner and KarelXWB thank you yes this is the one

And while LN18 doesn't wear a registration, it was registered as JA811A and later re-registered as JA827A. All ANA early birds were re-registered before being rejected.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11388 posts, RR: 33
Reply 131, posted (1 year 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 27978 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 116):
ZB001 has done its first engine run (photo included):

Another picture here:

http://twitpic.com/daxrkl



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User currently online7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1553 posts, RR: 8
Reply 132, posted (1 year 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 27896 times:

BAB ZA452 (114) out for a C-2 today, completing the C-1 from yesterday:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE452


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6372 posts, RR: 3
Reply 133, posted (1 year 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 27851 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 132):
BAB ZA452 (114) out for a C-2 today, completing the C-1 from yesterday:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE452

Was the original C-1 interrupted by weather? We had some atrocious aviation weather here in PDX land starting yesterday evening and going through this morning...convective and all! I woke up to a full on thunderstorm at 4:30 this morning...



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11388 posts, RR: 33
Reply 134, posted (1 year 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 27812 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 130):
And while LN18 doesn't wear a registration, it was registered as JA811A and later re-registered as JA827A. All ANA early birds were re-registered before being rejected.

Here is the whole list:

> LN11 (ZA500) => JA804A => JA818A
> LN12 (ZA501) => JA805A => JA821A
> LN13 (ZA502) => JA806A => JA822A
> LN14 (ZA503) => JA809A => JA819A
> LN15 (ZA504) => JA823A
> LN18 (ZA505 / ZA108) => JA827A
> LN22 (ZA115) => JA820A



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3443 posts, RR: 10
Reply 135, posted (1 year 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 27524 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 119):
This will make five birds for CZ on the two flightlines (LN36, LN43, LN100, LN104, LN119), with none being stored... are they planning to take a bunch of them in a hurry?

There could be a couple other explanations:
(1) LN43 is configured a particular way and they (recently) decided to prioritize that aircraft
(2) CZ prefers to pick up aircraft in PAE for various reasons (the two ready for customer flight aircraft are in SC)
(3) After delivering 16 787s out of Everett in the last two months and producing only 4 there is now room for it
(4) They needed to make room at the EMC for some changes that are due any day now.

You could be right though, maybe they are planning 3 or so deliveries in the next month.

EDIT: it is interesting that LN43 has flown five test flights so once it gets its battery fix, a tune up, and maybe a fresh touch up, it shouldn't take that long to get her ready.

Also interesting to note:
Right now LN43 is one of only two of Everett 787s to have flown. I can't remember the last time that happened. September may be a slow month.

tortugamon

[Edited 2013-08-29 13:43:27]

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11388 posts, RR: 33
Reply 136, posted (1 year 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 27540 times:

Few more pictures of ZB001:

http://www.airlinereporter.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/789aerial.jpg

http://www.airlinereporter.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/789b.jpg

Found on http://www.airlinereporter.com/2013/...7-9-dreamliner-on-the-flight-line/



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6372 posts, RR: 3
Reply 137, posted (1 year 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 27487 times:

So according to the spreadsheet at all things 787,

No more aircraft are stored on PAE's crosswind runway (11/29).

Can anyone verify? 



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3443 posts, RR: 10
Reply 138, posted (1 year 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 27439 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 137):
No more aircraft are stored on PAE's crosswind runway (11/29).

I see 10, 12, 13, 15, 18, and 22 located there.

tortugamon


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6372 posts, RR: 3
Reply 139, posted (1 year 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 27413 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 138):
I see 10, 12, 13, 15, 18, and 22 located there.

tortugamon

Bummer, you're right   Must have not looked close enought the first time.



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User currently online7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1553 posts, RR: 8
Reply 140, posted (1 year 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 27328 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 133):
Was the original C-1 interrupted by weather? We had some atrocious aviation weather here in PDX land starting yesterday evening and going through this morning...convective and all! I woke up to a full on thunderstorm at 4:30 this morning...


No, I think there was an issue with the airplane because they diverted prior to descending from FL390 and went back over to MWH this morning to pick up the approaches which they could have done at PAE yesterday if it was just a weather problem at MWH.


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3443 posts, RR: 10
Reply 141, posted (1 year 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 27283 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 139):
Bummer, you're right  

It is a bummer. But I think we will see a movement or two soon. I think Karel has indicated that LN 26 and LN 28 should be moving out of the EMC soon and engines were put on LN 20 last week. LN6 has been being worked on San Antonio for a long time too. Others may have a better idea but I wouldn't be surprised to see a couple come off the runway by the end of the year.

This is plenty of exciting for me:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 116):

ZB001 has done its first engine run (photo included):
http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/...45088

...

Quoting phxa340 (Reply 124):
With the engines almost at Spec and a 2% lighter frame, will this help the 9 gain some range ?

The result would be minimal in terms of range. Fuel burn is where the effects would be felt. But it is a great sign.

Now if only the engines can hit their targets and if the improvements can be seamlessly introduced into 118t OEW 787-8...In my opinion its hard to see how many airlines would chose a 118t 788 over a 124t 789 with its more range, cargo, and passengers.

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User currently offlinejetblastdubai From United States of America, joined Aug 2013, 689 posts, RR: 0
Reply 142, posted (1 year 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 27215 times:
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Technical question: I notice that all the 787 models as well as all the A350 models have only tandem main landing gears as opposed to the triple-truck main gear on the 777s.

According to the Boeing web site:
777's have a MTOW of between 545K (772) and 775K (77W)
787's have a MTOW of between 502K (788) and 553K (789 and 78J)
A35J has a MTOW of a bit over 600K.


Naturally the 77W is quite a bit heavier than any 787 or A350 but the B772 and B772ER are in the same weight ballpark.

Are there going to be any airport weight restrictions with these new, very heavy A/C without the 3rd wheel to disperse the weight or is the 777 simply over-designed for future weight increases?

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User currently online7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1553 posts, RR: 8
Reply 143, posted (1 year 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 27178 times:

Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 142):
Are there going to be any airport weight restrictions with these new, very heavy A/C without the 3rd wheel to disperse the weight or is the 777 simply over-designed for future weight increases?

There's got to be some airplane guru out there that knows the answer.


If you look at the attached you'll see the weight bearing capacity for each of the three runways at SEATAC which should answer your question.

http://www.globalair.com/airport/apt.runway.aspx?aptcode=SEA


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3443 posts, RR: 10
Reply 144, posted (1 year 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 27158 times:

Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 142):
There's got to be some airplane guru out there that knows the answer.

I would not call myself a guru but a couple of notes:

(1) I think the 351 has been announced to have a 6 wheel MLG not a 4.
(2) Both the 787 and A350 have redesigned their MLG to handle more weight than previous models preventing restrictions:
(a) The 359 is positioning more space in between tires to limit pavement loading
(b) The 787 is using a different tire that can handle the additional weight (wider and tougher I believe)
(c) The 787-10 is using the same MTOW as the -9 partially because this MLG is nearly maxed out at 251t. There has been talk that there was a couple extra t in there but it has not been supported.

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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 30922 posts, RR: 87
Reply 145, posted (1 year 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 27182 times:
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Quoting phxa340 (Reply 124):
With the engines almost at Spec and a 2% lighter frame, will this help the 9 gain some range ?

Every bit will help. A 2 ton reduction in OEW is another 2 tons of fuel you can load.



Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 142):
Technical question: I notice that all the 787 models as well as all the A350 models have only tandem main landing gears as opposed to the triple-truck main gear on the 777s.

The A350-1000 will have a six-wheel main truck like the 777.



Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 142):
Are there going to be any airport weight restrictions with these new, very heavy A/C without the 3rd wheel to disperse the weight or is the 777 simply over-designed for future weight increases?

If I am reading the ACAPS correctly, the 787-8 has the same main wheel tire size (with a very similar profile) as the 777-200A / 777-200ER / 777-300A with about 10% higher pressure.

The A350-900's tires appear to be as wide as the 772/77E/773 and 788, but they are of a greater diameter and have a higher profile.


User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4962 posts, RR: 5
Reply 146, posted (1 year 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 27059 times:

Quoting phxa340 (Reply 124):
With the engines almost at Spec and a 2% lighter frame, will this help the 9 gain some range

something close to 500nm assuming 123t OEW ( as opposed to ~125 .5t ) and SFC of .955 compared with 1 showing as base in Piano-X.


User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4962 posts, RR: 5
Reply 147, posted (1 year 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 27013 times:

Quoting jetblastdubai (Reply 142):
Are there going to be any airport weight restrictions with these new, very heavy A/C without the 3rd wheel to disperse the weight or is the 777 simply over-designed for future weight increases?

Go to http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/com...ial/airports/acaps/787brochure.pdf and thumb down to Page 16 . This will answer most questions.


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Reply 148, posted (1 year 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 26673 times:
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Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 147):
This will answer most questions.

Thank you for the link. I'm impressed a small increase in tire size keeps the wheel loading the same.

Although, considering the tire spacing has increased, that implies a large increase in wheel well size for the 787-9.

If anyone has details on the wheel well changes, I'm curious. For example, are they still titanium.

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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11388 posts, RR: 33
Reply 149, posted (1 year 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 26005 times:

The Royal Brunei 787 from the other side:


V8-DLA right side by Powercube, on Flickr



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11388 posts, RR: 33
Reply 150, posted (1 year 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 26041 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 137):
No more aircraft are stored on PAE's crosswind runway (11/29).

Two 77Ws, one 748F and four 787s are currently stored on the runway.


B-2042 and a line of 787 by Powercube, on Flickr



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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2335 posts, RR: 1
Reply 151, posted (1 year 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 25905 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 150):
Two 77Ws

That should be 1 77W and 1 777F.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11388 posts, RR: 33
Reply 152, posted (1 year 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 25865 times:

Quoting phxa340 (Reply 124):
With the engines almost at Spec and a 2% lighter frame, will this help the 9 gain some range ?

It's not 2% yet, LN126 is 226.8 - 453.6 kg (500-1,000 lbs) below its manufacturer’s empty weight specification, with later-built examples being 2% below both MEW and OEW specifications (source: Aspire Aviation).



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User currently offlineAirMailer From United States of America, joined May 2006, 465 posts, RR: 0
Reply 153, posted (1 year 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 25710 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 152):
LN126 is 226.8 - 453.6 kg (500-1,000 lbs) below its manufacturer’s empty weight specification

Does any of this weight savings occur on the post-LN126 788s as well or is it exclusive to the 789s?


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11388 posts, RR: 33
Reply 154, posted (1 year 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 25689 times:

Yes, future -8s should also benefit from this weight savings.


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User currently onlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 596 posts, RR: 3
Reply 155, posted (1 year 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 25473 times:

Some info on the 74 ILFC aircraft delivery schedule (sorry no split between 788 and 789s):
2013 - 6 (2x NOR + 3x AMX + 1x VIP)
2014 - 12 (4x THA + 3x NOR + 1x AMX + 1x VIP + 3x ???)
2015 - 12
2016 - 10
2017 - 13
2018 - 17
2019 - 4

Cheers
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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5411 posts, RR: 4
Reply 156, posted (1 year 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 25458 times:

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 155):
1x VIP

Interesting. I wonder whether this is LN 6 or LN 149?


User currently onlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 596 posts, RR: 3
Reply 157, posted (1 year 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 25463 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 156):
Interesting. I wonder whether this is LN 6 or LN 149?

Its actually LN 141 for 2013 and LN 143 for 2014.
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Reply 158, posted (1 year 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 25420 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 156):
I wonder whether this is LN 6 or LN 149?

Thats the ILFC delivery schedule so it wouldnt include those two. I think L/N 149 is for Xiamen.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 155):
4x THA

When you say THA, do you mean Thai?

[Edited 2013-08-30 07:31:49]


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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5411 posts, RR: 4
Reply 159, posted (1 year 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 25407 times:

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 157):
Its actually LN 141 for 2013 and LN 143 for 2014.

Thanks. I need to read Uresh's spreadsheet a bit more carefully!


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11388 posts, RR: 33
Reply 160, posted (1 year 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 25411 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 159):
Thanks. I need to read Uresh's spreadsheet a bit more carefully!

Just bookmark this url, it makes life much easier:

http://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/p...OOVE&single=true&gid=2&output=html



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User currently offlinepnwtraveler From Canada, joined Jun 2007, 2235 posts, RR: 12
Reply 161, posted (1 year 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 25390 times:

Exciting to see new airlines popping up on the spreadsheet. Especially LN160 for Air Canada. And even sooner we will see Qantas fly. Now if only two certain countries will get their backlogs cleared and flying we will start to see more bare pavement.

User currently offlinefrigatebird From Netherlands, joined Jun 2008, 1586 posts, RR: 1
Reply 162, posted (1 year 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 25360 times:

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 155):

KL should receive their first 789 leased from ILFC in 2015 (although I've seen other reports that this has slipped into 2016).



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11388 posts, RR: 33
Reply 163, posted (1 year 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 25332 times:

Unions have been informed that the first KLM delivery is set for 2016.


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11388 posts, RR: 33
Reply 164, posted (1 year 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 25253 times:

Quoting frigatebird (Reply 162):
KL should receive their first 789 leased from ILFC in 2015 (although I've seen other reports that this has slipped into 2016).
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 163):
Unions have been informed that the first KLM delivery is set for 2016.

Sorry, I was wrong, 2015 still is the correct date. The 2016 deliveries are part of the order of 25 units and are for the Air France/KLM Group itself while the KLM 2015 deliveries will come from ILFC.

> 16x 789 aircraft for KLM, 10 will come from ILFC*
> First delivery from ILFC in 2015
> 30 business class seats
> 264 economy class seats

http://www.uncweb.nl/nieuws/articlet...g-tussen-de-cabinevakbonden-en-klm

* This means AF will eventually operate 19x 789 aircraft.

[Edited 2013-08-30 08:30:18]


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User currently offlineairnorth From Canada, joined Jun 2011, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 165, posted (1 year 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 25128 times:
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As we are coming to the end of the current list, with LN 161 currently going to LOT, and with current production at around 7 frames per month....I think?...there are only about 3 more months left until parts arrive for LN 161.
Does anyone know when we might see the next 100 of so frames added to the list?

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Reply 166, posted (1 year 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 25080 times:

Quoting airnorth (Reply 165):
Does anyone know when we might see the next 100 of so frames added to the list?

We'll have to wait till NYC777 updates it.



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Reply 167, posted (1 year 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 24920 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 150):
four 787s are currently stored on the runway.

notice all are missing trailing edge pieces on both wings and horizontal stabs..


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11388 posts, RR: 33
Reply 168, posted (1 year 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 24908 times:

I checked the database but there are no new allocations yet.


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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2703 posts, RR: 1
Reply 169, posted (1 year 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 24444 times:

Does anyone know the status of these three planes:

L/N 109 - A7-BCF – QR #9 - Flew back to CHS 3 days ago from FTW - The IFE shop should be ready for them since the last QR left for home a while ago...would love to see this deliver by tomorrow!

L/N 113 - CC-BBD - LA #5 - Flew 6 days ago after only an 8 minute flight, it's third flight. I am guessing this will be a September delivery...

L/N 107 - JA821A - NH #23 - Rolled out months ago and has yet to fly - testing for something?


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5753 posts, RR: 47
Reply 170, posted (1 year 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 24464 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 169):
L/N 109 - A7-BCF – QR #9 - Flew back to CHS 3 days ago from FTW - The IFE shop should be ready for them since the last QR left for home a while ago...would love to see this deliver by tomorrow!

Qatar's acceptance staff is being very picky on their inspections. None of the planes you mentioned will deliver until September.



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5753 posts, RR: 47
Reply 171, posted (1 year 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 24418 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 169):
L/N 113 - CC-BBD - LA #5 - Flew 6 days ago after only an 8 minute flight, it's third flight. I am guessing this will be a September delivery...

This flight number was being used by a 737-900 6 days ago, not a 787.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11388 posts, RR: 33
Reply 172, posted (1 year 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 24406 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 169):
L/N 109 - A7-BCF – QR #9 - Flew back to CHS 3 days ago from FTW - The IFE shop should be ready for them since the last QR left for home a while ago...would love to see this deliver by tomorrow!

LN109 was undergoing customer walks and they discovered an issue with the paint. This has been addressed in FTW so I expect the customer inspections to continue before it makes a customer flight in September.

Quoting United787 (Reply 169):
L/N 113 - CC-BBD - LA #5 - Flew 6 days ago after only an 8 minute flight, it's third flight. I am guessing this will be a September delivery...

LAN is not in a hurry.

Quoting United787 (Reply 169):
L/N 107 - JA821A - NH #23 - Rolled out months ago and has yet to fly - testing for something?

ANA needed the international configured birds first (JA822A and JA823A), thus JA821A (domestic config) will deliver a bit later (next month).



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3443 posts, RR: 10
Reply 173, posted (1 year 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 24301 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 164):

30 J and 264 Y and 294 total sounds a bit high to me.

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Reply 174, posted (1 year 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 24318 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 173):
30 J and 264 Y and 294 total sounds a bit high to me.

5 rows of J and 30 rows of 9Y 31" Y (minus some seats between aisles at the bulkheads)? That sounds plausible to me for a 789.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11388 posts, RR: 33
Reply 175, posted (1 year 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 24318 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 173):
30 J