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Polet Looks To Replace IL-96 With A330  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25376 posts, RR: 49
Posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 8125 times:

Polet Airlines says its looking to acquire A330 freighter aircraft as replacement for its IL-96-400T fleet which was only acquired in 2009.

Anatly Karpov, Polot's president says while the company has had "good experience" with its 4 IL-96 aircraft, but cannot operate them profitably on cargo flights to places like China due to the models high fuel burn.

He says the company sees the A330 as fitting its future needs providing 30-40% fuel burn cost reduction.

Story:
Polet eyes A330s in a bid to cut fuel bills
http://theloadstar.co.uk/polet-eyes-...siness-in-a-bid-to-cut-fuel-bills/



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User currently offlinemigair54 From Spain, joined Jun 2007, 1726 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 7659 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
Anatly Karpov, Polot's president says while the company has had "good experience" with its 4 IL-96 aircraft, but cannot operate them profitably on cargo flights to places like China due to the models high fuel burn.

He says the company sees the A330 as fitting its future needs providing 30-40% fuel burn cost reduction.

Very logical statement... 4 engine plane for a mission that a 2 engine new generation plane can do is not suitable in the long run, maybe when they started operation they got a bargain to buy that Il-96 but i don´t think they have any future with them any more.

Let´s see if they can get some money out of them, because i don´t see any use of that 4 planes the moment they retire them.


User currently offlineeicvd From Ireland, joined Mar 2008, 2163 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7471 times:

Slightly off topic but I haven't seen it reported anywhere on here, they want A320's or 737's too.

User currently offlineTC957 From UK - England, joined May 2012, 875 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7196 times:

Didn't SU have IL-96TF's on order as well for their cargo division ? But I presume with them now not even operating MD-11F's anymore, that order has been cancelled.

User currently offlineBurkhard From Germany, joined Nov 2006, 4397 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7134 times:

What a pity, I love to see these beauties in HHN.

User currently offlineKuja From Bermuda, joined Aug 2013, 80 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7040 times:

Quoting migair54 (Reply 1):
Let´s see if they can get some money out of them, because i don´t see any use of that 4 planes the moment they retire them.

Aren't these the planes to be converted from freight to pax for Cubana?

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User currently offlinemercure1 From French Polynesia, joined Jul 2008, 1476 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 6863 times:

Mon dieu what an terribly inefficient plane this must be to burn 30-40 pct more.

Even if purchase price was free, you are building a mountain of operating cost compared to someone like A330.


User currently offlinezeke From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2006, 9101 posts, RR: 75
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6688 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
He says the company sees the A330 as fitting its future needs providing 30-40% fuel burn cost reduction.

The A330 cannot lift the payload of the IL-96T



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User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25376 posts, RR: 49
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 6633 times:

Yes but how much of the IL-96 payload capability is really used?

Polet website says maximum is 92ton but the range is shortish at 4700km.

The A330 payload is up to 72tons, and has 5900km range with that per Airbus.

Unless cargo is very dense, they likely cube out faster than they weigh out.

So A330 might be able to do similar mission indeed at lower cost at end of day.



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User currently onlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 2053 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 6492 times:

How about the 777F? It can lift more and go farther than the A330F.


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User currently onlinen797mx From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 214 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 6198 times:

Quoting Kuja (Reply 5):
Aren't these the planes to be converted from freight to pax for Cubana?

I'm sure the cost to do that would be through the roof and not worth the effort. Its much harder to go cargo to pax then pax to cargo.



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User currently offlinePATRistar From Brazil, joined Aug 2013, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3041 times:

IMHO the 777F would be the right replacement for the IL-96 400T regarding payload and range.

User currently offlinena From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10735 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2729 times:

Quoting TWA772LR (Reply 9):
How about the 777F? It can lift more and go farther than the A330F.
Quoting PATRistar (Reply 11):
IMHO the 777F would be the right replacement for the IL-96 400T regarding payload and range.

If you have money to buy a Ford you dont go shopping for a Mercedes.


User currently offlineRJ263 From United States of America, joined Jul 2013, 2 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2302 times:

Quoting na (Reply 12):
If you have money to buy a Ford you dont go shopping for a Mercedes.

love the analogy. Very well put.


User currently offlineDrColenzo From UK - Scotland, joined Jan 2012, 141 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2140 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 8):

Yes but how much of the IL-96 payload capability is really used?

Polet website says maximum is 92ton but the range is shortish at 4700km.

The A330 payload is up to 72tons, and has 5900km range with that per Airbus.

Unless cargo is very dense, they likely cube out faster than they weigh out.

So A330 might be able to do similar mission indeed at lower cost at end of day.

Exactly.

I guess Polet is not using the entire 92 ton capacity because as you say they Il-96 fills up before then and therefore a A330 makes a lot more sense in terms of fuel cost and flexibility.

Quoting Kuja (Reply 5):
Aren't these the planes to be converted from freight to pax for Cubana?

I think so but again, they would have to really load the aircraft up with freight and passengers to use it efficiently - I love the IL-96 and found the Il-86 a genuine laugh but I feel very sorry for countries that cannot buy Boeing/Airbus because of either an embargo by the US or, as is more likely nowadays,being ruled by a weirdo who would buy anything as longs as it wasn't American.

Quoting na (Reply 12):
If you have money to buy a Ford you dont go shopping for a Mercedes.

Yes, sir, that is a very good way of putting it!


User currently onlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13126 posts, RR: 100
Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 1880 times:
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This seems like a wise transition. They used the IL-96 to start service and now will grow the A330F.

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
He says the company sees the A330 as fitting its future needs providing 30-40% fuel burn cost reduction.

Wow... that is a 12% to 20% reduction in cost. It will make currently un-viable routes profitable. That's more than the lease costs on the A330 and they also bring a substantial maintenance cost reduction as well as a tremendous improvement in turn time. (Russian aircraft were never built for fast turn times due to internal customs.)

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 8):
So A330 might be able to do similar mission indeed at lower cost at end of day.

Quite lower cost and better performance at range. And quads are costly, due to the maintenance, on shorter missions.

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