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New Frontier Part 43  
User currently offlinejerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2088 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 29651 times:
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Does anyone know what the mechanical issue was in ILG with N201FR. They canceled today's ILG-DEN flight and have scheduled one for tommorrow. And its currently sitting on a taxiway near the rear parking lot with what either one emergency slide deployed or stairs cant really tell. It can be seen on the ILG parking webcam (which seems to be a little iffy today)

http://70.91.57.155/video.jpg?timeou...al_Parking-Rear-South&framerate=10

[Edited 2013-08-31 14:04:20]


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User currently offlinejerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 29352 times:
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Ok, can't be N201FR because the plane is still sitting there and according to Flight-Aware N201FR is currently making the flight to DEN. It can't be a good thing to have a plane out of service when your running such a tight operation.


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User currently offlineouboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4616 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 29288 times:

Just a random thought...why is this still called "New Frontier" when they haven't really been all that new for awhile now? :-P

User currently offlinejerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 29285 times:
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I believe because they don't want to get it confused with discussions on the previous Frontier Airlines.


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User currently offlinesrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 29243 times:

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 2):
Just a random thought...why is this still called "New Frontier" when they haven't really been all that new for awhile now? :-P

Because it would be a bit morbid to call the threads "Last Frontier"......   

With the way the airline is changing, "New Frontier" is still rather appropriate and will continue to be so, especially if the deal to sell the airline to an unnamed third party.


User currently offlinesunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2058 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 29183 times:

How about Frontier 2.0.43. Then after the buyout it will become Frontier 3.0 or would it be 4.0, because it is owned by Republic which would make it 3.0. 2.0 was the restart of Frontier. LOL


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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3257 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 29182 times:

Quoting ouboy79 (Reply 2):
why is this still called "New Frontier"
Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 3):
I believe because they don't want to get it confused with discussions on the previous Frontier Airlines.

Perhaps segregating the LCC to a ULCC.

Quoting srbmod (Reply 4):
Because it would be a bit morbid to call the threads "Last Frontier"......

Besides it's already taken by Alaska the State.



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User currently offlinejerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 3 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 29072 times:
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The plane is gone from ILG (or atleast moved), so I guess they were able to fix it, hopefully its back in service now. Ouboy, I'll propose we rename the threads to "Frontier Airlines (Current) part XX"

[Edited 2013-09-01 20:34:54]


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User currently offlinejerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 28747 times:
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Looks like Frontier has discontinued Wilmington to Houston on September 30th. No press release or article but the only service to IAH after October is thru DEN on the website. I was alerted to this by a poster on another board that said that they canceled the flight but supposedly won't reroute them through DEN for free. I hope thats not true or its a misunderstanding because F9 needs to honor their committment and being that they can do it on their own metal it shouldn't be an issue.

Not surprised though at the cancelation though, Flew this route with my brother and his family a few weeks ago and the fares were rock bottom. 8 tickets at an average of $98.25 round trip.

[Edited 2013-09-03 20:05:51]


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User currently onlinethomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 4022 posts, RR: 26
Reply 9, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 28725 times:

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 8):
Looks like Frontier has discontinued Wilmington to Houston starting in October. No press release or article but the only service to IAH after October is thru DEN on the website. I was alerted to this by a poster on another board that said that they canceled the flight but supposedly won't reroute them through DEN for free. I hope thats not true or its a misunderstanding because F9 needs to honor their committment and being that they can do it on their own metal it shouldn't be an issue.

Not surprised though at the cancelation though, Flew this route with my brother and his family a few weeks ago and the fares were rock bottom. 8 tickets at an average of $98.25 round trip.

Yeah, this was an oddball route, never understood the logic in implementing it, so I am not too surprised to see it cut.



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User currently onlinethomasphoto60 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 4022 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 28719 times:

Quoting srbmod (Reply 4):
Because it would be a bit morbid to call the threads "Last Frontier"......

If some of the doomsayers are accurate it could be "The Final Frontier"   



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User currently offlineFlytravel From United States of America, joined exactly 5 years ago today! , 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 28640 times:

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 8):
I was alerted to this by a poster on another board that said that they canceled the flight but supposedly won't reroute them through DEN for free.

I'm somewhat surprised that F9 sells ILG-DEN-IAH in the first place. It's on some itineries a 10 hour trip. ILG-IAH was 1300 miles, ILG-DEN-IAH is 2401 miles. Who'd buy that ticket? I can understand east coast-DEN-SLC/LAS/west coast, but not east coast-DEN-Texas. It's not like F9's fares on the connection through DEN to IAH are priced low.

[Edited 2013-09-03 22:11:34]

User currently onlinefreakyrat From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 887 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 28617 times:
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South Bend Indiana's traffic numbers are in for July and for all of the Frontier fan's out there guess what airline led the airport in Load Factors. If you guessed Allegiant you were wrong. It was little old Frontier at 98.51%. So it begs the question what were Frontier's yields on the SBN-DEN route? If you take a look their figures this whole year with the exception of Jan, Feb, and April Frontier's loads were stellar in and out of SBN. If Frontier claims that they couldn't be profitable on the route than they were not pricing the route properly. When they pull out on Sept 8th they will have flown an estimated 21,000 or so passengers out of SBN and close to that number into SBN from Denver. These numbers are 1,000 passengers higher than my earlier figures which is even better. The numbers also prove that their is a demand seasonably for Denver service and/or better westbound connections thru Denver. These numbers are public knowledge and available to digest by Frontier's competitors like United.

User currently offlinejerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 28609 times:
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Quoting Flytravel (Reply 11):
I'm somewhat surprised that F9 sells ILG-DEN-IAH in the first place. It's on some itineries a 10 hour trip. ILG-IAH was 1300 miles, ILG-DEN-IAH is 2401 miles. Who'd buy that ticket? I can understand east coast-DEN-SLC/LAS/west coast, but not east coast-DEN-Texas. It's not like F9's fares on the connection through DEN to IAH are priced low.

I don't know if I'd fly that routing if the price was low, even at the $100RT they were offering the nonstop for. Thats a LONG day for a trip from the Philadelphia area to Texas.

Quoting freakyrat (Reply 12):
South Bend Indiana's traffic numbers are in for July and for all of the Frontier fan's out there guess what airline led the airport in Load Factors. If you guessed Allegiant you were wrong. It was little old Frontier at 98.51%. So it begs the question what were Frontier's yields on the SBN-DEN route? If you take a look their figures this whole year with the exception of Jan, Feb, and April Frontier's loads were stellar in and out of SBN. If Frontier claims that they couldn't be profitable on the route than they were not pricing the route properly. When they pull out on Sept 8th they will have flown an estimated 21,000 or so passengers out of SBN and close to that number into SBN from Denver. These numbers are 1,000 passengers higher than my earlier figures which is even better. The numbers also prove that their is a demand seasonably for Denver service and/or better westbound connections thru Denver. These numbers are public knowledge and available to digest by Frontier's competitors like United.

This is similar to the now canceled ILG-IAH flight. The flights were full but they didn't make any money off of it. There was a post on here that the average fare for this flight (as supposedly reported by a employee at ILG) was $53 each way. From the fact that it was dropped only 3 months after it started, I don't doubt it.



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User currently onlinefreakyrat From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 887 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 28567 times:
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That is where the problem lies with their planning dept. They did not need to price the flights like they did. At 98.5 load factor that is 135 passengers per flight for a flight length of 988 NM at a CASM wet at 11.9 cents a mile for the A319 (DOT Filed Figures) That comes out to a cost for a 138 seat aircraft of $16,225 for the SBN-DEN flight which means that they would have to charge those 135 passengers about $120.18 just to break even. A rounded off fare of about $150.00 per person on the SBN-DEN route would make them a small profit for the flight. The average SBN-DEN fare according to DOT figures before Frontier came was about $209.00. When all is said and done on Sept 8th Frontier would have flown over 21,000 passengers out of SBN and another 21,000 or so into SBN on 194 total flights. If they would have priced the tickets right F9 should have taken in about 8 million dollars in fares for the flights that maybe cost them 3 million to operate each way for a profit of 2 million dollars off the flights not including $700,000 in SCASD money. I mean how many $79.00 fares did they give away from, SBN-DEN. The average fare from SBN-DEN on F9 when I checked was $118.00, so they were undercutting their break even factor by a measily 2 dollars. I'm sure SBN passengers given a choice would have paid $20 more per ticket and kept the service.

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Reply 15, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 28202 times:

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 8):
Looks like Frontier has discontinued Wilmington to Houston on September 30th. No press release or article but the only service to IAH after October is thru DEN on the website.
http://www.delawareonline.com/articl...-Airlines-ends-Houston-route-Oct-2

Looks like the route is gone for good, not just a seasonal suspension.

Quoting freakyrat (Reply 14):
That is where the problem lies with their planning dept. They did not need to price the flights like they did.

How do you know this? Just because the flights were full doesn't mean they weren't pricing flights correctly. The fact is F9 wasn't able to make money on the route. They tried. The fact UA never decided to start this route even on an RJ in the past 15 years tell me the economics of the route never made sense. F9 can't run every route just in the summer. They also made the decision to cut the route even after they would have had internal info on June's performance. I'm sure every carrier matched their fares as well. So F9 was never able to decent fares on SBN-DEN-XXX flights. Also given F9's minimal profitability, they aren't cutting profitable flights. If they cut a route, it was losing money. Other posters have attempted to explain yields to you that would let you understand why they cut the flight.


User currently onlinefreakyrat From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 887 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 28159 times:
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Yields on the SBN-DEN flight may have been one factor in Frontier's decision to cut the flight. They explained to the SBN folks that they couldn't remain profitable on the route not that they weren't profitable. There was also some other factors( which I heard from F9 employees at another airport) beyond F9's control that cost them money on the route. One was their initial startup costs of establishing the station and the other I don't care to get into here.

As far as other carriers matching fares, they did to some extent and UA lost 30% of their business to F9 but lately F9 has stimulated traffic at SBN and UA has gotten their business back but DL is down a little bit.

As far as their fares go even Mike Boyd said that F9 was not pricing the flights right and giving away to many cheap seats.

UA did fly this route after deregulation in a B727. The flight was an afternoon flight that originated in FWA. UA could only get about 65 passengers at most to take the flight. Here F9 was getting 120-135 on an A319.


User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3257 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 28154 times:

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 8):
Looks like Frontier has discontinued Wilmington to Houston on September 30th.
Quoting thomasphoto60 (Reply 9):
Yeah, this was an oddball route, never understood the logic in implementing it,

I suppose F9 thought there would be a need to connect credit card America with big oil.

I'd like to see TTN connected to BNA or TTN to AUS



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User currently offlinejerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 28151 times:
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Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 17):
suppose F9 thought there would be a need to connect credit card America with big oil.

I'd like to see TTN connected to BNA or TTN to AUS

Don't think the runway is long enough to go TTN to AUS. BNA is doable but not AUS.



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User currently offlinejerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 28136 times:
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Quoting jerseyguy (Thread starter):
Does anyone know what the mechanical issue was in ILG with N201FR. They canceled today's ILG-DEN flight and have scheduled one for tommorrow. And its currently sitting on a taxiway near the rear parking lot with what either one emergency slide deployed or stairs cant really tell. It can be seen on the ILG parking webcam (which seems to be a little iffy today)

According to F9's facebook page it appears it was a inoperable weather radar.



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User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3638 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 28109 times:

Quoting freakyrat (Reply 12):
It was little old Frontier at 98.51%. So it begs the question what were Frontier's yields on the SBN-DEN route? If you take a look their figures this whole year with the exception of Jan, Feb, and April Frontier's loads were stellar in and out of SBN. If Frontier claims that they couldn't be profitable on the route than they were not pricing the route properly.

I wonder what percentage of the plane was connections? Probably a very very large percentage. I think frontier wants flights really for o&d. SBN clearly was super full. I think frontier looses so much on misconnections that is why they are pushing for cities that can support higher numbers of o&d. Eventually I see them maybe all o&d? Truly copy allegiant ULCC?


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Reply 21, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 28054 times:
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Quoting slcdeltarunmd11

"I wonder what percentage of the plane was connections? Probably a very very large percentage. I think frontier wants flights really for o&d. SBN clearly was super full. I think frontier looses so much on misconnections that is why they are pushing for cities that can support higher numbers of o&d. Eventually I see them maybe all o&d? Truly copy allegiant ULCC?"

SBN wanted Frontier in there for better westbound connections than at ORD and they were successful at it. Frontier is not the Frontier that it was and the connections at DEN are not as good as they used to be. Some are tight and others are strung out. If they would ever get back to the way they were there wouldn't be as many misconnections. SBN did not have that many O&D numbers per flight.

It's funny that Allegiant is making an A319 work all O&D from SBN-IWA.


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Reply 22, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 28035 times:

Quoting jerseyguy (Reply 13):
This is similar to the now canceled ILG-IAH flight. The flights were full but they didn't make any money off of it.

Sounds like MSY-TTN. The load factor was 87% year to date through June. Seems like a yield management issue to me.


User currently offlinejerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2088 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 3 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 28014 times:
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I don't think MSY was like that, I couldn't get a seat to MSY under $200 each way before early June. I'm surprised though that they haven't announced it to comeback in time for Mardi Gras on March 4th.


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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3257 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (1 year 3 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 27558 times:

So with TTN closed for two months. Do we know where the airframes which were dedicated to TTN are being utilized?

I'm far from an expert; by my count four or maybe five airframes could be sitting idle. I don't recall of any increased market frequencies that weren't already put in motion. That leaves maintenance and charter work.



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26 jerseyguy : Personally, I would love to see some "spares" around for 2 months but that certainly doesn't go with the whole ULCC model. Also we don't know what hap
27 jerseyguy : Would Frontier ever consider doing a west coast red-eye run at ILG. Places like LAX, SFO, and maybe LAS if us drives Spirit out of PHL?
28 jerseyguy : I could be wrong (I'm not familiar with their pricing out west), but it seems that Frontier is a "Tale of two airlines" In the east they are a ULCC wi
29 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : A true red eye as I know it is a flight operating on a West to East heading which operates after midnight and crosses one or more timezones. With tha
30 Post contains links jerseyguy : Frontier Flight 395 KILG-KDEN Diverts to PHL http://www.delawareonline.com/articl...port-made-emergency-landing-Sunday Acorrding to comments in the ar
31 GentFromAlaska : Because the plane was serviced upon arrival I wonder if anything occurred inbound to ILG. Mechs just don't check engines for no reason. A warning lig
32 sunking737 : Any news/rumors on the sale of Frontier?? Also I don't recall will F9 get any of the CS100/300 that Rejet ordered for them??
33 kingcavalier : Isn't the RJET shareholder meeting tomorrow? I imagine we will hear confirmation on the name of the potential buyer.
34 Frontier14 : Yep, the RJET Board of Directors meeting is tomorrow, 9/17 in New York City.
35 n7371f : Yes and it is expected that the sale to Indigo will be announced.
36 Post contains links jerseyguy : Exclusive negotiations deadline has been extended till September 30th http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/09/1...blic-airways-extends-frontier.html
37 freakyrat : They need to bring back Jeff Potter or someone with his qualities to straighten out all the customer service issues and complaints that F9 is getting
38 n7371f : Not going to happen... But, yes, the complaints are skyrocketing. Some of it is simply due to the change in business philosophy. No matter how much y
39 jerseyguy : For the employees of Frontier, things are very uncertain because they don't know what will happen. If the sale goes thru to Inidigo Partners, what wi
40 freakyrat : I hope it doesn't get like Spirit. Here at DFW the Airport Police have to be called out weekly to handle unruly Spirit passengers because of Spirit's
41 F9animal : Like I have said all along.... Siegel was a huge mistake. He has destroyed any bit of morale left in the customers and employees. Bedford is such a go
42 ouboy79 : So SOP for Austin Powers then. How we got a job after being ran out of US is beyond me. Wolf and Gangwal had more appreciation than Siegel ever did.
43 CarsAir04 : I didn't see it posted yet on here, but looks like Bendo has left for Spirit, per the press release from Spirit Airlines. Here is a portion of it: Ben
44 Post contains images slcdeltarumd11 : I am by no means a fan of Spirit but they have a pretty low median plane age. Spirit has no planes nearly as old as AAs MDs/762s, or Deltas MD-88s. T
45 jerseyguy : All that proves is that people will be tolerate being treated like dog crap in order to save a dollar.
46 freakyrat : I wasn't saying that I don't like Spirit. They are good for what they do but Spirit like Frontier now has contracted gate personnel. They sometimes ju
47 enilria : Wow, lots of stuff going on between Spirit and F9. I have heard that Siegel is very lightly involved in F9 which likely means that this guy was doing
48 PlanesNTrains : Can you quantify what Siegel has personally done at Frontier? I just am not up to speed. Then Frontier should be fine. -Dave
49 n7371f : The situation inside Frontier is getting more intense according to a couple of folks on the flight ops side... Bedford is now basically begging the pi
50 CarsAir04 : having worked at F9, and still really like Frontier, but I never trusted BB. He talks a lot, lots of people like him, but he can make all the promise
51 BostonMike : Along with this, waiting in the wings, is the integration of all of RAH pilots (including Frontier) into one seniority list, regardless of who owns F
52 slcdeltarumd11 : I have flown on spirit many times by necessity and have never seen any worse service than on the legacy airlines. I never felt like i was being treat
53 Jerseyguy : Spirit is constantly being rated poorly in reviews and by Consumer Reports. The seat pitch is ridiculously small, the seats don't recline (not that I
54 Jerseyguy : If a sale doesn't go thru, then what happens, there doesn't appear to be many people beating down the door to buy Frontier.
55 Post contains images point2point : If I were part of the pilots group (of course I'm not) I would give that an answer of absolutely, positively - NO! Indigo can go take its hike here,
56 whereitswarm : Supposedly, Anchorage Capital who was one of the interested parties early on, might still be waiting in the wings. We may find out very soon if Indigo
57 Jerseyguy : Bought a $39 ticket so I could see and take pictures of the renovated TTN terminal. Since I have no intention of actually taking the flight, I was jus
58 GentFromAlaska : Borrowed from the OAG thread F9 DEN-ILG JAN 0.5>0.3 It looks like F9 is reducing some DEN-ILG service in January; although I'm not sure how to tran
59 Jerseyguy : Yep, ILG-DEN goes 2X weekly (MON and FRI) between January 6th and February 10th.
60 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Smater travel.com published some specific issues in plain language (the other plane) flyers may find themselves in from time-to-time which airlines a
61 LAXintl : I found out today, that Frontier is exiting the freight business. Apparently the last day is September 30th, while last day to tender freight for tran
62 GentFromAlaska : I hope they reconsider at least on the seasonal ANC-DEN run. As I recall roughly 67% of ANC revenue is tied directly to freight. The majority on frei
63 jerseyguy : Some info on ILG frequencys based on the new schedule out till June 12th ILG-MCO goes from 2X to 4X for winter till May when it reduces to 3X ILG-TPA
64 WhatUsaid : Again, on the new schedule, DEN-EUG ends in January 'til late April. DEN-FAT goes to 4X in May, adding a Sunday departure.[Edited 2013-10-07 20:41:43]
65 mke717spotter : I guess its time to change the title of these threads to "New New Frontier Part #"...
66 Buddys747 : MDT-DEN returns April 30th 4x weekly. It currently runs until January 4th.
67 rj777 : How about "New Indigo/Frontier Part #"......?
68 GentFromAlaska : Can someone update me on what reservation system F9 uses.
69 CarsAir04 : Sabre
70 sunking737 : Better yet...."Frontier by Indigo" That way no one would be confused by any prior threads.
71 stlgph : Frontier to serve Memphis from Denver. Service returns March 7 with services sunday, tuesday, thursday, friday. Also, as posted in other threads, Fron
72 Post contains images sdoyon : How fast do you think we'll see WN add this? They extend their schedule on Monday...
73 stlgph : Be interesting to see if that happens, yes. These are all great 'market testing' routes, too for Frontier.
74 GentFromAlaska : F9 coexist with WN in BNA which is a WN focus city. IAt last check F9 flies DEN-BNA-DEN twice daily and adds extra capacity across the summer in a th
75 Post contains images Jerseyguy : Perhaps this has been discussed, but is F9 testing out a fuel surcharge. Are fuel surcharges not taxable and therefore helps them keep the fare down
76 GentFromAlaska : The problem with fuel charges is once their initiated and or charged they never seem to go away. The tax levy cited above is 35% of the fare. Ouch...
77 Jerseyguy : It only shows up on some of the fares usually the higher ones, I think the fare in this case would always be $97.49 and the surcharge breakdown is for
78 Frontier14 : Noticed on another thread that one of Indigo's similar investments (Wizz Air) has moved to add A321s to their fleet plans. Since Spirit (Indigo' forme
79 Post contains links and images point2point : I think that F9 is looking anywhere for compatible to their fleet A-birds that it can get for the right price...... Any $$$$ that F9 can get their ha
80 Post contains images whereitswarm : Ipads are now approved for cockpit use, and Comply365 is our app for company manuals. Each pilot has to log 20 legs with both ipads and paper charts,
81 GentFromAlaska : Ther hernia makers. Are those odds betable?
82 whereitswarm : It's a sure thing, Gent.
83 Post contains links Jerseyguy : Here's an article on the new electronic flight bag program for those who might be intererested http://www.avionics-intelligence.com...2013/10/frontier
84 RyanairGuru : I can't speak for F9 (or indeed any US carrier specifically) but the biggest advantage for many other airlines around the world in using "fuel surcha
85 GentFromAlaska : On https://www.facebook.com/flyfrontier F9 is asking their fan following where a next trip might take them. If I were to read between the lines I coul
86 Post contains links mariner : For old time's sake - again - N221FR is slightly delayed but is on its way. It is coming from Philippine Airlines and was spotted last week at Woensdr
87 smoot4208 : Looks like per the latest OAG change DEN-MBJ now ends on 4/27. It was previously scheduled every Sunday through the end of their current schedule (6/1
88 Post contains links and images point2point : This is a puzzle. Per the BI report, http://www.brookings.edu/research/interactives/aviation there are a total of 55 pax daily (at least in 2011) to/
89 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Smartertravel.com (usually a peoples choice) picks the top ten destinations for quintessential weekend getaways. http://www.smartertravel.com/photo-g.
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92 Jerseyguy : It was MCO, more of a Virginia to Disneyworld rather than a weekend trip to see the leaves.
93 Frontier14 : I think SHD - MCO was a hopeful try for F9. However, their efforts in Virginia did not work out positively. I doubt we will see any resurection of th
94 Jerseyguy : I know officially the free tv perk for Summit and Ascent members has been dropped but the cards until recently have worked in the TVs. Has this been a
95 GentFromAlaska : I seem to recall it was SHD-MCO True but Denver and Jersey didn't make the list I posted. It's amazing how many people read these travel recommendati
96 Post contains images point2point : Okay...... here's some h'orderves for thought....... NK obviously is doing very well for itself, and if it's model can be emulated successfully, who's
97 Frontier14 : This scenario may have some merit in the future. As you have mentioned with Indigo "potentially" soon owning 100% of F9 and a minority interest in Y4
98 Post contains links Jerseyguy : Guess they are really cutting costs. October 1st they stopped issuing tickets at the ticket counter http://www.flyfrontier.com/optional-service-fees (
99 Post contains links enilria : Y4 had their IPO. Based upon past experience, Indigo will now sell if they haven't already. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...ange-in-mexican-ai
100 petteri : I'm sure the ticket counter agents are happy about this one. I wonder how many people try and pay in cash at the airport for F9? Not much a choice fo
101 CarsAir04 : Anyone been hearing anything with the dealings with Indigo and FAPA Invest? I haven't seen any articles lately. Saw a post on a pilot forum that sorta
102 Post contains links Jerseyguy : Women who couldn't fit her carry-on in the overhead of an A319 caused a scene and was booted from the flight. Threw the phone of a filming passenger a
103 Post contains links Jerseyguy : Well ULCC movement continues, effective January 6, 2014. select seating will no longer automatically get priority boarding in zone 2. I don't know how
104 Jerseyguy : It just came to me they will announce a priority boarding fee starting 1/6/14.
105 Post contains links Jerseyguy : One Minute Late to Check-In, Frontier Airlines Passenger Kept Off Flight http://blogs.houstonpress.com/hairba...frontier_airlines_cant-be-late.php I w
106 bjorn14 : Does F9 still have the 3-tiered pricing structure?
107 Jerseyguy : Technically it's a 4 fare structure but yeah. Basic (3rd party only) Economy (cheapest non 3rd party) Classic Classic Plus (refundable)
108 Post contains links LAXintl : Indigo says they still continue to work to satisfy conditions in order to close the F9 acquisition. Status so far; o Tentative agreement with FAPA o C
109 Post contains images point2point : FAPA - basically good news AFA - probably will happen, seems like a resolution is wanted Barclaycard - will probably keep the extension once the abov
110 AirFRNT : First of all, please note that the negotiated agreement is not with FAPA, but FAPAInvest. Mad props to FAPA and Republic Airway's lawyers - they manag
111 Jerseyguy : Can anyone tell me why I was unable to choose a open select seat for Free for my parents upon check-in? Was it because it was an award ticket? I asked
112 Jerseyguy : A lot of changes to fees have been slipped in unnoticed * No free second bag on Classic plus tickets (effective March 24, 2013) * No more discount on
113 bjorn14 : Has F9 totally dropped COS?
114 enilria : Has the court challenge of that been settled already?
115 Jerseyguy : Sorry COS is OUT
116 AirFRNT : Nope, but it will basically be rendered moot by this transaction.
117 enilria : Why? Isn't IBT the valid union? How can FAPA have any standing at all?
118 AirFRNT : If you notice, the original press-release said nothing about FAPA. FAPAInvest on the other hand... that it had something to say about.
119 Post contains links CarsAir04 : looks like it was extended just a couple more days: http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_24...c-extends-time-close-frontier-sale
120 Frontier14 : There is an interesting article in today's online edition of The Cranky Flier about F9. Frontier 14
121 GentFromAlaska : It appears G4 has jumped on the BTV-Orlando route which was discussed here and was a wishlist for a few of us.
122 GentFromAlaska : From the Facebook page it looks like new service from ILG (Wilimington-New Castle, DE) to Atlanta and ILG-DTW effective April 2014
123 bjorn14 : Wow! Taking a shot at DL
124 THEFLLFLYER : Had the MCO focus city lived up to the hype I could have definitely seen this route added....but things in Orlando did not exactly pan out. Now F9 is
125 Post contains images point2point : The average number BTV-DEN for the last four quarters total O&D pax is 73. Wouldn't be too bad for a seasonal, sub-daily market. If F9 wants some
126 Pointer : Well Ladies and Gents, it looks like we have a deal! Mariner please PM me. Indigo Partners Says its Pending Acquisition of Frontier Airlines will Move
127 bjorn14 : Surprises me a bit that there is no BUF-DEN service as I would have thought WN or UA would be all over it.
128 n7371f : Continental ran it twice daily way back when their was the hub at Stapleton. Added it right around the time of the Frontier asset acquisition in late
129 rj777 : I wonder what sort of a deal they gave BarclayCard? Not that it matters as I just dumped my WN card for a DL card.
130 stlgph : More service from Trenton From their facebook page: "The good news just keeps coming! Today we are announcing three more new routes! You can now fly T
131 GentFromAlaska : Whew hew! or Whoo hoo They do listen to their customer base. Nashville is nice that time of year.[Edited 2013-11-07 09:39:26]
132 Frontier14 : Any indication of the frequency schedule(s)? Frontier 14
133 stlgph : Cleveland: sunday, thursday Indianapolis: sunday, tuesday, thursday Nashville: monday, wednesday, friday
134 GentFromAlaska : I just looked at the TTN-BNA flight. Its 3 x weekly Monday-Wednesday-Friday. Now if we can get F9 to extend their schedule past June 11 to capture al
135 enilria : FAPAInvest is an LLC not a union. Don't understand their standing in anything. That's not flame-bait, I simply don't understand why you would negotia
136 THEFLLFLYER : This is pretty much served via PHF which is ~1 hour away from RIC.
137 AirFRNT : Disclaimer - IANAL, and I haven't talked to any lawyers on this. I do have some experience with Bankruptcy courts. FAPAInvest is not a union, and is
138 mcg : I think when the pilots gave concessions to RAH the equity in F9 the pilots received in exchange was placed in FAPAinvest. FAPAinvests members are the
139 Post contains images point2point : That's just it. Who knows what the future brings, to any given extent? However, history is pretty fixed and definite, and when F9 (whoever has owned
140 Pointer : Yes, FAPAInvest was created before the IBT took over. No leg to stand on for the IBT to claim any of the proceeds.[Edited 2013-11-07 22:23:25][Edited
141 BostonMike : "No leg to stand on" is the subject of an ongoing lawsuit, yet to be adjudicated. However, going forward from the time " the IBT took over", the Inte
142 AirFRNT : No, it was made before the IBT transition occurred. I'm told that part of the reason there is zero stake in Frontier by RAH is explicitly to make sur
143 enilria : Ahh...I understand. That's a remarkable invention. Isn't the issue still that an agreement was negotiated in bad faith on the eve before IBT took ove
144 AirFRNT : IBT wasn't a party to the vote. The question of if it's in good faith or bad faith is up to the members of FAPAInvest and Indigo. Given that it did e
145 Post contains links mariner : The agreement between RAH and FAPAInvest has nothing to do with work rules nor any industrial matters, they are not mentioned. It is a purely commerc
146 enilria : I don't disagree with FAPA's reasons, but am I correct that whether you can negotiate a contract after a decertification vote has yet to be decided b
147 Frontier14 : Although it does seem contradictory in some respects, I think you may have a point in your comment. In glancing at the BTS fares between MKE - PHL, t
148 mariner : I can't think why that would happen, it has nothing to do with the IBT - or any union. FAPA itself is not mentioned in the agreement only "those peop
149 BostonMike : I'm sorry if I was not clear. I was referring to future contract negotiations. Most of this is an exercise in forum speculation, although Mariner doe
150 TVNWZ : RAH , through Frontier, is on the hook literally for a whole concourse worth of gates. Concourse E has most of the gates in a trade with Delta. But,
151 Post contains images mariner : What happens in the future is beyond my ken, but since Republic is no longer the owner of Frontier, I can't see how any of the NMB rulings in relatio
152 enilria : My opinion is more based upon the names being floated to run F9 post-acquisition. Siegel will be gone in 6 months or probably much less.
153 Post contains images point2point : Hmmm..... a couple of things, the first being DOT numbers don't link Richmond into the Norfolk/Newport News area, where ORF and PHF are considered on
154 Post contains links Flytravel : F9 though is making that association: http://www.flyfrontier.com/plan-book/routes-schedules/route-map Richmond, VA (RIC) Newport News/Williamsburg, VA
155 AirFRNT : Sure, that's why such a thing as effective dates exist in the first place. Unions are even nastier to each other then they are to corporations. The I
156 Frontier14 : There was a F9 article in the 11.9.13 Motley Fool that states their aircraft daily utilization is around eleven hours per day. The article goes on to
157 Jerseyguy : Or early morning flying, Wednesdays flight to Nashville leaves at 600am.
158 sdoyon : Sorry if this has already been covered (I can't seem to find a straight answer though), but what is the status of DCA-MCI/MSN/OMA? According to the Fr
159 enilria : It was discussed on the quarterly call. I believe, much like many fleet decisions in the past by BB, it is in limbo. I think his comment was somethin
160 rj777 : So will the Indigo Frontier fleet essentially be all-Airbus?
161 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : I was looking at the top five ranked housing markets in the U.S. http://www.bankrate.com/finance/real...tate/home-values-best-markets.aspx as determin
162 FRNT787 : Perhaps he's waiting to negotiate the termination with the new owners. Just a thought. It would seem rash to carry out a plan without the ducks in a
163 rj777 : I wonder if Indigo taking over will help F9 at MKE at all?
164 SANFan : Unless things have changed lately, we have to keep in mind that SMF is an expensive airport for the airlines to serve. F9, heading forward into the r
165 Jerseyguy : With AA giving 2 gates up at DAL under the settlement of the merger lawsuit, would F9 consider moving its Dallas ops to Love when the Wright Amendment
166 whatusaid : SMF? Doubt it. SMF has one very expensive expansion that doesn't contribute to the low cost model. WN is so dominate at SMF, what's the point? SCK ha
167 Frontier14 : Okay guys and gals, given the success with TTN (and hopefully ILG) it is time to continue the speculation of where the next focus cities might appear
168 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : For those who may not receive F9 emails they are currently offering a $25 rebate for domestic ticket purchases made with a MasterCard. Restrictions ap
169 Frontier14 : As previously mentioned, F9 will be adding another A320 next month. Chirping here in Denver indicates it should be ready for service on or about Decem
170 n7371f : Yep. Down in Goodyear undergoing indoctrination. Ex-Philippine bird.
171 Frontier14 : Heard by the grapevine (dickie birds as Mariner calls them) that 927FR was damaged (fuselage) at IAH over the weekend. Plane is to be taken to GYR for
172 freakyrat : Flip needs a repair job.
173 GentFromAlaska : For those who may not receive F9 day-to-day emails or monitor the FB page; F9 is offering a 15% cyber Monday discount to what I understood to be any c
174 GentFromAlaska : With DL announcing seasonal SEA-FAI service is their any need for F9 to shore up DEN-FAI to daily in lieu of their currently less than daily schedule?
175 n7371f : Absolutely zero relationship.
176 smoot4208 : I posted this in the TTN thread but I guess it actually belongs here.
177 GentFromAlaska : I disagree on a couple of fronts. One has to understand FAI and what it brings to the table. If my embarkation or debarkation is on the west coast; S
178 Post contains links whereitswarm : The deal is done. Finally. Now on to Frontier Airlines 3.0. Good luck to us all. http://www.denverpost.com/business/c...ale-frontier-airlines-is-final
179 Post contains images point2point : Well, since F9 is already marketing RIC (if one wants to see it that way) then F9 probably already has some legs grounded there, and maybe actually l
180 jerseyguy : Yes, good luck to all Frontier employees. Here's to hoping for a smooth transition to ULCC. Don't mess with the seat pitch and keep the fares low and
181 Post contains images mariner : Yes, indeed. A couple of interesting tid-bits. Siegel has resigned, not from Frontier, but as a Director of Republic Holdings. It's curious because T
182 Post contains images point2point : Okay...... this somehow has to be good news, yes? And hopefully, per the article, Indigo may have some places to go for savings...... and not start w
183 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : I was tossing around some airport ideas last evening and HGR (Hagerstown, MD) http://skyvector.com/airport/HGR/Hag...nal-Richard-A-Henson-Field-Airpor
184 Frontier14 : The IP route/revenue people I bet have several like HGR-MDW on their radar screen. This may be a possibility. How close is HGR to SHD? As we already
185 enilria : I hear a new CEO with LCC experience will take the reins around April. Siegel will either stay till then or there will be an interim.
186 mariner : Siegel has done the job he was put in there to do - make the airline attractive to a buyer. What happens now is beyond my ken. I have heard nothing o
187 GentFromAlaska : Two or so years ago one of the senior leadership team at F9 left for Wizz Air in Europe. Because Mr. Franke has ownership interest in Wizz Air I wond
188 GentFromAlaska : SHD was too rural with nearby Charlottesville in range. In the catchment area I am thinking about which incorporates Hagerstown, Maryland brings 269K
189 jerseyguy : If the fares are right, you have some of the Harrisburg Metro Area. Downtown Harrisburg to HGR is only 1:05. Also Sun Air is under an EAS contract to
190 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Indeed it is. I flew in and out of MDT several years ago. MDT-ORD-SEA-JNU. It was my first exposure to contracted airline customer service agents at
191 jerseyguy : With WN dropping EYW, anything F9 can do with it, I know the runway is short meaning nonstops are limited, so perhaps not.
192 GentFromAlaska : A year or so ago. I remember EYM being mentioned from MKE. I think EYW would be the ideal destination as a one stop to CUN or CZM from somewhere in t
193 jerseyguy : Actually, I believe its the EYW runway that is the problem, the one and only runway is 4,801ft in length. At 1156 miles from TTN-EYW, I don't think T
194 Post contains links and images GentFromAlaska : For those who may have missed the show Sunday night. Juneau was featured in the last hour and this seasons final leg of Amazing Race which has teams r
195 smoot4208 : It's worth a shot IMO, there isn't any competition besides AS/SEA. I have to assume the operational constraints of the JNU airport have played a part
196 GentFromAlaska : I can't help but think of Mr. Franke comments about small under served markets. At least I think he said that.
197 Frontier14 : Several of you have made reference to the need for F9 increasing their advertising in focus city areas. Much to my surprise and happiness we are seein
198 freakyrat : Maybe perhaps a return to DEN-SBN service in the spring. Actually after all the hoopla died down of them pulling out of the market it turns out that F
199 smoot4208 : The yields were most likely garbage. That is a horrible average fare too. People have tried to indicate to you that the route failed (even with full
200 freakyrat : smoot what I do agree with you on is that the fare from SBN-DEN was probably to low even Michael Boyd said that. For example I paid 180.00 each way fr
201 Post contains links mariner : Since no one else has picked up on this, I will - the summer booking extension is out. In it we are getting the first glimmerings of the Indigo Effect
202 uncgso : I see DEN-GSO returns after a small hiatus from Jan 3-Apr 27 ... also looks like we pick up a frequency (will be 3X/week) Would like to see MCO retur
203 Post contains images point2point : Is there a link to these new red-eyes? And with these red-eyes, yes, it certainly helps aircraft utilization..... but red-eyes are normally very inex
204 Post contains images mariner : In the booking engine, on the website. They're there there for me - I found summer red-eyes for ATL, LGA, MCO and TPA. It's there for me. I checked i
205 jeepyjeep : DEN-MDT goes to 5x/week starting on June 16, 2014! That's a nice surprise!
206 Frontier14 : This is indeed good news. I think with the adds we are seeing where F9 is having some success. It is also interesting to note in the schedule extensi
207 Post contains images point2point : Okay.... thank you..... and I only looked up GTF, and for me, it didn't go past 6/12, but as I looked up info for July '12, I found these........ F9
208 mariner : To my knowledge, Frontier itself has only ever had three slot pairs but they did use a fourth slot pair (from Midwest perhaps?) one season - with pre
209 Post contains images point2point : These MCI/MSN/OMA-DCA slots are separate from the 42 or so that AA/US had to vacate I would believe, yes? And if so..... since they are Republic slot
210 Post contains links mariner : Yes. The slots came to Republic when they acquired Midwest. However, they are restricted slots that cannot be sold or transferred, so the DOT took th
211 Buddys747 : It also changes from a RON in MDT to a mid-day turn from DEN. They were working it in with the MCO flight on the days they both ran, with the RON air
212 jeepyjeep : Although this probably won't happen because of ILG being (relatively) close, I'd love to see another F9 route out of MDT. I'm originally from PA and
213 GentFromAlaska : Welcome to A.net
214 FATFlyer : Another frequency increase next summer is FAT-DEN. It will be 4X per week after May 4. The route originally started at 3X although the frequency the n
215 GentFromAlaska : According to the F9 Facebook page the Summer schedule update through August 10, 2014 is on the street.
216 Joeljack : Looking at June: OMA-DCA cut and more importantly, OMA-DEN down to only 2x daily! Both of them are morning departures too! 6am and 1150am, nothing in
217 GentFromAlaska : As Mariner states below the DCA-OMA slot(s) are owned by Republic. With the sale to Indigo the RJET/F9 for lack of a better term are divorces. I am u
218 Post contains images mariner : A few thoughts on the schedule extension before I go back to TTN Watching - LOL. When Indigo purchased Frontier several people said that DEN would be
219 freakyrat : Love it that the Frog is back.
220 n7371f : DEN-GEG goes double daily which is a no-brainer in the summer. It was laughable Schurz could only run 1x last summer; left a lot of spill.
221 Frontier14 : As Mariner has said, my dickie birds are hinting at a couple more aircraft in the system before June 1st. This will allow F9 to either add some new d
222 uncgso : any hints at all about some beefed up GSO service? I think GSO could be a hidden jewel if exploited correctly (along with MDT, OMA, PHF) ... GSO has n
223 GentFromAlaska : I'm not sure GSO wants to be exploited. There are several other words I might use.
224 uncgso : true that lol ... of course no one wants to be 'exploited' ... maybe 'utilized' would have been a better word ... but probably just my opinion, but I
225 Buddys747 : FL did fly MDT-FLL seasonaly until the "merger" lol, two seasons. I think it could do well and compete with WN at BWI. Theres a lot of spill from her
226 AirFRNT : This does not surprise me at all. It's a fan of the capacity socialists that Denver has "unfair" amounts of service, and is thus unsustainable. In re
227 Joeljack : Yeah...100% agree. The OMA-DEN evening flights on Sundays, Thursday's and Friday's have always been the most expensive flight times on this segment a
228 Post contains images mariner : TTN is, for my money, one of the most interesting things happening in civil aviation. Within the space of not much more than a year, Frontier has tur
229 GentFromAlaska : Miracles happen in pairs I suppose. From my vantage point DL announcement to restart SEA-Juneau (JNU) service after a sixteen year hiatus runs a clos
230 Jerseyguy : I was there on Sunday the day after the ice storm and it was getting crowded due to the delays, people were waiting up in the observation area, They
231 Frontier14 : Gent I believe that we will see some adjustments across the schedule once the bulk of winter has passed in the lower 48. With WN dropping their BKG r
232 Post contains images point2point : Glory Hallelujah for for that, eh? It seems that F9 has always been DEN (and this is going back to the days of Stapleton) and for the most part, DEN
233 Post contains links mariner : Who is "removing the focus" from DEN? Neither TTN or ILG are any threat to DEN. Before the sale finalised, Daniel Shurz said - at TTN: http://www.nj.
234 GentFromAlaska : Funny you mention that. I read something recently which mentioned the separation between # 2 WN and # 3 F9 at DEN is tiny; something like two or thre
235 Post contains images point2point : Going forward, I couldn't say who would remove the focus from DEN. But in the past, Republic did it with YX/MKE, and don't know exactly the other who
236 Frontier14 : The dickie birds have been chirping this afternoon. Looks like F9 will be hiring for two additional pilot classes beginning this month (12 to a class)
237 Jerseyguy : Wow, 24 more pilots. I suspect we will be pretty busy in this thread after the new year.
238 Pointer : The number of new hires has risen from 108 to now 150ish. In the January class there will be 20 new hires. F9 can now have bigger classes because the
239 GentFromAlaska : I think your going to see DEN diluted some. Across the last six or so months I've seen quite a bit of DEN capacity being discounted on the WN DING ap
240 mariner : Sorry, I don't understand your point - I thought I'd addressed this earlier: To only remember Frontier's past in terms of the focus city falls is onl
241 Jerseyguy : Does Frontier have an obsolete or difficult reservation system (internally) to use? I went to change my award reservation (actually I've done it twice
242 GentFromAlaska : I may be over thinking this but Mr. Franke spent quite a few years in PHX. In my mind you almost have to think it would be smaller to medium sized ci
243 airlinewatcher1 : According to WN's list of top ten airports, DEN is #4, slightly ahead of ATL and PHX with 170 daily departures. And let's not overlook the five-gate e
244 Post contains images point2point : Okay.... I don't know how to explain (without a long-winding trail of words that I haven't even thought of yet), but I do think that we're in a lot o
245 GentFromAlaska : From my vantage point DING has little if anything to do with route planing as in new market consideration. It is simply a means to sell discounted ex
246 jerseyguy : Has anyone heard if Inidgo will be investing in the Frontier website or at the very least the call center? The website is buggy and the waits for the
247 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : I was looking at the F9 jobs board three or so weeks ago before the Indigo sale closed. I saw one reservation agent position being advertised for the
248 crj900lr : There is always room to expand but you also have to look at the facilities. ILG is not very big and the scheduling would have to work spacing wise so
249 GentFromAlaska : This was on the F9 careers page "Frontier Airlines is actively recruiting Flight Attendants for Denver (DEN) and Chicago (MDW/ORD) crew bases." Perha
250 mariner : In both cases. TTN terminal has already been remodelled once and they are looking for ways to find more space - or put what space there is to better
251 Pointer : Maybe for now, but MDW/ORD base most likely will close by Spring/Summer.
252 Frontier14 : Frontier recently held a succesful FA job fare in Orlando too..............perhaps a FA base to be set up there??? Frontier 14
253 GentFromAlaska : Courtesy Enirila OAG thread. Here is some of the WN downsizing I thought might happen at DEN I mentioned a couple of weeks ago. My personal take on th
254 jerseyguy : F9 doesn't do DEN-PHL, only DEN-ILG
255 Buddys747 : I've said for years if F9 flew DEN to cities like MDT, ABE , CAK, ETC. they could catch the WN bleed to the bigger cities close by. I realize CAK now
256 GentFromAlaska : I thought the only PHL flight was an Apple fight to Punta Cana in the Caribbean. This was on the 12/27/13 OAG thread *F9 DEN-PHL JUL 1.0>0 thus I
257 Frontier14 : I would say that F9s restructuring efforts over the past eighteen months or so support your premise. Now with Indigo at the helm we can be assured of
258 Post contains links iowaman : Another thread filled up. This one will be archived. Here is part 44: New Frontier Part 44 (by iowaman Dec 23 2013 in Civil Aviation)
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