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787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20  
User currently offlinejetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2807 posts, RR: 4
Posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 53138 times:
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Hi All,

The previous thread became long so Part 20 is being created. Part 19 can be found here 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 19 (by iowaman Aug 23 2013 in Civil Aviation)

Regards,
Pat


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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5591 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 53057 times:

Quoting 7673mech:
I asked about the 4-4 at the end of the year and it was explained to me that the three -9's went exclusively down the surge line - so there would be less airplanes for PAE to deliver until early next year. Obviously this would be supplemented by planes from the EMC and possibly Charleston will actually delivery some.

So the 4s would be exclusive of EMC aircraft as well as Charleston aircraft. Well... right now, from the EMC, we have two CZ birds that should be flying anytime (LN43 and LN36), and one JAL bird (LN20) that is also about ready. After that, guess who... Air India! LN32 is ready, LN30 is just about ready, and LN28, LN26, and LN25 will be the next three birds ready after that. So it's probably out of Boeing's control how many EMC birds will actually be delivered this year.

[Edited 2013-09-07 12:14:05]

User currently onlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2729 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 52987 times:

As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. For more specific information on the aircraft in production, I recommend going to http://nyc787.blogspot.com/

DELIVERED TO DATE: 84 Aircraft to 14 Airlines

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO SEPTEMBER
NH-22; JL-11; AI-8; QR-8; UA–7; ET-5; LO-5; BY-4; LA-3; BA-2; CZ-3; DY-2; HU-2; AM-1

SEPTEMBER DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 114 – G-ZBJC - 9/3/2013 - BA #3

AIRCRAFT THAT HAVE COMPLETED MAJOR ASSEMBLY & CHANGE INCORPORATION*
L/N 91 - VT-ANO – 9/xx/2013 - AI #9
L/N 109 - A7-BCF – 9/xx/2013 - QR #9
L/N 113 - CC-BBD - 9/xx/2013 - LA #5
L/N 100 - B-2736 – 9/xx/2013 – CZ #4
L/N 85 - B–2730 - 9/xx/2013 - HU #3
L/N 104 - B-2737 – x/xx/2013 – CZ #5
L/N 81 - B-2723 – x/xx/2013 - HU #4
L/N 43 - B-2727 – x/xx/2013 - CZ #6
L/N 107 - JA821A - 9/xx/2013 - NH #23 Awaiting first flight
L/N 118 - CC-BBE - 9/xx/2013 - LA #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 121 – G-ZBJD – 9/xx/2013 - BA #4 Awaiting first flight
L/N 122 – N964AM - 9/xx/2013 - AM #2 (ILFC) Awaiting first flight
L/N 123 – VH-VKA – 9/xx/2013 – JQ #1 Awaiting first flight
L/N 127 – N965AM - 9/xx/2013 - AM #3 (ILFC) Awaiting first flight
L/N 124 - N27908 - 9/xx/2013 - UA #8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 128 – V8-DLA - x/xx/2013 – BI #1 Awaiting first flight
L/N 125 – JA833J - 9/xx/2013 - JL #12 Awaiting first flight
L/N 130 – V8-DLB - x/xx/2013 – BI #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 32 - VT-ANG – x/xx/2013 - AI #10 Awaiting first flight
L/N 30 - VT-ANE – x/xx/2013 - AI #11 Awaiting first flight
L/N 36 - B-2726 – x/xx/2013 – CZ #7 Awaiting first flight
L/N 79 - B-27?? – x/xx/2014 - HU #5 Awaiting first flight (Storage)
L/N 119 - B-2738 – x/xx/2014 – CZ #8 Awaiting first flight

*Not including the delivered aircraft and test aircraft (ZA001-006 & ZB001)


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12074 posts, RR: 34
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 52840 times:

The tail fin of Norwegian EI-LNB (LN112) has been painted at Dublin Airport.


EI-LNB Boeing 787-8Q8 Norwegian Long Haul by elevationair ✈, on Flickr

The man on the fin is Thor Heyerdahl, here's a close-up:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/38016434@N05/9626431056/

LN112 was delivered without any paint art on the tail fin.


Norwegian EI-LNB Boeing 787 by moonm, on Flickr



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User currently offline7673mech From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 732 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 52187 times:
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Quoting seabosdca (Reply 1):
So the 4s would be exclusive of EMC aircraft

That's not what I said.
They won't be exclusive - 4 a month + EMC + CHS (if anything is ready).


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3449 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 51888 times:

Quoting 7673mech (Reply 4):

I think you might have misinterpreted what he said.

After looking I can see why Novemeber and December might be low. There really aren't that many that will be done at that point. 2-3 for Charleston or EMC per month would be a great rate.

tortugamon


User currently offlineAM777LR From Mexico, joined Sep 2013, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 51535 times:

Quoting Tradewinds (Thread starter):

Noticed it as I drove by KOA today. I couldn't get close enough to catch the reg # but it was the Boeing white body/blue tail with "787" on it. Parked way down at the end of airport with all the private jets. Just curious if anyone knew what it was doing there. (Did a search of the forum but came up with nothing.)

This is in another forum, seen here: Boeing 787 In KOA? (by Tradewinds Sep 7 2013 in Civil Aviation) and I was wondering if anybody saw this plane leave BFI or arrive in KOA. Could Boeing be doing more testing on the 788? Or rather the engines? Just thought I'd ask.

EDIT: Already answered in this thread: Boeing 787 In KOA? (by Tradewinds Sep 7 2013 in Civil Aviation)

[Edited 2013-09-08 00:32:04]

User currently offlinevirginblue4 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2008, 912 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 51029 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 3):

Any reason why it wasn't painted before delivery?



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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2473 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days ago) and read 50234 times:

Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 7):
Any reason why it wasn't painted before delivery?

Im not sure if its actually painted on, it might just be a decal.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12074 posts, RR: 34
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 49904 times:

Paint or decal, I believe virginblue4's question is why EI-LNB received the art in Dublin while EI-LNA received it before delivery in Everett. I don't know.


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12074 posts, RR: 34
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 49515 times:

ANA JA821A scheduled for a B1 flight today.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...4/history/20130908/1600Z/KPAE/KMWH



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5790 posts, RR: 47
Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 48315 times:

ZA243 (LN 91, VT-ANO) is at the Charleston Delivery Center. It looks like this one may deliver tomorrow. I hope.


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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 47947 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 8):
Quoting virginblue4 (Reply 7):
Any reason why it wasn't painted before delivery?

Im not sure if its actually painted on, it might just be a decal.

Paint or decal, putting it on the vertical stab and rudder after production requires a rebalance...it seems it would be better to do this at the factory, as the rudder only needs to be balanced once  



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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3621 posts, RR: 27
Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 47369 times:
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Quoting KELPkid (Reply 12):
Paint or decal, putting it on the vertical stab and rudder after production requires a rebalance...it seems it would be better to do this at the factory, as the rudder only needs to be balanced once

if an equal sized decal is placed on each side, there is no need.. do the faces on both sides face forward? if so no difference.. if one faces aft, possibly a difference.


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 47098 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 13):
if an equal sized decal is placed on each side, there is no need.. do the faces on both sides face forward? if so no difference.. if one faces aft, possibly a difference.

The rudder is perhaps the most sensitive control surface as far as balancing goes. The rule of thumb is that anything that changes the weight of a control surface (paint included) requires a mechanic to rebalance the affected surface. This is why vertical stabs and rudders are often seen painted before anything else is on new production aircraft.



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5790 posts, RR: 47
Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 47031 times:

ZA540 on tap for a B-1 today:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE540



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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3621 posts, RR: 27
Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 46620 times:
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Quoting KELPkid (Reply 14):
The rudder is perhaps the most sensitive control surface as far as balancing goes.

Not as sensitive as urban myth says..


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 46613 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 16):
Not as sensitive as urban myth says..

So what, you're like a WWII fighter pilot and affix a wad of chewing gum to the rudder before a flight as a good luck charm? 



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User currently offlineWarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 594 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 46415 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 15):
ZA540 on tap for a B-1 today:

Looks like the B-1 was not to be.



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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5591 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 46323 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 11):
ZA243 (LN 91, VT-ANO) is at the Charleston Delivery Center

So no delivery today... I hope this one doesn't turn into another VT-ANN.


User currently offlineCX747 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4454 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 46306 times:

Any idea on when BA will receive its 4th 787? I'm scheduled to fly on their newest fleet and wonder what registration will carry me on my journey.


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12074 posts, RR: 34
Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 45911 times:

Air India LN28 (VT-ANC) was moved from the paint hangar to the EMC tonight. Change incorporation should almost be finished.

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/377307516448681984

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTx3L9_CIAAtUTE.jpg:large



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12074 posts, RR: 34
Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 45815 times:

ZB002 is in paint and was moved to the 40-26 building.

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/377295100591607809

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BTxr5RYCEAAHzZj.jpg:large



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5790 posts, RR: 47
Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 45122 times:

ZA385 on a customer flight I believe:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE385



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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1630 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 44879 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 23):
ZA385 on a customer flight I believe:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE385


Must have cancelled for today -- only shows the flight on the 7th (which was discussed in the previous thread).


25 Post contains links KarelXWB : Our beloved ArkeFly will get three 787s, first delivery in May 2014. http://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nl-NL...Dreamliners_is_genoeg_voor_ArkeFly
26 DeltaB717 : I think in the previous thread it was suggested the JQ #1 might have its first flight on 10 September... is there any firm word on whether that's the
27 KarelXWB : It hasn't flown yet. It's a bit quiet in Everett.
28 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Meanwhile Hainan Airlines LN131 emerged from the final assembly line. DSC_9691 by moonm, on Flickr DSC_9564 by moonm, on Flickr[Edited 2013-09-11 01:4
29 Post contains links tortugamon : Does this picture look like the 4 787-8s? I thought there was at least one 787-9 on each FAL at this point. http://paineairport.com/kpae6677.htm tortu
30 KarelXWB : Yes, but that picture dates from September 9 while ZB002 was moved to the 40-26 building on September 10 (after the roll out of HU LN131).[Edited 2013
31 tortugamon : Oh great. At least this one has engines. Something tells me it will be a couple months before we see this one make any serious moves. You must be rig
32 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Oddly enough, the rudder is not fully painted like the previous HU birds. Here's LN79 for example: ZA432 / LN79 for Hainan Airlines Boeing 787 by moo
33 Post contains links KarelXWB : Alright, an update on the EMC, based on nyc777's table. Inside > Transaero Airlines LN11: Bay D > Japan Airlines LN20: Bay C (repainted in the
34 Post contains images frigatebird : Quicker than I thought, it feels they only just took over some of Thomsonfly's 763s... Good news though, I might even consider flying with Arkefly no
35 Post contains links frigatebird : Trent-1000 package C engines for the 787-9 now certified by EASA: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...roves-trent-1000-for-787-9-390415/ Hopefully,
36 KarelXWB : One would think the FAA would certify them first.
37 Post contains links KarelXWB : Next try: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...5/history/20130911/1230Z/KCHS/KCHS
38 Post contains links KarelXWB : ZA385 is in the air. ZA539 (LAN) is also scheduled for a test flight: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...9/history/20130911/1315Z/KCHS/KMYR
39 7BOEING7 : And back on the ground--that didn't last long.
40 WarpSpeed : Weird profile; especially altitude. Pressurization problem?
41 kanban : I think this proves or at least points to the 787 rudder balance issues are not as complex as previous models and the painting of just the buried sur
42 NYC777 : It was supposed to be an hour flight.
43 WarpSpeed : Still a weird profile with a lot of flight time at or below 10,000 feet.
44 Post contains images 7BOEING7 : Might have just popped up to FL400 to check something from the previous flight and back down again but pressurization issues are a possibility. We'll
45 WarpSpeed : Allthings787 has it listed as "Ready For Delivery" with 5 test flights, but I believe that includes two ferry flights to/from FTW for paint. Maybe to
46 7BOEING7 : We'll know in the next couple of days. My money says it's still got a flight (or two ) to go.
47 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : Looks like BAB ZA540 (118) is giving it another try at a B-1 this afternoon: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE540 And ANA ZA114 (107) is filed fo
48 Post contains links hkcanadaexpat : What do we make of this flight that happened yesterday? http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE543 Is it a typo in the flight number (ie should have be
49 Post contains links and images clickhappy : It was G-ZBJD: http://www.flickr.com/photos/royalscottking/9726789521/ Here are: JA821J: http://www.flickr.com/photos/royalscottking/9726768161/ and C
50 KarelXWB : The second one is JA821A instead of JA821J; A = ANA, J = JAL.
51 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : ZB002 was moved to the surge line again for test equipment installation. http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/378028100648308736
52 Post contains links tortugamon : The last day of summer is 10 days away and Boeing has consistently mentioned that ZB001 would fly 'later in the summer'. Aviation week has an article
53 Post contains links KarelXWB : Speaking of the devil, LN20 finished change incorporation and was moved to the fuel dock. http://paineairport.com/kpae6684.htm
54 seabosdca : They better get that "20" off the nose!
55 NYC777 : Check out my latest blog update for news on the 787-9
56 Post contains images United787 : But 3 months from roll out to first flight...
57 817Dreamliiner : 14th of September for first flight. Of all the days... Guess im gonna miss it (assuming there will be a live webcast).
58 NYC777 : It is tentative so it may be pushed back to as late as mid next week.
59 casinterest : Has there been any taxi tests of the bird yet? Anything from Matt on the Gauntlet tests
60 NYC777 : Gauntlet testing started this morning
61 817Dreamliiner : Your right, especially since they haven't done taxi tests yet.
62 Post contains links KarelXWB : Let's see when ZB001 will receive its registration number. http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/378220541636653056
63 Post contains links KarelXWB : It's currently simulating a flight over Idaho. http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/378237808252428290
64 Post contains links KarelXWB : Royal Brunei will start 787 operation from December and the article also reveals the cabin configuration: 18 business class seats (2-2-2) and 236 econ
65 gemuser : That seems odd. Is this an FAA requirement? Is not the case here. Gemuser
66 DeltaB717 : Was it not already given N789EX?
67 817Dreamliiner : Yes, but its not on the aircraft at the moment.
68 DeltaB717 : Ahhhh OK, now I'm with ya!
69 dynamicsguy : Isn't the runway closed this weekend? My information suggests that the 14th wasn't the date anyway.
70 tortugamon : Reuters is saying mid to late next week. tortugamon
71 Post contains links KarelXWB : 17 September it is. http://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/status/378634671824719872
72 Post contains images 817Dreamliiner : Guess I wont miss it after all along with the Cseries on Monday
73 Post contains images KELPkid : And only a.nutters and airlines will take note. Unfortunately, John Q. Public will not take much notice of the first flight of a derivative type... A
74 tortugamon : The ANA 787-9 will be a production aircraft with a full interior. It will be used for testing but it isn't like ZB001,ZB002. tortugamon
75 Post contains links ual747-600 : Another flight out of CHS http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE433. C-2? UAL747-600
76 NYC777 : My guess is it's a C-1
77 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : I found a recent picture of ZA001 and ZA002 in Palmdale. DSC02804 by fourcher1, on Flickr[Edited 2013-09-14 12:48:42]
78 Post contains links NYC777 : The 1st 787 for QANTAS (Jetstar) is scheduled for a B-1 later this afternoon: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE215
79 NYC777 : ZA215 just did a couple of high speed taxi tests then went back to the ramp due to low ceilings. Maybe tomorrow will have better weather.
80 NYC777 : Now it looks like ZA215 is going to try to make it out for a B-1. Also ZA445 for RBA did taxi tests but no B-1. I guess that will be done tomorrow.
81 NYC777 : ZA215 is in the air. I think we can look forward to ZA445 (for Royal Brunei) to fly tomorrow.
82 Post contains links clickhappy : VH-VKA (ZA215) returning from its first flight http://www.flickr.com/photos/royalscottking/9753876243/
83 Post contains links and images EK413 : Here she is returning to home base after her test flight Credit royalscottking on Flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/royalsc...9753876243/sizes/l/in
84 Post contains links and images EK413 : Another shot from Australian Business Traveller: http://www.ausbt.com.au/jetstar-s-bo...pper&utm_campaign=home-flipper EK8413
85 hkcanadaexpat : A discussion with 7Boeing7 in a different thread had me looking back at the production stats of the 787. So a bit of weekend statistical reading below
86 Post contains links KarelXWB : That picture is from Bernie Leighton http://www.flickr.com/photos/bernieleighton/9754297993/
87 tortugamon : Nice work A. tortugamon
88 Post contains links ual747-600 : Another ZA243 flight today out of KCHS.. I thought this plane was seen at the delivery center already. What flight would this be? http://flightaware.c
89 hkcanadaexpat : Flight test #10 by my count! A
90 NYC777 : Flight lasted less than 10 minutes according to flightaware. either something is wrong or the aircraft passed whatever test it went up for within a f
91 Post contains links NYC777 : So a couple more flights popped up today: ZA453 which is for BA looks like they'll be flying a B-2 flight: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE453 a
92 7BOEING7 : Can't trust FA on this one, they have it climbing thru FL310 when its supposed to have landed. Probably another C flight looking for something at alt
93 7BOEING7 : Finishing up the B-1 profile from the incomplete flight on the 11th (BOE543).
94 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : ANA ZA514 (107) filed for a C-1: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE514
95 Post contains images WarpSpeed : Awesome analysis and discussion! Agreed that one would expect improving, not flat trends. Especially as frames are supposedly leaving the FAL with fe
96 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : RBA ZA445 (128) filed for its B-1 about noon: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE445
97 JHwk : My guess is the end-of-month factor weighs more heavily than some of the other expected deltas. I would have expected the median time from FAL to del
98 NYC777 : Looks like ZB001 was doing some taxi tests today.
99 tortugamon : I figured. Was hoping to get some pictures but we may have to wait to see what Matt posts. tortugamon
100 Post contains links and images dan23 : ZB001 now with plastered on registration: DSC_0109-resize by moonm, on Flickr
101 Post contains links United787 : As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. For more specific information on the aircraft
102 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : First taxi test is done. 787-9 Taxi Test by The Boeing Company, on Flickr
103 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Royal Brunei LN128 on a taxi test. Royal Brunai V8-DLA Boeing 787 by moonm, on Flickr More pictures are available at http://www.flickr.com/photos/moon
104 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Another view: Boeing 787-9 by Images In Light, on Flickr And a video: http://www.flickr.com/photos/-jplphoto/9779559671/
105 rotating14 : By the looks of this gem, the -10 is gonna look immaculate. Seems as though the double bogie MLG might be a tad small for the -10 unless is strengthe
106 seabosdca : The -9 and -10 have exactly the same max gross weights.
107 Post contains links NYC777 : ZB001 now up on Flightaware: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE1[Edited 2013-09-17 08:00:49]
108 NYC777 : If today's flight actually takes place it will come exactly 3 years and 9 months (or exactly 196 weeks) of ZA001's first flight (1st 787-8) on Decembe
109 Post contains images KarelXWB : And it looks like it will be a rainy day too
110 Post contains images Stitch : Overcast at the moment. Forecast is for partly cloudy skies with occasional showers. Looks to be better than what ZA001 encountered during her first
111 NYC777 : Weather looks to be improving. Ceilings are certainly well above the minimums and looks to be real good visibility too.
112 Post contains links NYC777 : Boeing 540 is going on another test flight after ZB001 leaves. It's listed as BOE 450 on flightaware: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE450
113 7BOEING7 : EWA flight.
114 rj777 : OK. Live stream is still on that Blue Screen.
115 Post contains links NYC777 : It's now corrected: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE540
116 NYC777 : Take off now expected at 10:30AM.
117 Post contains links KarelXWB : Meanwhile ZA540 is in the air too. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...0/history/20130917/1708Z/KPAE/KMWH
118 KPDX : Seems to be following ZB001, currently. Any reason for this? Just the same flight profile or something?
119 KarelXWB : It looks like both are following the normal test flight path to MWH indeed.
120 SCL767 : CC-BBD flying alongside ZB001! Now that made my day!
121 7BOEING7 : The normal flight path to MWH doesn't go over Glasgow, Montana.
122 tortugamon : Jon Ostrower posted this on his facebook: "Boeing hasn't disclosed production plans for the Dash Nine. A person familiar with its planning says the Da
123 hkcanadaexpat : If you look at number of planes, rather than percentages, it looks about right. It means that by LN400, the split will be 310 x 788 + 90 x 789 (incl.
124 Post contains links and images SCL767 : CC-BBD preforming a test flight right after ZB001 inaugural flight: LAN CC-BBD Boeing 787-8 by moonm, on Flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/moonm/979
125 tortugamon : Correct assessment. However, I don't see them planning on going from 70% 787-9s in 2015 (LN350-400) to a lower percentage in 2016 (60%). Why plan on
126 hkcanadaexpat : My projections show 10-13 789 deliveries in 2014 and another 37-42 789s in 2015 so we won't see a meaningful number in commercial service until 2016 u
127 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : BAB ZA453 (121) filed for a quick up and down B-3 this morning: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE453
128 Post contains images KELPkid : 18 days into the month and still only one delivery (which "really" happened the month before?). I thought this was supposed to be a record breaking mo
129 tortugamon : 10 787-9s in 2014 seems optimistic to me but we will see. I believe the test frames aren't due for delivery until 2015 and there are only 2 pre-LN180
130 Post contains links KarelXWB : The Jetstar 787 is on a second flight test: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...5/history/20130918/2300Z/KPAE/KPAE
131 WarpSpeed : Flight testing in September seemed to get off to a slow start after a flurry of deliveries at the end of August. The activity has picked up this week
132 dan23 : Looks like a B-2?
133 seabosdca : Four aircraft at Charleston have already made customer flights. Unfortunately three of them are for the customers who are known to be unpredictable ab
134 United787 : Well it looks like 6 are ready for delivery plus another 4-6 in active flight testing so the potential is there. 4 of the 6 that are ready are in Cha
135 dynamicsguy : Deliveries are heavily weighted towards the end of the month (for all types, not just the 787) so deliveries at this point in the month aren't indica
136 Post contains links and images EK413 : The VH-VKA Jetstar made it's 2nd flight yesterday. Jetstar VH-VKA Boeing 787-8 by moonm, on Flickr Jetstar VH-VKA Boeing 787-8 by moonm, on Flickr EK8
137 tortugamon : Sure there is time but they will need to be loaded into the production plan at a more regular pace. They are clearly running at less than 10% 787-9s
138 7BOEING7 : I'm not sure any of these airplanes are done flying yet. One I think you're counting GUN ZA385 (100) flew a short flight today which maybe another "B
139 Post contains links NYC777 : Boeing not wasting any time in getting ZB001 back in the air: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE1 When ZA001 first flew it was almost two weeks be
140 Post contains links and images KPDX : ZB001 is taxiing out right now: http://www.wasar.org/webcams/ [Edited 2013-09-19 12:08:23]
141 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : And again today for a B-4 (?), looks like a lot of 787's have an issue with something at altitude that for multiple airplanes there have been multipl
142 tortugamon : ZB001 appears to be heading to Montana before landing at MWH. 1h 36 minutes "planned" but there will undoubtedly be another flight from MWH to BFI. Lo
143 starrion : Do we want to do a separate thread for 789 flight testing? I notice that a CZ jet has been at the Delivery Center for the last couple of days. Should
144 KarelXWB : In CHS I assume? That must be LN100, it should deliver this month. Expect a rush at the end of the month.
145 7BOEING7 : It flew another flight today so it's not done yet -- the delivery center must be the only parking spot left down there.
146 tortugamon : Clearly that is out the window. They don't seem to have any immediately plans to land at MWH. I wouldn't be surprised if they actually land back at B
147 KarelXWB : Indeed. We have seen this before: Flightaware showed a flight duration of less than 2 hours on September 16 while ZB001 was in the air for over 4 hour
148 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : Guys, this is experimental flight test, you take a "wag" at how long you think it might take and very seldom does it work out that way. You just work
149 Post contains images KPDX : ZB001 has just landed. That is another 5+ hour flight in the books. Got another webcam capture.
150 tortugamon : Great news. tortugamon
151 travelhound : I have just reviewed the production schedule on All Things 787 and have noted that for announced production the Everett lines have each been allocated
152 NYC777 : They never said that they were going to produce 10/month on one line. They have 3 lines to support 10/month and that is the plan. They slowed things
153 kanban : Why do people think that aircraft production and delivery is as simple as a fully automated automobile line that loads directly to a transporter for d
154 Post contains images WarpSpeed : Despite speculation to the contrary, isn't the plan to have the Surge Line wind down at some point so that 2 lines are producing at least 10/month (m
155 JHwk : ...which equates to 10/month on a single line! Nothing says this was expected to happen by now, but they do have a pretty long way to go.
156 WarpSpeed : sort of, only if weekends are included. I believe conventional wisdom is that a production month is about 20-23 days depending on the month and that
157 NYC777 : Yes the surge line is to wind down probably a year from now. CHS will take up the slack.
158 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : LAN ZA540 (118) filed for a C-1: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE540 AMX ZA562 (122) filed for a B-1: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE562
159 Hamlet69 : On the runway right now, just performed an RTO. Hamlet69
160 Hamlet69 : BTW - N787FT took off right before ZA562 took the runway. Anyone know why she was at PAE? Hamlet69
161 KarelXWB : If the 777 line can produce 8 aircraft per month, so can the 787. Eventually. The surge line was in the first place created to assist a smooth ramp-u
162 tortugamon : It is trying to get the GENx PIP 2 certified I believe. The Trent 1000 package C has been certified by Europe at this point and I assume the FAA isn'
163 PW100 : Perhaps because that was exactly what Boeing was telling the world from 787 launch right until the program went into FUBAR. When making big claims, t
164 Post contains images KELPkid : Planned or unplanned? Just wondering if that is a part of the testing...
165 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : BAB ZA453 (121) about to land on a B-4 (?) flight: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...3/history/20130920/1915Z/KPAE/KPAE The RTO check is performe
166 mham001 : That is not what they said. They said they planned to produce one plane every 3 days.
167 KELPkid : How close to V1 is it performed? I'm assuming you don't do it at V1, as that would be rather rough on the plane, and you'd probably be towing it off
168 travelhound : I didn't intend to write the post to be negative. I was just stating an observation and was looking for clarification. If (and the whole premise of t
169 WarpSpeed : At a media briefing in June 2007, right before the infamous 7/8/07 roll-out, Mike Bair, 787 GM and VP for Boeing, touted how the new way of building
170 7BOEING7 : Production RTO checks are about 90kts ground speed, so well below V1 and at a fairly light weight -- it's still fairly rough on the airplane but not
171 tortugamon : Looks like ZB001 flew for another 3:43 minutes today. I think that adds up to 14h 27m so far. Getting up three times in four days has to be a good sig
172 Hamlet69 : I apologize for not being more clear. I was on my phone, doing a bit of spotting before work. This was not 'real' RTO, as 7BOEING7 has quite nicely e
173 starrion : NYC777 Why would Boeing close the line..? They have enough orders to keep them busy for a long time. Is the unit cost that much higher?
174 tortugamon : I believe much of the flights were indeed down in VCV but they also went to Hawaii and Daytona Beach and many other places. As far as I can remember
175 Post contains links seahawks7757 : Wow, didn't take Boeing long to get the 787-9 flying again, was out on a 3rd flight already yesterday- http://www.flickr.com/photos/seahawks7757/98506
176 United787 : I think we do. This thread is for production and delivery of 788 and 789. I think the 789 testing program is a different topic requiring a different
177 NYC777 : Surge line was always meant to be temporary from the get go. I was to allow Boeig to pick up production rate while Charleston slowly ramped up. Once
178 Post contains links tortugamon : CNBC has a nice air to air video of the 787-9 first flight: http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000200264 I am all for creating a separate thread bu
179 ual747-600 : I was just wondering if anyone knew anything about Qatar A7-BCF and what is going on with that aircraft? UAL747-600
180 NYC777 : Apparently Qatar inspections are going on a lot longer than planned. They're being extremely picky and thus delaying delivery.
181 bellancacf : Just speaking as an interested onlooker, I agree. It's quick and easy one-stop shopping to check the "production" thread for all the 787 production/d
182 NYC777 : I'm tracking the flight hours that the 787-9 flight test/certification program will be accumulating. Check out my latest blog post for more informati
183 tortugamon : Saw yesterday's post. Thanks, as always, for keeping track. tortugamon
184 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : AMX ZA562 (122) filed for another try at a B-1 today: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE562
185 Post contains links KPDX : ZB001 going up again, today. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...1/history/20130921/2200Z/KMWH/KBFI
186 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : HU LN131 is in paint, registration is B-2731. Hainan B-2731 Boeing 787-8 by moonm, on Flickr
187 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : And on the other coast HNA ZA433 (81) is trying to get in the air on a C-1, that would be two Chinese customers in two days -- finally doing some work
188 tortugamon : Do you think that it isn't a coincidence? I wonder if the Chinese is telling them when, or the order in which they can pick them up. tortugamon
189 7BOEING7 : It used to happen that way for Trans Australian and Ansett for 727's--I don't think that was a coincidence.
190 KELPkid : A better question is what has to be retested for a derivative type that wasn't included in the 787-8 certification program? I know they need to know
191 NYC777 : And it timed out.....again!
192 NYC777 : unfortunately also timed out.
193 tortugamon : Sounds about right. Trent Engines are certified Do you have a guess on how many hours it will take? tortugamon
194 tortugamon : Looks like another 4 hours of flight time today on ZB001 today. Back to back to back days. Good stuff. tortugamon
195 Post contains links 817Dreamliiner : Indeed. She also did a touch and go at PAE: http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/9868363195/ Photo from Matt Cawby.
196 Post contains links KarelXWB : There was an initial engine run on Air India VT-ANG (LN32). http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/9848613854/
197 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : BAB ZA453 (121) about to land on a B-5 flight: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE453 AMX ZA562 (122) (third times a charm) on its B-1 flight: http
198 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : BAB ZA453 (121) flew a C-1 later in the afternoon: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...3/history/20130922/2100Z/KPAE/KMWH
199 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : QTR ZA467 (109) filed for a C-1 later in the afternoon in KCHS: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...7/history/20130923/1600Z/KCHS/KMYR
200 Post contains images KELPkid : Finally, seeing some customer flying! Hope it all pans out well for Boeing
201 United787 : Looks like we have about 9 aircraft ready or very close to being ready. I wonder if Boeing is trying to beat their 787daily delivery record from 12/20
202 NYC777 : This aircraft had some sort of engine issue when it tried to do a B-2 this weekend. This is going to be delivered in October now. ZA467 might be deli
203 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : QAN ZA215 (123) completed its B-3 today: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE215 Looks now like it was just a long B-2.
204 KarelXWB : Interesting information, thanks. Qatar is of course a picky customer and CHS is now going through a learning curve of delivering the aircraft. The 2n
205 United787 : I don't want to defend HRH Al-Baker but it sounds like the plane has a lot of issues as a result of the manufacturing, not from Qatar being picky. I
206 Post contains links tortugamon : I think the dispatch rate on the Chinese birds has been normal. There could be something going on. I am kind of amazed that it is being kept quiet th
207 Post contains images KELPkid : Stall testing? Just a guess...they do need to know stall speeds for the derivative type though.
208 Post contains images tortugamon : Do they do that for engine certification? Maybe not. It would be helpful to know it before testing it on the 789 so you can isolate engine vs airfram
209 Post contains links DeltaB717 : BOE215 (JQ #1, ZA215 cn123) in the air for the 2nd time today (KPAE-KMWH), with another flight planned what seems to be immediately after this one (KM
210 kanban : breaking in a new factory with a new manufacturing force is not easy.. even the QC are new. In an established factory like Renton/Everett the mechani
211 7BOEING7 : Both parts KPAE-KMWH/KMWH-KPAE=C-1
212 DeltaB717 : Great news, thanks!!
213 7BOEING7 : The data in the "track log and graph" on FA shows a stabilized slow speed at a fairly constant attitude which isn't what you'd see during a full stal
214 tortugamon : Thanks. It does look like that. Do they need to do that for engine (Package C) certification and aircraft certification (787-9)? tortugamon
215 Post contains links KarelXWB : ANA JA821A is at the delivery center. http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/382600718676262914
216 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Picture here: Photo cut out of http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/9925947196/
217 starrion : So that's two from Everett this month. Interestingly the Charleston aircraft seem to be getting entirely too comfy in their stalls. The CZ frame has b
218 Post contains links NYC777 : ZA467 is flying another customer flight: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE467 Hopefully it should be the last. This one may be able to deliver by
219 Post contains links NYC777 : ZA445 for RBS going up on a C-1 it looks like.: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE445[Edited 2013-09-25 10:37:13]
220 seabosdca : Glad to see they were able to fix the smoky engine so quickly.
221 7BOEING7 : My moneys on a B-2.
222 Post contains links NYC777 : From Matt Cawby: Engine run just completed on Royal Brunei 787 V8-DLA scheduled for C1 flight this afternoon— Paine Airport (@mattcawby) September
223 Post contains images KELPkid : When did Pratt become an engine vendor for the 787?
224 7BOEING7 : A C-1 may in fact be scheduled for this afternoon but I'm guessing what he didn't say is there is a B-2 or FCF that will occur before the C-1. The ZA
225 NYC777 : It's running a taxi test right now. I didn't see it go up via FA and in fact it did say it was delayed until 12:13 local.
226 7BOEING7 : Looks like FA has a flight plan for KMWH/KPAE later this afternoon so we should see a KPAE/KMWH soon, the first leg of a C-1 for RBA ZA445 (128) -- t
227 Post contains links NYC777 : Boeing re-filed for ZA445, it now looks like a B-3 flight: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE445
228 Post contains images 7BOEING7 : A quick up and down. It wa a little to late for a customer flight anyway. Tomorrow hopefully.
229 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : And from the east coast: Now I think we're finally going to see the C-1 for QTR ZA467 (109)--after we see the "profile" we'll know for sure: http://fl
230 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : LN79 has been towed from the flightline to the EMC. Hanging around KPAE by moonm, on Flickr LN30 (VT-ANE) has been pushed out of the EMC with engines
231 Post contains links WarpSpeed : The expected C-1? http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE445
232 Post contains images 7BOEING7 : And now that the C-1 for QTR ZA467 (109) is complete it will be interesting to see how many more C flights before it leaves.
233 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Nice picture of ZA445: V8-DLA on a Customer Flight by Powercube, on Flickr
234 Kengo : Clean and simple looking, I like it.
235 Post contains links tortugamon : BOE1 (ZB001) is heading back up for a flight today. I think it has been six days since it was the last in the air. Similar mission to other past missi
236 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : AMX ZA562 (122) and GUN ZA381 (36) out on B-2's: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE562 http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE381
237 Confuscius : Also, first time to fly away from the state of Washington, all the way to Idaho.
238 Post contains links NYC777 : ZA382 flying for the first time since god knows when: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE382
239 KarelXWB : I believe its last flight was the ferry from FTW during the grounding.
240 tortugamon : Almost to Montana. Looks like another 4 hour test flight. tortugamon
241 Post contains images KELPkid : Speaking of when it leaves, will it be taking a 4-6 week trip to VCV for interior completion/IFE installation like its predicessors?
242 starrion : So the five Charleston aircraft in the 'ready' condition have amassed 42 test flights between them and 0 delivery flights. I believe that Boeing was c
243 7673mech : I hear she flew pretty good. Early October delivery.
244 Post contains links KarelXWB : A delivery flight for HU B-2723 (LN81) popped up on Flightaware but has disappeared again. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CHH2723
245 Post contains links KarelXWB : Here it is again: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...3/history/20130928/1900Z/KCHS/ZBAA The longest runway in CHS finished repairs so it can fly d
246 kd9gy : Hurray for CHS! Glad to see it heading towards PEK! It's been over a month since the last status report on the ET 787 parked at LHR. Anything new on r
247 Post contains links KarelXWB : LAN CC-BBD (LN118) is at the Everett Delivery Center. http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/384015117467136000
248 United787 : Finally seeing some delivery action! Also, surprising to see an HU bird delivery before a CZ one. Will China be taking their airplanes in a more timel
249 SCL767 : Great! Just in time for the inaugural 787 flight to MAD! Also, CC-BBE (LN113) should be delivered within the next few days.
250 Post contains links KarelXWB : Jetstar VH-VKB is in paint. http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/384037730998423552 BA G-ZBJD will be moved to the Everett Delivery Center shortly. htt
251 Post contains links KarelXWB : Delivery flight here: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...7/history/20130929/0050Z/KPAE/EGLL Someone opened the flood gates.
252 Post contains links SCL767 : CC-BBD and G-ZBJD at the Everett Delivery Center: http://paineairport.com/images/kpae9833.jpg LAN CC-BBE ZA539 (LN 113) prefoming another flight: http
253 Stitch : Weather here in Seattle is pretty atrocious with clouds almost on the deck, high wind gusts and heavy rains. If it's similar up in PAE, I would not be
254 NYC777 : Regardless, since the aircraft are at the delivery center, contractual delivery has been made and the airlines own 'em now!
255 KELPkid : Either Flight-aware is wonky tonight or they never made it off. Flight aware is showing it as scheduled, but IIRC, the FAA computers throw your fligh
256 United787 : I am curious about the delivery center. I always assumed that the contractual delivery is made there but since you are saying that they didn't pull t
257 Post contains links United787 : As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. For more specific information on the aircraft
258 7BOEING7 : Although there were short periods of low visibility due to heavy rain today the winds were within limits and had any flights been scheduled including
259 Post contains images readytotaxi : Here it is at 09.15 GMT.
260 a36001 : The Royal Brunei livery looks great suits the aircraft well done to them. As much as it pains me to say, the JQ livery isn't lighting my fire as I tho
261 KarelXWB : Unfortunately the flight plan has been removed, I'm not sure if LN81 was delivered.
262 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Here's a nice picture showing the view on the airplanes: Source http://www.google.com/hostednews/get...bd1FdSbqDq7ewYLATw?docId=165376355
263 Post contains links KarelXWB : Pictures here: http://paineairport.com/images/kpae9834.png http://paineairport.com/images/kpae9832.png The JQ livery is nice but they should have pai
264 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : G-ZBJD is already in a holding pattern Welcome to LHR
265 Post contains links SA7700 : As part 21 has been created, this thread will be locked down for further comments. Any posts added after the thread lock will be removed for housekeep
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