RWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4573 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 17635 times:
Quoting behramjee (Reply 4): these timings are very good and hopefully the B77W shall be operated.
I agree, bad timing, you can do domestic connections to Europe maybe, but outside of that, only the return flight offers regional connections with out an overnight. I think they would be fools to fly anything but the 77W to LHR. I thought they were keeping the 343s just until cat 2 is lifted, then they can change aircraft types to their N American destinations.
LatinPlane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2804 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 17172 times:
Does PR really need to be landing at LHR? They're not precisely going for business traffic, rather mostly targeting the Filipino community in England. That is a heavy investment, that is well worth it, but only if it's going to pay off.
I meant to say I don't agree, the timing on the return looks decent, but the morning departure from MNL, does not allow for connections other than some domestic markets. Unless this service is expected to be almost exclusively O/D.
Yeah that previous sytement didn't make much sense.
After 15 years of absence PAL will finally return to Europe, and the Philippines will once again have a nonstop service to Europe.
Quoting LatinPlane (Reply 8): Does PR really need to be landing at LHR? They're not precisely going for business traffic, rather mostly targeting the Filipino community in England. That is a heavy investment, that is well worth it, but only if it's going to pay off.
While I agree that the Philippines has been (and to a big extent still is) a low yielding market with not much business traffic, one needs to keep in mind that the nation is currently the fastest growing major economy in all of Asia! So far this year it has been growing even faster than China, India and Indonesia. It is lately even called a new Asian tiger, or Tiger cub economy. So probably PAL is also looking forward and geering up for the future to come. ULH are often difficult to turn profitable, and BA would most certainly not be able to make this route lucrative, but PAL with its lower cost base and high-density configuration might just make it.
TC957 From UK - England, joined May 2012, 1962 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 16651 times:
I'm sure there will be consolidator and agent nett fare contracts on this route soon.
Garuda should be next for a Europe expansion. So much for those on this site that think the ME3 big boys have saturated the Europe - Philippine market, and that PR & GA could never make non-stops to Europe work now.
aerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 8231 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16374 times:
I like flying PR, I have a number of sectors on them - one of the things that gets me on longer distance International flights is that I would like to be able to accrue them to an account affiliated with one of the alliances. I don't otherwise fly them often enough to build up many Mabuhay miles.
While I will agree that there's not much feed that can go into these flights on the outbound save for early morning flights from CEB and DVO (and maybe some of the midnight flights from places like DPS, CGK and CAN), on the inbound it's the opposite: the flight is well-suited for onward connections to Southeast Asia and, on certain days, Australia.
Quoting BasilFawlty (Reply 17): AMS is supposed to be A343 in the beginning, 3-4 weekly flights starting in December, if everything goes as planned.
PR seems to have run into a problem with AMS: they have the slots, but AMS has denied its request for the times it wants to schedule the flight.
airlinebuilder From Philippines, joined Nov 2012, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 15510 times:
CONGRATULATIONS TO PAL! Finally Asia's first is gaining its status back again, slowly but surely. It is rewarding to finally see it rehabilitating itself in so many ways, the airline that once help major airlines in Southeast Asia to set up the likes of Japan Airlines to name one.
dforce1 From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 506 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 15060 times:
The original link from the Philippine Air Space blog indicates that PAL was able to obtain daily slots at Heathrow. Any speculation as to why they are only operating five times per week? Is it due to lack of equipment or are they being cautious? Also, does any have any idea which Terminal they might use?
It was actually declared last May 2012 by Transportation Secretary Mar Roxas that PAL had unused frequencies to London Heathrow and were simply waiting for the ban to be lifted. I am glad that they were able to get to Heathrow although that early departure from Manila does pose somewhat of a problem for those trying to connect from the provinces to the outbound flight. But at least it's a start!
crownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2314 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 15045 times:
Now all they need to do is get a on-line booking system that actually works and takes your credit card. I mean, come on already. I thought they finally resolved this problem, but sure enough, I tried booking travel with them today and it rejects every American credit card I have. This airline has got to get into the 21st Century. The funny thing is, every time this happens and you have to call them, they actually consistently claim their is nothing wrong with their system. OK, maybe once or twice you can believe it, but year after year, PAL's system has credit card problems and they feed you a bunch of BS nothing is wrong. Really? I much rather fly PAL than CEB, but in the end, I wound up booking CEB, an airline I hate giving one Peso to.
You would think that the investment from San Miguel would have fixed this issue, but it has not. I cannot understand how an airline buys 777-300ER's and Airbus' by the the dozens, but cannot fix the reservation system that fills the seats of those expensive planes. Total incompetence!
laca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4222 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (2 years 7 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 14145 times:
Quoting RWA380 (Reply 6): I agree, bad timing, you can do domestic connections to Europe maybe, but outside of that, only the return flight offers regional connections with out an overnight. I think they would be fools to fly anything but the 77W to LHR. I thought they were keeping the 343s just until cat 2 is lifted, then they can change aircraft types to their N American destinations.
I was wondering about this too. They really need to get those 77Ws on their MNL-LAX-MNL flights. The A340s are too small for this market, and the 744s are far from efficient anymore.
I am happy PAL is sending their flagship a/c to LHR. I hope it works out for them.