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Mesa To Operate 175s For United  
User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4279 posts, RR: 6
Posted (1 year 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6742 times:

Well....it turns out that Mesa is going to be the operator of those 175s that United bought...plus the agreement also extends the CRJ-700 contract as well.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/mesa-o...mbraer-175-aircraft-120000857.html

[Edited 2013-09-13 06:42:11]

[Edited 2013-09-13 06:42:41]

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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3969 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (1 year 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6741 times:
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................175's you mean.


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User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4279 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (1 year 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6669 times:

Copy that...thread is renamed accordingly.

[Edited 2013-09-13 06:43:05]

User currently offlineusflyer msp From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (1 year 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6630 times:

Interesting. US is a partial owner of Mesa but Mesa does need to diversify its partners. Hope this goes better than the last two UA/Mesa partnerships...

User currently offlineRDH3E From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1676 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (1 year 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6555 times:

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 3):
Interesting. US is a partial owner of Mesa but Mesa does need to diversify its partners. Hope this goes better than the last two UA/Mesa partnerships...

I know there are multiple factors involved, but according to the DOT, Mesa's A:14 has been better than SkyWest's over the period 2011-Present. YV 82.9%, OO 80.3%. (That is ALL of their flying, not just UA though)


User currently offlinewoodreau From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1042 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (1 year 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6536 times:

Quoting usflyer msp (Reply 3):
Interesting. US is a partial owner of Mesa but Mesa does need to diversify its partners. Hope this goes better than the last two UA/Mesa partnerships...

It will make it easier for US to place more E-175's at Mesa after the US/AA merger.

[Edited 2013-09-13 07:01:05]


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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6037 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (1 year 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6361 times:

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 4):
I know there are multiple factors involved, but according to the DOT, Mesa's A:14 has been better than SkyWest's over the period 2011-Present. YV 82.9%, OO 80.3%. (That is ALL of their flying, not just UA though)

However, Mesa only flies out of CLT, PHX, and HNL as hubs, right? Those aren't exactly delay prone airports. Plus, since Mesa's great aircraft purge, SkyWest now has nearly as many airplanes as Mesa has flights.



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User currently offlineRDH3E From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1676 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (1 year 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6315 times:

Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 6):
However, Mesa only flies out of CLT, PHX, and HNL as hubs, right? Those aren't exactly delay prone airports. Plus, since Mesa's great aircraft purge, SkyWest now has nearly as many airplanes as Mesa has flights.

ORD, IAH, IAD, DEN


User currently offlineatpcliff From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 181 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6289 times:

I read elsewhere that UAL is worried that Mesa will not be able to adequately staff the new airframes, due to the pilot shortage, which is related to the new US FAA regulations that require all -121 (large commercial operations) pilots to have their ATP license, vs. the old requirement of only a Commercial license.


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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6037 posts, RR: 14
Reply 9, posted (1 year 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6229 times:

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 7):
ORD, IAH, IAD, DEN

Ah, well, those aren't exactly delay prone, either. (Well, ORD is, to a degree, I guess, but that's more a gate space issue, and nothing with what the airport itself can handle anymore.)

Quoting atpcliff (Reply 8):
I read elsewhere that UAL is worried that Mesa will not be able to adequately staff the new airframes

They'll find a way, most likely by neglecting CRJ hiring, and transferring pilots. Mesa, and SkyWest as well, knows that their immediate future lay with the E175, so getting those staffed are a top priority.

[Edited 2013-09-13 08:04:49]


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User currently offlineRDH3E From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1676 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (1 year 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6216 times:

Quoting atpcliff (Reply 8):
I read elsewhere that all the majors are worried that all regionals will not be able to adequately staff the new airframes, due to the pilot shortage, which is related to the new US FAA regulations that require all -121 (large commercial operations) pilots to have their ATP license, vs. the old requirement of only a Commercial license.

Just a minor fix to make your statement more accurate  


User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6159 times:

Quoting atpcliff (Reply 8):

I've heard the same. And who in their right mind would want to go to Mesa just to make $22 an hour for the 'privilege' to fly a jet with engines under the wings? Good luck to them, I've commuted in Mesa a few times and their pilots are a decent bunch of guys that deserve much better.


User currently offlinemesaflyguy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3131 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (1 year 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6121 times:
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Quoting Goldenshield (Reply 6):
Quoting RDH3E (Reply 7):

and PHL.



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User currently offlineN353SK From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 822 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6060 times:

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 4):
Mesa's A:14 has been better than SkyWest's over the period 2011-Present.

I don't believe Mesa has ACARS which means instead of the actual out time being automatically transmitted, the crew submits the times via radio. And I'm sure they neeevvvver evvvver fib the times  


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25389 posts, RR: 49
Reply 14, posted (1 year 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 5989 times:

Congrats Mesa   

They truly have been doing a great job for United in recent years.

Also part of the news, they received another 5-year extension on 20 CRJ-700 flying as well.



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User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4279 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (1 year 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5964 times:

Mesa has ACARS now. I was in their Jumpseat a couple of weeks ago and no times were called in, and gate info was on ACARS.

User currently offline93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 418 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5848 times:

I had heard that TransStates was trying to get this deal but the obviously lost.

User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1577 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5791 times:

So does this mean the (additional) rumors of SkyWest trying to get in on the new UA E-175 flying won't happen now? I remember hearing either on here or FT that SkyWest was trying to get into the E-Jet game, specifically with UA, so I'm curious if this means they are out for now, or if the Mesa deal just covers part of the new fleet.

User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1532 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (1 year 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5741 times:

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 17):

SkyWest purchased 30 (I think) of their own E-Jets. I believe these for Mesa are the ones that United purchased a few months ago. I think I remember reading the SkyWest purchased birds are going towards UA flying but the details are escaping me right now.


User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25389 posts, RR: 49
Reply 19, posted (1 year 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 5741 times:

Here is the deal.

1) United in April directly ordered 30 firm E175s with option for 40 more.

2) Skywest in May ordered 40 E175s with options for up to 160 more (including E2)


For United's direct order, the carrier went out to the market to solicit bids from carriers as to whom it would place the aircraft with. We now know Mesa was the winner.

For Skywest own order, they entered into a separate 15-year CPA with United for 40 of the aircraft.



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User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6037 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (1 year 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5681 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 19):
2) Skywest in May ordered 40 E175s with options for up to 160 more (including E2)

40 firm, 60 tentative, 100 options, and then for the E2's, 100 +100.

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 19):
For United's direct order, the carrier went out to the market to solicit bids from carriers as to whom it would place the aircraft with. We now know Mesa was the winner.

Despite flying planes owned by AS, and a few by DL, SkyWest would rather have control of the planes they fly. Especially with new types that require a lot of investment of time and money, like the E-175, and eventually, the MRJ.

[Edited 2013-09-13 09:47:13]


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User currently offlineLHCVG From United States of America, joined May 2009, 1577 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (1 year 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5669 times:

Quoting Acey559 (Reply 18):
Quoting LAXintl (Reply 19):

Thank you both for the info! I had forgotten about SkyWest buying some 175s themselves allocated for UAX flying, so I was confused about whether this news was an upset for Mesa over SkyWest or a separate transaction.

I do find it interesting that it's taken this along for any substantial non-Republic E-170/175 operators to come online in the U.S. (since CP isn't/wasn't that large a player).


User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6037 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (1 year 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5651 times:

Quoting LHCVG (Reply 21):
I do find it interesting that it's taken this along for any substantial non-Republic E-170/175 operators to come online in the U.S. (since CP isn't/wasn't that large a player).

It's because they, and the contracts they were used for, preferred the CRJ7/900 due to better operating costs.



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User currently offlinefun2fly From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1045 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5625 times:

What are the delivery schedules for the 30 Mesa and 40 Skywest units?

User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6037 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (1 year 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5614 times:

Quoting fun2fly (Reply 23):
What are the delivery schedules for the 30 Mesa and 40 Skywest units?

The first two should arrive early spring so that both can do their certfication and proving runs.



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25 roswell41 : I wonder if United is paying for all associated start up costs for the new type at Mesa. With FAA sequestration and Mesa's notorious thriftiness, I wo
26 ual777 : VERY little out of those places now relative to Skywest and ExpressJet Lets see if they implode AGAIN like they did last time....and the time before
27 crj900lr : Their pilots are always professional and friendly, unlike some other regional carriers pilots that are part of our (US) system. Mesa has issues but i
28 bjorn14 : I must have missed the 'E2' announcement. Is this EMB's NEO/MAX version? Anybody know the difference between old and new frames+
29 STT757 : So if UA exercises their 40 options the ERJ-175 fleet would be 110. Not bad, hopefully some will be based on the West Coast to shore up their North-S
30 Post contains links Goldenshield : http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...ded-jets-from-ilfc.html?cmpid=yhoo The new frames will have NEOs, I believe, and will also be a tad heavier and
31 mesaflyguy : And according to Embraer's mock ups on their website, they will have 777/787-type wings with the swept tips and no winglets.
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