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Irish 11/13: Flightfest Follow-up  
User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12526 posts, RR: 35
Posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 30993 times:

Good morning folks and welcome to our 11th thread of 2013.

Here's the link to 10/13, in case anyone wants to refer back: Irish 10/13: Up There Where The Air Is Clear ... (by kaitak Aug 14 2013 in Civil Aviation)

So, we've had Flightfest - and what a terrific occasion it was; congratulations to all involved. The weather looked like it might spoil things, but thankfully everything came together and a good time was had by all ... 150,000, it was said on the news. Not bad at all. Clearly, they kept the best for last, because the A380 was the most sought after participant.

It just goes to show ... a little imagination goes a long way!

We've had some interesting developments over the last month; of course, the reverberations from the UK Competition Authority's decision on FR/EI continue and no doubt, we'll still be hearing that for some time to come, if not this time next year. Here's a few other developments from the last month (not a complete list!):

- Aer Lingus launching SNN-ACE
- Aer Arann takes delivery of more ATR72s - now four -600s in the fleet.
- Aer Lingus commits to flatbeds in J from 2015
- Aer Lingus confirmed to be in talks with other carriers.
(I don't know how anyone could possibly think this thread is an "Aer Lingus fan club ...  )
- Traffic at DUB up 6% on last year; t/a doing particularly well
- Air Lithuanica to start service to DUB this Winter
- Norwegian's second 787 in Dublin for painting prior to (slightly abortive) service entry

Well, that's about it for now; have fun, enjoy and here's to some exciting developments over the coming weeks ...

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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27165 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 30954 times:

Quoting kaitak (Thread starter):

So, we've had Flightfest - and what a terrific occasion it was; congratulations to all involved.

Thanks for a new thread.

Was a great show and still loads of pictures going around the net. Some very good ones from people on their balconies in the apartments along the Quays. 130,000 people have to make this the best attraction for the whole year and more importantly free for everyone. For those that followed the coverage in Aertv ( once they got the technical issues sorted out) it was a decent feed. A few mistakes on descriptions but not bad. Lots of people have questioned as to why RTE did not cover it which is indeed a valid question. Maybe they cant afford to these days !

Aer Lingus have just released a seat sale USA EUR219 each way incl taxes.


User currently onlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 30903 times:

I flew home to KIR last night on the RE3208 but was delayed 30 minutes. The captain mentioned that it was due to knock-on delays from Flightfest. Aircraft was EI-CPT. What would have caused these delays? ATC restrictions?


Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6348 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 30883 times:

Here's a great video from Flightfest, in slow motion and high definition!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kM0oieDnJNg&feature=youtu.be

Some really stunning views, my favourite being the long distance shot of A330 over the hills and the Etihad behind Poolbeg.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):
Aer Lingus have just released a seat sale USA EUR219 each way incl taxes.

Aer Lingus have gone from squirrels to monsters for their sale advertising!



Much more eye catching than the stuff they used a few years ago!

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 2):
What would have caused these delays? ATC restrictions?

ATC restrictions were in place I think, saw a few tweets about delays caused by Flightfest.


User currently offlinedstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 30788 times:

In the last thread I said

" B 17 and Catalina passed close by my house in close proximity a few minutes ago, presumably returning home. I reckon it will be a long time before that happens again."

How wrong can you be!
Both passed close again today, but with about an hour between them in timing.
Where did they overnight, BAL or Weston?


User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3922 posts, RR: 9
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 30768 times:

I am curious about the Norwegian 787s. They are on the EI register, but crews are hired from Thiland. The operator is Norwegian (by nationality) which is not an EU member, does the long haul branch of Norwegian hold an Irish certificate or can a Norwegian airline register its aircraft on the EU register? Who oversees the regulation of these aircraft? The Norwegians or Ireland?


Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently offlinedstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 30738 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 5):
Who oversees the regulation of these aircraft? The Norwegians or Ireland?

Irish registered aircraft, wherever based, are supposed to be Irish regulated for air safety purposes.

Norway is in the EEA, although not the EU, which creates certain entitlements and obligations in many areas including in aviation too complex to set out but findable on the web. In general, these apply the same EU rules to Norway, without giving them any role in deciding them initially. (This inconvenient truth is usually forgotten by those who suggest a Norway style arrangement for the UK, as compared to full EU membership)


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12526 posts, RR: 35
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 30629 times:

Just been listening to Joe Duffy and there has been a lot of people complaining about the time between aircraft and there being insufficient entertainment during these delays; of course, the cold didn't help, but there were certainly a lot of people getting bored and leaving, particularly those with young children.

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 6):
Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 5):
Who oversees the regulation of these aircraft? The Norwegians or Ireland?

Irish registered aircraft, wherever based, are supposed to be Irish regulated for air safety purposes.

There was some discussion some time ago about the Norwegians basing aircraft in Ireland, but I think that was just someone putting two and two together and getting five, with a dash of wishful thinking too; I think Norwegian's plan is really just to hire cheaper cabin crew.


User currently offlinedstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 30536 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 5):
I am curious about the Norwegian 787s

Norwegian

According to the ever excellent Irish Air Letter, which just rolled in and is now in an entirely new format, Norwegian already have a temporary Irish AOC and an application for a permanent Irish AOC is being processed.

Many thanks to the IAL team for their ongoing efforts and magazine redesign.
Unlike some we might mention, banks and airlines included, a reworked "service improvement" is actually what it says.


User currently offlineirish251 From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 978 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 30428 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 7):
Just been listening to Joe Duffy and there has been a lot of people complaining about the time between aircraft and there being insufficient entertainment during these delays; of course, the cold didn't help, but there were certainly a lot of people getting bored and leaving, particularly those with young children.


People were moving around during the event and by its nature it was not going to hold the attention in the same way as a more conventional airshow. The riverside setting meant also that people could not necessarily see the aircraft from a distance as they lined up, so there was a bit of waiting as they positioned between runs. However safety undoubtedly demanded that separation between aircraft was preserved and that displays were at a height a bit above what might have suited the smaller machines. Remember too that these were not for the most part display pilots - also that some items had to be dropped from the lineup for operational reasons.

The radio programme you mention maybe draws some of its callers from those with an axe to grind and time on ther hands. Having attended, I thought that it was a good and novel show (free of charge too), with enough content to impress the casual onlooker as well as the enthusiast. I think a lot of credit is due to those who organised it and ensured that it went off largely as planned. The city was certainly buzzing and I heard several people around the town talking about the show in posisitive terms today.


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4646 posts, RR: 23
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 30220 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 1):
Aer Lingus have just released a seat sale USA EUR219 each way incl taxes.

They have also increased the Business Class fares - €899 to JFK, then €999 to BOS, €1099 to MCO and ORD and I won't even mention the scandalous amount to SFO. They obviously think the market can handle it.



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1853 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 30121 times:
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Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 2):
The captain mentioned that it was due to knock-on delays from Flightfest. Aircraft was EI-CPT. What would have caused these delays? ATC restrictions?
Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 3):

ATC restrictions were in place I think, saw a few tweets about delays caused by Flightfest.

The only restrictions in place were closed airspace around Dublin itself. With only 7 departures from DUB specifically for FlightFest it was not supposed to have much of an effect on DUB ops.

Quoting kaitak (Reply 7):
Just been listening to Joe Duffy and there has been a lot of people complaining about the time between aircraft and there being insufficient entertainment during these delays;

As above, axe to grind people talk to Joe. However I did expect a bit more in terms of entertainment/stalls/food outlets. I was thinking along the lines of the Tall Ships festival....now perhaps it was the time of year. I was on the SOuth Quays...I assume the North were the same?

As for the interval.....the most was maybe 10 minutes....hardly a lifetime. And they did have some no-shows due to the high winds, if all had attended it was planned for an aircraft every 5 mins.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27165 posts, RR: 60
Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 29986 times:

Dublin loses to Stansted as Ryanair seals deal in expansion plan

DUBLIN has lost out to Stansted as Ryanair has selected the London hub for a surge in passenger growth.

The airline said it had secured a 10-year deal at Stansted to double the amount of its passengers travelling through the airport in return for lower costs and more efficient facilities.

The agreement will account for up to 25pc of Ryanair's five-year growth plans to 2019.

The airline's chief executive, Michael O'Leary, said the deal would see more than 7,000 new jobs created at Stansted over a five-year period.

http://www.independent.ie/business/i...al-in-expansion-plan-29584434.html

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Belfast hopes rise with Bombardier’s new jet

Bombardier’s new C-Series jet took to the skies yesterday on its maiden flight – bringing hope to its Belfast workforce about that the future
A loud cheer went up from a factory floor in east Belfast as the new CS100 aircraft, with wings designed and produced in the North, took off from Montréal-Mirabel International Airport for the first time.
Bombardier transmitted a live webcast of the first C-Series flight to screens throughout its facility in Belfast to share the “excitement” of the day with some of the team who had helped make it possible.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/s...ith-bombardier-s-new-jet-1.1529951

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 10):
They have also increased the Business Class fares - €899 to JFK, then €999 to BOS, €1099 to MCO and ORD and I won't even mention the scandalous amount to SFO. They obviously think the market can handle it.

Well EUR899 for J Class is pretty cheap compared to others. I think for what you get the fare is still good value for money.


User currently offlinedstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 29977 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 12):
The airline said it had secured a 10-year deal at Stansted to double the amount of its passengers travelling through the airport in return for lower costs and more efficient facilities.

Mmm STN is fairly stretched at present so that will be interesting.


User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4203 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 29973 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 12):
Dublin loses to Stansted as Ryanair seals deal in expansion plan

Typical of the Indo to pitch it as an "either / or" situation.

As they go on to mention, this accounts for just a part of FR's projected growth - ie, Ryanair has additional growth opportunities, which could go to anywhere.

Unless FR can prove DUB and STN were pitched together, the indo spin is nonsense. If FR want to grow in Dublin - they will. Everyone else is, and if they want left behind, as they indeed were when EI became the "low fares, way better" carrier, and stole the march from FR by opening a slew of new european routes, then so be it.



Flown EI,FR,RE,EIR,VE,SI,TLA,BA,BE,BD,VX,MON,AF,YS,WX,KL,SK,LH,OK,OS,LX,IB,LTU,HLX,4U,SU,CO,DL,UA,AC,PR,MH,SQ,QF, EY, EK
User currently offlinedstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 29952 times:

Galway Airport


A city commuter park-and-ride service at Galway Airport has been scrapped after four months.
The park-and-ride facility was attracting fewer than 100 commuters a day.


User currently offlineEIDL From Ireland, joined Apr 2012, 465 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 29716 times:

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 11):
However I did expect a bit more in terms of entertainment/stalls/food outlets. I was thinking along the lines of the Tall Ships festival....now perhaps it was the time of year. I was on the SOuth Quays...I assume the North were the same?

There was a run of about 6 food stalls along the canal at the Beckett bridge on the northside, as well as toilets.


User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3922 posts, RR: 9
Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 29674 times:

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 13):

I believe STN is far down from peak a few years back, FR and EZY have reduced capacity quite a bit?



Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently offlinegreenjet From Ireland, joined Aug 2001, 959 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 29445 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 17):
I believe STN is far down from peak a few years back, FR and EZY have reduced capacity quite a bit?

Yes - according to the CAA, STN has declined each year from its peak of 23,759,000 terminal pax in 2007 to 17,465,000 in 2012.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27165 posts, RR: 60
Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 29334 times:

Rumours of some changes at FR !

Ryanair aims to become more user-friendly with a simpler website and co-operation with travel agents, in a cultural revolution for the airline that pioneered low-cost travel with minimal customer service.
The airline plans to announce a website revamp at its AGM in Dublin on Friday, chief executive Michael O’Leary said.

The company may also add a handful of longer-distance routes including Israel and is open to co-operation with long-haul carriers, he said.

He made his comments at the World Low Cost Airlines Congress yesterday at London Heathrow Airport.
Michael O’Leary said he is also prepared to sell tickets via travel agents rather than solely through Ryanair’s own mechanisms, targeting one area where rival EasyJet has made the running by linking with corporate buyers to add business fliers.

http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2013/0918/474932-ryanair-aims/


User currently offlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6348 posts, RR: 14
Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 29325 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 19):
Rumours of some changes at FR !

They've just started advertising on the television again, it's probably a reaction to the poor summer but still evidence of the need to change their approach slightly.

Interesting to see a new website, the current one is such a mess that it's a miracle they manage to be as successful as they are with it!


User currently offlineVFRonTop From Ireland, joined Oct 2012, 41 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 29198 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 20):
Interesting to see a new website, the current one is such a mess that it's a miracle they manage to be as successful as they are with it!

The current website is one of the most aggravating experiences I have had with an airline, so unfriendly to use both booking and checking in. Happy to hear they are considering changes. Also happy to hear FR understand the need for change, there is plenty of potential in the airline and I'll be watching their development with a keen eye.

MOL seems to have finally let go of his Aer Lingus aspirations and looking for long haul capacity in other places (any guesses as to which long haul operator as the need/fortitude to start negotiations with MOL?)


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27165 posts, RR: 60
Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 29182 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 20):
Interesting to see a new website, the current one is such a mess that it's a miracle they manage to be as successful as they are with it!

Indeed the hassle of just booking is a pain. Too many options selling everything under the sun and then again when you go back in to print off your BP. Its all very time consuming. With Winter approaching and other LCC selling Via the travel trade its in FRs interests to try to get more business. Its worked very well for EI !


User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3922 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 29092 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 19):
He made his comments at the World Low Cost Airlines Congress yesterday at London Heathrow Airport.
Michael O’Leary said he is also prepared to sell tickets via travel agents rather than solely through Ryanair’s own mechanisms, targeting one area where rival EasyJet has made the running by linking with corporate buyers to add business fliers.

Ironic that the world Low Cost Airlines Congress is at LHR. I would have thought an empty pier at STN would have been more appropriate.
I believe FR still use Navitaire Openskies which does offer GDS functionality. Allowing travel agency bookings is probably fairly cheap and easy for FR. A new website is sorely needed, although many 'new' websites are less functional and more difficult to use than before, so we'll see what happens. A mobile optimised site would be good. A free app even better.



Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12526 posts, RR: 35
Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 28752 times:

I saw a thread running at the moment about a EuroAtlantic 777 operating for EI; is this true and if so, what happened to require this?

User currently offlineeirbus06 From Ireland, joined Apr 2006, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 28908 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 24):
I saw a thread running at the moment about a EuroAtlantic 777 operating for EI; is this true and if so, what happened to require this?

Arrived at Dublin Airport as "Shamrock 1139" to operate the 139 to Boston later in the evening. Due back from boston this morning (19/09)

Shamrock 1139


User currently offlineJamie2k9 From Ireland, joined Jan 2012, 208 posts, RR: 2
Reply 26, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 28823 times:

There was a fire with the fuel system in BOS the other day and the BOS-DUB had to divert en route for fuel, expect its more a case of trying to recover schedules as fast as possible.

User currently offlinedstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 27, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 28496 times:

According to RTE, Michael O'Leary said that FR will remove the ''recaptcha'' security feature from its website from November for individual passengers. Doubtless any period of mourning will be very short and poorly attended.

User currently offlinep201055r From Ireland, joined Sep 2011, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 28305 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 19):
http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2013/0918/474932-ryanair-aims/

also see

http://www.independent.ie/business/i...ng-him-188-to-switch-29592819.html

and

http://www.independent.ie/business/o...-to-soften-its-image-29592888.html


Do tell me this is only a temporary softening in approach, akin to an Autumnal chill and that it'll be back to normal again soon?  Wow!

One might wistfully remark that some of the perceived "macho" image of the airline is a direct consequence of its aggressive marketing and the remarks of its chief executive, all-to-often perceived as smarmy, about passengers' rights, crews, airports and Governments among other things.


User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3922 posts, RR: 9
Reply 29, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 28303 times:

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 27):

How is the website going to know if you are an "individual" passenger or not. In any case it really doesn't do much, FR fares are still very visible on skyscanner. Anyway, if FR are so confident on their low fares they should have no problem with price comparison websites.



Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently onlineRandWKOP From Ireland, joined May 2012, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 28025 times:

Sorry, I managed to mess up the link in my last post. The Times link does not want to paste.

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27165 posts, RR: 60
Reply 31, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 27676 times:

Second time this year !

Delays after Aer Lingus reservation system fails

AER Lingus passengers endured delays earlier today after the airline's reservations system failed.

"Aer Lingus has confirmed that its reservations system went down today at 1pm for approximately one hour," the airline said in a statement.

"IT worked to resolve the issue.

"During the outage check-in was suspended, while boarding was processed on a manual basis to continue the operation and depart flights that had already been checked in.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news...rvation-system-fails-29596036.html


User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19239 posts, RR: 52
Reply 32, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 27660 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 23):
Ironic that the world Low Cost Airlines Congress is at LHR.

I used to work for an international aviation events company. Early on, I asked the managing partner: as this event is mainly attended by LCCs, why is it held in a 5* location? His response was simple: because they expect and want it, and if it were cheap-and-cheerful they wouldn't attend.



"Everyone writing for the Telegraph knows that the way to grab eyeballs is with Ryanair and/or sex."
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27165 posts, RR: 60
Reply 33, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 27414 times:

Aer Lingus supporting the cause !

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/eidub3_zps5fc4ba7c.jpg


User currently offlineThrottleHold From South Africa, joined Jul 2006, 659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 34, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 27287 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 33):
Aer Lingus supporting the cause

Used as ammo by the Shannon whingers in 3,...2,...1,....


User currently offlineevomutant From United Kingdom, joined May 2006, 505 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 27187 times:

EI are carpet bombing local radio in Birmingham at the moment, and I assume other areas they serve in the UK.

If you listen for an hour, you hear the EI ad at least 3 or 4 times at the moment.

Whether it works I guess we will see, but nice to see them making a big push.


User currently offlinebx737 From Ireland, joined Sep 2001, 684 posts, RR: 3
Reply 36, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 26852 times:

Apparently the proposed sale of Cityjet to Intro Aviation have stalled and Air France has withdrawn the exclusivity from Intro. Could this mean that Cityjet might yet be taken over by Air Contractors?

http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/new...-intro-aviation-over-cityjet-stall


User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 26741 times:

I see an FR flight from FAO doing circles over ORK at the moment, looks like the dreaded ORK fog strikes again.

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27165 posts, RR: 60
Reply 38, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 26326 times:

Positive news from BA on the BHD route.

We'll maintain Belfast to London route, says British Airways chief

INTERNATIONAL Airlines Group chief executive Willie Walsh has reiterated the company's commitment to the Belfast City Airport to London Heathrow route.

Mr Walsh said its airline British Airways has outperformed expectations and stood up to competition from Aer Lingus on the shuttle service since its takeover of BMI last year.

"Belfast is a very important market for us, it's doing very well," he said. "We're facing more competition out of City Airport (George Best Belfast City Airport) now that Aer Lingus have moved in there, but we're delighted to be back in the market in the same way as we're delighted to be back in the Dublin market."

Aer Lingus moved its Belfast base from Belfast International in autumn 2012, going head-to-head with British Airways on the Heathrow route.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/bu...ritish-airways-chief-29603680.html


User currently offlineshamrock321 From Ireland, joined May 2008, 1604 posts, RR: 1
Reply 39, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 26256 times:

Both BHD and DUB are operating very well for BA, they have just trained up quite a few new ticket agents for DUB so they've no p,an to go anywhere!

User currently onlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 26207 times:

Quoting shamrock321 (Reply 39):
Both BHD and DUB are operating very well for BA

When I was at DUB last Sunday I noticed two BA arrivals scheduled within 10 minutes of each other. I spotted both aircraft as A319s. What is the rationale behind this?



Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27165 posts, RR: 60
Reply 41, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 26152 times:

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 40):
When I was at DUB last Sunday I noticed two BA arrivals scheduled within 10 minutes of each other. I spotted both aircraft as A319s. What is the rationale behind this?

Was it the 828 and 834 ? They do quite well.


User currently onlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 26130 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 41):

Yes it was. It's great they're doing well but why have two A319s going 15 minutes apart when you could send one A321 or even a 767-300 (though this could be a bit of a long shot)!? Maybe for "slot-warming" reasons...



Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1444 posts, RR: 2
Reply 43, posted (1 year 1 month 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 26101 times:

I travel on the DUB-LHR a few times a week. I must admit the 828/834 combo is an anomaly. In my experience the first one is almost always full or close to yet the latter is wide open. I'm guessing it is some sort of slot holding. Personally I'd love to see the 767 on the route and don't think its impossible but I would say the most like scenario will be when the flights move following the closure of t1 next year when perhaps an A321 will be put on the route and the slot lost to a B787!


My views are my own and do not reflect any other person or organisation.
User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12526 posts, RR: 35
Reply 44, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 25827 times:

German Wings to serve NOC from CGN next Summer, once a week (Sat).

User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4203 posts, RR: 12
Reply 45, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 25568 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 44):
German Wings to serve NOC from CGN next Summer, once a week (Sat).

It is to be assumed that's a replacement for the DUS-NOC LH service?



Flown EI,FR,RE,EIR,VE,SI,TLA,BA,BE,BD,VX,MON,AF,YS,WX,KL,SK,LH,OK,OS,LX,IB,LTU,HLX,4U,SU,CO,DL,UA,AC,PR,MH,SQ,QF, EY, EK
User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7221 posts, RR: 57
Reply 46, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 25530 times:

Is the BA punctuality to Ireland still poor?


The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently onlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 25533 times:

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 45):

I never realised EW was ending DUS-NOC...maybe it would have worked if they routed it to SNN instead   

On a serious note though, 4U are advertising the Cliffs of Moher, the Burren, Aran Islands and Galway city on their website - NOC must have offered them a pretty sweet deal!

[Edited 2013-09-25 02:14:03]


Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27165 posts, RR: 60
Reply 48, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 25516 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 44):
German Wings to serve NOC from CGN next Summer, once a week (Sat).
Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 45):
It is to be assumed that's a replacement for the DUS-NOC LH service?

Well DUS and CGN are both not far apart. 40KM so they can still attract the same passengers. NOC is still very popular with the Germans. I presume they can offer more seats at a lower cost.


User currently offlineshamrock321 From Ireland, joined May 2008, 1604 posts, RR: 1
Reply 49, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 25515 times:

BA did have some issues a few months back with numerous cancelations, but I've not heard of anything other than the typical LHR related delays recently.

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27165 posts, RR: 60
Reply 50, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 25497 times:

Delays at DUB and LON Airports this morning due to fog. 30-60 mins.

User currently offlineshamrock604 From Ireland, joined Sep 2007, 4203 posts, RR: 12
Reply 51, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 25507 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 48):
Well DUS and CGN are both not far apart. 40KM so they can still attract the same passengers. NOC is still very popular with the Germans. I presume they can offer more seats at a lower cost.

And of course EW will become Germanwings now anyway, with all non hub services rebranded as "Germanwings", so even had DUS continued to be served, it would have been as 4U.

Perhaps this will be upgauged to an A319, which would arguably be a more appropriate cost equation for the market if they can get the numbers (with healthy increases in loads the last summer indicating that they can indeed get the numbers).



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User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 52, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 25640 times:

Quoting shamrock604 (Reply 45):
It is to be assumed that's a replacement for the DUS-NOC LH service?

Germanwings would be better for carrying bicycles.
Cycling is one area where we should be looking to for tourism growth potential, but a lot of co councillors are still living in the past days of coach loads of American tourists in green trousers touring around.
Apart from the small great western greenway, we have very poor cycling infrastructure here in Ireland and only those who are brave enough to share the narrow roads with speeding traffic come here.
We have huge cycling potential but we are years behind eg the UK, Germany, in providing a network of traffic free paths where a family could enjoy a cycling based holiday.


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12526 posts, RR: 35
Reply 53, posted (1 year 1 month 5 days ago) and read 25425 times:

Ryanair is said to be "positive" toward the 737 MAX, according to the airline's finance director, Howard Millar. An internal working party has been set up, to report by end of October, so we should expect an order for 200 by year end.

http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1380117532.html

[Edited 2013-09-25 09:44:59]

User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4646 posts, RR: 23
Reply 54, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 25362 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 46):
Is the BA punctuality to Ireland still poor?

Not answering the question, but their loads in Club Europe are looking healthy. I am on BA829 on Tuesday 22/10 and they've added another row of Club since there were only 3 seats free - 5 rows now. This is on a 1600 departure on a Tuesday which is interesting! I'd love to know how they are doing really, as it's not looking bad, that's for sure! The BA832, a 0655 departure on 5/11 has just two taken at this point.

Quite looking forward to well over 40,000 Avios from my trip home to Australia to visit the family! Apparently an EI redemption is 25,000 each way in Business Class so I know what I'll be using mine for since a visit to see friends in the USA is on the cards for 2014.



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlinebx737 From Ireland, joined Sep 2001, 684 posts, RR: 3
Reply 55, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 25103 times:

I see Flybe are starting a new service between Birmingham and Knock in October

http://www.flybe.com/corporate/media/news/1309/20.htm


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27165 posts, RR: 60
Reply 56, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 24881 times:

Quoting bx737 (Reply 55):
I see Flybe are starting a new service between Birmingham and Knock in October

Good news for NOC well until BE decide what they are going to do that is. They could do with a miracle.  

--

Ryanair submitted its appeal and arguements.

Ryanair claims key evidence 'kept secret' in Aer Lingus stake ruling

Ryanair has argued that key evidence used by the UK's Competition Commission to arrive at a decision to force the airline to reduce its stake in Aer Lingus from 29.8pc to 5pc was "kept secret" from the low cost airline.

http://www.independent.ie/business/i...-lingus-stake-ruling-29611507.html


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27165 posts, RR: 60
Reply 57, posted (1 year 1 month 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 24580 times:

My TR showing the BHD-LHR-ATH route. Again a solid product from BA with a pleasant experience at Belfast City Airport. No news on the new lounge upgrade yet. Hopefully it will be coming this Autum/Winter.

British Airways To Fly To Serve Today.Tomorrow(CE) (by OA260 Sep 26 2013 in Trip Reports)

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Hopefully it wont take that long !

Aer Lingus Says Ryanair Stake Exit May Take Until 2015

Aer Lingus CEO says bookings remain weak for industry; ‘entire sector going down at the moment,’ has ‘effect everywhere’ *Europe remains ‘weak,’ has evidence when talking to industry colleagues: CEO *‘picture is the same everywhere’: CEO *CEO says lowered Sept. 13 guidance put co. on ‘safe side’

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...take-exit-may-take-until-2015.html


User currently offlineJamie2k9 From Ireland, joined Jan 2012, 208 posts, RR: 2
Reply 58, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 24208 times:

Aer Lingus have added a "sort by" feature to there website for routes that have many freq per day example DUB-AMS route. I fail to see it being any real benefit. Anyone else think the same?

User currently offlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6348 posts, RR: 14
Reply 59, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 24190 times:

Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 58):

Aer Lingus have added a "sort by" feature to there website for routes that have many freq per day example DUB-AMS route. I fail to see it being any real benefit. Anyone else think the same?

Don't see any harm in adding it though. I'm sure there's a huge number of people who don't care what time the flight is and just want the cheapest, adding a "sort by feature" makes it easier than looking through a list of 19 DUB-LON flights.

At least it's not a CAPTCHA.  


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27165 posts, RR: 60
Reply 60, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 24089 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 59):
Don't see any harm in adding it though. I'm sure there's a huge number of people who don't care what time the flight is and just want the cheapest, adding a "sort by feature" makes it easier than looking through a list of 19 DUB-LON flights.

Its a handy function so can most certainly see the reason why they added it. Filtering by time/fare is a good idea. Not life changing by any means but still an enhancement.

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 59):
At least it's not a CAPTCHA.

Indeed. Cant wait to see that go off the FR site!


User currently offlineJamie2k9 From Ireland, joined Jan 2012, 208 posts, RR: 2
Reply 61, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 23821 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 60):
Indeed. Cant wait to see that go off the FR site!

only for single bookings, booking your family holiday won't avoid it.


User currently offlineSURFER From Ireland, joined May 2008, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 62, posted (1 year 1 month 23 hours ago) and read 23420 times:

Could be some delays in SNN tomorrow with the amount of sick heads after the Liam MCCarthy returns to Ennis tonight 
C'mon the banner!!!


User currently onlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 63, posted (1 year 1 month 20 hours ago) and read 23252 times:

Quoting SURFER (Reply 62):

Could be some delays in SNN tomorrow with the amount of sick heads after the Liam MCCarthy returns to Ennis tonight 

Indeed! The airport is well decked out in the saffron and blue. In days past the Clare teams would make their way to/from Croker for games on the EI scheduled SNN-DUB flights.



Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27165 posts, RR: 60
Reply 64, posted (1 year 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 23213 times:

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 63):
The airport is well decked out in the saffron and blue. In days past the Clare teams would make their way to/from Croker for games on the EI scheduled SNN-DUB flights.

Yes I remember being on one once. Flight was packed !  


User currently onlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 65, posted (1 year 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 23198 times:

Just heard a 772 fly over on approach to RWY06; fired up LiveATC and it appears to be a medical emergency with ambulance waiting. Aircraft is unmarked and originated at LHR.


Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlinedstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 66, posted (1 year 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 22474 times:

Return of an old problem.
SIPTU are to ballot EI members over the pension issue.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news...ngus-in-pensions-row-29626569.html

Travelled to and from MAN recently and loads were very low, indeed I cannot remember seeing such empty space in over twenty years or more.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27165 posts, RR: 60
Reply 67, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 22136 times:

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 66):
Return of an old problem.
SIPTU are to ballot EI members over the pension issue.

Yes saw that! Thought it had been too quiet lately  

On a more cheerful note as reported before a while back Luxair will recommence 4 weekly services from March 2014.
Will be great to see them back.

Flight details between Dublin and Luxembourg as from 30 March 2014:

Dublin Luxembourg: LG4886 Mo We Fr 13.20-16.20 LG4888 Su 19.40-22.40

Luxembourg Dublin: LG4885 Mo We Fr 11.30-12.45 LG4887 Su 17.50-19.05

http://i955.photobucket.com/albums/ae40/PhilipOA260/Luxair_DHC-8-400_LX-LGAFRA08082010_585bi_4878334509_zps3660f642.jpg


User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1853 posts, RR: 2
Reply 68, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 22011 times:
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Quoting dstc47 (Reply 66):
Return of an old problem.
SIPTU are to ballot EI members over the pension issue.
Quoting OA260 (Reply 67):
Yes saw that! Thought it had been too quiet lately

Seems like the pensions deal that was agreed upon by both EI and the unions is being held up by the Pensions Board/Authority. Apparently it sets a bad precedent in their eyes.
Not sure how any sort of industrial action will improve the deadlock however.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27165 posts, RR: 60
Reply 69, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 21751 times:

Sky's the limit for successful business in spite of some recent turbulence

Once a Royal Air Force training base during the First World War, Belfast International Airport is now the second largest airport on the island of Ireland.

It is now 15 years since easyJet started operating flights out of Belfast International Airport and the budget airline recently announced two new routes to the Channel Islands and south-west France next year – while dropping a service to Southend in Kent.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/bu...me-recent-turbulence-29626058.html

Hopefully they can do something to update and regenerate the airport. Currently its a bit of a dump compared to BHD. As per the comment from a reader under the article they need the rail access also.


User currently onlinerichcandy From UK - England, joined Aug 2001, 728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 70, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 21736 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 69):
while dropping a service to Southend in Kent.

Southend is in Essex not Kent.

(sorry just being picky)

Alex


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27165 posts, RR: 60
Reply 71, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 21735 times:

Quoting richcandy (Reply 70):
Southend is in Essex not Kent.

Indeed I noticed that too LOL...

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Ireland to take part in ATC strike on 10th October according to this article. Disruptions and cancellations a real possibility.

http://www.atceuc.org/upload/ATC-EUC...ments/387/notice-to-travellers.pdf


User currently offlineJambost From Ireland, joined Jun 2010, 263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 72, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 21495 times:

"It's expected that executives from new owners ADC & HAS Airports Worldwide will visit Northern Ireland in the coming weeks and months to talk to staff about their plans for the facility."

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/bu...nsion-set-to-takeoff-29626057.html

Hopefully some good news will prevail from this, perhaps an exterior makeover?
I am actually quite impressed with the refurbished interior although it was quiet. Shame about the closed spectators gallery I hope the new owners frown upon this.



1APR14 Ireland Direct, 3 A380-9LR,Equiped Irish Bar & Casino. All Y+ seating. Serving DUB-PER-SYD/MEL
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27165 posts, RR: 60
Reply 73, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 21250 times:

Quoting Jambost (Reply 72):
Shame about the closed spectators gallery I hope the new owners frown upon this.

That was one of the only good things about the place! I have been using BFS on and off since the latter end of the troubles and have seen a lot of changes. I feel that BFS has been degraded over the years and dare I say it was actually a nicer airport back in the late 90's except for the newish check in area. It could have been so much better and despite some refurbs it still feels like a yesterday airport.

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My latest trip report is up. Im happy to say it was with Swiss.  Swiss J Class+Zurich In The Snow+ZRH Spotting Trip (by OA260 Oct 3 2013 in Trip Reports)

I would love to see Swiss go double daily next year even if it was for March-October. Having a later flight back from ZRH-DUB would be great and suit more connecting passengers and weekend breakers alike. Hopefully with the arrival of the new aircraft we might see some movement on the DUB operations.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27165 posts, RR: 60
Reply 74, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 21141 times:

Link to article here :

Aer Lingus passenger traffic falls in September

The number of passengers flying with Aer Lingus fell by almost 3 per cent in September, as the airline’s short haul flights saw a fall-off in popularity.
Although traffic on Aer Lingus’s main long haul flights surged by more than 11 per cent and its regional service rose by 14 per cent compared to the same month in 2012, passenger figures for short haul flights on the mainline service were down by more than 6 per cent.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/s...affic-falls-in-september-1.1550231

As expected as Aer Lingus lowered their forecasts.

Also some more un welcome news is yet another threat of strike action by cabin crew over the new SNN services.

Aer Lingus cabin crew in strike ballot threat

Cabin crew at Aer Lingus have threatened to ballot for industrial action in a dispute over crewing of new transatlantic services from Shannon commencing in January.
Eighty-six Aer Lingus cabin crew based at Shannon face uncertainty over their jobs in a row over outsourcing of more frequent flights using smaller Boeing 757 aircraft.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/1003/478207-aer-lingus/

Hopefully another false alarm but it is not good for people wanting to book ahead of time and casts doubt on reliability of services if a strike goes ahead.


User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1853 posts, RR: 2
Reply 75, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 21012 times:
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Quoting OA260 (Reply 74):
Hopefully another false alarm but it is not good for people wanting to book ahead of time and casts doubt on reliability of services if a strike goes ahead.

Hopefully it get resolved but I doubt it. EI are refusing to have any discussion on the matter with cabin crew. EI are planning legal minimum crews on the B757s to keep costs down. This is a reduction in service onboard and could mean cancellations if cabin crew fall ill in the US. (Happens quite frequently) All US carriers use 6 crew on their B757 ops ex-Ireland. EI cabin crew wanted 5.

This matter comes to a head at the same time as EI refusing to hold any discussions with cabin crew on a range on (still) unresolved issues that the LRC recommended. EI are still not fully complying with the LRC judgment of 2011 and have actually reneged on some previously implemented recommendations over the course of the summer.

[Edited 2013-10-04 05:08:40]

User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12526 posts, RR: 35
Reply 76, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 20829 times:

Does anyone remember Irish Sea Airways? It was a very short lived helicopter (S-61) operation from Dublin Airport to Holyhead, in the mid 1980s. I've seen a photos of the DUB apron, said to be in 1985, but I always thought it was before that - maybe '83?

Can anyon confirm?


User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 77, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 20744 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 76):
Does anyone remember Irish Sea Airways? It was a very short lived helicopter (S-61) operation from Dublin Airport to Holyhead, in the mid 1980s. I've seen a photos of the DUB apron, said to be in 1985, but I always thought it was before that - maybe '83?

Can anyon confirm?

Do you mean Dublin City Helicopters?
http://www.irishairpics.com/photo/10...-Helicopters/?&sid=2414893513&sp=1

Never flew on them myself but knew a couple of people who used to work there. It didn't last very long though.


User currently offlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6348 posts, RR: 14
Reply 78, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 20687 times:

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 75):

While the other issues you mention paint a bleak picture of the way management have approached recent issues, this is an entirely separate dispute and should be viewed as such. Unfortunately the details are pretty sketchy so I appreciate it's difficult to make a fair judgement but so far I'm finding it very difficult to see why the union feels justified to ballot for industrial action.

Now there are obviously practicality issues and that's a fair point, 4 crew might be a bit of a stretch when providing 162 free meals along with a full business class service for 12 passengers up front. Having 5 crew would make things easier and service would (hopefully) run smoother but 4 cabin crew is well within the legal limit for a 174 seat 757 and I bet management need to keep costs as low as possible in Shannon to make things work so the decision is understandable on a commercial basis.

Management not entering discussions can be seen as hostile but at the same time I can see why they've refused, do they really want to be dragged into lengthy discussions every time a simple commercial decision is made? It's my understanding that this 757 deal provided more Aer Lingus jobs through the winter than previously at Shannon but management have shown that those jobs can quite easily go elsewhere.

So apart from the workload and management refusing to talk, there's not much for the union to fall back on, there's no safety issue and outsourcing was never the original plan as the jobs were offered up front from the start.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27165 posts, RR: 60
Reply 79, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 20597 times:

An update here :

Aer Lingus say 40 jobs announced earlier this year will not now go ahead

Aer Lingus has said that 40 new jobs announced last July by the airline will not now go ahead.
The company said that 40 more cabin crew based out of Shannon could face redeployment or redundancy.
The IMPACT trade union is to ballot cabin crew for industrial action in response to management's move to outsource staff on transatlantic services.
Last July, Aer Lingus announced it was almost doubling the frequency of transatlantic services from Shannon next year, but using a smaller Boeing 757 aircraft.

http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2013/1004/478267-aer-lingus-numbers/

It will be very interesting to see how SNN performs over the Winter period.


User currently offlinedstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 80, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 20567 times:

A small award for Aer Arann, from the European Regional Airlines association, just awarded.

"The BRONZE Winner: Aer Arann
“Aer Arann has achieved a remarkable “revival” through a new franchise agreement which has enabled it to attract new investors and raise additional capital,” notes the independent judging panel. “This is indicative of great confidence in the airline’s future and its management capabilities. Its campaign to pull traffic from UK airports to Dublin for US flights has been a clever move.”"

For the record, Binter Canarias got the gold and Bmi Regional got silver.


User currently onlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 81, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 20492 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 78):
I appreciate it's difficult to make a fair judgement but so far I'm finding it very difficult to see why the union feels justified to ballot for industrial action.

I agree. Incidentally, how many cabin crew are needed for the A330-200? Are there special arrangements made for Business Class? I.e. does it have its own exclusive crew member (or even two)?

Do we know anymore about the 757's hard product? Will Wi-Fi and AVOD be offered the same as the rest of the long haul fleet? Will seat pitch be the same? A random thought, but EI might update their A330 safety videos soon to maintain consistency with any 757 one they produce.

The current video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MNTcWT5yE2E



Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlineEirules From Ireland, joined Aug 2007, 802 posts, RR: 10
Reply 82, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 20386 times:

Does this mean that the 757 services from SNN won't happen? Or will they base a crew elsewhere, maybe in USA like the IAD base?


Next Flights: EI DUB-LHR A320, BA LHR-SFO B744, UA SFO-LAS A320, BA LAS-LHR B744, EI LHR-DUB A320
User currently offlineirish251 From Ireland, joined Nov 2004, 978 posts, RR: 4
Reply 83, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 20369 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 76):
Does anyone remember Irish Sea Airways? It was a very short lived helicopter (S-61) operation from Dublin Airport to Holyhead, in the mid 1980s. I've seen a photos of the DUB apron, said to be in 1985, but I always thought it was before that - maybe '83?

You should have looked in the obvious place!


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User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3922 posts, RR: 9
Reply 84, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 20379 times:

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 81):

Min crew on the A330 is 8, one for each exit. There are 2 crew up front and 6 looking after Y. Used to be 6+3, but that was reduced a few years back.

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 80):

Good to see RE being recognised. Their crews are really great, the rest I'm not so sure about. One hour delay for me last night on the 3729 MAN-ORK, which is better than the overnights or 3+hour delays we started out with. The -500s are still as uncomfortable as ever, with tight pitch and short seatbacks. Part of me hopes the rumors of the -500s leaving the fleet are true. Although cosmetically tatty and they suffer appalling reliability I like the 212As and even the -SLx series in terms of comfort.



Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently offlineaerdingus From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 2845 posts, RR: 16
Reply 85, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 20350 times:

I'm kind of shocked about the EI SNN news. I know someone who's left a job here, & won't exactly be able to waltz back in if the EI job isn't there....I applied for it meself...maybe a little blessing I didn't get it?


Cabin crew blog http://dolefuldolegirl.blogspot.ie/
User currently onlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 86, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 20258 times:

Quoting Eirules (Reply 82):
Does this mean that the 757 services from SNN won't happen? Or will they base a crew elsewhere, maybe in USA like the IAD base?

The 757 operation from SNN is happening alright. The aircraft are being leased from Air Contractors (ASL Aviation Ltd.), flown with EI pilots and up to very recently, crewed with EI cabin crew. The EI cabin crew union, IMPACT, is threatening industrial action now as they want the 757s to be staffed with five cabin crew as opposed to four. EI are not negotiating this and have now asked Air Contractors to supply the cabin crew. If this goes ahead then job losses at the SNN base are inevitable and the 40 new cabin crew jobs will be withdrawn.

Personally, I think the EI cabin crew have everything to lose in this situation; instead of jumping through hoops to secure job security and ensure that the extra 40 posts are added, they are pouting over this which may lead to the opposite.



Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6348 posts, RR: 14
Reply 87, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 20176 times:

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 81):
A random thought, but EI might update their A330 safety videos soon to maintain consistency with any 757 one they produce.

Aer Lingus announced last October that a company had been appointed to produce a new video. One was uploaded to the video site Vimeo earlier this year which stated it was 60% complete but it looked terrible, it had an Aer Lingus flight attendant who looked a bag of nerves, a weird CGI cabin and 6 "passengers" sitting behind her who looked like they didn't want to be there. The A330 graphic at the start and end of the video was good but you could clearly see an "Operated by Aer Arann" sticker next to the doors?!

It's been a year since the announcement so maybe some changes are being made.


User currently offlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6348 posts, RR: 14
Reply 88, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 19997 times:

Aer Lingus have a new fleet page, here's the 757 profile.

http://corporate.aerlingus.com/companyprofile/fleet/boeing757/

Unfortunately the detailed list of registrations and names given to individual aircraft seems to be gone. Was nice to keep track of the different saints names.


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4646 posts, RR: 23
Reply 89, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 19946 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 88):
Unfortunately the detailed list of registrations and names given to individual aircraft seems to be gone. Was nice to keep track of the different saints names.

That's a shame really - it was handy when adding flights into Flight Memory so I didn't have to pay attention to the name of the aircraft.

Quite looking forward to seeing the Boeing 757s!



I do quite enjoy a spot of flying - more so when it's not in Economy!
User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1853 posts, RR: 2
Reply 90, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 19808 times:
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Can't say I like the new fleet page, looks shiny but doesn't give the same info as before. And the names/reg's of the planes was handy as a reference.

A330 seat info says J class is 58", B757 info says its J Class is 60"......interesting


This is an interesting snippet in the "future orders" section---
"We have orders in place for Airbus A350 aircraft for our long haul network but do not expect to take delivery before 2016. As a result, we do not anticipate short term capital expenditure for new aircraft....."


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27165 posts, RR: 60
Reply 91, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 19804 times:

The page is a nice update but like others I would like to see the original info retained. Maybe EI can add this later.

User currently offlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6348 posts, RR: 14
Reply 92, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 19637 times:

Aer Lingus on board wifi finally begins tomorrow on transatlantic flights, they'd been stepping up testing over the past few weeks and it looks like they've sorted all the bugs. Hopefully there are no problems now that it will actually be paid for.

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 90):
This is an interesting snippet in the "future orders" section---
"We have orders in place for Airbus A350 aircraft for our long haul network but do not expect to take delivery before 2016. As a result, we do not anticipate short term capital expenditure for new aircraft....."

Just been copied and pasted from the last page unfortunately.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27165 posts, RR: 60
Reply 93, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 19626 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 92):
Aer Lingus on board wifi finally begins tomorrow on transatlantic flights,

Yes it has been reported by flyers on other forums that they have had it on their flights recently. It took a while but better to be safe than sorry. Its been ages since I first tested it on the DUB-AGP run. It was a decent speed and service though so Im sure it will be welcome especially in J cabin where its free.


User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1853 posts, RR: 2
Reply 94, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 19490 times:
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Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 92):
Just been copied and pasted from the last page unfortunately.

Didn't realise that....last time I looked at their Fleet Info page it still had A350 delivery in H1 2015, H2 2015 and H1 2016. Hadn't been updated with the 3 A330 orders converted to A350 deliveries from 2017.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27165 posts, RR: 60
Reply 95, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 19476 times:

There was a piece on the 6:1 News tonight on RTE.

http://www.rte.ie/news/player/2013/1...-wifi-to-transatlantic-passengers/


User currently offlineEIDL From Ireland, joined Apr 2012, 465 posts, RR: 0
Reply 96, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 19379 times:

Fleet page now acknowledges the RE ATRs, but claims they have 35 seats!

User currently offlineJamie2k9 From Ireland, joined Jan 2012, 208 posts, RR: 2
Reply 97, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 19393 times:

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 94):

It has being know for a long period of time that 2016 will be the first year for the A350 to arrive, EI have spoke about it in there 2012 results most recently.


User currently offlinecipango From Ireland, joined Jul 2009, 642 posts, RR: 0
Reply 98, posted (1 year 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 18001 times:

Was just thinking, what would the probability be that TK would begin services to ORK or SNN or even BFS/BHD?

User currently offlineEIBoston From Ireland, joined Sep 2006, 457 posts, RR: 1
Reply 99, posted (1 year 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 17768 times:

Anyone on here know what the seat config for the old EI 747-100's was like? I was looking at the You Tube video of EI-ASJ with Capt Aidan Quigley and it got me thinking. Thx.

User currently offlineneutral From Ireland, joined Nov 2007, 309 posts, RR: 0
Reply 100, posted (1 year 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 17658 times:

Quoting cipango (Reply 98):
Was just thinking, what would the probability be that TK would begin services to ORK or SNN or even BFS/BHD?

They have increased Dublin to 10 weekly so don't see any other service from Ireland in the short term.


User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1444 posts, RR: 2
Reply 101, posted (1 year 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 17382 times:

Quoting EIBoston (Reply 99):

EI-BED had 12 Executive seats on the upper deck and all Y on the main. Alas I can't remember much of ASJ and ASI. I vaguely remember EXEC being upper deck and in the forward section on the main deck with Y class being from doors 1 to the rear.

I do however have very vivid memories of when EI was still a 3 class operation with 12 F seats in the nose and business class on the upper deck and between doors 1 and 2!

Sorry but I can't remember much else, I was way too young. If I'm talking to my folks who worked on them in the next few days I'll see how far I can throw their memories back!



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27165 posts, RR: 60
Reply 102, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 17362 times:

Two quite pleasant flights with BE . Nice crews and on time. Lounge at BHD a bit tired and could do with a deep clean. I will miss the E Jet BHD-LGW service when it goes in March. When things go to plan they are a pretty decent set up. They must be feeling the pinch from EI though. Still this afternoons flight was packed to the rafters!

A few pics I took.


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Quoting cipango (Reply 98):
Was just thinking, what would the probability be that TK would begin services to ORK or SNN or even BFS/BHD?

I cant see TK expanding other than DUB and thats been done already. I can see them bringing in wide bodies a few times a week during peak periods. TK has been doing a lot of advertising here lately both North and South and meeting and engaging with the travel trade.

Quoting EIBoston (Reply 99):
Anyone on here know what the seat config for the old EI 747-100's was like? I was looking at the You Tube video of EI-ASJ with Capt Aidan Quigley and it got me thinking. Thx.

It would be nice to see an original seat map. Did they publish those in the timetables back then? Maybe someone has one they could scan.


User currently offlineEIBoston From Ireland, joined Sep 2006, 457 posts, RR: 1
Reply 103, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 17326 times:

Quoting tonystan (Reply 101):
EI-BED had 12 Executive seats on the upper deck and all Y on the main. Alas I can't remember much of ASJ and ASI. I vaguely remember EXEC being upper deck and in the forward section on the main deck with Y class being from doors 1 to the rear.

I do however have very vivid memories of when EI was still a 3 class operation with 12 F seats in the nose and business class on the upper deck and between doors 1 and 2!

Sorry but I can't remember much else, I was way too young. If I'm talking to my folks who worked on them in the next few days I'll see how far I can throw their memories back!

Thanks tonystan, appreciate that. I remember my very first flight was on one of EI 747's to Boston. I ended up in the first seat behind the cockpit on the upper deck. Don't remember how I ended up there but it was a very comfortable and quite trip.


User currently onlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 104, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 17250 times:

Cardiff Airport had to close for a time today after an RE AT4 burst a tyre on landing. Flight involved was RE3296 from DUB, operated by EI-CBK.

http://www.thejournal.ie/tyre-bursts...flight-in-cardiff-1125049-Oct2013/



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User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12526 posts, RR: 35
Reply 105, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 17176 times:

Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 97):
It has being know for a long period of time that 2016 will be the first year for the A350 to arrive,

This is the first I've heard of that - and quite disappointed too! I had been going by Jethros listing, which still shows 2015.

Quoting EIBoston (Reply 99):
Anyone on here know what the seat config for the old EI 747-100's was like? I was looking at the You Tube video of EI-ASJ with Capt Aidan Quigley and it got me thinking. Thx.

As reported above, Big 'ED had a very small J section upstairs; the total seating number was 468. I had the pleasure of flying on it in about July '89 and was in the Y section in the forward economy section. It was also my first jump seat landing, back in SNN, coming in on 06; Donie Hannigan was the captain.

Quoting EIBoston (Reply 103):
EI-BED had 12 Executive seats on the upper deck and all Y on the main. Alas I can't remember much of ASJ and ASI. I vaguely remember EXEC being upper deck and in the forward section on the main deck with Y class being from doors 1 to the rear.I do however have very vivid memories of when EI was still a 3 class operation with 12 F seats in the nose and business class on the upper deck and between doors 1 and 2!

They changed quite a bit; I'm not even sure if there were three years in a row when they were the same, due to new seats in J in particular. At one stage, they had about 404, which was 337 in Y, 16 in F and the balance - about 50 - in Business Class. I do recall, however, that on some of the flights, the used the J cabin, or part of it, for Y class, so if you were canny, you could get to the airport first and get the J class seats! That was in 1990.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27165 posts, RR: 60
Reply 106, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 16949 times:

Aer Lingus staff may lose up to 25% of expected pension benefits

Aer Lingus staff may lose up to a quarter of their expected pension benefits due to a deficit in their pension fund, according to the trustees of the fund.

In a statement to the Stock Exchange, Aer Lingus said that at a meeting with management and unions earlier this week, the trustee had estimated the loss in benefits at between 11% and 25%.

However, the airline today ruled out any increase in the one-off €140 million sum which it has already agreed to contribute to underpin the restructuring of the pension scheme.

http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2013/1010/479638-aer-lingus-pension/

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Tribunal to hear Ryanair’s challenge to Aer Lingus ruling in February

Ryanair’s appeal against the UK Competition Commission (UKCC) ruling requiring it to cut its stake in Aer Lingus to 5 per cent from 29.8 per cent will go ahead in February.

In August, the commission ordered the airline to cut the stake in its rival following an 11-month investigation into its impact on competition between the two on routes between Britain and Ireland.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/s...ingus-ruling-in-february-1.1558050

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Trainee cabin crew jettisoned in Aer Lingus dispute

Up to 30 trainee cabin crew were yesterday told by Aer Lingus their training was being stopped and to hand back their uniforms because the airline has had to use a contractor to crew its transatlantic services.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland...-in-aer-lingus-dispute-245680.html

Not a nice thing for the newbies hopefully they can find places with other airlines. Thats the last thing you expect when you are accepted and preparing for training and passing the course etc...


User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3922 posts, RR: 9
Reply 107, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 16930 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 106):
Not a nice thing for the newbies hopefully they can find places with other airlines. Thats the last thing you expect when you are accepted and preparing for training and passing the course etc...

Not a nice thing at all, although I hope they would have first refusal on jobs with ACL, they are already partly trained. I really feel for these people. Especially if they have given up jobs at other employers or airlines. Amazing the number of crew at ORK base who have worked for BA, EK, etc A surprising number or RE crew at ORK are ex EK and BA. Fantastic bunch they are, too.



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User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4646 posts, RR: 23
Reply 108, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 16910 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 107):
Not a nice thing at all, although I hope they would have first refusal on jobs with ACL, they are already partly trained.

Cross fingers! That is pretty awful for the employees, but at the end of the day if EI think 4 crew can do the job, then why not really.



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User currently offlineaerdingus From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 2845 posts, RR: 16
Reply 109, posted (1 year 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 16749 times:

Quoting BrianDromey (Reply 107):
Especially if they have given up jobs at other employers or airlines.

I know someone who has & won't exactly be able to walk back in to her old airline...

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 108):
but at the end of the day if EI think 4 crew can do the job, then why not really.

The 757s have 177 seats. You need one cabin crew member per 50 pax so it is doable. FR have up to 189 pax & do fine with 4 cc. Ok I know the EI flights are longer but the flows of service on EI t/a & at FR are very different. . Average flight time between SNN/DUB - YYZ, around 6hrs? And a layover too? Doesn't sound that bad unless someone wants to correct me. I've never flown EI t/a but is there a good opportunity for all cc to rest & have a break? If not then I agree that an extra cc or 2 would come in handy.



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User currently offlinePhen From Ireland, joined Oct 2007, 317 posts, RR: 0
Reply 110, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 16634 times:

Quoting aerdingus (Reply 109):
I've never flown EI t/a but is there a good opportunity for all cc to rest & have a break?

Going by my experience with EI on transatlantic they will have ample time to rest. Cabin crew usually provide a quick bar service after takeoff, then serve dinner/duty free and there are a good couple of hours of inactivity before a light snack is served before landing. In the case of eastbound flights this is just a tub of orange juice which takes just a few minutes to distribute. I couldn't imagine it being difficult for 4 crew to serve the cabin between them on an east coast TA flight from SNN.


User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1444 posts, RR: 2
Reply 111, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 16565 times:

From a customer service perspective 4 crew will be a disaster. 2 crew will have to remain in Business to deliver the service there meaning just 2 crew to deal with 165 passengers. If each crew member who ends on average 3 minutes per row serving drinks on a bar round that's roughly 40 odd minutes to complete the bar round. Then the crew need to load meals from ovens to trolleys. EI H&S policy requires each trolley to be manoeuvred by 2 crew. Meal trolleys typically take 39 meals (assuming EI still use the 2/3 size trays) meaning the service will be dragged out well into the flight. Lousy if you wish to eat and get rested quickly!!!!!

Then there is the risk of a crew member going sick. I'm not sure of the minimum legal requirements of a B757 but assuming it can be crewed by 3 that will mean an immediate offload of full fare passengers. If 4 is the legal minimum at present then it means a cancellation of the flight full stop!!!!!!!

Personally I feel EI are taking a gamble here and what a shame too as this is a niche service which they should really be promoting positively and not have it mired by outsourcing!!!!



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27165 posts, RR: 60
Reply 112, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 16551 times:

Quoting Phen (Reply 110):
I couldn't imagine it being difficult for 4 crew to serve the cabin between them on an east coast TA flight from SNN.

I think because of Irelands proximity to the USA and shorter flying time EI think they can do it. I guess the proof will be in the pudding. They need to keep costs as low as possible to make the routes viable whilst maintain a decent product.

On a more positive note! Sky Breaking news is Ireland to exit bailout on December 15th   Hopefully going forward the economy will continue to improve and with that travel both outbound and inbound for business and leisure but with drops in emigration that we have come to expect.


User currently onlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 113, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 16521 times:

Quoting tonystan (Reply 111):
2 crew will have to remain in Business

There are just three rows of Business though (12 seats) so maybe one crew member would be enough?



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User currently offlineJamie2k9 From Ireland, joined Jan 2012, 208 posts, RR: 2
Reply 114, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 16502 times:

Quoting tonystan (Reply 111):

As I have said elsewhere the crew on the 757 will have to deal with 3 extra passengers each compared to 8 crew on the A330-300. If you want more crew on the 757 then the same should happen on the 330 fleet to keep the same level of service.

Until EI stop 15-20% average month on month/year on year growth in revenue per passenger they have nothing to worry about. So far nobody is able to justify the fifth crew member on the 757 flights. It's currently all "if, and, but" crap. Come up with something real to justify extra crew.

2 crew to serve at max of 12 passengers in Business and most of the time it won't be full. If 2 is needed on the B757 then 4 crew should be doing the same on the A330 while the other 4 dealing with 300 in Y.

If a fifth crew member is added, the crew on the 757 should be taking pay cuts as there fellow employees are working much harder on the 330 flights for the same pay.

[Edited 2013-10-12 13:58:18]

User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1444 posts, RR: 2
Reply 115, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 16428 times:

Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 114):

What is the minimum crew requirement down route should there be an illness????



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User currently offlineJamie2k9 From Ireland, joined Jan 2012, 208 posts, RR: 2
Reply 116, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 16421 times:

Quoting tonystan (Reply 115):

This could happen a handful of times per year and once again its another "if" crew become ill, doesn't justify the extra cost. This will either cancel the flight of offload a select amount of passengers, 150 could operate and flights won't be full everyday of the week.

If one of the pilots become ill does this justify a third pilot to be on every flight.

Are the A330 allowed to operate with 7 crew if one becomes ill?

[Edited 2013-10-12 15:11:21]

User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1853 posts, RR: 2
Reply 117, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 16253 times:
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Quoting tonystan (Reply 111):
2 crew will have to remain in Business to deliver the service there meaning just 2 crew to deal with 165 passengers.
Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 113):
There are just three rows of Business though (12 seats) so maybe one crew member would be enough?

UA and DL have 2 crew specifically for their 12 J seats. 1 works in the galley while the other serves the pax. I believe AA have 16 on their B757, I'm not sure what they do.

Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 114):
2 crew to serve at max of 12 passengers in Business and most of the time it won't be full. If 2 is needed on the B757 then 4 crew should be doing the same on the A330 while the other 4 dealing with 300 in Y

Currently EI have 2 crew in J and its strained, they have a crew member from Y to assist at busy periods (which then slows the service in Y) If EI want to improve their J class service in the next 12-18 months then I can't see it being possible with only 2 in J class on A330.

Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 116):
Are the A330 allowed to operate with 7 crew if one becomes ill?

EI A330's can return to base with 7 crew as 7 can still cover up to 350 pax.

Personally I want the service over and down with as quick as possible. I don't want carts blocking the aisles for 4-5 hours of my 7 hour flight. I would be interested in what Icelandair do. They have 5 crew on their B757's. This was the compromise the union were looking for, they realised that 6 was a silly number to have on an EI B757.


My issue's with the 4 versus 5 argument:
-How financially viable is this service if a 5th crew member makes it unviable?...or are EI lying to the public?
-How likely are EI to poach high earning J class pax if they are offering a lower level of service than UA/AA/DL?


User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1444 posts, RR: 2
Reply 118, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 16212 times:

Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 116):

From my own experience it seems to me that cabin crew are more likely to become ill down route than flight deck. If the 757 can legally drop down to 3 crew then ok but if not they really are cutting it fine with just 4 crew. You need to remember that they can't just offload a certain amount of passengers to satisfy the 50:1 ratio, they also need to satisfy door coverage, medical action plan procedures, fire action plan procedures and cabin viewing requirements.

I read last night the letter written by EI management to its cabin crew and I must admit I was a little appalled at the wording. Guilt trips blaming them and their union for forcing jobs to be lost in EI to outsourcing etc. Seemed a bit desperate especially considering no one is forcing them to do anything.

At the end of the day customer service will suffer and then the big elephant in the room.....the out sourced crew are not representing Aer Lingus!!!!

[Edited 2013-10-13 04:07:05]


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User currently offlineJamie2k9 From Ireland, joined Jan 2012, 208 posts, RR: 2
Reply 119, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 16076 times:

Do EI need to improve their business class service from Shannon, its Shannon not Dublin where the high yielding passengers. All EI have in SNN is UA to EWR year round. SNN market is largely lleisure market while very little Business class passengers.

DUB-YYZ is purely loco from DUB and I don't have facts but if more crew were added it could easily make the route unviable.

Quoting tonystan (Reply 118):
At the end of the day customer service will suffer and then the big elephant in the room.....the out sourced crew are not representing Aer Lingus!!!!

Until you fly Business Class on the B757 you can't comment on that. On average you can expect 8 or 9 passengers on most flights and I don't see why 2 crew would be needed to cater for the whole time. To start off yes but one crew could easily take over and leave 3 in Y.


User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1444 posts, RR: 2
Reply 120, posted (1 year 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 15870 times:

Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 119):

The problem here is airlines can't make business decisions based on an assumption that the flight may not be full. If that is the case then you place a cap on the number of seats that can be sold on any one flight. The planning must include the situation (and obvious best possible situation for revenue) where the flight is full after all that is the goal. What if there is 12 passengers in business? What if more people become inclined to use their points to upgrade etc etc etc.

I admit I know nothing about the B757, my closest knowledge to that is a 767 but I have worked on a319/320s with 12 business class seats offering both a full business or first service on medium haul routes and you absolutely need those 2 crew members. Admittedly you can wind that down towards the end of the service when fewer trays are out and people are finishing up but knowing the EI business service from the odd flight over the last few years it is still a rather labour intensive service.

If EI do decide to go down the path of "simplifying" the service for the B757 well that's up to them but it would be a crying shame from a consistency and marketing perspective. It will clearly set the new routes out as an "inferior" service!

[Edited 2013-10-13 09:08:25]


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User currently onlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 121, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 15805 times:

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 117):
UA and DL have 2 crew specifically for their 12 J seats.

UA and DL have 16 seats in BusinessFirst and BusinessElite on their longhaul 757s.

Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 119):
On average you can expect 8 or 9 passengers on most flights

Where did you get these figures from?



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User currently offlineJamie2k9 From Ireland, joined Jan 2012, 208 posts, RR: 2
Reply 122, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 15641 times:

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 121):

Do you honestly believe that all 12 Business seats from SNN will be filled every day of the week on the B757. Y will nearly always be sold out and but J no as much. Just checked dates a month form now on a SNN-BOS flight and outbound no J booked and only 1 inbound. Same for JFK 2 out and 3 back full. There is no way they will get many more bookings to fill out a cabin on the A330 or even 12 on the 757. It's just being realistic and you would be a fool to believe that they will be sold out.

[Edited 2013-10-13 12:56:33]

User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1444 posts, RR: 2
Reply 123, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 15627 times:

Iv also just been told that EI have launched a new onboard service in business class which requires plating up the hot meals before delivery to the seat. This in itself is time consuming compared to the previous way it was done and will definitely require so,e sort of dedicated galley operator! Especially in the pokey galleys of a B757!


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User currently onlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 124, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 15590 times:

Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 122):
Do you honestly believe that all 12 Business seats from SNN will be filled every day of the week on the B757.

Absolutely not. I have, however seen EI flights go with near-100% loads in Business Class this summer as well as days when the J class load was nothing to write home about. EI would have configured the 757s in all-Y if they didn't have any J demand from SNN.



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User currently offlineSURFER From Ireland, joined May 2008, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 125, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 15114 times:

Good news from UA for SNN for next year!

http://www.shannonairport.ie/gns/abo...ive_month_of_passenger_growth.aspx


User currently offlineEIBoston From Ireland, joined Sep 2006, 457 posts, RR: 1
Reply 126, posted (1 year 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 15110 times:

Quoting kaitak (Reply 105):
I do recall, however, that on some of the flights, the used the J cabin, or part of it, for Y class, so if you were canny, you could get to the airport first and get the J class seats! That was in 1990.

Ah, that may be how I ended up on the top deck. I was most likely there about 4 hours before my flight and ended up getting a good seat!


User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1853 posts, RR: 2
Reply 127, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 15056 times:
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Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 121):
UA and DL have 16 seats in BusinessFirst and BusinessElite on their longhaul 757s.

My apologies.....I looked through my notebook.....realised I got the 12/16 configs mixed up. AA are the only US carrier ex Ireland with 12 J on their B757.

Quoting AmricanShamrok (Reply 124):
EI would have configured the 757s in all-Y if they didn't have any J demand from SNN.

I get what Jamie2k is saying about current loads....however EI have to plan based on L/F of (hopefully) 60-70% if not more. And looking mid Nov isn't a great tallymark. After all SNN-USA has always had a low J load and is more seasonal that routes ex-DUB.


User currently offlineClassicLover From Ireland, joined Mar 2004, 4646 posts, RR: 23
Reply 128, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 14973 times:

Quoting tonystan (Reply 111):
From a customer service perspective 4 crew will be a disaster. 2 crew will have to remain in Business to deliver the service there meaning just 2 crew to deal with 165 passengers.

Others have pointed it out, but I think 1 crew member for 12 pax isn't going to ruin anyone's day. I have seen BA use 1 crew member in Club Europe for loads of 10 or less and it works just fine.

It's likely that what would happen is that the service would be half the aircraft each.

Eg: Two crew up front. Both do drinks while the meals are heating, one then plates and one serves. After that, those two crew do the Economy cabin down to half way. The other two crew do Economy from half way and back.

It's a 6 hour flight, there are only 12 seats. The service will be designed so that it will be efficient and fine. If it was 24 J seats, I'd say it would be a problem, but it's not



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User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27165 posts, RR: 60
Reply 129, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 14937 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 128):
Eg: Two crew up front. Both do drinks while the meals are heating, one then plates and one serves. After that, those two crew do the Economy cabin down to half way. The other two crew do Economy from half way and back.

There is no doubt it can be done. All it needs is training and all crew to be on the same hymn sheet. There is no reason it cant be an efficient service. It will mean maybe a bit less chat in the galley and more presence in the cabin and working at a faster pace which is why I think there is some opposition to it.

With the hundreds of flights I have done over the years I have seen both efficient professional delivery of product by crew and sadly many examples of half hearted attempts.

Swiss is an example of how to deliver a product and how to have a consistent clockwork regime in place in the J cabin. On many of my flights of 2-4 hours with Swiss they often adopt the system mentioned above with a 3 row J cabin of 12 and it works well. Everything gets done in a short time. On a TATL you have another few hours to play with.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27165 posts, RR: 60
Reply 130, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 14577 times:

Aer Lingus suing State for €61m
Tuesday, October 15, 2013

Aer Lingus is suing the State for more than €61m over an "undifferentiated" travel tax.
The case came before Mr Justice Peter Kelly in the Commercial Court yesterday but he refused the airline’s application to fast-track it due to delay in bringing the proceedings in circumstances where the tax was introduced by the 2008 Finance Act and deemed in breach of EU regulations two years later.
Aer Lingus’ then chief executive had written to the finance minister in Oct 2008 expressing the airline’s "firm view" the then proposed tax was contrary to EU law, the court heard.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/busines...us-suing-state-for-61m-246324.html

Quite a lot of money if they win. I wonder what the chances are.


User currently offlineEIBoston From Ireland, joined Sep 2006, 457 posts, RR: 1
Reply 131, posted (1 year 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 14385 times:

Irish Budget - Air travel tax is gone from April 1. MOL will have one less thing to complain about.

User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27165 posts, RR: 60
Reply 132, posted (1 year 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 14369 times:

Aer Arann has welcomed the abolition of the airline travel tax.

Commercial Director Simon Fagan said the abolition "brings Ireland more into line with other countries. It helps airlines like ours to achieve our growth plans, particularly as we roll-out new aircraft and new routes in 2014 and beyond".

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/1015/480529-budget-live-two/


A good move by the Irish Govt. as for the rest of it the country got off lightly thank god. Also the VAT rate for locals and tourists in hotels and restaurants was maintained which is another good move.


User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1444 posts, RR: 2
Reply 133, posted (1 year 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 14358 times:

Quoting ClassicLover (Reply 128):
Others have pointed it out, but I think 1 crew member for 12 pax isn't going to ruin anyone's day. I have seen BA use 1 crew member in Club Europe for loads of 10 or less and it works just fine.

A club Europe slip and slop hot meal ( and let's face it this only occurs on a handful of European flights, most are just a cold salad) is very different to the Aer Lingus business class longhaul meal service.

I don't doubt it can be done with 4 crew but I feel it will result in a significantly reduced customer service experience. It almost discriminates those who wish to chose Shannon over Dublin especially when I doubt fares will be reduced to reflect an inferior service.



My views are my own and do not reflect any other person or organisation.
User currently offlineEI564 From Ireland, joined May 2007, 373 posts, RR: 0
Reply 134, posted (1 year 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 14275 times:

Quoting tonystan (Reply 133):

If the operation is more profitable than flights from Dublin then I imagine that SNN is going to benefit from more flights. Hardly discrimination. And do we know how DUB-YYZ will operate?

If a crew of 4 doesn't work then EI management are to blame and they can change it. But it's not the Unions role to manage the airline. And if it does work then EI and SNN will benefit.


User currently offlinetonystan From Ireland, joined Jan 2006, 1444 posts, RR: 2
Reply 135, posted (1 year 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 14089 times:

Quoting EI564 (Reply 134):

I don't think you understand at all what I said RE discrimination. We've already had people say how SNN doesn't need a proper business service etc. Hardly inclusive comments. If EI are to provide an inferior service out of Shannon ( and I presume the YYZ) it effects the airlines brand which is bad for the company and it's representitives whom include the front line ones such as the cabin crew.

Again sad that EI have gone down the path of outsourcing its cabin crew simply because of a bean counter spat! You can't put a price on experience and loyalty!



My views are my own and do not reflect any other person or organisation.
User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1853 posts, RR: 2
Reply 136, posted (1 year 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 14091 times:
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Quoting tonystan (Reply 135):
You can't put a price on experience and loyalty!

It seems Aer Lingus already have......."too much"


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27165 posts, RR: 60
Reply 137, posted (1 year 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 14013 times:

Pre-clearance for all flights

From 27 October 2013 all flights to the US pre-clear US Customs and Immigration in Terminal 2 (Dublin) or Shannon airport before departure.

http://www.aerlingus.com/travelinfor...2atdublin/usimmigration/#d.en.8502

Great news that from 27th October all flights to the US with EI will pre clear.


User currently offlinegoldcrest From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 138, posted (1 year 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 13943 times:

What about an agreement where by they operate with , let's say 4 crew, if the business class loads doesn't exceed 8 people. Anything over that, they will use so some on standby or reserve to take it up to 5 crew.

Even with a low load outbound, (below 8) and a higher load inbound, they still get the 5th crew member.


User currently offlineEagleboy From Niue, joined Dec 2009, 1853 posts, RR: 2
Reply 139, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 13852 times:
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Quoting goldcrest (Reply 138):
What about an agreement where by they operate with , let's say 4 crew, if the business class loads doesn't exceed 8 people. Anything over that, they will use so some on standby or reserve to take it up to 5 crew.

I would think that this is a logical compromise.....however neither side in EI is known for using logic.


User currently offlineEIBoston From Ireland, joined Sep 2006, 457 posts, RR: 1
Reply 140, posted (1 year 2 weeks ago) and read 13666 times:

I notice that EI have had one of their A321's on the ORK-LHR route the last 9-10 days. Is demand high or was it just an equipment swap that has not been reversed yet?(mind you that would be easy enough to do at LHR)

User currently offlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6348 posts, RR: 14
Reply 141, posted (1 year 2 weeks ago) and read 13632 times:

RYANAIR WILL GROW TRAFFIC AT IRISH AIRPORTS NEW: Thomsonfly (United Kingdom)">BY OVER 1M PASSENGERS P.A. FROM APRIL 2014

1,000 NEW TOURISM JOBS TO BE CREATED FROM APRIL AS RYANAIR RESPONDS TO GOVERNMENT WITHDRAWAL OF TOURIST TAX

http://www.ryanair.com/en/news/ryana...-1m-passengers-p-a-from-april-2014

Good news, be interesting to see what kind of deal each airport comes up with. I just hope there's plenty of genuine new routes and it doesn't end up being about doubling up on routes already served by other airlines as we've all seen how that ends in the long run.

Quoting EIBoston (Reply 140):

I notice that EI have had one of their A321's on the ORK-LHR route the last 9-10 days. Is demand high or was it just an equipment swap that has not been reversed yet?(mind you that would be easy enough to do at LHR)

It was planned for a while, the A321 has been based at ORK since early October. I flew EI724 on Monday night and it seemed very busy, the crew were great and the air bridge was used as well which is quite rare.


User currently offlineJamie2k9 From Ireland, joined Jan 2012, 208 posts, RR: 2
Reply 142, posted (1 year 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 13555 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 141):
RYANAIR WILL GROW TRAFFIC AT IRISH AIRPORTS NEW: Thomsonfly (United Kingdom)">BY OVER 1M PASSENGERS P.A. FROM APRIL 2014

1,000 NEW TOURISM JOBS TO BE CREATED FROM APRIL AS RYANAIR RESPONDS TO GOVERNMENT WITHDRAWAL OF TOURIST TAX

http://www.ryanair.com/en/news/ryana...-1m-passengers-p-a-from-april-2014

Good news, be interesting to see what kind of deal each airport comes up with. I just hope there's plenty of genuine new routes and it doesn't end up being about doubling up on routes already served by other airlines as we've all seen how that ends in the long run.

Have another look at the press release, 500,000 visitors to Ireland, we can guess what the other 500,000 will be and where they will be flying to.


User currently onlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 143, posted (1 year 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 13527 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 141):
RYANAIR WILL GROW TRAFFIC AT IRISH AIRPORTS BY OVER 1M PASSENGERS P.A. FROM APRIL 2014

Any predictions on these new routes? I'd say KIR-MAN is a contender and I'd love to see SNN-GRO/BCN, BVA or CRL return.

Fair play to FR for keeping their word. They always said they'd launch new routes if the tax was dropped.

[Edited 2013-10-16 11:31:13]


Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlineAer Lingus From Ireland, joined May 2000, 1565 posts, RR: 0
Reply 144, posted (1 year 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 13495 times:

Quoting Jamie2k9 (Reply 142):
Have another look at the press release, 500,000 visitors to Ireland, we can guess what the other 500,000 will be and where they will be flying to.

Well the supposed 500,000 coming in have to fly back...


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27165 posts, RR: 60
Reply 145, posted (1 year 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 13488 times:

Quoting Aer Lingus (Reply 144):
Well the supposed 500,000 coming in have to fly back...

One would hope so  
Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 141):
1,000 NEW TOURISM JOBS TO BE CREATED FROM APRIL AS RYANAIR RESPONDS TO GOVERNMENT WITHDRAWAL OF TOURIST TAX

This was an obvious reaction.


User currently offlinekaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12526 posts, RR: 35
Reply 146, posted (1 year 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 13244 times:

Good to see FR stepping up to the mark, rather than moaning!

With regard to EI's 757s, just caught this snippet on Skyliner this morning:

Boeing 757 -2Q8 28167 775 OH-LBR Finnair ferried 15oct13 HEL-SNN, for Air Contractors / Aer Lingus as EI-LBR

I see they're keeping the last part of the Finnish reg, just changing the country code!


User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3922 posts, RR: 9
Reply 147, posted (1 year 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 13126 times:

Quoting Eagleboy (Reply 139):
I would think that this is a logical compromise.....however neither side in EI is known for using logic.

Maybe on the surface. I wonder if EI would end up sending 5 cabin crew more often than not? Presumably they used to do this when Premier still existed on the short-haul fleet, so could do so if they could remember how to figure it out. Would it be a bit tricky with long haul, if there were last-minute bookings for J you might need more crew downroute? Where woudl they come from?
I'm not crew at EI, but as a passenger who has flown in J I don't see how the J class service can be delivered by one member of crew on their own. The EI service is an extensive service and drags on into an already short flight. A lot of people want to sleep on the night flights. If EI could introduce in-lounge dining and just a light supper on the Eastbound, it might work with 4. Service on the Westbound will still be slow, but not so noticeable.

[Edited 2013-10-17 02:48:47]


Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7221 posts, RR: 57
Reply 148, posted (1 year 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 12969 times:

Interesting article on Ryanair in the independent today

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/ryanair-article-29668012.html

ON 12 August 2013 we published an article entitled "Ryanair accused of intimidating pilots with safety concerns".

The article referred to a Ryanair pilot group which was described by us as "an unofficial body at the company".

Ryanair have asked us to clarify that the majority of council members of this group are pilots working for competitor airlines to Ryanair (including KLM, Aer Lingus and Air France).

We are happy to clarify this matter and we acknowledge the IAA's independent confirmation that Ryanair's safety is "on a par with the safest airlines in Europe".



The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27165 posts, RR: 60
Reply 149, posted (1 year 1 week 6 days ago) and read 12870 times:

More good news for SNN

Shannon aviation company wins contract with Canadian airline

A Clare-based aviation services company has secured a major contract to carry out installation and maintenance work for WestJet, Canada’s second-largest airline.
This is the third major announcement by Shannon’s Eirtech Aviation in recent months.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/s...ct-with-canadian-airline-1.1561949


User currently onlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 150, posted (1 year 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 12758 times:

As expected, FR will launch new routes from SNN next spring. Negotiations are continuing:

http://www.live95fm.ie/News-Sport/Article/?ItemID=16561



Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlineaerdingus From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 2845 posts, RR: 16
Reply 151, posted (1 year 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 12556 times:

Feeling a bit emotional after SK actually sent me an email announcing the retirement of their MD80s!

"Our last MD-80 flight from Dublin will be the SK2538 on 24 October" so, they know there are people out there like us!  

Glad I got a go on one BRU - CPH -DUB earlier this year. A great a/c.



Cabin crew blog http://dolefuldolegirl.blogspot.ie/
User currently offlinelegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2093 posts, RR: 0
Reply 152, posted (1 year 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 12644 times:

Full page ad in the SF Chronicle. The fare is all inclusive.




John@SFO
User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3922 posts, RR: 9
Reply 153, posted (1 year 1 week 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 12464 times:

Quoting legacyins (Reply 152):
Full page ad in the SF Chronicle. The fare is all inclusive.

Nice ad.
Interesting that they did not make mention of connecting opportunities onwards from DUB.



Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently onlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 154, posted (1 year 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 12386 times:

Flight EI123 was one of the first international arrivals to use ORD's new Runway 10C/28C yesterday:

http://i42.tinypic.com/9az8yh.jpg

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/10/17/new-runway-opening-at-ohare/



Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlineBrianDromey From Ireland, joined Dec 2006, 3922 posts, RR: 9
Reply 155, posted (1 year 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 12329 times:

DY's recent launch of LAX, FLL and JFK from LGW is interesting. Much is being made of the headline fare. In November I'm due to fly MAN-DUB-JFK and return for the princely sum of £404.00 obviously including a bag and meals. I know it's not direct, but it does make me wonder how much room there really is for Norwegian to offer low fares and make money. One blogger reckons the cost of flying LGW-LAX is £250 per seat, at 100% load, just for plane and fuel. I wonder if long haul will be a profitable venture for DY. I'm inclined to think that if there was a way to make it work FR would have 50-100 787s on order, but they don't.


Next flights: MAN-ORK-LHR(EI)-MAN(BD); MAN-LHR(BD)-ORK (EI); DUB-ZRH-LAX (LX) LAX-YYZ (AC) YYZ-YHZ-LHR(AC)-DUB(BD)
User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27165 posts, RR: 60
Reply 156, posted (1 year 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11895 times:

Quoting legacyins (Reply 152):
Full page ad in the SF Chronicle. The fare is all inclusive.

A bit boring and bland compared to the European Ads. Im sure something a bit more eye catching and exciting could have been done. This looks like an Ad from the 80's !

--

Ryanair pilots’ union to brief media
Union has complained about system through which many of Ryanair’s pilots are employed
The Ryanair Pilots Group (RPG) has announced it is to host its first press conference in what is understood to be a determination to counter comments about it by Ryanair and its chief executive Michael O’Leary.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/s...ots-union-to-brief-media-1.1566058


User currently offlinedstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 157, posted (1 year 1 week 4 days ago) and read 11767 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 130):
Aer Lingus is suing the State for more than €61m over an "undifferentiated" travel tax

It was , of course, the passengers who paid the travel tax, whether justified or not.
I do hope that Aer Lingus do not even think of keeping it for themselves, should they win in the Courts.
(Now why did that sound rather innocent?)

Quoting OA260 (Reply 137):
Great news that from 27th October all flights to the US with EI will pre clear.

Fantastic news, - resolves my "would like to route onward via BOS but wont because of lack of pre-clearance problem"


User currently offlineJamie2k9 From Ireland, joined Jan 2012, 208 posts, RR: 2
Reply 158, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 11724 times:

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 157):


Yes we were charged but there is no way EI charged the full amount as tax, they absorbed some of it into the fares.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27165 posts, RR: 60
Reply 159, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 11389 times:

Passengers land at Dublin Airport with injuries sustained during flight
Several passengers on a United Airlines carrier that landed in Dublin Airport early this morning sustained minor injuries during the flight.

Flight UA23 from New York to Dublin “encountered severe turbulence during the flight’s descent into Dublin”, according to a spokesperson for United Airlines.
Carrying 129 customers and 8 crew on board, the Boeing 757 landed safely at Dublin Airport but was met by medical personnel on the runway.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news...tained-during-flight-29674843.html

Glad nothing more serious. A lesson on wearing seat belts at all times where possible.


User currently offlineshamrock321 From Ireland, joined May 2008, 1604 posts, RR: 1
Reply 160, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 11379 times:

Seems the return sector has been canceled, damage to the aircraft?

User currently offlineclydenairways From Ireland, joined Jan 2007, 1261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 161, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 10975 times:

Quoting shamrock321 (Reply 160):
Seems the return sector has been canceled, damage to the aircraft?

Some of the comments here talk about hydraulic problems
http://avherald.com/h?article=46a38136&opt=0


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27165 posts, RR: 60
Reply 162, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10914 times:

Exceptional and redundancy costs totalling €185m contributed to Dublin- based airline, Cityjet last year recording pre-tax losses of €208.9m.

The airline’s parent Air France KLM is currently in advanced negotiations to sell the airline off to a third party and new accounts for Cityjet Ltd show that the airline recorded revenues of €260.2m in the 12 months to the end of December last.
This represented a 9% increase on the €238m in revenues recorded for a nine-month period to the end of December 2011.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/archive...re-tax-losses-of-2089m-246905.html

Results in from WX. I wonder where it will all end and who will buy them.


User currently offlinedstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 163, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 10479 times:

For those of us accustomed to go through Heathrow like a well trained rat running through a maze, the news that Heathrow T2 building is also on schedule, may force new learned behaviors on us. Can old rats learn new tricks?

Aer Lingus is to begin using T2 on July 9 next year so new routes to be learned, the old grey tunnels of T1 enjoy them now while you can.


User currently offlinedstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 164, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 10276 times:

The National Library has digitised the Aer Lingus - Irish Air Lines timetable for the winter of 1950/51.

http://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000274887#page/1/mode/1up

Some other Aer Lingus memorabilia is also available.


User currently offlineOA260 From Ireland, joined Nov 2006, 27165 posts, RR: 60
Reply 165, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day ago) and read 10197 times:

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 164):
The National Library has digitised the Aer Lingus - Irish Air Lines timetable for the winter of 1950/51.

That was a great read   Glad they did that. A few things to notice how cigarettes were not a dirty word back then and also how long the EI/KL co operation has been going on for ( booking offices ) .


User currently offlinegkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24951 posts, RR: 56
Reply 166, posted (1 year 1 week 1 day ago) and read 10164 times:

EI Regional Newcastle-Dublin starts this week (sunday?)


When you hear the noise of the Tartan Army Boys, we'll be coming down the road!
User currently offlineshamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6348 posts, RR: 14
Reply 167, posted (1 year 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 10111 times:

Quoting gkirk (Reply 166):

EI Regional Newcastle-Dublin starts this week (sunday?)

Thursday but it appears DUB-NCL is already sold out on that day, hopefully they've finally found the right sized aircraft for the route after failing before with the A320.

Quoting dstc47 (Reply 164):

The National Library has digitised the Aer Lingus - Irish Air Lines timetable for the winter of 1950/51.

That's a great find, really like that Aer Lingus/BP advert at the end.


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7221 posts, RR: 57
Reply 168, posted (1 year 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 10056 times:

Quoting shamrock350 (Reply 167):
Thursday but it appears DUB-NCL is already sold out on that day, hopefully they've finally found the right sized aircraft for the route after failing before with the A320.

I flew this route on a Fokker 50 way back then! St. Pappin (EI-FKE), delivered in 1991, still flying for CityJet.



The world is really getting smaller these days
User currently onlineAmricanShamrok From Ireland, joined May 2008, 2936 posts, RR: 0
Reply 169, posted (1 year 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 9620 times:

Rumours around these parts that FR is to announce details of new routes tomorrow. It will be interesting to see what they come up with!


Shannon-Chicago
User currently offlineEI320 From Ireland, joined Dec 2007, 1442 posts, RR: 0
Reply 170, posted (1 year 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 9507 times:

Quoting OA260 (Reply 165):
Glad they did that. A few things to notice how cigarettes were not a dirty word back then and also how long the EI/KL co operation has been going on for ( booking offices ) .

It's also quite interesting to note that the EI 152/154/156 outdate Heathrow Airport itself, with most (if not all) types since the DC-3 having operated these flights at some point.