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Central American Aviation Thread. Part 55  
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4460 posts, RR: 4
Posted (11 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 15839 times:



THE CENTRAL AMERICAN AVIATION THREAD
PART LV
"Tribute to Braniff in Central America"


Welcome again to all the posters, readers and followers on this series !
I don’t get information about other Central American destination besides Panama City, speaking about the defunct Braniff International Airways from the United States. So, this edition could have been rather named as: Tribute to Braniff in Panama City...
The flying colors operated from Miami and New Orleans as non-stops to Panama City. Dallas/Ft. Worth also launched direct services there.
Their flights originated in Miami used to continue to South America, starting a legacy that is still in place nowadays. By the end of the 70s and allowing limited weekly frequencies, their jets flew out of Panama City to Bogota, Cali, Guayaquil, Quito, Lima and La Paz. They usually continued to their far stations placed in deep South America.
I guess the 727 was the usual plane in Panama City, in those days.
Most of this information was taken from Braniff Schedule. Summer 1978.



Edited on September 16th 2013.


"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
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User currently onlineAzure From France, joined Dec 2012, 620 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (11 months 1 week ago) and read 15737 times:

Great thread, I've enjoyed reading the previous part !

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 210):
BZE's BA turf, same as PTY is IB

I do not know what you mean for IB.
Between Europe and PTY, KL is the #1 carrier (2,500 seats weekly vs 1,600 seats weekly for IB). Source : http://centreforaviation.com/analysi...ir-france-will-not-be-alone-118493
KL flies 7x a week to PTY, IB 5x.
In addition AF will start a 3x weekly service from CDG as from Nov 25.

Maybe IB dominated this market but that was long ago.

Actually it is nice to see PTY getting more attraction !



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6085 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (11 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 15698 times:

thanks for starting the new thread


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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2600 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (11 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 15676 times:

Quoting Azure (Reply 1):
I do not know what you mean for IB.

BA and IB belong to the same airline group.
BA focus in flying between LON and English-Speaking Caribbean destinations, IB focus between MAD and Spanish-Speaking Caribbean/Central America.
Recently Panama Tourism Authority was after BA to start LGW-PTY, answer they got from BA was something like "IB wouldn't like it since IB flies from MAD".
And while PTY is desperate for a LON non-stop, chances PTY/CM can woo VS to fly the route - even from LGW - are quite low, at least for now.



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2600 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (11 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 15569 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Thread starter):
I don’t get information about other Central American destination besides Panama City

Well if Eastern got its Latin American routes from Braniff.. and Eastern was flying to SJO.. Does that mean that Braniff was already flying to SJO when Eastern took the routes?
I could be mistaken (specially if I my memory is playing tricks on me) but I had the feeling Braniff did fly to SJO.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4460 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (11 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 15508 times:

Quoting Azure (Reply 1):
KL flies 7x a week to PTY, IB 5x.
In addition AF will start a 3x weekly service from CDG as from Nov 25.

Maybe IB dominated this market but that was long ago.

Actually it is nice to see PTY getting more attraction !

KL AMS-PTY 3x weekly with MD-11 resumed their regional services in 2008, when CM was a SkyTeam associated airline. Both KL and CM rapidly started a mutual commercial agreement which is still in service.
The triangular IB MAD-GUA-PTY-MAD [3x-4x] weekly was active in those days. However, SkyTeam and KL AMS-PTY played better their charts, increasing their frequencies up to 7x weekly progressively.
The equipment was changed by the modern 777 later and AF CDG-PTY 3x weekly is due to start on November 25th.
None of the European Star Alliance carriers are still flying to PTY.




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 4):
Braniff was already flying to SJO when Eastern took the routes?

I don't remember Braniff flying to San Jose.
I collected their timetables dated in 1978 and 1980 and SJO is out of that equation.
EA MIA-SJO began their flights in the early 80s where Pan Am and Air Florida attended that market.
Eastern also flew to GUA and SAL. Nonetheless, Braniff International never served these airports.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (11 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 15416 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 5):
I don't remember Braniff flying to San Jose

Although connecting third–party (LR?) flights via Panamá were available back in 1965 as shown below.

http://airchive.com/galleries/6387.jpg

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 5):
I collected their timetables dated in 1978 and 1980

Click on the links to see what their route map looked like back in 1973, 1975, and 1981.

[Edited 2013-09-18 08:44:38]


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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (11 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 15351 times:

It may seem like a pipe dream, reminiscent of the Aero Costa Rica fiasco ridden with mismanagement and inefficiency, but there is a new Costa Rican airline in the making.

Ticos Air has submitted all required documentation to the local DGAC for approval, and hopes to start SJOMEXSJO in December.

According to founder/president Gino Renzi, a publicist who worked 20 years for Coke, their next destinations will be EWR, LAX, MIA, and CCS.

Renzi also sits on the board of Hotel & Villas La Condesa in Heredia province.. hopefully not an indication of things to come, but the hotel owes CCSS (public healthcare system) and FODESAF (social welfare fund) over US$745K to date.

With undisclosed foreign backers (my sources point to Venezuela), the airline plans to operate a fleet of 5 leased 319s.

Línea aérea Ticos Air solicita autorización para operar vuelo internacional (in Spanish)

Ticos Air se diferenciará de Avianca por ser 100% nacional (in Spanish)



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2600 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (11 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 15311 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 7):
here is a new Costa Rican airline in the making.

So no room for a COPA Costa Rica flying out of SJO to MEX (TLC), MIA (FLL) and where currently CM as Panamanian airline can't add frequencies: CCS, EZE, YYZ...



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (11 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 15276 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 8):
So no room for a COPA Costa Rica flying out of SJO

Not necessarily.. and if this experiment goes belly–up then perhaps the Mottas et al. will snatch it, a la AeroRepública.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 8):
MEX (TLC)

Copa and other carriers in the region must be looking forward to seeing the planned México–Toluca high–speed rail (aka Tren Interurbano México–Toluca), and the Naucalpan–Toluca freeway (aka Autopista Interlomas–Aeropuerto) become a reality.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 8):
where currently CM as Panamanian airline can't add frequencies: CCS, EZE, YYZ

There are plenty of scenarios where a Costa Rican subsidiary might come in handy for Copa.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6085 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (11 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 15241 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 9):
Not necessarily.. and if this experiment goes belly–up then perhaps the Mottas et al. will snatch it, a la AeroRepública.

actually a very plausible scenario



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4460 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (11 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 15213 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 6):
Although connecting third–party (LR?) flights via Panamá were available back in 1965 as shown below

Alliances and code-shares are inventions merely consolidated in the 90s. Perhaps any sort of mutual cooperation existed in those days between Braniff and other carrier.
The route map also displays the Houston - Panama City sector in the 60s.
The significance of Panama City consisted in the first stop for most of their South American routes. The US canal zone in those days could have influenced in more flights to Panama compared to the remaining Central American countries.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineSkyBird77 From United States of America, joined Sep 2013, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 15205 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 7):
there is a new Costa Rican airline in the making


This is good news para los Ticos! Competition is always good and I hope it spreads in the region. I wish them success and I hope they don't go the way of Sol Air / AeroHonduras (2003-2005).


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4460 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (11 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 15167 times:

Quoting SkyBird77 (Reply 12):
they don't go the way of Sol Air / AeroHonduras

Ten years ago, Sol Air in Miami was hurt by their competitors who matched their fares linking Honduras and South Florida.
As a result, Sol Air left that market.


Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (11 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 15156 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 11):
The US canal zone in those days could have influenced in more flights to Panama compared to the remaining Central American countries

Aside from ideal geographic and topographic conditions, being a stone's throw away from unincorporated U.S. territory obviously added to the charm of Panamá City back then.

Quoting SkyBird77 (Reply 12):
This is good news para los Ticos! Competition is always good and I hope it spreads in the region

What is most significant here is that this would have been unthinkable just five years ago. The neighborhood bully that for many years thwarted competition, bled captive markets, short–changed customers, manipuled accident investigations, etc. has gradually lost its grip on CentAm.

Sort of like when the cat's away, the mice will play — only in this case the cat is moribund and the mice no longer feel threatened by the looming specter of his return.

Gotta give Copa and the Tocumen hub some credit for pummeling the beast into submission.

Now perhaps there's hope, in the not–so–distant future, for a well–run ULCC startup that makes intra–CentAm air travel affordable for the masses.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4460 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (11 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 15142 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 6):
Although connecting third–party (LR?) flights via Panamá

If I remember correctly, Lacsa didn't fly to Guatemala City during the BAC 1-11 era: 60s and 70s.




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Quoting SkyBird77 (Reply 12):
Competition is always good and I hope it spreads in the region

Panama City has the advantage over other regional cities due to the existence of Balboa Airport which might work for low-cost carriers, resulting in lower operational costs compared to PTY.
Comayagua as back-up for Tegucigalpa is still in doubt. It didn't experience a good time when TGU was temporarily closed due to the accident on May 30th 2008.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2600 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 15063 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 14):
Aside from ideal geographic and topographic conditions, being a stone's throw away from unincorporated U.S. territory obviously added to the charm of Panamá City back then.

Those were the days AA could have flown RDU-PTY or US CLT-PTY plus UA IAD-PTY and made some money just out of U.S. government/military related traffic.
Having such a huge U.S. presence here didn't really mean that much for PTY when BLB U.S. MAC flights would move lots of the traffic which could have been using PTY.

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 15):
Panama City has the advantage over other regional cities due to the existence of Balboa Airport which might work for low-cost carriers, resulting in lower operational costs compared to PTY.

Not only BLB, but new ONX and MPRH too.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6085 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (11 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 14987 times:

Anyone notice the CMAirlines and TAG ad on their FB pages

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=590994217632259&set=a.157673334297685.39062.100001650593441&type=1&theater

Anyone notice small at the bottom Alianza Airways?



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (11 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 14940 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 17):
Anyone notice small at the bottom Alianza Airways?

It seems that mice are springing up all over the place now. Interesting times ahead for CentAm aviation.



Entre le fort et le faible c’est la liberté qui opprime et la loi qui affranchit.
User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (11 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 14934 times:

AA1204 SJOMIA (757) diverted to ADZ this morning after crew noticed smoke in the cabin.. flight did eventually resume and is expected to arrive in MIA at 2024EDT (0024UTC)

Esta mañana (19 de septiembre), el vuelo 1204 de American Airlines, volando de San José, Costa Rica (SJO) a Miami (MIA), fue desviado a San Andrés, Colombia (ADZ) debido a un problema mecánico. El vuelo, una aeronave Boeing 757 con 172 pasajeros y seis tripulantes a bordo, aterrizó sin incidente en San Andrés a las 9:45 a.m. Los pasajeros han desembarcado y mantenimiento está evaluando la aeronave. — AA press release



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User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (11 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 14915 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 17):
Anyone notice small at the bottom Alianza Airways?

that's nice, but looks like flights will be operated by CMAirlines and not TAG...

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 18):
It seems that mice are springing up all over the place now

"cuando el gato duerme..."



nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6085 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (11 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 14899 times:

Quoting aer (Reply 20):
that's nice, but looks like flights will be operated by CMAirlines and not TAG...

Maybe the other way round....TAG has more spare capacity than CMAirlines...



When in doubt, hold on to your altitude. No-one has ever collided with the sky.
User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 14877 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 21):

I have heard that flights will start on november 5 weekly GUA-SAP-TGU-GUA
They will use Saab340 on that route.

Juanchito



Chapin de corazon.
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6085 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 14874 times:

Quoting juanchito (Reply 22):
They will use Saab340 on that route.

Then it must be TAGs aircraft.



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User currently offlineSkyBird77 From United States of America, joined Sep 2013, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 14871 times:

Who is behind CM Airlines? I saw their ticket counter at TGU last month (really hadn't paid much attention to them in my previous trips to TGU, might have seen one of their LET's on the tarmac. Usually I would see Sosa - anybody know how are they doing?).

User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 9
Reply 25, posted (11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 14937 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 23):
Then it must be TAGs aircraft.

Yes CM have been leasing the SAAB340 and EMB110 from TAG.



ARMSA another airline in Guatemala also leases two Emb110 to CM Airlines

Juanchito

[Edited 2013-09-19 19:59:51]


Chapin de corazon.
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4460 posts, RR: 4
Reply 26, posted (11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 14896 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 16):
new ONX

Some local travel agencies are promoting Colon for cruise ships heading to the Caribbean and other regions.
Is this the primary goal that justifies the improvements at ONX?

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offlinemingocr83 From Costa Rica, joined Dec 2007, 69 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (11 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 14991 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 7):

Heard that the investors were from Mexico, Slim included....



A380, A320, A319, 757-200, 737-800, 737-700, E190
User currently onlineAzure From France, joined Dec 2012, 620 posts, RR: 16
Reply 28, posted (11 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14936 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 3):
BA and IB belong to the same airline group.
BA focus in flying between LON and English-Speaking Caribbean destinations, IB focus between MAD and Spanish-Speaking Caribbean/Central America.
Recently Panama Tourism Authority was after BA to start LGW-PTY, answer they got from BA was something like "IB wouldn't like it since IB flies from MAD".
And while PTY is desperate for a LON non-stop, chances PTY/CM can woo VS to fly the route - even from LGW - are quite low, at least for now.

Thanks for the clarification, I do get your point now.
I do not want to start a IB/BA war here, but if what you write is true, and I have no reason not to believe it, then it is a wrong decision from IAG. Panama economy is booming, its government is very open (re the recent bilateral expansion with the Netherlands that allows KLM to fly from AMS twice daily) and in such a context, IAG should consider serving PTY not only from MAD but also from LON. IB alone cannot compete with KL and AF and it will soon be dwarfed by their 10x weekly flights from Europe that offer much more connectivity and flexibility. Just my 2 cents !



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2600 posts, RR: 1
Reply 29, posted (11 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 14901 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 26):
Some local travel agencies are promoting Colon for cruise ships heading to the Caribbean and other regions.
Is this the primary goal that justifies the improvements at ONX?

The government and Colon Duty Free Zone also want some cargo flights operating at ONX.
Also, Airport duty free concessions are quite attractive and looked upon so it doesn't matter if the airport would have almost no passenger traffic, those airport stores will be profitable.

Quoting Azure (Reply 28):
then it is a wrong decision from IAG.

PTY/CM will even settle for a BA LGW flight on aircraft w/limited business class cabin, regardless of all that booming economy we're supposed to be experiencing.
The excuse "there are no LHR slots available for BA PTY non-stop flights" can't be used here anymore.



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 604 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (11 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 14795 times:

with the current context of Central American airlines, I wish what was being discussed on a separated thread a LCC airlines comes true otherwise I'll need to start using Tica bus on my future travels to C.A.  

User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6085 posts, RR: 2
Reply 31, posted (11 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 14703 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 30):
with the current context of Central American airlines, I wish what was being discussed on a separated thread a LCC airlines comes true otherwise I'll need to start using Tica bus on my future travels to C.A.

patience my friends, patience......



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 32, posted (11 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 14655 times:

Quoting mingocr83 (Reply 27):
Heard that the investors were from Mexico, Slim included....

Good.. the deeper the pockets, the better.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 31):
patience my friends, patience......

Prophesy, brother.. prophesy..



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 33, posted (10 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 14376 times:

La Nación today reports 7.5K sq ft of concession space will be added at SJO as part of a planned 10.8K sq ft expansion adjacent to (west of) the existing passenger terminal building. AERIS, the company that operates the airport, says new offerings will range from apparel and clothing to a supermercado —presumably a convenience store, the likes of Vindi or Fresh Market.

[Edited 2013-09-26 07:19:17]


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User currently offlinecarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4757 posts, RR: 30
Reply 34, posted (10 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 14295 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 30):
I wish what was being discussed on a separated thread a LCC airlines comes true otherwise I'll need to start using Tica bus on my future travels to C.A.

Do you guys think a model similar to what Volaris and Interjet are doing within Mexico (taking away customers from the bus lines) would work in Central America? I certainly hope so!



What do I know, I'm just an 'immature troublemaker with only a passing interest in aviation' (or so they say)
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2600 posts, RR: 1
Reply 35, posted (10 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 14292 times:

Quoting carmenlu15 (Reply 34):
Do you guys think a model similar to what Volaris and Interjet are doing within Mexico (taking away customers from the bus lines) would work in Central America?

Re: Panama
7P got a B737 and Air Panama currently flies PAC Albrook - DAV-SJO.
If 7P would hat aircraft to use on PAC-DAV and DAV-SJO with fares to take passengers away from bus routes.. I really doubt it.



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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 604 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (10 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 14241 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 35):

I think Tica bus should do what G3 did in Brazil, they were first a bus company that bought planes!  LMFAO.


User currently offlineadamh8297 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 868 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (10 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 14143 times:

Good news - Massport (government agency running BOS) has separated the CM as a Central American flight so we can a handle on how its doing load wise.

Here's the results I came up with doing the math from Logan Airport Traffic 8-2013

All numbers assume 73G was flown

July 2013 - 82.6%
Aug 2013 - 89.1%
Overall - 86.3%

I would say CM is off to a pretty good start in BOS.


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6085 posts, RR: 2
Reply 38, posted (10 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 14079 times:

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 37):
I would say CM is off to a pretty good start in BOS.

LF is not a measure of success.....but if we assume CM is not underpricing their tickets then yes, initial loads look decent.



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User currently offlineadamh8297 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 868 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (10 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 14068 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 38):
LF is not a measure of success.....but if we assume CM is not underpricing their tickets then yes, initial loads look decent.

They definitely had underpriced some of their tickets (example they had sub-$700 flights to Brazil from BOS) during sale periods but on the flipside their CASM has to be lower than the competition in BOS. I got an targeted email from UA for double-miles on BOS-PTY from July 10- October 10 as well.

September and October are typically tougher months so we'll see how they do then.

Does any know how CM does cargo wise as well?


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4460 posts, RR: 4
Reply 40, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 13836 times:

Quoting carmenlu15 (Reply 34):
Do you guys think a model similar to what Volaris and Interjet are doing within Mexico (taking away customers from the bus lines) would work in Central America?

I disagree in this regard.
The fictitious Central American shuttle service would hardly boost any intended flight as most travelers are basically concentrated in downtown areas.
For the case of San Jose, I don't visualize how any dedicated Cartago-SJO, Ciudad Quesada-SJO or Puntarenas-SJO might work successfully, taking into account that many bus lines coming from the Pacific area stop at SJO main terminal. In my view, this volume of passengers is low.




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Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 37):
All numbers assume 73G was flown

July 2013 - 82.6%
Aug 2013 - 89.1%
Overall - 86.3%

The future of Copa Airlines is heading to the United States as pointing out in other threads from this series.
Their fares on CM PTY-BOS are not exactly cheap which is most likely granting a profitable venture to the airline.

Regards.



"Goin' up to the spirit in the sky"
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2600 posts, RR: 1
Reply 41, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 13818 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 40):
The future of Copa Airlines is heading to the United States as pointing out in other threads from this series.

There are several deserving South American and Caribbean destinations with very poor non-US or non-regional connectivity which CM should venture before some U.S. destinations where connections several times per day are already available.



I'm not on CM's payroll.
User currently offlineadamh8297 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 868 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (10 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 13734 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 40):
Their fares on CM PTY-BOS are not exactly cheap which is most likely granting a profitable venture to the airline.

The next three months do have cheap fares. With the exception of holiday weeks (Thanksgiving and Christmas/New Years) there is wide availability of $440 fares (all inclusive) where CM recevies $340 and the US government and Tocumen security fee collects $100. Most fares to connecting right now are much lower than DL/AA/UA. There are even some sub-$800 fares to Brazil available.


User currently offlinecarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4757 posts, RR: 30
Reply 43, posted (10 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13712 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 40):
I disagree in this regard.
The fictitious Central American shuttle service would hardly boost any intended flight as most travelers are basically concentrated in downtown areas.
For the case of San Jose, I don't visualize how any dedicated Cartago-SJO, Ciudad Quesada-SJO or Puntarenas-SJO might work successfully, taking into account that many bus lines coming from the Pacific area stop at SJO main terminal. In my view, this volume of passengers is low.

I was thinking more on the lines of GUA-SAL and the like... I agree that it wouldn't work for domestic services.



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 44, posted (10 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 13661 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 40):
Ciudad Quesada-SJO

Telenoticias today reports the best location for a proposed new airport serving the northern plains area of the country (proyecto de Ley 17937, para la construcción de un Aeropuerto Internacional en la Región de San Carlos y Zona Norte) according to DGAC, would be somewhere between Muelle and Altamira, not Cutris and Pocosol as previously thought.

Plans are for a category 3C airport with at least 3K feet of runway. The project has drawn more support from lawmakers recently, as the airstrip would potentially also be useful for national defense purposes.

[Edited 2013-09-30 10:12:44]


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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 45, posted (10 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 13641 times:

Quoting carmenlu15 (Reply 43):
I was thinking more on the lines of GUA-SAL and the like

That would be great, and should work provided it is not only AFFORDABLE but also CONVENIENT.

If you need to be in SJO three hours before your flight departs for MGA, by then Tica Bus et al. should have you doing border crossing paperwork, and just two hours away from your destination, for a fraction of the airfare cost.

The scenario would be similar in the case of GUA-SAL, and by the time your flight departs, you would've been having breakfast in Ahuachapán, with barely 100km remaining.



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User currently offlineMGASJO From Nicaragua, joined Feb 2005, 464 posts, RR: 7
Reply 46, posted (10 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 13612 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 45):
If you need to be in SJO three hours before your flight departs for MGA, by then Tica Bus et al. should have you doing border crossing paperwork, and just two hours away from your destination, for a fraction of the airfare cost.

I-ve done that MGA-SJO-MGA on Ticabus/transnica and similars for about 30 years. Never in less than 9 hours. And when semana santa and new year approaches nearly 12-13 hours. So even with 3 hrs before in SJO (adding 2 hours of driving time with the new pot holes and closures) the trip is better flying!



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User currently offlinecarmenlu15 From Guatemala, joined Dec 2004, 4757 posts, RR: 30
Reply 47, posted (10 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 13581 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 45):
That would be great, and should work provided it is not only AFFORDABLE but also CONVENIENT.

If you need to be in SJO three hours before your flight departs for MGA, by then Tica Bus et al. should have you doing border crossing paperwork, and just two hours away from your destination, for a fraction of the airfare cost.

The scenario would be similar in the case of GUA-SAL, and by the time your flight departs, you would've been having breakfast in Ahuachapán, with barely 100km remaining.

Definitely. Though I think asking passengers to be at the airport three hours before departure is a bit unnecessary, IMO. When I traveled to SJO in 2010, I showed up for both flights two hours before, rather than three. We hadn't checked in online (we were traveling non-rev), and the three of us were checking luggage. Both times we were at the gate with about 1:10-1:20 to spare (even considering the slight delay in security on the way there, because Grandma was carrying a hand bag full of foodstuff   ).



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 48, posted (10 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 13586 times:

Quoting MGASJO (Reply 46):
the new pot holes and closures

More like giant sinkholes.. the 10–foot diameter culverts installed some twenty–five years ago under that highway on which 50K+ cars and trucks pass daily collapsed when choked by a mix of garbage and rushing rainwater runoff.

Quoting MGASJO (Reply 46):
done that MGA-SJO-MGA on Ticabus/transnica and similars for about 30 years. Never in less than 9 hours

Never taken the bus myself, actually.. I drive up to Managua three times a year on average (wish my other favorite CentAm country Guatemala was closer) and, it takes me three hours to the border (unless a watering hole stop is needed along the way) and two more to be having a fritanga and beer along carretera a Masaya.



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User currently offlineMGASJO From Nicaragua, joined Feb 2005, 464 posts, RR: 7
Reply 49, posted (10 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 13568 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 48):
Never taken the bus myself, actually.. I drive up to Managua three times a year on average (wish my other favorite CentAm country Guatemala was closer) and, it takes me three hours to the border (unless a watering hole stop is needed along the way) and two more to be having a fritanga and beer along carretera a Masaya.

great! don't ever do it near xmas!



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 50, posted (10 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13560 times:

Quoting MGASJO (Reply 49):
great! don't ever do it near xmas!

Because of the long lines on both sides of the border you mean? Been told to avoid the week before Easter also.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2600 posts, RR: 1
Reply 51, posted (10 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 13544 times:

I've done San Salvador - Guatemala on a car and let me tell you getting into Guatemala city could take as long as the drive from San Salvador.
LCC Shuttle prop-service between MSSS and GUA could work.. if timed according to demand.
GUA-SYQ or MSSS-SYQ those would be different routes.



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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 604 posts, RR: 0
Reply 52, posted (10 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 13551 times:

Rumors in MAO, CM is cancelling some flights due to low demand, US dollars is hurting int'l travel in Brazil right now. I remember almost 1 year ago CM was even sending a 737 to MAO. interesting times.

User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2600 posts, RR: 1
Reply 53, posted (10 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 13514 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 52):
Rumors in MAO, CM is cancelling some flights due to low demand, US dollars is hurting int'l travel in Brazil right now. I remember almost 1 year ago CM was even sending a 737 to MAO. interesting times.

I don't think CM will drop MAO, however, I can foresee CM downgrading MAO to thrice weekly E190 until early December.



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4460 posts, RR: 4
Reply 54, posted (10 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 13512 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 41):
There are several deserving South American and Caribbean destinations with very poor non-US or non-regional connectivity which CM should venture

Well, Iquitos could be categorized within this assertion.
However, CM PTY-IQT 2x weekly looks like very different compared to the new CM PTY-BOS 7x weekly.




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Quoting carmenlu15 (Reply 43):
I was thinking more on the lines of GUA-SAL and the like

Guatemala and San Salvador are the closest regional capitals, in terms of hours driving.
Having said that, I don't believe in this model for [Tegucigalpa-San Salvador], [Managua-San Jose], [Tegucigalpa-Managua] or so.




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Quoting viaggiare (Reply 44):
Telenoticias today reports the best location for a proposed new airport serving the northern plains area of the country (proyecto de Ley 17937, para la construcción de un Aeropuerto Internacional en la Región de San Carlos y Zona Norte
Quoting viaggiare (Reply 48):
More like giant sinkholes.. the 10–foot diameter culverts installed some twenty–five years ago under that highway on which 50K+ cars and trucks pass daily collapsed when choked by a mix of garbage and rushing rainwater runoff.

The same local entity who stated the replacement of SJO close to Orotina more than 20 years ago as well as a new international airport placed in Sierpe and basically oriented to the leisure traffic.
Sorry, I'm still skeptical about the new press release posted at Telenoticias.




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Quoting andrefranca (Reply 52):
Rumors in MAO, CM is cancelling some flights due to low demand

Notice the E90 operating this route lately.

Regards.



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User currently offlineMGASJO From Nicaragua, joined Feb 2005, 464 posts, RR: 7
Reply 55, posted (10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 13493 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 50):
Because of the long lines on both sides of the border you mean? Been told to avoid the week before Easter also

Exactly! About 4 hours just standing in line!



C208B
User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2600 posts, RR: 1
Reply 56, posted (10 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 13204 times:

Routes is going on in Las Vegas these days.
Don't have the link but seems that LAS is using this event to try to woo new (or return) service to LAS.
Not mentioned in the article: AV from SAL and/or BOG.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6085 posts, RR: 2
Reply 57, posted (10 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 13192 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 56):
Routes is going on in Las Vegas these days.
Don't have the link but seems that LAS is using this event to try to woo new (or return) service to LAS.
Not mentioned in the article: AV from SAL and/or BOG.

Starts tomorrow (sat). I'm heading on out today. Routes Americas is in SAL in Feb.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 56):
Don't have the link but seems that LAS is using this event to try to woo new (or return) service to LAS.

Here is the link http://www.routesonline.com/events/160/world-routes-2013/ and yes, LAS is going all out.



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User currently offlineMGASJO From Nicaragua, joined Feb 2005, 464 posts, RR: 7
Reply 58, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 13034 times:

FYI, La Costeña will soon start flying MGA-TGU-MGA on Caravans. Nobody else flies that route. Some years ago La Costeña flew that route too, also Atlantic Airlines, both axed due to poor loads. We'll see how this new adventure goes. Still no info about schedules and fares.
Pretty excited to start a new route, hope to fly some of you in the future



C208B
User currently offlineskybird77 From United States of America, joined Sep 2013, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 59, posted (10 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 12816 times:

Quoting MGASJO (Reply 58):
Some years ago La Costeña flew that route too, also Atlantic Airlines, both axed due to poor loads.

Maybe with Caravans and a reasonable fare the route will be successful this time around? I guess the route is not as popular as it once was (remember Sahsa with the daily 737 or 727-100 on the way to SJO?). About 10 years I was on a Sol Air MIA-MGA-TGU flight. The plane practically emptied at MGA and I can't remember anyone boarding to TGU, on the way back, we had like 3 persons deplane at MGA. I hope Costeña is successful, it's always good to see new routes in Central America. Didn't Atlantic use F-227's on the route (or am I confused with something else)?


User currently offlineMGASJO From Nicaragua, joined Feb 2005, 464 posts, RR: 7
Reply 60, posted (10 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 12777 times:

Quoting skybird77 (Reply 59):
Didn't Atlantic use F-227's on the route (or am I confused with something else)?

No, Atlantic flew Let 410 here



C208B
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4460 posts, RR: 4
Reply 61, posted (10 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 12702 times:

Quoting skybird77 (Reply 59):
Sahsa with the daily 737 or 727-100 on the way to SJO?).

The 727-200 crashed in 1989 into a hill during the final approach at TGU was scheduled as SJO-MGA-TGU.

Regards.



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User currently offlineskybird77 From United States of America, joined Sep 2013, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 62, posted (10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12638 times:

Quoting MGASJO (Reply 60):
No, Atlantic flew Let 410 here

But did Atlantic operate any FH-227's or is my mind playing tricks on me? I could have sworn seeing one at TGU a few years back (and no, I'm not thinking of Lansa back in the late 70's early 80's).

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 61):
The 727-200 crashed in 1989 into a hill during the final approach at TGU was scheduled as SJO-MGA-TGU.

Yes, that was a leased 727 from Continental painted in the Tan Airlines livery operating as a Sahsa flight. An acquaintance of mine was killed on that flight. A few months later, a Tan L-188 freighter would also crash (killing all on board) in the same area (Las Mesitas).


User currently offlinegreenmow From Russia, joined Jun 2007, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 63, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 12442 times:

Did not see if someone mentioned it.

Copa orders Split Scimitar Winglets, up to 100 systems.

Link: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/copa-a...ders-split-scimitar-100000049.html


User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 64, posted (10 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 12263 times:

La Nación reports 30% of U.S. tourists and 49% of Canadians that flew in to Costa Rica during the first six months of 2013 chose LIR as their point of entry.


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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2600 posts, RR: 1
Reply 65, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 11980 times:

http://www.prensa.com/uhora/locales/...iones-aeropuerto-tocumen/215715?en
Heavy rains close PTY this morning.
From www.prensa.com - in English
Airport only closed 1h10m this morning and CM still having a tough day today @ PTY.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6085 posts, RR: 2
Reply 66, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 11970 times:

anyone else think VX might try its hand at some SFO/LAX - Central America routes......SFO-SJO would be just doable with a 319


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User currently offlinecopa330200 From Panama, joined Jan 2011, 207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 67, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 11940 times:

http://www.prensa.com/impreso/econom...a/tocumen-adjudica-contrato/215524

Odebrecht received 15% from PTY related to the new terminal construction.

http://www.prensa.com/impreso/econom...a/planes-no-varian-rio-hato/215534

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 65):
Heavy rains close PTY this morning.

I live near PTY , this morning rain was really realy heavy, started around 6:25 am and just got really bad around 7:30 am

  



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User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 643 posts, RR: 0
Reply 68, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 11914 times:
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I don't think so. That's just waaay off their current strategy. Mexico would come first.


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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6085 posts, RR: 2
Reply 69, posted (10 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 11823 times:

Quoting avi8 (Reply 68):
I don't think so. That's just waaay off their current strategy. Mexico would come first

Lets see if I am mentally channeling their route planning dept!   



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User currently offlineskybird77 From United States of America, joined Sep 2013, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 70, posted (10 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 11815 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 66):
anyone else think VX might try its hand at some SFO/LAX - Central America routes......SFO-SJO would be just doable with a 319
Quoting avi8 (Reply 68):
I don't think so. That's just waaay off their current strategy. Mexico would come first.

I have to agree. They have other issues they need to contend with right now. It would be nice to see them in Central American skies someday. With such a large population of Salvadoreños in the Bay Area, I would think they might do SFO-SAL before SFO-SJO (either way, I don't see expansion into Central America any time soon).


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6085 posts, RR: 2
Reply 71, posted (10 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 11810 times:

Quoting skybird77 (Reply 70):
It would be nice to see them in Central American skies someday.

IMHO, the odds are better than we all think. THey have to grow somewhere....and Mexico is not that attractive right now



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User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 72, posted (10 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 11797 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 71):
IMHO, the odds are better than we all think. THey have to grow somewhere....and Mexico is not that attractive right now

If they were to come, I would assume that they would go SJO and LIR. I'm still waiting for B6 and AC to come to GUA.



nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4460 posts, RR: 4
Reply 73, posted (10 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 11534 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 66):
anyone else think VX might try its hand at some SFO/LAX - Central America routes......SFO-SJO would be just doable with a 319

Speaking about a new US airline, we haven't heard any word related to the possible services of Alaska Airlines in Central America again.
They had opened an office to represent them in San Jose.

Regards.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2600 posts, RR: 1
Reply 74, posted (10 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11499 times:

CM flights grounded due to tech issue From www.prensa.com in English
Today CM Network Centre suffered a technical mishap. According to CM with that tech-issue the airline couldn't properly handle arrivals and departure.
According to La Prensa website, there are scheduled morning flights which hasn't taken off yet.



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 75, posted (10 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 11433 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 74):
According to CM with that tech-issue the airline couldn't properly handle arrivals and departure

Among the many stranded travelers this evening, Costa Rican president Laura Chinchilla (who flies commercial for lack of a presidential aircraft) on her way back from a summit. According to La Nación, she tweeted her discontent and sarcasm..

"Atrapados desde hace 5 horas en Aeropuerto Tocumen Panamá, sin que compañía aérea Copa de explicaciones. ¡Qué relajo!"

"Me han sugerido: 1. tomar Ticabus, 2. buscar lancha y tirarnos al mar, el Canal nos permite escoger Atlántico o Pacífico, 3. esperar aún más"



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6085 posts, RR: 2
Reply 76, posted (10 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 11356 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 73):
Speaking about a new US airline, we haven't heard any word related to the possible services of Alaska Airlines in Central America again.

IMHO it is only a matter of time. They are probably watching the success of new DL routes such as LAX-LIR before making decision. IF DL can make it work, then they surely can with their much better feed.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2600 posts, RR: 1
Reply 77, posted (10 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 11358 times:

PTY CM check-in counters this morning from Twitter @CriticaPa
Haven't heard if National Police is inside the terminal. But it's an awful situation over-there with all the delayed passengers, cancelled and delayed flights.



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User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 643 posts, RR: 0
Reply 78, posted (10 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 11317 times:
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My guess is that AS's first routes will be LAX-GUA/SAL, as they are the Central American cities with the highest O/D to LAX. SEA-Central America is highly unlikely. Maybe Virgin America could try LAX-Central America too, although they might try to build their SFO hub more.


avi8
User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4460 posts, RR: 4
Reply 79, posted (10 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 11251 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 76):
They are probably watching the success of new DL routes such as LAX-LIR before making decision. IF DL can make it work, then they surely can with their much better feed.

You have a good point here. The coming services of DL out of Los Angeles are likely hurting any incursion of AS in Central America.




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A nice view departing in the afternoon from SAP; formerly known as "La Mesa International Airport":



Regards.



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User currently offlineSkyBird77 From United States of America, joined Sep 2013, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 80, posted (10 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 11128 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 79):
A nice view departing in the afternoon from SAP; formerly known as "La Mesa International Airport":

Thank you for the post! I love seeing photos of my homeland! For ATC clearances out of TGU, they still call it "La Mesa"


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4460 posts, RR: 4
Reply 81, posted (10 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 11021 times:

Quoting SkyBird77 (Reply 80):
For ATC clearances out of TGU, they still call it "La Mesa"

Something like: "El Coco" for Juan Santamaría International Airport [SJO].

Regards



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6085 posts, RR: 2
Reply 82, posted (10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10932 times:

Reported in the Mexican press that 9N will announce BZE-MID service this Nov for March start. That will have them serving FRS, SAP, RTB, CUN, GUA (with TAG codeshare) and MID from BZE.

Sounds like it is time for bigger aircraft.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2600 posts, RR: 1
Reply 83, posted (10 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10899 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 82):
Sounds like it is time for bigger aircraft.

Sounds like it's time for BZE-GCM, BZE-HAV and BZE-SAL   



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4460 posts, RR: 4
Reply 84, posted (10 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10863 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 82):
Reported in the Mexican press that 9N will announce BZE-MID service this Nov for March start

How's the current dimension of the O&D market, in order to justify this intended route?
Is the [BZE-MID] sector different compared to the [BZE-CUN] route?

Regards.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6085 posts, RR: 2
Reply 85, posted (10 months 21 hours ago) and read 10765 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 84):

Actually BZE MID has more O&D than BZE CUN. CUN is strictly price sensitive traffic trying to connect to an LCC or wanting to avoid the USA. Mid has medical, industrial, educational and ethnic ties to BZE and is less price sensitive. Not to mention it is a bigger city than CUN and attracts a high end tourism demographic that is compatible with BZE's market positioning..

Should be slam dunk for 9N, especially since it will presumably have feed from FRS, SAP and RTB too.

Don't forget too that CO used to serve IAH MID BZE with full traffic rights many years ago

[Edited 2013-10-23 06:10:26]


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User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 643 posts, RR: 0
Reply 86, posted (10 months 21 hours ago) and read 10745 times:
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I wonder if we will see Volaris or Vivaerobus start flights to Central America soon. I'm also hoping for a Jetblue expansion in the area too.


avi8
User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 9
Reply 87, posted (10 months 12 hours ago) and read 10672 times:

Runway numerations in La Aurora will change

Runway 01 will change to runway 02 and runway 19 will change to runway 20




Chapin de corazon.
User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 88, posted (9 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 10496 times:

• Costa Rica's Prosecutor's Office and agents from the Judicial Investigation Police raided DGAC headquarters in San José yesterday, as part of an ongoing investigation as to whether contractors were allowed to collect full payment for incomplete work at LIR.

Fiscalía allana Aviación Civil por supuesta malversación en aeropuerto de Liberia


• Start-up carrier Ticos Air is reportedly hiring 120 employees, who will join 22 current workers in launching the airline's operations early next year.

New Costa Rican airline, Ticos Air, now hiring


• Townspeople in Waspam (an area located on Nicaragua’s Caribbean coast right on the border with Honduras, and gateway for many indigenous tribes including miskito communities) protesting the high cost of electricity, refuse to allow La Costeña C208 YN–CHX to take off from the WSP airfield.

Pobladores de Waspam retienen avioneta en protesta por altos costos de electricidad



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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6575 posts, RR: 6
Reply 89, posted (9 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 10404 times:
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"Air Chavez" - Any one?

Replacing one "monopoly" with another entity that does not follow free market rules either is not the solution.

"Vuelos Económicos Centroamericanos, S.A. (VECA), la línea aérea del consorcio Alba y que se presenta como de "bajo costo" con sede en El Salvador, anunció ayer que firmó un acuerdo de arrendamiento con International Lease Finance Corporation (ILFC), para dos aviones última generación Airbus A319-100."

http://www.elsalvador.com/mwedh/nota...leta.asp?idCat=47861&idArt=8271138



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 90, posted (9 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 10323 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 89):
Replacing one "monopoly" with another entity that does not follow free market rules either is not the solution

It's a start.. things are changing quickly ever since the Kriete empire imploded.. market dynamics will dictate how things evolve.. in the meantime, sit back and enjoy watching your country's oligarchy throw a fit.



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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 604 posts, RR: 0
Reply 91, posted (9 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 10319 times:

Quoting mt99 (Reply 89):

Not a "latino chavez pro social" bull%%$ myself, but hope it works, don't want to pay 360 USD on a SJO-PTY flight anymore.


User currently offlinecopa330200 From Panama, joined Jan 2011, 207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 92, posted (9 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 10270 times:

from La Prensa in Panama: TP will start flights to PTY in 2014 second half !!!  Wow!http://www.prensa.com/impreso/econom...-acerca-al-viejo-continente/217711

I didn't see this one coming since everybody has been talking about LH..

great to see new players in the región   



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6085 posts, RR: 2
Reply 93, posted (9 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 10261 times:

Wow TP in PTY. What kinda buisness justification is there for LIS PTY?
Somebody is going to take a bath. Either TP or the Panamanian taxpayer



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 94, posted (9 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 10249 times:

Quoting copa330200 (Reply 92):

The article reveals actual figures negotiated by Panamá with European carriers in terms of revenue guarantees..

AF: US$4.5M
IB: US$4M
KL: US$4M
TP: tba
LH: US$10M



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6085 posts, RR: 2
Reply 95, posted (9 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10230 times:

So does this mean BA can't be bought? Lol   


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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2600 posts, RR: 1
Reply 96, posted (9 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10236 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 93):
Wow TP in PTY. What kinda buisness justification is there for LIS PTY?
Somebody is going to take a bath. Either TP or the Panamanian taxpayer

If TP is smart, they'd launch PTY as a tag-on from CCS or if there's some kind of demand for a Europe-MAR flight, then as a LIS (FNC) - MAR - PTY.
Either with 5th liberty traffic rights between Venezuela and PTY.



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User currently offlinecopa330200 From Panama, joined Jan 2011, 207 posts, RR: 0
Reply 97, posted (9 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 10168 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 96):
If TP is smart, they'd launch PTY as a tag-on from CCS or if there's some kind of demand for a Europe-MAR flight, then as a LIS (FNC) - MAR - PTY.
Either with 5th liberty traffic rights between Venezuela and PTY.

that's a clever idea since there is a strong demand between Venezuela and Panama. I understand Venezuela -Portugal is pretty well covered .

now, as TP is Star Alliance not sure there is a business case for LH in PTY, conceptually TP should be able to address the via LIS to Europe and other Star Alliance, of course LIS is not FRA...   



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User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2559 posts, RR: 6
Reply 98, posted (9 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 10140 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 94):
The article reveals actual figures negotiated by Panamá with European carriers in terms of revenue guarantees..

AF: US$4.5M
IB: US$4M
KL: US$4M
TP: tba
LH: US$10M

I understand that LH wants US$10m, and not that such a figure is a thus a negotiating starting point rather than an agreement. Indeed, I don't see how LH would get more than double what AF is getting!

From the article, I gather that KLM want to add a daily flight. I wonder if they mean the KL/AF group through AF aiming to extend their service to daily or KLM actually going for their own second daily.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 96):
If TP is smart, they'd launch PTY as a tag-on from CCS

If any tags happen, then it might be with BOG. Perhaps a triangular route? TAP has been rumoured to be intending to launch BOG with 4 weekly frequencies - same number given for PTY.


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Reply 99, posted (9 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10100 times:
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Quoting viaggiare (Reply 90):
market dynamics will dictate how things evolve

Market Dynamics? my *ss.. Alba has an unlimited funds from the Venezuelan Government. How is that market dynamics?



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2600 posts, RR: 1
Reply 100, posted (9 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 10110 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 95):
So does this mean BA can't be bought?

And neither VS.

Quoting copa330200 (Reply 97):
now, as TP is Star Alliance not sure there is a business case for LH in PTY, conceptually TP should be able to address the via LIS to Europe and other Star Alliance, of course LIS is not FRA...

Looks like both TP and LH most likely both will operate in PTY.

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 98):
If any tags happen, then it might be with BOG. Perhaps a triangular route? TAP has been rumoured to be intending to launch BOG with 4 weekly frequencies - same number given for PTY.

What could BOG bring TP other than BOG O/D?



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6085 posts, RR: 2
Reply 101, posted (9 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 10076 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 100):
What could BOG bring TP other than BOG O/D?

cargo?



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User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 604 posts, RR: 0
Reply 102, posted (9 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 10073 times:

Quoting copa330200 (Reply 92):
I didn't see this one coming since everybody has been talking about LH..

great to see new players in the región

COME ON GUYS! Just what I said on the TAP Portugal Almost Ready To Launch Manaus & Belem (by santos Sep 5 2013 in Civil Aviation)

MEX and PTY have a much stronger market and no visa restriction to Europe.

Quoting copa330200 (Reply 92):
Wow TP in PTY. What kinda buisness justification is there for LIS PTY?
Somebody is going to take a bath. Either TP or the Panamanian taxpayer

Trust me if you walk down the Armador Causeway or the jewish cartier in PTY you'll listen only Portuguese/Hebrew, when I call CM telemarketing all the portuguese speaking attendants are either portuguese or children os portuguese, remeber Portugal is a broken country, they do have their diaspora getting bigger and bigger.

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 96):
Either with 5th liberty traffic rights between Venezuela and PTY.

You dream about it. I guess GOVVEN is more concerned about creating "happiness ministries" than anything else.

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 98):
If any tags happen, then it might be with BOG. Perhaps a triangular route? TAP has been rumoured to be intending to launch BOG with 4 weekly frequencies - same number given for PTY.

I'm not saying it's impossible but I don't see BOG as an appealing destination, even to go on the "corner" Colombians are required visa, and trust me I have lots of colombian friends and it's the hell on earth for then to get even tourist visa, you can imagine business visa and I'm also including the wealthy Colombians on this matter.


User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2559 posts, RR: 6
Reply 103, posted (9 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9974 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 100):
What could BOG bring TP other than BOG O/D?

O&D would be a significant addition, and better connections to many cities in Colombia.
You mentioned a tag from Venezuela as a help to the new proposed flight by TP. Why would that be needed when TP does quite well on that route.
However, adding the O&Ds of Colombia and Panama, cargo, plus connections on both could be a successful formula.

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 102):
I'm not saying it's impossible but I don't see BOG as an appealing destination, even to go on the "corner" Colombians are required visa, and trust me I have lots of colombian friends and it's the hell on earth for then to get even tourist visa

If this was such a big issue, Avianca would not have 23 frequencies a week to Spain. AF might have given up the flight, and LH not started theirs. But no, whilst there are 15 weekly frequencies between Panama and Europe, there are 44 frequencies a week between Colombia and Europe, and the airlines don't even have to be given a cent by the government.
After all. there are probably more colombians resident abroad than there are Panamanians (period).

In any case, the EU parliament just last week voted to abolish the need for a visa for colombian and peruvian citizens -implementation will likely take one year-. It so happens that a free trade agreement has just started too.
So if traffic Europe-Colombia is strong now, it will only surge going forward.


User currently offlineandrefranca From Brazil, joined May 2011, 604 posts, RR: 0
Reply 104, posted (9 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9953 times:

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 103):
Avianca would not have 23 frequencies a week to Spain

I forgot to mention this, colonization ties keep the spanish america well connected to Spain. It is not a big issue but it's something that doesn't help.

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 103):
But no, whilst there are 15 weekly frequencies between Panama and Europe, there are 44 frequencies a week between Colombia and Europe
Quoting Summa767 (Reply 103):
After all. there are probably more colombians resident abroad than there are Panamanians (period).

Well Colombia has 47 million inhabitants vs. 3.6 million of Panama, we can't even compare.

Quoting Summa767 (Reply 103):

In any case, the EU parliament just last week voted to abolish the need for a visa for colombian and peruvian citizens

I saw that.


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4460 posts, RR: 4
Reply 105, posted (9 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 9926 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 94):
LH: US$10M

So LH is charging a lot of money due to the benefit offered by the Panamanian Government. It doubles the coming AF CDG-PTY 3x weekly which would begin in due course.




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Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 96):
If TP is smart, they'd launch PTY as a tag-on from CCS or if there's some kind of demand for a Europe-MAR flight, then as a LIS (FNC) - MAR - PTY.

TAP from Portugal currently flies TP LIS-CCS 1x weekly, TP OPO-CCS 1x weekly and TP FNC-CCS 2x weekly. This schedule allocation is merely oriented to the O&D traffic and the intended TP LIS-PTY 4x weekly doesn't match the Venezuelan model.
On the other hand, any tag-on in Panama City makes the route unappealing compared to the dedicated services offered by KL AMS-PTY, IB MAD-PTY and the coming AF CDG-PTY.

Regards.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6085 posts, RR: 2
Reply 106, posted (9 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 9894 times:

All this EU service IMHO only serves to make the CM hub at PTY stronger.

PTY is rapidly turning into the DXB of the Americas. BA and a Asian carriers can't be far behind. I have heard reports of NZ looking at AKL-LIM-PTY......which, with the power of CMs hub should do well....even routings like MIA-PTY-AKL would come into play



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4460 posts, RR: 4
Reply 107, posted (9 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 9833 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 106):
All this EU service IMHO only serves to make the CM hub at PTY stronger.

I fully agreed with.
The intended services of TP LIS-PTY would probably bear the CM designator as well.

Regards.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2600 posts, RR: 1
Reply 108, posted (9 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9784 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 106):
I have heard reports of NZ looking at AKL-LIM-PTY......which, with the power of CMs hub should do well....even routings like MIA-PTY-AKL would come into play

I'd have thought of a B767 AKL-RAR-LIM but not some NZ ETOPS aircraft AKL-somewhere or non-stop-PTY.
CM wouldn't like another airline (even an Star Alliance pal) do fly the same routes it does.. be LIM-PTY or MIA-PTY.



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User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 9
Reply 109, posted (9 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 9753 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 108):
I'd have thought of a B767 AKL-RAR-LIM but not some NZ ETOPS aircraft AKL-somewhere or non-stop-PTY.

Flight from AKL to LIM or PTY will need aircraft with ETOPS 240

http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=NZAA-SP...PTO&MS=wls&DU=nm&E=120&E=180&E=240

Juanchito



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6085 posts, RR: 2
Reply 110, posted (9 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 9624 times:

And with Salo & Co tossing out all the money..if it were my money....I wouldn't spend it on any more EU carriers, you have enough....I would maybe go to EK and front them $10mil to fly DXB-PTY. Can the 77L even make that?

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 108):
CM wouldn't like another airline (even an Star Alliance pal) do fly the same routes it does.. be LIM-PTY or MIA-PTY.

When I was speaking of MIA I was thinking it would be codeshare CM MIA-PTY and NZ PTY-AKL. Cms hub at PTY could easily fill a star alliance flight to AKL with traffic from POS, BOG, SJO, GUA, SDQ, HAV even USA cities like MIA, TPA etc. The number of NZ people i have met that want to go to Havana amazes me.

Quoting juanchito (Reply 109):
Flight from AKL to LIM or PTY will need aircraft with ETOPS 240

Won't the 789s eventually have 240?

I had mentioned LIM as I know I have heard many many rumors of both QF and NZ looking at LIM due to the high tourist demand in Oceania for Peru. I would think that PTY would provide a nice balance of J seats to balance those Y demands. Don't think any traffic rights on LIM-PTY would be given.



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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4394 posts, RR: 12
Reply 111, posted (9 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 9628 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 100):
What could BOG bring TP other than BOG O/D?

You make it sound like BOG's O/D is insignificant, for a metro area of 8.5 million that is the capital and produces 25% of latin america's third largest economy, which means it has a larger economy on it's own than all of Panama.

But since you ask,

Cargo
Connections, equally or more efficient to Andean Community countries (Ecuador, Venezuela, Bolivia, Peru) and Chile, and much more efficient to other colombian cities, plus options to central america.
A large Star Alliance FF base in the name of AV's Lifemiles program members.

What makes BOG weaker against PTY:

Altitude
Relative congestion (which was chronic but is getting better by the day)
No government subsidies (apart from some small publicity by Proexport)

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 102):
I'm not saying it's impossible but I don't see BOG as an appealing destination, even to go on the "corner" Colombians are required visa, and trust me I have lots of colombian friends and it's the hell on earth for then to get even tourist visa, you can imagine business visa and I'm also including the wealthy Colombians on this matter.

Who cares? People get visas all the time and travel en masse to destinations all over the world. Not to mention that the EC is discussing the lift of the tourist visa to Europe this year, and the very considerable amount of colombians who hold dual passports, mainly from Spain and Venezuela, but also other wuropean countries and the US. And a visa issue is not the most relevant issue to look at for launching a destination. Otherwise US carriers wouldn´t fly anywhere in latin america. It's the amount of business, population and dynamic of the markets that you should be looking at, which determine the size of the market.


On another topic AV is going daily on BOG-CUN starting december. I'm betting BOG-GUA will go daily too next year.

[Edited 2013-10-28 10:22:44]


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User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 9
Reply 112, posted (9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9606 times:

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 111):
I'm betting BOG-GUA will go daily too next year.

I hope they go daily. AV will start flying with A318 that route. They planned it before with a A319.

Juanchito



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User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 9
Reply 113, posted (9 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 9596 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 110):
Won't the 789s eventually have 240?

Boeing goal is 330

Juanchito



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User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 9
Reply 114, posted (9 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9540 times:

New flights from TAG

Flights will operate with Saab 340 and from Monday to Friday.

GUA-TGU 06:00AM - Llega 07:20
TGU-GUA 08:00AM - Llega 09:20
GUA-SAP 10:00AM - Llega 11:00
SAP-GUA 19:00PM - Llega 20:00

Regards

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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2600 posts, RR: 1
Reply 115, posted (9 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 9538 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 110):
I would maybe go to EK and front them $10mil to fly DXB-PTY. Can the 77L even make that?

If talking about EK, I'd rather ask them to fly DXB.-STN-PTY instead.
EK wants to serve a 3rd LON airport and PTY is desperate for a LON non-stop flight.. PTY and CM hub will settle for STN if that's what is available for LON.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 110):
I had mentioned LIM as I know I have heard many many rumors of both QF and NZ looking at LIM due to the high tourist demand in Oceania for Peru.

If NZ was quite aware of the traffic between Peru and New Zealand/Australia then some time ago it'd have tried something like AKL-RAR-LIM w/B767-300ER which is an OK route for its B767 ETOPS.
Worried about yields? then an stop on PPT en-route between RAR and LIM would definitely improve those.

Quoting RCS763AV (Reply 111):
You make it sound like BOG's O/D is insignificant,

It wasn't written to taken like that.
BOG does have its strong draw: cargo and Colombia population being a couple of them, but IMHO, as a hub operation CM's PTY is quantum leap away from BOG and it's its only major challenging dangerous competitor (MIA isn't located in Central America or northern South America).



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 116, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 9353 times:

Quoting andrefranca (Reply 30):
otherwise I'll need to start using Tica bus on my future travels to C.A.

Relief seems to be on the way.. not two, but three start–ups on the horizon.. Vuelos Económicos Centroamericanos (VECA), Ticos Air, and now Ticas Airlines.

Ticas Airlines está apenas en fase de conseguir los requisitos legales para abrir su proceso de certificación, confirmó ayer la Dirección de Aviación Civil. (busy fulfilling all legal requirements in order to begin its certification process with the local DGAC). —'sup with the name anyway.. an all–female cabin crew moonlighting at Tango India?

• Tres nuevas aerolíneas pretenden volar en Centroamérica (link in Spanish)

Notice the veteran spinmeister extraordinaire saying toda competencia les merece un gran respeto. (all competition deserves great respect). —LOL

“No vemos problema en que ingresen nuevas aerolíneas, siempre y cuando cumplan con los requisitos y las reglamentaciones para la operación, e ingresen al mercado en igualdad de condiciones, sin subsidios o privilegios”. (We see no problem, provided new airlines comply with the requirements and regulations for operation, and enter the market on equal terms, without subsidies or privileges).

Oh the cynicism! For sooo many years her boss consistently used the now–defunct parrot cartel's political, financial and even judicial leverage to harass competitors while effectively deterring any potential new entrants from venturing into the market.. lucky for them CentAm has never been a level playing field with solid antitrust institutions/legislation, because if it was surely they would have been fined back to the Wright Brothers era many times over.

Quoting mt99 (Reply 99):
Alba has an unlimited funds from the Venezuelan Government. How is that market dynamics?

How about US$100M just to get things rolling.. El CEO de VECA, Edgar Hasbún, detalló que el objetivo de la empresa es forjar un nuevo mercado en el segmento de bajo costo, por lo cual no es su interés competir con las aerolíneas Avianca y Copa, que ahora realizan los vuelos en la región (their goal is to forge a new market in the low–cost segment, not to compete with AV and CM).

• CEO de VECA: Vamos a crear un nuevo mercado (link in Spanish)

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 106):
PTY is rapidly turning into the DXB of the Americas

Lest we get carried away with irrational exuberance, DXB is the world’s second–busiest airport.  




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User currently offlineRCS763AV From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4394 posts, RR: 12
Reply 117, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 9306 times:

Quoting 2travel2know2 (Reply 115):
BOG does have its strong draw: cargo and Colombia population being a couple of them, but IMHO, as a hub operation CM's PTY is quantum leap away from BOG and it's its only major challenging dangerous competitor

No one is denying that PTY is a much more efficient hub operation than BOG, but:

- Even though it serves more destinations, those extra destinations that PTY has are not really a draw for TP services: TAP already covers every major Brazilian city except for GYN, there is not a lot of traffic that's going to come from western US or the small caribbean islands and when it comes to andean community connections, which is what TP will be aiming for, BOG is more centrally located than PTY to serve Peru and Ecuador, and has high numbers of frequencies to those countries too. Domestic destinations in Colombia, which also amount for a chunk of traffic, are much more well served via BOG.

- Again, BOG's O/D is a very, very strong draw that PTY just doesn't have, not just an advantage like having a nicer terminal or some more connections. Last year, BOG served almost 4 times more passengers than PTY did. Many of them domestic, but almost as much as PTY internationally. That is why the panamanian government offers subsidies to airlines who decide to fly to Panama, because the routes take a very long time to become profitable if they ever do as the local market is tiny and CM can only offer so many connections.

Having a tiny market on both ends with very little business or ethnic connections is not a good combination, as double connecting will always loose against non-stop or 1 stop options. That is the case with Panama and Portugal. Yields would be hard to manage.

Even so, I do think that if the panamanian government is willing to throw in enough money into the subsidy, then BOG, MEX and LIM will likely loose the chance of seeing TP next year.

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 106):
PTY is rapidly turning into the DXB of the Americas.

Please let's not compare PTY to DXB! So out of proportion! Can't see how you would associate CM with something like EK either.

Quoting juanchito (Reply 112):
I hope they go daily. AV will start flying with A318 that route. They planned it before with a A319.

There is a shortage of equipment going on in the BOG hub right now, A319 and A330 wise. Many routes got frequency upgrades on A319s last year and two ex MX 19s were retired. That combined with success of CUN (which will flying daily now probably be flown with the A319 that was meant for GUA), are probably the reasons behind the decision. I bet that the A318 will be temporarily on the route to let it mature, but the size of the GUA market, the fact that it's not served non-stop from Colombia and that it's only options to reach south american destinations are MIA, MEX (highly inefficient) and PTY, once more A32S are delivered the route will go back to A319.



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User currently offlinemt99 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 6575 posts, RR: 6
Reply 118, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 9277 times:
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Quoting viaggiare (Reply 116):
Oh the cynicism! For sooo many years her boss consistently used the now–defunct parrot cartel's political, financial and even judicial leverage to harass competitors while effectively deterring any potential new entrants from venturing into the marke

I guess that your world.. two wrongs make a right.

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 116):
How about US$100M just to get things rolling..

Must be nice.. while there is no toilet paper in Venezuela to drop $100M.. i guess that that was the left over money from the "Vice-Ministerio de la Suprema Felicidad"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/mundo/ultimas_n...isterio_suprema_felicidad_az.shtml



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6085 posts, RR: 2
Reply 119, posted (9 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 9237 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 116):
Relief seems to be on the way.. not two, but three start–ups on the horizon.. Vuelos Económicos Centroamericanos (VECA), Ticos Air, and now Ticas Airlines.

Don't forget Alianza



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User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 9
Reply 120, posted (9 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 9055 times:

Today Avianca started nonstop flights between BOG and GUA.
On Monday Aeromexico will start 3 weekly (Monday-Wednesday-Friday) flight between TAP and GUA.

Juanchito



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4460 posts, RR: 4
Reply 121, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 8956 times:

Avianca is changing operations on San Jose Costa Rica - Miami service as shown:


LR 688.........SJO 07:50..........MIA 11:40.............Daily...........E90
LR 689.........MIA 13:10...........SJO 15:00............Daily...........E90
Until: November 13th

AV 005.........SJO 22:05.........MIA 01:55+1...........Daily...........319
AV 004.........MIA 19:30..........SJO 21:20..............Daily...........319
Effective: November 15th

Regards.



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 122, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 8832 times:

Quoting juanchito (Reply 120):
Aeromexico will start 3 weekly (Monday-Wednesday-Friday) flight between TAP and GUA

TAP is México's southernmost airport.. what type of aircraft will be used?



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4460 posts, RR: 4
Reply 123, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8787 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 122):
what type of aircraft will be used?

AeroMexico Connect: ERJ-145.
They deploy the same plane on AM MEX-GUA 21x weekly.

Regards.



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User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 643 posts, RR: 0
Reply 124, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8781 times:
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That is incorrect. MEX-GUA is flown with E-190 aircraft.


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User currently offlineSumma767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2559 posts, RR: 6
Reply 125, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8749 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 121):
Avianca is changing operations on San Jose Costa Rica - Miami service as shown:


LR 688.........SJO 07:50..........MIA 11:40.............Daily...........E90
LR 689.........MIA 13:10...........SJO 15:00............Daily...........E90
Until: November 13th

AV 005.........SJO 22:05.........MIA 01:55+1...........Daily...........319
AV 004.........MIA 19:30..........SJO 21:20..............Daily...........319
Effective: November 15th

Interesting. So MIA-SJO will be a continuation of AV's BOG-MIA flight AV004, and similarly the return leg is SJO-MIA-BOG.
I guess that is good aircraft utilization of an airplane that would otherwise overnight in MIA.
What is not good is the return time in MIA.


User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 126, posted (9 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 8639 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 121):
AV 005.........SJO 22:05.........MIA 01:55+1...........Daily...........319
Quoting Summa767 (Reply 125):
I guess that is good aircraft utilization of an airplane that would otherwise overnight in MIA

Advertising on tray tables, overhead bins, seatback inserts and bulkheads must be right around the corner.  



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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3411 posts, RR: 2
Reply 127, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8553 times:

Ouch 2am arrival in MIA from SJO. Some Ticos won't be happy.


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User currently offlineSkyBird77 From United States of America, joined Sep 2013, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 128, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8538 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 127):
Ouch 2am arrival in MIA from SJO. Some Ticos won't be happy.

I'm sure AA has better arrival options.


User currently offlinejuanchito From Guatemala, joined Nov 2000, 1181 posts, RR: 9
Reply 129, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8474 times:

Aerolineas Sosa will also start flights between SAP, TGU and GUA.




Flights will start on December 9

Juanchito

[Edited 2013-11-04 20:02:43]


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User currently offlineSkyBird77 From United States of America, joined Sep 2013, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 130, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8468 times:

Quoting juanchito (Reply 129):
Aerolineas Sosa will also start flights between SAP, TGU and GUA.

Great to see some activity by a Honduran airline! I know Sosa had a CRJ-200 at some point, but a 900 on the advertisement?


User currently offlineavi8 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 643 posts, RR: 0
Reply 131, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 8448 times:
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Will it be cheap? I truly hope they are competitive. I think AV will just pull the plug on GUA-SAP and GUA-TGU give their lack of interest on P2P


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User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 132, posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8405 times:

Lots of activity on the Guatemala-Honduras front; let's see how they act.


nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6085 posts, RR: 2
Reply 133, posted (9 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8363 times:

Quoting aer (Reply 132):
Lots of activity on the Guatemala-Honduras front; let's see how they act.

More to come....



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User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 134, posted (9 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8336 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 133):

More to come....

Honduras or Guate?



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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3411 posts, RR: 2
Reply 135, posted (9 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8267 times:

Does it require special training to fly into/out of TGU like JNU?


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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6085 posts, RR: 2
Reply 136, posted (9 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 8231 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 135):

Does it require special training to fly into/out of TGU like JNU?

I know the crews from AA, DL and UA do...can't speak for the others.



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User currently offlineSkyBird77 From United States of America, joined Sep 2013, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 137, posted (9 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 8210 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 135):
Does it require special training to fly into/out of TGU

Training and guts! A lot of guts prior to the runway improvements (e.g. the shaving of the hill on the approach path to and extension of runway 02). Back in the late 80's (and up to their bankruptcy) it was something to see Eastern land their 727-200's at TGU.


User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4460 posts, RR: 4
Reply 138, posted (9 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 8190 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 127):
Ouch 2am arrival in MIA from SJO. Some Ticos won't be happy

Grupo Taca lost the game into the MIA-SJO sector many years ago.
In the past 10 years, the former LR SJO-MIA reduced their 14x weekly frequencies to 7x weekly, whereas AA MIA-SJO rose their services up to 28x weekly.
AV SJO-MIA has experienced some operational changes lately:
1. A pure daylight schedule allocation.
2. The proposed AV SJO-MIA allowing the new 02:00 arrival in South Florida.

Regards.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2600 posts, RR: 1
Reply 139, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 8058 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 121):
AV 005.........SJO 22:05.........MIA 01:55+1...........Daily...........319
AV 004.........MIA 19:30..........SJO 21:20..............Daily...........319
Effective: November 15th

MIA-SJO times make a lot of sense, specially if MIA departure moves 2 hours later.
Those SJO-MIA times don't.. Best choices for SJO departure would be: 3 hours later for a red-eyes to MIA (0455h) or 7 hours later for a very early morning SJO 0505h MIA 0855h.
I reckon it looks like AV does have an A319 so many hours at MIA tarmac overnight that flying it to/from SJO may be useful.



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User currently offlinebjorn14 From Norway, joined Feb 2010, 3411 posts, RR: 2
Reply 140, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7952 times:

I read on Flight Global that CM's CEO says the MAX is CM's 'next logical step'.


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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6085 posts, RR: 2
Reply 141, posted (9 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7906 times:

Quoting bjorn14 (Reply 140):
I read on Flight Global that CM's CEO says the MAX is CM's 'next logical step'.

Well since boeing won't be making the 73NG once the Max is in full swing, and it is safe to say that CM will need to replace aircraft / grow, I would say this story is almost like saying "the sun shall rise tomorrow" 



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6085 posts, RR: 2
Reply 142, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 7618 times:

9N commences BZE-RTB on Wednesday (plane will RON)…..first flight looks to be full so that ought to be a good sign.

Since 9N started BZE-SAP fares on the route have plummeted (TA used to charge US$700 R/t) …now they are at $299.09………clearly AV have taken notice of the progress 9N made.

So now pax are faced with equal fares and the choice of a non stop 55 min flight on prop or a 4-5 hour trip via SAL on jet.



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User currently offlineSkyBird77 From United States of America, joined Sep 2013, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 143, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 7574 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 142):
9N commences BZE-RTB on Wednesday (plane will RON)…..first flight looks to be full so that ought to be a good sign.

Is this route marketed more for tourist divers visiting Belize?


Quoting yellowtail (Reply 142):
Since 9N started BZE-SAP fares on the route have plummeted

Is 9N experiencing good yields on this route?


User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6085 posts, RR: 2
Reply 144, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 7573 times:

Quoting SkyBird77 (Reply 143):
Is this route marketed more for tourist divers visiting Belize?

IMHO its more VFR…Roatan has more ties to Belize historically than mainland Honduras….and those ties remain strong….many of the big RTB families (like McNab, Hyde etc have family in Belize)



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User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 145, posted (9 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7254 times:

Quick question, are CM Airlines SAAB a/c TAG's but just leased?


nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6085 posts, RR: 2
Reply 146, posted (9 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7189 times:

Quoting aer (Reply 145):
Quick question, are CM Airlines SAAB a/c TAG's but just leased?

I believe so.



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User currently offlineaer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 147, posted (9 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7081 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 146):
Quoting aer (Reply 145):
Quick question, are CM Airlines SAAB a/c TAG's but just leased?

I believe so.

Odd that they don't want to fly under their own name



nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 148, posted (9 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6910 times:

Saw two IB 346s simultaneously at SJO yesterday (Nov 17) late afternoon. Quite a rare sight, and within feet of each other. EC-JPU had spent the night (tech?) and was joined by EC-JCY later in the day.


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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6085 posts, RR: 2
Reply 149, posted (9 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6776 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 148):
Saw two IB 346s simultaneously at SJO yesterday (Nov 17) late afternoon. Quite a rare sight, and within feet of each other. EC-JPU had spent the night (tech?) and was joined by EC-JCY later in the day.

Is there even enough space of the SJO ramp for two of those long beasts?  

Seriously, SJO is one IB route that would be a perfect fit for a 789….if they ever ordered them



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4460 posts, RR: 4
Reply 150, posted (9 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 6745 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 148):
Saw two IB 346s simultaneously at SJO yesterday (Nov 17) late afternoon

Perhaps SJO was utilized as a diversion plan on any IB MAD-LIM, IB MAD-GUA-SAL-MAD, IB MAD-BOG or so.
Speaking about IB MAD-SJO, the airline has definitely dropped the late departure out of Costa Rica at 23:35. All their 346s are departing back to Europe at 17:45 on a daily basis.

Regards.



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 151, posted (9 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6640 times:

Quoting yellowtail (Reply 149):
Is there even enough space of the SJO ramp for two of those long beasts?

http://www.airliners.net/uf/46799/php0aqseV.jpeg

Not much room to spare, though. 



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 152, posted (9 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6664 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 150):
Perhaps SJO was utilized as a diversion plan on any IB MAD-LIM, IB MAD-GUA-SAL-MAD, IB MAD-BOG or so

I know the aircraft on the left (see image above) was parked in that same spot for at least thirteen hours.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6085 posts, RR: 2
Reply 153, posted (9 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6662 times:

Quoting viaggiare (Reply 151):
Not much room to spare, though.

Yeah, barely enough for the Viaggiare water mark
  



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User currently offlineSJOtoLIR From Costa Rica, joined Jul 2007, 4460 posts, RR: 4
Reply 154, posted (9 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 6585 times:

The United Airlines App displays the seat map configuration in all their flights.
During the last seven days, both UA EWR-SJO and UA IAH-SJO show a load factor above the 90% of occupancy. Practically fully packed flights.

Regards.



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User currently offlineyellowtail From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 6085 posts, RR: 2
Reply 155, posted (9 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6499 times:

Quoting SJOtoLIR (Reply 154):
During the last seven days, both UA EWR-SJO and UA IAH-SJO show a load factor above the 90% of occupancy.

Thats not unusual. actually 90 is a bit low for this time of year.



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User currently offline2travel2know2 From Panama, joined Apr 2010, 2600 posts, RR: 1
Reply 156, posted (9 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 6439 times:

Panama to negotiate new aviation bilaterals from www.prensa.com in Spanish
According to La Prensa today Panama has bilaterals with 26 countries and aviation-related business with another 36.
Panama has only open-skies with Chile, Perú, U.S.A., Guatemala, Curaçao and Nicaragua.
This year aviation agreements were made with France and Portugal. TP is to fly to PTY sometime the 2nd half of next year,
Panama is negotiating open skies with Colombia and Costa Rica and has reached-out Israel,Turkey and Jordan but there's no date as of when formal negotiations will take place with those countries.

I thought Panama already also had open-skies with Cuba and Dominican Republic.
No where in the article there's a hint of a possible PTY-Asia link.



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User currently offlineviaggiare From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2007, 2120 posts, RR: 8
Reply 157, posted