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A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5  
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 16
Posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 50946 times:

Dear members,

As part 4 has become quite long, part 5 has been opened in order for discussion to continue on this topic. Part 4 can be found here:

A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 4 (by LipeGIG Aug 28 2013 in Civil Aviation)

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User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2809 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 50287 times:

AIB50WB will soon taxi, let's see what they are up to. Pictures would be interesting to see the tail protection area   

Non French in France
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 18319 posts, RR: 50
Reply 2, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 50206 times:

AIB50WB airborne at 13:09 UTC and heading north-west.

Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlinemjoelnir From Iceland, joined Feb 2013, 3817 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 50031 times:

I have her take off at 13:05 UTC

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 18319 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 49723 times:


AIB49WB 17/9/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr


AIB50WB 17/9/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlineMadameConcorde From Monaco, joined Feb 2007, 11332 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 49505 times:

Is this the tail of the BA A380 N°2 we see on the picture?
They look so good in BA livery!


There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 18319 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 49451 times:

Yes indeed, that's BA #2.

Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 18319 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 49288 times:

AIB50WB landed 17:33 UTC.

Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 79
Reply 8, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 48502 times:

Doesn't BA already have #2? I thought for some weeks now.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 18319 posts, RR: 50
Reply 9, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 48475 times:

No it was just delivered and should fly to LHR tomorrow. Perhaps you're confused with the 787?

Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 79
Reply 10, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 48456 times:

Perhaps. I knew there were more 787s. I thought the A380s had also been delivering fast.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 18319 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (2 years 8 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 48410 times:

G-XLEB this month and G-XLEC next month.

Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 903 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 45999 times:

AIB51WB is taxiing now

User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 903 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 45996 times:

AIB51WB airborne 6:09 UTC

User currently offlineAircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1936 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 45563 times:

I seem to be totally unable to follow those flights on FR24… 

edit: found it… I had forgotten a filter about my sister's flight coming home…  duck 

[Edited 2013-09-18 00:32:10]

"Make the rules, But break 'em all 'cause you are the best" -Prince
User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2809 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 45396 times:

Quoting Aircellist (Reply 14):
edit: found it… I had forgotten a filter about my sister's flight coming home…   

A very practical fiter is simply "AIB", this shows you all the Airbus flights and the Raccoon will be one of them.

Non French in France
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 18319 posts, RR: 50
Reply 16, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 44756 times:

Someone saw it landing? Must have been around 10:00.

Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlinemjoelnir From Iceland, joined Feb 2013, 3817 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 44720 times:

AIB51WB the Raccoon landed at 10:05.

User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 5802 posts, RR: 41
Reply 18, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 44172 times:
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Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 17):
AIB51WB the Raccoon landed at 10:05.

That would have left time for another test flight. No more for today?

User currently offlinestarbucks From Netherlands, joined Feb 2013, 1224 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 44116 times:

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 18):
That would have left time for another test flight. No more for today?

I was thinking the same...
Maybe they're out in the paint hall having a look at MSN003, it's been said to be in paint since last Wednesday (1 week now) 

Or, maybe she's prepared for VMU at Istres tomorrow  

A350 logbook: http://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AlVgPnmHLOovdFdzbVlyQzhYNDhCb1VFN1RkYXkwV3c&output=html
User currently offlineschwege From Finland, joined Jul 2013, 46 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 43350 times:

AIB52WB took off at 5.05Z - is this a new record?

Not visible anymore, last data point is at 5.23Z some 200 km north-northeast from TLS, alt 25000 ft, 442 kt.

User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 903 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 43274 times:

Quite strange...That's not a pocket where fr24 drops on coverage. I wonder what are they up to?

[Edited 2013-09-18 23:57:51]

User currently offlineFocker From Netherlands, joined Jan 2011, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 43020 times:

It has been off Flight Radar now for nearly 2 hours, as far as I can tell.

Could this have to do with some part of the test program, or is it very uncommon / not allowed to fly without the transponder on?

Might be a silly question, just wondering...

User currently offlineovercast From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 42997 times:

I'd imagine they would be able to stop transmitting only in a military zone, which is where they seems to have disappeared.

Maybe doing some tests they don't want tracked, extreme ends of the speed range springs to mind.

User currently offlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 1467 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (2 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 42907 times:

I wonder if they have spirited the raccoon into Istres for the VMU tests?

25 bobmuc : Are you sure? At least on the FR24 peplay AIB52WB never took off. I think the transponder was switched on for some minutes but they never left the ai
26 ap305 : The replay shows it taking off and climbing to fl250
27 StTim : She is now back on FR24 heading south from up the Alsace region. Strange
28 Speedbored : If I look at FR24 playback, I see it flying for about 20 minutes and disappearing just to the east of Limoges at around 25K feet, heading almost due
29 mjoelnir : She is on FR24 the track starts near Mailly le Camp.[Edited 2013-09-19 01:55:38]
30 packsonflight : Does anybody know of any live webcams in TLS or Istres? I have tried searching for them with no luck.
31 ap305 : She has certainly been up to something. I wonder if there is another base there where VMU tests could have been done.
32 mjoelnir : Châlons Vatry Airport is near were she appears again.
33 schwege : Disappeared again. There seems to be a void in air traffic north of TLS, I'm guessing an FR24 receiver station has gone offline in that area.
34 Scipio : fr24 shows F-WXWB on the ground in Toulouse. No flight number. And while I typed these words, she disappeared...
35 ap305 : AIB53WB is taxiing now
36 Bigsmile : Formation flying day today, so should be interesting.
37 Post contains images ap305 : Yes, she's got company today
38 ap305 : AIB53WB airborne at 12:30 utc with a330 in front and a380 behind
39 KarelXWB : Yeah that's the new A330 testbed in front.
40 Focker : As somebody mentioned on another forum: That must be one of the reasons for the A330 to be painted in the new house colors.
41 freqflyer : Why can't I see the Raccoon anymore ? The other 2 are still visible
42 ap305 : There is some issue with the a350 and fr24 today....she's not showing while the other two are
43 Speedbored : So is this afternoon's flight a photo opportunity? If so, where is the camera plane?
44 KarelXWB : Perhaps they disabled some systems to avoid TCAS alerts.
45 ap305 : Yes and perhaps they are testing the tcas itself. The raccoon is visible again, flying above the big bus.
46 Post contains images EPA001 : It is quite a big bus by itself. . But we all know what you mean. I hope that we will see some nice pictures and hopefully video of this flight.
47 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Tada: Source: http://www.airbus.com/galleries/photo-gallery/
48 Post contains links starbucks : The result: Http://http://twitter.com/jvreymondo.../status/380727414210318337/photo/1 Via @jvreymondon
49 Post contains images EPA001 : Fantastic picture! .
50 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Another view: A350 XWB joins the A330 and A380 for an Airbus “Xtra-widebody” family flight by EADSpics, on Flickr
51 mjoelnir : Touch down AIB53WB at 17:47.
52 Post contains images kmz : Jesus, the A380 needs to grow!
53 KarelXWB : So what times do we use for AIB52WB?
54 mjoelnir : What do we register for the morning flight? Take off was at 05:05. Landing at around 09:30?
55 starbucks : @karel, FR24 playback showed AIB42WB/FWXWB arriving at the flight test center at 0942, i took 9minutes for taxi-in (average) so 0933 landing??
56 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : More pictures from today. AIB53WB 19/9/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr Airbus Industrie Airbus A350-941 F-WXWB cn 001 by Clément Alloing - AirTeamIm
57 Post contains images EPA001 : In due time she will.
58 Post contains images KPDX : Great shots of the formation! Is it me, or does Airbus seem to really enjoy "showing off" their products more than other OEMs, via formations, brandin
59 StTim : AIB54WB up and live on FR24
60 starbucks : AIB54WB is taxiing, just disappeared again near the runway
61 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : There's quite some traffic. AIB54WB airborne at 8:28 UTC.
62 StTim : Take off at 08:28 UTC
63 mjoelnir : AIB54WB the Raccoon take off at 08:27.
64 ap305 : An a330 is just behind her- another photo flight?
65 KarelXWB : No, that's an A330 for Philippine Airlines.
66 starbucks : No, thats just a normal test flight... F-WWKY is MSN 1449 for Pilipine Airlines[Edited 2013-09-20 01:34:58]
67 ap305 : Thanks....Raccoon on another low/slow test flight today from what is seen so far.
68 Asiaflyer : According to the spreadsheet which I have access to, Airbus was targeting 240 hours of test flying by end of Sept. Already now they have accumulated 2
69 KarelXWB : Yeah at this rate MSN1 and MSN3 will have over 1,000 flight hours before the end of the year. They should be careful, or soon they have the jet certif
70 Post contains images Asiaflyer : That's a problem that won't keep them awake at night.
71 StTim : I do not think that once they get to 2,500 they will stop. I feel Airbus desperately want this to be a smooth mature introduction of a new type into s
72 Post contains images starbucks : I guess that is mine I just want to add, this is not a target set by Airbus... Someone here at a.net (don't remember who) calculated that Airbus need
73 KarelXWB : Thanks guys.
74 KarelXWB : Indeed, but they are at 90 hours for September already. Let's assume another 50 hours until the end of the month, that would be 140 hours. A rough ca
75 Aviaponcho : I did :d So nothing official i we are talking about my spreadsheet (btw i struggle to keep the pace of MSN1 flight !) We can compare with 787 (some o
76 Post contains images ap305 : Cruising at fl360 now [Edited 2013-09-20 02:36:42]
77 Post contains images EPA001 : Smooth and steady. . I think your numbers are spot-on. It would be very impressive and positive if they can maintain the current speed of the test pr
78 Post contains images starbucks : I thought it was you indeed, but wasn't sure anymore
79 bobmuc : But compared to the Racoon, MSN003 is very shy, still hiding in the paint hangar!?
80 Post contains links KarelXWB : Airbus released a video of the formation flight: http://videos.airbus.com/video/4d07a791b6as.html
81 StTim : Beat me to it. Great video of the wide body Airbus planes.
82 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : That's a very nice bank. And here's a nice close-up of the left wing:
83 Post contains images EPA001 : Beautiful video.
84 KarelXWB : AIB54WB landed 12:53 UTC.
85 mjoelnir : My count is now after AIB54WB: plain flight time 250 hours, 20 minutes added per flight to simulate block time 268 hours. It should be possible that M
86 Post contains links chuchoteur : also on youtube... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYiov...view&list=UUkfZz95mfqPnzquatVpDTsQ
87 ap305 : Raccoon now heading for its afternoon flight...AIB55WB
88 StTim : Refueled, tyres kicked, crew changed and the Raccoon (AIB55WB) is heading to the runway.
89 KarelXWB : And AIB55WB airborne at 14:13 UTC.
90 ap305 : AIB55WB Airborne 14:14 utc
91 ap305 : After some low speed stuff they have climbed to fl330... They seem to be doing more high/fast work the last few days- Perhaps they are beginning to op
92 ap305 : She went to an area south of Toulouse where fr24 has no coverage.... I am guessing they are doing something at an airport in that area.[Edited 2013-09
93 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Another picture of the formation flight day. Airbus - A330-203 - msn 871 by dn280tls, on Flickr Airbus - A350-941 - msn 001 by dn280tls, on Flickr
94 ap305 : Landed 17:53 and went to the opposite side of the airport from where the test center is located. Perhaps there is a new raccoon in her usual parking s
95 Aircellist : The racoon mask does hide the kinship between the A380's and the A350's cockpit windows. On another matter, it's interesting to observe the differenc
96 mjoelnir : AIB56WB the Raccoon take off at 08:04 UTC.
97 mjoelnir : AIB56WB the Raccoon touch down at 08:04 UTC.
98 Post contains images Focker : That must have been the shortest flight after the Wright brothers?
99 overcast : I hope you meant I think you meant to say touched down at 12:17 UTC
100 mjoelnir : of course 12:17 sorry
101 Post contains images trent900 : All seems to have been very quite over the past couple of days. Anyone with any news? Maybe they're preparing for VMU tests? D.
102 bobmuc : If Sunday + Monday until 7:30 UTC is a "couple of days" for you, then you're right! Maybe the Racoon has a late start today. Big Question is: Where i
103 trent900 : This is the question we all want answered. I took a site tour on Wednesday and there was no sign of MSN03 at all (or MSN01 for that matter). All hang
104 Post contains links KarelXWB : More pictures of the formation flight can be found in this thread. Yeah it's extremely quiet on this one.[Edited 2013-09-23 02:06:51]
105 Bigsmile : MSN003 is out of Paint and out side on the airfield now.
106 KarelXWB : Speaking about the devil .. thanks bigsmile!
107 sturmovik : Awesome news! When do you guys reckon the first flight is gonna be?
108 Post contains images KarelXWB : Now we only need pictures wonder what the registration is I already checked the French aircraft register but nothing in there.
109 Post contains links bobmuc : According to http://bloga350.blogspot.de/ the A350 will fly to Dubai Airshow in November and before that to other Airbus locations within Europe.
110 Post contains images EPA001 : Good news. I am sure you'll be the first one to find them on the net and post them here. For which I guess we all are very grateful.
111 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Airbus today confirmed the 250 flight hours milestone.
112 Post contains images EPA001 : And they are celebrating it with a beautiful picture for us to see. . A great achievement for sure. Now we want to see MSN003 up in the air a.s.a.p.
113 Post contains images starbucks : Great milestone indeed! If I count the hours in my Spreadsheet up until AIB51WB I get to 252hrsAndChange, I guess confirming that Airbus counts block
114 KarelXWB : It was, the slides were compiled on September 19.
115 Post contains images starbucks : Indeed, I just came back to edit my message... Just noticed the presentation was made on the 19th, AIB51WB was flown on the 18th... Disregard my last
116 Post contains links Unflug : J22 has posted an interesting link in the prototype production thread, see reply #136 in this thread: A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 13 (by je
117 Post contains links and images ap305 : From Bloomberg: Airbus Says A330 to Survive a Decade on Long-Haul Discount Sales http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...e-on-long-haul-discount-sales.
118 tortugamon : Wow that was quick. Good for Airbus. tortugamon
119 Post contains images ap305 : Yes indeed- I guess the chances of hearing shrieks of dissatisfaction (at least performance wise) from certain demanding customers are now reducing .
120 Post contains links ap305 : This gets even better....It would appear Leahy has said this during the market forecast event of today in front of a large media gathering. The entire
121 tortugamon : At around the 33:50 minute mark he seems to say that he is flying on a BA flight to Beijing from London. Does that mean he had to fly on a Boeing air
122 KarelXWB : He flies 200 days per year so I think it's unavoidable to fly on Boeing aircraft.
123 Scipio : Why would he not? He should be trying out the competition's products every opportunity he gets...
124 gigneil : In today's world it makes sense to patronize your customers, no matter the product they use to serve you. NS
125 ap305 : I guess he'd probably even walk to China if it meant selling more planes. Getting back to topic, I am surprised the usually sharp aviation media has n
126 tortugamon : Wow. He has always had a reputation as a hard worker but that is another level. With that much flying it would make sense to fly an A319 ACJ but I su
127 ferpe : I am surprised such a key guy for Airbus (perhaps THE key guy) is not flying on an own aircraft. With 200 travel days a year you would really benefit
128 StTim : When he spends time on aircraft I am sure he is getting feedback on his an his competitors products. If he started flying BBJ he would lose a lot of t
129 Post contains images Speedbored : If he started flying BBJ, I suspect that he would lose his job.
130 ap305 : I frankly doubt he can get any more feedback on the competitors product than what he already knows. That BA flight he's talking about is probably the
131 KarelXWB : The story gets better: he never learned to speak French, despite living in France for almost 20 years because "he hasn't had the time". Agreed. He fl
132 abba : Me too. This man in a significant way incorporates in his person some of the very best - and some of the very worst - American culture has to offer A
133 Post contains images EPA001 : Slightly off-topic, but John Leahy is to me the most important person in civil aviation over the last 20+ years. His track record is phenomenal and i
134 ap305 : I suppose msn1 must be in some sort of scheduled maintenance now?. Based on what is seen on fr24, she has not flown since Saturday.
135 ferpe : Yes, make that rebuild for a different type of tests and it is probably what they are doing. I would guess it is for VMU and similar testing at Istre
136 ThunderboltDrgn : Still no pictures of MSN03?
137 knoxibus : Strange, on Monday it was located at the end of the flight test line, next to the "new" A330 and the A340-600, so one should be able to capture her fr
138 Post contains images ferpe : The spotters took her for MSN001 ie old hat perhaps, we need to help them with identification marks .
139 Post contains images KarelXWB : Registration please And why hasn't Airbus released a press release yet.
140 knoxibus : I'll be back in the office only next week so we might it from somebody else before then.
141 Post contains images ferpe : OK guys, so while we discuss the merits of sales vs other functions the Raccoon slinks out of the nest unseen , take-off was 04:28 UTC as AIB57WB, it
142 ap305 : Looks like the initial cruise altitude after a heavy takeoff- What are they up to? Edit: They are now descending to a lower level[Edited 2013-09-25 2
143 ap305 : The Vmu tests might be at some airport near Paris?. Fr24 has no coverage in that area it would appear.
144 Speedbird128 : They will be done at Istres
145 ferpe : I think MSN001 is on the Airbus facilities tour while doing some system testing, Meulte is not far NW of Paris.
146 ferpe : Seems to not be the case, turned south at mid France and is heading back, FL310 and high speed.
147 ap305 : She was in an area south east of Paris for quite some time and at lower altitudes- its just that fr24 could not track her every move.... I am guessing
148 KarelXWB : AIB57WB landed 10:14 UTC. What was the takeoff time?
149 starbucks : 04:30 early this morning
150 Post contains images ferpe : That is the location of CFM at Melun-Villaroche, don't think they landed there to show of the Rollers
151 Post contains images KarelXWB : The raccoon is online with call-sign "ER7". Thanks.
152 ap305 : .I guess this means engine run? and not a flight for today afternoon.[Edited 2013-09-26 07:06:02]
153 travelavnut : Karel, any idea behind the reason of this atypical callsign? Thanks! EDIT: Sounds reasonable; [Edited 2013-09-26 07:24:25]
154 KarelXWB : Indeed, it sounds just like an engine run.
155 Aviaponcho : For MSN3 ? Maybe ? MSN1 will probably not go tu VMU before MSN3 flies
156 ferpe : The ER7 flight was for F-WXWB ie MSN001. IIt might be that the last days ground hugging for MSN001 was for an engine change, then the engine run woul
157 WingedMigrator : They seem to like playing on words... For the A380 it was: F-WWOW (wow) F-WXXL (extra extra large) F-WWDD (Dédé, a stereotypical name for a fat guy
158 Aircellist : Glad to see you again!
159 BoeingVista : F-WXXW Extra, extra wide? Has a symmetry to it.
160 ap305 : AIB58WB airborne at 6:08 UTC
161 ferpe : Anyway, MNS001 becoming an early bird, is already in the air AIB58WB at UTC 06:05 and heading NW at FL150 climbing.
162 Aviaponcho : He flew the same morning ? so 1st an engine change, 2nd a flight, 3nd an engine run ?
163 freqflyer : Did the 'Çoon just buzz MAD or is this just another FR glitch?
164 Post contains images StTim : I saw that but unless they have fitted afterburners to the Trent XWB I strongly suspect a FR glitch
165 Post contains images sturmovik : Yeah, was thinking the same.. the distance and time airborne just doesn't work out.. Has she made any forays into airspace of other countries yet, or
166 StTim : She is staying is staying in home air space at the moment - but the first foreign trips are being planned. A factory tour and then to Dubai for the sh
167 KarelXWB : Nobody knows yet, except for Airbus.
168 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Here's a nice picture of AIB57WB yesterday: AIB57WB 26/9/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr
169 KarelXWB : AIB58WB landed 10:51 UTC.
170 ferpe : So wondered what they did during the ground hog days, there are no external differences what I can see, the wingroot tufting is still there as is the
171 starbucks : They added some kind of "measuring scale" behind the tailskid, but only that wouldn't require that amount of downtime.
172 ap305 : That looks like a patch or doubler of some sort- for the vmu tests perhaps? (the a380 iirc hit beyond the skid plate during its first vmu test)
173 KarelXWB : AIB59WB is visible on FR24.
174 KarelXWB : AIB59WB airborne 13:34 UTC.
175 Post contains images MWHCVT : Almost looks the the A330 that has been flying around for a bit is now flying to intercept probably not but still
176 KarelXWB : I don't think so, that's a Dragonair A330.
177 bobmuc : Already turning back after 25 minutes? Maybe some more touch & gos?
178 KarelXWB : And landed 14:06.
179 Post contains links tortugamon : I thought the current Airbus line on A350 EIS was 2h 2014. For some reason I took that to mean around July/August next year. JL has a quote in this Bl
180 KarelXWB : Second half of the year can be anything between 1 July and 31 December. Just like the first flight they will maintain a large window just in case some
181 StTim : Airbus are trying very hard not to over commit in public. Tests are test and who knows what will be found. Itis great for Airbus (and their customers)
182 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Pictures of today. AIB59WB 27/9/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr AIB58WB 27/9/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr Take-off msn1 27/9/2013 by A380_TLS_A35
183 ferpe : Tail protection fork is gone from yesterday to today, one can wonder what they did yesterday that required it? Otherwise I can spot not changes.
184 KarelXWB : Any idea why MSN1 must wait for MSN3?
185 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : MSN3 registration is F-WZGG. Source http://www.bloga350.blogspot.nl/2013...nd-flight-test-prototype-msn3.html
186 Post contains images schwege : And from now on - every move she makes, every flight she takes... you know
187 ap305 : AIB60WB airborne at 7:09am
188 ap305 : Looks like they are headed back home...second flight in a row seemingly cut short.
189 ap305 : They are now doing more low speed stuff south of tls
190 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Here's AIB59WB from behind: Airbus A350-900 XWB by Curufinwe - David B., on Flickr
191 KarelXWB : And landed 11:04.
192 StTim : The Raccoon landed at 11:04 UTC
193 airmagnac : Just received this cool tip
194 Post contains images MWHCVT : Sorry but that looks more like a TG A330 to me look at the paint on the rear fuselage
195 breiz : With reference to Leahy's latest interview by Bloomberg (linked by Leeham). In order to mature the ac and to smooth service entry, Leahy said that the
196 Post contains images airmagnac : You're probably right, I should have looked closer before posting ; I confused the tail color with the trees/river in the background
197 Post contains images MWHCVT : Still a cool find in any case
198 Post contains images Pihero : The dead give away is from the flap track fairings : 4 per wing on the A333 iso 3 for the A359. One can also look at the winglets. These are diffract
199 StTim : Does anyone know why the Raccoon is hiding at the moment? More test instrument upgrades? Getting ready for vmu?
200 Post contains images Heavierthanair : G'day The Racoonesse, sister aircraft # 3 is also hiding somewhere. Is the paint not yet dry or why else it is collecting dust? Flight testing seems t
201 starbucks : MSN003 can be seen in de picture in Reply #185 Reg is F-WZGG, still thinking about what it means (Like F-WXXL and F-WWDD for the 380 had some logic i
202 KarelXWB : No flight activity means MSN1 is being upgraded with new equipment. This is not new. MSN3 rolled out on September 23 (7 days ago), I think it's fair t
203 Post contains images ferpe : MSN001 did a short taxi run today as T8 at 15:17 UTC . Wonder what they are up to .
204 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Here's the picture: Airbus - A350-941 - 001 by dn280tls, on Flickr
205 Post contains images Aircellist : Taxi only? Not up to much, then
206 Post contains images ferpe : Yeah, it was filed as a taxi ie not an aborted test flight, wonder what they were doing, it seems from the playback they went back to the test center
207 ap305 : AIB61WB airborne at 6:16
208 ferpe : Re the taxi yesterday, why would one do a taxi test? To verify new brakes? Why would one fit new brakes? I would do it if I was going to Vmu or simila
209 starbucks : I believe this is the first time we see her so far East... Flying over Corsica now, with no intentions to turn left/right
210 ap305 : I suspect that the VMU tests are over. Is there any rule that it can only be done at Istres?. Any airport/aibase with a long runway should suffice? Th
211 starbucks : You could be right I guess.. I remember the A380 needed 22 VMU take-offs and multiple new skids. Is that possible in 2 flights? I believe she went da
212 trent900 : This is a very good point. As far as I've seen on the forum, VMU tests should have been completed already but I think we've all been waiting for her
213 ferpe : Tend to agree, I had a careful look at the last Taxi photo and can't see a single change on MSN001 (even the wing-root tufting still remains as does
214 breiz : Although F-WWDD is known to Airbus people as "Dédé ", French abbreviation of "André".
215 KarelXWB : The VMU tests are a very important milestone for the A350 program. I expect a press release soon if those tests indeed were completed last week.
216 StTim : Maybe with the press release announcing the first flight of MSN0003?
217 ferpe : What they are doing right now is internal preparatory tests for the ensuing certification tests. For the A380 they needed to tweak the FBW quite a bi
218 Pihero : Ferpe, the best candidate for these tests would be, without a doubt, Bretigny/Orge - LFPY - or Base aérienne 217. It used to be the first site for t
219 Aviaponcho : Hello Pihero For sure, a widebody hovering over N104 (landing or taking off) would have triggered some tweets / youtube vids or whatever And it seems
220 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : There are more Raccoon™ pictures from yesterday: Airbus Industrie Airbus A350-941 F-WXWB cn 001 by Clément Alloing - AirTeamImages, on Flickr Airbu
221 Scipio : Yes, but it seems that it was already there on September 28. See the picture you posted in post #190 above.
222 Post contains images KarelXWB : AIB61WB landed 14:22 UTC. My mind is a bit
223 ap305 : 8 hrs plus and all of it at cruise....
224 ferpe : Seems like AIB61WB landed at 14:22 UTC
225 Post contains images Scipio : It's OK It wasn't quite as visible in the earlier picture. Nobody here seems to have noticed it, including me. Until I went back after seeing today's
226 ap305 : The a380 took a knock in that area during the first VMU test- it was shown in detail in some documentary. I suspect a hit and a repair patch is not o
227 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : MSN3 is back on the flightline. A350 msn3 3/10/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr
228 Post contains images EPA001 : Hopefully she will fly very soon.
229 Post contains images ferpe : I had not seen it before, it was not there for the formation flying, ie is put there in the last week or so. IMO it is some protection of the surface
230 Post contains images KarelXWB : I have no idea. The first A380 was damaged during the VMU trials and was patched too, perhaps they have damaged our lady.
231 StTim : I remember watching the documentary on the 380 testing and it seemed to me like the design team got the tail skid in the wrong place. Perhaps AB are b
232 mjoelnir : That picture shows how long the A 340-600 is and even the A 350-1000 will not reach her.
233 KarelXWB : True, although the A350-1000 should hold more seats.
234 Post contains images ap305 : The damage (if it is damage) must be very minor since they flew later in the evening of those 2 "mystery" flights. I say again- all this is pure specu
235 Post contains images ferpe : Of course it is speculation, this is 80% of the stuff we write here
236 ap305 : Well here's more speculation for you- could that patch be some sort of tufting? A camera could sit very well inside that hump.
237 ferpe : I doubt that it is tufting = stuff to see the aerodynamic flow. It can very well be a camera background/grid however to see if there is any buckling(
238 Post contains images Aircellist : I had a double take looking at that picture: it is almost like the man on the right has three arms!
239 ferpe : The Raccoon will fly of as AIB61WB soon, just put on the transponder for a while.
240 ferpe : OK, that might be, Wiki.fr says it is basically closed but that might be wrong. I had a look at the playback for the 26th, we loose her over Troyes at
241 ferpe : AIB62WB airborne at 06.12 UTC .
242 Aircellist : AIB62WB, in fact
243 Post contains links KarelXWB : The A350 blog also has a few theories. http://www.bloga350.blogspot.nl/2013...-test-could-be-completed-last.html
244 Aviaponcho : I was thinking that VMU tests needed a lot of ground support ... At least for filming, patching and so on... So It can't be donw unseen ! By the way,
245 Pihero : There are then two candidates with good infratstructure, safety... and discretion : Saint Dizier, but more likely Nancy-Ochey which fits the descent
246 Post contains links queb : Istres http://bloga350.blogspot.ca/2012/12/...il-strike-test-will-be-one-of.html http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwQMXz9PbrY
247 Post contains links ThunderboltDrgn : Is this what you are looking for? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwQMXz9PbrY
248 Pihero : Thanks. It was. I tend to agree with you. I really do not see why the tests - if they've been performed - weren't done at Istres. All the facilities
249 KarelXWB : AIB62WB touch down at 11:11 UTC and passing 300 test hours.
250 mjoelnir : If you take block times yes. If you take pure flight times, take off to touch down, there are still about ten hours missing.
251 starbucks : Since Airbus kind of confirmed that block time is official test time (check Karels post #111 and mine #113) it's not more than logical to say the A35
252 Post contains images francoflier : Here's Sir Sparkalot:
253 StTim : That looks very like a vmu test!
254 Post contains images starbucks : Wow thanks... Confirming Raccoons are b*stards.... Hiding from us when doing interesting stuff [Edited 2013-10-04 05:01:52]
255 KarelXWB : Nice find francoflier!
256 zeke : Airbus has sent us photos of the Vmu tests, unfortunately I am not able to post them due to contractual requirements. Hopefully they will post them s
257 KarelXWB : Any idea about the location?
258 mjoelnir : It is just when Airbus talked about having finished 250 hours, that was flight time at that time. And I agreed that when you talk about block time, t
259 Post contains links and images ferpe : And I think we can see what the black mat was all about, here the A380 test: No smoke without fire is the saying, then no Vmu without sparks and a lo
260 Post contains images Bongodog1964 : Post of the week
261 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Picture of AIB62WB in the fog: AIB62WB 4/10/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr[Edited 2013-10-04 05:38:22]
262 pugman211 : Wow! That pic in post 252 is pretty impressive.
263 Post contains images ap305 : Wow...Iam the next Nostradmus.... Oh wait....I only spoke of something that already happened.,,
264 Aviaponcho : Damned i'm done I was never thinking that this could have been done (VMU tests)
265 ThunderboltDrgn : So any ideas to why they didn't do the tests at Istres?
266 Post contains images KarelXWB : Why not?
267 Aviaponcho : Why ? It's hard to hide those kinds of test But they've done it ! Maybe at your home airport, but it is obviously not TLS ? (it seems to be near a lak
268 Post contains images KarelXWB : True, but perhaps they went to an airport without population. Well, there is a reason why we call her Raccoon Bastard It's certainly not TLS. You can
269 ap305 : On a serious note, Its great to see execution rather than publication... They are just getting on with doing stuff rather than telling everyone about
270 Aviaponcho : Farmland, and maybe water It's on a little hill, next to a gentle valley So ? Must be in France (y Corsica), Spain (not sure ?) , Germany ? (not sure)
271 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : How about Melun Villaroche Aerodrome? http://www.bloga350.blogspot.nl/2013...-test-could-be-completed-last.html
272 Aviaponcho : Vatry At least they've seen the Racoon
273 ap305 : That runway is way too short...
274 ferpe : Fits with the flight path, must be it, it is 3860m long!!! Good catch. Check if they were there on the 26th of September, BTW not needed, MNS001 has
275 KarelXWB : 6,480 ft / 1,975 m I'm not sure how much runway they need.
276 TheRedBaron : This should be like a mantra for a-net... incredible picture...! seems the Raccoon has some "night" activities... TRB
277 KarelXWB : And AIB63WB is online.
278 ferpe : Time for some late day work, AIB63WB is lining up soon. Seems the weather has stopped flying earlier today.
279 Aircellist : Is flight 63 online really? I don't see it…
280 ap305 : The transponder was on a couple of times since 1pm (utc) or so.... I guess its either the poor weather or possibly some bug which is holding up the ev
281 Post contains links KarelXWB : David K from Flightglobal seems to agree with you, although I'm not sure if he had confirmed this with Airbus. http://twitter.com/FlightDKM/status/38
282 Post contains images Aviaponcho : Karel, Official twitter count of Paris vatry answered my question a350 was in vatry... And it seems more than possible looking at the photo... Very ni
283 Aviaponcho : And msn3 engines have smoked today... So... First flight is not far now[Edited 2013-10-04 13:58:25]
284 KarelXWB : What is smocked? I assume smoking, so engines were started today?
285 Aviaponcho : Sorry smoked Yes engine start...
286 KarelXWB : Thanks poncho. Guess we might see her at BIKINI tomorrow or Monday to apply full engine thrust.
287 Post contains images starbucks : Had to look it up but MSN1 was fired up for the first time on June 2nd and First flew June 14th (as we all know ) Hopefully MSN3 will be a bit quicke
288 KarelXWB : MSN3 should be quicker, ground tests took also less time than MSN1.
289 ferpe : He did not, Karel is our mega photo fixer but this time it was Francoflier who gave it to us:
290 Post contains links zeke : There is some footage on Youtube around that airport as well....... http://youtu.be/nA2wC-8Sgt0[Edited 2013-10-04 19:36:31]
291 Asiaflyer : Looks like they took it a little easier with the Raccon than with the A380. Wasn't much left of the tail skid after F-WWOW did the test.
292 starbucks : Looks like we all missed her... Had to check back via playback AIB63WB take off 08:27UTC, currently South of Toulouse 4000ft 280kts
293 Post contains images KarelXWB : MSN3 was also visible on FR24.
294 Post contains images starbucks : For a while I thought "Do they have the "balls" to turn around and complete the drawing" :P
295 Post contains images schwege : The young Raccoon is at least as sneaky as it's older sister, hiding it's registration from the transmission! Well, it wasn't a big fix to be able to
296 KarelXWB : @schwege FR24 needs to update its database. Expect this to happen in the coming days.
297 Post contains images starbucks : Raccoons are B*stards!!
298 Post contains images schwege : I thought it's part of the ADS-B transmission, but now that you say that, it makes perfect sense. There's no reason for the transmission to include a
299 KarelXWB : AIB63WB touch down at 13:21 UTC.
300 Post contains links KarelXWB : MSN3 being towed: http://youtu.be/qlVBPY-nSdM
301 Post contains links LipeGIG : As this become too long, we opened a new thread (Part 6) so discussion can continue Link to the next thread A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 6 (
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