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A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5  
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Posted (11 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 48758 times:
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As part 4 has become quite long, part 5 has been opened in order for discussion to continue on this topic. Part 4 can be found here:

A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 4 (by LipeGIG Aug 28 2013 in Civil Aviation)

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User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2803 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (11 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 48099 times:

AIB50WB will soon taxi, let's see what they are up to. Pictures would be interesting to see the tail protection area   


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 2, posted (11 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 48018 times:

AIB50WB airborne at 13:09 UTC and heading north-west.


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User currently offlinemjoelnir From Iceland, joined Feb 2013, 1432 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (11 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 47843 times:

I have her take off at 13:05 UTC

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 4, posted (11 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 47535 times:

AIB49WB


AIB49WB 17/9/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

AIB50WB


AIB50WB 17/9/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 10893 posts, RR: 37
Reply 5, posted (11 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 47317 times:

Is this the tail of the BA A380 N°2 we see on the picture?
They look so good in BA livery!

     



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 6, posted (11 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 47263 times:

Yes indeed, that's BA #2.


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 7, posted (11 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 47099 times:

AIB50WB landed 17:33 UTC.


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User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 8, posted (11 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 46314 times:

Doesn't BA already have #2? I thought for some weeks now.

NS


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 9, posted (11 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 46287 times:

No it was just delivered and should fly to LHR tomorrow. Perhaps you're confused with the 787?


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User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 10, posted (11 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 46268 times:

Perhaps. I knew there were more 787s. I thought the A380s had also been delivering fast.

NS


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 11, posted (11 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 46222 times:

G-XLEB this month and G-XLEC next month.


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User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 43811 times:

AIB51WB is taxiing now

User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (11 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 43808 times:

AIB51WB airborne 6:09 UTC

User currently offlineAircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (11 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 43375 times:

I seem to be totally unable to follow those flights on FR24… 

edit: found it… I had forgotten a filter about my sister's flight coming home…  duck 

[Edited 2013-09-18 00:32:10]

User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2803 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (11 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 43208 times:

Quoting Aircellist (Reply 14):
edit: found it… I had forgotten a filter about my sister's flight coming home…   

A very practical fiter is simply "AIB", this shows you all the Airbus flights and the Raccoon will be one of them.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 16, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 42568 times:

Someone saw it landing? Must have been around 10:00.


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User currently offlinemjoelnir From Iceland, joined Feb 2013, 1432 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 42532 times:

AIB51WB the Raccoon landed at 10:05.

User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4723 posts, RR: 39
Reply 18, posted (11 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 41984 times:
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Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 17):
AIB51WB the Raccoon landed at 10:05.

That would have left time for another test flight. No more for today?


User currently offlinestarbucks From Netherlands, joined Feb 2013, 708 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (11 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 41928 times:

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 18):
That would have left time for another test flight. No more for today?

I was thinking the same...
Maybe they're out in the paint hall having a look at MSN003, it's been said to be in paint since last Wednesday (1 week now) 

Or, maybe she's prepared for VMU at Istres tomorrow  



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User currently offlineschwege From Finland, joined Jul 2013, 45 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 41162 times:

AIB52WB took off at 5.05Z - is this a new record?

Not visible anymore, last data point is at 5.23Z some 200 km north-northeast from TLS, alt 25000 ft, 442 kt.


User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 41086 times:

Quite strange...That's not a pocket where fr24 drops on coverage. I wonder what are they up to?

[Edited 2013-09-18 23:57:51]

User currently offlineFocker From Netherlands, joined Jan 2011, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 40832 times:

It has been off Flight Radar now for nearly 2 hours, as far as I can tell.

Could this have to do with some part of the test program, or is it very uncommon / not allowed to fly without the transponder on?

Might be a silly question, just wondering...


User currently offlineovercast From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 40809 times:

I'd imagine they would be able to stop transmitting only in a military zone, which is where they seems to have disappeared.

Maybe doing some tests they don't want tracked, extreme ends of the speed range springs to mind.


User currently onlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 738 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 40719 times:

I wonder if they have spirited the raccoon into Istres for the VMU tests?

User currently offlinebobmuc From Germany, joined Nov 2011, 406 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 40843 times:

Quoting schwege (Reply 20):
AIB52WB took off at 5.05Z

Are you sure? At least on the FR24 peplay AIB52WB never took off. I think the transponder was switched on for some minutes but they never left the airport.


User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 40794 times:

Quoting bobmuc (Reply 25):
Are you sure? At least on the FR24 peplay AIB52WB never took off. I think the transponder was switched on for some minutes but they never left the airport.

The replay shows it taking off and climbing to fl250


User currently onlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 738 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 41275 times:

She is now back on FR24 heading south from up the Alsace region.

Strange


User currently offlineSpeedbored From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2013, 275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 41267 times:

Quoting bobmuc (Reply 25):
At least on the FR24 peplay AIB52WB never took off.

If I look at FR24 playback, I see it flying for about 20 minutes and disappearing just to the east of Limoges at around 25K feet, heading almost due north.


User currently offlinemjoelnir From Iceland, joined Feb 2013, 1432 posts, RR: 2
Reply 29, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 41269 times:

She is on FR24 the track starts near Mailly le Camp.

[Edited 2013-09-19 01:55:38]

User currently offlinepacksonflight From Iceland, joined Jan 2010, 379 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 41264 times:

Quoting StTim (Reply 24):
I wonder if they have spirited the raccoon into Istres for the VMU tests?

Does anybody know of any live webcams in TLS or Istres?
I have tried searching for them with no luck.


User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 41272 times:

She has certainly been up to something. I wonder if there is another base there where VMU tests could have been done.

User currently offlinemjoelnir From Iceland, joined Feb 2013, 1432 posts, RR: 2
Reply 32, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 41233 times:

Châlons Vatry Airport is near were she appears again.

User currently offlineschwege From Finland, joined Jul 2013, 45 posts, RR: 1
Reply 33, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 41096 times:

Disappeared again. There seems to be a void in air traffic north of TLS, I'm guessing an FR24 receiver station has gone offline in that area.

User currently offlineScipio From Belgium, joined Oct 2007, 874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 34, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 40977 times:

fr24 shows F-WXWB on the ground in Toulouse. No flight number.

And while I typed these words, she disappeared...


User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 40632 times:

AIB53WB is taxiing now

User currently offlineBigsmile From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 165 posts, RR: 4
Reply 36, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 40535 times:

Formation flying day today, so should be interesting.

User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 40539 times:

Yes, she's got company today 

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Reply 38, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 40436 times:

AIB53WB airborne at 12:30 utc with a330 in front and a380 behind

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 39, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 40450 times:

Yeah that's the new A330 testbed in front.


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User currently offlineFocker From Netherlands, joined Jan 2011, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 40418 times:

As somebody mentioned on another forum:

That must be one of the reasons for the A330 to be painted in the new house colors.


User currently offlinefreqflyer From India, joined Apr 2006, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 40398 times:

Why can't I see the Raccoon anymore ? The other 2 are still visible

User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 40385 times:

There is some issue with the a350 and fr24 today....she's not showing while the other two are

User currently offlineSpeedbored From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2013, 275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 40372 times:

So is this afternoon's flight a photo opportunity? If so, where is the camera plane?

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 44, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 40164 times:

Quoting ap305 (Reply 42):
There is some issue with the a350 and fr24 today....she's not showing while the other two are

Perhaps they disabled some systems to avoid TCAS alerts.



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User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 40258 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 44):

Perhaps they disabled some systems to avoid TCAS alerts.

Yes and perhaps they are testing the tcas itself. The raccoon is visible again, flying above the big bus.


User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4723 posts, RR: 39
Reply 46, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 40086 times:
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Quoting ap305 (Reply 45):
flying above the big bus.

It is quite a big bus by itself.  . But we all know what you mean. I hope that we will see some nice pictures and hopefully video of this flight.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 47, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 39821 times:

Tada:

http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/media_gallery/photogallery/big/800x600_1379599831_Airbus_formation_flight_A330_A350XWB_A380.jpg

Source: http://www.airbus.com/galleries/photo-gallery/



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User currently offlinestarbucks From Netherlands, joined Feb 2013, 708 posts, RR: 6
Reply 48, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 39773 times:

The result:

Http://http://twitter.com/jvreymondo.../status/380727414210318337/photo/1

Via @jvreymondon



A350 logbook: http://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AlVgPnmHLOovdFdzbVlyQzhYNDhCb1VFN1RkYXkwV3c&output=html
User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4723 posts, RR: 39
Reply 49, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 39713 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 47):
Tada:

Fantastic picture!  .


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 50, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 39589 times:

Another view:


A350 XWB joins the A330 and A380 for an Airbus “Xtra-widebody” family flight by EADSpics, on Flickr



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User currently offlinemjoelnir From Iceland, joined Feb 2013, 1432 posts, RR: 2
Reply 51, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 39331 times:

Touch down AIB53WB at 17:47.

User currently offlinekmz From Germany, joined Feb 2008, 161 posts, RR: 2
Reply 52, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 39371 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 47):
Tada:

Jesus, the A380 needs to grow!  


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 53, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 39323 times:

So what times do we use for AIB52WB?


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User currently offlinemjoelnir From Iceland, joined Feb 2013, 1432 posts, RR: 2
Reply 54, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 39246 times:

What do we register for the morning flight?

Take off was at 05:05.
Landing at around 09:30?


User currently offlinestarbucks From Netherlands, joined Feb 2013, 708 posts, RR: 6
Reply 55, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 39247 times:

@karel, FR24 playback showed AIB42WB/FWXWB arriving at the flight test center at 0942, i took 9minutes for taxi-in (average) so 0933 landing??


A350 logbook: http://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AlVgPnmHLOovdFdzbVlyQzhYNDhCb1VFN1RkYXkwV3c&output=html
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 56, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 39317 times:

More pictures from today.


AIB53WB 19/9/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr


Airbus Industrie Airbus A350-941 F-WXWB cn 001 by Clément Alloing - AirTeamImages, on Flickr


Airbus Industrie Airbus A350-941 F-WXWB cn 001 by Clément Alloing - AirTeamImages, on Flickr

And here, behind the BA A380, lining-up for a formation flight:


Delivery center msn121 G-XLEB 19/9/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr



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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4723 posts, RR: 39
Reply 57, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 39241 times:
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Quoting kmz (Reply 52):
the A380 needs to grow!

In due time she will.  


User currently onlineKPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2741 posts, RR: 2
Reply 58, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 39274 times:

Great shots of the formation!

Is it me, or does Airbus seem to really enjoy "showing off" their products more than other OEMs, via formations, branding, marketing on the plane, etc? It seems they are more into that than the others.   



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User currently onlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 738 posts, RR: 0
Reply 59, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 38400 times:

AIB54WB up and live on FR24

User currently offlinestarbucks From Netherlands, joined Feb 2013, 708 posts, RR: 6
Reply 60, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 38411 times:

AIB54WB is taxiing, just disappeared again near the runway


A350 logbook: http://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AlVgPnmHLOovdFdzbVlyQzhYNDhCb1VFN1RkYXkwV3c&output=html
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 61, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 38407 times:

There's quite some traffic.

http://oi39.tinypic.com/eupmvq.jpg

AIB54WB airborne at 8:28 UTC.



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User currently onlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 738 posts, RR: 0
Reply 62, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 38393 times:

Take off at 08:28 UTC

User currently offlinemjoelnir From Iceland, joined Feb 2013, 1432 posts, RR: 2
Reply 63, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 38406 times:

AIB54WB the Raccoon take off at 08:27.

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Reply 64, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 38412 times:

An a330 is just behind her- another photo flight?

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 65, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 38397 times:

Quoting ap305 (Reply 64):
An a330 is just behind her- another photo flight?

No, that's an A330 for Philippine Airlines.



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User currently offlinestarbucks From Netherlands, joined Feb 2013, 708 posts, RR: 6
Reply 66, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 38395 times:

Quoting ap305 (Reply 64):
An a330 is just behind her- another photo flight?

No, thats just a normal test flight...

F-WWKY is MSN 1449 for Pilipine Airlines

[Edited 2013-09-20 01:34:58]


A350 logbook: http://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AlVgPnmHLOovdFdzbVlyQzhYNDhCb1VFN1RkYXkwV3c&output=html
User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 67, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 38358 times:

Thanks....Raccoon on another low/slow test flight today from what is seen so far.

User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 68, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 38385 times:

According to the spreadsheet which I have access to, Airbus was targeting 240 hours of test flying by end of Sept. Already now they have accumulated 264 hours, and on pace to reach 300 before end of month. Is Airbus trying to speed the test program up?
Very impressive performance so far.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 69, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 38396 times:

Yeah at this rate MSN1 and MSN3 will have over 1,000 flight hours before the end of the year. They should be careful, or soon they have the jet certified before the production has ramped-up (although that would be more like a luxury).


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User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 70, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 38364 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 69):

That's a problem that won't keep them awake at night.  



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User currently onlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 738 posts, RR: 0
Reply 71, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 38392 times:

I do not think that once they get to 2,500 they will stop. I feel Airbus desperately want this to be a smooth mature introduction of a new type into service. So far they do seem on target to acheive that - but there is still a long way to go.

What is quite obvious is that whatever they are finding is not requireing major workshop time.


User currently offlinestarbucks From Netherlands, joined Feb 2013, 708 posts, RR: 6
Reply 72, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 38391 times:

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 68):
According to the spreadsheet which I have access to, Airbus was targeting 240 hours of test flying by end of Sept.

I guess that is mine  

I just want to add, this is not a target set by Airbus... Someone here at a.net (don't remember who) calculated that Airbus needs to achieve about 80hrs per month/per plane to fly the 2500 hours set in the campaign in 12 months...

Nothing official about those numbers in my spreadsheet, just a guide to see if we're somewhat on schedule...



A350 logbook: http://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AlVgPnmHLOovdFdzbVlyQzhYNDhCb1VFN1RkYXkwV3c&output=html
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 73, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 38347 times:

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 54):
Take off was at 05:05.
Landing at around 09:30?
Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 54):
@karel, FR24 playback showed AIB42WB/FWXWB arriving at the flight test center at 0942, i took 9minutes for taxi-in (average) so 0933 landing??

Thanks guys.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 74, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 38377 times:

Quoting starbucks (Reply 72):
Airbus needs to achieve about 80hrs per month/per plane to fly the 2500 hours set in the campaign in 12 months...

Nothing official about those numbers in my spreadsheet, just a guide to see if we're somewhat on schedule...

Indeed, but they are at 90 hours for September already. Let's assume another 50 hours until the end of the month, that would be 140 hours.

A rough calculation gives me 140 hours per month * 3 months left (October, November, December) * 2 frames (MSN1 and 3) = 840 + 300 hours (before the end of this month) = 1140 hours before the end of the year.



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User currently offlineAviaponcho From France, joined Aug 2011, 613 posts, RR: 8
Reply 75, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 38371 times:

Quoting starbucks (Reply 72):

I did :d
So nothing official i we are talking about my spreadsheet (btw i struggle to keep the pace of MSN1 flight !)
We can compare with 787 (some one provided the link 2-3 weeks ago), having in mind that the flight test fleet of 787 was "grounded" in the final stage of the preparation of the flight due to the Side of body problems ... and so was supposed to be fine tuned during this delay ... so 787 flight test pace is indeed a good reference


User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 76, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 38241 times:

Quoting ap305 (Reply 67):
Thanks....Raccoon on another low/slow test flight today from what is seen so far.

Cruising at fl360 now
 

[Edited 2013-09-20 02:36:42]

User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4723 posts, RR: 39
Reply 77, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 38404 times:
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Quoting ap305 (Reply 76):
Cruising at fl360 now

Smooth and steady.  .

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 74):
A rough calculation gives me 140 hours per month * 3 months left (October, November, December) * 2 frames (MSN1 and 3) = 840 + 300 hours (before the end of this month) = 1140 hours before the end of the year.

I think your numbers are spot-on. It would be very impressive and positive if they can maintain the current speed of the test program. Even with the next A350's entering the test fleet.


User currently offlinestarbucks From Netherlands, joined Feb 2013, 708 posts, RR: 6
Reply 78, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 38354 times:

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 75):
I did :d

I thought it was you indeed, but wasn't sure anymore  



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User currently offlinebobmuc From Germany, joined Nov 2011, 406 posts, RR: 0
Reply 79, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 38213 times:

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 77):
Even with the next A350's entering the test fleet.

But compared to the Racoon, MSN003 is very shy, still hiding in the paint hangar!?


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 80, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 38001 times:

Airbus released a video of the formation flight:

http://videos.airbus.com/video/4d07a791b6as.html



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User currently onlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 738 posts, RR: 0
Reply 81, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 37933 times:

Beat me to it. Great video of the wide body Airbus planes.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 82, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 37983 times:

That's a very nice bank.

http://oi43.tinypic.com/14ybitw.jpg

And here's a nice close-up of the left wing:




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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4723 posts, RR: 39
Reply 83, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 37868 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 80):
Airbus released a video of the formation flight:

http://videos.airbus.com/video/4d07a....html

Beautiful video.  


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 84, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 37665 times:

AIB54WB landed 12:53 UTC.


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User currently offlinemjoelnir From Iceland, joined Feb 2013, 1432 posts, RR: 2
Reply 85, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 37643 times:

My count is now after AIB54WB: plain flight time 250 hours, 20 minutes added per flight to simulate block time 268 hours.

It should be possible that MSN 1 reaches 300 hours before end of September.

[Edited 2013-09-20 06:06:03]

User currently offlinechuchoteur From France, joined Sep 2006, 763 posts, RR: 0
Reply 86, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 37584 times:

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 83):
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 80):
Airbus released a video of the formation flight:

http://videos.airbus.com/video/4d07a....html

Beautiful video.

also on youtube...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYiov...view&list=UUkfZz95mfqPnzquatVpDTsQ


User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 87, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 37414 times:

Raccoon now heading for its afternoon flight...AIB55WB

User currently onlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 738 posts, RR: 0
Reply 88, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 37436 times:

Refueled, tyres kicked, crew changed and the Raccoon (AIB55WB) is heading to the runway.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 89, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 37426 times:

And AIB55WB airborne at 14:13 UTC.


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User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 90, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 37425 times:

AIB55WB Airborne 14:14 utc

User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 91, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 37256 times:

After some low speed stuff they have climbed to fl330... They seem to be doing more high/fast work the last few days- Perhaps they are beginning to optimize the differential flap system?

User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 92, posted (11 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 36902 times:

She went to an area south of Toulouse where fr24 has no coverage.... I am guessing they are doing something at an airport in that area.

[Edited 2013-09-20 10:32:54]

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 93, posted (11 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 36931 times:

Another picture of the formation flight day.


Airbus - A330-203 - msn 871 by dn280tls, on Flickr


Airbus - A350-941 - msn 001 by dn280tls, on Flickr



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User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 94, posted (11 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 36761 times:

Landed 17:53 and went to the opposite side of the airport from where the test center is located. Perhaps there is a new raccoon in her usual parking spot?
Edit: She's back at the test center now.

[Edited 2013-09-20 11:11:32]

User currently offlineAircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 8
Reply 95, posted (11 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 36244 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 93):
Another picture of the formation flight day.

The racoon mask does hide the kinship between the A380's and the A350's cockpit windows.

On another matter, it's interesting to observe the difference of the A330's and A350's front wing-to-body junction as well…
The A350's seems to be more sculptured downward. And the leading edge is much more pointed than the A380's.


User currently offlinemjoelnir From Iceland, joined Feb 2013, 1432 posts, RR: 2
Reply 96, posted (11 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 35848 times:

AIB56WB the Raccoon take off at 08:04 UTC.

User currently offlinemjoelnir From Iceland, joined Feb 2013, 1432 posts, RR: 2
Reply 97, posted (11 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 35382 times:

AIB56WB the Raccoon touch down at 08:04 UTC.

User currently offlineFocker From Netherlands, joined Jan 2011, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 98, posted (11 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 35381 times:

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 96):
AIB56WB the Raccoon take off at 08:04 UTC.
Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 97):
AIB56WB the Raccoon touch down at 08:04 UTC.

That must have been the shortest flight after the Wright brothers? 


User currently offlineovercast From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 99, posted (11 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 35152 times:

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 97):

I hope you meant

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 97):
AIB56WB the Raccoon touch down at 08:04 UTC.

I think you meant to say touched down at 12:17 UTC


User currently offlinemjoelnir From Iceland, joined Feb 2013, 1432 posts, RR: 2
Reply 100, posted (11 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 34815 times:

Quoting overcast (Reply 99):
Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 97):

I hope you meant

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 97):
AIB56WB the Raccoon touch down at 08:04 UTC.

I think you meant to say touched down at 12:17 UTC

of course 12:17 sorry


User currently offlinetrent900 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 528 posts, RR: 0
Reply 101, posted (11 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 33732 times:

All seems to have been very quite over the past couple of days. Anyone with any news?

Maybe they're preparing for VMU tests?  

D.


User currently offlinebobmuc From Germany, joined Nov 2011, 406 posts, RR: 0
Reply 102, posted (11 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 33962 times:

Quoting trent900 (Reply 101):
All seems to have been very quite over the past couple of days.

If Sunday + Monday until 7:30 UTC is a "couple of days" for you, then you're right! Maybe the Racoon has a late start today.

Big Question is: Where is MSN003? Since 1 1/2 week in the paint hangar?


User currently offlinetrent900 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 528 posts, RR: 0
Reply 103, posted (11 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 33913 times:

Quoting bobmuc (Reply 102):
Big Question is: Where is MSN003? Since 1 1/2 week in the paint hangar?

This is the question we all want answered.

I took a site tour on Wednesday and there was no sign of MSN03 at all (or MSN01 for that matter). All hangars where closed from peeking eyes!

D.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 104, posted (11 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 33717 times:

More pictures of the formation flight can be found in this thread.

Quoting bobmuc (Reply 102):
Big Question is: Where is MSN003? Since 1 1/2 week in the paint hangar?

Yeah it's extremely quiet on this one.

[Edited 2013-09-23 02:06:51]


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User currently offlineBigsmile From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 165 posts, RR: 4
Reply 105, posted (11 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 33644 times:

MSN003 is out of Paint and out side on the airfield now.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 106, posted (11 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 33610 times:

Speaking about the devil .. thanks bigsmile!


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User currently offlinesturmovik From India, joined May 2007, 509 posts, RR: 0
Reply 107, posted (11 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 33536 times:

Quoting Bigsmile (Reply 105):
MSN003 is out of Paint and out side on the airfield now.

Awesome news! When do you guys reckon the first flight is gonna be?



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 108, posted (11 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 33528 times:

Now we only need pictures    wonder what the registration is    I already checked the French aircraft register but nothing in there.


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User currently offlinebobmuc From Germany, joined Nov 2011, 406 posts, RR: 0
Reply 109, posted (11 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 33482 times:

According to http://bloga350.blogspot.de/ the A350 will fly to Dubai Airshow in November and before that to other Airbus locations within Europe.

User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4723 posts, RR: 39
Reply 110, posted (11 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 32904 times:
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Quoting Bigsmile (Reply 105):
MSN003 is out of Paint and out side on the airfield now.

Good news.  
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 108):
Now we only need pictures

I am sure you'll be the first one to find them on the net and post them here.   For which I guess we all are very grateful.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 111, posted (11 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 31964 times:

Airbus today confirmed the 250 flight hours milestone.

http://oi43.tinypic.com/2jb05tk.jpg



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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4723 posts, RR: 39
Reply 112, posted (11 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 31713 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 111):
Airbus today confirmed the 250 flight hours milestone.

And they are celebrating it with a beautiful picture for us to see.  . A great achievement for sure. Now we want to see MSN003 up in the air a.s.a.p.


User currently offlinestarbucks From Netherlands, joined Feb 2013, 708 posts, RR: 6
Reply 113, posted (11 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 31536 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 111):
Airbus today confirmed the 250 flight hours milestone.

Great milestone indeed!  

If I count the hours in my Spreadsheet up until AIB51WB I get to 252hrsAndChange, I guess confirming that Airbus counts block time as official test time..

Surprised that they said only 251 and 51 flights whilst we're up to AIB56WB by today... But maybe the presentation was made earlier (Likely)  



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 114, posted (11 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 31523 times:

Quoting starbucks (Reply 113):
But maybe the presentation was made earlier (Likely)

It was, the slides were compiled on September 19.



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User currently offlinestarbucks From Netherlands, joined Feb 2013, 708 posts, RR: 6
Reply 115, posted (11 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 31490 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 114):
It was, the slides were compiled on September 19.

Indeed, I just came back to edit my message...  
Just noticed the presentation was made on the 19th, AIB51WB was flown on the 18th...

Disregard my last transmission  



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User currently offlineUnflug From Germany, joined Jan 2012, 475 posts, RR: 2
Reply 116, posted (11 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 31193 times:

J22 has posted an interesting link in the prototype production thread, see reply #136 in this thread:

A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 13 (by jetblueguy22 Aug 15 2013 in Civil Aviation)

The president of Oracle claims that better and faster data analyses is speeding up testing by a factor of 6: only 1 day needed to analyze the results of a test flight instead of 6 days, according to him.

I'm sure he is exaggerating, but to which extent? How relevant is IT as a contributor to the A350 testing campaign? Obviously until now they haven't found anything significant needing a fix. But even then the number of flights is astonishing.


User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 117, posted (11 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 30950 times:

From Bloomberg:

Airbus Says A330 to Survive a Decade on Long-Haul Discount Sales

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...e-on-long-haul-discount-sales.html


What does this have to do with the a350 flight tests you ask?

Well here is the interesting little bit from that article  

"Airbus is developing the A350 to replace the A330 and the four-engine A340, with the initial version, the -900, completing its first flight in June. The plane has met its performance specification in flight trials so far, Leahy said. "


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3443 posts, RR: 10
Reply 118, posted (11 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 30783 times:

Wow that was quick. Good for Airbus.

tortugamon


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Reply 119, posted (11 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 30714 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 118):
Wow that was quick. Good for Airbus.

Yes indeed- I guess the chances of hearing shrieks of dissatisfaction (at least performance wise) from certain demanding customers are now reducing   . Combined with the maturity the aircraft seems to be showing, this is good news. They still have some ways to go with the testing of course but the fact that Leahy would say this at such an early stage is encouraging.

[Edited 2013-09-24 11:29:07]

[Edited 2013-09-24 11:30:44]

User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 120, posted (11 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 30585 times:

This gets even better....It would appear Leahy has said this during the market forecast event of today in front of a large media gathering. The entire forecast presentation is available at Airbus's youtube channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSrKZ...view&list=UUkfZz95mfqPnzquatVpDTsQ

Leahy starts talking about the a350 around the 27 minute mark.

[Edited 2013-09-24 12:27:23]

[Edited 2013-09-24 12:44:54]

User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3443 posts, RR: 10
Reply 121, posted (11 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 30437 times:

Quoting ap305 (Reply 120):

At around the 33:50 minute mark he seems to say that he is flying on a BA flight to Beijing from London. Does that mean he had to fly on a Boeing aircraft? Has anyone heard of a Boeing/Airbus policy to fly their aircraft? I imagine they all try but I am surprised to hear a high profile guy admit publicly that he is not. Its immaterial of course.

tortugamon


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 122, posted (11 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 30380 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 121):
At around the 33:50 minute mark he seems to say that he is flying on a BA flight to Beijing from London. Does that mean he had to fly on a Boeing aircraft? Has anyone heard of a Boeing/Airbus policy to fly their aircraft? I imagine they all try but I am surprised to hear a high profile guy admit publicly that he is not. Its immaterial of course.

He flies 200 days per year so I think it's unavoidable to fly on Boeing aircraft.



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User currently offlineScipio From Belgium, joined Oct 2007, 874 posts, RR: 10
Reply 123, posted (11 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 30350 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 122):
He flies 200 days per year so I think it's unavoidable to fly on Boeing aircraft.

Why would he not? He should be trying out the competition's products every opportunity he gets...


User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 124, posted (11 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 30342 times:

In today's world it makes sense to patronize your customers, no matter the product they use to serve you.

NS


User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 125, posted (11 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 30329 times:

I guess he'd probably even walk to China if it meant selling more planes. Getting back to topic, I am surprised the usually sharp aviation media has not picked up on the a350 performance news. This is not something exactly insignificant.

User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3443 posts, RR: 10
Reply 126, posted (11 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 30347 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 122):
He flies 200 days per year

Wow. He has always had a reputation as a hard worker but that is another level. With that much flying it would make sense to fly an A319 ACJ but I suspect gigneil is right and he wants to patronize his customer's products.

tortugamon


User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2803 posts, RR: 59
Reply 127, posted (11 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 30488 times:

I am surprised such a key guy for Airbus (perhaps THE key guy) is not flying on an own aircraft. With 200 travel days a year you would really benefit from a flying office with all your usual stuff around you and a shower and bed to sleep in. I can imagine many other people flying corporate jets being less important and worthy of it.

I am also impressed with his attitude, he has met these journalists since 20-30 years, early they did not believe him when ha said Airbus would be successful yet he proved that he had the power to pull it through. Still he is modest and attentive, answering every question politely, I'm impressed.



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User currently onlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 738 posts, RR: 0
Reply 128, posted (11 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 30470 times:

When he spends time on aircraft I am sure he is getting feedback on his an his competitors products. If he started flying BBJ he would lose a lot of that.

User currently offlineSpeedbored From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2013, 275 posts, RR: 0
Reply 129, posted (11 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 30471 times:

Quoting StTim (Reply 128):
If he started flying BBJ he would lose a lot of that.

If he started flying BBJ, I suspect that he would lose his job.  


User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 130, posted (11 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 30441 times:

I frankly doubt he can get any more feedback on the competitors product than what he already knows. That BA flight he's talking about is probably the most convenient and fastest way to get to Beijing at that point in time.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 131, posted (11 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 30445 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 126):
Wow. He has always had a reputation as a hard worker but that is another level. With that much flying it would make sense to fly an A319 ACJ but I suspect gigneil is right and he wants to patronize his customer's products.

The story gets better: he never learned to speak French, despite living in France for almost 20 years because "he hasn't had the time".

Quoting ap305 (Reply 130):
That BA flight he's talking about is probably the most convenient and fastest way to get to Beijing at that point in time.

Agreed. He flew to Singapore on Thursday, flew back to London yesterday and is flying to Beijing today.



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User currently offlineabba From Denmark, joined Jun 2005, 1334 posts, RR: 2
Reply 132, posted (11 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 29986 times:

Quoting ferpe (Reply 127):
I am also impressed with his attitude

Me too. This man in a significant way incorporates in his person some of the very best - and some of the very worst - American culture has to offer

Quoting Speedbored (Reply 129):
If he started flying BBJ, I suspect that he would lose his job.

As the most important reason for Airbus to be where Airbus is today I think that JL could do whatever he pleases when it comes to how he flies without having to fear for his job. I he told Airbus that he could do another few years if he got a 350 for a flying office - he would get one equipped according to his whims. He has been more important to Airbus than any of their CEOs


User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4723 posts, RR: 39
Reply 133, posted (11 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 29534 times:
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Quoting ferpe (Reply 127):
I am also impressed with his attitude, he has met these journalists since 20-30 years, early they did not believe him when ha said Airbus would be successful yet he proved that he had the power to pull it through. Still he is modest and attentive, answering every question politely, I'm impressed.

Slightly off-topic, but John Leahy is to me the most important person in civil aviation over the last 20+ years. His track record is phenomenal and it will be a long time before this Industry will produce such a impressive and charismatic person.

The best move Airbus have made is to acquire this excellent salesman. He might be heavily criticised here sometime, but that is mostly out of envy for what he accomplishes. And he is again proving it with the A350-XWB program which seems to be fully on track and specs already. So that can only improve form now on.  .

Of course he is not alone in this, multiple facilities inside Airbus and partners, with tens of thousands of people working there support him in his act, but he has to lead the pack. And he does so in a unique and one of a kind matter.  


User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 134, posted (11 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 29436 times:

I suppose msn1 must be in some sort of scheduled maintenance now?. Based on what is seen on fr24, she has not flown since Saturday.

User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2803 posts, RR: 59
Reply 135, posted (11 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 28757 times:

Quoting ap305 (Reply 134):
I suppose msn1 must be in some sort of scheduled maintenance now?

Yes, make that rebuild for a different type of tests and it is probably what they are doing. I would guess it is for VMU and similar testing at Istres.



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User currently offlineThunderboltDrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 596 posts, RR: 0
Reply 136, posted (11 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 28717 times:

Still no pictures of MSN03?


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User currently offlineknoxibus From France, joined Aug 2007, 259 posts, RR: 23
Reply 137, posted (11 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 28648 times:
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Strange, on Monday it was located at the end of the flight test line, next to the "new" A330 and the A340-600, so one should be able to capture her from the airport side easily.

Very shiny with the brand new paint.



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User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2803 posts, RR: 59
Reply 138, posted (11 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 28584 times:

Quoting knoxibus (Reply 137):
Strange, on Monday it was located at the end of the flight test line, next to the "new" A330 and the A340-600, so one should be able to capture her from the airport side easily.

The spotters took her for MSN001 ie old hat perhaps, we need to help them with identification marks  .



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 139, posted (11 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 28035 times:

Quoting knoxibus (Reply 137):
Strange, on Monday it was located at the end of the flight test line, next to the "new" A330 and the A340-600, so one should be able to capture her from the airport side easily.

Registration please  

And why hasn't Airbus released a press release yet.



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User currently offlineknoxibus From France, joined Aug 2007, 259 posts, RR: 23
Reply 140, posted (11 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 27834 times:
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I'll be back in the office only next week so we might it from somebody else before then.


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User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2803 posts, RR: 59
Reply 141, posted (11 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 27536 times:

OK guys, so while we discuss the merits of sales vs other functions the Raccoon slinks out of the nest unseen  Wow! , take-off was 04:28 UTC as AIB57WB, it must have been dark then. Guess the crews was really eager to fly after having to rip her off the mechanics modding her. Right now she is at FL320 in the middle of south France, course NE.

[Edited 2013-09-25 21:56:07]


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User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 142, posted (11 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 27508 times:

Quoting ferpe (Reply 144):
Right now she is at FL320 in the middle of south France, course NE.

Looks like the initial cruise altitude after a heavy takeoff- What are they up to?

Edit: They are now descending to a lower level

[Edited 2013-09-25 22:07:38]

User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 143, posted (11 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 27473 times:

The Vmu tests might be at some airport near Paris?. Fr24 has no coverage in that area it would appear.

User currently offlineSpeedbird128 From Pitcairn Islands, joined Oct 2003, 1648 posts, RR: 2
Reply 144, posted (11 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 27250 times:

Quoting ap305 (Reply 143):

They will be done at Istres



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User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2803 posts, RR: 59
Reply 145, posted (11 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 27276 times:

I think MSN001 is on the Airbus facilities tour while doing some system testing, Meulte is not far NW of Paris.


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User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2803 posts, RR: 59
Reply 146, posted (11 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 26666 times:

Quoting ferpe (Reply 145):
I think MSN001 is on the Airbus facilities tour while doing some system testing, Meulte is not far NW of Paris.

Seems to not be the case, turned south at mid France and is heading back, FL310 and high speed.



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User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 147, posted (11 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 26510 times:

She was in an area south east of Paris for quite some time and at lower altitudes- its just that fr24 could not track her every move.... I am guessing they were either at an airport of were just doing low altitude work.

[Edited 2013-09-26 03:11:38]

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 148, posted (11 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 26495 times:

AIB57WB landed 10:14 UTC.

What was the takeoff time?



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User currently offlinestarbucks From Netherlands, joined Feb 2013, 708 posts, RR: 6
Reply 149, posted (11 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 26422 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 148):
What was the takeoff time?

04:30 early this morning



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User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2803 posts, RR: 59
Reply 150, posted (11 months 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 26158 times:

Quoting ap305 (Reply 147):
She was in an area south east of Paris for quite some time and at lower altitudes- its just that fr24 could not track her every move.... I am guessing they were either at an airport of were just doing low altitude work.

That is the location of CFM at Melun-Villaroche, don't think they landed there to show of the Rollers  Wow! 



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 151, posted (11 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 25768 times:

The raccoon is online with call-sign "ER7".



Quoting starbucks (Reply 149):
04:30 early this morning

Thanks.



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User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 152, posted (11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 25875 times:

.I guess this means engine run? and not a flight for today afternoon.

[Edited 2013-09-26 07:06:02]

User currently offlinetravelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1609 posts, RR: 7
Reply 153, posted (11 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 25901 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 151):
The raccoon is online with call-sign "ER7".

Karel, any idea behind the reason of this atypical callsign? Thanks!


EDIT: Sounds reasonable;

Quoting ap305 (Reply 152):
I guess this means engine run? and not a flight for today afternoon.


[Edited 2013-09-26 07:24:25]


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 154, posted (11 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 25382 times:

Indeed, it sounds just like an engine run.


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User currently offlineAviaponcho From France, joined Aug 2011, 613 posts, RR: 8
Reply 155, posted (11 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 25021 times:

For MSN3 ?
Maybe ?


MSN1 will probably not go tu VMU before MSN3 flies


User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2803 posts, RR: 59
Reply 156, posted (11 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 24569 times:

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 155):
For MSN3 ?
Maybe ?

The ER7 flight was for F-WXWB ie MSN001. IIt might be that the last days ground hugging for MSN001 was for an engine change, then the engine run would make sense. Probably to get a new version for test or to have a look at the present engines, we have recent info from RR that they are flying on MSN001 without problem.

BTW do we have the registration for MSN003?



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User currently offlineWingedMigrator From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2212 posts, RR: 56
Reply 157, posted (11 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 24481 times:

Quoting ferpe (Reply 156):
BTW do we have the registration for MSN003?

They seem to like playing on words...

For the A380 it was:
F-WWOW (wow)
F-WXXL (extra extra large)
F-WWDD (Dédé, a stereotypical name for a fat guy)
F-WWEA (Engine Alliance)
F-WWJB (James Bond, for MSN 007)

For the A350, we already have F-WXWB. What about...
F-WFRP (Fiber Reinforced Plastic) ?
F-WRCN (Raccoon) ?
F-WZRO (Zorro) ?
F-WWIN (winner) ?

Any guesses for what might be next?


User currently offlineAircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 8
Reply 158, posted (11 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 24395 times:

Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 157):

Glad to see you again!


User currently offlineBoeingVista From Australia, joined Jan 2009, 1575 posts, RR: 3
Reply 159, posted (11 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 24295 times:

Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 157):
Any guesses for what might be next?

F-WXXW

Extra, extra wide?

Has a symmetry to it.



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User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 160, posted (11 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 24185 times:

AIB58WB airborne at 6:08 UTC

User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2803 posts, RR: 59
Reply 161, posted (11 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 24194 times:

Anyway, MNS001 becoming an early bird, is already in the air AIB58WB at UTC 06:05 and heading NW at FL150 climbing.


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User currently offlineAviaponcho From France, joined Aug 2011, 613 posts, RR: 8
Reply 162, posted (11 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 23973 times:

Quoting ferpe (Reply 156):

He flew the same morning ? so 1st an engine change, 2nd a flight, 3nd an engine run ?


User currently offlinefreqflyer From India, joined Apr 2006, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 163, posted (11 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 23980 times:

Did the 'Çoon just buzz MAD or is this just another FR glitch?

User currently onlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 738 posts, RR: 0
Reply 164, posted (11 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 23982 times:

I saw that but unless they have fitted afterburners to the Trent XWB I strongly suspect a FR glitch  

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Reply 165, posted (11 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 23966 times:

Quoting StTim (Reply 164):

I saw that but unless they have fitted afterburners to the Trent XWB I strongly suspect a FR glitch  


Yeah, was thinking the same.. the distance and time airborne just doesn't work out..  
Has she made any forays into airspace of other countries yet, or has it been French and oceanic airspace so far?



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User currently onlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 738 posts, RR: 0
Reply 166, posted (11 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 23959 times:

She is staying is staying in home air space at the moment - but the first foreign trips are being planned.

A factory tour and then to Dubai for the show - where I am sure Mr Leahy has a few orders lined up.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 167, posted (11 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 23898 times:

Quoting ferpe (Reply 156):
BTW do we have the registration for MSN003?

Nobody knows yet, except for Airbus.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 168, posted (11 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 23963 times:

Here's a nice picture of AIB57WB yesterday:


AIB57WB 26/9/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 169, posted (11 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 23442 times:

AIB58WB landed 10:51 UTC.


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User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2803 posts, RR: 59
Reply 170, posted (11 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 23327 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 168):
Here's a nice picture of AIB57WB yesterday:

So wondered what they did during the ground hog days, there are no external differences what I can see, the wingroot tufting is still there as is the downwash measurement pitot tube on the HTP left part.



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User currently offlinestarbucks From Netherlands, joined Feb 2013, 708 posts, RR: 6
Reply 171, posted (11 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 23100 times:

Quoting ferpe (Reply 170):
So wondered what they did during the ground hog days

They added some kind of "measuring scale" behind the tailskid, but only that wouldn't require that amount of downtime.



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User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 555 posts, RR: 0
Reply 172, posted (11 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 23021 times:

Quoting starbucks (Reply 171):
They added some kind of "measuring scale" behind the tailskid, but only that wouldn't require that amount of downtime.

That looks like a patch or doubler of some sort- for the vmu tests perhaps? (the a380 iirc hit beyond the skid plate during its first vmu test)


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 173, posted (11 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 22933 times:

AIB59WB is visible on FR24.


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 174, posted (11 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 22797 times:

AIB59WB airborne 13:34 UTC.


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User currently offlineMWHCVT From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2008, 696 posts, RR: 0
Reply 175, posted (11 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 22766 times:

Almost looks the the A330 that has been flying around for a bit is now flying to intercept  probably not but still


Must think up a new one soon, slow moving brain trying to get into gear ;)
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 176, posted (11 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 22767 times:

I don't think so, that's a Dragonair A330.


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User currently offlinebobmuc From Germany, joined Nov 2011, 406 posts, RR: 0
Reply 177, posted (11 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 23036 times:

Already turning back after 25 minutes? Maybe some more touch & gos?

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 178, posted (11 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 23015 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 174):
AIB59WB airborne 13:34 UTC.

And landed 14:06.



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Reply 179, posted (11 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 22876 times:

I thought the current Airbus line on A350 EIS was 2h 2014. For some reason I took that to mean around July/August next year. JL has a quote in this Bloomberg interview where he says that the A350 will finish flight testing around 'this time next year' and EIS by 'end of 2014'. Nothing earth shattering as it is still '2h' but I had envisioned the plan to be to deliver half dozen or so next year and that may not be likely.

http://www.bloomberg.com/video/boein...-years-MaZXa7l2S0uBhyDpQxFJoQ.html

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Edit Typo


[Edited 2013-09-27 08:01:05]

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 180, posted (11 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 22862 times:

Second half of the year can be anything between 1 July and 31 December. Just like the first flight they will maintain a large window just in case something happens.


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User currently onlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 738 posts, RR: 0
Reply 181, posted (11 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 22923 times:

Airbus are trying very hard not to over commit in public. Tests are test and who knows what will be found. Itis great for Airbus (and their customers) if they are currently ahead of schedule. That does not mean it will stay that way. Just look at how quickly the C100 first flight went back wards.

the other part is that entry into service relies on the production planes coming down the line. Airbus will be hoping that there is no significant travelling work due to items found during testing. There will be some though. Hopefully none of the A380 wiring or 787 wingbox type issues come to light.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 182, posted (11 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 22519 times:

Pictures of today.


AIB59WB 27/9/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr


AIB58WB 27/9/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr


Take-off msn1 27/9/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr



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User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2803 posts, RR: 59
Reply 183, posted (11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 22249 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 182):
Pictures of today.

Tail protection fork is gone from yesterday to today, one can wonder what they did yesterday that required it? Otherwise I can spot not changes.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 184, posted (11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 22263 times:

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 155):
MSN1 will probably not go tu VMU before MSN3 flies

Any idea why MSN1 must wait for MSN3?



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11367 posts, RR: 33
Reply 185, posted (11 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 22061 times:

MSN3 registration is F-WZGG.

http://oi41.tinypic.com/2q03n5w.jpg

Source http://www.bloga350.blogspot.nl/2013...nd-flight-test-prototype-msn3.html



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User currently offlineschwege From Finland, joined Jul 2013, 45 posts, RR: 1
Reply 186, posted (11 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 21979 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 185):
MSN3 registration is F-WZGG.

And from now on - every move she makes, every flight she takes... you know  


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Reply 187, posted (11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 21520 times:

AIB60WB airborne at 7:09am