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A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 5  
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 25
Posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 50168 times:
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As part 4 has become quite long, part 5 has been opened in order for discussion to continue on this topic. Part 4 can be found here:

A350 Flight Tests Official Thread Part 4 (by LipeGIG Aug 28 2013 in Civil Aviation)

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User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2805 posts, RR: 60
Reply 1, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 49509 times:

AIB50WB will soon taxi, let's see what they are up to. Pictures would be interesting to see the tail protection area   


Non French in France
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15716 posts, RR: 45
Reply 2, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 49428 times:
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AIB50WB airborne at 13:09 UTC and heading north-west.


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User currently offlinemjoelnir From Iceland, joined Feb 2013, 2563 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 49253 times:

I have her take off at 13:05 UTC

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15716 posts, RR: 45
Reply 4, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 48945 times:
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AIB49WB


AIB49WB 17/9/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr

AIB50WB


AIB50WB 17/9/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr



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User currently offlineMadameConcorde From San Marino, joined Feb 2007, 11136 posts, RR: 35
Reply 5, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 48727 times:

Is this the tail of the BA A380 N°2 we see on the picture?
They look so good in BA livery!

     



There was a better way to fly it was called Concorde
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15716 posts, RR: 45
Reply 6, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 48673 times:
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Yes indeed, that's BA #2.


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15716 posts, RR: 45
Reply 7, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 48510 times:
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AIB50WB landed 17:33 UTC.


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User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 80
Reply 8, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 47724 times:

Doesn't BA already have #2? I thought for some weeks now.

NS


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15716 posts, RR: 45
Reply 9, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 47697 times:
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No it was just delivered and should fly to LHR tomorrow. Perhaps you're confused with the 787?


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User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 80
Reply 10, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 47678 times:

Perhaps. I knew there were more 787s. I thought the A380s had also been delivering fast.

NS


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15716 posts, RR: 45
Reply 11, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 47632 times:
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G-XLEB this month and G-XLEC next month.


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User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 776 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 45221 times:

AIB51WB is taxiing now

User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 776 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 45218 times:

AIB51WB airborne 6:09 UTC

User currently offlineAircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1827 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 44785 times:

I seem to be totally unable to follow those flights on FR24… 

edit: found it… I had forgotten a filter about my sister's flight coming home…  duck 

[Edited 2013-09-18 00:32:10]

User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2805 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 44618 times:

Quoting Aircellist (Reply 14):
edit: found it… I had forgotten a filter about my sister's flight coming home…   

A very practical fiter is simply "AIB", this shows you all the Airbus flights and the Raccoon will be one of them.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15716 posts, RR: 45
Reply 16, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 43978 times:
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Someone saw it landing? Must have been around 10:00.


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User currently offlinemjoelnir From Iceland, joined Feb 2013, 2563 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 43942 times:

AIB51WB the Raccoon landed at 10:05.

User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 5489 posts, RR: 39
Reply 18, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 43394 times:
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Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 17):
AIB51WB the Raccoon landed at 10:05.

That would have left time for another test flight. No more for today?


User currently offlinestarbucks From Netherlands, joined Feb 2013, 930 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 43338 times:

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 18):
That would have left time for another test flight. No more for today?

I was thinking the same...
Maybe they're out in the paint hall having a look at MSN003, it's been said to be in paint since last Wednesday (1 week now) 

Or, maybe she's prepared for VMU at Istres tomorrow  



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User currently offlineschwege From Finland, joined Jul 2013, 46 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 42572 times:

AIB52WB took off at 5.05Z - is this a new record?

Not visible anymore, last data point is at 5.23Z some 200 km north-northeast from TLS, alt 25000 ft, 442 kt.


User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 776 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 42496 times:

Quite strange...That's not a pocket where fr24 drops on coverage. I wonder what are they up to?

[Edited 2013-09-18 23:57:51]

User currently offlineFocker From Netherlands, joined Jan 2011, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 42242 times:

It has been off Flight Radar now for nearly 2 hours, as far as I can tell.

Could this have to do with some part of the test program, or is it very uncommon / not allowed to fly without the transponder on?

Might be a silly question, just wondering...


User currently offlineovercast From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 42219 times:

I'd imagine they would be able to stop transmitting only in a military zone, which is where they seems to have disappeared.

Maybe doing some tests they don't want tracked, extreme ends of the speed range springs to mind.


User currently offlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 992 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 42129 times:

I wonder if they have spirited the raccoon into Istres for the VMU tests?

User currently offlinebobmuc From Germany, joined Nov 2011, 596 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 42253 times:

Quoting schwege (Reply 20):
AIB52WB took off at 5.05Z

Are you sure? At least on the FR24 peplay AIB52WB never took off. I think the transponder was switched on for some minutes but they never left the airport.


User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 776 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 42204 times:

Quoting bobmuc (Reply 25):
Are you sure? At least on the FR24 peplay AIB52WB never took off. I think the transponder was switched on for some minutes but they never left the airport.

The replay shows it taking off and climbing to fl250


User currently offlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 992 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 42685 times:

She is now back on FR24 heading south from up the Alsace region.

Strange


User currently offlineSpeedbored From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2013, 1145 posts, RR: 18
Reply 28, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 42677 times:

Quoting bobmuc (Reply 25):
At least on the FR24 peplay AIB52WB never took off.

If I look at FR24 playback, I see it flying for about 20 minutes and disappearing just to the east of Limoges at around 25K feet, heading almost due north.


User currently offlinemjoelnir From Iceland, joined Feb 2013, 2563 posts, RR: 4
Reply 29, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 42679 times:

She is on FR24 the track starts near Mailly le Camp.

[Edited 2013-09-19 01:55:38]

User currently offlinepacksonflight From Iceland, joined Jan 2010, 423 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 42674 times:

Quoting StTim (Reply 24):
I wonder if they have spirited the raccoon into Istres for the VMU tests?

Does anybody know of any live webcams in TLS or Istres?
I have tried searching for them with no luck.


User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 776 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 42682 times:

She has certainly been up to something. I wonder if there is another base there where VMU tests could have been done.

User currently offlinemjoelnir From Iceland, joined Feb 2013, 2563 posts, RR: 4
Reply 32, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 42643 times:

Châlons Vatry Airport is near were she appears again.

User currently offlineschwege From Finland, joined Jul 2013, 46 posts, RR: 1
Reply 33, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 42506 times:

Disappeared again. There seems to be a void in air traffic north of TLS, I'm guessing an FR24 receiver station has gone offline in that area.

User currently offlineScipio From Belgium, joined Oct 2007, 1116 posts, RR: 12
Reply 34, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 42387 times:

fr24 shows F-WXWB on the ground in Toulouse. No flight number.

And while I typed these words, she disappeared...


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Reply 35, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 42042 times:

AIB53WB is taxiing now

User currently offlineBigsmile From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 177 posts, RR: 3
Reply 36, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 41946 times:

Formation flying day today, so should be interesting.

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Reply 37, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 41949 times:

Yes, she's got company today 

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Reply 38, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 41846 times:

AIB53WB airborne at 12:30 utc with a330 in front and a380 behind

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15716 posts, RR: 45
Reply 39, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 41860 times:
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Yeah that's the new A330 testbed in front.


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User currently offlineFocker From Netherlands, joined Jan 2011, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 41828 times:

As somebody mentioned on another forum:

That must be one of the reasons for the A330 to be painted in the new house colors.


User currently offlinefreqflyer From India, joined Apr 2006, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 41808 times:

Why can't I see the Raccoon anymore ? The other 2 are still visible

User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 776 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 41795 times:

There is some issue with the a350 and fr24 today....she's not showing while the other two are

User currently offlineSpeedbored From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2013, 1145 posts, RR: 18
Reply 43, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 41782 times:

So is this afternoon's flight a photo opportunity? If so, where is the camera plane?

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15716 posts, RR: 45
Reply 44, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 41574 times:
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Quoting ap305 (Reply 42):
There is some issue with the a350 and fr24 today....she's not showing while the other two are

Perhaps they disabled some systems to avoid TCAS alerts.



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User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 776 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 41668 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 44):

Perhaps they disabled some systems to avoid TCAS alerts.

Yes and perhaps they are testing the tcas itself. The raccoon is visible again, flying above the big bus.


User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 5489 posts, RR: 39
Reply 46, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 41496 times:
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Quoting ap305 (Reply 45):
flying above the big bus.

It is quite a big bus by itself.  . But we all know what you mean. I hope that we will see some nice pictures and hopefully video of this flight.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15716 posts, RR: 45
Reply 47, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 41231 times:
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Tada:

http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/media_gallery/photogallery/big/800x600_1379599831_Airbus_formation_flight_A330_A350XWB_A380.jpg

Source: http://www.airbus.com/galleries/photo-gallery/



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User currently offlinestarbucks From Netherlands, joined Feb 2013, 930 posts, RR: 6
Reply 48, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 41183 times:

The result:

Http://http://twitter.com/jvreymondo.../status/380727414210318337/photo/1

Via @jvreymondon



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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 5489 posts, RR: 39
Reply 49, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 41123 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 47):
Tada:

Fantastic picture!  .


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15716 posts, RR: 45
Reply 50, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 40999 times:
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Another view:


A350 XWB joins the A330 and A380 for an Airbus “Xtra-widebody” family flight by EADSpics, on Flickr



Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlinemjoelnir From Iceland, joined Feb 2013, 2563 posts, RR: 4
Reply 51, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 40741 times:

Touch down AIB53WB at 17:47.

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Reply 52, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 40781 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 47):
Tada:

Jesus, the A380 needs to grow!  


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15716 posts, RR: 45
Reply 53, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 40733 times:
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So what times do we use for AIB52WB?


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User currently offlinemjoelnir From Iceland, joined Feb 2013, 2563 posts, RR: 4
Reply 54, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 40656 times:

What do we register for the morning flight?

Take off was at 05:05.
Landing at around 09:30?


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Reply 55, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 40658 times:

@karel, FR24 playback showed AIB42WB/FWXWB arriving at the flight test center at 0942, i took 9minutes for taxi-in (average) so 0933 landing??


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15716 posts, RR: 45
Reply 56, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 40727 times:
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More pictures from today.


AIB53WB 19/9/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr


Airbus Industrie Airbus A350-941 F-WXWB cn 001 by Clément Alloing - AirTeamImages, on Flickr


Airbus Industrie Airbus A350-941 F-WXWB cn 001 by Clément Alloing - AirTeamImages, on Flickr

And here, behind the BA A380, lining-up for a formation flight:


Delivery center msn121 G-XLEB 19/9/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr



Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 5489 posts, RR: 39
Reply 57, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 40651 times:
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Quoting kmz (Reply 52):
the A380 needs to grow!

In due time she will.  


User currently offlineKPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2863 posts, RR: 2
Reply 58, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 40684 times:

Great shots of the formation!

Is it me, or does Airbus seem to really enjoy "showing off" their products more than other OEMs, via formations, branding, marketing on the plane, etc? It seems they are more into that than the others.   



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User currently offlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 992 posts, RR: 0
Reply 59, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 39810 times:

AIB54WB up and live on FR24

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Reply 60, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 39821 times:

AIB54WB is taxiing, just disappeared again near the runway


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15716 posts, RR: 45
Reply 61, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 39817 times:
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There's quite some traffic.

http://oi39.tinypic.com/eupmvq.jpg

AIB54WB airborne at 8:28 UTC.



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Reply 62, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 39803 times:

Take off at 08:28 UTC

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Reply 63, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 39816 times:

AIB54WB the Raccoon take off at 08:27.

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Reply 64, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 39822 times:

An a330 is just behind her- another photo flight?

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15716 posts, RR: 45
Reply 65, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 39807 times:
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Quoting ap305 (Reply 64):
An a330 is just behind her- another photo flight?

No, that's an A330 for Philippine Airlines.



Close, but no cigar http://vine.co/v/OjqeYWWpVWK
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Reply 66, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 39805 times:

Quoting ap305 (Reply 64):
An a330 is just behind her- another photo flight?

No, thats just a normal test flight...

F-WWKY is MSN 1449 for Pilipine Airlines

[Edited 2013-09-20 01:34:58]


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Reply 67, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 39768 times:

Thanks....Raccoon on another low/slow test flight today from what is seen so far.

User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 68, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 39795 times:

According to the spreadsheet which I have access to, Airbus was targeting 240 hours of test flying by end of Sept. Already now they have accumulated 264 hours, and on pace to reach 300 before end of month. Is Airbus trying to speed the test program up?
Very impressive performance so far.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15716 posts, RR: 45
Reply 69, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 39806 times:
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Yeah at this rate MSN1 and MSN3 will have over 1,000 flight hours before the end of the year. They should be careful, or soon they have the jet certified before the production has ramped-up (although that would be more like a luxury).


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User currently offlineAsiaflyer From Singapore, joined May 2007, 1222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 70, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 39774 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 69):

That's a problem that won't keep them awake at night.  



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User currently offlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 992 posts, RR: 0
Reply 71, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 39802 times:

I do not think that once they get to 2,500 they will stop. I feel Airbus desperately want this to be a smooth mature introduction of a new type into service. So far they do seem on target to acheive that - but there is still a long way to go.

What is quite obvious is that whatever they are finding is not requireing major workshop time.


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Reply 72, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 39801 times:

Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 68):
According to the spreadsheet which I have access to, Airbus was targeting 240 hours of test flying by end of Sept.

I guess that is mine  

I just want to add, this is not a target set by Airbus... Someone here at a.net (don't remember who) calculated that Airbus needs to achieve about 80hrs per month/per plane to fly the 2500 hours set in the campaign in 12 months...

Nothing official about those numbers in my spreadsheet, just a guide to see if we're somewhat on schedule...



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15716 posts, RR: 45
Reply 73, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 39757 times:
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Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 54):
Take off was at 05:05.
Landing at around 09:30?
Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 54):
@karel, FR24 playback showed AIB42WB/FWXWB arriving at the flight test center at 0942, i took 9minutes for taxi-in (average) so 0933 landing??

Thanks guys.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15716 posts, RR: 45
Reply 74, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 39787 times:
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Quoting starbucks (Reply 72):
Airbus needs to achieve about 80hrs per month/per plane to fly the 2500 hours set in the campaign in 12 months...

Nothing official about those numbers in my spreadsheet, just a guide to see if we're somewhat on schedule...

Indeed, but they are at 90 hours for September already. Let's assume another 50 hours until the end of the month, that would be 140 hours.

A rough calculation gives me 140 hours per month * 3 months left (October, November, December) * 2 frames (MSN1 and 3) = 840 + 300 hours (before the end of this month) = 1140 hours before the end of the year.



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Reply 75, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 39781 times:

Quoting starbucks (Reply 72):

I did :d
So nothing official i we are talking about my spreadsheet (btw i struggle to keep the pace of MSN1 flight !)
We can compare with 787 (some one provided the link 2-3 weeks ago), having in mind that the flight test fleet of 787 was "grounded" in the final stage of the preparation of the flight due to the Side of body problems ... and so was supposed to be fine tuned during this delay ... so 787 flight test pace is indeed a good reference


User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 776 posts, RR: 0
Reply 76, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 39651 times:

Quoting ap305 (Reply 67):
Thanks....Raccoon on another low/slow test flight today from what is seen so far.

Cruising at fl360 now
 

[Edited 2013-09-20 02:36:42]

User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 5489 posts, RR: 39
Reply 77, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 39814 times:
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Quoting ap305 (Reply 76):
Cruising at fl360 now

Smooth and steady.  .

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 74):
A rough calculation gives me 140 hours per month * 3 months left (October, November, December) * 2 frames (MSN1 and 3) = 840 + 300 hours (before the end of this month) = 1140 hours before the end of the year.

I think your numbers are spot-on. It would be very impressive and positive if they can maintain the current speed of the test program. Even with the next A350's entering the test fleet.


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Reply 78, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 39764 times:

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 75):
I did :d

I thought it was you indeed, but wasn't sure anymore  



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User currently offlinebobmuc From Germany, joined Nov 2011, 596 posts, RR: 0
Reply 79, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 39623 times:

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 77):
Even with the next A350's entering the test fleet.

But compared to the Racoon, MSN003 is very shy, still hiding in the paint hangar!?


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15716 posts, RR: 45
Reply 80, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 39411 times:
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Airbus released a video of the formation flight:

http://videos.airbus.com/video/4d07a791b6as.html



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User currently offlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 992 posts, RR: 0
Reply 81, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 39343 times:

Beat me to it. Great video of the wide body Airbus planes.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15716 posts, RR: 45
Reply 82, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 39393 times:
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That's a very nice bank.

http://oi43.tinypic.com/14ybitw.jpg

And here's a nice close-up of the left wing:




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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 5489 posts, RR: 39
Reply 83, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 39278 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 80):
Airbus released a video of the formation flight:

http://videos.airbus.com/video/4d07a....html

Beautiful video.  


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15716 posts, RR: 45
Reply 84, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 39075 times:
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AIB54WB landed 12:53 UTC.


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User currently offlinemjoelnir From Iceland, joined Feb 2013, 2563 posts, RR: 4
Reply 85, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 39053 times:

My count is now after AIB54WB: plain flight time 250 hours, 20 minutes added per flight to simulate block time 268 hours.

It should be possible that MSN 1 reaches 300 hours before end of September.

[Edited 2013-09-20 06:06:03]

User currently offlinechuchoteur From France, joined Sep 2006, 789 posts, RR: 0
Reply 86, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 38994 times:

Quoting EPA001 (Reply 83):
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 80):
Airbus released a video of the formation flight:

http://videos.airbus.com/video/4d07a....html

Beautiful video.

also on youtube...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYiov...view&list=UUkfZz95mfqPnzquatVpDTsQ


User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 776 posts, RR: 0
Reply 87, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 38824 times:

Raccoon now heading for its afternoon flight...AIB55WB

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Reply 88, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 38846 times:

Refueled, tyres kicked, crew changed and the Raccoon (AIB55WB) is heading to the runway.

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Reply 89, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 38836 times:
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And AIB55WB airborne at 14:13 UTC.


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Reply 90, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 38835 times:

AIB55WB Airborne 14:14 utc

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Reply 91, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 38666 times:

After some low speed stuff they have climbed to fl330... They seem to be doing more high/fast work the last few days- Perhaps they are beginning to optimize the differential flap system?

User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 776 posts, RR: 0
Reply 92, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 38312 times:

She went to an area south of Toulouse where fr24 has no coverage.... I am guessing they are doing something at an airport in that area.

[Edited 2013-09-20 10:32:54]

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15716 posts, RR: 45
Reply 93, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 38341 times:
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Another picture of the formation flight day.


Airbus - A330-203 - msn 871 by dn280tls, on Flickr


Airbus - A350-941 - msn 001 by dn280tls, on Flickr



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Reply 94, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 38171 times:

Landed 17:53 and went to the opposite side of the airport from where the test center is located. Perhaps there is a new raccoon in her usual parking spot?
Edit: She's back at the test center now.

[Edited 2013-09-20 11:11:32]

User currently offlineAircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1827 posts, RR: 8
Reply 95, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 37654 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 93):
Another picture of the formation flight day.

The racoon mask does hide the kinship between the A380's and the A350's cockpit windows.

On another matter, it's interesting to observe the difference of the A330's and A350's front wing-to-body junction as well…
The A350's seems to be more sculptured downward. And the leading edge is much more pointed than the A380's.


User currently offlinemjoelnir From Iceland, joined Feb 2013, 2563 posts, RR: 4
Reply 96, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 37258 times:

AIB56WB the Raccoon take off at 08:04 UTC.

User currently offlinemjoelnir From Iceland, joined Feb 2013, 2563 posts, RR: 4
Reply 97, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 36792 times:

AIB56WB the Raccoon touch down at 08:04 UTC.

User currently offlineFocker From Netherlands, joined Jan 2011, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 98, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 36791 times:

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 96):
AIB56WB the Raccoon take off at 08:04 UTC.
Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 97):
AIB56WB the Raccoon touch down at 08:04 UTC.

That must have been the shortest flight after the Wright brothers? 


User currently offlineovercast From United Kingdom, joined May 2005, 168 posts, RR: 0
Reply 99, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 36562 times:

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 97):

I hope you meant

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 97):
AIB56WB the Raccoon touch down at 08:04 UTC.

I think you meant to say touched down at 12:17 UTC


User currently offlinemjoelnir From Iceland, joined Feb 2013, 2563 posts, RR: 4
Reply 100, posted (1 year 11 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 36225 times:

Quoting overcast (Reply 99):
Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 97):

I hope you meant

Quoting mjoelnir (Reply 97):
AIB56WB the Raccoon touch down at 08:04 UTC.

I think you meant to say touched down at 12:17 UTC

of course 12:17 sorry


User currently offlinetrent900 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 545 posts, RR: 0
Reply 101, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 35142 times:

All seems to have been very quite over the past couple of days. Anyone with any news?

Maybe they're preparing for VMU tests?  

D.


User currently offlinebobmuc From Germany, joined Nov 2011, 596 posts, RR: 0
Reply 102, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 35373 times:

Quoting trent900 (Reply 101):
All seems to have been very quite over the past couple of days.

If Sunday + Monday until 7:30 UTC is a "couple of days" for you, then you're right! Maybe the Racoon has a late start today.

Big Question is: Where is MSN003? Since 1 1/2 week in the paint hangar?


User currently offlinetrent900 From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 545 posts, RR: 0
Reply 103, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 35324 times:

Quoting bobmuc (Reply 102):
Big Question is: Where is MSN003? Since 1 1/2 week in the paint hangar?

This is the question we all want answered.

I took a site tour on Wednesday and there was no sign of MSN03 at all (or MSN01 for that matter). All hangars where closed from peeking eyes!

D.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15716 posts, RR: 45
Reply 104, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 35128 times:
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More pictures of the formation flight can be found in this thread.

Quoting bobmuc (Reply 102):
Big Question is: Where is MSN003? Since 1 1/2 week in the paint hangar?

Yeah it's extremely quiet on this one.

[Edited 2013-09-23 02:06:51]


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User currently offlineBigsmile From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 177 posts, RR: 3
Reply 105, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 35055 times:

MSN003 is out of Paint and out side on the airfield now.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15716 posts, RR: 45
Reply 106, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 35021 times:
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Speaking about the devil .. thanks bigsmile!


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Reply 107, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 34947 times:

Quoting Bigsmile (Reply 105):
MSN003 is out of Paint and out side on the airfield now.

Awesome news! When do you guys reckon the first flight is gonna be?



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15716 posts, RR: 45
Reply 108, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 34939 times:
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Now we only need pictures    wonder what the registration is    I already checked the French aircraft register but nothing in there.


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User currently offlinebobmuc From Germany, joined Nov 2011, 596 posts, RR: 0
Reply 109, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 34893 times:

According to http://bloga350.blogspot.de/ the A350 will fly to Dubai Airshow in November and before that to other Airbus locations within Europe.

User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 5489 posts, RR: 39
Reply 110, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 34315 times:
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Quoting Bigsmile (Reply 105):
MSN003 is out of Paint and out side on the airfield now.

Good news.  
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 108):
Now we only need pictures

I am sure you'll be the first one to find them on the net and post them here.   For which I guess we all are very grateful.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15716 posts, RR: 45
Reply 111, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 33375 times:
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Airbus today confirmed the 250 flight hours milestone.

http://oi43.tinypic.com/2jb05tk.jpg



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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 5489 posts, RR: 39
Reply 112, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 33124 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 111):
Airbus today confirmed the 250 flight hours milestone.

And they are celebrating it with a beautiful picture for us to see.  . A great achievement for sure. Now we want to see MSN003 up in the air a.s.a.p.


User currently offlinestarbucks From Netherlands, joined Feb 2013, 930 posts, RR: 6
Reply 113, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 32947 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 111):
Airbus today confirmed the 250 flight hours milestone.

Great milestone indeed!  

If I count the hours in my Spreadsheet up until AIB51WB I get to 252hrsAndChange, I guess confirming that Airbus counts block time as official test time..

Surprised that they said only 251 and 51 flights whilst we're up to AIB56WB by today... But maybe the presentation was made earlier (Likely)  



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15716 posts, RR: 45
Reply 114, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 32934 times:
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Quoting starbucks (Reply 113):
But maybe the presentation was made earlier (Likely)

It was, the slides were compiled on September 19.



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Reply 115, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 32901 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 114):
It was, the slides were compiled on September 19.

Indeed, I just came back to edit my message...  
Just noticed the presentation was made on the 19th, AIB51WB was flown on the 18th...

Disregard my last transmission  



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User currently offlineUnflug From Germany, joined Jan 2012, 639 posts, RR: 3
Reply 116, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 32604 times:

J22 has posted an interesting link in the prototype production thread, see reply #136 in this thread:

A350 Prototypes Production Thread Part 13 (by jetblueguy22 Aug 15 2013 in Civil Aviation)

The president of Oracle claims that better and faster data analyses is speeding up testing by a factor of 6: only 1 day needed to analyze the results of a test flight instead of 6 days, according to him.

I'm sure he is exaggerating, but to which extent? How relevant is IT as a contributor to the A350 testing campaign? Obviously until now they haven't found anything significant needing a fix. But even then the number of flights is astonishing.


User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 776 posts, RR: 0
Reply 117, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 32361 times:

From Bloomberg:

Airbus Says A330 to Survive a Decade on Long-Haul Discount Sales

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-0...e-on-long-haul-discount-sales.html


What does this have to do with the a350 flight tests you ask?

Well here is the interesting little bit from that article  

"Airbus is developing the A350 to replace the A330 and the four-engine A340, with the initial version, the -900, completing its first flight in June. The plane has met its performance specification in flight trials so far, Leahy said. "


User currently onlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 4833 posts, RR: 13
Reply 118, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 32194 times:

Wow that was quick. Good for Airbus.

tortugamon


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Reply 119, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 32125 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 118):
Wow that was quick. Good for Airbus.

Yes indeed- I guess the chances of hearing shrieks of dissatisfaction (at least performance wise) from certain demanding customers are now reducing   . Combined with the maturity the aircraft seems to be showing, this is good news. They still have some ways to go with the testing of course but the fact that Leahy would say this at such an early stage is encouraging.

[Edited 2013-09-24 11:29:07]

[Edited 2013-09-24 11:30:44]

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Reply 120, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 31996 times:

This gets even better....It would appear Leahy has said this during the market forecast event of today in front of a large media gathering. The entire forecast presentation is available at Airbus's youtube channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSrKZ...view&list=UUkfZz95mfqPnzquatVpDTsQ

Leahy starts talking about the a350 around the 27 minute mark.

[Edited 2013-09-24 12:27:23]

[Edited 2013-09-24 12:44:54]

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Reply 121, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 31848 times:

Quoting ap305 (Reply 120):

At around the 33:50 minute mark he seems to say that he is flying on a BA flight to Beijing from London. Does that mean he had to fly on a Boeing aircraft? Has anyone heard of a Boeing/Airbus policy to fly their aircraft? I imagine they all try but I am surprised to hear a high profile guy admit publicly that he is not. Its immaterial of course.

tortugamon


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15716 posts, RR: 45
Reply 122, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 31791 times:
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Quoting tortugamon (Reply 121):
At around the 33:50 minute mark he seems to say that he is flying on a BA flight to Beijing from London. Does that mean he had to fly on a Boeing aircraft? Has anyone heard of a Boeing/Airbus policy to fly their aircraft? I imagine they all try but I am surprised to hear a high profile guy admit publicly that he is not. Its immaterial of course.

He flies 200 days per year so I think it's unavoidable to fly on Boeing aircraft.



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User currently offlineScipio From Belgium, joined Oct 2007, 1116 posts, RR: 12
Reply 123, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 31761 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 122):
He flies 200 days per year so I think it's unavoidable to fly on Boeing aircraft.

Why would he not? He should be trying out the competition's products every opportunity he gets...


User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 80
Reply 124, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 31753 times:

In today's world it makes sense to patronize your customers, no matter the product they use to serve you.

NS


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Reply 125, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 31740 times:

I guess he'd probably even walk to China if it meant selling more planes. Getting back to topic, I am surprised the usually sharp aviation media has not picked up on the a350 performance news. This is not something exactly insignificant.

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Reply 126, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 31758 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 122):
He flies 200 days per year

Wow. He has always had a reputation as a hard worker but that is another level. With that much flying it would make sense to fly an A319 ACJ but I suspect gigneil is right and he wants to patronize his customer's products.

tortugamon


User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2805 posts, RR: 60
Reply 127, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 31898 times:

I am surprised such a key guy for Airbus (perhaps THE key guy) is not flying on an own aircraft. With 200 travel days a year you would really benefit from a flying office with all your usual stuff around you and a shower and bed to sleep in. I can imagine many other people flying corporate jets being less important and worthy of it.

I am also impressed with his attitude, he has met these journalists since 20-30 years, early they did not believe him when ha said Airbus would be successful yet he proved that he had the power to pull it through. Still he is modest and attentive, answering every question politely, I'm impressed.



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User currently offlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 992 posts, RR: 0
Reply 128, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 31880 times:

When he spends time on aircraft I am sure he is getting feedback on his an his competitors products. If he started flying BBJ he would lose a lot of that.

User currently offlineSpeedbored From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2013, 1145 posts, RR: 18
Reply 129, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 31881 times:

Quoting StTim (Reply 128):
If he started flying BBJ he would lose a lot of that.

If he started flying BBJ, I suspect that he would lose his job.  


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Reply 130, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 31851 times:

I frankly doubt he can get any more feedback on the competitors product than what he already knows. That BA flight he's talking about is probably the most convenient and fastest way to get to Beijing at that point in time.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15716 posts, RR: 45
Reply 131, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 31855 times:
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Quoting tortugamon (Reply 126):
Wow. He has always had a reputation as a hard worker but that is another level. With that much flying it would make sense to fly an A319 ACJ but I suspect gigneil is right and he wants to patronize his customer's products.

The story gets better: he never learned to speak French, despite living in France for almost 20 years because "he hasn't had the time".

Quoting ap305 (Reply 130):
That BA flight he's talking about is probably the most convenient and fastest way to get to Beijing at that point in time.

Agreed. He flew to Singapore on Thursday, flew back to London yesterday and is flying to Beijing today.



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User currently offlineabba From Denmark, joined Jun 2005, 1460 posts, RR: 3
Reply 132, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 31396 times:

Quoting ferpe (Reply 127):
I am also impressed with his attitude

Me too. This man in a significant way incorporates in his person some of the very best - and some of the very worst - American culture has to offer

Quoting Speedbored (Reply 129):
If he started flying BBJ, I suspect that he would lose his job.

As the most important reason for Airbus to be where Airbus is today I think that JL could do whatever he pleases when it comes to how he flies without having to fear for his job. I he told Airbus that he could do another few years if he got a 350 for a flying office - he would get one equipped according to his whims. He has been more important to Airbus than any of their CEOs


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Reply 133, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 30944 times:
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Quoting ferpe (Reply 127):
I am also impressed with his attitude, he has met these journalists since 20-30 years, early they did not believe him when ha said Airbus would be successful yet he proved that he had the power to pull it through. Still he is modest and attentive, answering every question politely, I'm impressed.

Slightly off-topic, but John Leahy is to me the most important person in civil aviation over the last 20+ years. His track record is phenomenal and it will be a long time before this Industry will produce such a impressive and charismatic person.

The best move Airbus have made is to acquire this excellent salesman. He might be heavily criticised here sometime, but that is mostly out of envy for what he accomplishes. And he is again proving it with the A350-XWB program which seems to be fully on track and specs already. So that can only improve form now on.  .

Of course he is not alone in this, multiple facilities inside Airbus and partners, with tens of thousands of people working there support him in his act, but he has to lead the pack. And he does so in a unique and one of a kind matter.  


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Reply 134, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 30846 times:

I suppose msn1 must be in some sort of scheduled maintenance now?. Based on what is seen on fr24, she has not flown since Saturday.

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Reply 135, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 30167 times:

Quoting ap305 (Reply 134):
I suppose msn1 must be in some sort of scheduled maintenance now?

Yes, make that rebuild for a different type of tests and it is probably what they are doing. I would guess it is for VMU and similar testing at Istres.



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User currently offlineThunderboltDrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 1087 posts, RR: 0
Reply 136, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 30127 times:

Still no pictures of MSN03?


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User currently offlineknoxibus From France, joined Aug 2007, 260 posts, RR: 22
Reply 137, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 30058 times:

Strange, on Monday it was located at the end of the flight test line, next to the "new" A330 and the A340-600, so one should be able to capture her from the airport side easily.

Very shiny with the brand new paint.



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User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2805 posts, RR: 60
Reply 138, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 29994 times:

Quoting knoxibus (Reply 137):
Strange, on Monday it was located at the end of the flight test line, next to the "new" A330 and the A340-600, so one should be able to capture her from the airport side easily.

The spotters took her for MSN001 ie old hat perhaps, we need to help them with identification marks  .



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15716 posts, RR: 45
Reply 139, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 29445 times:
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Quoting knoxibus (Reply 137):
Strange, on Monday it was located at the end of the flight test line, next to the "new" A330 and the A340-600, so one should be able to capture her from the airport side easily.

Registration please  

And why hasn't Airbus released a press release yet.



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User currently offlineknoxibus From France, joined Aug 2007, 260 posts, RR: 22
Reply 140, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 29244 times:

I'll be back in the office only next week so we might it from somebody else before then.


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User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2805 posts, RR: 60
Reply 141, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 28946 times:

OK guys, so while we discuss the merits of sales vs other functions the Raccoon slinks out of the nest unseen  Wow! , take-off was 04:28 UTC as AIB57WB, it must have been dark then. Guess the crews was really eager to fly after having to rip her off the mechanics modding her. Right now she is at FL320 in the middle of south France, course NE.

[Edited 2013-09-25 21:56:07]


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User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 776 posts, RR: 0
Reply 142, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 28918 times:

Quoting ferpe (Reply 144):
Right now she is at FL320 in the middle of south France, course NE.

Looks like the initial cruise altitude after a heavy takeoff- What are they up to?

Edit: They are now descending to a lower level

[Edited 2013-09-25 22:07:38]

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Reply 143, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 28883 times:

The Vmu tests might be at some airport near Paris?. Fr24 has no coverage in that area it would appear.

User currently offlineSpeedbird128 From Pitcairn Islands, joined Oct 2003, 1768 posts, RR: 2
Reply 144, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 28660 times:

Quoting ap305 (Reply 143):

They will be done at Istres



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Reply 145, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 28686 times:

I think MSN001 is on the Airbus facilities tour while doing some system testing, Meulte is not far NW of Paris.


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User currently offlineferpe From France, joined Nov 2010, 2805 posts, RR: 60
Reply 146, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 28076 times:

Quoting ferpe (Reply 145):
I think MSN001 is on the Airbus facilities tour while doing some system testing, Meulte is not far NW of Paris.

Seems to not be the case, turned south at mid France and is heading back, FL310 and high speed.



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User currently offlineap305 From India, joined Jan 2000, 776 posts, RR: 0
Reply 147, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 27920 times:

She was in an area south east of Paris for quite some time and at lower altitudes- its just that fr24 could not track her every move.... I am guessing they were either at an airport of were just doing low altitude work.

[Edited 2013-09-26 03:11:38]

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Reply 148, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 27905 times:
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AIB57WB landed 10:14 UTC.

What was the takeoff time?



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Reply 149, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 27832 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 148):
What was the takeoff time?

04:30 early this morning



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Reply 150, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 27568 times:

Quoting ap305 (Reply 147):
She was in an area south east of Paris for quite some time and at lower altitudes- its just that fr24 could not track her every move.... I am guessing they were either at an airport of were just doing low altitude work.

That is the location of CFM at Melun-Villaroche, don't think they landed there to show of the Rollers  Wow! 



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15716 posts, RR: 45
Reply 151, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 27178 times:
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The raccoon is online with call-sign "ER7".



Quoting starbucks (Reply 149):
04:30 early this morning

Thanks.



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Reply 152, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 27285 times:

.I guess this means engine run? and not a flight for today afternoon.

[Edited 2013-09-26 07:06:02]

User currently offlinetravelavnut From Netherlands, joined May 2010, 1796 posts, RR: 7
Reply 153, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 27311 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 151):
The raccoon is online with call-sign "ER7".

Karel, any idea behind the reason of this atypical callsign? Thanks!


EDIT: Sounds reasonable;

Quoting ap305 (Reply 152):
I guess this means engine run? and not a flight for today afternoon.


[Edited 2013-09-26 07:24:25]


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Reply 154, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 26792 times:
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Indeed, it sounds just like an engine run.


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User currently offlineAviaponcho From France, joined Aug 2011, 707 posts, RR: 10
Reply 155, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 26431 times:

For MSN3 ?
Maybe ?


MSN1 will probably not go tu VMU before MSN3 flies


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Reply 156, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 25979 times:

Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 155):
For MSN3 ?
Maybe ?

The ER7 flight was for F-WXWB ie MSN001. IIt might be that the last days ground hugging for MSN001 was for an engine change, then the engine run would make sense. Probably to get a new version for test or to have a look at the present engines, we have recent info from RR that they are flying on MSN001 without problem.

BTW do we have the registration for MSN003?



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User currently offlineWingedMigrator From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 2339 posts, RR: 56
Reply 157, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 25891 times:

Quoting ferpe (Reply 156):
BTW do we have the registration for MSN003?

They seem to like playing on words...

For the A380 it was:
F-WWOW (wow)
F-WXXL (extra extra large)
F-WWDD (Dédé, a stereotypical name for a fat guy)
F-WWEA (Engine Alliance)
F-WWJB (James Bond, for MSN 007)

For the A350, we already have F-WXWB. What about...
F-WFRP (Fiber Reinforced Plastic) ?
F-WRCN (Raccoon) ?
F-WZRO (Zorro) ?
F-WWIN (winner) ?

Any guesses for what might be next?


User currently offlineAircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1827 posts, RR: 8
Reply 158, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 25805 times:

Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 157):

Glad to see you again!


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Reply 159, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 25705 times:

Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 157):
Any guesses for what might be next?

F-WXXW

Extra, extra wide?

Has a symmetry to it.



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Reply 160, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 25595 times:

AIB58WB airborne at 6:08 UTC

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Reply 161, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 25604 times:

Anyway, MNS001 becoming an early bird, is already in the air AIB58WB at UTC 06:05 and heading NW at FL150 climbing.


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User currently offlineAviaponcho From France, joined Aug 2011, 707 posts, RR: 10
Reply 162, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 25383 times:

Quoting ferpe (Reply 156):

He flew the same morning ? so 1st an engine change, 2nd a flight, 3nd an engine run ?


User currently offlinefreqflyer From India, joined Apr 2006, 106 posts, RR: 0
Reply 163, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 25390 times:

Did the 'Çoon just buzz MAD or is this just another FR glitch?

User currently offlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 992 posts, RR: 0
Reply 164, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 25392 times:

I saw that but unless they have fitted afterburners to the Trent XWB I strongly suspect a FR glitch  

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Reply 165, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 25376 times:

Quoting StTim (Reply 164):

I saw that but unless they have fitted afterburners to the Trent XWB I strongly suspect a FR glitch  


Yeah, was thinking the same.. the distance and time airborne just doesn't work out..  
Has she made any forays into airspace of other countries yet, or has it been French and oceanic airspace so far?



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User currently offlineStTim From UK - England, joined Aug 2013, 992 posts, RR: 0
Reply 166, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 25369 times:

She is staying is staying in home air space at the moment - but the first foreign trips are being planned.

A factory tour and then to Dubai for the show - where I am sure Mr Leahy has a few orders lined up.


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Reply 167, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 25308 times:
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Quoting ferpe (Reply 156):
BTW do we have the registration for MSN003?

Nobody knows yet, except for Airbus.



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Reply 168, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 25373 times:
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Here's a nice picture of AIB57WB yesterday:


AIB57WB 26/9/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr



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Reply 169, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 24852 times:
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AIB58WB landed 10:51 UTC.


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Reply 170, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 24737 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 168):
Here's a nice picture of AIB57WB yesterday:

So wondered what they did during the ground hog days, there are no external differences what I can see, the wingroot tufting is still there as is the downwash measurement pitot tube on the HTP left part.



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User currently offlinestarbucks From Netherlands, joined Feb 2013, 930 posts, RR: 6
Reply 171, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 24510 times:

Quoting ferpe (Reply 170):
So wondered what they did during the ground hog days

They added some kind of "measuring scale" behind the tailskid, but only that wouldn't require that amount of downtime.



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Reply 172, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 24431 times:

Quoting starbucks (Reply 171):
They added some kind of "measuring scale" behind the tailskid, but only that wouldn't require that amount of downtime.

That looks like a patch or doubler of some sort- for the vmu tests perhaps? (the a380 iirc hit beyond the skid plate during its first vmu test)


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Reply 173, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 24343 times:
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AIB59WB is visible on FR24.


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Reply 174, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 24207 times:
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AIB59WB airborne 13:34 UTC.


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User currently offlineMWHCVT From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2008, 805 posts, RR: 0
Reply 175, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 24176 times:

Almost looks the the A330 that has been flying around for a bit is now flying to intercept  probably not but still


Must think up a new one soon, slow moving brain trying to get into gear ;)
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Reply 176, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 24177 times:
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I don't think so, that's a Dragonair A330.


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User currently offlinebobmuc From Germany, joined Nov 2011, 596 posts, RR: 0
Reply 177, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 24447 times:

Already turning back after 25 minutes? Maybe some more touch & gos?

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Reply 178, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 24426 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 174):
AIB59WB airborne 13:34 UTC.

And landed 14:06.



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Reply 179, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 24287 times:

I thought the current Airbus line on A350 EIS was 2h 2014. For some reason I took that to mean around July/August next year. JL has a quote in this Bloomberg interview where he says that the A350 will finish flight testing around 'this time next year' and EIS by 'end of 2014'. Nothing earth shattering as it is still '2h' but I had envisioned the plan to be to deliver half dozen or so next year and that may not be likely.

http://www.bloomberg.com/video/boein...-years-MaZXa7l2S0uBhyDpQxFJoQ.html

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[Edited 2013-09-27 08:01:05]

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 15716 posts, RR: 45
Reply 180, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 24273 times:
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Second half of the year can be anything between 1 July and 31 December. Just like the first flight they will maintain a large window just in case something happens.


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Reply 181, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 24334 times:

Airbus are trying very hard not to over commit in public. Tests are test and who knows what will be found. Itis great for Airbus (and their customers) if they are currently ahead of schedule. That does not mean it will stay that way. Just look at how quickly the C100 first flight went back wards.

the other part is that entry into service relies on the production planes coming down the line. Airbus will be hoping that there is no significant travelling work due to items found during testing. There will be some though. Hopefully none of the A380 wiring or 787 wingbox type issues come to light.


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Reply 182, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 23930 times:
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Pictures of today.


AIB59WB 27/9/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr


AIB58WB 27/9/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr


Take-off msn1 27/9/2013 by A380_TLS_A350, on Flickr



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Reply 183, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 23660 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 182):
Pictures of today.

Tail protection fork is gone from yesterday to today, one can wonder what they did yesterday that required it? Otherwise I can spot not changes.



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Reply 184, posted (1 year 11 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 23674 times:
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Quoting Aviaponcho (Reply 155):
MSN1 will probably not go tu VMU before MSN3 flies

Any idea why MSN1 must wait for MSN3?



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