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What's Next For ORD  
User currently offlineORD2010 From United States of America, joined Sep 2013, 105 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 22122 times:

Hello everyone! This is my first post on Airliners and I'm so excited to be on here!

ORD is in my opinion hands down the best airport in the world, It has had a fantastic 2012 with new carriers and returning ones: Austrian, Airberlin, Qatar, Hainan and new routes from Shannon to Dusseldorf to name a few from its two home carriers, as well as newly announced Edinburgh from 2014 by UA. But what is next? Has ORD reached its peak destination wise? I know EK has been beating around the ORD bush for years now (even filing to begin W13 service and then withdrawing). Will they ever finally decide to come? They complain about competition, but does it really have that much at ORD with the name EK carries? Look at QR, their ORD service wasn't meant to be daily and on a 787, and not too far in they kept the 773 and went daily. Hainan is going Daily next year (more than they originally had planned the route with, 4x's weekly) and that was announced days after its first flight! So what is next? will we see the Star Alliance carriers of Asia jump in there, rumor is BR is looking into it. With a second 773 from ANA coming in daily and OZ going daily for a time this summer (I suspect equipment shortage due to SFO isn't allowing the daily to stick around). Where will the asian market come from next? South America is a very underserved area from ORD, while more logical for airlines to fly these routes from southern hubs, do people from the midwest really want to connect in Texas or Florida? Africa, with the 788 could we maybe see Royal Air Maroc and ET go for a couple of weekly flights into ORD. Will we ever see OSL/LIS/BCN flights and the return of MXP? T5 is set to be ready from its renovations soon this year, but T5 is jam packed, will a new international terminal be coming at last? A new car rental and parking facility has been approved and began construction off site and will have connections via the airport tram. The runways are coming in well and the south tower began construction, they are gearing up to make this the most efficient and important hub in the US with pax numbers up and international tourism in Chicago as a whole up. My outlook is:

EK finally launches daily 773 service to DXB

9W launches daily connections to India via AUH (already rumored) with a 773

BR goes 5x weekly to TPE with a 777

one of the Russian carriers returns, I think SU with a 773 4-5xs weekly (very large russian population here over 400k.)

JJ launches daily GRU (most likely) or GIG 773 with a JV with AA now that they will be OW soon.

ET 2xs weekly to ADD 788.

maybe a 380 upgrade from EY, BA, LH or KE soon? It's about time.

What do you guys think is next for ORD? Sorry for any mistakes in the post!

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User currently offlinefinnishway From Finland, joined Jul 2012, 307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 22117 times:

A380 & ORD has been discussed before. A few years ago ORD wasn't "A380 ready" and I don't know if it still is. It has also been discussed that BA or LH would be most likely carriers to operate the superjumbo to ORD.

User currently offlineORD2010 From United States of America, joined Sep 2013, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 22042 times:

It is set to be 380 ready soon with the new taxi ways and runways, but with LH planning the 748i for its ORD route will the 380 ever jump in? I believe BA downgraded one of its dailies to a 772 instead of twice daily 744's. Do you think EY would ever bring it to ORD? Sorry if this has been covered, but I wanted to add it into there.

User currently onlineAABB777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 528 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 21922 times:
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Regarding QR service to ORD, the flight was meant to launch daily and with a 777 from day one. However, because of aircraft availability the ORD flight started at 3x weekly before going daily in mid-June. A 787 was never going to operate ORD as QR 787's lack crew rest facilities for ULH flights (USA).

User currently offlineORD2010 From United States of America, joined Sep 2013, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 21868 times:

Quoting AABB777 (Reply 3):
Regarding QR service to ORD, the flight was meant to launch daily and with a 777 from day one. However, because of aircraft availability the ORD flight started at 3x weekly before going daily in mid-June. A 787 was never going to operate ORD as QR 787's lack crew rest facilities for ULH flights (USA).


Sorry about that, I can't remember where I read that it was meant to be a 787, it seemed a bit off to me but it makes sense that it wasn't true. Does anyone know what the loads are like for QR? as well as TK (CEO did say he wanted to launch a second daily ORD)


User currently offlinejcwr56 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 479 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 21874 times:

Alot of what you've written has already been touched upon and it will still be some time before we see the A380 into ORD. It's now strictly a facilities issue after 10/28C opens up next month. LH will start their 748i on LH430 eff. 27OCT.

With Chicago's goal to be a top 5 destination city for international travelers within the U.S by 2020 (currently 9th). The city continues to be very active seeking out carriers to start and expand service.

Looking at S14 June, July and August to S13 same period. As of now, there will be an additional 22 flights per week based on current airlines operating only. Will we see more, probably. How many, that remains to be seen.

[Edited 2013-09-20 08:25:12]

User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9303 posts, RR: 25
Reply 6, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 21826 times:

Quoting jcwr56 (Reply 5):
With Chicago's goal to be a top 5 destination city for international travelers within the U.S by 2020 (currently 9th). The city continues to be very active seeking out carriers to start and expand service.

That international terminal is going to need a little love, first.


On another note, when it comes to ORD, always nice to see a little love from hometown carrier, United.



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User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4234 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 21776 times:

Quoting jcwr56 (Reply 5):
Alot of what you've written has already been touched upon and it will still be some time before we see the A380 into ORD. It's now strictly a facilities issue after 10/28C opens up next month. LH will start their 748i on LH430 eff. 27OCT

Thats great news, and that runway will help a lot as it will allow 10L-28R to be a strictly departures runway and not have to wait for landing traffic. My question is, what is the timeline on 10R-28L, which is also under construction, and then the construction timeline for 9C-27C? after which the 14-32's will be decommissioned.


User currently offlineORD2010 From United States of America, joined Sep 2013, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 21745 times:

Quoting stlgph (Reply 6):
That international terminal is going to need a little love, first.


On another note, when it comes to ORD, always nice to see a little love from hometown carrier, United.


T5 is set to finish its renovation this fall with many new stores and restaurants making it far better than before and a walk through duty free like those in Europe. But space is tight in there especially in the peak hours, new gates or a remote concourse have to be added soon, not later. I agree, it is nice to finally see UA and AA paying some more attention to ORD.

Quoting jcwr56 (Reply 5):

Alot of what you've written has already been touched upon and it will still be some time before we see the A380 into ORD. It's now strictly a facilities issue after 10/28C opens up next month. LH will start their 748i on LH430 eff. 27OCT.

With Chicago's goal to be a top 5 destination city for international travelers within the U.S by 2020 (currently 9th). The city continues to be very active seeking out carriers to start and expand service.

Looking at S14 June, July and August to S13 same period. As of now, there will be an additional 22 flights per week based on current airlines operating only. Will we see more, probably. How many, that remains to be seen.

Wasn't aware that the 748i was finally scheduled in there, it is great news for ORD and LH. I have read about the 2020 plan and it is great, this year alone the number of international tourist rose for Chicago compared to last years international numbers, mainly from Asia. Could we see another Chinese carrier step in? What are the 22 additional compared to this summer, flights and carriers if you don't mind? I know ORD is closing the gap on ATL slowly. Exciting times at ORD. Any new carriers? I know El Al wants to return.


User currently offlinestlgph From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 9303 posts, RR: 25
Reply 9, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 21656 times:

Quoting ORD2010 (Reply 8):

It'll be interesting to see how that pans out - expand T5 or there could be a totally "off the cuff" idea of building a smaller terminal catering to flights from RJ's up to 757's, leaving the T5 gates to the widebodies.



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User currently onlineadamh8297 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 842 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 21621 times:

Quoting ORD2010 (Thread starter):
ORD is in my opinion hands down the best airport in the world,

May want to revisit this statement if you ever get a chance to fly into SIN or AMS.

Quoting jcwr56 (Reply 5):
With Chicago's goal to be a top 5 destination city for international travelers within the U.S by 2020 (currently 9th).

Isn't CHI 5th for International O+D behind NYC, MIA/FLL, LA Basin and Bay Area?


User currently offlineORD2010 From United States of America, joined Sep 2013, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 21544 times:

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 10):

Quoting ORD2010 (Thread starter):
ORD is in my opinion hands down the best airport in the world,

May want to revisit this statement if you ever get a chance to fly into SIN or AMS.

Quoting jcwr56 (Reply 5):
With Chicago's goal to be a top 5 destination city for international travelers within the U.S by 2020 (currently 9th).

Isn't CHI 5th for International O+D behind NYC, MIA/FLL, LA Basin and Bay Area?

Having flown into many international airports around the globe, to me ORD remains #1 for its hubs, carriers, markets served, history, and design (not very efficient, but I do enjoy its architecture in a historical and beautiful way.) IF we look at airport design and such on its own DUS is my favorite. Traffic wise ORD is the 4th largest international gateway behind NYC, LAX, MIA. but they mean to get it to number 5 in total tourism count, so making it the 5th most visited city in the US, not just stopped by. in those Terms by pax traffic i believe it's #2 behind ATL.


User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1523 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 21536 times:

Not service related but we just received an email stating 10C/28C will officially be open for business on October 17th. 10,801x200ft.

User currently offlinejayunited From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 892 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 21505 times:

Quoting ORD2010 (Reply 2):
It is set to be 380 ready soon with the new taxi ways and runways, but with LH planning the 748i for its ORD route will the 380 ever jump in? I believe BA downgraded one of its dailies to a 772 instead of twice daily 744's. Do you think EY would ever bring it to ORD? Sorry if this has been covered, but I wanted to add it into there.

Correct soon with the new taxi ways and runways the airfield will be ready for the A380 but I wonder is T5 ready for the A380? There is not a single gate at T5 equipped with double jet bridges, and with the A380's wing span T5 would be forced to close an adjacent gate or close one of the entrance/exit ramps to/from the bag room if they parked the plane at M7, M12, M13 due to the wing span. So although the airfield will be ready to handle the A380 the international terminal is not ready at this time. Hopefully we will see that change in the coming years.

Quoting ORD2010 (Thread starter):
The runways are coming in well and the south tower began construction, they are gearing up to make this the most efficient and important hub in the US with pax numbers up and international tourism in Chicago as a whole up. My outlook is:

I would agree with you but the storms we have had over the past week or so has shown that ORD is still not where we should be especially when it comes to T5. Just this past week we had A330's/ and 772ER and 77W sitting in penalty boxes for 45 minutes waiting for a gate at the international terminal due to late morning and early afternoon storms that delayed international arrivals and departures. So by the time the 230pm - 4pm arrivals landed there were very few 777/747/A330 gates available at T5 and this problem occurs every time we get late morning or early afternoon storms. By the time those mid afternoon flights start arriving even if the storms have cleared out T5 is in shambles with flights forced to wait up to 45 minutes for a gate sometimes longer. So there is still much work that must be done before ORD becomes efficient and if nothing is done to T5 the problem will only get worse when AA and UA start the retirement of their 763 fleets. Although T5 has 21 gates during the afternoon only 19 of those gates can be used M6 and M14 are not used due to clearance issues, also if you take away M18 (because it is a narrow body gate only) you have 18 useable gates. The next problem is M1, M2, M20,M21 can accommodate planes up to the 767 anything larger and it can not be parked at those 4 gates. This leaves only 14 gate available for the larger aircraft. I know there has been talk about expanding and reconfiguring T5 well the city needs to get on it because in its current state T5 is not ready for the future.

Quoting ORD2010 (Thread starter):
JJ launches daily GRU (most likely) or GIG 773 with a JV with AA now that they will be OW soon.

What would be the purpose of this flight with AA launching ORD-GRU soon? ORD-GRU is not a huge O&D market while UA does see quite a bit of O&D traffic most of the traffic on this route is connecting traffic from the West Coast or Asia. I don't think the market can support 3 flights a day between ORD and GRU. And there most certainly is not a viable market for daily service between ORD and GIG on a 773.

And as far as Russia goes AA tried nonstop service to Moscow a few years ago and it didn't work out so I don't see nonstop flights to Russia coming back either on an US carrier or a Russian carrier but I could be wrong about Russia.


User currently offlineORD2010 From United States of America, joined Sep 2013, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 21452 times:

Quoting jayunited (Reply 14):
What would be the purpose of this flight with AA launching ORD-GRU soon? ORD-GRU is not a huge O&D market while UA does see quite a bit of O&D traffic most of the traffic on this route is connecting traffic from the West Coast or Asia. I don't think the market can support 3 flights a day between ORD and GRU. And there most certainly is not a viable market for daily service between ORD and GIG on a 773.

And as far as Russia goes AA tried nonstop service to Moscow a few years ago and it didn't work out so I don't see nonstop flights to Russia coming back either on an US carrier or a Russian carrier but I could be wrong about Russia.

I think at this point, using land surrounding the T5 area to build a new maybe remote concourse with at least 6 gates, 2 of them 380 capable, and expanding the immigration/customs area would be key. If not maybe a new terminal as a whole, what ever they do it cannot interfere with the current T5 operations, with AA removing all of its 757's to be replaced by 767's at ORD, UA bringing back the 744's and I'm sure soon many 787's space is going to be tight!

AA was denied rights to operate ORD-GRU when it applied, so I meant JJ would operate it in place of AA, which might ease permits and benefit both carriers in a JV being OW hub on both sides. GIG could maybe work with UA on a 767. I think soon we could see BOG (Colombian officials visited the airport to talk about business last week) maybe LIM.

As for Russia, I do believe the market didn't work then, but maybe now we could see it make a come back with a higher Russian population, ideal would be a 787 5x's weekly I'd say to Moscow.

How about Singapore? could a 788/9 fly this route? more importantly could it make it work?


User currently offlinejcwr56 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 479 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 21314 times:

Jay,

M1, 2, 3, 20 and 21 can handle up to an M11. M1 and 2 can be used as a 2 for 1 (it's not marked but the plans are there) 330, 340 or 772, yes it can fit. It's already being addressed with UA and AA about the 767 replacements.

I think the biggest issue with storms isn't as much as diversions for international flights, as it's the closure of the ramps when the passive lightning systems kick on. Everyone gets pulled off and we still have those long haul flights arriving.
Not much anyone can do.

Another issue is getting the planes off within the alloted time. For August, the average gate pull delay was 20 minutes. So far for September it's running 26 minutes. Those minutes add up when you have flights holding. Theres options being started as a short term fix while a longer term view is being pursued.

T5 is getting a lot of attention and there's more work being planned both with upgrades and facilities to address some of the points you've brought up.

Just was posted on the Tribunes site.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/l...for-ohare-20130920,0,1667451.story






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[Edited 2013-09-20 11:19:54]

User currently offlineORD2010 From United States of America, joined Sep 2013, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 21281 times:

Quoting jcwr56 (Reply 16):
T5 is getting a lot of attention and there's more work being planned both with upgrades and facilities to address some of the points you've brought up.

what are these plans, if you know, that they are going to be addressing, It's about time we see some work at T5 when i was at T3 some months ago watching 5 there was a lot of movement and foreign tails there, and some on the remote stands, I think a major re-haul of many of the gates to add more spacing to allow larger planes is what should be done, leave a small amount of gates on the side for the mexico, central america, caribbean narrow body internationals. I think just 3 gates right now would be a huge help for all of this. Now isn't the master plan of 6 parallels really to prevent all these issues with weather related delays and issues? I'm honestly surprised how long the ORD airport staff has taken so long to get plans for an a380 gate knowing some carriers want to operate it there, and it is crucial for future growth, as much as I prefer the 747 over the 380, they must prepare.


User currently offlineLAXdude1023 From India, joined Sep 2006, 7512 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 21234 times:

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 10):
Isn't CHI 5th for International O+D behind NYC, MIA/FLL, LA Basin and Bay Area?

That is correct.

I have to wonder how the slowing of international immigration into Chicago is going to affect its O&D numbers. Chicago is way down from 10 years ago in number of international immigrants per year. It will be up to the globalization of Chicago's economy to keep it going.



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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2692 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 21177 times:

What ORD needs for more international traffic is for Star Alliance/UA and One World/AA to have international arrivals and departures happen at a new T2 for easier connections. T5 can remain SkyTeam and non-aligned international flights and then a new terminal for SkyTeam and non-aligned domestic flights. Or something like this - it needs more gates and that will only come with a new terminal...

Agreed...and no one has a solution for it...  Not to sound cold but the problem on an international level is really a PR problem more than anything else...but I am sure people choose not to come Chicago because of the perception. But the reality is that the high crime areas are fairly concentrated in the south and west neighborhoods of the City, areas that business travelers and tourists will never see. I live in the City (near north side), and although I find the situation sad and hopeless, it is something most Chicagoans don't experience first hand.

[Edited 2013-09-21 09:16:21 by SA7700]

User currently offlineORD2010 From United States of America, joined Sep 2013, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 21158 times:

Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 19):
That is correct.

I have to wonder how the slowing of international immigration into Chicago is going to affect its O&D numbers. Chicago is way down from 10 years ago in number of international immigrants per year. It will be up to the globalization of Chicago's economy to keep it going.

It is however on the rise. International numbers are rising briskly and it is visible with the amount of new international carriers and new routes by already serving carriers at the airport. Like I said there is a rising amount of foreign tourist coming to the are. Reading a time magazine article, the midwest saw the largest job growth in the recent years due to hard industry. And compared to the days AA was cutting international flights left and right now they're adding along with UA. ORD is on a comeback.


User currently offlineVTORD From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 113 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 21068 times:

Quoting ORD2010 (Thread starter):
9W launches daily connections to India via AUH (already rumored) with a 773

So far I have read only one article from India reporting that 9W is planning BLR-AUH-ORD (scissor hub moving to AUH from BRU). Very likely a change from EY metal to 9W metal or EY might use 9W as a feeder to their current flight from BLR. I don't see a market for both at the same time..........with QR, RJ and AI in the mix.



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User currently offlineORD2010 From United States of America, joined Sep 2013, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 21135 times:

Quoting VTORD (Reply 26):
So far I have read only one article from India reporting that 9W is planning BLR-AUH-ORD (scissor hub moving to AUH from BRU). Very likely a change from EY metal to 9W metal or EY might use 9W as a feeder to their current flight from BLR. I don't see a market for both at the same time..........with QR, RJ and AI in the mix.

I think the 9W connection would fly into ORD with their equipment and EY continuing their daily 773 the market is there, TK wants to go twice daily, I think they are both trying to keep EK out on purpose.


User currently offlineCcrlR From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 2233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 21009 times:
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Quoting finnishway (Reply 1):
A380 & ORD has been discussed before. A few years ago ORD wasn't "A380 ready" and I don't know if it still is. It has also been discussed that BA or LH would be most likely carriers to operate the superjumbo to ORD.
Quoting jcwr56 (Reply 5):
Alot of what you've written has already been touched upon and it will still be some time before we see the A380 into ORD. It's now strictly a facilities issue after 10/28C opens up next month. LH will start their 748i on LH430 eff. 27OCT.

The 747-8 is the largest aircraft besides the 773 that ORD can handle. That one day a few years ago when Airbus brought in the A380 for LH, there were problems with maneuverability and parking the aircraft. It needs to have its own route from the runway to the terminal and vice-versa. It's a maneuverability issue for widebodies, they have guidelines now in place for large aircraft taxiing near the terminals. After the Eva Air 744 MQ EMB-140 collision last May they don't want that happening again. Even vehicles that drive on the service roads near taxiways have to be careful in certain areas

That will not keep tourists from comming here. Every city has this issue but that does not keep tourists from visiting Chicago.

[Edited 2013-09-21 09:15:44 by SA7700]


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User currently offlineORDTLV2414 From United States of America, joined Mar 2013, 300 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 20927 times:
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Chicago has a crime problem like any other city. I think next for ORD is south America and TLV. We need International arrivals at T3 or T1 in order relieve congestion at T5.

User currently offlineluckyone From United States of America, joined Aug 2008, 2165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 20875 times:

Quoting ORDTLV2414 (Reply 32):
We need International arrivals at T3 or T1 in order relieve congestion at T5.

True story. And it was needed yesterday.


25 LAXdude1023 : TLV perhaps. Im not sold on more ORD-South America expansion. ORD-South America has one large O&D market, GRU. Everything else is much smaller. I
26 Post contains images FWAERJ : BR before EK? I don't believe it. EK has been talking about ORD for over a decade (seriously), and hinted at ORD as one of the next three US destinat
27 Post contains images ORD2010 : Well EK has been hinting so long yet hasn't bit the bullet so I expect another year before we see a more solid rumor on their part, if there is one t
28 jayunited : If you want to split hairs we can I know M1,2, 20 and 21 can accommodate a MD11 I've seen MD11's parked at those gates, but when was the last time a
29 nomorerjs : Someday BR, EK, and LY as new airlines. UA (express) will probably continue to add underserved cities in the US and Canada. Will be curious to see wha
30 LFutia : I'd love to see KLM go daily double or atleast 2x a day on certain days of the week! DL is a big player here in Chicago and it wouldn't surprise me to
31 ORD2010 : I think now that T5 is finishing up its major remodel, ORD will focus on all the other terminal buildings, like I said they broke ground on a new con
32 Surfandsnow : WHAT?!!!?!??! You must be joking?? Now this I agree with. However, keep in mind that other major U.S. airports like BOS, LAS, MIA, and SEA have also
33 747-600X : What O'Hare needs is GATES. Since the invasion of the RJs, things have gotten ridiculous. Every day, planes - mostly RJs - pile up in the holding pads
34 brilondon : ORD is already a pain to use when flying in from an international city or arriving real early in the morning. Why would they not just make a couple o
35 jcwr56 : Yes, and what I see here are folks who are looking at it from their respective airlines position. United NEEDS their own FIS, American NEEDS their ow
36 CcrlR : Spirit and Virgin America use Terminal 5 for gate space due to the L concourse being full sometimes. AA uses one for 767's(with one other gate for 73
37 apodino : He is exactly right. When all the construction is done, ORD will have the capability to run Quad Approaches simultaneously, which even in bad weather
38 Post contains links and images ORD2010 : Haha, In my opinion I love ORD, to me it represents air travel more than any other airport, but that is my personal opinion aside its delays and mess
39 jsnww81 : I live in Chicago. As others have said, unless you live in certain neighborhoods on the south or west side, the crime rate doesn't even come close to
40 brilondon : Ok, now that I have gotten up off the floor laughing, I can comment on this statement. Yes, it is your opinion but I think that it might just be a li
41 727LOVER : Is there an exact date for this?.......and when this happens, what runway(s) will close?
42 AmricanShamrok : While Chicago is UA's headquarters, IAH is its largest hub. I'm not sure a fully loaded 757 would not make it from ORD to OSL without a fuel stop en
43 jcwr56 : October 17th and none.
44 ORD2010 : Agreed, but I feel like a 767 might just be too much capacity, maybe the efficiency of the 788 can make up for that, and I could be wrong maybe the t
45 727LOVER : WOW.....so they'll be using 8 runways?????? Now,...will 10L/28R (which I think is the former 10/28.....and before that, 9R/27L) still be the main run
46 ORDTLV2414 : hahaha. that is ludicrous. DL is such a small player here in Chicago. This is a UA/AA City.
47 thekennady : Good post, I love these! Sorry im late to post ORD has seen a good amount of additional service this year and lets hope it continues into next year as
48 ORD2010 : I think you perfectly captured what I meant my best airport, perhaps yes not the single best, but the most impressive. Absolutely agree, and you're n
49 HNL : AA and UA need to be allowed to build FIS facilities in T1 and T3 respectively. That would solve the T5 capacity issues and eliminate the need to tran
50 jayunited : You don't think that if LH put the A380 on the FRA-ORD-FRA route that frequency would end up being cut? During the summer there are 4 nonstops betwee
51 thekennady : Well, Looking at a map of the middle east, Jordan is considerably further west that the UAE, also Chicago has a Sizeable Jordanian population many wh
52 Post contains images ord2010 : As good as the LH/UA relationship is I doubt UA will just give up a frequency on such a key route. I think what could happen is the UA 744 returns to
53 ckfred : Years ago, there was a plan for 2 new terminals at ORD, plus work on Terminals 1 and 3. T1 was to be UA/UA Express domestic (and I would presume AC fo
54 LFutia : Not necessarily everytime I look up in the sky and I live 12 miles Northeast from ORD its either AA UA or DL gracing the skies.. Yes AA and UA are th
55 jayunited : I understand that perhaps NW and now DL has an issue with both AA and UA having their own FIS facilities located in their own respective terminals. B
56 a380787 : UA can consider adding ORD-KIX and ORD-ICN with 787.
57 thekennady : Cant the 787s fit at the 767 gates at concourse C? Would there by any way all star flights could be moved to T1 if the FIS was built? AA would have a
58 mayor : Where is it stated, anywhere, that DL has an objection to UA and AA having their own FIS facilities? All that was stated was that NW at one time, DID
59 Post contains links chicawgo : The new facility will be where the cell phone lot and economy lot F are currently. The facility will have 4100 rental spaces and 2000 public parking
60 ord2010 : Do you think this will happen? I feel like UA isn't giving the 787 and ORD a thought, but ORD-KIX could be a good flight to expand, as for ICN do you
61 chicawgo : QF did to a tag to ORD a few times a week a while ago. It didn't last very long.
62 a380787 : 787-8 / 787-9 will go out from all UA hubs (maybe except CLE). It's a matter of time. It would be the long-n-thin workhorse (while trunk routes will
63 thekennady : No doubt expansions will have to been made to the terminals, i was talking of a short term solution.
64 jayunited : No the 787 can not fit into the same gates as the 767 gates on the C concourse because the wing span on the 787 is almost the same as the wing span o
65 jetblastdubai : From an ATC perspective, I hope the final plan takes into consideration flow to and from the runways (safely) in addition to gate capacity. I've seen
66 thekennady : Yes, there is simply not room past C concourse until 32L/14 is removed. 4L/22R also could cause some issues because the approach area must not be blo
67 Post contains links ZBA2CGX : With the consolidate rental car facility coming and the required use of the people mover. ORD should take a hard look at the passenger flows within th
68 nomorerjs : QF never started ORD. They dropped the planned MEL-LAX-ORD route during the SCARS scare.
69 Post contains images thekennady : This is my rendering of what would most likely be the best improvements to the terminals for ORD in the future. Light green represents the terminal a
70 sovietjet : It still boggles my mind that ORD being one of the top airports in the world (both aircraft movements and passenger traffic) still has no A-380s and n
71 LAXdude1023 : A little bit of an ignorant post if Im reading it right. EK could never get the fare premiums from Chicago they get from Houston. Dallas and Seattle
72 sovietjet : I don't know enough to say, but how can more people be flying from Seattle to Dubai as opposed to Chicago to Dubai? Chicago has a much bigger and mor
73 steex : The point is that EK's market isn't just YYY-DXB, it's YYY-DXB-ZZZ where ZZZ is a lot of destinations in the Middle East, South Asia, and Africa. EK
74 LAXdude1023 : I guess you dont know the market. Again, youre talking about the world wide oil capital and the center of the telecomunnication market for the Americ
75 United787 : That is exactly what I have had in my mind. With that plan, would the new T1 concourse be UA/*A international? Where would you put AA/OW internationa
76 thekennady : UA and Star INTL would go to the new concourse at 1, the AA Oneworld would be tougher to figure out. Space is so limited near T3 and even with the ne
77 jetblastdubai : Looks like you put a lot of thought into the airport redesign but I've got to throw some cold water on it right off the bat...sorry. The terminal nor
78 thekennady : Yea, I saw the fans on top of some of those building near L and figured they must be some type of plants but did not know how important the were. Oh
79 Post contains images jetblastdubai : 4L/22R is useless since the 'big plan' is be all parallel runways and take the hits when the rare winds don't favor any E/W runway. That's only a few
80 thekennady : Yes, but sadly in the master plan 4L/22R stays, I don't know why its being kept because removing it would help terminal expansion greatly, the large
81 jetblastdubai : If 4L stays, then a whole new set of issues comes up with any terminal expansion. With a new, western concourse, 4L would not be available for arriva
82 EaglePower83 : Use hyperbole much? As a native Chicagoan, I must interject that ORD is an extremely easy and useful airport for being the aviation gateway of the na
83 Post contains images ZBA2CGX : Why couldn't you put an L / hockey stick shaped Terminal at the southeast end of 32R/14L where the taxi / limo stand is currently located? You could h
84 jsnww81 : The cart vendors have ruined Terminal 1. Circulation space in the concourses is half what it was a decade ago. T2 and T3 seem to have been spared. I
85 Post contains links HermansCVR580 : How about this? http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t100/raether916/ohare.jpg
86 Post contains links jayunited : I found this website on the Chicago Department of Aviation website it shows what the runway configurations will be once the modernization project on t
87 ord2010 : It would be amazing if ORD looked like that, although I think the terminals would have to be bigger to handle the amount of people, however to remote
88 jcwr56 : For those who might be interested, there was an outside operation exercise done yesterday on UA850. It was parked on M21A (yes, a new line painted beh
89 Post contains images EaglePower83 : And if you go look out the windows at the very end of T3 - H, you can see the Chicago skyline. Pictures don't do it justice. Just go and look. It's p
90 ord2010 : I've flown through T3 a lot when flying just into ORD (NK gives good random deals) and I love it, it compares to when I went to DUS, very roomy love
91 thekennady : Same here, I have childhood memories of being at ORD with my Parents going to pick up relatives and I remember how exciting it was to see so many pla
92 ord2010 : I on that boat with you! I have app and I just love scrolling through the daily flights, seeing miami, new york, berlin, los angeles, toronto, abu dh
93 teme82 : How about yearly ORD-HEL for AA!
94 ord2010 : One can dream! the summer does well why not non daily winter? would love to see finnair here
95 teme82 : Well AY don't have the planes. AA might have after the merger. An A330 would do fine.
96 ord2010 : couldn't one of their 330's do the trick? or maybe a 340? problem being their equipment is all tied up as you said and nothing is coming anytime soon
97 william : I remember the construction from the late 80s, when T2 was United's home and T1 was under construction. UA used a temporary building as concourse that
98 ord2010 : Did anyone notice the sudden upgrade in seats for the ORD-MUC flights? UA had dropped the 777 from the route and placed a 767 and LH operates it daily
99 ckfred : jayunited: Excellent point. Richie Daley seemed more concerned with getting more domestic competition for ORD's two main tenants that doing what it go
100 CIDFlyer : now that would be AWESOME! an ATL/DEN type layout. Could have an underground train/walkway to connect to all concourses.
101 thekennady : Would not even need a train or walkway besides the 2 far west concourses. The rest of the airport would still be reached easilly from the check in/se
102 jetblastdubai : We brought up this situation many times in discussions/meetings about airport expansion. It is very rare for ORD not to use one of more of the curren
103 mayor : When I worked at ORD in the 70s and Jane Byrne was Mayor, supposedly one of those winter storms that closed the airport was the FIRST time ORD had be
104 jcwr56 : Exactly and why now you'll never see ORD close again outside of a major aircraft incident. During any snow event, there is at least one runway open a
105 jsnww81 : I would love to see them reconfigure the lanes on I-190 eastbound at Mannheim to eliminate the horrible bottleneck that the lane reduction there caus
106 ord2010 : I was not aware volaris was starting ORD daily, seems odd since they already serve MDW to a lot of mexico daily, you sure? Love that the 748 is comin
107 steex : There isn't enough room to get an additional lane under the railroad viaduct immediately east of Mannheim without eliminating the entrance ramp from
108 Post contains links airplanedaj : This is the official master plan for ORD. Taken directly from the City of Chicago's page. http://www.ohare.com/MasterPlan/Appendix%20E%20-%205.pdf The
109 thekennady : Have not heard anything about Volaris, You know better than us though. Another thing, why did AM connect withdraw from ORD? They used to fly a few pl
110 jcwr56 : Positive on Volaris, I have their schedule in front of me. There's talk this could be a test to see how ORD goes and if it does well, they'll look to
111 ord2010 : as far as the IATA submissions the october 10 date is just for ORD? as for the routes forum, it will be held in Chicago in 2014, do you know if this
112 jcwr56 : No, it's Industry wide. Routes I think is closed to the public. I've never attended one but I'll probably go next year.
113 ord2010 : Do you happen to know how the loads on the HU,OS,QR,AB flights are? and the NH twice dailies to NRT? Sorry to ask all of this, but you seem to be ver
114 william : After buidling new terminals at JFK,MIA and refurbishing DFW, I am not sure AA would be in the mood to build the west terminal complex. Due to the age
115 jcwr56 : Loads on the above have been solid. HU really want the 787 operating now, but they're willing to use the 346 until November. The 2nd NH flight doesn'
116 Post contains images HermansCVR580 : So I have to ask jcwr56 are with the Chicago Department of Aviation? Or something similar? You have some great insight as to the happenings in and aro
117 jcwr56 : Guys, just enjoy the information I provide and leave it at that.
118 ord2010 : Thats a very if I tell you I'd have to kill you answer. I'm gonna guess you work for the CDA. Question to help my understanding of terminal design, H
119 ord2010 : And would you be able to tell us on OCT 10 what was submitted for ORD? So we can know before anything is announced/
120 jcwr56 : No, I wouldn't.... I feel like I'm playing "What's my Line"....(That should date me). Precleared are just deplaned on the departures level instead of
121 airplanedaj : My thinking was kinda opposite of yours. I think that AA has put in an investment to building new hub terminals for themselves. AA would not be the o
122 ord2010 : How about the amount of routes submitted? (as you can see I'm trying to get out what I can of you that is allowed haha.) What airport would you compa
123 AmricanShamrok : Where is the pick-up/drop-off point at T5 for these shuttles? Do they run frequently? Where had the second domestic baggage carousel been located pri
124 jcwr56 : Next to Claim 10 on the lower level near Exit A from Customs. If you're facing Exit A, it's to the right of it. There's currently some TSA office spa
125 Post contains links and images ord2010 : I was just reading the new booklet of the year ORD has had in 2012 and 2013 and it is awesome! A lot of exciting things and good breakdown of the mode
126 jetblastdubai : This is the same airport layout plan that came out years ago and it screams "runway incursion potential". Having worked at ORD as well as the runway
127 thekennady : I see Volaris is listed now but no times. Have any info on the times? Also, do u know why AA is reducing NRT to 5 times weekly? Did AM connect withdr
128 jcwr56 : I have times, 1250-1408. AM connect will be back too. I haven't asked about the reduction, but I can find out if it's that important.
129 thekennady : Thx, good AM connect is coming back. I was wondering about AA because it suprised me they were reducing weekly flights on a highly competitive route,
130 ord2010 : I was surprised as well, with JL looking into a second daily, maybe it is gearing up to launch JL second daily, it would be awesome to see 6 daily OR
131 timberwolf24 : Might we see Ukraine International start IEV-ORD now that Ukraine is back to cat 1 status? Another long shot is SkyGreece to ATH if they actually star
132 ord2010 : I believe Ukraine international was saying they want to launch ORD (Knowing a lot of Russians from Chicago personally, most of them are from Kiev act
133 steex : I'd say almost certainly not in the remotely near future. They have only a single longhaul aircraft presently (a 763) and have no TATL service. I thi
134 thekennady : You did not wait until Volaris made a official announcement for the route? they should and then you can link it.
135 ord2010 : I wouldn't be so sure about that, back when they announced their plans for international growth I believe ORD/JFK were the first two markets mentione
136 mayor : Schedules can and will change at the last minute, no matter how "concrete" you believe them to be. At one time in SLC (pre DL/WA merger) we had an an
137 Mexicana757 : Those times are close to what Volaris currently has on MDW-MEX, 12:58- 1414. Yes it is nice to see that airline chart grow on wiki of one's local air
138 ord2010 : True true, I will edit it out later today, Why are mexican carriers like that? and funny part is FLL is my local, I just deeply like ORD.
139 steex : Don't get me wrong, I never say never. I guess I'm probably looking at in the wrong light anyhow - PS certainly could fly to ORD, but I am very skept
140 Mexicana757 : I have no idea. AM, Interjet and Volaris do this a lot. In July Interjet opened a bunch of new routes in Mexico and only announced them three weeks b
141 ord2010 : That is awesome! I love the growth from ORD maybe it'll need more terminal space sooner than later as we thought! if AM connect returns where do you
142 LFutia : I was at ORD last week and took the ATS... what the hell is happening to the T5 ATS station? So much construction going on there! Leo/ORD
143 jcwr56 : Part of the rehab is to place a sit down restaurant over the ATS platform. The upper level information booth and bank of FIDS monitors will be moved
144 LFutia : Interesting Interesting. I'll be actually flying out of T5 in February for a trip to Amsterdam. Will be very nice to see all the new changes and ever
145 kordcj : I thought the World Gateway Program died when the OMP was announced? All the updated charts, pdfs, and presentations I downloaded from the DoA's webs
146 ord2010 : Wasn't aware of that restaurant coming there, do you know how the access to it will be? and more importantly, the view? is it a full sit down or quic
147 jsnww81 : I ran the O'Hare 5K on the Runway yesterday, and the CDA had a booth set up with lots of schematics and information about the airfield modernization.
148 thekennady : Yes but UA has been adding more mainline as well as AA, and with the new E-175 for Eagle even the regional jets are getting larger. ORD is Slowly but
149 ord2010 : I think UA might be the first to approve any renovation plans for their own personal use with all the work they've done at other airports and with th
150 Post contains images ord2010 : Couldn't a 380 use UA's T1? they have 5 double bridge gates they use on their 777's and 744's, simply deplane with 1 bridge at T5 and board with 2 on
151 steex : I'm not familiar enough to comment on the specific arrangements of these gates, but keep in mind the issue isn't just a matter of jetways - the 380 i
152 jetblastdubai : T1, specifically the B concourse wasn't designed to handle aircraft of this size. As you can see from the photo, the gate area at B16/B17 is extremel
153 ripcordd : Term 5 Int building is going to get some great sit down places to eat it already has Rick Bayless which is amazing, but it is getting Hub 51 Wow Bao a
154 thekennady : Even the 744s are a tight fit at the double jetway gates at C and B, 748 is going to be even a tighter fit. Like was stated before, you would need so
155 Post contains links jcwr56 : For those who haven't seen this before. http://www.chicagot5.com/main/ The city would like to see one operate. However, it would have to arrive/depar
156 thekennady : As far as the A380, AF? They wont even keep that A332 year round and with competition fom UA, AA and with ORD not being on the coast or a skyteam hub
157 ckfred : Actually, I think ORD closed during the January blizzard of 1967. But as jcwr56 said, ORD manages to keep 1 runway operational during heavy snowfall.
158 jcwr56 : Now with everything you said, try laying it out in phases. ATS, Lynx building, catering company, Delta cargo, CPD facilities, roadway work needs to b
159 AmricanShamrok : Where would Terminals 4 and 6 be relative to the existing core and T5? Would these be in addition to the Western Terminal? The Master Plan doesn't mak
160 AVENSAB727 : According to wikipedia, ORD is now UA's largest hub, I doubt this is true, since Wikipedia is not trustworthy all of the time. I corrected it, but I h
161 LAXdude1023 : How did you calculate the traffic at each hub?
162 jcwr56 : 4 is north of the "L" concourse, 6 is tied onto T5 heading east and north (Just mirror T5) This is really the old World Gateway program that was scra
163 thekennady : Last i saw ORD has more daily flights, IAH has more mainline and more passeger throughput. If you check the latest numbers it should confirm this.
164 AVENSAB727 : Ah yes, silly me, I guess this puts IAH as its largest hub, when it comes to capacity. I keep forgetting this, Darn.
165 thekennady : K16 might work, the question is would there be enough room for the tug since the 773 would have to be moved as far up as possible. What about K12? 77
166 jetblastdubai : Sadly, the last decade is going to haunt United for years to come. Aircraft retirements outnumbered replacement aircraft and service was either cut o
167 thekennady : Sure, AA and UA both have room to grow at ORD. Both have a steady stream of new planes coming in. But are most being bought for repalcements of for f
168 Post contains links and images Confuscius : New operating configurations when runway 10C-28C opens. Departing airplanes will not use entire 13,000 ft runway (10L-28R). http://www.flychicago.com/
169 type-rated : I read a story about this in the Houston Chronicle about 6 months ago. The UA hub at IAH is now larger than the hub at ORD in terms of passengers and
170 Post contains links AmricanShamrok : ORD-SNN will be extended from May 22nd -September 14th next year (this year it ran June 6th-August 26th). Frequency will also be increased to daily Ju
171 thekennady : So 10L/28R will now be mainly a departure Runway?
172 Post contains links and images Confuscius :
173 sovietjet : This makes no sense. Shouldn't it be backwards? For example take the "East Flow". A plane lands on 10C and then has to backtrack taxi almost the enti
174 ord2010 : Glad to hear about the extension to SNN, I don't think UA thought this route would fare so well considering it hadn't done amazing when EI ran it a c
175 thekennady : Traffic will be even more spread out. Taxi times will be long from 10/28C...I would have thought 10L/28R would still be used mainly for arrivals and
176 Post contains links Confuscius : Here's a link to a more detailed utilization of runways beginning Oct. 17. http://www.oharenoise.org/PDFs/Other...13/ORD%20Runway%20Use%20101713.pdf
177 jetblastdubai : This planned configuration is actually brilliant and you can tell that active controllers helped design the flow. First of all, the full length of 10
178 N353SK : 10,000 feet is plenty of runway for almost all traffic at ORD. The only aircraft that consistently require full length are the ones destined to the M
179 ord2010 : Given today's big DFW announcement, can we expect something new at ORD on the AA front that is not moving more regional flights to mainline (which I h
180 747megatop : Does anyone think AA will reinstate ORD-DEL non stop or for that matter introduce ORD-BOM non stop? Or, is AA content with BA code shares via LHR?
181 ord2010 : To me AA seems pretty content at ORD, like US CEO said that they are practically giving away business to UA at ORD and neglecting that hub which I 10
182 Post contains links and images yeogeo : Finally! have a Hainan a/c at ORD in the database. View Large View MediumPhoto © Matt Kostelnick Congrats ORD and Matt Kostelnick for capturing the b
183 thekennady : AA had to make a move to Asia, they could not wait to fall behind futher to the likes of UA and DL. DFW is thier largest hub and is where they domina
184 nomorerjs : What about ORD-MXP/BCN (at least for summer) or seasonal like UA to GLA?
185 nomorerjs : I meant AA to GLA like UA to EDI or SNN, seasonal.
186 ord2010 : I totally agree, seeing all of AA's expansion at DFW does disappoint me, they're pretty much giving up the market to UA and other carriers, and what
187 thekennady : Yes but unlike DFW, ORD is so saturated with international service that there are few markets left for AA to expand to without running into direct co
188 jetblastdubai : Except for the fact that United is retiring older planes faster than they are replacing them. Their fleet is actually shrinking and not growing. They
189 ckfred : This is from a friend of mine who is an AA pilot based at ORD. When Doug Parking was trying to convince the unions to support the US takeover, one of
190 ord2010 : For the sake of ORD I hope the merger passes, if not I see ORD becoming a stagnant hub for AA, meaning nothing changes it just sits there making mone
191 Post contains links IrishAyes : Correct. QF never actually flew its metal to ORD. The flights were loaded in the system as QF 92/93 operating 3x weekly MEL-LAX-ORD but were withdraw
192 ckfred : If the City and State don't do anything about the poor business climate and the unfunded pensions for government employees, then AA is going to event
193 LAXdude1023 : This is a true statement, however AA is also retrenching to where they are most profitable in a way. DFW was heavily under utilized and could have be
194 mt99 : Whaaa! FYI Chicago tourism at all time high, Boeing, United are a few of major corp recently made the Loop their home..
195 United787 : Have you been to Chicago? Chicago is flourishing and never has looked better. Don't confuse the poorly managed state government with the economic cli
196 EaglePower83 : Seriously, I think you need to be updated, like others have said. As a native Chicagoan I had to leave several years ago when the market plummeted. I
197 mt99 : Chicago politics is a mess because despite its own mess because Chicago is doing pretty good - so there is no incentive to change or fix a broken sys
198 ord2010 : Albeit that its governing body is a mess, they still manage to successfully run this mega world class city, I wish Miami had their governing body, th
199 Post contains images kngkyle : I would agree it isn't "flourishing" but it certainly isn't doing as bad as you make it out to be. For one, the city is about to land it's biggest co
200 Post contains links kngkyle : Also a bit of info about how the new runway will impact capacities: "During low visibility, for instance, when planes are landing toward the West at O
201 Post contains links chicawgo : Almost all indicators are up that the business climate in Chicago is improving so LAXdude's comments may be based on listening to too much national me
202 ord2010 : agreed! Not to mention the new tower by the convention center and the first ever virgin hotel (yet virgin atlantic only flies seasonally to ORD!) The
203 chicawgo : I believe for a few recent months ORD actually did overtake ATL for movements... however it probably won't be enough for all of 2013. But next year i
204 Mexicana757 : Its finally official Volaris has placed for sale ORD-MEX on their website. Flights start December 17. The flight will have different flight numbers th
205 thekennady : Are u sure its 208am departure From ORD? Must be 208pm....
206 Post contains images Mexicana757 : It is 2:08pm. Just corrected it. That would have been one long flight.
207 thekennady : Will be interesting to see the 2013 numbers, ORD will certainly close the gap. 2014 ORD should be back on top.
208 thekennady : Amazing how ORD is fitting another afternoon arrival into T5, between 2-4pm its packed, but anything after 1230pm is still a busy time at T5
209 jcwr56 : If this does well, don't be shocked to see them move their entire operation from MDW to ORD.
210 jcwr56 : 1400-1600 will expand to 1330-1700 sooner, than later.
211 ord2010 : Very exciting to finally see this announced, although sad to see MDW gone it's nice to see it moved to ORD! T5 is tight! especially with AM launching
212 thekennady : Y4 has not made any announcements about moving out of MDW as of yet. If ORD does well as was stated Y4 may move its operations to ORD. Y4 at MDW is a
213 ord2010 : I meant it as in this specific route will end in december at MDW to operate at ORD, but I would like to see the airline run both, to me I see CHI-MEX
214 thekennady : Ok, i see what you mean. ORD-MEX will be very competitive with 4 carriers, hopefully Y4 can still keep thier niche at MDW to the smaller Mexican mark
215 LFutia : Illinois is reducing their income tax from 5% to 3,75% in 2015. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if our state ends up in bankruptcy. Then we can final
216 ORDTLV2414 : AA may begin ORD-TLV post merger, on a 787 if possible. I'm purely speculating on both but TLV has been disscussed for a while, and either LY or AA wi
217 TrijetsRMissed : Perhaps remedial to some, but in the immediate future ORD will once again see 717 service. IIRC, the service inaugurating on 1/6/14 from ATL, will be
218 thekennady : Within 2-5 years if I was a betting man Why would this be a good thing besides benefiting ORD? Big picture thinking: AA and US are turning profits, b
219 type-rated : Has Chicago companies made their salaries more competitive? Last time I looked, most pay scales in Chicago were lower than the national average, plus
220 EaglePower83 : IDK....when I compare my "suburban" cost of living in CT to the suburban and urban cost of living in Chicago......it's honestly a wash. In fact, due
221 type-rated : You know what they used to say in New York, you can move to Texas and get a house and a car for what you pay for in rent alone. I moved to Texas many
222 apodino : And although UA placed a 737 order recently, they don't exactly have a lot of them coming in, which is going to make it hard for them to grow domesti
223 Post contains images mt99 : The down side, is that you live in Texas
224 ord2010 : CDA reps are working hard for those new south american routes, even if its cargo. Not too long ago they hosted Colombian delegates at ORD and talked a
225 kordcj : Is the CDA trying to spread around fees and thus making them lower per carrier by increasing the number of carriers flying into the airport? Is that
226 ckfred : On the one hand, AA is sitting on empty space. But on the other, a lot of mainline gates have been divided into 2 or even 3 gates. H1 and H3 are each
227 crAAzy : This point has been well clarified by ckfred above as to the actual number of gates AA has and how they've converted many of them to multi-use gates
228 Post contains links yeogeo : Joe Cahill of Crain’s Chicago Business believes that Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel’s recent endorsement (along with 6 other mayors) of the US/AA merg
229 muralir : I actually think the Western Terminal with its own western access is a really lousy idea. A western access road is a pretty stupid thing for the weste
230 Post contains links yeogeo : An underground link from existing terminals to this proposed Western Terminal is part of the plan. See, for example, here: http://www.airport-technol
231 jcwr56 : The western terminal breakdown that's shown but not detailed in the OMP. 1.5 MM square feet. 60 gates - 16 Jumbo - 14 Wide-body - 6 Narrow-body -24 Re
232 yeogeo : Can you explain what you mean here? yeo
233 AmricanShamrok : I think all connecting international arrivals have to re-clear security as part of DHS regulations.
234 jcwr56 : The western terminal remote concourse is too far to walk to, so they'll have a tram to run between main western terminal and the remote western termi
235 Mir : There would have to be another security check, because during the customs process passengers have access to their checked luggage. What you describe
236 Post contains links timberwolf24 : Glad to see this thread still going! I saw this the other day, Air Serbia is looking to start service to ORD by 2016. http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal
237 Post contains links and images yeogeo : Ah, I see. I couldn't jive what you were saying with what I was seeing, as in: This plan is reminiscent of CDG or LYS to me with their great intermod
238 kordcj : What's the point of the jumbo and wide body gates if there are no federal inspection services? Is this something that the CBP agency has to agree to
239 Post contains images jcwr56 : I need to find the layout, but there was talk of adding an underground ATS that would connect airside from T6 all the way to the western terminal wit
240 Mir : No FIS, no point to building it. -Mir
241 yeogeo : Apparently its envisioned (along with an intermodal station) as a domestic terminal; that's where most of the need for gates is after all (T-5 has it
242 thekennady : 748 is here to stay, LH430 arrived at 1:40pm local time from FRA
243 Post contains links and images yeogeo : excellent! Next on the list: A-380. Do we have to wait for a T-5 expansion or are there plans to install double jet bridges to an existing gate? Anyon
244 ckfred : The one think I've never seen in proposals for the western terminal is how it will be connected to the other 4 terminals, the remote parking lots off
245 thekennady : T5 is the only terminal that could support the A380 Allbeit with additional jetways needing to be added. With LH departing from T1 the A380 is not ha
246 jetblastdubai : Burying the train would be enormously expensive and bussing passengers on city streets would defeat any advantage of travel time for passengers from
247 yeogeo : True! Imagine the publicity for inaugurating service with the whale jet. That would get some attention! yeo
248 ckfred : Intriguing idea, but that looks to be 4 or 5 miles of track that would need to be laid around the north and west sides of the field. Also, with the e
249 Post contains links airfinair : If you would like to see what the Illinois Dept. of Transportation thinks about the 'West Terminal', you may want to browse their Elgin-O'Hare West By
250 jetblastdubai : I realize that's a lot of elevated track but it's still better than the cost and design nightmares of adding underground track below existing termina
251 Post contains images yeogeo : People! IF (and that's a big if) the Western Terminal is built there will be a connection to the other terminals. The only "evidence" I've seen again
252 Post contains images jcwr56 : Solid Red: ATS Extension underground Dashed Blue: CTA Blueline extension underground Dashed Red: Metra Yellow: Possible underground highway to access
253 Post contains links iowaman : This thread is getting quite long, here is part two: What's Next For ORD Part 2 (by iowaman Oct 30 2013 in Civil Aviation) This thread will be archive
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