MesaFlyGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 3840 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 16704 times:
A few reasons:
1. Not enough in the fleet at the moment.
2. They cannot profitably fly them on the route because the current a380 doesn't have the range to do so with a full payload. Qf has expressed the desire to use the new IGW a380s on the DFW route when they come on property in the next few years.
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ADent From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1523 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 16645 times:
B744ER is used. There was a thread this week about the first time a B744 (non-ER) was used due to equipment substitution. It was pre-planned to stop in AKL because it doesn't have the range to make DFW-BNE (though it did make it SYD-DFW).
Only 744ER. The other day was the first time they have ever used a 744 on the route, and was only because the original aircraft went tech and they therefore subbed whatever they could find at short notice.
Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 1): They cannot profitably fly them on the route because the current a380 doesn't have the range to do so with a full payload
Quoting PHX787 (Reply 2): 1. Not enough in the fleet at the moment.
I never thought that was an issue.
Technically they could do it, but with no spares in the A380 fleet (3x SYD-LHR, 3x MEL-LHR, 2x SYD-LAX, 2x MEL-LAX, 2x SYD-DFW = 12). I guess that isn't an insurmountable problem as they could sub 747s to cover maintenance.
Range is the biggest issue. The million dollar question right now is whether the route goes HGW A380 or 2x 787 in the future. We will find out in due course, but in the mean time we will have a weekly thread on the subject
At 7,454nm I would think the 77LR could handle the route with relative ease. I know Delta's ATL-JNB route, which is nearly the same distance at 7,333nm, takes on a full load of freight both coming and going more often than not. One thing is for certain, it's a much more capable aircraft for such a long route when it comes to hauling cargo than anything Qantas has in their fleet at the moment.
roseflyer From United States of America, joined exactly 12 years ago today! , 10927 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 13992 times:
This is when Qantas wished it had the 777 since it is really the only plane in production that can make a route like this work. The A359 should be able to along with maybe the 747-8 and 787, but Qantas has focused on the A380 which is not an ultra long range plane yet. EK wants to fly the A380 to LAX but the payload restrictions make it not work economically. If Airbus continues to increase MTOW we might see the A380 work.
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AY-MD11 From Finland, joined Feb 2001, 475 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 13309 times:
Quoting roseflyer (Reply 12): This is when Qantas wished it had the 777 since it is really the only plane in production that can make a route like this work. The A359 should be able to along with maybe the 747-8 and 787
747-8 doesn't help on this route because it has even less range than a380.
BLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 491 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 12698 times:
Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 5): DFW-SYD is a 16hr + sector on an average day. The 569t MTOW /~292t DOW version will not carry the 484-seats that QF has it is laid out for. Max payload is just over 42t.
This route is right up there on the list of longest non-stop routes. I think it is going to become rank 1 once SQ withdraws the two A345 services SIN to LAX and EWR.
Yes you are correct. It is also important to note the SQ service is on the subfleet of A345s that are in 100biz class seat configuration. I've seen a short documentary on the route, and the demand is there for the route. However, the only plane with the legs is being retired, and the weight of fuel carried really drags down the profit potential.
So, now that the rant is done, SYDNEY-DFW is the longest route with a 'normal' config
EK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5409 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (2 years 4 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10861 times:
Quoting wedgetail737 (Reply 13): Quoting roseflyer (Reply 12):
This is when Qantas wished it had the 777
QF called the 777 an old, outdated airplane and would never buy any. QF also reduced the number of Dreamliners on order. I don't think QF has any money to buy new airplanes.
You sure about QF not having any money? Last time I checked they had close to $3 billion in cash reserves. I understand it might not be a lot when the factor in the size of the QF Group but its still cash.
QF have indicated the remaining 8 A380 frames to feature a 3 class cabin which is a clear indication these aircraft are destined to serve any of the following; SYD-DFW, BNE-LAX, SYD-SCL, SYD-JNB, SYD-NRT.
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: So the new aircraft they have been taking from Boeing (737's and 787's soon) as well as the refirbs they have done on all thier long range aircraft s
: And other than DFW what would they have done with them? Maybe they could operate QF15 BNE-LAX QF107 LAX-JFK QF108 JFK-LAX QF16 LAX-BNE. So 2 routes,
: Isn't it obvious? Because the numbers add up. Why on earth would they say no to good profit?
: QF had a huge order for 787's and they chopped a significant number of them because they were running out of money. $3B in reserves sound like a lot
: Mean while they still have the JQ 787's coming, they have 50 options for 789's for mainline and they are taking 737's? I dont get how you can back up
: Qantas is profitable on a group wide basis, the International division is the only part that is loss making. The loss on their international flights
: Because the numbers didn't add up. The numbers obviously say its better to run the B744ER until the IGW A380 & B787s turn up then buy a one off a
: Ok...thanks for the corrections and thanks for the responses without being RUDE...like zkokq.
: If QF wished they had the 77L, they'd go out and purchase a few. And seeing as QF is operating the route with the 744ER, the route must be working fo
: Because that's what QF has in their fleet. There's also the fact that SYD-DFW passes through the small part of the Pacific that is restricted under E
: They are used on five routes, in addition to the SYD-DFW-BNE-SYD rotation, they are also routinely scheduled on BNE-LAX-BNE, BNE-SIN-BNE, SYD-SCL-SYD
: Sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. In the SYD - DFW case it seems they didn't. In the LCY - JFK case it seems they did. In the SIN LAX/EWR i
: Did you crunch the numbers right? Introducing one sub type into the fleet is a costly exercise & I'm sure QF explored every avenue prior to order