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Australian Aviation Thread # 79  
User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 697 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 2 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 21362 times:

G'day and welcome to the Australian Aviation Thread # 79. In the previous thread, the following points were discussed/raised:

* Perth Airport to close RWY 06/24 for a period of 6 months due cracking
* Surge in Australia - Dubai traffic
* Jetstar to commence Adelaide - Auckland services from December 2013
* ACC and trans-Tasman services
* Australia - South Africa services
* Qantas cancels planned delivery of a 747-400F
* Qantas to rollout Q-Streaming system on its A330 fleet
* Qantas announces intention to codeshare with Jet Airways of India over Hong Kong
* ACCC gives the green light to the VA / NZ trans-Tasman agreement until 2018
* Accor to take over management of some Qantas Lounges
* Jetstar Asia announces expansion plans under expanded Singapore-Indonesia bilateral
* Jetstar to commence MEL-HKT services from December 2013 and increase SIN / HNL
* Singapore - Osaka and Beijing Jetstar A330 services cancelled from end November 2013
* QantasLink Dash 8-200 visits Darwin as part of a Captain's Choice Tour
* Air New Zealand given green light to increase stake in Virgin Australia
* Virgin Australia's ownership
* Dubbo Airport to provide subsidy to attract more airlines
* Brindabella Airlines reamed for poor OTP, meets with locals to discuss services
* Gold Air Bendigo closer to launching Bendigo - Melbourne (Essendon) flights
* QantasLink 717-200s to operate services ex-Hobart
* QantasLink 717-200 flying ex-Canberra
* Qantas' profit for the 2012-2013 FY
* Expression of interest for Our Airline 733 charter flight ex-Brisbane in Nov / Dec
* Sydney Airport masterplan
* Australian and New Zealand airlines and China
* Qantas rolls out 767-300 VH-OGG sporting Disney "Planes" decals
* Jetstar's first 787 VH-VKA airborne once again (test flights)
* Bendigo Airport - possible new flights / routes
* Jetstar 787 paintscheme
* AN124 flight into Perth
* Jetstar launches dedicated Dreamliner website for its 787
* Singapore Airlines Brisbane flights
* United 839 diverts to Brisbane, as well as a HA A330 (first HA A330 visit to BNE)
* Allegiant Air model - success in Australia?

Australian Aviation Thread # 78

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User currently offlineQFVHOQA From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days ago) and read 21326 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 201):
One thing I was looking at yesterday was JQ and where it can grow from MEL, with substantial extra terminal space in the new T4 coming online in a couple of years. Where exactly can people see them targeting?

With QF saying goodbye to 763s on domestic routes within a couple of years, and the replacements mainly 738s, I see JQ picking up the lost discount Y capacity on routes to SYD & BNE. Possible new routes from MEL for JQ? AYQ, PPP, MKY would be a start. At a stretch I could see VLI, PQQ or even BME to supplement QF's flights. BME is a market ripe for competition as fares are quite high, but I hear it's a very expensive place all round.


User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 697 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 months 4 days ago) and read 21315 times:

VIRGIN AUSTRALIA

* On 17 September 2013, Virgin Australia's Newman services began operating out of Terminal 3 at Perth
* Virgin Australia has now begun using the new Terminal at Denpasar / Bali Airport for all arrivals. Departing Virgin Australia flights will continue to operate from the old terminal, immediately adjacent to the new terminal

Virgin Australia Travel Toolkit

* VA's dedicated A330 gate at Brisbane Airport will close over the coming days in preparation for gate and aerobridge works. Upon completion, Gate 40 will be able to take an A330 or two 737-sized aircraft concurrently (much like the setup at the International Terminal). BAC is also expected to commence works shortly on the expansion of the tarmac surrounding the Virgin Australia section of the terminal.

VIRGIN AUSTRALIA UNVEILS THE FUTURE OF IN-FLIGHT ENTERTAINMENT

Quote:
Virgin Australia has officially launched its new Wireless Inflight Entertainment system, representing a new era in the way travellers experience entertainment in the sky.

The entertainment platform is the first of its kind in the Asia Pacific region, giving customers the ability to stream content to their own devices, including smartphones, laptops and tablets, through in- built wireless technology on board.

Following a successful trial earlier this year, Virgin Australia is now extending the wireless innovation across its domestic and short-haul international network. Thirty-seven (37) aircraft are now fitted out with the new technology, including aircraft operating on routes to New Zealand and the Pacific Islands, which went live earlier this week. The roll-out across Virgin Australia’s Boeing 737-800 and Embraer E190 fleet will be complete before the end of the year.

Virgin Australia Chief Customer Officer Mark Hassell said: “At Virgin Australia, we are passionate about customer experience, and that often means redefining travel. We know that in-flight entertainment is a key driver in customer satisfaction. Our research shows that around 90% of our customers travel with at least one smartphone, laptop or tablet.

Continues...

I have had the pleasure of using VA's new streaming IFE system and I have to say I am extremely impressed. The system was flawless and has plenty to keep passengers entertained. It's pleasing to see that a moving map is available, and quite a good one at that. I guess the main downside with such a system is that your device ultimately needs to be fully charged prior to use, especially on longer sectors such as Australia - Samoa, Phuket and Denpasar / Bali.


BRISBANE AIRPORT

Brisbane Airport Corporation has released plans for its new, dedicated Charter Terminal to be built north of the existing Domestic Terminal (QF area). BAC expects to commence construction on the facility Q1 2014, with completion sometime in Q1 2015.

Brisbane Charter Terminal

Source

Quote:
In the last few years, the growth in Fly-In/Fly-Out (FIFO) and charter operations at Brisbane Airport has prompted Brisbane Airport Corporation (BAC) to review how this market segment may best be accommodated and managed.

The proposed Brisbane Charter Terminal (BCT) purpose built facility is to consolidate a sector of FIFO and charter operations at Brisbane Airport and will be managed by Brisbane Airport Corporation.

The BCT will be located in existing General Aviation area, north-east of the Domestic Terminal positioned on the corner of Acacia Street and Dryandra Road.

The Draft Major Development Plan for the proposed BCT has been prepared under the Airports Act 1996 (Cth) and is available for public comment for a period of 60 business days.

This draft Major Development Plan will be available on the website for public comment until COB Wednesday 16 October 2013.



Brisbane Airport Corporation has also lodged a draft MDP to expand DFO. The extension to the DFO includes the addition of retail space, mixed use commercial building with retail plaza and alfresco dining integrating with the Village Markets by a pedestrian walkway. A new multi-level car park will provide extra parking for DFO and centre visitors - source


GOLDAIR BENDIGO

The airline via its FB page has said it is awaiting regulatory approval to commence Bendigo - Melbourne (Essdendon) services and anticipates commencing flights towards the end of October.


WELLCAMP / TOOWOOMBA AIRPORT

It's full steam ahead in terms of construction of the new Wellcamp / Toowoomba Airport. Credit where credit is due, Wagners need to be commended for their determination and pace in terms of the speed of construction. It's amazing to think that come next year Toowoomba will go from having an airport barely capable of taking anything larger than a Dash 8-300, to an airport that will be capable of facilitating 737s, A330s and 747s.

Wagner family's airport dream ready to take flight

Toowoomba Chronicle

Quote:
WAGNERS managing director Denis Wagner is looking forward to the day next year when the first plane takes off from the Wellcamp Airport.

He is especially looking forward to seeing the look on the faces of those people who genuinely thought the project would never get off the ground.

Mr Wagner said the multi-million dollar project has been in the pipeline for more than a decade, but it was only in April last year the family decided to go full steam ahead with the project.

"There was an element of commercial risk associated with the project," Mr Wagner said.

"We certainly did not make the decision to proceed lightly.

"I have no doubt the airport and business park will be a huge success."

Mr Wagner said work on the project had ramped up even further to ensure the construction schedule is met.

"Construction started in April this year and we have more than 65 people working full-time on the project," he said.

"The three-kilometre runway is starting to take shape and is due to be completed by February next year.


Continues...



Image copyright Toowoomba Chronicle - Image source


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25563 posts, RR: 86
Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 21128 times:
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Quoting QF175 (Reply 2):
GOLDAIR BENDIGO

I'm not in any way superstitious, except sometimes. In my business the word "gold" in any title or name is considered extremely unlucky and I don't see any point in tempting fate - just in case.  

But while I think this little airline has a hard row to hoe, I'm, keeping my fingers crossed.

mariner



aeternum nauta
User currently offlinemadog From Australia, joined Nov 2000, 91 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 20981 times:

QUick question:

How long will VH-OGG's Planes decals will remain on for?


User currently offlineallrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2193 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 20947 times:

Quoting madog (Reply 4):
How long will VH-OGG's Planes decals will remain on for?

I've been told it's until the aircraft retires in March 2014, though that seems a bit long unless the video release is delayed. Not that I mind admiring it until then!

[Edited 2013-09-23 16:56:26]


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User currently offlinesq256 From Australia, joined Jul 2010, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 20795 times:

Palmer is looking at using the balance of power in the Senate from mid 2014 to upgrade MCY.

http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au...lmer-flexes-muscle/2030061/?ref=hs

Quote:
CLIVE Palmer will use any balance of power the Palmer United Party achieves in the Senate to ensure he delivers for the Sunshine Coast, with an international airport at Maroochydore high on his priorities.

Mr Palmer made the commitment as a full distribution of preferences began yesterday at the Australian Electoral Commission counting room at Maroochydore.

He sits on a knife's edge 36-vote lead over the LNP's Ted O'Brien.


User currently offlineallrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2193 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 20760 times:

Quoting sq256 (Reply 6):
Palmer is looking at using the balance of power in the Senate from mid 2014 to upgrade MCY.

It might need upgrading to handle an A380 as I'm sure he will require a presidential class jet to shuttle him between his electorate and Canberra, which is unfortunately not equipped for visits by the Royal Yacht (Titanic II).

Anyway, MCY is already an international airport, if only seasonally (also more than you can say of CBR).



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User currently offlineMikey86 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 20709 times:

TG's BNE services.

They are changing their operating schedule slightly out of BNE, please see below

BNE-BKK TG474 1335/1945
BKK-BNE TG473 2359/1205+1

As you can see BKK-BNE remains the same. The change is on BNE-BKK. This will make for better connections onwards to DEL and possibly some other destinations.

This is effective 27OCT13.



mikey86 - Greenslopes, Queensland
User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3010 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 20682 times:

Oh... the man gets power and gets even more demanding... I'm scared  
Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 1):
With QF saying goodbye to 763s on domestic routes within a couple of years, and the replacements mainly 738s, I see JQ picking up the lost discount Y capacity on routes to SYD & BNE.

I could see this to a point, but I guess they will see what TT does.

As we have seen in the past, JQ have been very agressive in following TT's moves and adjusting their route network to counter that.

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 1):
Possible new routes from MEL for JQ? AYQ, PPP, MKY would be a start. At a stretch I could see VLI, PQQ or even BME to supplement QF's flights. BME is a market ripe for competition as fares are quite high, but I hear it's a very expensive place all round.

Some interesting choices there.

I could see some more Queensland routes (MKY, PPP) but I do wonder if they may try some more interesting choices. Toowoomba's building a new airport. Is that maybe a JQ route in future? Yes its left field, but hey who knows.


User currently offlineDeltaB717 From Australia, joined Jun 2012, 559 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 20633 times:
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PQQ with A320s? Loooooooooooong way down the track methinks, especially from MEL...

User currently offlineallrite From Australia, joined Aug 2007, 2193 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 20599 times:

Quoting QF175 (Reply 2):
I have had the pleasure of using VA's new streaming IFE system and I have to say I am extremely impressed. The system was flawless and has plenty to keep passengers entertained. It's pleasing to see that a moving map is available, and quite a good one at that. I guess the main downside with such a system is that your device ultimately needs to be fully charged prior to use, especially on longer sectors such as Australia - Samoa, Phuket and Denpasar / Bali.

It's great to know that the moving map is available. Does anyone know if the map is available on QF's 767 iPads?

BYOD IFE needs power to the seat and preferably not just USB charging. Will VA be providing this as well? I still prefer seatback entertainment, in part because it means fewer devices required per family, plus you can often use it from gate to gate.



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User currently offlineSingapore 777 From Australia, joined May 1999, 1016 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 20369 times:

Quoting allrite (Reply 11):
It's great to know that the moving map is available. Does anyone know if the map is available on QF's 767 iPads?

Nope, the QF 767 iPads do not have a moving map.


User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 697 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 20351 times:

Virgin Australia is about to take delivery of its next A330-200 (number 7), VH-XFH. Like VH-XFG, it appears the aircraft will operate Toulouse - Melbourne nonstop, arriving late on Thursday night.

That's one looooooong flight!


User currently offlineVH-BZF From Australia, joined Oct 1999, 841 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 20204 times:

Quoting QF175 (Reply 13):
Virgin Australia is about to take delivery of its next A330-200 (number 7), VH-XFH. Like VH-XFG, it appears the aircraft will operate Toulouse - Melbourne nonstop, arriving late on Thursday night.

Qantas I understand delivered most if not all its A330-200's except VH-EBA non-stop from TLS to MEL, which at the time was the longest ever flight operated by a wide bodied twin engined aircraft.

Also heard that QF plan to finally replace it's B767 aircraft from Sydney to Honolulu from late 2014 with A330's, mind you I haven't seen it confirmed anywhere yet.

BZF



Ansett Australia - (was) One of the worlds great airlines!
User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4987 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 20162 times:

Tonight's HKG-SYD CX139 SYD-HKG CX138 service was upgraded to a B744 equipment due to typhoon Usagi backlog.

EK8413



Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. We are tonight’s entertainment!
User currently offlineDeltaB717 From Australia, joined Jun 2012, 559 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 20084 times:
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The first of the 'new' QantasLink 717s, N406BC, began its ferry to Australia on 23 September US time. It should become VH-YQS according to the seat map on qantas.com

Has flown Cecil, FL to Billings, MT to Anchorage, AK so far as Southern Cross 1078. I can't find any further routings including where it will arrive in Oz and be prepared for service entry, though I assume either BNE (first revenue service is BNE-CBR) or CBR (easier to get 'slots' for crew training?) or of course ADL (the home of Cobham).

Skyliner:
Boeing 717 -2BL 55178 5128 VH- Cobham / Qantaslink delivery 23sep13 VQQ-BIL-ANC, N-reg ex N406BC

[Edited 2013-09-24 05:55:24]

User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4987 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 20070 times:

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 16):

The 1st B717 will be Canberra based according to another forum.  http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v326/emerbot/null_zps6848fdde.jpg[/QUOTE]

EK8413



Good evening, ladies and gentlemen. We are tonight’s entertainment!
User currently offlineDeltaB717 From Australia, joined Jun 2012, 559 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 20044 times:
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Yes, CBR based but will operate its first revenue service ex-BNE. Also I'm unsure if CBR has the facilities to do the Mx work on a 717 any more, the former VQ hangar (which was built for 717s) has been used for C130 and most recently Q400s.

User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 19863 times:

I think you will find the 717 will be delivered to ADL before it goes into service on BNE-CBR.

Yesterday BNE had it's busiest day ever for aircraft movements approx 720 (To be confirmed).Last month BNE was the 2nd busiest airport for movements in Australia after SYD even beating Bankstown,Jandakot etc.

http://www.airservicesaustralia.com/...-Movement-Snapshot-August-2013.pdf


User currently offlineQF2220 From Australia, joined Aug 2013, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 19541 times:

Quoting QF175 (Reply 2):
VIRGIN AUSTRALIA UNVEILS THE FUTURE OF IN-FLIGHT ENTERTAINMENT

Here is an idea, how about pre flight entertainment (BYOD) using the same system in the VA lounges or even at the VA gates? Surely has to be a point of difference. Enjoy the same items in the lounge/at the gate and onboard.


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5906 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 19529 times:

Quoting QF175 (Reply 2):
VIRGIN AUSTRALIA UNVEILS THE FUTURE OF IN-FLIGHT ENTERTAINMENT

I absolutely agree that streaming is the "future of in-flight entertainment" but IMHO it can only be effective where either the airline provides the device (QF) or the airline provides power points (yes real power points) which UA will do.

Expecting passengers to use their own devise but not providing them with the ability to charge it could be problematic, especially on longer flights which in when IFE comes into its own.

Hopefully this is something that VA is planning to rectify.



Worked Hard, Flew Right
User currently onlineBAeRJ100 From Australia, joined Nov 2011, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 19344 times:

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 19):

I think you will find the 717 will be delivered to ADL before it goes into service on BNE-CBR.

Yep, any Cobham-operated/maintained aircraft - 146/RJ, 717 and Dash 8 - will always be delivered to their home base in ADL. It's also generally where all the heavy maintenance will take place, regardless of where the aircraft is based thereafter.



B738-9/744ER/753/763/777/A320/332/333/388/MD82/717/F100/RJ100/146-100/200/300
User currently offlinecarryon From Australia, joined Aug 2012, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 months 1 day ago) and read 18837 times:

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 16):

Skyliner:
Boeing 717 -2BL 55178 5128 VH- Cobham / Qantaslink delivery 23sep13 VQQ-BIL-ANC, N-reg ex N406BC

The aircraft has been in storage, but was previously operated by Mexicana Click. The first aircraft won't be based in CBR, but out of BNE as the port is already familiar with 717 ops. Subsequent aircraft will be CBR based.

http://www.carry-on.com.au/blog/qantasnew717/

Quoting VH-BZF (Reply 14):
Qantas I understand delivered most if not all its A330-200's except VH-EBA non-stop from TLS to MEL, which at the time was the longest ever flight operated by a wide bodied twin engined aircraft.

VH-XFH has just arrived in MEL in 20 hrs 45mins: http://ow.ly/peMz3

QF Group #A330s -EBB, -EBC, -EBF were all delivered TLS-MEL direct, -EBQ delivered TLS-SYD. SYD further than MEL. Rumour is Virgin delivered two of their A330s over a longer routing to beat Qantas' record.

[Edited 2013-09-26 07:27:56]

User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (1 year 2 months 13 hours ago) and read 18634 times:

Virgin announced twice weekly BNE-Cloncurry services starting in November on Wednesday and Friday with E-190'S.

User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5906 posts, RR: 5
Reply 25, posted (1 year 2 months 13 hours ago) and read 18728 times:

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 24):
Virgin announced twice weekly BNE-Cloncurry services starting in November on Wednesday and Friday with E-190

That's an interesting addition. I assume that they have the support of some mining company or other for that it acts as a quasi-charter, and I wish them all the best on the route. It is good to see VA branching out into more regional Queensland flying as it is a market that QantasLink has milked for many years (and one of the most profitable networks in the entire Group) and some competition won't hurt anyone.

It will be interesting to see how Qantas respond as they currently don't fly BNE-CNJ. If this is indeed a quasi-charter then there probably is much they can or will do, but if it isn't then they might look at opening this route in the future. Tit for tat, sure, but I would expect them to defend their turf in regional Queensland.



Worked Hard, Flew Right
User currently offlineBenSandilands From Australia, joined Mar 2013, 220 posts, RR: 1
Reply 26, posted (1 year 2 months 11 hours ago) and read 18656 times:

Virgin's Cloncurry service is of considerable historical significance.

This is what I wrote elsewhere:

(quote)

A new page will be turned in the illustrious history of flight in the vast outback of Queensland on 27 November when Virgin Australia starts twice weekly non-stop flights between Cloncurry and Brisbane using Embraer E190 jets.

The event will not for a moment shade the great story of the very first scheduled Q.A.N.T.A.S flights between Charleville and Cloncurry which began in 1922, nor the hard won pioneering extension of its network directly into Brisbane in 1929.

But it will be a moment to reflect on how such a vast, and to this day, tough land played such a foundation role in the start of commercial aviation, while the action, measured in metrics of passengers and freight-times-distance flew away in a progression of bigger, faster, flying contraptions, into a different more rapidly changing world compared to the isolated community experience that is found to this day ‘out back.’

Consider this. The role of the early Queensland and Northern Territory Aerial Services flights was to get people and mail to the railway stations where they could board steam engine drawn wooden carriages of intricately crafted construction for incredibly slow and long journeys to the small capital town on the lower reaches of the Brisbane River.

Less than 100 years later Australia has become a continent of only five truely modestly sized cities by the standards of the early 21st century, and the outback, while far more comfortable and civilised than it was before aviation and radio stations, remains amazingly remote and ‘wide open’, a long way off the beaten highways and flyways of our times.

In this context, an airline like Virgin Australia, announcing a non-stop 98 seat jet service , is not ‘just another addition to a regional network.’ It is the arrival of a time machine.

The new flights will straighten out, and radically shorten the air access between Cloncurry and Brisbane, which until they start, has been via Mt Isa or Townsville.

Flying the route, in what is the premier single aisle airliner in the world for cabin space in business or economy seating, will be a somewhat surreal transition between an outback the airline pioneers of the 1920s would still recognise and the stupendous river city from what for them would have been the unimaginable future that is our present.

(unquote)

There are great histories of Q.A.N.T.A.S accessible online which deal with those early years and the town's firm grip if you visit it, on being the destination for the first scheduled fare paying customer for the airline.


User currently offlineflyinghighboy From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 27, posted (1 year 2 months 11 hours ago) and read 18932 times:

Anyone know what extra flights or capacity was put on for Freo fans to head to Melbourne?

Hearing stories that some went via Bali and even Singapore just to get to Melbourne from Perth.


User currently offlinebwwt From Australia, joined Jul 2013, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (1 year 2 months 10 hours ago) and read 18896 times:

Looks like Qantas will be 'trialling' all day check in for flights leaving SYD T1.
Interestingly you are 'not allowed' to leave the terminal.
http://www.ausbt.com.au/qantas-trial...-international-flights-from-sydney


User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 29, posted (1 year 2 months 10 hours ago) and read 18876 times:

Currrently bne-Cloncurry is operated by Alliance on closed Fifo flights 4 times a week and they also leave on Wednesday and Fridays as well with 2 flights both days.

User currently offlinearyonoco From Australia, joined May 2012, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (1 year 2 months 10 hours ago) and read 18853 times:

A question I've been thinking about for a while:

Considering the current state of Australia-Africa flights, Africa's (especially East Africa's) gradual but steady economic development and the increasing number of middle class that's going to reside in that region, the increasing number of Africans who live in Australia (I know of sizable Somali and Sudanese and a not insignificant Ethiopian communities in Melbourne), is it conceivable that we might see direct flights from the likes of ET or KQ to MEL and SYD in the near future?

I know that the big 3 ME carriers currently service this market, but surely a direct flight is going to be a lot more convenient and can be a lot more economical? The distances from NBO and ADD to Australia are comparable to DXB, so they don't even need a ULH bird or anything like that. Then there is the fact that KQ is part of Sky Team and they surely can't be very happy with how they are servicing the Australian market, so they would definitely love to see KQ come into Australia. Which also means any airline operating these routes could potentially also steal a percentage of the juicy Australia-Europe traffic.

Is it just me, or is there really an opening in the market?


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5906 posts, RR: 5
Reply 31, posted (1 year 2 months 10 hours ago) and read 18849 times:

Quoting bwwt (Reply 28):
Quoting AusBT:
There's only one caveat: Qantas says that you can't leave the airport. That means there's no dropping off your checked luggage in the morning for an evening flight, then heading into Sydney for the day

That will, of course, be totally unenforceable. Even if you checked in and then didn't proceed through security and customs until 6 hours later, they wouldn't be able to prove that you simply weren't chilling landside rather than having a jolly in CBD.

Personally I think that it is a great idea! This will be especially useful for people who are connecting from regional centres (on separate bookings) that only see a handful of flights per day. To use an example, my girlfriend is flying ARM-SYD-LHR on QF, but booked separately, and has a 6.5 hour layover in SYD. The next flight from ARM would have cut the connection too fine (something like 90 minutes) which you wouldn't want to do if you have to reclaim your bags, change terminals by train/TBus, line up for check-in again etc. Being able to check-in and dump her case, rather than drag it around mindlessly for 4 hours, will make a huge difference, as it would free you up to do something "useful" with that time (even if it's only go aside and admire the prices in Duty Free) rather than be restricted from what you can do by having your case with you.



Worked Hard, Flew Right
User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 935 posts, RR: 2
Reply 32, posted (1 year 2 months 9 hours ago) and read 18796 times:

Quoting carryon (Reply 23):
VH-XFH has just arrived in MEL in 20 hrs 45mins:

Flew over the top of my home, looking very nice, with a quite distinctive sound, sounding very "shrill". Good to see a 717 back at MEL.



remember the t shirt "I own an airline"on the front - "qantas" on the back
User currently offlineskyhawkmatthew From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (1 year 2 months 8 hours ago) and read 18715 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 31):
Being able to check-in and dump her case, rather than drag it around mindlessly for 4 hours, will make a huge difference,

She should be able to check her bags through from ARM to LHR and then do whatever she wants while she's in Sydney anyway... that's what my family's always done ex-PQQ.



Qantas - The Spirit of Australia.
User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3082 posts, RR: 1
Reply 34, posted (1 year 2 months 8 hours ago) and read 18721 times:

Quoting QF175 (Reply 2):
* On 17 September 2013, Virgin Australia's Newman services began operating out of Terminal 3 at Perth

Just to clarify. Virgin have flown to ZNE from T3 for a long time, however, the services that are operated by Virgin Australia Regional Airlines, on their A320s, will also operate from T3 now.

Quoting QF175 (Reply 13):

Virgin Australia is about to take delivery of its next A330-200 (number 7), VH-XFH. Like VH-XFG, it appears the aircraft will operate Toulouse - Melbourne nonstop, arriving late on Thursday night.

Saw it overfly me yesterday night.

Quoting flyinghighboy (Reply 27):

Anyone know what extra flights or capacity was put on for Freo fans to head to Melbourne?

Hearing stories that some went via Bali and even Singapore just to get to Melbourne from Perth.

Yesterday, I estimate about 80% of pax on the PER-ADL VA722 flight were wearing Purple. Both the SYD and BNE overnight flight were filled with mostly MEL connecting passengers. Even the flight to KGI had quite a few purple-clad passengers connecting to the VARA F100 flight to MEL from KGI. Virgin are flying quite a few extra flights today, incuding an extra overnight flight. Tiger is flying an extra flight overnight, and I believe Alliance has a flight scheduled to Essendon today.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5906 posts, RR: 5
Reply 35, posted (1 year 2 months 8 hours ago) and read 18713 times:

Quoting skyhawkmatthew (Reply 33):
She should be able to check her bags through from ARM to LHR and then do whatever she wants while she's in Sydney anyway

On separate tickets? In the past Qantas Domestic have refused when I've done the same BNE-SYD-xxx. Maybe they are more accommodating in those smaller regional stations?



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User currently offlineskyhawkmatthew From Australia, joined Oct 2005, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (1 year 2 months 8 hours ago) and read 18651 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 35):
On separate tickets? In the past Qantas Domestic have refused when I've done the same BNE-SYD-xxx. Maybe they are more accommodating in those smaller regional stations?

Yeah, separate tickets. We tend to book the overseas portion through the travel agent then just book our own PQQ-SYD-PQQ return. They will even check it beyond the first overseas port, e.g. PQQ-SYD-LAX-LAS. Had to collect the bags at LAX for customs but then just put them on the 'connecting baggage' belt as they were already tagged to LAS.



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User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 935 posts, RR: 2
Reply 37, posted (1 year 2 months 5 hours ago) and read 18514 times:

Quoting TN486 (Reply 32):
Quoting carryon (Reply 23):
VH-XFH has just arrived in MEL in 20 hrs 45mins:

Flew over the top of my home, looking very nice, with a quite distinctive sound, sounding very "shrill". Good to see a 717 back at MEL.

Brainsnap, post was a reference to a 717, which had nothing to do with the post referring to XFH   



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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3010 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (1 year 2 months 3 hours ago) and read 18381 times:

Amazing to see the demand from WA to MEL for tomorrow's match.The purple sure has invaded this city.

Many stakeholders must be having a big party at the amount of demand this has created and the benefits to their organisations, including transport companies, hotels and cafes.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4987 posts, RR: 4
Reply 39, posted (1 year 2 months 1 hour ago) and read 18289 times:

Quoting flyinghighboy (Reply 27):

Anyone know what extra flights or capacity was put on for Freo fans to head to Melbourne?

Hearing stories that some went via Bali and even Singapore just to get to Melbourne from Perth.

Qantas has bumped up capacity on PER-MEL route by positioning a B744 & operating additional A330 / B763 East-West services.
Virgin apparently struggled due to the lack of spare frames and added additional 5,500 seats to deal with the large influx of supporters.

EK8413



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User currently onlineBAeRJ100 From Australia, joined Nov 2011, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (1 year 2 months 1 hour ago) and read 18208 times:

Quoting flyinghighboy (Reply 27):

Anyone know what extra flights or capacity was put on for Freo fans to head to Melbourne?

Cobham sent three aircraft to Essendon via ADL (146-200, -300 and a RJ100).



B738-9/744ER/753/763/777/A320/332/333/388/MD82/717/F100/RJ100/146-100/200/300
User currently offlinebwwt From Australia, joined Jul 2013, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 17382 times:

Qantas will be taking delivery of a 737-800 with a new indigenous scheme. The aircraft will arrive in the fleet in November.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi...ember/story-e6frg95x-1226730000067


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5906 posts, RR: 5
Reply 42, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 17314 times:

Quoting bwwt (Reply 41):

OMGOMGOMG!!! SO EXCITED TO SEE THIS!!!

This is great news, and it will be interesting to see what she looks like. I think that it's great that QF are continuing this tradition. Wunala was obviously repainted last year, and Yananyi is starting to look decidedly faded so I'm expecting her to be repainted shortly. I was [sadly] expecting that to be the end of this theme, so it's good to hear that it will continue.

Incidentally, I finally caught a ride on Yananyi a couple of weeks ago, which was very exciting after flying Wunala last year in the standard colour scheme. I was scared I was never going to get any of them!



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User currently offlinewisborg From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 17138 times:
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According to Brisbane Times, Emirates upgauges BNE to an A380 starting from Wednesday:

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/trav...-of-confidence-20130928-2ukvx.html

The flight schedule on emirates.com confirms this starting with EK434 arriving at 06:05 AM Wednesday.


User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3010 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 17026 times:

Quoting wisborg (Reply 44):
According to Brisbane Times, Emirates upgauges BNE to an A380 starting from Wednesday:

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/trav...-of-confidence-20130928-2ukvx.html

Some interesting comments on that story. I'm guessing a few members from here  

Great to see BNE getting its first scheduled A380 flights. Took a few years but it finally came.


User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 45, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 16999 times:

YES been doing plane spotting for 50 years.The gentleman in the story is a friend of mine and we are involved in the new viewing area development .Love the hobby.

User currently offlinesoyuz From Australia, joined Sep 2010, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 46, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 16853 times:

I was at the current BNE spotting area to watch the first A380's visit back in 05. Couldn't believe how quiet she was when she took off. FINALLY we get a regular whalejet 

On a separate note, can someone shed some light onto why EY continue to route into BNE via SIN? Is it because they don't have enough long haulers to fly direct from AUH? With QF and EK dailies between SIN and BNE and SQ's thrice daily service, I can't imagine EY would be profiting much from BNE-SIN traffic....


User currently offlineDeltaB717 From Australia, joined Jun 2012, 559 posts, RR: 1
Reply 47, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 16510 times:
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Quoting TN486 (Reply 37):
Brainsnap, post was a reference to a 717, which had nothing to do with the post referring to XFH

When was there a 717 in MEL?


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5906 posts, RR: 5
Reply 48, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 16483 times:

Quoting DeltaB717 (Reply 47):

Impulse (inc QantasLink ops) and Jetstar



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User currently offlineDeltaB717 From Australia, joined Jun 2012, 559 posts, RR: 1
Reply 49, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 16448 times:
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Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 48):
Impulse (inc QantasLink ops) and Jetstar

I thought TN486 meant just recently, sorry.


User currently offlineQFVHOQA From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 16464 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 42):
This is great news, and it will be interesting to see what she looks like. I think that it's great that QF are continuing this tradition. Wunala was obviously repainted last year, and Yananyi is starting to look decidedly faded so I'm expecting her to be repainted shortly. I was [sadly] expecting that to be the end of this theme, so it's good to hear that it will continue.

I too am glad that QF have chosen to do this. It would be nice to have a larger plane painted, like an A333 that flies to Asia, as Aboriginal art is probably more exciting to non-Australians (being that they see it less often than us). It would certainly be noticed amongst the sea of white planes at HKG/SIN.

Quoting soyuz (Reply 46):
On a separate note, can someone shed some light onto why EY continue to route into BNE via SIN? Is it because they don't have enough long haulers to fly direct from AUH? With QF and EK dailies between SIN and BNE and SQ's thrice daily service, I can't imagine EY would be profiting much from BNE-SIN traffic....

Out of all the carriers on BNE-SIN, EY probably needs the extra traffic the most. Considering VA ditched their plans for AUH-BNE direct the market must not be large. EY may find that separate AUH-BNE & AUH-SIN flights will not attract enough pax. However combined they can fill a plane with a better load. EK doesn't need Asian stops on their BNE/SYD/MEL flights, but the extra pax they carry are a bonus.


User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 697 posts, RR: 2
Reply 51, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 16216 times:

Emirates A380 A6-EEK is about to push back in Dubai, operating the first scheduled EK A380 service to Brisbane

User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4987 posts, RR: 4
Reply 52, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 16114 times:

Quoting QF175 (Reply 51):

Emirates A380 A6-EEK is about to push back in Dubai, operating the first scheduled EK A380 service to Brisbane

Exciting times for BNE an airport which made the wise decision to build one of Australia's 1st A380 capable gates.

How's PER feeling considering the next EK A380 service was destined for PER but was rerouted to BNE  

EK8413



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User currently offlinezkokq From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 479 posts, RR: 0
Reply 53, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 15966 times:

I cant wait to shoot this in the morning. I will be airside for the morning and will have lots of photos via my facebook page as the morning goes on.

User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5906 posts, RR: 5
Reply 54, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 15933 times:

Quoting zkokq (Reply 53):
I cant wait to shoot this in the morning

Haha I was wondering it you were going to be out at 6:05! Can't wait to see the pictures 



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User currently offlinezkokq From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 479 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 15886 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 54):

Wouldnt miss it for the world   I hope the storm clears over night!


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5906 posts, RR: 5
Reply 56, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 15874 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 52):
Exciting times for BNE an airport which made the wise decision to build one of Australia's 1st A380 capable gates

Absolutely, for once in this country somebody had the foresight to build infrastructure for the future, and I'm really glad that it has paid off for them  



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User currently offlineqf2220 From Australia, joined Aug 2013, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 57, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 15693 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 56):
Absolutely, for once in this country somebody had the foresight to build infrastructure for the future, and I'm really glad that it has paid off for them

Off topic, but looking back through time, unfortunately I think we have had too much infrastrucure in certain areas in the past (eg the NSW regional and rural rail network) which didnt pay off economically/financially. These instances have been identified and analysed in detail, which has meant that we have become infrastructure averse due to being burnt with previous experience. Projects such as second Sydney airports and additional runways have had a much harder time getting off the ground as they have to really prove themselves financially (and because a state/federal govt wont blindly back infrastructure investment anymore). From all accounts however, there have been clear missess (like WA airport), I dont dispute that.


User currently offlineFlyingsottsman From Australia, joined Oct 2010, 559 posts, RR: 0
Reply 58, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 15661 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 39):
Qantas has bumped up capacity on PER-MEL route by positioning a B744 & operating additional A330 / B763 East-West services.

I was woundering if QF were going to use 744s on the PER-MEL for the grand Final. Since VA is the offical carrier of the AFL they should paint an aircraft in the winning teams colours. Had Freo won I reacon a 738 would have looked good in purple and white (even thow I support Carlton) but each year paint a plane in the winning teams colours.


User currently offlineben175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 709 posts, RR: 0
Reply 59, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 15562 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 52):
How's PER feeling considering the next EK A380 service was destined for PER but was rerouted to BNE  

Don't worry, we'll get ours eventually once the airport gets its sh*t together!!! It is a bit of a shame BNE beat us though.

Oh well, we got QR first.  


User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 60, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 15353 times:

Yes it was a big exciting event here this am with over 300-400 spotters at the Loop Rd and plenty of media coverage both on radio and TV .I have taken plenty of pics myself .

Cheers.


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5906 posts, RR: 5
Reply 61, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 15344 times:

Quoting ben175 (Reply 59):
Oh well, we got QR first

You can keep them  

If anything, I'm more bitter and twisted that you got a third daily EK flight before we did!!!

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 60):
300-400 spotters at the Loop Rd

Goodness! That's a phenomenal turnout.



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User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1579 posts, RR: 0
Reply 62, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 15305 times:

Can anyone shed any light on why there is a CZ A330 over at the old international terminal in BNE? Is this a normal occurrence or did it go tech yesterday? There is no Wednesday CZ Flight.

User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 63, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 15238 times:

Went tech i believe !

User currently offlinezkokq From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 479 posts, RR: 0
Reply 64, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 15179 times:

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 62):

Bent engine fan blades. Hit a bird en route yesterday. Pulled parts of the bird out of the core over night. Smelt like KFC on board I am told.

Some airside photos from this morning, from myself of Brisbane's first A380 service
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...99993054064&type=1&theater

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...99993054064&type=1&theater


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4987 posts, RR: 4
Reply 65, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 14819 times:

Quoting zkokq (Reply 64):

Love the photos zkokq. I'm blown away by the turn out of spectators.

Next, the rumoured SQ A380 service.

EK8413



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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5906 posts, RR: 5
Reply 66, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 14834 times:

Presuming that nothing changes in the interim (which it could well do, but I personally hope it doesn't as I have sunk $$$s into this!) the retirement of the QF 734 fleet looks set for February 15. From what I can gather there will be two aircraft sticking around until the bitter end, and they will fly the following patterns on that day:

CBR-SYD QF872 07:30-08:25
SYD-ADL QF751 12:30-14:05
ADL-MEL QF690 15:30-17:20

ADL-MEL QF678 09:40-11:30
MEL-ADL QF685 13:55-14:45
ADL-MEL QF692 16:50-18:40

I will be on 872, 751, 692. Hopefully it will be a fun day of flying, albeit one tinged with sadness  



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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3010 posts, RR: 0
Reply 67, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 14774 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 65):
Next, the rumoured SQ A380 service.

I think you may be waiting a while for that one.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 65):
Love the photos zkokq. I'm blown away by the turn out of spectators.

Certainly was a good turn out.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4987 posts, RR: 4
Reply 68, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 14751 times:

Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 67):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 65):
Next, the rumoured SQ A380 service.

I think you may be waiting a while for that one.

Don't worry I won't, I'll be waiting for SYD 3rd SQ A380 though 

EK8413



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4987 posts, RR: 4
Reply 69, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 14750 times:

Another test flight  http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7353/10032048674_860bff4cc4_h.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jetstar...0032048674/sizes/h/in/photostream/

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7324/10032170143_6c67ce7348_h.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jetstar...0032170143/sizes/h/in/photostream/

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7425/10032170303_3e3a9f316b_h.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jetstar...0032170303/sizes/h/in/photostream/

EK8413



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User currently offlineQFVHOQA From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 70, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 14667 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 68):
Quoting IndianicWorld (Reply 67):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 65):
Next, the rumoured SQ A380 service.

I think you may be waiting a while for that one.

Don't worry I won't, I'll be waiting for SYD 3rd SQ A380 though

EK8413

Any speculation on the next A380 service to Australia? I hear EY is planning to send theirs to SYD/MEL next year. Maybe EK will get its wish with an A380 gate at PER first?

Quoting EK413 (Reply 69):

Interesting to see the silver paint is still blotchy. I wonder if this will be an issue for all of JQ's 787s. It's not a good look on a brand new plane.


User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 935 posts, RR: 2
Reply 71, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 14572 times:

Quoting zkokq (Reply 64):
Some airside photos from this morning, from myself of Brisbane's first A380 service

Congrats to BNE. Its a great thrill to experience first landing and takeoff, and well done with the photos, thank you for sharing.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 69):
Another test flight

Great photos mate, looking forward to its arrival in MEL, thanks once again.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 66):
Presuming that nothing changes in the interim (which it could well do, but I personally hope it doesn't as I have sunk $$$s into this!) the retirement of the QF 734 fleet looks set for February 15. From what I can gather there will be two aircraft sticking around until the bitter end, and they will fly the following patterns on that day

I encourage your enthusiasm in this project, I was going to do the same thing, however my volunteering duties will most likely have me in WA that week. Lets hope you have more luck than an ex TAA employee had with flying the "last" revenue service of a TN727. I suspect you will as QF have heaps more metal than TN ever did.



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4987 posts, RR: 4
Reply 72, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 14570 times:

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 70):
Any speculation on the next A380 service to Australia? I hear EY is planning to send theirs to SYD/MEL next year. Maybe EK will get its wish with an A380 gate at PER first?

Quoting EK413 (Reply 69):

Interesting to see the silver paint is still blotchy. I wonder if this will be an issue for all of JQ's 787s. It's not a good look on a brand new plane.
PER is the next destination to receive an EK A380 service (if PER get their act together!), mind you the aircraft which operated today's inaugural DXB-BNE-AKL service was originally destined for PER.

The next scheduled A380 service will be EY MEL/SYD from 2014  

Etihad Airways is expanding its ambitions for Australia with confirmation of Airbus A380 flights to Sydney and Melbourne in late 2014, the start of direct flights from Perth and scheduling additional flights Melbourne and Brisbane to its Abu Dhabi hub.

http://www.ausbt.com.au/etihad-to-fl...s-a380-to-sydney-melbourne-in-2014

EK8413

[Edited 2013-10-02 04:55:38]


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User currently offlineVA82 From Australia, joined Sep 2013, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 73, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 14440 times:

Hi I'm fairly new here   and I was just looking at the BITRE stats for Scoot, the load (for June) on SIN-OOL is 73%, OOL-SIN is 85%, SIN-SYD is 62% and SYD-SIN is 82% (which is funny because when I flew them in Feb the flight to SIN seemed empty and the one back to OOL was packed). They are currently doing 5 weekly flights, but are doing 6 during Dec and half of Jan (not updated on the schedule) by adding a second flight Thursday's at 01:00 the existing flight is at 22:25, so it's essentially a Wednesday flight. So it would appear that the Gold Coast flights seem to being doing okay, despite the presumably horrible yields... I paid $350 OOL-SIN-OOL in Feb and $500 OOL-SIN,BKK-SIN-OOL in Dec. I'm almost disappointed that the OOL service is performing better than SYD. Because I assume that they will keep the 777-200 on OOL for the extra seats rather than sending the smaller 787-8's (late next year) and I'd quite like to hop on at 787 to SIN. What do you guys think about them sending the 787-8 to OOL? Also anyone at OOL got any idea regarding Scoots on time performance there?

[Edited 2013-10-02 06:08:18]

User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4987 posts, RR: 4
Reply 74, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 14396 times:

Quoting VA82 (Reply 73):

Firstly, welcome to A.net and enjoy the journey  

Based on the official announcement Scoot will acquire 20 x B787's which will be used to replacethe existing B777 fleet.

Singapore – Scoot, the long-haul low-cost subsidiary of Singapore Airlines, has agreed to acquire twenty Boeing 787 aircraft for delivery commencing in 2014.

The twenty fuel-efficient aircraft will be used to replace Scoot’s Boeing 777-200 fleet and facilitate the airline’s ongoing expansion.

http://www.flyscoot.com/index.php/en...oot-to-acquire-20-boeing-787s.html

EK8413



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User currently offlineben175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 709 posts, RR: 0
Reply 75, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14353 times:

I posted this last night but thread was deleted because I forgot to link the source:

TT is commencing 6 x weekly flights between PER and SYD from December.

Source


User currently offlinejupiter2 From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 909 posts, RR: 1
Reply 76, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 14319 times:

The next 380 service into Australia should be CZ into SYD from the end of October. Around the same time JL go to the 787 and JQ should have theirs lobbing into SYD as well.

User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 3082 posts, RR: 1
Reply 77, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 14331 times:

Quoting ben175 (Reply 75):

I posted this last night but thread was deleted because I forgot to link the source:

TT is commencing 6 x weekly flights between PER and SYD from December.

I'd been expecting this announcement. Ground crew in PER for TT recently expanded their services, which suggested that they would add a flight to a non-hub destination (not MEL).

In other news, the new A380 aerobridge at PER has seen significant work the last couple days. Must be PER management feeling jealous seeing the A380 land at BNE.

-CXfirst



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4987 posts, RR: 4
Reply 78, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 14251 times:

Quoting jupiter2 (Reply 76):

The next 380 service into Australia should be CZ into SYD from the end of October. Around the same time JL go to the 787 and JQ should have theirs lobbing into SYD as well.

I totally forgot CZ was commencing A380 services to SYD shortly! Tell you what SYD is going to struggle with 5 x A380 bays.

EK8413



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User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 79, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 14253 times:

I have also noticed in the QF scheds that a new BNE-PER-BNE 763 service will operate 4 times a week from 27oct till Xmas week.QF 573 and QF 572 are the flight numbers.

User currently offlinezkokq From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 479 posts, RR: 0
Reply 80, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 14185 times:

A photo of the CZ A330 at YBBN that had the bent fan blades from the bird stike
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fb...99993054064&type=1&theater


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6451 posts, RR: 38
Reply 81, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 14190 times:

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 70):
Interesting to see the silver paint is still blotchy.

It aint called a LCC for nothing  



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User currently offlineQFVHOQA From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 82, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 13949 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 78):
I totally forgot CZ was commencing A380 services to SYD shortly! Tell you what SYD is going to struggle with 5 x A380 bays.

EK8413

I also forgot about CZ's plans. According to flighmapper.net the flight reverts to A333 from the end of March 2014.


User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3135 posts, RR: 20
Reply 83, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 13853 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 69):
Another test flight
http://kpae.blogspot.com.au/search?u...ated-max=2013-09-30T18:23:00-07:00 is showing the 2nd JQ 788 coming out of the paint shop and onto the flightline.

On another note QF have released their monthly pax numbers;

http://centreforaviation.com/files/analysis/131474/Aug2013.pdf

What I find really interesting is the continuing decline in Qantas Domestic mainline pax numbers which is counter balanced by the increase in JQ domestic numbers. The numbers highlight why QF is replacing some 767 capacity with 738's rather than with A332's.

It's also interesting that, year on year, QF International pax are up 6% while yields have declined. QF blames this on competitor growth but when you look at the constant sales going on on qantas.com I think there are other reasons behind this. It looks like QF started off with too much capacity on its intra-Asian flying and has backfilled it with reduced ticket prices in order to gain traction in the market. It's not really consistent with the supposed EK Alliance benefits which were supposed to result in larger number of QF passengers. So it'll be interesting to see what happens at the half year after Christmas when QF is, for them, ramping up International capacity.


User currently offlineeaglefarm4 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 84, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 13782 times:

IT was a tale of two airlines in August, as Qantas domestic passenger numbers fell 3.5 per cent, against a 6.5 per cent rise at Virgin Australia. - See more at:

ww.theaustralian.com.au/business/aviation/qantas-domestic-passengers-down-35pc-in-august-virgins-up-65pc/story-e6frg95x-1226731540922


User currently offlineAeroplaneFreak From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 542 posts, RR: 0
Reply 85, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 13769 times:
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Any word on when JQ will begin 787 domestic flights?

User currently offlinetullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 86, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 13751 times:

Disappointing numbers from QF. I think it may be a while before I start getting a dividend again. I guess the growth in JQ is a positive given it has lower costs so a greater portion of the revenue growth will drop through to the profit line.

VA's numbers were very good. I am unintentional shareholder in it so maybe I'll get a dividend from them one day though I think I'll get a share buyback offer first as I suspect the 3 anchor airline shareholders would prefer to take it private. Its listing doesn't really serve any purpose any longer.



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User currently offlineAeroplaneFreak From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 542 posts, RR: 0
Reply 87, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 13711 times:
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Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 66):
Presuming that nothing changes in the interim (which it could well do, but I personally hope it doesn't as I have sunk $$$s into this!) the retirement of the QF 734 fleet looks set for February 15. From what I can gather there will be two aircraft sticking around until the bitter end, and they will fly the following patterns on that day:

CBR-SYD QF872 07:30-08:25
SYD-ADL QF751 12:30-14:05
ADL-MEL QF690 15:30-17:20

ADL-MEL QF678 09:40-11:30
MEL-ADL QF685 13:55-14:45
ADL-MEL QF692 16:50-18:40

I will be on 872, 751, 692. Hopefully it will be a fun day of flying, albeit one tinged with sadness

Just booked a ticket for QF692, hopefully no changes. The end of era.


User currently offlinevhebb From Australia, joined Apr 2011, 200 posts, RR: 0
Reply 88, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 13688 times:

I always take articles about monthly pax numbers with a grain of salt...

I think the VA figure includes the newly acquired Skywest?

Does the QF figure include QLink?

QF international capacity is slowly beginning to fill up, isn't it funny how people complained that QF didn't add any international capacity for years, now people say they have added too much?


User currently offlineAyostoLeon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 89, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 13616 times:

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 77):

In a previous announcement PER CEO Brad Geatches had said that the A380-gate construction would be complete by November but would not be made available until the completion of a new/extended/refurbished (not sure which) Emirates Lounge. At the time it was suggested that this would be around March/April 2014. Any news on progress there?


User currently offlineben175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 709 posts, RR: 0
Reply 90, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 13479 times:

Quoting AyostoLeon (Reply 89):
In a previous announcement PER CEO Brad Geatches had said that the A380-gate construction would be complete by November but would not be made available until the completion of a new/extended/refurbished (not sure which) Emirates Lounge. At the time it was suggested that this would be around March/April 2014. Any news on progress there?

I booked EK to JFK about a year ago when the gate was meant to be finished in July at the latest, knowing that I would be on an A380 from PER to the USA (assuming EK 421/420 is upgraded, which it will be)

Now I'm stuck in row 7 on a 77W (the only row with no window) and there's no other window seats available!


User currently offlineQF175 From Portugal, joined Mar 2007, 697 posts, RR: 2
Reply 91, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 13285 times:

Check out this video of Emirates A380 A6-EEK departing Dubai, arriving/departing Brisbane and then arriving Auckland. There's some spectacular footage, with one of the highlights being the three A380s lined-up side-by-side in Auckland.

Brisbanetimes


User currently offlinezkokq From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 479 posts, RR: 0
Reply 92, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 13212 times:

Quoting QF175 (Reply 91):

Haha wow! You can see me on the side of the runway on arrival and departure. We wondered what would become of the gopro cameras around the cockpit we saw


User currently offlineben175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 709 posts, RR: 0
Reply 93, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 13072 times:

Quoting QF175 (Reply 91):
Check out this video of Emirates A380 A6-EEK departing Dubai, arriving/departing Brisbane and then arriving Auckland. There's some spectacular footage, with one of the highlights being the three A380s lined-up side-by-side in Auckland.

Brisbanetimes

The shot at AKL with the 3 A380's is absolutely incredible! You would think you're in Dubai looking at that, not on the other side of the world in New Zealand! Does EK actually make a decent profit flying 3 A380's across the pond every day?


User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3135 posts, RR: 20
Reply 94, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12950 times:

Quoting eaglefarm4 (Reply 84):
IT was a tale of two airlines in August, as Qantas domestic passenger numbers fell 3.5 per cent, against a 6.5 per cent rise at Virgin Australia. - See more at:

The VA numbers include Skywest so we're not comparing apples with apples.

Quoting vhebb (Reply 88):
Does the QF figure include QLink?

No. The 3.5% drop was purely domestic mainline. Qantaslink total pax were unchanged. (0% growth)

Quoting vhebb (Reply 88):
QF international capacity is slowly beginning to fill up, isn't it funny how people complained that QF didn't add any international capacity for years, now people say they have added too much?

It'll also be interesting to see how the new peak season capacity fares as well. The 7th weekly BNE-LAX should do well as should the 2 weekly A332 services on PER-AKL and the 4th weekly SYD-SCL. So it'll be interesting to see if QF can make this capacity profitable and permanent over the next 12 months.


User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3135 posts, RR: 20
Reply 95, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12921 times:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-0...elaide-schedule/4996392?section=sa

Jetstar is adding 3 weekly ADL-DPS services from mid December.

This fulfills another prediction of mine about Adelaide services.   With ADL-AKL and ADL-DPS added, the only thing missing is 3K on ADL-SIN. That's my next prediction.

Good news for Adelaide though!


User currently offlineQFVHOQA From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 96, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 12899 times:

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 94):
It'll also be interesting to see how the new peak season capacity fares as well. The 7th weekly BNE-LAX should do well as should the 2 weekly A332 services on PER-AKL and the 4th weekly SYD-SCL. So it'll be interesting to see if QF can make this capacity profitable and permanent over the next 12 months.

I agree that these 3 routes should do well, as should the increase to daily for BNE-HKG, given CX doesn't have as much capacity as to SYD/MEL.

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 95):
This fulfills another prediction of mine about Adelaide services. With ADL-AKL and ADL-DPS added, the only thing missing is 3K on ADL-SIN. That's my next prediction.

I too wouldn't be surprised to see ADL-SIN, though whether it will be 3K or JQ I'm not sure. PER-SIN is all 3K, however DRW-SIN is all JQ ops.


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5906 posts, RR: 5
Reply 97, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 12852 times:

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 96):
as should the increase to daily for BNE-HKG, given CX doesn't have as much capacity as to SYD/MEL

From what I can gather from this atrociously written article, CX is moving the daily BNE-HKG flight to operate daylight southbound and overnight northbound. They will also offer 4 weekly flights which are daylight northbound via CNS (I think it will be HKG-CNS-BNE-CNS-HKG as opposed to the triangle). The upshot of this is that there will be much less overlap between QF and CX, which should be good for both carriers. Also, moving the non-stops to the overnight northbound flights should help QF pick up more BA/AY feed which they currently compete for against CX.



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User currently offlineQFVHOQA From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 98, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 12783 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 97):
From what I can gather from this atrociously written article

Are you referring to the AusBT article? It's certainly a difficult read!

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 97):
Also, moving the non-stops to the overnight northbound flights should help QF pick up more BA/AY feed which they currently compete for against CX.

From what I gather, CX156 BNE-HKG non-stop is already an overnight flight, with the CX146 daytime flight stopping at CNS 4x weekly. So the only change is that CX146 will have a tag CNS-BNE rather than operate as a triangular HKG-BNE-CNS-HKG. A quick check shows that BA & AY already offer codeshares on QF at a lower fare to CX codeshares from BNE. AY even had flights via SYD on BA metal to SIN with a lower fare than via HKG on CX.


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5906 posts, RR: 5
Reply 99, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 12747 times:

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 98):

Yes that's the article, I intended to link it.

Re BA/AY, I think it depends on the date/availability as I have seen both be cheaper at times



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User currently offlineAyostoLeon From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 100, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 12775 times:

The West Australian is reporting the launch of a new service to PER.

Beginning in February next year, Etihad will be operating an A330 with 262 seats daily.

It is stated to arrive at PER 13:40 and depart at 15:50. This will bring extra opportunities to VA in selling seats to Europe


http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-...other-big-airline-heads-for-perth/


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5906 posts, RR: 5
Reply 101, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 12757 times:

http://www.ausbt.com.au/cathay-pacif...-from-adelaide-cairns-to-hong-kong

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 98):
CX156 BNE-HKG non-stop is already an overnight flight

That's correct, but the flight currently only operates 4x weekly

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 98):
So the only change is that CX146 will have a tag CNS-BNE rather than operate as a triangular HKG-BNE-CNS-HKG

At the moment CX146 is the "daily" flight, operating non-stop three times weekly and via CNS four times weekly in each direction.

If the information contained in that article is accurate, then CX156 (with a new flight number) will operate daily and CX146 will operate 4x weekly via CNS.

In a sense I think think that this is a good move as it allows greater certainty as you know that the evening flight will be non-stop every day.



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User currently offlinecsturdiv From Australia, joined Aug 2005, 1504 posts, RR: 3
Reply 102, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 12831 times:

Quoting AeroplaneFreak (Reply 85):
Any word on when JQ will begin 787 domestic flights?

I would love it if they started some flights before November 2. I am in Sydney until November 2. And I wouldn't mind if they would use it for my HBA-SYD flight at the end of October.  



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User currently offlineQFVHOQA From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 103, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 12695 times:

Quoting AyostoLeon (Reply 100):
The West Australian is reporting the launch of a new service to PER.

Beginning in February next year, Etihad will be operating an A330 with 262 seats daily.

It is stated to arrive at PER 13:40 and depart at 15:50. This will bring extra opportunities to VA in selling seats to Europe

PER certainly is getting busy with Gulf carriers. I wonder who will be the first to cave in and reduce service to PER? Possibly TG's BKK service could go and be replaced with a daily (up from 3x weekly A330) 738 to HKT? Or MH drops back to daily from 10x weekly?

Quoting csturdiv (Reply 102):
I would love it if they started some flights before November 2. I am in Sydney until November 2. And I wouldn't mind if they would use it for my HBA-SYD flight at the end of October.

AusBT is reposrting that JQ's first 787 is due in MEL next week. Jetstar's first Boeing 787 Dreamliner touches down next Wednesday
Domestic ops should begin shortly I would think.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25563 posts, RR: 86
Reply 104, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 12662 times:
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For the record, Air New Zealand has been given approval by the Treasurer (and the FIRB) to lift its stake in Virgin Australia by another 3%, taking it to 25.9%:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11134697

"Air NZ lifting stake in Virgin Australia

Air New Zealand has announced it will be increasing its shareholding in Virgin Australia by 3 per cent.

The airline announced today that it had been granted approval from the Australian Treasurer to increase its shareholding to 25.9 per cent.'


I believe (?) it can apply to lift its holding by 3% every six months. I wonder if it will take any more?

mariner



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User currently offlinegemuser From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 5762 posts, RR: 6
Reply 105, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 12676 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 104):
I believe (?) it can apply to lift its holding by 3% every six months. I wonder if it will take any more?

Correct. It's 3% per six months, WITHOUT triggering the normal take over provisions that kick in at 20% ownership and which require an offer to all shareholders. I do not know if there is a limit to the total percentage that can be acquired under the 3%"creep rule".

Gemuser



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User currently offlinecsturdiv From Australia, joined Aug 2005, 1504 posts, RR: 3
Reply 106, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 12592 times:

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 103):
AusBT is reposrting that JQ's first 787 is due in MEL next week. Jetstar's first Boeing 787 Dreamliner touches down next Wednesday
Domestic ops should begin shortly I would think.

Looks like I will miss the JQ 787 then, I am heading back to the US on Nov 2 and the article stated it would start domestic routes in November and I will not be around for any of those flights. Looks like I can now hope for a JQ A320 with sharklets on my HBA-SYD flight.....which is probably not going to happen.



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User currently offlineben175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 709 posts, RR: 0
Reply 107, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 12377 times:

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 103):
PER certainly is getting busy with Gulf carriers. I wonder who will be the first to cave in and reduce service to PER? Possibly TG's BKK service could go and be replaced with a daily (up from 3x weekly A330) 738 to HKT? Or MH drops back to daily from 10x weekly?

We're also seeing surges in international traffic each month, so the supply isn't overriding the demand by too much. Plus, travel to Asia itself is booming, which is why Scoot and Tigerair Mandala are joining the game shortly too.

TG and MH are well established in Perth, so if anything, EY will be the one to cave.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4987 posts, RR: 4
Reply 108, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 12372 times:

Jetstar’s first Boeing 787 Dreamliner touches down in Australia 9th of October.

To welcome the new aircraft, JQ will operate tour flights / open day tours in Melbourne Sunday 13 October, Sydney Airport on Saturday 19 October, Gold Coast Airport on Sunday 20 October and Cairns Airport on Saturday 26 October.

EK8413



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User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 3010 posts, RR: 0
Reply 109, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 12221 times:

Quoting ben175 (Reply 107):
We're also seeing surges in international traffic each month, so the supply isn't overriding the demand by too much. Plus, travel to Asia itself is booming, which is why Scoot and Tigerair Mandala are joining the game shortly too.

TG and MH are well established in Perth, so if anything, EY will be the one to cave.

Demand may be holding up, although nearly all Australian International airports appear to have been reporting stronger figures lately.

The more interesting stat would be yields. The cooling WA market may have some decent growth life left in it yet, but adding more and more capacity has to hurt at some stage.

With the VA JV, EY are at least in a good position to offer connections and to boost demand via the partnership. I agree though that at some stage some consolidation is bound to happen, especially if the heat really continues to fall out of the mining industry.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4987 posts, RR: 4
Reply 110, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 12063 times:

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 83):

2 for the price of 1 VH-VKA & VH-VKB  http://i41.tinypic.com/r0xnb7.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvo...079336063/in/photostream/lightbox/

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User currently offlinejetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 111, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11813 times:

AN airliner carrying 218 passengers was forced to make an emergency diversion to Cairns after suffering an engine failure mid-flight early yesterday.The China Airlines Airbus A330 was travelling from Sydney to Taipei when the incident occurred.
Australian Transport Safety Bureau spokesman Daniel O'Malley said the aircraft's left or "number one" engine shut down 1700km north-east of Darwin.

Mr O'Malley said the A330 was "well outside" Australian airspace when the shutdown happened, meaning that ATSB would be providing assistance to Taiwanese authorities in the investigation. Cairns Airport spokeswoman Helen Laird said alternative travel arrangements were made for passengers.Ms Laird said fire crews were on standby as the aircraft touched down in Cairns about 4.15am.

No injuries or aircraft damage were reported.All twin-engined commercial airliners are capable of flying safely on one engine, should the other fail.A China Airlines spokeswoman did not respond to questions by deadline.

http://www.cairns.com.au/article/2013/10/05/248803_local-news.html



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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3335 posts, RR: 20
Reply 112, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 11776 times:

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 95):
This fulfills another prediction of mine about Adelaide services. With ADL-AKL and ADL-DPS added, the only thing missing is 3K on ADL-SIN. That's my next prediction.

i doubt that 3K with an A320 can make SIN/ADL.

as far as i know 330 ops are all JQ out of SIN.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4987 posts, RR: 4
Reply 113, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 11728 times:

With EK commencing their 3rd A380 AKL service via BNE thought I'll share this snap shot from EK Facebook page  http://i39.tinypic.com/otkkfa.jpg
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...033&type=1&relevant_count=1&ref=nf

EK8413



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User currently offlineben175 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 709 posts, RR: 0
Reply 114, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 11468 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 112):
as far as i know 330 ops are all JQ out of SIN.

Incorrect, 3K operate 12 x weekly flights SIN-PER with a 320, and I believe JQ/3K operate to DRW.


User currently offlineTN486 From Australia, joined Jul 2008, 935 posts, RR: 2
Reply 115, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 11337 times:

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 103):
AusBT is reposrting that JQ's first 787 is due in MEL next week. Jetstar's first Boeing 787 Dreamliner touches down next Wednesday

And where am I next Wed?? Certainly not in MEL. "Not happy JAN"!!



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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3335 posts, RR: 20
Reply 116, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 10936 times:

Quoting ben175 (Reply 114):
Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 112):
as far as i know 330 ops are all JQ out of SIN.

Incorrect, 3K operate 12 x weekly flights SIN-PER with a 320, and I believe JQ/3K operate to DRW.

perhaps read what i wrote:

A330 ops are JQ out of SIN. not 320s.


User currently offlinefiscal From Australia, joined Oct 2009, 334 posts, RR: 0
Reply 117, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 10772 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 116):
A330 ops are JQ out of SIN. not 320s.

Can you explain that comment a little more?

If you are referring only to JQ, yes they do offer an a330 service ex SIN to the Australian mainland, as well as an a320 service. Which one would best suit ADL I am not sure.

3K would only be able to offer an a320 at this stage.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4987 posts, RR: 4
Reply 118, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 10790 times:

Don't quote me as I might be mistaken 3K A330 services ex-SIN haven't performed very well & that's why VH-EBS was returned to mainline.

EK8413



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User currently offlineQFVHOQA From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 119, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 10692 times:

Quoting fiscal (Reply 117):
Can you explain that comment a little more?

I believe 6thfreedom is referring to the fact that if an A330 is flying in Jetstar colours it is operated by JQ not by 3K (or GK). So SIN-AKL/KIX/PEK/MEL are all operated as JQ flights. I heard that 3K wasn't doing well with widebody ops so they were returned to JQ but I can be sure if that was true or not.

Current A320s likely don't have range for ADL-SIN, so if the route were to start it would need an A330. In my opinion that would be too large a plane for the market.


User currently offlineTK773ER From Australia, joined Jun 2010, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 120, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 10672 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 108):

JQ will operate tour flights / open day tours in Melbourne Sunday 13 October,

Thanks for the info do you or anyone here know times or location for the open day and tours ?

cheers...


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 25563 posts, RR: 86
Reply 121, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 10574 times:
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Quoting fiscal (Reply 117):
If you are referring only to JQ, yes they do offer an a330 service ex SIN to the Australian mainland, as well as an a320 service. Which one would best suit ADL I am not sure.

I would be surprised - as in fall over in shock - if the A320 has the legs for SIN-ADL.

mariner



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User currently offlinefiscal From Australia, joined Oct 2009, 334 posts, RR: 0
Reply 122, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 10570 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 121):
I would be surprised - as in fall over in shock - if the A320 has the legs for SIN-ADL.

I keep forgetting that ADL is not just the other side of Kalgoorlie.  


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4987 posts, RR: 4
Reply 123, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 10392 times:

Quoting TK773ER (Reply 120):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 108):

JQ will operate tour flights / open day tours in Melbourne Sunday 13 October,

Thanks for the info do you or anyone here know times or location for the open day and tours ?

I'm afraid those tours aren't open to the public, it's employees family or friends.

EK8413

[Edited 2013-10-05 21:54:38]


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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4987 posts, RR: 4
Reply 124, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 10248 times:

Would appear an additional A380 bay is being fitted at Concourse B of T1 with Gate 8 out of service this past week & if this is correct will increase total number of A380 bays at SYD to 6.

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User currently offlineDJMEL From Australia, joined Oct 2008, 141 posts, RR: 0
Reply 125, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9907 times:

Interesting too see 3 EK A380's at AKL!!!

Also interesting too note that there are only 2 A380 gates, are AKL planning to extend concourse to cater for 3rd one??

Cheers DJMEL


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4987 posts, RR: 4
Reply 126, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 9854 times:

Quoting DJMEL (Reply 125):

Interesting too see 3 EK A380's at AKL!!!

Also interesting too note that there are only 2 A380 gates, are AKL planning to extend concourse to cater for 3rd one??

Cheers DJMEL

According to the below the upgrades have been completed.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...ckland-Airport
A380 triple for Auckland Airport

Auckland Airport has become the first airport outside of Emirates' home hub in Dubai to have three scheduled A380s on the ground at once.

It happened yesterday afternoon with the inaugural triple daily A380 flight from Brisbane and Dubai.

"This is a wonderful achievement for Auckland Airport and a significant day for New Zealand travel, trade and tourism,"Auckland Airport chief executive Adrian Littlewood said.

The airport spent $3.5 million upgrading infrastructure and making sure it had enough dual boarding gates to simultaneously process a third A380 aircraft, he said.

Another article mentioned further expansion of the terminal was put on hold.

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User currently offlinecarryon From Australia, joined Aug 2012, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 127, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks ago) and read 9853 times:

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 103):
AusBT is reporting that JQ's first 787 is due in MEL next week.

Yup, only three days to go! JQ7878 arrives 13:05 on Wednesday. Domestic ops will begin in November after CASA certification and crew familiarisation flights, with the aircraft to be deployed internationally from late-November or beginning of December: http://bit.ly/1geQfpP


User currently offlineQFVHOQA From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 128, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9577 times:

Alan Joyce has reportedly spoken with media in Seattle about the Qantas Group's potential use of the 787s they have on order.

The Sydney Morning Herald claims that Joyce won't make a decision on the 789s for QF until FY16. Qantas delays Dreamliner decision

AusBT, in a better written article than the recent one regarding CX's changes, quotes Joyce “The target that we have is that for FY15 we believe Qantas International should get to break-even, and once that target has been achieved we will make that decision, but we won’t be needing to make a decision until 2016.” Qantas sets its sights on Boeing 787-9 Dreamliner

So I doubt any 789s will be in QF hands until after 2016, as the purchase rights are for "...up to 50 more 787s become available starting mid-2017 through to mid-2026.". Interestingly JQ will now be sticking with the 788, rather than adopting 789s and handing over the 788 to QF. Joyve also mentions that the new A330 J seat will also appear on QF 789s, as will W seats and the new Y seat as per the A330. It is unclear if he also means that W will end up on A330s. And QF will not be using 787s on domestic routes until the need for an A330 replacement arises in approx 10 years time.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4987 posts, RR: 4
Reply 129, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 9472 times:

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 128):

Interesting article as I wasn't aware JQ was taking on 15 x B787's 

So, mainline won't see any new frames until at the earliest 2017 based on QF International performance. I'm curious why not firm the orders now therefore QF can retire older or sell aircraft whilst they are worth something? Haven't they learned anything from SQ?

EK8413

[Edited 2013-10-06 18:53:27]


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User currently offlineQFVHOQA From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 130, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9433 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 129):
So, mainline won't see any new frames until at the earliest 2017 based on QF International performance. I'm curious why not firm the orders now therefore QF can retire older or sell aircraft aircraft whilst they are worth something? Haven't they learned anything from SQ?

If QF firms the order now, the purchase rights seems to allow for delivery only in 2017 - so QF would be committing cash before they need to. Given that QF can't sell too many aircraft without replacements, it would tie up cash on an order that won't be flying for another ~4 years. My understanding of the 789 order cancellation then replaced with purchase rights, is that the final price upon delivery remains the same, with less financial commitment from QF.

I doubt an ex-QF frame would fetch the same price that an ex-SQ frame would. SQ sell theirs at a relatively young age, and QF's 744s are long in the tooth.

Something I wonder about is if QF International returns to break-even sooner than FY16 (say for example FY14), will QF place their 789 order sooner?


User currently offlinetullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1625 posts, RR: 0
Reply 131, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9426 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 129):
I'm curious why not firm the orders now therefore QF can retire older or sell aircraft aircraft whilst they are worth something

I think QF know that any 744s that become available from 2017 are unlikely to find a buyer.

If Int'l do take the 789s (and given the amazing pricing deal, they'd be a fool not to!!!) it would appear that they will largely be expansion routes or replacements of A330s which are moving to domestic. Apart from the last non-ER 744s I don't think there are any obvious older planes to be disposed of given the 763s should've already gone before then.

There is probably no real advantage in QF firming up the orders before 2016. They currently have slots reserved and have until 2016 to exercise these slots. Ordering early doesn't give them any any additional advantage but removes the flexibility of having the right to pass on the slot if they had to.



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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4987 posts, RR: 4
Reply 132, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9399 times:

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 130):
I doubt an ex-QF frame would fetch the same price that an ex-SQ frame would. SQ sell theirs at a relatively young age, and QF's 744s are long in the tooth.

That's my point QF could've / should've retired these birds earlier & get a decent return but that's in the past now  
Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 130):
Something I wonder about is if QF International returns to break-even sooner than FY16 (say for example FY14), will QF place their 789 order sooner?

Doesn't that place QF in a similar situation committing cash to aircraft which yet again won't be available until at least 2017+?

Quoting tullamarine (Reply 131):
If Int'l do take the 789s (and given the amazing pricing deal, they'd be a fool not to!!!)

I agree, just like the A330 deals at the time they had been handed to them free of charge practically.

EK8413



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User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1579 posts, RR: 0
Reply 133, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8985 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 132):
That's my point QF could've / should've retired these birds earlier & get a decent return but that's in the past now

If I am not mistaken (very possibly just an A.net rumour) doesnt this relate to Oz v Singapore depreciation laws/requirements?


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4987 posts, RR: 4
Reply 134, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8969 times:

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 133):
If I am not mistaken (very possibly just an A.net rumour) doesnt this relate to Oz v Singapore depreciation laws/requirements?

I'm not familiar with Singaporean laws & really can't shed any light on the topic.

However, if this happens to be the case would explain SQ's rapid / quick fleet turn over but again I'm no expert & sure someone can clarify Singaporean laws.

With JL's official press release of 31 x A350's, LH cancelling 3 x A380's & AF stating the A380 isn't a good fit for their needs. Would this / could this mean the remaining 8 x QF deferred A380's could be converted into say 10 x A350's???

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User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1579 posts, RR: 0
Reply 135, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8922 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 134):
With JL's official press release of 31 x A350's, LH cancelling 3 x A380's & AF stating the A380 isn't a good fit for their needs. Would this / could this mean the remaining 8 x QF deferred A380's could be converted into say 10 x A350's???

Well I dont doubt they could, but I doubt they would. These 8 A380's will play an important rule for SCL, JNB and DFW. DFW might be possible with the A350 (not sure) but the other two arent due to ETOPS rules as well as hot and high. So only way to overcome that would be to put A350's on LAX/LHR which wont happen.


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5906 posts, RR: 5
Reply 136, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 8902 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 129):
Haven't they learned anything from SQ?

The alternative question is haven't they learned anything from Delta  

SQ has a very high fleet turnover in part because Singaporean accounting laws allow them to do something funny (not sure what) in writing down the cost of the asset, which minimises the book loss when they sell it after only a few years.

Even if QF aimed for an 8-12 year turnover (after one D Check but before the second) they would need to be able to service the Capex costs, and that's where we are right now. I'm not 100% certain (and am certainly not an accountant!) but I think that QF could debt finance these new aircraft if they were desperate to do so, but given that they don't need them desperately then they would prefer to manage Capex spending until they are back in the black.

Back to the article at hand... I know that QF likes to change their fleet plan on everyday ending in a y, but it looks like we can (for now) put to bed discussing possible interpretations of the 787 engine color choice  



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User currently offlineshnoob940 From Australia, joined Sep 2008, 188 posts, RR: 0
Reply 137, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8898 times:

New question:

Can anyone explain why the MEL-SYD-DEL Air India 787 flight was delayed by 7.5 hours outbound today?

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User currently offlinesmi0006 From Australia, joined Jan 2008, 1546 posts, RR: 0
Reply 138, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 8879 times:

Will all the Ex-JQ A332 capacity be used domestically? How many have already entered the QF fleet? And how many to go, are the one for one replacement with the 787s?

I feel maybe two could be surely used for a couple of thinner services? SYD-HNL, MEL-NRT?


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4987 posts, RR: 4
Reply 139, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8766 times:

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 135):
Well I dont doubt they could, but I doubt they would. These 8 A380's will play an important rule for SCL, JNB and DFW. DFW might be possible with the A350 (not sure) but the other two arent due to ETOPS rules as well as hot and high. So only way to overcome that would be to put A350's on LAX/LHR which wont happen.

Without a doubt a twin would encounter a few issues when JNB is thrown into the mix but could the route justify a 500+ seater A380. Time will tell & I for one hope the deferral materialises in the shape of either A380 / A350.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 136):
Quoting EK413 (Reply 129):
Haven't they learned anything from SQ?

The alternative question is haven't they learned anything from Delta

I'm sure a few mad dogs would look stunning in the QF livery  
Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 136):

        

Thanks for shedding some light   & as for those white engine cowlings I hope / pray QF get their hands on shiny NEW B789's

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 138):
How many have already entered the QF fleet? And how many to go, are the one for one replacement with the 787s?

1 VH-EBS with 10 to go   JQ is receiving 14 B787's in total.

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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5906 posts, RR: 5
Reply 140, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8740 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 134):
Would this / could this mean the remaining 8 x QF deferred A380's could be converted into say 10 x A350's???

Sorry I missed this before, I would say no, no chance.

There are several differences between the QF operation and LH/AF.

The most obvious is that this market doesn't demand frequency on longhaul flights. Think about it, the only flight longer than 8 hours which is more than daily is SYDLAX. That plays into the A380s hands. In comparison, the likes of LH, AF, BA etc have to fly multiple daily flights to JFK, ORD, LAX, etc just to stay in the game.

Another key difference, as noted, is ETOPS. SCL and JNB couldn't be operated with a twin under the current regulatory environment,

Finally, QF would probably be better off converting 789s to 78Js if they wanted an aircraft in that sort of size range given that there's no way that Airbus would give them A350s at anything like the price they will get 787s for.



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User currently offlineQFVHOQA From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 141, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8741 times:

Quoting EK413 (Reply 132):
Doesn't that place QF in a similar situation committing cash to aircraft which yet again won't be available until at least 2017+?

QF are apparently able to switch their 787 orders between variants. So I guess QF could use a JQ 788 order and switch it for a QF 789. But then this would delay the return of A332s from JQ to QF so is probably not on the cards.

Quoting EK413 (Reply 132):
I agree, just like the A330 deals at the time they had been handed to them free of charge practically.

Absolutely right. But the difference would be QF's original A330 order was much smaller than their potential 787 order, so after the additional A330 orders, Airbus probably reaped more than Boeing will from their respective QF orders.

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 133):
If I am not mistaken (very possibly just an A.net rumour) doesnt this relate to Oz v Singapore depreciation laws/requirements?

As far as I know, Singapore allows for depreciation of assets to occurs over a shorter timeframe than other jurisdictions like Australia, EU, USA. So effectively the asset has no value on the balance sheet sooner for SQ, making a younger sale more profitable. It's more capital intensive than the current management at QF would like so even if possible, QF probably wouldn't follow the SQ fleet turnover.

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 135):
Well I dont doubt they could, but I doubt they would. These 8 A380's will play an important rule for SCL, JNB and DFW. DFW might be possible with the A350 (not sure) but the other two arent due to ETOPS rules as well as hot and high.

The A350 is almost redundant in a QF fleet. The incredibly low price of QF 787s would tip the odds in favour of 787 v A350. If QF want a larger plane than 789 they can switch to 78J. I would like to see an A350-1000 at QF but I don't see it happening.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 136):
The alternative question is haven't they learned anything from Delta

Had DL not taken up all of WN's 717s I could have seen QF with a larger fleet of them. But overall DL has lower costs than QF so can afford more frequent maintenance of an older fleet. Look at AA if you want to see what happens when you mix an old fleet with higher costs than your peers.

Quoting smi0006 (Reply 138):
I feel maybe two could be surely used for a couple of thinner services? SYD-HNL, MEL-NRT?

SYD-HNL will either need to go A330 by 2015 or be left to JQ, the 763s will be all gone by then. MEL-NRT I'm not sure the market is there.


User currently offlineqf2220 From Australia, joined Aug 2013, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 142, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 8657 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 136):
Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 141):

As far as I understand it, for tax purposes, Singapore lets companies depreciate their assets quicker. This means that their tax deductions are larger in earlier years than QF which means they pay less tax. Essentially a more favour able tax regime and therefore lower tax. Will I call it a subsidy? It is probably a more tangible one than other airline subsidies talked about on here.


User currently offlineAeroplaneFreak From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 542 posts, RR: 0
Reply 143, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8582 times:
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JQ will launch 788 services on November 13th with MEL-OOL services, followed shortly by MEL-CNS...

http://www.ausbt.com.au/jetstar-s-fi...-13-melbourne-to-gold-coast-cairns

Any word on which of the 6x daily MEL-OOL will see the 788?


User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 3135 posts, RR: 20
Reply 144, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 8355 times:

Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 135):
These 8 A380's will play an important rule for SCL, JNB and DFW. DFW might be possible with the A350 (not sure) but the other two arent due to ETOPS rules as well as hot and high.

I actually think you'll find the 744's, especially the ER's, sticking around for quite some time to fly SCL, JNB and LAX. The last A380's will be more critical if QF is to add frequency through DXB or to takeover the 744ER route to DFW and provide growth.

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 130):
Something I wonder about is if QF International returns to break-even sooner than FY16 (say for example FY14), will QF place their 789 order sooner?

The answer to that is no. The real question is what is QF Domestics ultimate requirement for widebody capacity and, once the A330's are all configured the same with lieflats, will some of this capacity by deployed to QF International to grow capacity? If you look at what has been happening in terms of the transfer of traffic from QF mainline domestic to JQ domestic, I'd say there is going to be more spare domestic widebody capacity, (like the A332 which is going to do PER-AKL), which can help add frequency to QF International. On the high frequency domestic routes, such as SYD-MEL and SYD-BNE, you're going to see alot more JQ A320's and QF 738's flying in future which are complemented by A330's going on to International services during peak hour.


User currently offlinezkokq From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 479 posts, RR: 0
Reply 145, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8297 times:

So I heard that there is a possibility the A330 will be pulled from BNE-PER and do DPS and or SIN runs. With an announcment very soon.

Thoughts?


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5906 posts, RR: 5
Reply 146, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8275 times:

Quoting zkokq (Reply 145):
So I heard that there is a possibility the A330 will be pulled from BNE-PER and do DPS and or SIN runs. With an announcment very soon.

I assume you're talking about VA?

SIN would surprise me, but cutting back on the number of A330 transcons wouldn't. At some point sanity has got to override prestige.

(incidentally IMHO the same applies to QF)



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User currently offlinezkokq From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 479 posts, RR: 0
Reply 147, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8243 times:

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 146):

Sorry yes I was refering to VA. Got ahead of myself there. I thought DPS was an interesting choice for the A330. I cant see that working either. SIN might is SQ scales back an A330 and allows VA to run in place. But then with the talk of the A380 coming from SQ very soon thats another unknown.


User currently offlineAeroplaneFreak From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 542 posts, RR: 0
Reply 148, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8227 times:
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Quoting zkokq (Reply 147):
But then with the talk of the A380 coming from SQ very soon thats another unknown

SQ will not be placing A380s on SIN-BNE-SIN services anytime soon.


User currently offlineQF2220 From Australia, joined Aug 2013, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 149, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 8242 times:

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 144):
Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 135):
These 8 A380's will play an important rule for SCL, JNB and DFW. DFW might be possible with the A350 (not sure) but the other two arent due to ETOPS rules as well as hot and high.

I actually think you'll find the 744's, especially the ER's, sticking around for quite some time to fly SCL, JNB and LAX. The last A380's will be more critical if QF is to add frequency through DXB or to takeover the 744ER route to DFW and provide growth.


Agreed. I think A380 is far too much for SCL, and possibly JNB (my opinion is that the SCL/JNB replacement aircraft isnt yet flying). I wouldnt be surprised to see some of them delivered (for DFW and possibly more Europe flying once the cards are revealed on further Europe strategy) but some of them converted to A320s and maybe an A330 or two.


User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2994 posts, RR: 2
Reply 150, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8103 times:

Quoting Sydscott (Reply 144):
The real question is what is QF Domestics ultimate requirement for widebody capacity and, once the A330's are all configured the same with lieflats, will some of this capacity by deployed to QF International to grow capacity?

Yes, but not to grow capacity. Assuming that the 744 retirements are still going ahead (which they appear to be, albeit at a slightly slower rate than expected), QF will be left with a 2-4 frame hole in their international fleet by 2015-16 (ie at least 1-2 years before they can get their hands on any 787s).

They currently have 10 A332s which cover all (or almost all?) SYD/MEL-PER flying. BNE-PER should be doable with 2-3 frames, which leaves 7-8 left to cover any additional domestic duties (such as existing 767 runs to CNS and DRW, plus a few peak services along the east coast) and international flying.

Depending on how they plan to handle the reconfiguration programme, we could potentially see the 4 Skybed A332s used internationally as soon as QF gets more JQ frames to cover their existing domestic flying. They obviously also have to think about covering retiring 767s, so it'll come down to where their priorities lie (ie getting rid of 747s or 767s first).

Quoting zkokq (Reply 147):

I could see any/all of SYD/BNE/MEL-DPS going to an A332 over the summer (when transcon traffic drops off), but SIN in general seems silly while markets like HKG/China and Japan remain completely neglected.

I'd also expect VA to start in SYD (or MEL) when it comes to expanding regionally (unless they have the BNE corporate market completely sewn up?)

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 149):
Agreed. I think A380 is far too much for SCL, and possibly JNB (my opinion is that the SCL/JNB replacement aircraft isnt yet flying).

QF has ten years to grow SCL, and I think the potential is there if QF plays their cards right (especially if they target the growing Asia-South America market).

JNB seems to be in a bit of a limbo at the moment, so who knows what will happen there. The traffic certainly exists to support the A380 and it's VFR heavy so dropping to 5-6/wk wouldn't be a major issue.

What else do you see flying these routes other than the A380? The 744s will be gone in 10 years, so QF's options are fairly limited.


User currently offlineQF2220 From Australia, joined Aug 2013, 547 posts, RR: 0
Reply 151, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8066 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 150):
QF has ten years to grow SCL, and I think the potential is there if QF plays their cards right (especially if they target the growing Asia-South America market).

JNB seems to be in a bit of a limbo at the moment, so who knows what will happen there. The traffic certainly exists to support the A380 and it's VFR heavy so dropping to 5-6/wk wouldn't be a major issue.

What else do you see flying these routes other than the A380? The 744s will be gone in 10 years, so QF's options are fairly limited.

Fair point on 10 years and SCL, there are opportunities (a LAN South American codeshare would be a good start) but at the moment it cant, even with the LAN codeshare (which I think by the way was dropped to 3pw for a few months this year - anyone know why?) they cannot grow more than a 3pw service. I think the 8 frames would have been delivered by the 10 year mark so maybe at the end of the deliveries we will see it but not at the beginning

JNB I see less opportunity as there isnt a carrier to realistically support QF in intra southern African flying and the VFR will probably wane over time. I dont see Australian business connections improving with Southern Africa at any great rate compared to South America. I know QF have struggled to keep profitable with 6pw on JNB

Ive said it elsewhere, the plane at the moment I think could work better for the Southern Ocean routes would be the A340 (300 or 600) but QF wont be getting them in a hurry. The 789 would probably be the best candidate but the ETDO regulations need to be changed for this to happen (which I know has been discussed before). How long do you think they could keep the ERs going?  


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5906 posts, RR: 5
Reply 152, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8149 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 150):
They currently have 10 A332s which cover all (or almost all?) SYD/MEL-PER flying. BNE-PER should be doable with 2-3 frames, which leaves 7-8 left to cover any additional domestic duties (such as existing 767 runs to CNS and DRW, plus a few peak services along the east coast) and international flying.

Remind me again, QF currently have 20 A330s and are about to get another 12 (?) from JQ?

Assuming 12-13 for PER, 2 for DRW, 5 for Triangle/CNS + 12 for international, that works out quite nicely.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 150):
unless they have the BNE corporate market completely sewn up?

No  

I can only speak for my parents, their respective firms, and their clients, but they all fly QF exclusively. My dad went to MEL on VA about 18 months ago when the client booked, but other than that they fly 100% QF regardless of whether it is their company or clients that are booking the flights. They are both in corporate finance, and I imagine the gap would be even bigger in the mining industry?

Don't get me wrong, I know that VA have done well for themselves. My best friend's girlfriend is with Ernst & Young, and out of 10 business trips this year 9 were on VA, so I know they have picked up some major clients.



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User currently offlineQFVHOQA From Australia, joined Mar 2012, 491 posts, RR: 0
Reply 153, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8069 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 150):
Yes, but not to grow capacity. Assuming that the 744 retirements are still going ahead (which they appear to be, albeit at a slightly slower rate than expected), QF will be left with a 2-4 frame hole in their international fleet by 2015-16 (ie at least 1-2 years before they can get their hands on any 787s).

QF & JQ made a presentation in Seattle regarding fleet developments B787 Seattle Tour Presentation. 2 744 will be retired in FY14, with 2 more by FY16. JQ will have 11 788s by FY16 so all their A332s should have returned to QF by this stage. It is claimed that 738s will do "East Coast" while A332s will do "East-West". So if PER only takes up 12-13 A332s then there should be up to 17 for International (assuming no expansion of East-West flying).

Quoting qf002 (Reply 150):
Depending on how they plan to handle the reconfiguration programme, we could potentially see the 4 Skybed A332s used internationally as soon as QF gets more JQ frames to cover their existing domestic flying.

This would appear to be a good idea, but to remain competitive with VA until the A330 refurb, QF will likely keep these for flights to PER.

Quoting qf002 (Reply 150):
QF has ten years to grow SCL, and I think the potential is there if QF plays their cards right (especially if they target the growing Asia-South America market).

This also depends how LA plays their cards. If LA expands using their 789s via AKL, then a QF A380 would be too much for the market. I could see LATAM operating direct from Brazil to AKL within 10 years, probably onwards to Australia.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 152):
Remind me again, QF currently have 20 A330s and are about to get another 12 (?) from JQ?

I believe there is a total of 30 A330s in the QF Group. 20 currently registered to QF, and 10 left at JQ.


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5906 posts, RR: 5
Reply 154, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8003 times:

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 151):
I see less opportunity as there isnt a carrier to realistically support QF in intra southern African flying

Well Comair, who QF currently totally ignore, fly to all the major South African destinations, plus LVI, VFA, and HRE for tourism and VFR.

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 151):
VFR will probably wane over time

True, but Australian tourism is going gangbusters in the region. Of course, that is pretty low yielding stuff.

Quoting QFVHOQA (Reply 153):
I could see LATAM operating direct from Brazil to AKL within 10 years, probably onwards to Australia.

Good point, and I hadn't even considered that possibility



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User currently offlineqf002 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 2994 posts, RR: 2
Reply 155, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7925 times:

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 151):
maybe at the end of the deliveries we will see it but not at the beginning

Completely agree.

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 151):
JNB I see less opportunity as there isnt a carrier to realistically support QF in intra southern African flying and the VFR will probably wane over time.

Comair? They don't have a massive network but cover the basics.

The South African community in this country is still growing (more than 30% from 2006-11).

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 151):
6pw

7/wk, and SA is now back up to daily from PER (from as low as 4-5/wk not long ago IIRC).

Quoting QF2220 (Reply 151):
the plane at the moment I think could work better for the Southern Ocean routes would be the A340 (300 or 600) but QF wont be getting them in a hurry.

Absolutely, and a QF A346 would be stunning. As much as people go on about QF never getting any 777s, the real mistake was made ten years earlier when they passed on the A340.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 152):
Remind me again, QF currently have 20 A330s and are about to get another 12 (?) from JQ?

Assuming 12-13 for PER, 2 for DRW, 5 for Triangle/CNS + 12 for international, that works out quite nicely.

They'll eventually end up with 20 A332s (10 already, 10 to come), plus the 10 A333s.

SYD-DRW and BNE-DRW can both be covered by a single frame (are there any other 767s ex-DRW?).

I think SYD-CNS is down to a single daily 767 (plus additional 737 flights), so that's one frame with a morning and afternoon peak rotation tacked on at either end. That leaves 5-6 frames for peak services and anything they need to cover internationally.

That's assuming that the DRW and CNS flights don't go to 737s. That would relieve a lot of the pressure on the fleet (though I think both are strong cargo routes?).


User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5906 posts, RR: 5
Reply 156, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7880 times:

Quoting qf002 (Reply 155):
That's assuming that the DRW and CNS flights don't go to 737s.

CNS could be a future A330 route, especially if cargo could be carried by JQ operating SYD-CNS-KIX (or whatever)

I can't speak for SYD (but I imagine it is a similar story) but I can't see BNE-DRW not being operated by a widebody.



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User currently offlineTruemanQLD From Australia, joined Feb 2007, 1579 posts, RR: 0
Reply 157, posted (1 year 1 month 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7839 times:

Anyone else noticed the 'Changi Airport Virgin' adds playing on radio and youtube advertisements at the moment? Seems they are hurting now that QF has left.