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Scandinavian Aviation 2013 - Part 3  
User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4391 posts, RR: 6
Posted (11 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 27875 times:

Due to length of part 2, here is part 3.

Previous thread: Scandinavian Aviation 2013 - Part 2 (by iowaman May 13 2013 in Civil Aviation)

261 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3367 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (11 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 27659 times:

LN-RCY, one of SAS 737-800s is currently in the hangar getting a special Disney "Planes" livery nd should be put in traffic shortly.
Some photos can be found here:


User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (11 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 27533 times:

Two other SAS-planes are also in the hanger now, OY-KAM and OY-KAT because of problems with windows in the cockpit during two seperate incidents. OY-KAM flying GOT-LHR and OY-KAT flying LHR-CPH. Both planes were previous with IndiGO.

Read more here: http://www.check-in.dk/newselement.c...?nNewsArticleID=81619#.UkGbeiRIu2w

User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3367 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (11 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 27486 times:

Quoting invaders (Reply 2):
Two other SAS-planes are also in the hanger now, OY-KAM and OY-KAT because of problems with windows in the cockpit during two seperate incidents

Both planes are back in service. A cracked windshield doesn't mean weeks in the hangar.....

User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 27438 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 3):
Both planes are back in service. A cracked windshield doesn't mean weeks in the hangar.....

Misread the article, sorry.   

User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 27264 times:

Problem's just don't stop for DY. Now the labour-union parat is warning DY that it's not accepting the use of foreign pilots on Norwegian routes. If Norwegian don't meet the demand from Parat it might be a rather shity autumn for Norwegian with 787 problems and to top it up, a strike :P

http://e24.no/boers-og-finans/streik...are-for-norwegian-i-hoest/21615565 Source(only in norwegian).

User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (11 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 26980 times:

Austrian adds OSL-INN from Jan 18 to late march. I thought SK flew this route? But after searching a bit I could not find any winter-sesaonal direct-routes from OSL to INN with SK.

User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3367 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (11 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 26966 times:

Quoting invaders (Reply 6):
I thought SK flew this route?

No, but they flew to Salzburg last winter. But that route seems not like coming back. Buut they had some charter flights to INN once a while

User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 26872 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 7):

No, but they flew to Salzburg last winter. But that route seems not like coming back. Buut they had some charter flights to INN once a while

DY have doubled their frequency from BGO to Salzburg compared to last winter when it was saturday only. Atleast it seems like something is working for them :P

User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 778 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (11 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 26735 times:

As we all expected   regarding the Scandinavians government wish to sell SAS....

"Prime Minister Helle Thorning-Schmidt's Party Socialdemokraterne are wary of a possible bid for the Danish stake in SAS at the present time.

-For the moment, we believe that it will have to focus on carrying out the plan to save the SAS. That said, the Government is very keen to make sure that the high number of flights from Copenhagen, and the quality of these. Route the quotation strengthens the business and increase employment in both the Copenhagen and the surrounding areas, "said the Danish Parliament Member Jesper Petersen to the E24.

The concern is related to if a foreign owner, for example, a German, will be just as interested in the Danish capital as the hub for the Scandinavian air travel."

Link: http://e24.no/boers-og-finans/danske...er-skeptiske-til-sas-salg/21616751 (Norwegian only.)

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User currently offlineThunderboltDrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 599 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (11 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 26675 times:

There is also an article about LH and SK at the local http://www.thelocal.se/50472/20130927/

Lufthansa chief executive Christoph Franz said Thursday that his group could consider
making a bid for the Scandinavian airline SAS.

"The chief executive Rickard Gustafson has really done an impressive job. SAS has made
a lot of improvements to the company," he told the Svenska Dagbladet newspaper.

"It means that we could perhaps consider once again whether an acquisition could be possible."

Lufthansa has long been seen as the main contender to acquire the ailing airline.

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User currently offlineLN-KGL From Norway, joined Sep 1999, 1027 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (11 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 26642 times:

This sceptesism from the Danish follows a long tradition. For those of you that saw the 1 hour long Danish TV programme about SAS will right away recognize - to have as many as possible employed at Kastrup. What's best for SAS comes in second row.

User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1709 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (11 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 26554 times:

Quoting LN-KGL (Reply 11):
This sceptesism from the Danish follows a long tradition. For those of you that saw the 1 hour long Danish TV programme about SAS will right away recognize - to have as many as possible employed at Kastrup. What's best for SAS comes in second row.

When it comes to SAS, Denmark suffers a bit of an inferiority complex. It is the smallest country geographically with no big domestic network to think of. As such it built itself up as the intercontinental hub, something which probably isn't sustainable with the likes of DY setting up shop at OSL and other bases.

Unfortunately Denmark also has an incredibly hostile union culture. Norway is similar in this respect. Unfortunately it isn't something they can even think about changing with a social democratic lead coalition in government.

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User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (11 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 26529 times:

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 12):
DY setting up shop at OSL and other bases.

They need a working airplane first 

User currently offlineEBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1001 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 26513 times:

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 12):
It is the smallest country geographically

Why look at things in black and white? You forget to mention that the catchment area of CPH in the Øresund-region at the same time is the most populated. Do SIN, DXB & HKG have a strong domestic network? No, but they are certainly strong hubs.

User currently offlineThunderboltDrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 599 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (11 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 26482 times:

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 14):
catchment area of CPH in the Øresund-region at the same time is the most populated.

I disagree with this.

Sure the Öresund is well populated but Stockholm with Uppsala, Mälardalen (biggest cities
are Västerås, Eskilstuna and Södertälje), Örebro Norrköping, Linköping and Gävle,
have a bigger catchment are and bigger population.

All these cities are about 200km or closer to Arlanda and all of then have a
population of about 100'000 or more.

While Öresund have Cph, Malmö. Helsingborg, Lund and Odense within 200km

[Edited 2013-09-27 06:30:35]

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User currently offlineEBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1001 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (11 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 26438 times:

Quoting ThunderboltDrgn (Reply 15):
All these cities are about 200km or closer to Arlanda and all of then have a
population of about 100'000 or more.

I don't know about the numbers, but I think one also has to consider infrastructure. CPH is easy and relatively inexpensive to get to not least because it's part of the local commuter network. Is this the same for ARN?

There are both historal and logistical reasons for CPH being a main hub. Probably none of the 3 capital airports would have been ideal to choose as the main hub only, when you count both the long-haul and the intra-european route networks in. On its own they could probably have done fairly well, but all 3 airports had to be considered in this balancing act.

User currently offlineThunderboltDrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 599 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (11 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 26312 times:

ARN is easy to access via Freeways (on both sides of lake Mälaren), Express trains,
commuter trains, regular buses and airport coaches. For those who choose
to drive there is also several larger long-time parkings around the airport.

Even if the express train is not cheap, crossing the bridge is not particular cheap either.

Within a 2-2,5 hour drive from Stockholm you have more the 1/3 of the 10M people that lives in Sweden.

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User currently offlinejox From Sweden, joined Jan 2003, 124 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (11 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 26166 times:
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Quoting ThunderboltDrgn (Reply 17):
ARN is easy to access via Freeways (on both sides of lake Mälaren), Express trains,
commuter trains, regular buses and airport coaches. For those who choose
to drive there is also several larger long-time parkings around the airport.

Don't forget that the long distance trains stops at ARN as well (convenient for those that lives a bit north and northwest of Stockholm).

User currently offlineEBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 1001 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (11 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 26151 times:

Quoting ThunderboltDrgn (Reply 17):
Within a 2-2,5 hour drive from Stockholm you have more the 1/3 of the 10M people that lives in Sweden.

Within just 2 hours from CPH I'd say you'd have a fair bit more than that. Without Sweden, Zealand+Funen alone has 3 million. Within the 2 hours drive on the Swedish side I'd say you have 1-1.5 million as well.

Check this out:
CPH/UK/B2B/Airlines/Catchment+Area/Catchment+area+size.htm" target="_blank">http://www.cph.dk/CPH/UK/B2B/Airline...hment+Area/Catchment+area+size.htm

User currently offlineairlittoralguy From France, joined Nov 2005, 234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (11 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 26089 times:

Good morning everyone.

I am looking for the schedules of the formerly operated Malmo aviation flights between Malmo and London city (around 1992/1993) as well as their more recent (around 1999 ? ) flights between Stockholm Bromma airport and London city.

If anyone could post here the schedules for these former Malmo aviation flights into London city airport, your help would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

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User currently offlineThunderboltDrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 599 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 26029 times:

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 19):

Like I said yesterday the population of Kastrups catchment area is
big but Arlandas is just as big or bigger.

Even If you add the 2M population in Göteborg, Skåne and Halland to the 5.5M people living in Denmark
you still don't have a larger population then the rest of Sweden which would about 8m people.

The people of Gothenburg can just as well go to ARN instead of CPH as don't
would need to pay the fee for the HH-ferries or the bridge.

So population wise there isn't any favour for CPH as you seems to think.

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User currently offlineNavigator From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 1207 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (11 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 25974 times:

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 16):
I don't know about the numbers, but I think one also has to consider infrastructure. CPH is easy and relatively inexpensive to get to not least because it's part of the local commuter network. Is this the same for ARN?

There are both historal and logistical reasons for CPH being a main hub

I doubt CPH has a future as a hub for Metropolitan Stockholm area. Why would you travel in the air for an hour to get to your main airport. Arlanda is Stockholms main airport with intercontinental connections to Asia, Africa and the US, Whats this talk about CPH? CPH is Copenhagens airport and Bromma and Arlanda serve Stockholm. Nothing to do with CPH. You can as easily connect with Emirates in Dubai going east instead. CPH:s importance as a hub in Scandinavia is getting smaller as OSL and ARN gets thier fair share of nonstops. That progress will continue.

User currently offlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1406 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (11 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 25842 times:

Does anyone have an inside view on how SAS's new Humberside to Copenhagen route is selling?

Kind regards


User currently offlineThunderboltDrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 599 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (11 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 25767 times:

Quoting Navigator (Reply 22):
You can as easily connect with Emirates in Dubai going east instead.

Or with TG in BKK or AY in HEL or the with Air China in Beijing.

I also agree with what you say about wasting an hour by going on a plane in the wrong direction.

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25 SAS A340 : I live close to Gothenburg and i take ARN 10 times out of 10 when i am flying... if i can get a nonstop flight... most of my friends do.
26 Post contains links SAS A340 : Now it seems that Norwegian air will not pay out refunds to passengers who have been delayed because of the dreamliner problems ... even though they w
27 Post contains links invaders : Speaking about hubs, I knew that Hamburg is a new hub for U2 but I did not know it was in competition with CPH. What it is this CPH GO? Is it the same
28 Someone83 : Yes, it is the rather remote pier F (Gate F1-10) which lies to the far east of the terminal. Consider U2 uses T2 for check in means it is a long walk
29 LN-KGL : invanders, you seems to be struggling with some important expressions, like what is the difference between a hub and a base. Let's start with the easi
30 invaders : Thats great, professor.. I stand corrected
31 SKAirbus : As Norwegian fly to and from the EU (Sweden) and an EEA country (Norway) with their Dreamliners, surely they are subject to the same rules as every o
32 Someone83 : SAS has decided to donate one of their last MD-80s to the SAS Museum at OSL. The museum have together with OSL decide how it can be parked in connecti
33 SKAirbus : That is such a wonderful gift although you'd think SAS would prefer to have the money for scrapping etc. Then again it is the end of an era, that sta
34 Someone83 : Consider it is a SAS-museum, very unlikely. Also, where the museeum is, there is limited space without blocking too much of the West Air mail cargo r
35 SKAirbus : True... Well Braathens is a part of SAS' history... Even though it was, at the time, a competitor.
36 Someone83 : SAS has announced their order for 4 A330-300 and 8 A350-900 (+6 options) has been firmed with Airbus
37 B747forever : Were there ever any doubts about the order? I thought it was a done deal when they announced it the first time.
38 Mortyman : The difference is that, now the contract is SIGNED
39 prebennorholm : It probably tells more about how important CPH once was for Denmark. But then the Great Belt Bridge was opened, and Danish domestic air traffic conse
40 LN-KGL : But this decline in domestic market share only counts for less than 3 percentage points of the 23 percentage points decline in transfer prebenholm.
41 g2scandinavia : Norwegian to boost service out of OSL on domestic services. A total of 22 new daily flights in and out of OSL. This will boost capacity by 100.000 sea
42 Someone83 : OY-KAW, SAS 10th A320 is planned delivered to CPH today and should shortly be placed in traffic. This is an ex-Kingfisher aircraft, unlike the previou
43 B747forever : Thought it was already done when they announced the order the first time. Oh, well guess it doesnt make any difference.
44 invaders : I thought DY said that they are going to reduce domestic services because of the Eurobonus :P I do wonder if Easyjet is going to increase its service
45 Post contains links Mortyman : Norwegian Reports Continued Passenger Growth in September The airline carried 1,920,329 passengers in September, an increase of 272,627 passengers (17
46 Post contains links someone83 : Photo of hte first JetTime ATR-72-600 in SAS colours which will be delivered to JetTime this month and used on minor routes from ARN and CPH http://ww
47 SKAirbus : Nice looking bird! Do we know what routes they will be operating on?
48 someone83 : Those operated by Golden Air from ARN today. So Kalmar, Sundvall, Turku, Vaasa, Tampere and Oulo. So far SAS har signed contract for six ATRs with Je
49 SKAirbus : Brilliant. Thanks! Sundsvall has a modern terminal building with air bridges even but the airport just seems to be completely underutilised. Even Ske
50 ThunderboltDrgn : I think it to some extent depends on that since Sundsvall is only some 3½ hour away by train from Stockholm, means that the overall time gain by fly
51 bagmanlgw : More DY expansion at Gatwick seems very likely / imminent Rumour at Gatwick is up to 8 aircraft based for Summer 2014 , up from 4 this winter They see
52 Post contains links MillwallSean : In regards to Sundsvall and the drastic shift in passenger volumes that has taken place in Sweden, thunderboltdragn attached a very good link in the B
53 CPHFF : No doubts about the order itself, rather the financing. It's still a risk to finance/lease aircraft to SAS (like many other carriers in financial dif
54 Post contains images B747forever : SAS cant wait until they get their new toys
55 Someone83 : September traffic numbers: CPH: 2.198.245 +3,5% OSL: 2 124 305 +4,2% ARN: 1 898 415 +7,1%
56 SAS A340 : ARN growing the fastest of the three even this month and CPH is growing slowest, it seems .... Fixed comparing with last month's figures presented abo
57 Someone83 : You can't compare one month with a different as all airports have quite a variation in the monthly traffic. OSL has in certain mo th been larger than
58 Post contains links B747forever : After 10 years absence Luxair will restart their LUX-ARN route on March 30 2014. Will be operated four times weekly with their ERJ145s http://www.swed
59 g2scandinavia : For OSL and ARN to lead ahead on the growth is nothing else but impressive given the huge gap up to CPH and their effort to gain new services. CPH wh
60 icebird757 : You could have fooled me. I was in HAM 10 days ago and did not see 1 single Easyjet a/c.
61 invaders : @g2scandinavia: Do you know how OSL Its not due to start before the spring next year. As of now its only 6 routes operated by U2 from HAM. Both U2 and
62 Someone83 : DY is increasing on several domestic NO routes in S14
63 Post contains images invaders : Sorry I should have written "I cant find any new routes compared to 2013"
64 Someone83 : Qatar is increasing the cargo capacity at OSL by going up from 2x to 3x weekly from Oct 27. Monday - A330-200F Tuesday - 777-200LRF Thursday - A330-20
65 copenhagenboy : How do you define that?
66 Post contains images SAS A340 : "Stockholm-The Capital of Scandinavia" is the region's common brand. The brand can be used by anyone who wants to contribute to the development of St
67 EBGflyer : And that region is Sweden. It's branding of the Swedes by the Swedes. Nothing to do with the rest of Scandinavia. We can brand whatever we like, but
68 Post contains links invaders : Aaaanyway, back to aviation-topics. http://www.hegnar.no/bors/article744516.ece According to Bjørn Kjos, they are looking at an alliance with Jetblue
69 SAS A340 : Jetblue would probably be fine, then, people can travel further in the United States to a large number of cities and can thus open up for more people
70 KiwiRob : I don't think they will ever build a highspeed rail link between Trondheim and Oslo, especially after the minister of transport stated last year that
71 invaders : Indeed, might also take more customers that would have flown with SAS/UA too, I do find this thought rather interesting. SAS have never shown any int
72 KiwiRob : That only makes a difference if you live in Olso, if you live outside Oslo you still have to make the connection at OSL with DY, a lot of cities in N
73 invaders : Yes and quite alot of Norways population does.
74 KiwiRob : But 3/4's doesn't.
75 Someone83 : Think either Kjos or the Journalist need to learn the difference between alliance and cooperation. But wouldn't surprise me, at JetBlue co-operates w
76 arn777 : You haven't been to Norway in a while have you... why the constant bitter opinion about Norway and most things related to Noway KiwiRob? The bitterne
77 SAS A340 : In fact, I think he lives in Norway or did anyway,right?
78 Post contains images invaders : Indeed, it was early and I wanted to get the topic back to aviation-related news I think Kjos said somewhere(Cant find the source right now, sorry) t
79 KiwiRob : What kind of 3 hours, walking, cycling, train, car or plane? Greater Oslo is about 1.2m, which is about 25% of the population. The coastal cities fro
80 Post contains links invaders : Well I wouldnt mind getting this topic back to aviation-related stuff instead of fighting over what part of scandinavia is the most important... I fou
81 arn777 : I've since 2003. One hotel is the Thief. You are completely off regarding this. The problem with the star rating project was that 1) the Govt spent m
82 Post contains images SAS A340 : Las Vegas evokes pleasant memories, it would be nice if Norwegian could start it from ARN Agree, we may well be agreed that experiences and needs var
83 Post contains links invaders : I'll keep the topic on track with more DY-stuff. After all the negativity around SK when they were close to bankruptcy last year I feel that DY is wel
84 Someone83 : Increases in SAS S14 program: Denmark CPH-BRE Double daily service operated by AT7.,Route launched as daily service in W13. CPH-BER Expanded capacity
85 KiwiRob : Quite amazing that DY released details of it's pilots salaries. 2m NOK for the highest paid, not bad if you ask me.
86 invaders : Interesting, I wonder if they will expand some of the services from BGO operated in S13 Indeed. A few years back SK did exactly the same when they wa
87 teme82 : What it means reality? SK using their own metal instead KF's 717's?
88 Someone83 : Probably means a smaller reduction during the summer than usual. OSL-HEL for SAS is mainly business, and thus often reduced during the summer months
89 Humberside : CPH-HUY (launching later this month) seems to be going from 5xWeek to 6xWeek as well, though with the route not operating at all during holiday perio
90 KiwiRob : Still no direct flights from OSL to Russia on SK metal, I hate the codeshare with Aeroflot, no points and Aeroflot always shove me down the back despi
91 Someone83 : They flew OSL-SVO 6x untill this Spring, but the route was cancelled. So it is unlike it will return
92 invaders : Indeed, lasted from March 27, 2011 until this spring. DY also tried from 2007 to 2009 but cancelled the route due to low demand.
93 Post contains images Doona : Maybe they just don't like you? Cheers Mats
94 Post contains links g2scandinavia : New release from The Muppet Show. CPH have updated their benchmarking upon ARN and OSL. http://www.cph.dk/CPH/UK/B2B/Airline...hmarks/Nordic+Business+
95 KiwiRob : No that was the codeshare with Aeroflot, they never used SK metal, you didn't get EB points, without the points I'd rather take the long way via CPH
96 Someone83 : You're wrong, they flew with their own metal. It was started March 2011 with 4x weekly as SK2730/31, usually operated by 737-600. It was increased to
97 Post contains links invaders : Correct. What happened when SK anounced the route was that SK sold tickets to both their and Aeoroflots flights and vice versa for Aeroflot. And the
98 KiwiRob : Interesting I've just checked my records, I flew SK2730 2 times in 2011/12, both times were on Aeroflot metal, the other 9 times I went to Moscow, 7
99 Someone83 : SK2730 has never been a codeshare flightnumber. Sk codeshares are in the SK3xxxx, 5xxxx and 6xxxx range
100 invaders : They are 8xxx and 9xxx too. I've just recently flown the morning departure OSL-RIG wich was booked on sas.no and operated by Air Baltic, it was SK963
101 Post contains links KarelXWB : SAS-branded ATR 72-600 enters Jet Time fleet: http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-600-enters-jet-time-fleet-391867/ Delivery flight: http://www.fl
102 Someone83 : SAS seems to be answering DY increase on OSL-MOL from S14 by increasing from 3x to 4x daily on Tuesday, Wedneday and Thurdays
103 Post contains links and images oykie : According to this article the ticket price is down up to 37% in Norway. This will of course hit the buttomline at the airlines. I wonder if this is du
104 invaders : Interesting that Jet Time operates for both SK and DY in Denmark
105 TristarSteve : I should be an aircraft spotter. On the cargo ramp at ARN is an RAF Tristar, and an RAF A330. Nice to see a Tristar again before they disappear. This
106 B747forever : I guess a mechanical diversion because of the MD11 subbing. Do you know where the flight originated from and when the 777 landed?
107 KiwiRob : And needed too, most flights to/from Molde are full to the brim. I'm still pissed that the last flight which used to be 22.45 was dropped as I get st
108 thunderboltdrgn : It was from Osaka, should be KL 868. According to Swedish media it was engine problem.[Edited 2013-10-20 11:41:34]
109 Someone83 : Both companies are reporting falling yield, however I would not take any number from Travelmarket.no serious as they are just trying to sell tickets
110 SKAirbus : I saw a Blue 1 717 at Terminal 4 at Arlanda last week. Which domestic routes is it operating?
111 Someone83 : It could be anyone as Blue1 is operating "all" over SAS network. Even at OSL they are often operating Norwegian domestic routes, as well several Euro
112 icebird757 : Well seeing DY's expansion at JFK and FLL and possibly BOS down the road, I see an interline possible in the next 6-9 months depending on how things
113 Post contains images CPHFF : Could be any one. I flew MMX-ARN with them earlier this Month. Nice and quiet in row 5
114 Someone83 : JetTime will take over Cimber ATR operation for SAS from CPH from March 2013, meaning the current ATR-72-200, will be replaced by brand new -600 model
115 invaders : Someone once said "Twist your statistics enough and you will get your desired result". That is what travelmarket.no is doing and of course Dagbladet
116 Post contains links and images g2scandinavia : Impressive benchmarking from Qatar Airways OSL's service given the fact that there’s hardly any businesses in and around Oslo http://www.hangar.no/q
117 Post contains links invaders : SK forced to cancel 22 intercontinental flights because the A340 plane from LAN is delayed until next year. According to check-in.dk. The problems mig
118 Post contains links SCL767 : Indeed, CC-CQG http://flic.kr/p/gyKfVt was recently moved to LAN's SCL maintenance facility for reactivation and will be deployed on certain LAN oper
119 B747forever : I guess you mean CPH-IAD because I cant remember SAS ever announcing IAH.
120 invaders : Indeed, I was reading it before I had my morning-coffe. My bad.
121 g2scandinavia : Finansavisen presented an interesting development on the LH market from OSL yesterday. Despite increased capacity to Bangkok and New York, both demand
122 Post contains links CPHFF : Nowegian Q3 results are official: http://media.norwegian.com/en/#/pres...er-growth-throughout-europe-921056 I have to say that I'm positively surprise
123 CPHFF : On a totally different subject. I was landing in BLL on Tuesday. I noticed what looked like quite a large abandoned airfield just South (or South East
124 Post contains links TUGMASTER : Vojens Airport maybe....? http://www.airport.haderslev.dk/index.asp?id=3891
125 SKAirbus : Hi guys, I landed into ARN from LHR on the BA 776 on Sunday morning and as we were taxiing off the runway (in an A319) a Royal Air Force Tristar taxii
126 Post contains images TristarSteve : Can't tell you why, but the RAF are common visitors to ARN. Usually with the A330. But this week a Tristar arrived on Sat 19 together with an A330, a
127 Post contains images SKAirbus : Tusen takk Yes, it was very misty yesterday! The cloud base was very low when I departed. Incidentally the BA 781 took off on time yesterday... Somet
128 Post contains links larshjort : I am 100% sure you saw the remnants of Flyvestation Vandel. It was an old army flying base, it was shutdown in 2003 when all helicopters were transfe
129 SAS A340 : I Think that One of them was wrong on a prox switch to the nosegear indication. The second came with spare parts for it.
130 prebennorholm : Sure larshjort is right in his reply #129. It's Vandel AFB. Search only 6 km SSE of BLL and you will easily find it on Google Maps. In some strange w
131 CPHFF : Thanks! I did find it on Google Maps, but not the actual name. Considering it has been closed for 10 years, it looks very intact (at least from the a
132 WesternFlyer : Rumor has it that Widerøe is announcing som exciting news saturday morning. There will be an article in the newspaper Dagens Næringsliv regarding th
133 prebennorholm : I haven't heard about any near term plans. It is just one of many abandoned military installlations sitting there and not being much in the way for a
134 invaders : I guess that its the old -100 and -200 aircrafts they are looking to replace. Some of them are 20 years old.
135 Post contains links and images TeamDA : Looks like they are going for -400s http://forum.flyprat.no/showpost.php?p=892270&postcount=54
136 Post contains links and images invaders : Good one (Litt tørr ) But thats my humour On another note, problems just dont stop for Norwegian.... http://www.nrk.no/norge/norwegians-dreamliner-p
137 KiwiRob : What do you replace them with, there's very little choice and you can't get new ones. Buying more 400's is in significant increase in capacity.
138 invaders : I dont know, for example ATR 46-100 will be too big for both Sogndal and Sandane for example. At some point those oldest 100's and 200's need to be r
139 g2scandinavia : Rumours has it that widerøe are in talks with CASA regarding a sivil version of the 295/235.
140 Post contains images invaders : Could work: But will it be too heavy for the shortest of the shortest airports?
141 Someone83 : OY-KAU, SAS 11th out of a total of 13 planned A320, was delivered to CPH this weekend. Also this is an ex-Indigo aircraft
142 g2scandinavia : Norwegian continues its expansion in Europe and today announced the opening of a new base of operations in Tenerife. Along with the new crew base, Nor
143 Post contains links ThunderboltDrgn : Örnsköldsvik airport ( OER ) will today try Remote Tower Services which is supposed to be the first time in Sweden the service is used for "real" in
144 Someone83 : FlyNonstop has decleared itself bankrupt and will cease all operations immediatly
145 B747forever : Sad that they werent able to make it. There was a good article on them in the Septebmer issue of Airliner World.
146 Post contains images invaders : Not surprising. You get flexible options with WF/SK via CPH and OSL + KLM via AMS. And the marked for O&D is far from big enough to justify all t
147 Post contains links CXfirst : Tuesday (or Monday, article is a bit unclear) BMI Regional landed at EVE airport to present their aircraft and their new route from SVG to EVE, which
148 Post contains images Spike11 : I'd almost like to go to Stavanger before going up north to visit family just to catch this one...
149 invaders : How many routes have BMI-regional started(going to start) from/in Norway? I know they just recently started OSL-ABZ, but what else?
150 LN-KGL : If you look at their "Where we fly" map, ABZ-KSU and SVG-EVE-TOS in addition to ABZ-OSL.
151 Someone83 : BMI is closing CPH-EDI as part of their restucturing and closure of the EDI-base.
152 Someone83 : Seems like Lufthansa is closing DUS-OSL from 1. Dec, and that Germanwings will not take over the route as planned
153 invaders : That route is well covered by SK in my opinion. On another note, it does look like a strike in DY is right around the corner. So we have to get ready
154 Someone83 : I largely disagree. Now it will be down to one daily, thus lossing a lot flexibilty, with only the afternoon/evening OSL-DUS-OSL rotation. Although y
155 KiwiRob : If Norwegian Labour want to continue working they need to get with the program and not expect to be paid as highly as they are. I have a friend who w
156 SKAirbus : Although NOK 3,000 a month from which they get hardly any allowances when staying in Oslo (food in Norway is expensive!!) is shocking...
157 invaders : You need to differ between offshore and onshore. And you are right, those salaries are unsustainable in the long run, just look how much SK had to fi
158 Mortyman : Offshore is a special case and yes, the salaries are silly, but the average salarie on shore in Norway is around 450K. Many has far lower than the av
159 KiwiRob : We I'm overnighting in Oslo, I get diettpenger which is around 600 NOK per night, from what I have read they get 800, I can manage on 600. That's fai
160 invaders : That depends, I started out with that salary when I was done with my education and I did get by very well in Oslo. From what I have read the disagree
161 KiwiRob : Must have been a while ago, you'd have trouble getting into the property market with that kind of salary. That's why I'm surprised so many refugees w
162 invaders : Last year, but I was already in the housing-market prior to moving to Oslo. Anyyyyway, does anyone know when Norwegian will recive their 3rd "dreamli
163 LN-KGL : The schedule for now is: NAX8787 | 22 Nov 13 | PAE-DUB | EI-LNC LNC after two non starts due to bad weather earlier this week, did take to the air for
164 Post contains images starbucks : So, I've been interested in the Scandinavian countries for a long time... Someone would really make me happy if they could help me with finding a cont
165 invaders : DAT will operate CPH-AAL this winter on behalf of Norwegian starting october 27th. I wonder what happened with the new WF-planes. Just a PR-jippo?
166 Someone83 : Seems to only be two round trips on Saturdays
167 EBGflyer : Just a few observations from CPH when I arrived from BKK this morning. I noticed DY5003 landed right after us. AFAIK this is the non-stop DXB-OSL flig
168 Someone83 : On days with strong headwinds a fuel-stop is not uncommon on this route
169 Post contains links invaders : It's been there for a while. Read more here: http://www.check-in.dk/newselement.c...?nNewsArticleID=82453#.UnkaPCQ6E2c On a side note, I was also fly
170 Someone83 : Can't be that one. A7-BCK which was the one grounded for a few days in CPH a month ago has according to flightaware been flying every day for the las
171 EBGflyer : I think it is actually. A7-BCK arrived into CPH on Nov 3 as QR159 around 13.08 (according to WebTrak), but can't see it left again on Nov 3 as QR160.
172 invaders : Interesting, I was just assuming that it was A7-BCK without checking the facts. But I guess thats why they sent a bigger plane to pick up the strande
173 Someone83 : OY-KAY, SAS' 12th A320 has now been delivered. Former Kingfisher aircraft Only OY-KAS remaing to be delivered out of the 13 planned leased and used A3
174 KiwiRob : Did anyone here fly SK yesterday? On all three of my flights one of the hostesses sang a song over the PA, very strange. My friend who is a WF hostess
175 Post contains links invaders : Not surprised, having flown that aircraft in early june the interior was in horrible condition(for SK standard). It was only in the written version o
176 B747forever : What is SK's retirement plan for the 736? Do they plan to keep the airplane for many more years to come, or will they accelerate the type’s retirem
177 Post contains images Someone83 : Yes and no AFAIK the plan is that the fleet will be reduced during the next year as a few aircraft will be returned to the lessors. However, at the s
178 KiwiRob : I'd love them to replace all the 737's with NEO's, I can't stand the low windows and tight shoulder room if you're stuck in a window or middle seat.
179 Post contains images B747forever : Good, at least we will see them for another couple of years. Actually, I would much rather see SK with an all Boeing fleet. But, lets not start an A
180 Post contains links invaders : Norwegian opens a Madrid-base and adds routes from the spanish capital to the scandinavian capitals. Madrid – Stockholm Fyra gånger i veckan på m
181 teme82 : AY is operating daily? MAD service from HEL.
182 Post contains links and images SKAirbus : It looks like all 737 classics will be gone from the SK fleet by the 23rd of December. Boarding.no has released a retirement plan for the last three a
183 invaders : Same here. When I flew on these aircrafts lately I always enjoyed the fact that you saw some logos from Braathens here and there.
184 SKAirbus : I also love how SAS has maintained the original Braathens names for the 737-705s. LN-TUL is still called "Håkon IV Håkonsson" after inheriting the
185 invaders : For some reason I've been flying LN-TUD many times, (20 times since I started to log the registration-numbers in 2004), and it is named Margrete Skul
186 SKAirbus : I think the 736s will be the first to go as they aren't exactly cash cows... Basically the same cost to run as a 73G but with fewer seats. I imagine
187 Someone83 : They are about the same age as a lot of the older part of 737NG fleet originally delivered to SAS. Expect the -600s to go before them
188 SKAirbus : According to Planespotters.net the following ex-Braathens 737-705s are still in the SAS fleet (bearing their original BU names): LN-TUA - Ingeborg Eri
189 invaders : The last 4 on your list was WL-fitted in 2008-2009. THE 736 in SK's fleet works onthe old Braathens "melkeruta". But one can wonder if SK at some poi
190 Post contains links SAS767 : Aegean Airlines will launch new routes from Athens to Scandinavia - CPH 3x weekly and ARN 2x weekly from May 2014: More info: http://cphtraveller.dk/n
191 Someone83 : Some of them are also high MTOW versions (together with LN-RRA and RRB) which comes quite handy on some routes, such as GZP-OSL, from KRS to Spain, c
192 Post contains links Someone83 : Ukraine International is to start KBP-ARN from June 2014 http://airlineroute.net/2013/11/14/ps-arn-jun14/
193 Post contains links invaders : BMI regional is increasing OSL-ABZ from 6 to 10 weekly, adding a 2nd flight on monday-thursdays, while fridays and sundays keeps the same scheudle. No
194 Post contains links Tristarsteve : The Swedish Government has said yes to Arna/F16/Uppsala Airport for Civil flights. http://www.unt.se/debatt/regeringen-...ill-civilflyg-pa-arna-269881
195 Someone83 : SAS has wetleased CS-TQZ (A340-300) from HiFly to operate CPH-IAD 21/11-3/12 due to lack of aircrafts in this period. Ironically this ex-EK aircraft i
196 invaders : Must be better then the Omni Air 763... Can anyone shed some light over what actually happened with the A340 they were supposed to take on from LAN?
197 invaders : On a side note, Lufthansa is reducing FRA-BGO to just one daily starting march 6th next year. While FRA-BGO was operated with 3 daily with a mix of 73
198 Someone83 : It is been delayed due to a disagreement between LAN and Airbus. Most likely it will be ready by end of February
199 Someone83 : DAT has decided to cease all their routes from Rygge, meaning the airport will be without any domestic services. DAT currently fly from Rygge to SVG,
200 invaders : According to DAT it was not the demand itself, maybe the company have some economic problems and cut routes who are not profitable even if the demand
201 Someone83 : According to the latest update SAS is expected to receive the first of the four A330-300E in August 2015, and the first A340-300 with refitted busines
202 SKAirbus : Aren't SAS going to refit their economy and premium economy cabins on the A330/A340 fleets? The seats are all getting on a bit now... 2001/2002?
203 Post contains links EBGflyer : Yes, 7 current A330/A340 are going to be upgraded. http://www.sas.dk/en/SAS-Global/12-new-planes/
204 Someone83 : The current seats are from 2005ish, the original ones delivered in 2001 with the first A340 was more like the old recliner type. Also SAS is starting
205 KiwiRob : Will they have there own lounge?
206 invaders : As posted some days ago, LH is reducing BGO and according to airlineroute the scheudle will be the following: LH870 FRA1550 – 1755BGO 735 27 LH870 F
207 Post contains links invaders : BMI regional continues its expansion in Norway with the addition of Stavanger-Gothenburg and Stavanger-Kristiansund " Ruten Stavanger - Göteborg vil
208 Post contains images SKAirbus : Ingen grunn til å oversette! Norsk er et verdensspråk, gitt Great news about BMI regional though!! I guess the regional offerings from SVG especial
209 invaders : Well here it is: Flights will depart Stavanger at 1450, arriving in Gothenburg 1555, departing Gothenburg 2120 and arriving in Stavanger at 2230, Sun
210 Someone83 : Although their full summer 2014 program is expected to be released the coming Monday, SAS announced several new routes this week: From OSL: EDI - Seas
211 invaders : Sime minor route-news. Ryanair have canceled Aarhus-Las Palmas after 3 weeks of operation, with the last flight departing 16 january. Easyjet is cance
212 Someone83 : SAS will begin twice daily CPH-Linkoping from March 30, using ATR-72-600 operated by JetTime AFAIK last time they fle this route was with Fokker-50 an
213 Post contains links invaders : Indeed, 9H-SEA was ferried to ARN earlyer today and will operate DY7205 tomorrow. More on the delayed delivere of EI-LNC here: http://www.check-in.dk
214 WesternFlyer : Air France have announced a launch of SVG-CDG, twice daily from march 31th. Can't find any links regarding this in english at the moment but this is t
215 Post contains links invaders : http://corporate.airfrance.com/en/pr...-air-france-destination-in-norway/ This route has been rumoured for some months now, http://www.boarding.no/art
216 Someone83 : AFAIK SAS still plan to fly SVG-CDG next summer as well, although they might change their mind now Norwegian gave up SVG-ORY several years ago
217 invaders : Yes, I was just a bit unclear. It was in their(SK) summer-program ending a bit over a month ago. When the route first opened they looked into year ro
218 prebennorholm : CPH-FLL will be Norwegian's first TATL route out of CPH, starting next Friday. Danish press - including TV - has in that relation issued a couple of
219 Post contains images B747forever : Wideroe's webpage is down. I wonder why
220 Post contains links WesternFlyer : I guess this link will provide some insight into what happened over the last couple of hours. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/milea...0-ua-ewr-europe-
221 B747forever : Correct. Got some nice deals thanks to Wideroe. Just waiting for my final LAX-SYD tickets to get ticketed.
222 invaders : I guess its correctly assumed, if they can get this route off without any major incidents it would be a good start. I wonder how much Boeing have com
223 bjorn14 : Does Bromma (BMA) have passport/immigration control?
224 invaders : Norwegian have cancelled AAL-OSL from JAN 19. Happens as SK anounces the same route from next years. The route lasted less then a year having been ope
225 invaders : More new "summer-routes" have been anounced by SK. BLL-BGO + BGO-GZP. More routes have also been anounced from kastrup, including PISA, Napoli, Montpe
226 Someone83 : Total overview of the new routes announced today. Most are oprated 1-2 x weekly. In addition comes the routes announced last week New routes from Swe
227 Post contains images Tristarsteve : Usually in the summer holiday season there are SAS aircraft parked up at ARN, Domestic flying is cut heavily, and the crews go on summer vacation. No
228 Someone83 : JetTime will today take delivery of their second ATR-72-600 to be operated in full SAS livery for SAS. Like the first aircraft, this one will as well
229 Someone83 : Same at OSL and CPH, and is why SAS has introduced all these leisure routes during the summer holidays this year and next year SAS seems to be adding
230 invaders : Some more route-news: DY will cancel BGO-AES from January 2014. They have also decided not to fly TRF-EVE S14. BGO-AES have been served Fridays and Su
231 Post contains images g2scandinavia : First off all, DY's new domestic capacity to/from OSL will bring over 100.000pax pr month from april. Two reasons. 1. Slots handback open for one mor
232 invaders : Doh, completely forgot the domestic expansion. Thanks for the clarification.
233 Someone83 : DAT has decided to sell its two Dash-8-100 and will not participate in bidding for Norwegian PSO routes when they are due for renewal in 2016
234 invaders : Earlyer today I flew on SE-DOR from OSL to SVG. Have SAS transferred some 736 under swedish "production" to Norway as the 734 and 735 have been taken
235 Someone83 : Yes, but not necessary due to -500s taken out of service, as some "Norwegian" -600s has gone to Swedish production. All 120 seats -600s are now based
236 invaders : Ok thanks for the info, I was just assuming that this might be the case since this aircrafts next flight was the SVG-BGO-TRD run wich traditionally h
237 SKAirbus : Out of interest, does anyone have a list of which aircraft are based at which SAS hub?
238 Someone83 : OSL/Norway 737-400: 1 - LN-BRE 737-500: 1 - LN-BRH 737-600: 11 - LN-RPE/RPS/RPT/RRC/RRD/RPX/RPZ/RRX/OY-KKS/SE-DOR/DNX 737-700: 17 - LN-RNO/RPK/RRN/TU
239 Post contains links and images invaders : I was checking the forum flyprat and this guy seems to know: http://forum.flyprat.no/showpost.php?p=897041&postcount=44 Edit: I just realised tha
240 jox : Which of those have WiFi onboard? And what is the status of that service?
241 invaders : Cant tell you wich, but I do know that SK was not satisfied with the product when they originally installed WIFI in some of their planes. Some other
242 Someone83 : 10 of the older -800s mainly or all based at OSL SAS has put Wifi installations on hold waiting for better technology and solutions.....and to save o
243 g2scandinavia : Since its allready out on several sites and threads, this are the details regarding EK S14 Emirates DXB - BRU starting 01/08/2014 Daily 77W STA: 1205
244 Post contains images SKAirbus : Straight in with a 77W! Wow! Congrats OSL and EK
245 Someone83 : Good cargo capacity for salmon then
246 g2scandinavia : So lets hope OSL will Reach out for EK now that they have aquired slots. So far they have been lucky with a rappid expantion based on DY and SK growt
247 Post contains links ThunderboltDrgn : Apparently a smaller Bizjet has done a runway excursion at Arlanda according to Aftonbladet: http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article17924812.ab
248 EBGflyer : Congrats to OSL and great with more flights to Scandinavia. The schedule is similar to the other Scandinavian capitals, which I actually find not ver
249 invaders : As part of the opening of a base at BCN Norwegian will start BCN-TRF with 2 weekly flights starting april the 3rd next year. Ryanair. Norwegian will a
250 arn777 : A friend of mine was lucky to attend a dinner hosted by a Norwegian aviation forum and Singapore Airlines’ Norwegian Country Manager the other night
251 Tristarsteve : BA 778/9 to ARN arr 1405 dep 1500 will be operated by B777-200ER on Friday 29 Nov.
252 teme82 : Any info why 772ER?
253 Tristarsteve : The flight should have been an A321 and is quite full. There was a shortage of A321, and an A320 would mean leaving customers behind. Then it is Thank
254 SKAirbus : [quote=Tristarsteve,reply=253] Can the passenger bridges at Terminal 2 even fit the 772? They barely fit the 767... They really need to install swingb
255 invaders : The 3rd longhaul-route for Norwegian has just taken off(on time) from CPH to FLL. Things seems to go a bit smoother for DY and their longhaul-product
256 Tristarsteve : Probably not, we have never asked. When the B787 was here in August, Swedavia offered for it to go on gate 66. But BA in the end said no because ther
257 invaders : LN-NGJ going from RYG to ALC have overrun the runway and Ryanair-flights are diverted to OSL.[Edited 2013-11-30 12:55:54]
258 LN-KGL : Not any runway overrun invaders, but more a bad turn on a taxiway and the nose wheel ending in the grass.
259 invaders : Ok sorry, thats what you get when you read an article on Nettavisen. I do notice that they have corrected the article now later on.
260 LPSHobby : why was the Q400 a disaster?
261 Post contains links SA7700 : This thread will be locked for further discussion due to its length. All posts added after the thread lock will be removed for housekeeping purposes o
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