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Scandinavian Aviation 2013 - Part 3  
User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4312 posts, RR: 6
Posted (6 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 27349 times:
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Due to length of part 2, here is part 3.

Previous thread: Scandinavian Aviation 2013 - Part 2 (by iowaman May 13 2013 in Civil Aviation)

261 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (6 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 27133 times:

LN-RCY, one of SAS 737-800s is currently in the hangar getting a special Disney "Planes" livery nd should be put in traffic shortly.
Some photos can be found here:

http://forum.flyprat.no/showthread.php?p=884700#post884700


User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 27007 times:

Two other SAS-planes are also in the hanger now, OY-KAM and OY-KAT because of problems with windows in the cockpit during two seperate incidents. OY-KAM flying GOT-LHR and OY-KAT flying LHR-CPH. Both planes were previous with IndiGO.

Read more here: http://www.check-in.dk/newselement.c...?nNewsArticleID=81619#.UkGbeiRIu2w


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (6 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 26960 times:

Quoting invaders (Reply 2):
Two other SAS-planes are also in the hanger now, OY-KAM and OY-KAT because of problems with windows in the cockpit during two seperate incidents

Both planes are back in service. A cracked windshield doesn't mean weeks in the hangar.....


User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 26912 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 3):
Both planes are back in service. A cracked windshield doesn't mean weeks in the hangar.....

Misread the article, sorry.   


User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (6 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 26738 times:

Problem's just don't stop for DY. Now the labour-union parat is warning DY that it's not accepting the use of foreign pilots on Norwegian routes. If Norwegian don't meet the demand from Parat it might be a rather shity autumn for Norwegian with 787 problems and to top it up, a strike :P

http://e24.no/boers-og-finans/streik...are-for-norwegian-i-hoest/21615565 Source(only in norwegian).


User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (6 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 26454 times:

Austrian adds OSL-INN from Jan 18 to late march. I thought SK flew this route? But after searching a bit I could not find any winter-sesaonal direct-routes from OSL to INN with SK.

User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (6 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 26440 times:

Quoting invaders (Reply 6):
I thought SK flew this route?

No, but they flew to Salzburg last winter. But that route seems not like coming back. Buut they had some charter flights to INN once a while


User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (6 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 26346 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 7):

No, but they flew to Salzburg last winter. But that route seems not like coming back. Buut they had some charter flights to INN once a while

DY have doubled their frequency from BGO to Salzburg compared to last winter when it was saturday only. Atleast it seems like something is working for them :P


User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 26209 times:

As we all expected   regarding the Scandinavians government wish to sell SAS....

"Prime Minister Helle Thorning-Schmidt's Party Socialdemokraterne are wary of a possible bid for the Danish stake in SAS at the present time.

-For the moment, we believe that it will have to focus on carrying out the plan to save the SAS. That said, the Government is very keen to make sure that the high number of flights from Copenhagen, and the quality of these. Route the quotation strengthens the business and increase employment in both the Copenhagen and the surrounding areas, "said the Danish Parliament Member Jesper Petersen to the E24.


The concern is related to if a foreign owner, for example, a German, will be just as interested in the Danish capital as the hub for the Scandinavian air travel."

Link: http://e24.no/boers-og-finans/danske...er-skeptiske-til-sas-salg/21616751 (Norwegian only.)



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User currently offlineThunderboltDrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 484 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 26149 times:

There is also an article about LH and SK at the local http://www.thelocal.se/50472/20130927/

Quote:
Lufthansa chief executive Christoph Franz said Thursday that his group could consider
making a bid for the Scandinavian airline SAS.

"The chief executive Rickard Gustafson has really done an impressive job. SAS has made
a lot of improvements to the company," he told the Svenska Dagbladet newspaper.

"It means that we could perhaps consider once again whether an acquisition could be possible."

Lufthansa has long been seen as the main contender to acquire the ailing airline.



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User currently offlineLN-KGL From Norway, joined Sep 1999, 961 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (6 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 26115 times:

This sceptesism from the Danish follows a long tradition. For those of you that saw the 1 hour long Danish TV programme about SAS will right away recognize - to have as many as possible employed at Kastrup. What's best for SAS comes in second row.

User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1615 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (6 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 26028 times:

Quoting LN-KGL (Reply 11):
This sceptesism from the Danish follows a long tradition. For those of you that saw the 1 hour long Danish TV programme about SAS will right away recognize - to have as many as possible employed at Kastrup. What's best for SAS comes in second row.

When it comes to SAS, Denmark suffers a bit of an inferiority complex. It is the smallest country geographically with no big domestic network to think of. As such it built itself up as the intercontinental hub, something which probably isn't sustainable with the likes of DY setting up shop at OSL and other bases.

Unfortunately Denmark also has an incredibly hostile union culture. Norway is similar in this respect. Unfortunately it isn't something they can even think about changing with a social democratic lead coalition in government.



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User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 months 3 weeks ago) and read 26003 times:

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 12):
DY setting up shop at OSL and other bases.

They need a working airplane first 


User currently offlineEBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 970 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (6 months 3 weeks ago) and read 25987 times:

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 12):
It is the smallest country geographically

Why look at things in black and white? You forget to mention that the catchment area of CPH in the Øresund-region at the same time is the most populated. Do SIN, DXB & HKG have a strong domestic network? No, but they are certainly strong hubs.



Future flights: CPH-BRU; CPH-NRT-MNL; MNL-PVG-CPH; CPH-LAX
User currently offlineThunderboltDrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 484 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 months 3 weeks ago) and read 25956 times:

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 14):
catchment area of CPH in the Øresund-region at the same time is the most populated.

I disagree with this.

Sure the Öresund is well populated but Stockholm with Uppsala, Mälardalen (biggest cities
are Västerås, Eskilstuna and Södertälje), Örebro Norrköping, Linköping and Gävle,
have a bigger catchment are and bigger population.

All these cities are about 200km or closer to Arlanda and all of then have a
population of about 100'000 or more.


While Öresund have Cph, Malmö. Helsingborg, Lund and Odense within 200km

[Edited 2013-09-27 06:30:35]


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User currently offlineEBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 970 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (6 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 25912 times:

Quoting ThunderboltDrgn (Reply 15):
All these cities are about 200km or closer to Arlanda and all of then have a
population of about 100'000 or more.

I don't know about the numbers, but I think one also has to consider infrastructure. CPH is easy and relatively inexpensive to get to not least because it's part of the local commuter network. Is this the same for ARN?

There are both historal and logistical reasons for CPH being a main hub. Probably none of the 3 capital airports would have been ideal to choose as the main hub only, when you count both the long-haul and the intra-european route networks in. On its own they could probably have done fairly well, but all 3 airports had to be considered in this balancing act.



Future flights: CPH-BRU; CPH-NRT-MNL; MNL-PVG-CPH; CPH-LAX
User currently offlineThunderboltDrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 484 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (6 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 25786 times:

ARN is easy to access via Freeways (on both sides of lake Mälaren), Express trains,
commuter trains, regular buses and airport coaches. For those who choose
to drive there is also several larger long-time parkings around the airport.

Even if the express train is not cheap, crossing the bridge is not particular cheap either.

Within a 2-2,5 hour drive from Stockholm you have more the 1/3 of the 10M people that lives in Sweden.



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User currently offlinejox From Sweden, joined Jan 2003, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 25640 times:
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Quoting ThunderboltDrgn (Reply 17):
ARN is easy to access via Freeways (on both sides of lake Mälaren), Express trains,
commuter trains, regular buses and airport coaches. For those who choose
to drive there is also several larger long-time parkings around the airport.

Don't forget that the long distance trains stops at ARN as well (convenient for those that lives a bit north and northwest of Stockholm).


User currently offlineEBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 970 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 25625 times:

Quoting ThunderboltDrgn (Reply 17):
Within a 2-2,5 hour drive from Stockholm you have more the 1/3 of the 10M people that lives in Sweden.

Within just 2 hours from CPH I'd say you'd have a fair bit more than that. Without Sweden, Zealand+Funen alone has 3 million. Within the 2 hours drive on the Swedish side I'd say you have 1-1.5 million as well.

Check this out:
CPH/UK/B2B/Airlines/Catchment+Area/Catchment+area+size.htm" target="_blank">http://www.cph.dk/CPH/UK/B2B/Airline...hment+Area/Catchment+area+size.htm



Future flights: CPH-BRU; CPH-NRT-MNL; MNL-PVG-CPH; CPH-LAX
User currently offlineairlittoralguy From France, joined Nov 2005, 233 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 25563 times:

Good morning everyone.

I am looking for the schedules of the formerly operated Malmo aviation flights between Malmo and London city (around 1992/1993) as well as their more recent (around 1999 ? ) flights between Stockholm Bromma airport and London city.

If anyone could post here the schedules for these former Malmo aviation flights into London city airport, your help would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.



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User currently offlineThunderboltDrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 484 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 25503 times:

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 19):

Like I said yesterday the population of Kastrups catchment area is
big but Arlandas is just as big or bigger.

Even If you add the 2M population in Göteborg, Skåne and Halland to the 5.5M people living in Denmark
you still don't have a larger population then the rest of Sweden which would about 8m people.

The people of Gothenburg can just as well go to ARN instead of CPH as don't
would need to pay the fee for the HH-ferries or the bridge.

So population wise there isn't any favour for CPH as you seems to think.



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User currently offlineNavigator From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 1144 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 25448 times:

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 16):
I don't know about the numbers, but I think one also has to consider infrastructure. CPH is easy and relatively inexpensive to get to not least because it's part of the local commuter network. Is this the same for ARN?

There are both historal and logistical reasons for CPH being a main hub

I doubt CPH has a future as a hub for Metropolitan Stockholm area. Why would you travel in the air for an hour to get to your main airport. Arlanda is Stockholms main airport with intercontinental connections to Asia, Africa and the US, Whats this talk about CPH? CPH is Copenhagens airport and Bromma and Arlanda serve Stockholm. Nothing to do with CPH. You can as easily connect with Emirates in Dubai going east instead. CPH:s importance as a hub in Scandinavia is getting smaller as OSL and ARN gets thier fair share of nonstops. That progress will continue.



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User currently offlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1401 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 25316 times:

Does anyone have an inside view on how SAS's new Humberside to Copenhagen route is selling?

Kind regards

HUYfan


User currently offlineThunderboltDrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 484 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 months 2 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 25241 times:

Quoting Navigator (Reply 22):
You can as easily connect with Emirates in Dubai going east instead.

Or with TG in BKK or AY in HEL or the with Air China in Beijing.

I also agree with what you say about wasting an hour by going on a plane in the wrong direction.



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User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (6 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 25308 times:

Quoting ThunderboltDrgn (Reply 21):
The people of Gothenburg can just as well go to ARN instead of CPH

I live close to Gothenburg and i take ARN 10 times out of 10 when i am flying... if i can get a nonstop flight... most of my friends do.



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User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 24996 times:

Now it seems that Norwegian air will not pay out refunds to passengers who have been delayed because of the dreamliner problems ... even though they were promised 600 €

We don't know yet how we're going to do with all these delays and it is an unusually large number of persons concerned. So we may have to act differently, but I do not know yet. They keep on investigating internally. says Communications Manager Charlotte Holmbergh j.




http://www.aftonbladet.se/resa/flyg/article17569541.ab (Swedish only)



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User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 25220 times:

Speaking about hubs, I knew that Hamburg is a new hub for U2 but I did not know it was in competition with CPH.

What it is this CPH GO? Is it the same stuff as for example DY uses at AMS?

Source: http://www.check-in.dk/newselement.c...?nNewsArticleID=81857#.UkmrpiRIu2w


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 3
Reply 28, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 25068 times:

Quoting invaders (Reply 27):


What it is this CPH GO? Is it the same stuff as for example DY uses at AMS?

Yes, it is the rather remote pier F (Gate F1-10) which lies to the far east of the terminal. Consider U2 uses T2 for check in means it is a long walk out to the middle of nowhere.


User currently offlineLN-KGL From Norway, joined Sep 1999, 961 posts, RR: 4
Reply 29, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 24975 times:

invanders, you seems to be struggling with some important expressions, like what is the difference between a hub and a base.

Let's start with the easiest, what is a base: Many of the low cost carriers like Ryanair and easyJet only fly point to point and don't offer transfer. To organize this type of airline you need bases where you assigned a fixed number of aircraft with a necessary number of based crews to fly out of this base. What's typical for such a base is a morning rush and the next you see all based aircraft together again will be during evening/night. If you as a passenger want to transfer from one flight to another at such a base, you need to claim your luggage on arrival and again check in for the next flight. You have to cover for the risks if you want to transfer.

Now to what characterize a hub. First of all, it's the airline that decides to place a hub at a certain airport, not the other way aound. Even CPH itself struggle to understand this since they are talking about themselves as a World Class Hub. Today only two airline groups have hub operation at CPH and they are the SAS Group (SK, KF and WF) and Norwegian (DY/NAX and from November DU/NLH). Since there are also a number of other Star Alliance airlines flying in, CPH may also be characterized as a Star Alliance hub as long as SAS offers to fly passengers to and from its "home market". CPH isn't alone being a Star Alliance hub in Scandinavia, at both ARN and OSL there is the same type of operation. At one time CPH was what today is called a fortress hub. At the turn of the century 47% of the passengers at CPH were transfer/transit passengers and 12 years later it's only 24%. That tells a lot how important CPH once was for Scandinavia, or let me rephrase it - how important Scandinavia once was for CPH. In the Danish TV programme about SAS that was aired a few weeks ago it was even claimed that the Danish CAA would not allow SAS to fly twin engined aircraft (B767) on long haul because that could weaken the Danish hub (aka CPH).

Much has changed the last decades, or let me rephrase this too and say the last decade with the upstart Norwegian being the only Scandinavian airline with a real passenger growth (18.6 million passengers growth in 10 years and now Norwegian is close to 77% of SAS). SAS at CPH has found many of its IC passengers in the backyard of Lufthansa and I suspect they want them back if they buy SAS. With all this in mind I don't see a great future for CPH being a important IC hub for Lufthansa Scandinavia.


User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 24922 times:

Quoting LN-KGL (Reply 29):

Thats great, professor.. I stand corrected


User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1615 posts, RR: 2
Reply 31, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 24855 times:

Quoting SAS A340 (Reply 26):
Now it seems that Norwegian air will not pay out refunds to passengers who have been delayed because of the dreamliner problems ... even though they were promised 600 €We don't know yet how we're going to do with all these delays and it is an unusually large number of persons concerned. So we may have to act differently, but I do not know yet. They keep on investigating internally. says Communications Manager Charlotte Holmbergh j.

As Norwegian fly to and from the EU (Sweden) and an EEA country (Norway) with their Dreamliners, surely they are subject to the same rules as every other carrier with regards to compensation??? They can't deny passengers especially if the delay caused significant disruption to the passengers involved.

It seems like they are employing Ryanair tactics, in the hope that the passengers are stupid enough to go with it.



Next Flights: LHR-LBA (319-SK), MAN-ARN (736-SK), ARN-LHR (763-BA), LHR-CPH (CR9-SK), CPH-LHR (320-SK), LHR-IAH (744-BA)
User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 3
Reply 32, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 24513 times:

SAS has decided to donate one of their last MD-80s to the SAS Museum at OSL. The museum have together with OSL decide how it can be parked in connection with the museum

User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1615 posts, RR: 2
Reply 33, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 24339 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 32):
SAS has decided to donate one of their last MD-80s to the SAS Museum at OSL. The museum have together with OSL decide how it can be parked in connection with the museum

That is such a wonderful gift although you'd think SAS would prefer to have the money for scrapping etc. Then again it is the end of an era, that started with the DC9 in the 1960s so definitely worth enshrining that... I just hope OSL find a place for it! Would be nice for them to start a collection of aircraft like MUC and MAN have. Maybe they can source an old 737-200 and paint it in the old Braathens S.A.F.E colour scheme?



Next Flights: LHR-LBA (319-SK), MAN-ARN (736-SK), ARN-LHR (763-BA), LHR-CPH (CR9-SK), CPH-LHR (320-SK), LHR-IAH (744-BA)
User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 3
Reply 34, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 24255 times:

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 33):
Maybe they can source an old 737-200 and paint it in the old Braathens S.A.F.E colour scheme?

Consider it is a SAS-museum, very unlikely. Also, where the museeum is, there is limited space without blocking too much of the West Air mail cargo ramp area


User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1615 posts, RR: 2
Reply 35, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 24238 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 34):
Consider it is a SAS-museum, very unlikely. Also, where the museeum is, there is limited space without blocking too much of the West Air mail cargo ramp area

True...

Well Braathens is a part of SAS' history... Even though it was, at the time, a competitor.



Next Flights: LHR-LBA (319-SK), MAN-ARN (736-SK), ARN-LHR (763-BA), LHR-CPH (CR9-SK), CPH-LHR (320-SK), LHR-IAH (744-BA)
User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 3
Reply 36, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 24165 times:

SAS has announced their order for 4 A330-300 and 8 A350-900 (+6 options) has been firmed with Airbus

User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 16994 posts, RR: 10
Reply 37, posted (6 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 24013 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 36):

SAS has announced their order for 4 A330-300 and 8 A350-900 (+6 options) has been firmed with Airbus


Were there ever any doubts about the order? I thought it was a done deal when they announced it the first time.



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User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3700 posts, RR: 1
Reply 38, posted (6 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 23950 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 37):
Were there ever any doubts about the order? I thought it was a done deal when they announced it the first time.

The difference is that, now the contract is SIGNED


User currently offlineprebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6285 posts, RR: 54
Reply 39, posted (6 months 2 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 23780 times:

Quoting LN-KGL (Reply 29):
At the turn of the century 47% of the passengers at CPH were transfer/transit passengers and 12 years later it's only 24%. That tells a lot how important CPH once was for Scandinavia...

It probably tells more about how important CPH once was for Denmark.

But then the Great Belt Bridge was opened, and Danish domestic air traffic consequently collapsed. Half of the Danish population, living west of the bridge, now mostly take the train to/from CPH, and a train/airline transfer doesn't count as a transfer.

And probably more important, those same people suffered a dramatic decrease of domestic frequencies. That made the western half of Denmark far more interesting for "foreign" airlines. So now that half of Denmark has partly forgotten that there once was a hub named CPH. They rather use AMS, CDG, FRA, MUC or they take the train or own car to HAM.

Even going to the USA it is often more convenient to go BLL-KEF.... since Icelandair from KEF serves more destinations in the USA than any of the Scandinavian hubs can offer.

The SAS Q400 troubles did a lot to speed up that process. Not the crashes, but their terrible dispatch reliability during their first few years. Countless western Danish pax got stuck at CPH when a 30 minutes domestic flight on a Q400 was a few hours late so they couldn't transfer according to plan at CPH.

CPH has simply become more a southern Swedish, and less a Danish airport over that time frame.



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User currently offlineLN-KGL From Norway, joined Sep 1999, 961 posts, RR: 4
Reply 40, posted (6 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 23689 times:

But this decline in domestic market share only counts for less than 3 percentage points of the 23 percentage points decline in transfer prebenholm.

User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 533 posts, RR: 1
Reply 41, posted (6 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 23603 times:

Norwegian to boost service out of OSL on domestic services.
A total of 22 new daily flights in and out of OSL.
This will boost capacity by 100.000 seats montly.



From 31MAR14

Oslo - Bergen : From 13 to 15 daily (60 daily flights total DY/SK)

Oslo - Trondheim : From 13 to 15

Oslo - Stavanger : From 11 to 13

Oslo – Alta : From 1 to 2

Oslo – Evenes : From 4 til 5

Oslo – Molde : From 3 to 4

Oslo – Tromsø : From 5 to 6

Oslo – Ålesund : From 4 til 5


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 3
Reply 42, posted (6 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 23493 times:

OY-KAW, SAS 10th A320 is planned delivered to CPH today and should shortly be placed in traffic. This is an ex-Kingfisher aircraft, unlike the previous nine where 2 have been ex-Spanair (owned by SAS) and 7 ex-Indigo

User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 16994 posts, RR: 10
Reply 43, posted (6 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 23378 times:

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 38):
The difference is that, now the contract is SIGNED

Thought it was already done when they announced the order the first time. Oh, well guess it doesnt make any difference.



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User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (6 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 23380 times:

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 41):
Norwegian to boost service out of OSL on domestic services.

I thought DY said that they are going to reduce domestic services because of the Eurobonus :P

I do wonder if Easyjet is going to increase its services on BGO. BGO-LGW on U2 will be reduced from 7 to 5 weekly for a period, but I do feel that 5 daily departures to LON(BA,DY,U2) on some weekdays is a bit too much anyway.


User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3700 posts, RR: 1
Reply 45, posted (6 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 23296 times:

Norwegian Reports Continued Passenger Growth in September

The airline carried 1,920,329 passengers in September, an increase of 272,627 passengers (17 percent) compared to September 2012. The total capacity (ASK) increased by 33 percent and the passenger traffic (RPK) increased by 30 percent. The load factor was 78.3 percent, down 1.7 percentage point from the same month last year.

Read more here:

http://media.norwegian.com/en/#/pres...ssenger-growth-in-september-913283


User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 3
Reply 46, posted (6 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 22993 times:

Photo of hte first JetTime ATR-72-600 in SAS colours which will be delivered to JetTime this month and used on minor routes from ARN and CPH

http://www.planepictures.net/netshow.php?id=1252518


User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1615 posts, RR: 2
Reply 47, posted (6 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 22841 times:

Quoting someone83 (Reply 46):
Photo of hte first JetTime ATR-72-600 in SAS colours which will be delivered to JetTime this month and used on minor routes from ARN and CPH

Nice looking bird!

Do we know what routes they will be operating on?



Next Flights: LHR-LBA (319-SK), MAN-ARN (736-SK), ARN-LHR (763-BA), LHR-CPH (CR9-SK), CPH-LHR (320-SK), LHR-IAH (744-BA)
User currently offlinesomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 3
Reply 48, posted (6 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 22803 times:

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 47):
Do we know what routes they will be operating on?

Those operated by Golden Air from ARN today. So Kalmar, Sundvall, Turku, Vaasa, Tampere and Oulo.

So far SAS har signed contract for six ATRs with JetTime, with the first two being based at ARN starting this October, while the two next ones are coming next spring, and AFAIK will be CPH based


User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1615 posts, RR: 2
Reply 49, posted (6 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 22782 times:

Quoting someone83 (Reply 48):
Those operated by Golden Air from ARN today. So Kalmar, Sundvall, Turku, Vaasa, Tampere and Oulo.

Brilliant. Thanks!

Sundsvall has a modern terminal building with air bridges even but the airport just seems to be completely underutilised. Even Skellefteå has more passengers nowadays. I guess the advent of high speed rail has helped there...



Next Flights: LHR-LBA (319-SK), MAN-ARN (736-SK), ARN-LHR (763-BA), LHR-CPH (CR9-SK), CPH-LHR (320-SK), LHR-IAH (744-BA)
User currently offlineThunderboltDrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 484 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (6 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 22756 times:

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 49):
Sundsvall has a modern terminal building with air bridges even
but the airport just seems to be completely underutilised

I think it to some extent depends on that since Sundsvall is only some 3½ hour away by train
from Stockholm, means that the overall time gain by flying isn't really that big.
'Maybe two hours at the most.

Skellefteå on the other hand is much further north and will take approx 12 hours
by public transport (non aviation) from Stockholm which means that flying is a
much easier and fast way of getting there.



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User currently offlinebagmanlgw From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2006, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (6 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 22380 times:

More DY expansion at Gatwick seems very likely / imminent

Rumour at Gatwick is up to 8 aircraft based for Summer 2014 , up from 4 this winter

They seem to be doing very well indeed , holding their own against Easy jet and Monarch in particular

The transfer product through Gatwick seems to have gone through the roof on certain routes with up to 90 pax connecting onto LGW - ALC / AGP / LPA / BCN / FAO / TFS especially from HEL and BGO and with some degree OSL

What new destinations does anybody think will be served from Gatwick on the new Summer 2014 schedule allowing for growth from LGW and connecting traffic from Scandinavia

Greece and Turkey must be in their thinking as both are under served from Scandinavia with DY , but have heavy passengers numbers from the UK


User currently offlineMillwallSean From Singapore, joined Apr 2008, 1214 posts, RR: 6
Reply 52, posted (6 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 22335 times:

In regards to Sundsvall and the drastic shift in passenger volumes that has taken place in Sweden, thunderboltdragn attached a very good link in the Bromma thread.
http://publikationswebbutik.vv.se/up...s_for_svenska_flygplatser_2030.pdf

The cities that got High speed trains and a real motorway to Stockholm has seen passengervolumes plummet. Often with as much as 75-80%.
There was a time when there were daily shuttle between ARN-GOT and when the route was larger than Madrid-Barcelona. High speed train has sorted that out.

I think this is what Norway will see when its infrastructure catches up eventually. Oslo-Trondheim for example is extremely busy airroute where the terrain allows a high speed rail to be built. With a good high speed rail its likely to go see the same development as Sundsvall-ARN has done and in a few years tme be down to a few ATRs a day.
It would free up alot of slots at Oslo.

The Q400 debacle has now seen a new chapter written. SK has always liked the idea of a small properller to connect airports in Sweden and Denmark. After the disaster called Q400 this hasnt been easy but they have now decided that the ATR might do what the Q400 couldnt. Bombardier as a supplier to SK again seems rather unlikely.

I think the ATR is made for the finnish routes out of ARN. ARN has natural connections with Finland and the finnish economy something CPH lacks. Flying to secondary Finnish cities from ARN is a natural fit when you have a small plane like the ATR.



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User currently offlineCPHFF From Sweden, joined Aug 2011, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 53, posted (6 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 22283 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 37):
Were there ever any doubts about the order?

No doubts about the order itself, rather the financing. It's still a risk to finance/lease aircraft to SAS (like many other carriers in financial difficulties)

The planes are already listed in Scanorama Magazine, on the "Our Fleet" page. Funny. Will be a few years until they fly...



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 16994 posts, RR: 10
Reply 54, posted (6 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 22174 times:

Quoting CPHFF (Reply 53):
The planes are already listed in Scanorama Magazine, on the "Our Fleet" page. Funny. Will be a few years until they fly...

SAS cant wait until they get their new toys  



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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 3
Reply 55, posted (6 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 22110 times:

September traffic numbers:

CPH: 2.198.245 +3,5%
OSL: 2 124 305 +4,2%
ARN: 1 898 415 +7,1%


User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 56, posted (6 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 22035 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 56):
September traffic numbers:

CPH: 2.198.245 +3,5%
OSL: 2 124 305 +4,2%
ARN: 1 898 415 +7,1%
ARN growing the fastest of the three even this month and CPH is growing slowest, it seems ....
Fixed comparing with last month's figures presented above it is only ARN and OSL which have increased passenger growth,while CPH actually has a drop in number of passengers.

[Edited 2013-10-10 11:24:42]


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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 3
Reply 57, posted (6 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 21956 times:

Quoting SAS A340 (Reply 57):
Fixed comparing with last month's figures presented above it is only ARN and OSL which have increased passenger growth,while CPH actually has a drop in number of passengers.

You can't compare one month with a different as all airports have quite a variation in the monthly traffic. OSL has in certain mo th been larger than CPH, but this is due to each airport has different seasonal fluctuations


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 16994 posts, RR: 10
Reply 58, posted (6 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 21899 times:

After 10 years absence Luxair will restart their LUX-ARN route on March 30 2014. Will be operated four times weekly with their ERJ145s

http://www.swedavia.se/arlanda/om-st...ater-pa-stockholm-arlanda-airport/ (in Swedish)



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User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 533 posts, RR: 1
Reply 59, posted (6 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 21724 times:

Quoting SAS A340 (Reply 57):
ARN growing the fastest of the three even this month and CPH is growing slowest, it seems ....
Fixed comparing with last month's figures presented above it is only ARN and OSL which have increased passenger growth,while CPH actually has a drop in number of passengers.

For OSL and ARN to lead ahead on the growth is nothing else but impressive given the huge gap up to CPH and their effort to gain new services. CPH where recently and well deserved, given the price at World Routes Las Vegas for being the worlds best airport in attracting new carriers.
The number of new services and carriers each year is in another division than it’s Nordic counterparts. Still CPH has not for the last 10 years been able to catch up with OSL’s growth, despite the constant stimulation of new markets.
OSL is full in peak, meaning that no airline have been able to establish bases or increase their presence during morning and afternoon peak. No new carriers will base aircrafts or open services until they are able to compete for the attractive passengers. Many airlines such as Easyjet are just waiting for attractive slots to be freed up.
The Norwegian Customs have since the opening of the airport, made passengers re-check-in from international to domestic routes through OSL. Avinor and OSL have calculated 2 million new pax to travel through OSL each year, once a direct transfer solution with custom clearance is up and running. This seems to gain political approvement next year and will most definitely boost the number of transfer pax pr year.
If there where a “worst airport marketing award” at Routes Las Vegas, OSL would without doubt be the winner. The airport hardly has an international profile and the effort and resources put into it’s a decrease, nothing less. Yet the airport grows faster than any other competitor, has a higher turnover and fills the media with news related articles about expansion, growth beyond expectations and such. Few if none brings a debate of what’s behind the growth. The one who knows the inside know what I’m talking about.
Although I’m married to a Swede and have a grandmother in Denmark, it’s easy to se around the world when I travel that Scandinavia mostly are presented with stunning pictures of the nature of Norway. That’s a shame but is at the same time a recognition of where the largest attractions in Scandinavia are to be found. Sweden and Denmark has a lot to offer and are better than Innovation Norway to present their country, but the recognition is truly to se that most of the posters and pictures are from Norway and presented as the highlight’s of Scandinavia as a destination. Norway wins international prices and recognitions year after year but is not able to bring the attention into incoming tourism. With a new government entering the parliament, expectations are high to do something with the way Norway arrange their effort to attract new carriers and organizes their truism boards.
Similar development is now seen in Sweden and Stockholm where Swedavia now are starting up a rout development found based on the CPH model. Stockholm is no doubt the capital of Scandinavia and have an appeal that really concurs more truism every year. Sweden has sex appeal all over the world and their potential is far beyond their current flows. Not to say the low number of international connections in deep contrast to the size of the economy and Stockholm as the industrial and financial center of the Nordic.

The point is that when CPH works to gain more passengers, they are squeezing the lime harder as most of the juice as described above, is already out of the fruit. As I see it, Stockholm Arlanda have just started the squeeze the lime while OSL has yet to pull it up from the basket.
In other words, Stockholm Arlanda and Especially OSL have a lot of unused potentials to increase the growth in the future to come.


User currently offlineicebird757 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 656 posts, RR: 2
Reply 60, posted (6 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 21608 times:

Quoting invaders (Reply 27):

Speaking about hubs, I knew that Hamburg is a new hub for U2 but I did not know it was in competition with CPH.

You could have fooled me. I was in HAM 10 days ago and did not see 1 single Easyjet a/c.



LGB....where you can watch the grass grow because the traffic is so slow.
User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 61, posted (6 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 21401 times:

@g2scandinavia: Do you know how OSL

Quoting icebird757 (Reply 61):
You could have fooled me. I was in HAM 10 days ago and did not see 1 single Easyjet a/c.

Its not due to start before the spring next year. As of now its only 6 routes operated by U2 from HAM.

Both U2 and DY have published tickets for their S14 scheudle altough I cant seem to find any change from their S13 scheudle in scandinavia. But I guess that might change once we are out of the winter-darkness. I also do wonder how U2 are doing on the BGO-LGW route, I have flown that route a few times recently and the load was around 80-90% by my estimation.


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 3
Reply 62, posted (6 months 6 days ago) and read 21354 times:

Quoting invaders (Reply 62):
Both U2 and DY have published tickets for their S14 scheudle altough I cant seem to find any change from their S13 scheudle in scandinavia. But I guess that might change once we are out of the winter-darkness. n.

DY is increasing on several domestic NO routes in S14


User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 63, posted (6 months 6 days ago) and read 21317 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 63):
DY is increasing on several domestic NO routes in S14

Sorry I should have written "I cant find any new routes compared to 2013"  


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 3
Reply 64, posted (6 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 21068 times:

Qatar is increasing the cargo capacity at OSL by going up from 2x to 3x weekly from Oct 27.

Monday - A330-200F
Tuesday - 777-200LRF
Thursday - A330-200F


User currently offlinecopenhagenboy From Denmark, joined Sep 2001, 595 posts, RR: 1
Reply 65, posted (6 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 20970 times:

Quoting icebird757 (Reply 61):
Stockholm is no doubt the capital of Scandinavia

How do you define that?


User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 66, posted (6 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 20792 times:

Quoting copenhagenboy (Reply 66):
How do you define that?

"Stockholm-The Capital of Scandinavia" is the region's common brand. The brand can be used by anyone who wants to contribute to the development of Stockholm as a business and tourist destination.

Stockholm is Scandinavia's financial centre with the largest gross regional product and most multinational corporations. There is also one of the world's largest ICT clusters, one of Europe's largest biotechnology cluster and Northern Europe's financial center.

Stockholm is Scandinavia's leading cultural city with a unique range of galleries and museums, an international food culture and a Centre for music production.

Suspect that you could discuss this for ages, but the abnormal from the thread in that case so... back to flying please  



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User currently offlineEBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 970 posts, RR: 0
Reply 67, posted (6 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 20686 times:

Quoting SAS A340 (Reply 67):
"Stockholm-The Capital of Scandinavia" is the region's common brand

And that region is Sweden. It's branding of the Swedes by the Swedes. Nothing to do with the rest of Scandinavia. We can brand whatever we like, but let's keep it real here thx.



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User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 68, posted (6 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 20620 times:

Aaaanyway, back to aviation-topics.

http://www.hegnar.no/bors/article744516.ece

According to Bjørn Kjos, they are looking at an alliance with Jetblue IF they want to team up with someone in USA. There have already been a meeting between the two ceo's but no further discussion have taken place.


User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 69, posted (6 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 20602 times:

Quoting invaders (Reply 69):
According to Bjørn Kjos, they are looking at an alliance with Jetblue IF they want to team up with someone in USA.

Jetblue would probably be fine, then, people can travel further in the United States to a large number of cities and can thus open up for more people to fly with Norwegian that otherwise might not have chosen it.



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6625 posts, RR: 3
Reply 70, posted (6 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 20546 times:

Quoting MillwallSean (Reply 52):
I think this is what Norway will see when its infrastructure catches up eventually. Oslo-Trondheim for example is extremely busy airroute where the terrain allows a high speed rail to be built.

I don't think they will ever build a highspeed rail link between Trondheim and Oslo, especially after the minister of transport stated last year that it won't happen. Even when they were talking about it, it wasn't going to be real high speed 300kph track, but limited to 200/250 kph with multiple stopovers along the way, journey time was going to be at least 3-4 hours, that is not very attractive when the flight is less than an hour.

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 60):
Although I’m married to a Swede and have a grandmother in Denmark, it’s easy to se around the world when I travel that Scandinavia mostly are presented with stunning pictures of the nature of Norway. That’s a shame but is at the same time a recognition of where the largest attractions in Scandinavia are to be found.

The problem Norway has reguarding tourists is it's massively overpriced and apart from seeing fjørds and mountains it has nothing else to offer, you certainly don't come for the food or the world class accommodation, as the food is generally poor quality, unless you get a Swedish waiter the service sucks and the hotels are terrible, there isn't a single hotel in Norway worthy of 4 stars let alone 5. If I was a tourist wanting a Scandinavian city break I'd much rather go to Stockholm or Copenhagen than suffer a weekend in Oslo.


User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 71, posted (6 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 20521 times:

Quoting SAS A340 (Reply 70):
Jetblue would probably be fine, then, people can travel further in the United States to a large number of cities and can thus open up for more people to fly with Norwegian that otherwise might not have chosen it.

Indeed, might also take more customers that would have flown with SAS/UA too, I do find this thought rather interesting. SAS have never shown any interest in flying to more then EWR from Oslo and DY is taking advantage of the fact that customers in Norway want to go from A to B without connecting at ARN or CPH.


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6625 posts, RR: 3
Reply 72, posted (6 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 20502 times:

Quoting invaders (Reply 72):
SAS have never shown any interest in flying to more then EWR from Oslo and DY is taking advantage of the fact that customers in Norway want to go from A to B without connecting at ARN or CPH.

That only makes a difference if you live in Olso, if you live outside Oslo you still have to make the connection at OSL with DY, a lot of cities in Norway have direct flights to ARL and CPH so there's really not a lot of difference. Alternatively there's also KLM which has direct flights to AMS from 7 cities in Norway and a wealth of connections to North America which none of the Scandianvian hubs can offer, it's no wonder KLM is now the third largest carrier of international traffic to and from Norway.


User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 73, posted (6 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 20495 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 73):
That only makes a difference if you live in Olso,

Yes and quite alot of Norways population does.


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6625 posts, RR: 3
Reply 74, posted (6 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 20483 times:

Quoting invaders (Reply 74):
Yes and quite alot of Norways population does.

But 3/4's doesn't.


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 3
Reply 75, posted (6 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 20430 times:

Quoting invaders (Reply 69):
According to Bjørn Kjos, they are looking at an alliance with Jetblue IF they want to team up with someone in USA. There have already been a meeting between the two ceo's but no further discussion have taken place.

Think either Kjos or the Journalist need to learn the difference between alliance and cooperation.

But wouldn't surprise me, at JetBlue co-operates with "everyone"

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 75):
But 3/4's doesn't.

About half of Norway's population lives within 3 hours fro OSL


User currently offlinearn777 From Sweden, joined Jul 2010, 196 posts, RR: 1
Reply 76, posted (6 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 20513 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 71):
The problem Norway has reguarding tourists is it's massively overpriced and apart from seeing fjørds and mountains it has nothing else to offer, you certainly don't come for the food or the world class accommodation, as the food is generally poor quality, unless you get a Swedish waiter the service sucks and the hotels are terrible, there isn't a single hotel in Norway worthy of 4 stars let alone 5. If I was a tourist wanting a Scandinavian city break I'd much rather go to Stockholm or Copenhagen than suffer a weekend in Oslo.

You haven't been to Norway in a while have you... why the constant bitter opinion about Norway and most things related to Noway KiwiRob? The bitterness affects the credibility of your posts.


User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 77, posted (6 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 20448 times:

Quoting arn777 (Reply 77):
You haven't been to Norway in a while have you...

In fact, I think he lives in Norway or did anyway,right?



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User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 78, posted (6 months 4 days ago) and read 20387 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 76):
Think either Kjos or the Journalist need to learn the difference between alliance and cooperation.

Indeed, it was early and I wanted to get the topic back to aviation-related news  

I think Kjos said somewhere(Cant find the source right now, sorry) that he is also looking at how Icelandair is doing things in USA. Quite interesting times ahead for DY.


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6625 posts, RR: 3
Reply 79, posted (6 months 4 days ago) and read 20371 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 76):
About half of Norway's population lives within 3 hours fro OSL

What kind of 3 hours, walking, cycling, train, car or plane? Greater Oslo is about 1.2m, which is about 25% of the population. The coastal cities from Kristiansand, Stavanger, Bergen and further north are far enough away to make flying to OSL the only sensible choice if you want to fly from OSL to international locations, all these cities also have direct flights to CPH, ARN or AMS.

Quoting arn777 (Reply 77):
You haven't been to Norway in a while have you... why the constant bitter opinion about Norway and most things related to Noway KiwiRob? The bitterness affects the credibility of your posts.

I've been living in Norway for the past 7 years, how long have you been living in Norway? So before you poo poo what I have to say prove me wrong; there aren't any 5 star hotels in Norway, the govt found this out when they decided to align Norway's hotel rating system with the European one, they dropped the plan when they realised the situation they would find themselves in.

There are a lot of good things about Norway, OSL is one of them, but as a destination for tourists, you have to be joking or very rich.


User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 80, posted (6 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 20316 times:

Well I wouldnt mind getting this topic back to aviation-related stuff instead of fighting over what part of scandinavia is the most important...

I found the article with Norwegian wanting to copy icelandair http://www.check-in.dk/newselement.c...?nNewsArticleID=82400#.Ulv6nCRIu2w Kjos wants to expand even more to USA and lists up Chicago, Boston, Washington D.C., Las Vegas, Seattle and Minneapolis as possible new routes. From where in Scandinavia is unknown but I guess it is a mix between the three scandinavian capitals.

[Edited 2013-10-14 07:15:04]

User currently offlinearn777 From Sweden, joined Jul 2010, 196 posts, RR: 1
Reply 81, posted (6 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 20269 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 80):
I've been living in Norway for the past 7 years, how long have you been living in Norway? So before you poo poo what I have to say prove me wrong; there aren't any 5 star hotels in Norway, the govt found this out when they decided to align Norway's hotel rating system with the European one, they dropped the plan when they realised the situation they would find themselves in.

I've since 2003.

One hotel is the Thief.

You are completely off regarding this. The problem with the star rating project was that 1) the Govt spent money finding a criterias and system by themselves and instead of using an international comparable existing system, something the hotels were against. 2) star rating is outdated because of Tripadvisors, Hotels.com and other social media. What visitors write about their stay on social media is far more interresting for the hotels than a Govt bureaucracy that need to be followed up.

In addition I travel with work between OSL, ARN, CPH, LHR and ORD living in hotels everyhere and what you tell is so far from my experiences.

Your opinion about Norway is quite similair as my old mans opinon when I decided to move here almost 11 years ago. He understand after a few years he was wrong and that Norway has surpassed their Scandinavian neighbours in most ways the recent years. Spend less time on generalize the country and more time actually live and experience how thing are regardless of how you wants thing to be to fit your opionion and arguments.


User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 82, posted (6 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 20109 times:

Quoting invaders (Reply 81):
Kjos wants to expand even more to USA and lists up Chicago, Boston, Washington D.C., Las Vegas, Seattle and Minneapolis as possible new routes

Las Vegas evokes pleasant memories, it would be nice if Norwegian could start it from ARN
  

Quoting invaders (Reply 81):
Well I wouldnt mind getting this topic back to aviation-related stuff instead of fighting over what part of scandinavia is the most important...

Agree, we may well be agreed that experiences and needs vary among different people, I have for example 3 neighbors from Norway who do not have any plans what so ever to move home again 



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User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 83, posted (6 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 20089 times:

I'll keep the topic on track with more DY-stuff. After all the negativity around SK when they were close to bankruptcy last year I feel that DY is well earned some positive and negative(a bit much lately some would say), but anway.

According to all major newspapers in Norway there might be a huge strike in Norwegian from the pilots 14 days from now if an agreement can't be reached.

As of now only the union-leader have made a comment so I do feel that any conclusion will be extremely biased.

Read more here:

www.dagbladet.no/2013/10/14/nyheter/samferdsel/arbeidsliv/29779721/
or
http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/norge/1.11297265

In norwegian only, sorry.


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 3
Reply 84, posted (6 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 19588 times:

Increases in SAS S14 program:

Denmark
CPH-BRE Double daily service operated by AT7.,Route launched as daily service in W13.
CPH-BER Expanded capacity morning and afternoon peak, operated by A319 / A320
CPH-BIQ Extended season MAY14-SEP14
CPH-SKG Extended season MAY14-SEP14
CPH-PUY Extended season MAY14-SEP14
CPH-MAD Double frequency from D15 to D1356
CPH-PMI Additional weekly frequency from D367 to D1567
CPH-SPU Additional weekly frequency from D6 to D36
CPH-GZP Extended season APR14-OCT14

Norway
OSL-TOS New 10th daily service - peak afternoon from OSL, peak morning from TOS as of S14
OSL-ALF Improved afternoon timetable most weekdays as of S14
OSL-BER Daily operation in S14. DX6 operation launched also partly in W13.
OSL-HEL Product strengthened during JUL14-AUG14
OSL-SPU Additional weekly frequency from D6 to D36
OSL-ATH Extended season APR14-OCT14
OSL-KEF Additional weekly frequency = daily
OSL-GZP Additional weekly frequency from D67 to D267

Sweden
ARN-TKU Expanded capacity to AT7 (70 seats) on majority of flights. Change in effect from W13.
ARN-TMP New fourth daily service
ARN-PUY Extended season MAY14-SEP14
ARN-ATH Additional weekly frequency from D26 to D367
ARN-SKG Extended season APR14-OCT14
ARN-MAD Additional weekly frequency from D15 to D157
GOT-AGP Extended season APR14-OCT14


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6625 posts, RR: 3
Reply 85, posted (6 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 19564 times:

Quoting invaders (Reply 84):
In norwegian only, sorry.

Quite amazing that DY released details of it's pilots salaries. 2m NOK for the highest paid, not bad if you ask me.


User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 86, posted (6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 19487 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 85):
Increases in SAS S14 program:

Interesting, I wonder if they will expand some of the services from BGO operated in S13

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 86):
Quite amazing that DY released details of it's pilots salaries. 2m NOK for the highest paid, not bad if you ask me.

Indeed. A few years back SK did exactly the same when they wanted to re-negatioate the pension-deals with the pilots. Didnt go too well.

Now that the dreamliner-problems are gone a strike for DY will hit them extremely hard. I know that the news might be biased over who claims what so I wont take any side but it will cost DY alot if their pilots go out on a strike.


User currently offlineteme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1399 posts, RR: 0
Reply 87, posted (6 months 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 19455 times:
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Quoting Someone83 (Reply 85):
OSL-HEL Product strengthened during JUL14-AUG14

What it means reality? SK using their own metal instead KF's 717's?



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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 3
Reply 88, posted (6 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 19356 times:

Quoting teme82 (Reply 88):
What it means reality? SK using their own metal instead KF's 717's?

Probably means a smaller reduction during the summer than usual. OSL-HEL for SAS is mainly business, and thus often reduced during the summer months


User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4913 posts, RR: 5
Reply 89, posted (6 months 16 hours ago) and read 19099 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 85):
Denmark
CPH-BRE Double daily service operated by AT7.,Route launched as daily service in W13.
CPH-BER Expanded capacity morning and afternoon peak, operated by A319 / A320
CPH-BIQ Extended season MAY14-SEP14
CPH-SKG Extended season MAY14-SEP14
CPH-PUY Extended season MAY14-SEP14
CPH-MAD Double frequency from D15 to D1356
CPH-PMI Additional weekly frequency from D367 to D1567
CPH-SPU Additional weekly frequency from D6 to D36
CPH-GZP Extended season APR14-OCT14

CPH-HUY (launching later this month) seems to be going from 5xWeek to 6xWeek as well, though with the route not operating at all during holiday periods



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6625 posts, RR: 3
Reply 90, posted (6 months 15 hours ago) and read 19040 times:

Still no direct flights from OSL to Russia on SK metal, I hate the codeshare with Aeroflot, no points and Aeroflot always shove me down the back despite the class of ticket purchased.

User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 3
Reply 91, posted (6 months 7 hours ago) and read 18949 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 91):
Still no direct flights from OSL to Russia on SK metal, I hate the codeshare with Aeroflot, no points and Aeroflot always shove me down the back despite the class of ticket purchased.

They flew OSL-SVO 6x untill this Spring, but the route was cancelled. So it is unlike it will return


User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 92, posted (6 months 7 hours ago) and read 18937 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 92):

They flew OSL-SVO 6x untill this Spring, but the route was cancelled. So it is unlike it will return

Indeed, lasted from March 27, 2011 until this spring. DY also tried from 2007 to 2009 but cancelled the route due to low demand.


User currently offlineDoona From Sweden, joined Feb 2005, 3759 posts, RR: 13
Reply 93, posted (6 months 7 hours ago) and read 18937 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 91):
Aeroflot always shove me down the back despite the class of ticket purchased.

Maybe they just don't like you?      

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User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 533 posts, RR: 1
Reply 94, posted (6 months 7 hours ago) and read 18971 times:

New release from The Muppet Show.

CPH have updated their benchmarking upon ARN and OSL.
CPH/UK/B2B/Airlines/Benchmarks/Nordic+Business+Capital.htm" target="_blank">http://www.cph.dk/CPH/UK/B2B/Airline...hmarks/Nordic+Business+Capital.htm
CPH/UK/B2B/Airlines/Benchmarks/" target="_blank">http://www.cph.dk/CPH/UK/B2B/Airlines/Benchmarks/

Despite several attempts from the press and the mentioned airports, they are refusing to present correct data.
A bit ironic given the statements of CPH saying that they do not see, nor are focused on OSL and ARN as competitors.
Long live true and honest competition


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6625 posts, RR: 3
Reply 95, posted (6 months 6 hours ago) and read 18932 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 92):
They flew OSL-SVO 6x untill this Spring, but the route was cancelled. So it is unlike it will return

No that was the codeshare with Aeroflot, they never used SK metal, you didn't get EB points, without the points I'd rather take the long way via CPH or ARN.

I'm also surprised that SK still fly to SVO, almost all the other Star carriers have moved to DME.


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 3
Reply 96, posted (6 months 5 hours ago) and read 18839 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 96):
No that was the codeshare with Aeroflot, they never used SK metal, you didn't get EB points, without the points I'd rather take the long way via CPH or ARN.

You're wrong, they flew with their own metal. It was started March 2011 with 4x weekly as SK2730/31, usually operated by 737-600. It was increased to 5x weekly summer 2012, before in ceased in March 2013

Quote:

I'm also surprised that SK still fly to SVO, almost all the other Star carriers have moved to DME.

They do this as they codeshare with Aeroflot


User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 97, posted (6 months 4 hours ago) and read 18787 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 97):

You're wrong, they flew with their own metal. It was started March 2011 with 4x weekly as SK2730/31, usually operated by 737-600. It was increased to 5x weekly summer 2012, before in ceased in March 2013

Correct. What happened when SK anounced the route was that SK sold tickets to both their and Aeoroflots flights and vice versa for Aeroflot. And the initial route-info was:

SK2730 OSL1000 – 1420SVO 736 x246
SK2731 SVO1515 – 1550OSL 736 x246

Source; http://www.check-in.dk/newselement.c...?nNewsArticleID=41453#.UmD10CRIu2w


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6625 posts, RR: 3
Reply 98, posted (6 months 4 hours ago) and read 18765 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 97):
You're wrong, they flew with their own metal.

Interesting I've just checked my records, I flew SK2730 2 times in 2011/12, both times were on Aeroflot metal, the other 9 times I went to Moscow, 7 were via CPH or ARL and the other 2 were on LH via FRA. This year I've had 3 flights to Moscow, all via ARN.


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 3
Reply 99, posted (6 months 3 hours ago) and read 18717 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 99):
SK2730

SK2730 has never been a codeshare flightnumber. Sk codeshares are in the SK3xxxx, 5xxxx and 6xxxx range


User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 100, posted (6 months 3 hours ago) and read 18667 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 100):
Sk codeshares are in the SK3xxxx, 5xxxx and 6xxxx range

They are 8xxx and 9xxx too. I've just recently flown the morning departure OSL-RIG wich was booked on sas.no and operated by Air Baltic, it was SK9639.

The codeshare between Oslo and Moscow is SK8712.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 8694 posts, RR: 29
Reply 101, posted (6 months 1 hour ago) and read 18723 times:

SAS-branded ATR 72-600 enters Jet Time fleet:

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...-600-enters-jet-time-fleet-391867/

Delivery flight:
http://www.flightradar24.com/JTG9001

Press release:
http://www.atraircraft.com/newsroom/...ress-releases-details-1234-en.html

[Edited 2013-10-18 05:11:21]


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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 3
Reply 102, posted (5 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 18651 times:

SAS seems to be answering DY increase on OSL-MOL from S14 by increasing from 3x to 4x daily on Tuesday, Wedneday and Thurdays

User currently offlineoykie From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2673 posts, RR: 4
Reply 103, posted (5 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 18299 times:

According to this article the ticket price is down up to 37% in Norway. This will of course hit the buttomline at the airlines. I wonder if this is due to increased competition, or if there is a slowdown in the Norwegian economy or both. Looking at the increases competition domestic summer 2014 it seems that neither SK or DY is cutting capacity to reflect the hit on yield.

http://boarding.no/art.asp?id=55381

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 102):

Looks nice!  



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User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 104, posted (5 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 18255 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 102):
SAS-branded ATR 72-600 enters Jet Time fleet

Interesting that Jet Time operates for both SK and DY in Denmark


User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3929 posts, RR: 34
Reply 105, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 18053 times:

I should be an aircraft spotter.
On the cargo ramp at ARN is an RAF Tristar, and an RAF A330. Nice to see a Tristar again before they disappear.
This afternoon a KLM B777 arrived on diversion, and now a KLM MD11 is due in at 2100 to pick up the passengers.


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 16994 posts, RR: 10
Reply 106, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 18040 times:

Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 106):
This afternoon a KLM B777 arrived on diversion, and now a KLM MD11 is due in at 2100 to pick up the passengers.

I guess a mechanical diversion because of the MD11 subbing. Do you know where the flight originated from and when the 777 landed?



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User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6625 posts, RR: 3
Reply 107, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 17988 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 103):
SAS seems to be answering DY increase on OSL-MOL from S14 by increasing from 3x to 4x daily on Tuesday, Wedneday and Thurdays

And needed too, most flights to/from Molde are full to the brim. I'm still pissed that the last flight which used to be 22.45 was dropped as I get stuck at Gardermoen frequently. I'm loking forward to a direct SK flight to CPH, if the WF flight proves popular SK should jump in.


User currently offlinethunderboltdrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 484 posts, RR: 0
Reply 108, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 17988 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 107):
I guess a mechanical diversion because of the MD11 subbing. Do you know where the flight originated from and when the 777 landed?

It was from Osaka, should be KL 868.

According to Swedish media it was engine problem.

[Edited 2013-10-20 11:41:34]


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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 3
Reply 109, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 17921 times:

Quoting oykie (Reply 104):
According to this article the ticket price is down up to 37% in Norway. This will of course hit the buttomline at the airlines. I wonder if this is due to increased competition, or if there is a slowdown in the Norwegian economy or both. Looking at the increases competition domestic summer 2014 it seems that neither SK or DY is cutting capacity to reflect the hit on yield.

Both companies are reporting falling yield, however I would not take any number from Travelmarket.no serious as they are just trying to sell tickets by presenting cheap airfares


User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1615 posts, RR: 2
Reply 110, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 17916 times:

I saw a Blue 1 717 at Terminal 4 at Arlanda last week. Which domestic routes is it operating?


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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 3
Reply 111, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 17871 times:

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 111):
I saw a Blue 1 717 at Terminal 4 at Arlanda last week. Which domestic routes is it operating?

It could be anyone as Blue1 is operating "all" over SAS network. Even at OSL they are often operating Norwegian domestic routes, as well several European from CPH


User currently offlineicebird757 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 656 posts, RR: 2
Reply 112, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 17723 times:

Quoting invaders (Reply 69):
According to Bjørn Kjos, they are looking at an alliance with Jetblue IF they want to team up with someone in USA. There have already been a meeting between the two ceo's but no further discussion have taken place.

Well seeing DY's expansion at JFK and FLL and possibly BOS down the road, I see an interline possible in the next 6-9 months depending on how things go with DY.



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User currently offlineCPHFF From Sweden, joined Aug 2011, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 113, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 17623 times:

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 111):
I saw a Blue 1 717 at Terminal 4 at Arlanda last week. Which domestic routes is it operating?

Could be any one. I flew MMX-ARN with them earlier this Month. Nice and quiet in row 5  



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User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 3
Reply 114, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 17638 times:

JetTime will take over Cimber ATR operation for SAS from CPH from March 2013, meaning the current ATR-72-200, will be replaced by brand new -600 modells. The aircraft will mainly be used on BLL/AAR, but also desitnations such as BRE

User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 115, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 17634 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 110):
Both companies are reporting falling yield, however I would not take any number from Travelmarket.no serious as they are just trying to sell tickets by presenting cheap airfares

Someone once said "Twist your statistics enough and you will get your desired result". That is what travelmarket.no is doing and of course Dagbladet jumped on the case writing a story without even looking at how the numbers is presented..


User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 533 posts, RR: 1
Reply 116, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 17534 times:

Impressive benchmarking from Qatar Airways OSL's service given the fact that there’s hardly any businesses in and around Oslo 
Quote:
Norge imponerer
Det ble lagt stor vekt på flyets nye businessclass avdeling der selskapet nå tilbyr 22 seter med det ypperste innen innovasjon og Comfort. I følge Qatar Airways er det ikke tilfeldig at man fra det norske markedet velger å fokusere på den fremste delen av kabinen.
- Det norske markedet har imponert oss. Betalingsvilligheten og et sterkt forretningsmarked er noe som fremhever vår rute til Oslo i forhold til de andre skandinaviske rutene, sier Günter Saurwein til Hangar.no.
Han legger ikke skjul på at de har blitt godt tatt imot på Oslo lufthavn.
- Foruten tradisjonelle Leisure-destinasjoner i Asia, er det spesielt Singapore, Shanghai og Hong Kong som utmerker seg i forretningsmarkedet på selskapets rute fra Oslo, legger Saurwein til.
http://www.hangar.no/qatar-vil-se-pa-okning-av-frekvens-til-norge/

Other news from Qatar Norway.
Adjusted schedule with 3 weekly freight flights.
Monday: A330F
Tuesday: B777F
Thursday: A330F

The airline plans a total of 5 weekly freight flights this summer.

Qatar did apply for a double daily service from 31OCT13, but the increase has so far been postponed.
Things could look different from 31 Mar, but slots are not yet out for the S14 season.


User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 117, posted (5 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 17206 times:

SK forced to cancel 22 intercontinental flights because the A340 plane from LAN is delayed until next year. According to check-in.dk. The problems might even continue until march. As of now they have a 767-300 from Omni Air flying CPH-IAH and CPH-EWR.

Why not ask HI-FLY? :P


source: http://www.check-in.dk/newselement.c...?nNewsArticleID=82866#.UmdWliRIu2w


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8604 posts, RR: 5
Reply 118, posted (5 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 17151 times:
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Quoting invaders (Reply 118):
SK forced to cancel 22 intercontinental flights because the A340 plane from LAN is delayed until next year. According to check-in.dk. The problems might even continue until march.

Indeed, CC-CQG http://flic.kr/p/gyKfVt was recently moved to LAN's SCL maintenance facility for reactivation and will be deployed on certain LAN operated routes for the upcoming high season.


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 16994 posts, RR: 10
Reply 119, posted (5 months 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 17141 times:

Quoting invaders (Reply 118):
As of now they have a 767-300 from Omni Air flyingCPH-IAH and CPH-EWR.

I guess you mean CPH-IAD because I cant remember SAS ever announcing IAH.



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User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 120, posted (5 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 17095 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 120):
I guess you mean CPH-IAD because I cant remember SAS ever announcing IAH.

Indeed, I was reading it before I had my morning-coffe. My bad.


User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 533 posts, RR: 1
Reply 121, posted (5 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 17038 times:

Finansavisen presented an interesting development on the LH market from OSL yesterday.
Despite increased capacity to Bangkok and New York, both demand and prices are up on business class tickets compared to last year. The two largest European destinations are on the other hand down.

New York
Q.1 98%
Q.2 106%
Q.3 119%

Bangkok
Q.1 107%
Q.2 109%
Q.3 111%

London
Q.3 93%

Copenhagen
Q.3 87%
(Source VIA travel and Finansavisen issue Tuesday 22OCT13)

VIA travel says in the article that SAS and routes through CPH from have had a decrease in business class prices from Norway for the whole two last years. London suffers also a decrease, but is explained by higher prices last year because of the Olympics. Numbers to New York are also backed up from US statistics with Norway now the second largest market after Sweden in the Nordics measured in arrivals to the US.


User currently offlineCPHFF From Sweden, joined Aug 2011, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 122, posted (5 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 16621 times:

Nowegian Q3 results are official:

http://media.norwegian.com/en/#/pres...er-growth-throughout-europe-921056

I have to say that I'm positively surprised. Especially with all the "dooms-day prophetia" going on in the Nordic press and aviation forums.

Quote:

The pre-tax result (EBT) was 604 MNOK, compared to 873 million in 2012. The costs associated with wet-leasing replacement aircraft for the Dreamliner totalled 101 MNOK, significantly affecting the quarterly results. This amount includes the cost of wet-lease, extra fuel and costs for accommodation, food and drink for delayed passengers. The warm summer weather in northern Europe has also resulted in a slower summer sale than previous years, affecting both Norwegian and other airlines this season.



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User currently offlineCPHFF From Sweden, joined Aug 2011, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 123, posted (5 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 16630 times:

On a totally different subject.

I was landing in BLL on Tuesday. I noticed what looked like quite a large abandoned airfield just South (or South East) of Billund, maybe 20KM's tops. Could't find anything on Google Maps. What's the story?

Thanks.
Per



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User currently offlineTUGMASTER From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Jul 2004, 676 posts, RR: 9
Reply 124, posted (5 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 16587 times:

Quoting CPHFF (Reply 124):
was landing in BLL on Tuesday. I noticed what looked like quite a large abandoned airfield just South (or South East) of Billund, maybe 20KM's tops. Could't find anything on Google Maps. What's the story?

Vojens Airport maybe....?


http://www.airport.haderslev.dk/index.asp?id=3891


User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1615 posts, RR: 2
Reply 125, posted (5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 16571 times:

Hi guys,

I landed into ARN from LHR on the BA 776 on Sunday morning and as we were taxiing off the runway (in an A319) a Royal Air Force Tristar taxiied past towards the active runway.

Also, yesterday afternoon I took the BA 780 from ARN to LHR and when having a drink in SkyCity an RAF transport taxiied past to 19R and took off...

Anyone know why the Tristar was at ARN on those two occassions? Was it flying to Brize Norton?



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User currently offlineTristarSteve From Sweden, joined Nov 2005, 3929 posts, RR: 34
Reply 126, posted (5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 16597 times:

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 126):
Anyone know why the Tristar was at ARN on those two occassions

Can't tell you why, but the RAF are common visitors to ARN. Usually with the A330. But this week a Tristar arrived on Sat 19 together with an A330, and then on the 23rd another Tristar arrived and departed from Brize. The Sat arrival left today back to Brize
Two RAF Tristar at ARN 23 Oct 2013

Sorry about the quality, it was quite misty.


User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1615 posts, RR: 2
Reply 127, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 16605 times:

Quoting TristarSteve (Reply 127):

Sorry about the quality, it was quite misty.

Tusen takk  

Yes, it was very misty yesterday! The cloud base was very low when I departed.

Incidentally the BA 781 took off on time yesterday... Something I've never experienced before! hehe



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User currently offlinelarshjort From Denmark, joined Dec 2007, 1351 posts, RR: 0
Reply 128, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 16612 times:

Quoting CPHFF (Reply 124):
On a totally different subject.

I was landing in BLL on Tuesday. I noticed what looked like quite a large abandoned airfield just South (or South East) of Billund, maybe 20KM's tops. Could't find anything on Google Maps. What's the story?

Thanks.
Per

I am 100% sure you saw the remnants of Flyvestation Vandel. It was an old army flying base, it was shutdown in 2003 when all helicopters were transferred to Helicopter Wing Karup.

Today it is used for different events includeing DHB/Danmarks Hurtigste Bil(Denmarks Fastest Car).
http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flyvestation_Vandel

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User currently offlineSAS A340 From Sweden, joined Jul 2000, 764 posts, RR: 0
Reply 129, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 16459 times:

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 126):
Anyone know why the Tristar was at ARN on those two occassions

I Think that One of them was wrong on a prox switch to the nosegear indication. The second came with spare parts for it.



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User currently offlineprebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6285 posts, RR: 54
Reply 130, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 16301 times:

Quoting CPHFF (Reply 124):
I was landing in BLL on Tuesday. I noticed what looked like quite a large abandoned airfield just South (or South East) of Billund, maybe 20KM's tops. Could't find anything on Google Maps. What's the story?

Sure larshjort is right in his reply #129. It's Vandel AFB. Search only 6 km SSE of BLL and you will easily find it on Google Maps.

In some strange way Vandel AFB was involved in the creation of BLL. The founder and owner of the LEGO factories applied for having his business plane based at Vandel AFB, but the Air Force said no. That made him so angry that he made his own airfield outside the factory door and invited everybody else to use it.

Later his sold it (or maybe donated it) to three surrounding municipalities, which gradually made it into Denmark's second largest airport. The LEGO company biz jet is still based there.

Vandel AFB was made by Luftwaffe as "Fliegerhorst Vejle" during WW2. It was greatly expanded during the 50'es, and during the Cold War it was forward base for five US and British combat squadrons in case of a crisis.

Quite often it was used during military exercices, and sometimes those exercices also made use of BLL. The USAF came with a load of Lockheed C-5 Galaxy transports, which were too heavy for the runway and taxiways at Vandel AFB. They landed at BLL and their heavy cargo was trucked to Vandel AFB.



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User currently offlineCPHFF From Sweden, joined Aug 2011, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 131, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 16235 times:

Quoting prebennorholm (Reply 131):
Sure larshjort is right in his reply #129. It's Vandel AFB. Search only 6 km SSE of BLL and you will easily find it on Google Maps.

Thanks! I did find it on Google Maps, but not the actual name.

Considering it has been closed for 10 years, it looks very intact (at least from the air). Are there any development plans?

Quoting prebennorholm (Reply 131):
That made him so angry that he made his own airfield outside the factory door and invited everybody else to use it.

Well, the priviledge of having money...........



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User currently offlineWesternFlyer From Norway, joined Sep 2010, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 132, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 16023 times:

Rumor has it that Widerøe is announcing som exciting news saturday morning. There will be an article in the newspaper Dagens Næringsliv regarding the matter. Rumor says it's Widerøe ordering a new aircraft type.

User currently offlineprebennorholm From Denmark, joined Mar 2000, 6285 posts, RR: 54
Reply 133, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 15849 times:

Quoting CPHFF (Reply 132):
Considering it has been closed for 10 years, it looks very intact (at least from the air). Are there any development plans?

I haven't heard about any near term plans. It is just one of many abandoned military installlations sitting there and not being much in the way for anything.

As larshjort wrote in reply #129 it is aparrently used as playground for kids and their fast cars.

It will cost a fortune to revert the landscape to Viking Age look, not least to remove the dozens of fighter shelters. And BTW, I think the the military rents some of those shelters to importers of fireworks for celebrating New Year's eve.

Not too far away, 9 years ago, a 1000 tonnes fireworks storage went on fire. Two hours later, when 2000 inhabitants in a nearby village had been evacuated, it exploded, destroyed 75 houses completely, and damaged 300 more to various degree. Since then former fighter shelters on abandoned air bases are practically the only legal way to store any significant quantity of fireworks in this country.

There is zero chance that it will ever become an airfield again. BLL is way too close.



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User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 134, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 15691 times:

Quoting WesternFlyer (Reply 133):
Rumor has it that Widerøe is announcing som exciting news saturday morning. There will be an article in the newspaper Dagens Næringsliv regarding the matter. Rumor says it's Widerøe ordering a new aircraft type.

I guess that its the old -100 and -200 aircrafts they are looking to replace. Some of them are 20 years old.


User currently offlineTeamDA From Norway, joined Mar 2008, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 135, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 15654 times:

Quoting invaders (Reply 135):

I guess that its the old -100 and -200 aircrafts they are looking to replace. Some of them are 20 years old.

Looks like they are going for -400s    
http://forum.flyprat.no/showpost.php?p=892270&postcount=54


User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 136, posted (5 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 15413 times:

Quoting TeamDA (Reply 136):
Looks like they are going for -400s
http://forum.flyprat.no/showpost.php?p=892270&postcount=54

Good one (Litt tørr  ) But thats my humour


On another note, problems just dont stop for Norwegian....

http://www.nrk.no/norge/norwegians-dreamliner-pa-bakken-1.11321162


19 hours delayed, I would have been a bit pissed :P


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6625 posts, RR: 3
Reply 137, posted (5 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 15411 times:

Quoting invaders (Reply 135):

I guess that its the old -100 and -200 aircrafts they are looking to replace. Some of them are 20 years old.

What do you replace them with, there's very little choice and you can't get new ones. Buying more 400's is in significant increase in capacity.


User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 138, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 15142 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 138):
What do you replace them with, there's very little choice and you can't get new ones. Buying more 400's is in significant increase in capacity.

I dont know, for example ATR 46-100 will be too big for both Sogndal and Sandane for example. At some point those oldest 100's and 200's need to be replaced but as you said its very little to choose from.


User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 533 posts, RR: 1
Reply 139, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 15114 times:

Rumours has it that widerøe are in talks with CASA regarding a sivil version of the 295/235.

User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 140, posted (5 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 14981 times:

Quoting g2scandinavia (Reply 140):
Rumours has it that widerøe are in talks with CASA regarding a sivil version of the 295/235.

Could work:






But will it be too heavy for the shortest of the shortest airports?


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 3
Reply 141, posted (5 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 14732 times:

OY-KAU, SAS 11th out of a total of 13 planned A320, was delivered to CPH this weekend. Also this is an ex-Indigo aircraft

User currently offlineg2scandinavia From Norway, joined Jun 2010, 533 posts, RR: 1
Reply 142, posted (5 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 14649 times:

Norwegian continues its expansion in Europe and today announced the opening of a new base of operations in Tenerife. Along with the new crew base, Norwegian expands its Spanish route network by adding more destinations and frequencies.

Malaga – Oslo
Norwegian will operate five weekly flights between Malaga (AGP) and Oslo (OSL) until December 31,2013 – on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays and Sundays. Between February 14 until March 5, there will be six weekly flights. From March 5, there will be seven weekly flights.

Tenerife – Oslo
Norwegian will operate two weekly flights between Tenerife (TFS) and Oslo (OSL).
Sweden

Stockholm – Tenerife
Norwegian will operate three weekly flights between Stockholm (ARN) and Tenerife (TFS) until March 29, 2014 – on Tuesdays, Saturdays and Sundays.

Gothenburg – Tenerife
Norwegian will operate two weekly flights between Gothenburg (GOT) and Tenerife (TFS) until March 25, 2014 – on Tuesdays and Saturdays.
Denmark

Copenhagen – Tenerife
Norwegian will operate three weekly flights between Copenhagen (CPH) and Tenerife (TFS) until March 27, 2014 – on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Sundays.

Norwegian pressrelease


User currently offlineThunderboltDrgn From Sweden, joined Jan 2012, 484 posts, RR: 0
Reply 143, posted (5 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 14611 times:

Örnsköldsvik airport ( OER ) will today try Remote Tower Services which is supposed
to be the first time in Sweden the service is used for "real" in active service.

http://www.svt.se/nyheter/regionalt/...arrstyrd-flygledning-i-skarpt-lage



Like a thunderbolt of lightning the Dragon roars across the sky
User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 3
Reply 144, posted (5 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 14374 times:

FlyNonstop has decleared itself bankrupt and will cease all operations immediatly

User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 16994 posts, RR: 10
Reply 145, posted (5 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 14344 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 145):
FlyNonstop has decleared itself bankrupt and will cease all operations immediatly

Sad that they werent able to make it. There was a good article on them in the Septebmer issue of Airliner World.



Work Hard, Fly Right
User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 146, posted (5 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 14291 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 145):
FlyNonstop has decleared itself bankrupt and will cease all operations immediatly

Not surprising. You get flexible options with WF/SK via CPH and OSL + KLM via AMS. And the marked for O&D is far from big enough to justify all the routes. I remember how much the locals wanted a DY route from STN(back when DY still flew to STN) and when it finally was opened it did not take many months before DY closed the route again. I think the owner should stick to making icecream instead  


User currently offlineCXfirst From Norway, joined Jan 2007, 2927 posts, RR: 1
Reply 147, posted (5 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 14069 times:

Tuesday (or Monday, article is a bit unclear) BMI Regional landed at EVE airport to present their aircraft and their new route from SVG to EVE, which will start on the 23 of January operating 5 times a week.

The aircraft received a water cannon salute, which can be seen in the pic in the article. Looks cold.

I for one am very happy this route will start. I probably won't use it, but have family that will definitely be using it.

http://www.ht.no/incoming/article8529741.ece (unfortunately, article is in Norwegian, but doesn't say much more than what I have said).

-CXfirst



From Norway, live in Australia
User currently offlineSpike11 From Norway, joined Oct 2013, 14 posts, RR: 0
Reply 148, posted (5 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 13918 times:

Quoting CXfirst (Reply 147):
I for one am very happy this route will start. I probably won't use it, but have family that will definitely be using it.

I'd almost like to go to Stavanger before going up north to visit family just to catch this one... 


User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 149, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 13663 times:

How many routes have BMI-regional started(going to start) from/in Norway? I know they just recently started OSL-ABZ, but what else?

User currently offlineLN-KGL From Norway, joined Sep 1999, 961 posts, RR: 4
Reply 150, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 13609 times:

If you look at their "Where we fly" map, ABZ-KSU and SVG-EVE-TOS in addition to ABZ-OSL.

User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 3
Reply 151, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 13446 times:

BMI is closing CPH-EDI as part of their restucturing and closure of the EDI-base.

User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 3
Reply 152, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 13577 times:

Seems like Lufthansa is closing DUS-OSL from 1. Dec, and that Germanwings will not take over the route as planned

User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 153, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 13496 times:

Quoting Someone83 (Reply 152):
Seems like Lufthansa is closing DUS-OSL from 1. Dec, and that Germanwings will not take over the route as planned

That route is well covered by SK in my opinion.

On another note, it does look like a strike in DY is right around the corner. So we have to get ready for some dirt-throwing in the news the next week. I dont know the whole story, but Norwegian do what they think will earn them the most money. On a political note this has been going on in the shipping-industry for a long time with scandinavian labour beeing thrown off the ships and replaced by a cheaper workforce from Asia. If Norwegian labour is so important to the politicians they really need to change the rules so norwegian labour can be saved.


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 3
Reply 154, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 13416 times:

Quoting invaders (Reply 153):
That route is well covered by SK in my opinion.

I largely disagree. Now it will be down to one daily, thus lossing a lot flexibilty, with only the afternoon/evening OSL-DUS-OSL rotation. Although you can say during the day it is OK covered via CPH. With the LH/SK codeshare operating one flight each per day, you basically had a god twice daily options.

With the removal of the morning rotation you also loose the possibility for getting LH's transatlantic flights from DUS, with a vrey short connection in DUS and often low prices was a decent option.

DY closed their OSL-DUS route and changed it to CGN some time ago


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6625 posts, RR: 3
Reply 155, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 13315 times:

Quoting invaders (Reply 153):
On a political note this has been going on in the shipping-industry for a long time with scandinavian labour beeing thrown off the ships and replaced by a cheaper workforce from Asia.

If Norwegian Labour want to continue working they need to get with the program and not expect to be paid as highly as they are. I have a friend who works as a cleaner offshore, he's making 800K nok working 2 weeks on 4 weeks off, those kind of salaries are unsustainable long term.

Then you have idiots calling for Norwegian to pay their Thai crews the same salary as their Norwegian crews, if they were living in Norway then I could see the point of the argument, but they are not.

BTW most Norwegian seamen are now soley working on Norwegian Flagged supply vessels in and around the North Sea, you'll only find Norwegian Officers and Engineers on box ships and tankers these days.


User currently offlineSKAirbus From Norway, joined Oct 2007, 1615 posts, RR: 2
Reply 156, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 13271 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 155):

Then you have idiots calling for Norwegian to pay their Thai crews the same salary as their Norwegian crews, if they were living in Norway then I could see the point of the argument, but they are not.

Although NOK 3,000 a month from which they get hardly any allowances when staying in Oslo (food in Norway is expensive!!) is shocking...



Next Flights: LHR-LBA (319-SK), MAN-ARN (736-SK), ARN-LHR (763-BA), LHR-CPH (CR9-SK), CPH-LHR (320-SK), LHR-IAH (744-BA)
User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 157, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 13256 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 155):
If Norwegian Labour want to continue working they need to get with the program and not expect to be paid as highly as they are. I have a friend who works as a cleaner offshore, he's making 800K nok working 2 weeks on 4 weeks off, those kind of salaries are unsustainable long term.

You need to differ between offshore and onshore. And you are right, those salaries are unsustainable in the long run, just look how much SK had to fight to change past wrong-doings. The avarage salary in Norway is around 450.000(but I suspect that if you correct for offshore-salaries it will be under 400.000).

The basic salary for a thai crew(and spanish crew for that matter) is horrible low, even if Norwegian is saying that its higher then the avarage monthly payment in Thailand. In my opinion you can find statistics on anything to back up your case, even if it might be extremly biased.


User currently offlineMortyman From Norway, joined Aug 2006, 3700 posts, RR: 1
Reply 158, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 13148 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 155):
I have a friend who works as a cleaner offshore, he's making 800K nok working 2 weeks on 4 weeks off, those kind of salaries are unsustainable long term.

Offshore is a special case and yes, the salaries are silly, but the average salarie on shore in Norway is around 450K. Many has far lower than the average pay too. Many have only between 300K and 350K.


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6625 posts, RR: 3
Reply 159, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 13102 times:

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 156):

Although NOK 3,000 a month from which they get hardly any allowances when staying in Oslo (food in Norway is expensive!!) is shocking...

We I'm overnighting in Oslo, I get diettpenger which is around 600 NOK per night, from what I have read they get 800, I can manage on 600.

Quoting invaders (Reply 157):
The avarage salary in Norway is around 450.000(but I suspect that if you correct for offshore-salaries it will be under 400.000).

That's fairly depressing. I can't see how someone living in Oslo could survive with any degree of comfort earning 450,000.

Quoting Mortyman (Reply 158):
Offshore is a special case and yes, the salaries are silly

They sure are and for some industries in Norway if they want to attract people if the same role is available offshore it forces up the salaries onshore companies have to pay.

Quoting invaders (Reply 157):
The basic salary for a thai crew(and spanish crew for that matter) is horrible low, even if Norwegian is saying that its higher then the avarage monthly payment in Thailand.

Where do you draw the line, do you force Norwegian owned shipping companies to pay there Filipino crew the same salaries as Norwegian seamen on supply vessels. Do you force Norske Skog to pay the people working in their New Zealand mill Norwegian wages. The company I work for has factories in Estonia and China, should we pay them the same wages as our Norwegian staff, after all they are doing the same job? No you don't you pay your staff the applicable market rates in the countries they are employed in.


User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 160, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 12979 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 159):
That's fairly depressing. I can't see how someone living in Oslo could survive with any degree of comfort earning 450,000.

That depends, I started out with that salary when I was done with my education and I did get by very well in Oslo.

From what I have read the disagreement is that Norwegian want to remove past agreed collective agreements(tariffavtaler) and move them to a "staffing company" (bemanningsselskap) based in Ireland. But since Norwegian has refused to make any statements whatsoever I can't tell if this is true or not.

I also notice that fagforbundet want a nation-wide boicot of Norwegian, but the same labour-union also want the difference in payment between those with education and those without education to be removed in Norway so you cant really take them serious.


User currently offlineKiwiRob From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 6625 posts, RR: 3
Reply 161, posted (5 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 12760 times:

Quoting invaders (Reply 160):

That depends, I started out with that salary when I was done with my education and I did get by very well in Oslo.

Must have been a while ago, you'd have trouble getting into the property market with that kind of salary. That's why I'm surprised so many refugees what to move to Norway, they must struggle something terrible.


User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 162, posted (5 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 12690 times:

Quoting KiwiRob (Reply 161):

Must have been a while ago, you'd have trouble getting into the property market with that kind of salary. That's why I'm surprised so many refugees what to move to Norway, they must struggle something terrible.

Last year, but I was already in the housing-market prior to moving to Oslo.



Anyyyyway, does anyone know when Norwegian will recive their 3rd "dreamliner"? Isnt the Ft.Lauderdale-route due to be opened at the end of this month?


User currently offlineLN-KGL From Norway, joined Sep 1999, 961 posts, RR: 4
Reply 163, posted (5 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 12586 times:

The schedule for now is: NAX8787 | 22 Nov 13 | PAE-DUB | EI-LNC

LNC after two non starts due to bad weather earlier this week, did take to the air for the first time yesterday (B1).


User currently onlinestarbucks From Netherlands, joined Feb 2013, 595 posts, RR: 5
Reply 164, posted (5 months 2 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 12513 times:

So, I've been interested in the Scandinavian countries for a long time...

Someone would really make me happy if they could help me with finding a contact in the Scandinavian aviation world...   PMs and anonymous are guarantied of course..

I hope someone can help me   



A350 logbook: http://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub?key=0AlVgPnmHLOovdFdzbVlyQzhYNDhCb1VFN1RkYXkwV3c&output=html
User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 165, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 12139 times:

DAT will operate CPH-AAL this winter on behalf of Norwegian starting october 27th.


I wonder what happened with the new WF-planes. Just a PR-jippo?


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 3
Reply 166, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 12076 times:

Quoting invaders (Reply 165):
DAT will operate CPH-AAL this winter on behalf of Norwegian starting october 27th.

Seems to only be two round trips on Saturdays


User currently offlineEBGflyer From Denmark, joined Sep 2006, 970 posts, RR: 0
Reply 167, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 11928 times:

Just a few observations from CPH when I arrived from BKK this morning.

I noticed DY5003 landed right after us. AFAIK this is the non-stop DXB-OSL flight, but is it normal with a fuel-stop in CPH?

DY5003 was scheduled to arrive at 6.00am from DXB, but according to flight status at norwegian.no DY5003 doesn't originate from DXB, but only CPH, with only a 10-minutes delay arriving 7.50am. Is that some way of manipulation with the on-time statistics?

I also noticed a QR 788 parked at a remote gate. How long has it been parked there and what is the issue with this one?

[Edited 2013-11-05 06:45:44]


Future flights: CPH-BRU; CPH-NRT-MNL; MNL-PVG-CPH; CPH-LAX
User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 3
Reply 168, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 11895 times:

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 167):
AFAIK this is the non-stop DXB-OSL flight, but is it normal with a fuel-stop in CPH?

On days with strong headwinds a fuel-stop is not uncommon on this route


User currently offlineinvaders From Norway, joined May 2012, 276 posts, RR: 0
Reply 169, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 11825 times:

Quoting EBGflyer (Reply 167):
I also noticed a QR 788 parked at a remote gate. How long has it been parked there and what is the issue with this one?

It's been there for a while. Read more here: http://www.check-in.dk/newselement.c...?nNewsArticleID=82453#.UnkaPCQ6E2c

On a side note, I was also flying to CPH today, and upon disembarking I noticed a 773 from QR( A7-BAK I belive) was being pushed back.Is it regular that they send 773 now since they might be short on 788?


User currently offlineSomeone83 From Norway, joined Sep 2006, 3173 posts, RR: 3
Reply 170, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 11751 times:

Quoting invaders (Reply 169):
It's been there for a while. Read more here: http://www.check-in.dk/newselement.c...Q6E2c

Can't be that one. A7-BCK which was the one grounded for a few days in CPH a month ago has according to flightaware been flying every day for the last few weeks