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Virgin Blue To Get 757's  
User currently offlineOz777 From Australia, joined Jun 2000, 521 posts, RR: 5
Posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2312 times:

According to a report in the Sydney Morning Herald, the commercial manager for Virgin Blue says they are looking to lease a number of 757's.

Interesting move. They must know where there are a few charter configured 757's available on ACMI leases at short notice.

That would be a pleasant change in the Australian sky.

Oz777

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User currently offlineQantasAirways From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 1273 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2073 times:

Are you sure?
Has the Virgin group ever had 757's?
Correct me if I'm wrong... it was a real big shock.

Maybe Sydney Morning Herald got it wrong??? (Though I doubt very much).
It's just after reading a very long book written by Qantas about their history and current situation, I had to laugh at the caption saying "Qantas Boeing 747-400 Longreach" and the caption was pointing to the Boeing 747-200.

Regards
QantasAirways



Spirit of Australia
User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2779 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2051 times:

now that is a weird move, and also a very big change for their " only 737" policy. Not sure how well equipped their termianls are for such planes either. Doesnt that move mean their operating advantage is eroded ( single plane fleet ).

User currently offlineOz777 From Australia, joined Jun 2000, 521 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2040 times:

Have to agree with both of you. Seems Virgin want to throw some capacity on the trunk routes and stop AN getting up and running again.

The thing that suprised me though was that the report was quite specific in mentioning both aircraft types. Which leads me to think that it has to be ACMI leases on a short to medium term basis.

Oz777


User currently offlineBraniff Place From Australia, joined Sep 2001, 1125 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2022 times:

It would be interesting if there is ever going to be australian 757s to see them in the new dj livery

User currently offlineOz777 From Australia, joined Jun 2000, 521 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2018 times:

Copied across from the HERALD
_______________________________________________

Airlines ready to ditch stranded passengers

By Darren Goodsir, Transport Writer

Virgin Blue is almost certain to withdraw its discount fares for abandoned Ansett passengers after the Federal Government last night helped the failed airline's administrators to get planes back in the air.

Qantas, which ends its free flight offer for travellers today, is also likely to curtail its deals.

Both carriers had agreed to provide free flights, subject to available seats, to passengers stranded in the middle of their journeys - and give discount fares until the end of October to travellers who had booked tickets.

But Virgin Blue's head of commercial, Mr David Huttner, said the Government's support to establish an Ansett Mark II put those plans in jeopardy.

"We have serious concerns about this," he said.

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With capacity to increase with Ansett Mark II, Qantas has stepped up its negotiations with an aircraft leasing firm that wants to take back planes from Ansett.

Barely a day after abandoning a deal to lease 10 jets directly from Ansett, Qantas is sweating on the actual owners of the planes.

Under the plans, Qantas could have 17 aircraft in the sky within weeks.

Virgin Blue will also soon have fresh aircraft, pushing for leasing deals to expand its fleet with up to 10 Boeing 737 and 757 planes.

Qantas last night confirmed it was holding talks with Ansett Worldwide Aviation Services (AWAS) - a leasing company distinct from the airline and owned by investment bank Morgan Stanley Dean Witter - in the hope of striking a deal that would put 40,000 extra seats on clogged routes.

It is also talking to Boeing and Airbus directly over "the purchase and long-term lease of aircraft for its domestic operations".

The chief executive of Qantas, Mr Geoff Dixon, said the airline would "make a firm decision on these aircraft after a detailed assessment of international economic conditions and the overall difficulties in the aviation industry".

Qantas wants up to eight A-320s, six Boeing 767s and three Boeing 737s.

The beauty of the AWAS proposal is that it already has an air operator's certificate and can immediately provide pilots, and cabin crew to Qantas, on
contract.

The deal's fate hinges on hearings in the Federal Court, where Ansett's administrator, Mr Mark Mentha, has already succeeded twice in fending off lessors by having his period of cost-immunity extended. However, leasing firms are certain to protest against any further extensions, because some are paying head-lessors while incurring huge losses to Ansett.

Apart from looking to beef up its fleet with leased aircraft, Qantas is bringing home from international routes bigger planes to provide an extra 18,000 seats a day.

Since Ansett's grounding on September 14, Qantas says it has put on 275 extra domestic flights, and 109 flights using bigger aircraft - carrying for free 45,000 Ansett passengers, with another 40,000 stranded travellers getting discount fares.

Mr Huttner said Virgin Blue wanted to quickly increase the size of its fleet through fresh lease deals.

"But we want to grow at our own pace, at a pace we can sustain," he said.
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There it is , in black and white
OZ777





User currently offlineIndianicWorld From Australia, joined Jun 2001, 2779 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1997 times:

good work there Oz777, atleast we know have th proof.

User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 1993 times:

It's actually the only narrowbody that a Boeing fleeted airline can upgrade to if they need more seats. Beoing has talked of either a further stretched 737 (which would require additional exits), and had once proposed a shorter 757. I really think Boeing need an aircraft to fill the capacity gap between the 737-900 and the 757-200, because really the difference in the max a 737-900 and the baseline 757-200 setup is really quite huge. Airbus, to an extent, has that problem taken care of with the A320 family.

User currently offlineQantas737 From Australia, joined Jul 2000, 738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 1983 times:

Although Virgin Blue has their "one aircraft fleet" policy, it seems that leasing 757s could help out with extra capacity in the short term. Dont forget these will be leased and wont remain in the fleet for long term (as far as i am concerned). 757s operating for an Australian carrier would be a nice change, and it sholdnt be too hard to get hold of some new aircraft with all the cuts that airlines are making around the world.

User currently offlineBNE From Australia, joined Mar 2000, 3169 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1924 times:

The 757s were also mentioned in an article in the Financial Review. Why on earth would they want them, would a 757 be able to do Sydney-Perth without restrictions, if they wanted to do that market.



Why fly non stop when you can connect
User currently offlineFlyinghighboy From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 1919 times:

The 757 would go on truk routes eg MEL-SYD, SYD-BNE and BNE-MEL, if the 757 can't reach perth, I guess the 737-700 would be used for that.

User currently offlineSkystar From Australia, joined Jan 2000, 1363 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 1900 times:

Why wouldn't a 752 be able to do SYD-PER when they do transcontinental runs in the US.

If anything, DJ's 73Gs may need a paper upgrade before they can run SYD-PER, as I believe they're quite derated and have the low MTOW.

Well, if things go well, PER will have it's own "premium economy" airline, Ansett in a week or so.

Cheers,

Justin


User currently offline757man From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 370 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1855 times:

Are some of you saying that the 752 has a problem with range? These aircraft can fly over 4000nm fully loaded. They fly North Atlantic services from Europe to the States all the time. AMS-EWR is flown by a 757-200 of Continental Airlines.

I can assure you that a baseline 757 has quite a bit more range then any 737 in airline service. Please don't fire back the BBJ at me, this is a big Biz jet based upon the 737-700 and is not an airliner.

My only gripe with Virgin Blue operating 757's: Won't turnaround times be longer? The 757 can hold quite a few more PAX than a 737-700.


User currently offline757man From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 370 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 1842 times:

Range of 737-700 with standard payload is 1585nm, although HGW version can fly 3300nm.

Range of 757-200 with RB211-535E4 engines is 2569nm to 3719nm with standard payload.

I think the 757 is the clear winner in terms of range.


User currently offlineSMI From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 1800 times:

virgin did look at 757s last week. now they consider 738 and 739 their best option.

User currently offlineSingapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13735 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 1796 times:

Although this would hinder AN Mark IIs ventures to be a phoenix, it is a wise move from VB. After all, that market needs a plug and who better than Virgin Blue.

At the profits that they have made the last FY, it is only to be expected. Maybe it's the time for them to fulfill their promise of going to Darwin (Northern Territory, Australia).



Anyone can fly, only the best Soar.
User currently offlineQantas737 From Australia, joined Jul 2000, 738 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 1766 times:

Virgin Blue already flys to Darwin......

User currently offlineFlyinghighboy From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 1739 times:

They plan to fly to Darwin I think in March 2002 according to their website. I'm suprised they haven't pushed this forward but i guess there is a lack of aircraft at the moment. Wonder why AN and DJ and QF has so much trouble leasing planes.

User currently offlineSkystar From Australia, joined Jan 2000, 1363 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1717 times:

Well,

Ansett Administrator may have A321s organised if things go well, according to the Sydney Morning Herald.

757man, if what you say is correct, DJ's 73Gs won't be able to make it to PER from SYD, certainly against the winds. This confirms what I suspected from my cockpit rides on DJ.

Cheers,

Justin


User currently offlineAussie_ From Australia, joined Dec 2000, 1766 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1698 times:

I don't think there would be any problem for the 73Gs to fly to PER, particularly the -700s. For example FJ at one stage was about to start ADL-NAN flights (then came the coup!). This would be longer than SYD-PER I guess and even though DJ do have more pax per plane, I would be surprised if the planes couldn't make it.

Anyway, at least before the AN crisis, DJ were going to route all PER flights through ADL, using ADL as a hub for pax from BNE/SYD/MEL. However now they may have ambitions to do the route direct. Pity for Adelaide  Sad

As for 757s, I wonder why? I imagine slots at SYD must be on the cards for DJ (ansett can't keep them for ever - I think they are to be reviewed Dec 1 - is that correct?) I think 738s or 739s will create better fleet synergy and allow greater frequencies.


User currently offlineBNE From Australia, joined Mar 2000, 3169 posts, RR: 12
Reply 20, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1685 times:

Flying a 757 to Perth range wise isn't the problem, the main problem I was thinking of was the ETOPS range that was available. When you head west there aren't any choices to land a plane if you get into any difficulty. Which is different to America where their is an airport every few hundred miles.




Why fly non stop when you can connect
User currently offlineFlygga From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1675 times:

The 757 would have no problem under ETOPS rules flying between SYD and PER. The distance is 1770 nm. Here in the US, several airlines use the 757 between SFO and Hawaii. The distance is 2,074nm and there are no airports in between. You either return to SFO or continue on to Hawaii.

Richard Silagi



User currently offlineTullamarine From Australia, joined Aug 1999, 1426 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1674 times:

DJ would undoubtedly want the extra slots but they need to arrange terminal access as well. The current terminal cannot handle more than 5 aircraft at once. They are unlikely to be attracted to paying the serious dollars a lease of AN gates would cost them.

User currently offlineTsv From Australia, joined Nov 1999, 1641 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (12 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 1654 times:

What routes did the 757s fly that were in Australia during the pilots strike?

I flew on an Air2000 757 over to Perth but can't remember whether it left from Sydney or Melbourne (old age / senility). I do however remember that I flew on a 757 back from Perth to Melbourne as the next flight was from Melbourne to Brisbane on a JAT 737 with the Captain trying to pronounce every city and town that we were flying over and most of the passengers were pissing themselves laughing!

The 757s were very very nice by the way.



"I told you I was ill ..." Spike Milligan
User currently offlineJAT From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 1101 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (12 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 1608 times:

Was it a JAT captain, or was just the plane JAT's?

25 Tsv : It was a JAT 737, JAT Captain and Co, with an Australian Cabin Crew (1989 Pilot's Dispute in Australia).
26 Hoons90 : 757 can fly transatlantically. EWR-LHR
27 JAT : Oh, it was back in 89? I thought it was more receantly. '89, the glory days of JAT, back when it was a respected airline.
28 Ikarus : Stupid question, but someone mentioned that Virgin Blue made profits last year. Is that true? If so, how? Usually, start-ups break even two or three y
29 Flyinghighboy : They made like $500,000AUD or something after the first three months, just operating costs. It was quite a suprise as they thought that they would be
30 Tsv : The Boeing 737 chapter in "Airliners in Australian Service" Volume 2 by Eric Allen says that the JAT 737s in Australia were 737-3H9s YU-AND (30.09.89
31 TAA_Airbus : Well how about this then, in my reading of the west australian newspaper yesterday, it is beleived that Virgin Blue want to bring in some of the curre
32 IndianicWorld : Virgin Blue may have made $500,000, but overall they lost $11 million because of all the costs. Until they clear all these costs, they will not be mak
33 The Coachman : Flyinghighboy, I think you mean in the ?red? for 3 years... The Coachman
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