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LAX - Proud Bird Restaurant To Close  
User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25337 posts, RR: 49
Posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12986 times:

The aviation themed restaurant adjacent to the 25-Runway complex is set to close on November 21st after 48-years.

The restaurant which sits on 8.3 acres of commercial property has been without a permanent lease since April 2011.
According to LAWA the restaurant has been paying below market value rents and has been unable to reach a new rental agreement for the site.





Story:
http://www.dailybreeze.com/general-n...nt-at-lax-announces-plans-to-close

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[Edited 2013-09-26 09:11:45]


From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
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User currently offlinebeechtobus From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12890 times:

Noooooo!! My mother brought me there for my middle school graduation dinner 25 years ago. The awesome filet while watching the birds go into the 25s and the old planes all over the grounds was definantely a formative in my developing love for aviation. I really hope a resturant remains should the lease get taken over.

User currently offlineaerobalance From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 4682 posts, RR: 46
Reply 2, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12751 times:

What a shame. Too bad


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User currently offlinen901wa From United States of America, joined Oct 2009, 461 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 12687 times:

That Really Sucks. I Love the Sunday Brunch, and the Dinners. Its a Good place to have Meetings, Close to work.
I hope there is some chance of reprieve. Thanks for the link.


User currently offlineAM777LR From Mexico, joined Sep 2013, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 12664 times:

What a shame! I'm glad I got to go there for a quince años. It will be missed  

User currently offlineLAXintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25337 posts, RR: 49
Reply 5, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 12559 times:

Personally this does not come as a surprise.

It just seems things have been slow in recent years, especially compared to the 90s.

The parking lot seems rather quiet always, and I have not attended any airline or government related events there in ages. It seems they have not attracted to volume of business of past years.

Also probably does not help, the place is getting old, both the interior and exterior show their age with seemingly these guys not putting money back in to the place to freshen it up. After all the restaurant and event hosting business is very competitive industry especially in a market like LA where one has so much choice.



From the desert to the sea, to all of Southern California
User currently offlineTomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 870 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 12496 times:
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Tons of great memories. Sunday Brunch after church. Memorabilia shows in the 90s. High School awards dinners. But the best were from the early 70s when we kids rode our bikes from home in Manhattan Beach and camped in the parking lot all day armed with a Radio Shack Jetstream VHF radio tuned to 118.9.

Tomas SJC



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User currently offlineairzim From Zimbabwe, joined Jun 2001, 1205 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 12472 times:

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 5):

Did this place have any connection to Continental? The old CO was headquartered close by and their slogan was (IIRC) the Proud Bird with the Golden Tail before their move to Houston.

I always assumed it had some tangental connection.


User currently offlinewedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5910 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 12082 times:
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Where are they going to move the airplanes on display? I hope LAWA doesn't trash them!

User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7496 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 11859 times:

I was wondering, was there some kind of chain restaurants like this back in the day ? There used to be one by BUF. Plus the one by MIA and this one @ LAX .


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User currently offlinePellegrine From United States of America, joined Mar 2007, 2443 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 11818 times:

Too bad, there was a similar restaurant outside of DC in College Park, MD called the 94th Aero Squadron. It overlooked the runway at CGS.


oh boy!!!
User currently offlineorganizethesky From United States of America, joined Jul 2013, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 11523 times:

NOOOOO! That makes me a little sad. Visited twice and loved the old world feeling as well as the view.

This place reminded me of the aero squadron restaurant at STL.


User currently offlineikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21526 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 11477 times:

It always makes me laugh to hear a landlord claim the tenant won't pay "market" rates for a property. Unless there are others pounding on their door, begging to lease the property, the rate the tenant offers to pay is the market rate. Usually, the landlord thinks that it's too hard for the business to move so they have them over a barrel, but as we see, it's cheaper just to CLOSE than to pay a "market" rate for this property.

How long will it take to find a new tenant? Can't build anything tall there, right under the flight path, and a lot of companies wouldn't want to be located there.

Is Wally Park going to build a facility there? How long will it take? How many years will it take the landlord to recoup the months of no rent they will endure rather than coming to a more agreeable "market" rate for the property. How many pennies-wise will this pound-foolish landlord be? Or do they have someone lined up?

You see this all the time in LA. Just talking to a friend today who had a tile store in Burbank, landlord felt a 20% raise in rent in 2008 was reasonable, friend didn't agree and moved his business instead of paying extortion, building went unrented for 18 months!

If you are going to take a stand on rent, you better be prepared.



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6428 posts, RR: 38
Reply 13, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 11448 times:

I watched the final Space Shuttle landing from there. Sad news indeed. Someone should rally In-N-Out to open a chain there; and spotters will rejoice at having 2 good LAX approach locations with decent food!


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User currently offlineDarkSnowyNight From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1361 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 11265 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 13):

Actually, that may not be a bad idea. The other one will be destroyed when LAX pushes the 24s north soon.



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User currently offlinen92r03 From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 344 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 11207 times:

Great memories there in the mid 90's.

There are/were 94th Aero Squandron restaurants around the country. One was at PIE, but closed early 90's. Another was at Montgomery Field in San Diego, not sure if it is still open.


User currently offlineflyabunch From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 517 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 11137 times:

A sure sign that the apocalypse is upon us...I hope there are plans for all of the planes and that they get moved before some damn wrecker from the landlord comes in and just crushes them. There are some great planes there.

Mike


User currently offlineBeardown91737 From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 11085 times:

Thanks for the news. My wife already wants to go spotting when Hello Kitty is there, so it works out, especially if it is Wednesday when my daughter plays soccer in Manhattan Beach.

Quote:
airport spokeswoman Nancy Castles said the company has not sent an official letter of termination to Los Angeles World Airports, the restaurant’s landlord.

So it isn't exactly a done deal. Possibly the Proud Bird leaked this story to get some public response passed on to the LA City council.

Quoting ikramerica (Reply 12):
Unless there are others pounding on their door, begging to lease the property, the rate the tenant offers to pay is the market rate.

  

LAWA's responsibility is to operate their airports efficiently. If they think they should get more rent for on-airport property, they can and should try. If they get the increase, they have done their job. If they accept whatever they can get, they have done their job. If they find a way to keep an asset like Proud Bird on the property, they have done their job. If they let it go vacant without a good reason, then the people of LA lose out, even though the Proud Bird's rent is less than a rounding error in the city budget.



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User currently offlineQantas59 From Australia, joined May 2013, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 11080 times:
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What type of planes are parked there?

User currently offlinen7190jr From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 11043 times:

Quoting n92r03 (Reply 15):
Great memories there in the mid 90's.

There are/were 94th Aero Squandron restaurants around the country. One was at PIE, but closed early 90's. Another was at Montgomery Field in San Diego, not sure if it is still open.

As part of the same restaurant group, we had 56th fighter group restaraunt here at FRG. Most in the chain are closed now, and I can relate to the same feelings everyone has had about the Proud Bird as I had the same connection to the 56th.....broke my heart when it closed. Looks like ill have to plan a trip to LAX to check this one out before its too late!



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User currently offlineGARUDAROD From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 1517 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 10986 times:

The end of an ERA, that's for sure.
I remember many LAACA meetings and Christmas parties being held there.
It was always a good place to run into other Airline Sales reps as they took a lunch break there.
Also used to be home to the LAX Airliner shows, before the Embassy Suites, and before the Hacienda.
My favorite thing their besides the buffet, was the headsets by the windows that allowed you to
listen to the tower communications with the arriving and departing aircraft.



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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6432 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 10963 times:

Quoting n92r03 (Reply 15):
There are/were 94th Aero Squandron restaurants around the country. One was at PIE, but closed early 90's.

One @ SRQ also.



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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7186 posts, RR: 13
Reply 22, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 10890 times:

I might pop by for one last visit on my trip to LAX next month. That was my first ever Spotter's location I visited in the US.

User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6428 posts, RR: 38
Reply 23, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 10322 times:

Quoting DarkSnowyNight (Reply 14):
Actually, that may not be a bad idea. The other one will be destroyed when LAX pushes the 24s north soon.

Oh yeah, forgot about that.. This could be a decent alternative then. But whatever happens, I hope the site remains as an area to be able to spot from. It's fantastic for winter evenings.



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User currently offlineflyabunch From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 517 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 9874 times:

By no means a complete or precise list. From memory and google earth!

Republic P47N
Bell X1 - replica
Lockheed P-38
Mig 15
North American P-51D
SBD-5 Dauntless
Grumman TBM Avenger
Fokker D VII
S.P.A.D. XIII
Messerschmitt BF-109
Beech Mod. 18
Chance Vought F4U Corsair
Curtiss P-40
Lockheed P80
Douglas A4C
Grumman F6F Hellcat

All and all a very nice group of planes.

Mike


25 lightsaber : Who is up for brunch this Sunday? (September 29th?) It is sad, so we might as well see her off! I actually never ate there, but I would walk around th
26 alphazulu : Ah… The Proud Bird. My memories of the place goes back more than 40 years with my first visit in the late 60’s. Over the years I have probably eat
27 Pellegrine : I think you're reaching. A lot of people own their property outright and only pay incremental RE taxes on it. You're under much less of a burden if s
28 Newark727 : Aww, that's too bad if it all goes through. I hope whatever turns up to replace it, if anything, keeps their parking lot open. The place had been look
29 Post contains images tristan7977 : I recently went there for my 16th birthday, on July 7th. I might as well go to for the last time, before it closes....
30 ikramerica : Opportunity cost and lost revenue. Unless you have a new tenant lined up, you are often very foolish to raise the rents on an old tenant beyond what
31 United_fan : So it was a chain . I only ate at the one @ BUF once . It was sort of hard to find if you didn't know how to get back there . Great spotting location
32 Highflier92660 : This is a shock to all we anetters who have patronized the Proud Bird over the years for all sorts of occasions; a meal before an overseas flight, bir
33 ImperialEagle : Yes and so it goes. Time changes everything. Have great memories from that place.
34 ATLTPA : What a shame! This makes me so sad as I have so many memories of this place. One of them was eating there on September 12, 2001. Absolutely eerie to s
35 vikkyvik : Ahhh, I guess I'll finally have to go eat there before it closes.... Van Nuys has one too. Overlooking the runways as well.
36 zrs70 : I go a few times a years. Best visit was to celebrate the 102 birthday of California's oldest female vet. She was a riveter in WWII, so a luncheon the
37 LAXintl : Here are some bits of info.. The restaurant was paying $217,200 annually for rent under a multi-decade agreement that expired in 2011. Pending a new a
38 Pellegrine : I really had no idea there were multiples. I do not think it was a chain of the same owners though. My grandfather used to take me to the one at CGS,
39 flightsimer : No, the restaurant was founded by David Talichet. He started the whole themed restaurant business concept back in the 50's or 60's. In the mean time,
40 Max Q : Not sure if I can believe this, Continentals slogan for years was 'the proud bird with the golden tail' and I have heard the restaurant had a connect
41 rlwynn : There was a 94th Aero Squandron at SNA also. The one in San Diego is still open.
42 jetstar : I remember eating at an Aero Squadron restaurant at FXE in the early 1980’s where they had some airplanes parked outside on the grass between the r
43 ikramerica : Ah, government. Gotta love it. Will be interesting to see who's going to pay $40k a month for that land. At that rate there's no chance the two sides
44 Post contains links lightsaber : SInce no once replied on brunch, I'm going their tomorrow morning with a non-airliners.net friend. I hope someone shows up. IM me if you're going. But
45 alfa164 : The same group owned a small chain of "Quiet Cannon" restaurants. Are any of them still around? There was one right next to the (docked) Queen Mary,
46 flightsimer : Trust me, the museum I'm involved with has dealed with Tallichet, or since his death in 2007, his estate, since 1987. He built and paid for our hanga
47 DesertAir : I had a wondereful dinner there with a friend a few years ago. I loved the overhead landings.
48 Max Q : Thanks for the information, another illusion of mine goes up in smoke !
49 jetstar : One thing I remember when I ate at the Aero Squadron at FXE around 1980 was all the tables by the windows that overlooked the runways had headsets so
50 lightsaber : I had brunch today with two 'non-aviation' friends and it was excellent. We ended up taking a 3 hour brunch. Although by the end, I was bored with all
51 The777Man : This is too bad! I'll make sure to have one more visit before it closes. The777Man
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