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Could DL Go Every Hour On ATL-LAX With 737-9?  
User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 934 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 8532 times:
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I noticed Delta has anywhere between 8-11 daily flights between ATL-LAX...(depending on the month)... They operate mainly 767s and 757s on this route, with the lone 777 flight and one 737 flight..... Obviously the 777 flt is satying

Anybody here think Delta might go every hour on the hour on ATL-LAX once the 737-900s start arriving??? Sort of an East coast-West Coast shuttle?.

Isn't the 737-900 suppose to replace their domestic 767/757s??

Thoughts?

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User currently offlineAlsatian From France, joined May 2005, 416 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8297 times:

DL has several routes ex-ATL that are operated with more than 10 daily flights (CLT - BOS - PHL - BWI - MIA - TPA - FLL - DFW - ORD - MSP - DTW... ) but only 3 sectors have hourly departures :

ATL - LGA xxh45
ATL - DCA xxh20
ATL - MCO xx50/55

It should be tricky to set it up.



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User currently onlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 6989 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (9 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 8260 times:

The primary question I would have when deciding to implement such a strategy from a major US airport would be how long does it routinely take from push back to take off especially during peak hours.
If a/c push on time and are still sitting on the ground when the other on time a/c pushes.......


User currently offlineTW870 From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 214 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6397 times:
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Why would it be more efficient to have a shuttle on this route - and one with 737-900ERs? Right now, Delta often uses ATL-LAX and DTW-LAX to rotate widebody aircraft between Europe and the Pacific. If they switched to an all 737 operation, they would have to either bring the 777 for SYD in from DTW, or swap it onto the NRT market to then rotate it out of NRT, which I bet would be more expensive. The advantage of high volume routes like ATL-LAX is that you can profitably use them to move your larger aircraft throughout the system.

Furthermore, the hourly "shuttle" type services usually cater to business travelers who are on day trips and use the airplane like a subway. LAX is far away from ATL, and my sense is that there wouldn't be an appreciable difference for most high yield customers between 11 flights at day and 14 or 15 - especially when they have to be on the airplane for five hours and cannot make a 1-day trip.


User currently offlineUALFAson From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 689 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (9 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 6043 times:

It's an interesting thought, but there is also a scheduling challenge with the difference in time zones. Although you could have hourly ATL-LAX departures all day lng, it wouldn't be as easy heading east. You can't have any late afternoon or early evening departures from LAX because they would arrive in ATL in the middle of the night.

As it is now, there is a big mid-day gap in eastbound transcons from the West Coast from the early afternoon departures until the red-eyes, so you couldn't advertise "hourly" departures eastbound, which would really be the whole point of marketing a shuttle-style operation.



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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4217 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5235 times:
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Quoting g500 (Thread starter):
Isn't the 737-900 suppose to replace their domestic 767/757s??

Yesterday UA pulled the scheduled 800 on IAH-YYC and substituted a (new car smell) 900ER.
We left an hour late, but the 900 is so fast, we made most of it up in the air.

Maybe the 900ER really is the new 757.   


User currently offlinecaljn From United States of America, joined Oct 2007, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5169 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 5):
Maybe the 900ER really is the new 757

Not even close. The 900 or 321 will never replace the personality and panache of the mighty 757, perhaps the most soulful commercial aircraft produced.


User currently onlineUSAirALB From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 3030 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (9 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5017 times:

Somewhat off topic, but are DL's 739s ETOPS rated?


E135/E140/E145/E70/E75/E90/CR2/CR7/717/732/733/734/735/73G/738/752/753/762/772/319/320/321/333
User currently offlinewjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5093 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (9 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4253 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 5):
We left an hour late, but the 900 is so fast,

It is????


User currently offlineFlyASAGuy2005 From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 7004 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (9 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3850 times:

Quoting USAirALB (Reply 7):
Somewhat off topic, but are DL's 739s ETOPS rated?

Yes, all will be ETOPS certified.



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User currently offlineCALPSAFltSkeds From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 2577 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (9 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3478 times:

Sure it could be done but peaks during the day would not be addressed
12 departures would cover current seats if 10 round trips
However to get hourly coverage I think you need 15 RTs

West 0800 through 2200
East 0600 through 1700 plus 2200 through 0000

Too many seats westbound in the evening and too few in the 9-11 am timeframe
Too many seats eastbound after about 2 pm

That would take 12 aircraft with 1:05 turn in LAX and 1:45 turn at ATL
There would be time in ATL for uses of part of the 12 aircraft

Why not use the 738?


User currently offlinefutureorthopod From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 77 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3278 times:

Looks like Delta is playing catch up to Continental...whoops I mean United....with the 900

User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4217 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (9 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3239 times:
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Quoting wjcandee (Reply 8):
Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 5):We left an hour late, but the 900 is so fast,
Quoting wjcandee (Reply 8):

It is????

It was.

Wrong tense of the verb -- this was Friday.


User currently offlinepiedmont727 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3080 times:

just going to put it out there for those who havent flown on one the 737-9 it is such a nice aircraft , recentlly made my favorites list when i flew it SFO-SAN (united red eye flight)

User currently offlineTan Flyr From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1903 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2823 times:

Quoting caljn (Reply 6):
Not even close. The 900 or 321 will never replace the personality and panache of the mighty 757, perhaps the most soulful commercial aircraft produced.

well put...the next best were the DC8-60's.....IMHO!

MAYBE, some day we will feel the same about the 787..??


User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17048 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (9 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 2594 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 12):
Quoting wjcandee (Reply 8):
Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 5):We left an hour late, but the 900 is so fast,
Quoting wjcandee (Reply 8):

It is????

It was.

Wrong tense of the verb -- this was Friday.

The cruise speed of the 737-900 is the same as all 737NGs and A320 family aircraft. It is not any faster than other narrowbodies.



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User currently offlineskymiler From United States of America, joined Aug 2007, 521 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2041 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 5):
Maybe the 900ER really is the new 757.   

No Way!

Without that L2 boarding door it will never replace the 757 from a passenger and cabin crew convenience point of view!



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User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4217 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 1931 times:
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Quoting skymiler (Reply 16):
No Way!

Without that L2 boarding door it will never replace the 757 from a passenger and cabin crew convenience point of view!

I'm not trying to change to world here -- I'm just a frequent flyer with an opinion.

From a personal perspective, except for the lie-flat bed version 752s that sometimes show up on IAD-SFO and MIA-EWR, no one in the front cabin seems to care as long as the service is equivalent. For instance, my ice cream sundae tastes the same whether I enter the plane by door L-1 or door L-2 -- or I'm flying a 900ER or a 752/3.

By the way -- completely off topic -- I flew the DL 753s years ago as an NWA platinum. I completely get the 'slave-ship' analogy and see why crews don't like to work them.


User currently offlineDualQual From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 753 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 1721 times:

Quoting kgaiflyer (Reply 5):

The ER isn't any faster than an 800. Normal cruise .77-.79. .80 if you go fast. There was probably some slop time in the block time, a few directs and less than planned historical winds.


User currently offlinekgaiflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 4217 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (9 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 1586 times:
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Quoting DualQual (Reply 18):
There was probably some slop time in the block time, a few directs and less than planned historical winds.

That's a pretty good analysis. There was practically *no* turbulence Friday -- unlike the IAH-SEA route where you have to hold onto your seat while gripping your drink cup in your teeth.

Since I'm not in the industry (does my RR number give that away?   ) I cede to your greater knowledge of the 900ER's flight characteristics.


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