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787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 21  
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Posted (1 year 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 45916 times:
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As part 20 has become quite long and may in some instances be slow to load, please feel free to contribute in this thread. Part 20 can be found here:

787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 20 (by jetblueguy22 Sep 7 2013 in Civil Aviation)

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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5772 posts, RR: 47
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 45686 times:

We should see LAN (Everett) & Hainan (Charleston) 787's flyaway today. Perhaps we'll be surprised by Qatar and LAN (Charleston) tomorrow.


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User currently offlinetigerotor77w From United States of America, joined Mar 2006, 162 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 45036 times:

Anyone have the flight number of the Hainan 787? (nonstop to PEK)

I live in Charleston and would love to see this bird take flight!


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8824 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 44770 times:
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LAN CC-BBD (LN118) delivery flight scheduled to depart KPAE at 18:10:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/L...7/history/20130930/0100Z/KPAE/SCEL


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11818 posts, RR: 33
Reply 4, posted (1 year 20 hours ago) and read 44122 times:

Quoting tigerotor77w (Reply 2):
Anyone have the flight number of the Hainan 787? (nonstop to PEK)

The flight number is CHH2723 but it was removed from Flightaware so it never departed. Maybe today.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7639 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (1 year 20 hours ago) and read 44078 times:

I've been away for a while, where's United787 with his always updated and detailed list? 


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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2713 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (1 year 14 hours ago) and read 43871 times:

As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. For more specific information on the aircraft in production, I recommend going to http://nyc787.blogspot.com/

DELIVERED TO DATE: 88 Aircraft to 14 Airlines

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO SEPTEMBER
NH-22; JL-11; AI-8; QR-8; UA–7; ET-5; LO-5; BY-4; LA-3; BA-2; CZ-3; DY-2; HU-2; AM-1

SEPTEMBER DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 114 – G-ZBJC - 9/3/2013 - BA #3
L/N 107 - JA821A - 9/23/2013 - NH #23
L/N 81 - B-2723 – 9/27/2013 - HU #3
L/N 118 - CC-BBD - 9/27/2013 - LA #4
L/N 121 – G-ZBJD – 9/27/2013 - BA #4

AIRCRAFT THAT HAVE COMPLETED MAJOR ASSEMBLY & CHANGE INCORPORATION*
L/N 91 - VT-ANO – 9/xx/2013 - AI #9
L/N 109 - A7-BCF – 9/xx/2013 - QR #9
L/N 113 - CC-BBE - 9/xx/2013 - LA #5
L/N 100 - B-2736 – 9/xx/2013 – CZ #4
L/N 123 – VH-VKA – 10/xx/2013 – JQ #1
L/N 128 – V8-DLA - 10/xx/2013 – BI #1
L/N 122 – N964AM - 10/xx/2013 - AM #2 (ILFC)
L/N 104 - B-2737 – 10/xx/2013 – CZ #5
L/N 36 - B-2726 – 11/xx/2013 – CZ #6
L/N 85 - B–2730 - xx/xx/2013 - HU #4
L/N 43 - B-2727 – x/xx/2013 - CZ #7
L/N 127 – N965AM - 10/xx/2013 - AM #3 (ILFC) Awaiting first flight
L/N 124 - N27908 - 10/xx/2013 - UA #8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 125 – JA833J - 10/xx/2013 - JL #12 Awaiting first flight
L/N 130 – V8-DLB - x/xx/2013 – BI #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 20 – JA821J – 10/xx/2013 - JL #13 Awaiting first flight
L/N 134 – VH-VKB – 10/xx/2013 – JQ #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 32 - VT-ANG – x/xx/2013 - AI #10 Awaiting first flight
L/N 30 - VT-ANE – x/xx/2013 - AI #11 Awaiting first flight
L/N 79 - B-27?? – x/xx/2014 - HU #5 Awaiting first flight (Storage)
L/N 119 - B-2738 – x/xx/2014 – CZ #8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 131 - B-2731 – x/xx/2014 - HU #6 Awaiting first flight

*Not including the delivered aircraft and test aircraft (ZA001-006 & ZB001)


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7639 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (1 year 13 hours ago) and read 43509 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 6):
AIRCRAFT THAT HAVE COMPLETED MAJOR ASSEMBLY & CHANGE INCORPORATION*

It's pretty safe to say all of these will be October deliveries. No more September delivs I can see.



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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2713 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (1 year 13 hours ago) and read 43421 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 7):

Never say never...end of the quarter, I am sure Boeing will be pushing hard to get more out the door...they seem to always squeak out one or two in the final hours. SCL767 said he expects 113 to be delivered in the next couple of days. The other three are ready but have customer issues so they are probably out of Boeing's control...


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11818 posts, RR: 33
Reply 9, posted (1 year 12 hours ago) and read 43294 times:

ZB002 rolled out and is now at the fuel dock.

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/384717965007941632/photo/1



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3448 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (1 year 12 hours ago) and read 43228 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 9):
ZB002 rolled out and is now at the fuel dock.

That seemed quicker than ZB001. Speaking of which; she is flying again:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE1

4 days in a row 32+ hours and 8 total flights.

tortugamon


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8824 posts, RR: 5
Reply 11, posted (1 year 12 hours ago) and read 43197 times:
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Quoting United787 (Reply 8):
SCL767 said he expects 113 to be delivered in the next couple of days.

LAN CC-BBE ZA539 (LN 113) will soon depart KCHS for another customer flight:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...9/history/20130930/1600Z/KCHS/KCHS

It should be noted that LAN requires two 787s in order to operate SCL-MAD/FRA daily; which begins tomorrow. Also, LAN requires two 787s in order to operate SCL-JFK daily; which begins next week. Plus one 787 on "stand-by" as a spare due to "operational issues."


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3448 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (1 year 9 hours ago) and read 42777 times:

You must have to have a tough stomach to be a test pilot. If flightaware can be trusted: BOE1 has been doing circles over Eastern Washington for about 3 hours while bouncing in between 7,900 feet and 21,000 feet while alternating speeds between 108 kts (!) and 373 kts. In other words going up and down at alternate speeds while doing circles for 3+ hours. No thank you!

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE1

tortugamon


User currently offlineWarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 592 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (1 year 9 hours ago) and read 42692 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 12):
You must have to have a tough stomach to be a test pilot.

Well, at least the test pilot is in control, knows what to expect (and when), and has the option of a visual reference to the horizon. Just think about the crew in the back monitoring all of the testing instrumentation! Having an iron stomach might as well be an official job skill requirement.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11818 posts, RR: 33
Reply 14, posted (1 year 8 hours ago) and read 42553 times:

Quote:
LN30 (VT-ANE) has been pushed out of the EMC with engines attached. Next stop is the paint hangar I guess, she's a bit dirty.

LN30 went inside the paint hangar today.

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/384744851020857344/photo/1

Quote:
Air India LN28 (VT-ANC) was moved from the paint hangar to the EMC tonight. Change incorporation should almost be finished.

LN28 is now back inside the EMC for final touches.



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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1601 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (1 year 8 hours ago) and read 42502 times:

Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 13):
Well, at least the test pilot is in control, knows what to expect (and when), and has the option of a visual reference to the horizon. Just think about the crew in the back monitoring all of the testing instrumentation! Having an iron stomach might as well be an official job skill requirement.


  

Up front it's a non-event especially if you're the driver and not the watcher (unless you're the queasy type to begin with). Depending on the tests being performed the people in back take a beating, stomach wise, so you keep the temperature cool and if somebody thinks they might have an issue take a break and invite them up front to get their world right side up again.


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3448 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (1 year 6 hours ago) and read 42157 times:

Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 13):
Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 15):

Over six hours of that stuff. Wow. Probably don't get IFE and a couple Jack Daniels' either.

Hope this government shutdown doesn't delay certification efforts.

tortugamon


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5772 posts, RR: 47
Reply 17, posted (1 year 6 hours ago) and read 42141 times:

There were probably some contractual deliveries made today which we'll know about tomorrow when fly-a-ways occur.


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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6397 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (1 year 5 hours ago) and read 42041 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 12):
If flightaware can be trusted: BOE1 has been doing circles over Eastern Washington for about 3 hours while bouncing in between 7,900 feet and 21,000 feet while alternating speeds between 108 kts (!) and 373 kts.

Sounds like a bit of envelope expansion   If 108 is a zero wind speed, then it sounds like they're looking for stall speeds. The altitude fluctiaions would certainly go along with that. However, given the crazy weather up here in the Pacific NW today, I wouldn't be suprised if strong winds aloft at the test altitudes were just giving the flight a crazy low groundspeed reading.



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User currently offlineKPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2764 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 hours ago) and read 41925 times:

Wow. BOE1's flight path today was nuts!   

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...1/history/20130930/1630Z/KBFI/KBFI



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User currently offlinepdxswa From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 3 hours ago) and read 41745 times:
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Another unpainted Hainan 787.


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Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Bill Shemley



User currently offlineConfuscius From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 3868 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 hour ago) and read 41523 times:

Quoting KPDX (Reply 19):

Give the pilots a sobriety test. They're way off the flight plan. They can't trace for sh!t... http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c159/acetaminophen500mg/boe001.jpg



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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6397 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 hour ago) and read 41495 times:

Looking at today's BOE1 flight track: Wow, wondering how you file that...I switched it over to sectional view, IFR low view, and IFR high view. No restricted area (I thought maybe they were flying inside of one). They're on the hook for visual separation, and down to 7900', they're mixing it up with GA traffic. I thought this was the type of thing they did off the coast over the Pacific...  


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User currently offlinebellancacf From United States of America, joined May 2011, 152 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 hour ago) and read 41478 times:

In the SE of that pattern there's a place where you wonder if they did a wingover into a diving turn. And a kink in the middle of the rat's nest that is _really_ tight. Maybe if you get down and look at the flight from the side it spells out words or draws a picture. It does look like someone had a lot of fun. Maybe the pilot likes this plane.

User currently offlineSooner787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2013, 285 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 hour ago) and read 41441 times:

Maybe they were dogfighting an A350 LOL

User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3448 posts, RR: 10
Reply 25, posted (1 year ago) and read 41728 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 22):

Yeah like I was mentioning in reply #12 it's that change in altitude and speed that make these crazy circles/routes that much more ridiculous. For almost 6.5 hours. Crazy. It does appear that the pilots have some confidence in shaking this plane. So far.

tortugamon


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3448 posts, RR: 10
Reply 26, posted (1 year ago) and read 41743 times:

Jon O tweeted that test personnel have not been on the aircraft so far. Tomorrow will be the first time.

tortugamon


User currently offlineAM777LR From Mexico, joined Sep 2013, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (1 year ago) and read 42085 times:

Quoting Sooner787 (Reply 24):

LOL   


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11818 posts, RR: 33
Reply 28, posted (12 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 41901 times:

Quoting pdxswa (Reply 20):
Another unpainted Hainan 787.

Hainan Airlines LN131, more info here.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11818 posts, RR: 33
Reply 29, posted (12 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 41792 times:

Quoting tigerotor77w (Reply 2):
Anyone have the flight number of the Hainan 787? (nonstop to PEK)
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 4):
The flight number is CHH2723 but it was removed from Flightaware so it never departed. Maybe today.

Here it is again:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...3/history/20131001/1200Z/KCHS/ZBAA

Should depart within 4 hours.



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User currently offlinebmibaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1813 posts, RR: 9
Reply 30, posted (12 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 41464 times:

Planespotters.net has published the construction numbers for the upcoming Jetstar Airways aircraft. They miss VH-VKC which is listed on 'All things 787', however, I believe they're correct in missing it... VH-VKC is currently assigned to a Glider on the CASA site, so surely, 'All things 787' is incorrect on this? Can someone clarify?

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11818 posts, RR: 33
Reply 31, posted (12 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 41166 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 29):
Here it is again:

And removed/canceled again   



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5772 posts, RR: 47
Reply 32, posted (12 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 41101 times:

Quoting pdxswa (Reply 20):
Another unpainted Hainan 787.

View Large View MediumPhoto © Bill Shemley
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 28):

Hainan Airlines LN131, more info here.

Those photos are old, the aircraft has since been painted in Hainan color since they were taken.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11818 posts, RR: 33
Reply 33, posted (12 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 41086 times:

Correct, but I believe pdxswa wants to know the identity of the airframe because he's a photo screener on this website.

[Edited 2013-10-01 07:56:21]


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5772 posts, RR: 47
Reply 34, posted (12 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 40883 times:

And it's back again:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CHH2723



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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3575 posts, RR: 27
Reply 35, posted (12 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 40817 times:
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Quoting NYC777 (Reply 34):
And it's back again:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...H2723

It's starting to sound like a faulty server in the data pipeline.. or a loose plug.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11818 posts, RR: 33
Reply 36, posted (12 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 40495 times:

A few very nice pictures of the Jetstar 787:


787 test flight by Jetstar Airways, on Flickr


787 test flight by Jetstar Airways, on Flickr


787 test flight by Jetstar Airways, on Flickr



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User currently offlineWarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 592 posts, RR: 3
Reply 37, posted (12 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 40283 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 34):
And it's back again:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CHH2723

Down again.... 



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3448 posts, RR: 10
Reply 38, posted (12 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 40286 times:

Its a safe bet no one got sick on today's 787-9 flight. Must be they have the full crew on board now and not just two pilots with a wild ride in mind.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...1/history/20131001/1815Z/KBFI/KMWH
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B.../20131001/1815Z/KBFI/KMWH/tracklog

tortugamon


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5772 posts, RR: 47
Reply 39, posted (12 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 40223 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 34):
And it's back again:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...H2723

And it timed out again.



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User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5472 posts, RR: 30
Reply 40, posted (12 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 40069 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 36):

It's amazing how good any plane seems to look if it has a base coat of something other than glaring white.



What the...?
User currently offlineaussie18 From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 1747 posts, RR: 9
Reply 41, posted (12 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 40021 times:
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Recent shot I managed to get of the Boeing 787-900 from the air, I did see number 2 while on the boeing tour in the hangars.


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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3448 posts, RR: 10
Reply 42, posted (12 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 39919 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 39):
And it timed out again.

About time. She is off!
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...3/history/20131001/1200Z/KCHS/ZBAA

Has there been a 14 hour 787 flight by a customer yet?

tortugamon


User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2713 posts, RR: 1
Reply 43, posted (12 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 39906 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 42):
About time. She is off!

Has the fat lady sung on this one... I would be nervous until it left US airspace.

Any word on anymore deliveries yesterday? I am guessing that since we haven't seen anymore delivery flights, 5 is it for September  


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11818 posts, RR: 33
Reply 44, posted (12 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 39830 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 42):
Has there been a 14 hour 787 flight by a customer yet?

Yes I have seen it before but can't remember which customer it was.



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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2713 posts, RR: 1
Reply 45, posted (12 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 39728 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 44):
Yes I have seen it before but can't remember which customer it was.

Probably QR or ET?


User currently offlinecasinterest From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 4636 posts, RR: 2
Reply 46, posted (12 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 39331 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 43):

Has the fat lady sung on this one... I would be nervous until it left US airspace.

Currently in Canadian Airspace  

So what does October look like now?



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User currently offlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 624 posts, RR: 3
Reply 47, posted (12 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 39100 times:

As we start a new month. Next up...

Deliveries:
> VT-ANO (Air India #9) (@ Charleston)
> B-2736 (China Southern #4) (@ Charleston)
> A7-BCF (Qatar Airways #9) (@ Charleston)
> CC-BBE (LAN Airlines #5) (@ Charleston)
> VH-VKA (Qantas/Jetstar #1)
> V8-DLA (Royal Brunei #1)
> N964AM (Aeromexico #2/ILFC #4)
> B-2726 (China Southern #5)

First Flights:
> B-2738 (China Southern #8) (@ Charleston)
> N27908 (United Airlines #8) (@ Charleston)
> JA-83?J (Japan Airlines #12) (@ Charleston)
> JA-821J (Japan Airlines #13)
> N965AM (Aeromexico #3/ILFC #5)
> V8-DLB (Royal Brunei #2)
> VH-VKB (Qantas/Jetstar #2)
> B-2731 (Hainan Airlines #5)

FAL Rollout:
> EI-LNC (Norwegian #3 - #1 Self Owned)
> JA-824A (All Nippon Aiways #24) (@ Charleston)
> N789ZB (787-9 Test Aircraft #3)

Cheers
A


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7639 posts, RR: 18
Reply 48, posted (12 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 38721 times:

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 47):

So none were delivered at the end of September?



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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2424 posts, RR: 1
Reply 49, posted (12 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 38742 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 48):
So none were delivered at the end of September?

There were 3, 1 each for ANA, LAN and BA. But im sure there were some contractual deliveries made towards the end.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11818 posts, RR: 33
Reply 50, posted (12 months 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 38659 times:

Air India VT-ANB (LN26) is about to get its engines fitted.

http://paineairport.com/images/kpae9849.png



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User currently offlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 624 posts, RR: 3
Reply 51, posted (12 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 38486 times:

Based on EIS only, these frames should deliver shortly:
> A7-BCF (Qatar): EIS 1-Sep?!? (flights running short at the moment)
> VT-ANO (Air India): EIS 1-Sep?!? (flights running short at the moment)
> CC-BBE (LAN): EIS 8-Oct (although this is a "spare" frame for their schedule which requires only 4 active frames)
> N964AM (Aeromexico): EIS 14-Oct
> V8-DLA (Royal Brunei): EIS 19-Oct
> N965AM (Aeromexico): EIS 24-Oct
> B-2736 (China Southern): EIS 27-Oct
> V8-DLB (Royal Brunei): EIS 1-Nov
Cheers
A


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11818 posts, RR: 33
Reply 52, posted (12 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 38474 times:

Jetairfly should get its first 787 later this year.

http://airlineroute.net/2013/10/02/tb-787-update1/



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User currently offlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 624 posts, RR: 3
Reply 53, posted (12 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 38438 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 52):
Jetairfly should get its first 787 later this year.

That's LN 137 currently in FAL @ Everett.
A


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11818 posts, RR: 33
Reply 54, posted (12 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 38406 times:

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 53):
That's LN 137 currently in FAL @ Everett.

It's possible, LN137 is the 5th 787 for TUI Travel. Although the registration should start with OO- while it currently is listed as G-TUIE (which is Thomson).



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5772 posts, RR: 47
Reply 55, posted (12 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 38130 times:

LN 100 is flying away today to China. Must've been delivered contractually yesterday.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CSN9



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3448 posts, RR: 10
Reply 56, posted (12 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 38069 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 50):
Air India VT-ANB (LN26) is about to get its engines fitted.

It sounds like there should be movements very soon. I had envisioned more aircraft coming out of the EMC the last three months.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 55):
LN 100 is flying away today to China.

This flight is pushing 15 hours with a planned 7,807 mile route. Still don't know if these are the longest because indeed ET/QR/AI. It is interesting that they add 500 miles and cut off the polar route.

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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3448 posts, RR: 10
Reply 57, posted (12 months 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 38073 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 15):

Two days ago ZB001 had a very wild test flight at over 6 hours and lots of flight envelope testing. Yesterday it has two, very short and straight test flights with about 3 hours on the ground in Moses Lakes. Two very-different days. Jon Ostrower indicated that yesterdays flight would be the first with flight test crew (non-pilots I assumed) on board.

Does this mean that they wanted to really shake the plane out before they invited more crew on board? This sounds funny but is this some kind of safety move? Does the crew in back automatically mean they are testing different things or will they most likely be on board from now on and just wanted to check flight envelope before really getting testing underway. I would think that telemetry would allow them to do tests remotely and not have to be on board but obviously that does not seem to be the case.

Any insights would be appreciated 7BOEING7.

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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31055 posts, RR: 87
Reply 58, posted (12 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 37808 times:
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Quoting tortugamon (Reply 57):
Does this mean that they wanted to really shake the plane out before they invited more crew on board? This sounds funny but is this some kind of safety move?

Maybe they were verifying the side of body join? The 787-8's SoB started to delaminate just beyond Limit Load so if they were performing maneuvers that met or exceeded that, they could then examine them afterwards to see how they held up.


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3448 posts, RR: 10
Reply 59, posted (12 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 37733 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 58):
Maybe they were verifying the side of body join? The 787-8's SoB started to delaminate just beyond Limit Load so if they were performing maneuvers that met or exceeded that, they could then examine them afterwards to see how they held up.

Could be. They did not keep the aircraft out of commission for more than 24 hours afterward so as long as that is a relatively quick inspection period then it is possible.

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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5772 posts, RR: 47
Reply 60, posted (12 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 37644 times:

ZA292 is preparing to go on it's B-1 flight:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE292

With the govt. shutdown I wonder if it'll delay UA from getting any aircraft as the FAA has to sign off on each delivery I believe (not just 787 but any aircraft delivered to any US carrier).



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User currently offlineAirIndia111 From India, joined Aug 2013, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 61, posted (12 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 37507 times:

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 51):
VT-ANO (Air India): EIS 1-Sep?!? (flights running short at the moment)

I don't think AI is running short of 787's at the moment. In fact, they are using the 787's as a replacement for 32x's flights (One example is the DXB run where AI 995/996 and AI 946/947 have been combined and replaced with the 787 till 8th October).

Except on Tuesday Mornings, they always have 1 787 as a backup in DEL.


User currently offlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 624 posts, RR: 3
Reply 62, posted (12 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 37449 times:

Quoting AirIndia111 (Reply 61):
I don't think AI is running short of 787's at the moment.

AI 803/505 DEL-BLR has been cancelled all week as well as some AI 439/430 DEL-MAA flights, hence why my comment above. AI 401/021 DEL-CCU has substituted some of those flights but not all. In order for AI to fly a full schedule as per the original timetable, they need another frame.
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Reply 63, posted (12 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 37377 times:
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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11818 posts, RR: 33
Reply 64, posted (12 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 37297 times:

That's LN79 on the flightline, but she was moved to the EMC again. I'm however not sure why it needs rework.

[Edited 2013-10-02 10:41:26]


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User currently offlineAirIndia111 From India, joined Aug 2013, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 65, posted (12 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 37071 times:

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 62):
AI 803/505 DEL-BLR has been cancelled all week as well as some AI 439/430 DEL-MAA flights, hence why my comment above. AI 401/021 DEL-CCU has substituted some of those flights but not all.

While that is true but AI has always had the 787's available at DEL to operate those flights. And we haven't seen any of the 787's going tech in the past few days. I suspect crew shortage to be a reason for those cancellations. Ever since AI has mounted Oz services, they have been facing issues with crew rostering. One Oz trip keeps a set of crew away from the base for the next 8 days.

Moreover, AI 803 / 505 is now a scheduled 321 service since 1st October. And AI 401 / 21 has moved to a 787. This is mainly because AI gets a lot of domestic and international connecting traffic from CCU.


User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6397 posts, RR: 3
Reply 66, posted (12 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 37055 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 57):
Does this mean that they wanted to really shake the plane out before they invited more crew on board? This sounds funny but is this some kind of safety move?

I wonder if they were just trying to rack up 40 hours ASAP...an aircraft with an experimental registration has to fly 40 hours before it is allowed to fly over "populated" areas (as per the FAR's)   I'm really suprised that they didn't do that out over the Pacific, though.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11818 posts, RR: 33
Reply 67, posted (12 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 36792 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 55):
LN 100 is flying away today to China. Must've been delivered contractually yesterday.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CSN9

LN100 is airborne.



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3448 posts, RR: 10
Reply 68, posted (12 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 36669 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 66):
I'm really surprised that they didn't do that out over the Pacific, though.

Not me. If I was really shaking a new plane I would like to be over a seldom used airport like Moses Lakes  
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 67):
LN100 is airborne.

Great news. They always seemed to be delivered in pairs. Don't look now but just seven more 'finished' Chinese birds to deliver and the next one should not roll off the FAL until December (LN151). This one should be very close to 15 hours:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...9/history/20131002/1600Z/KCHS/ZBTJ

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 44):
Yes I have seen it before but can't remember which customer it was.

You were right: ET-AOO flew over 15 hours and 8,565 miles on July 31:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/E...1/history/20130731/0630Z/KPAE/HAAB

Still a far cry from:

"ZA006, Boeing's sixth 787 flight test aircraft, fitted with General Electric GEnx-1B engines, departed Boeing Field, Seattle, US, on 6 December 2011 en route for Dhaka, Bangladesh, weighing 212t (467,375lb), including 103t of fuel  Wow!, the volumetric shut-off limit for the aircraft.
...
After flying 10,710nm (19,814km), ZA006 landed in Dhaka with 13.6t of fuel remaining. Boeing officially received credit from the NAA for 10,336nm flown"
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...record-breaking-787-flight-368998/

Interestingly (to me at least) the 787-9 with its larger range may not be able to even try to break the record (though I doubt Boeing would try). The record mentioned above is for aircraft weighing less than 250t and the MTOW of a 787-9 is 251t. Maybe they will just load 1t less fuel and see if they can give it a go  . I don't think I would want to compete with the 77L at 11,664nm at 347t  Wow! or the 778 at ~352t.

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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1601 posts, RR: 8
Reply 69, posted (12 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 36623 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 57):
Does this mean that they wanted to really shake the plane out before they invited more crew on board? This sounds funny but is this some kind of safety move? Does the crew in back automatically mean they are testing different things or will they most likely be on board from now on and just wanted to check flight envelope before really getting testing underway. I would think that telemetry would allow them to do tests remotely and not have to be on board but obviously that does not seem to be the case.

The FAA requires new/derivative models to perform various initial test points (flutter, etc.) to define some of the envelope of the airplane prior to letting more than a minimum crew on board (two pilots or in the old days two pilots and a flight engineer). Once the airplane has "cleared flutter" the rest of the crew is allowed on board. Minimum crew flights can also occur years after an airplane is certified if there is some expansion of the flight envelope requiring flutter testing (i.e. increased speed envelope on 742's with reserve fuel tanks which took place in the early 80's long after the 742 had been initially certified).

Quoting Stitch (Reply 58):
Maybe they were verifying the side of body join? The 787-8's SoB started to delaminate just beyond Limit Load so if they were performing maneuvers that met or exceeded that, they could then examine them afterwards to see how they held up.

Probably not at this stage of the test program if at all.

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 66):
I wonder if they were just trying to rack up 40 hours ASAP...an aircraft with an experimental registration has to fly 40 hours before it is allowed to fly over "populated" areas (as per the FAR's) I'm really suprised that they didn't do that out over the Pacific, though.

That may apply to the first aircraft of any given model but certainly not to every airplane under an experimental ticket. During the 772 test program follow on airplanes in the test fleet were only required to fly for 5 hours prior to landing at KBFI from KPAE. If an experimental ticket is put on a production airplane that is doing some certification testing there would be "0" hours required but you may be restricted to taking off north (overwater) at KPAE or KRNT on your first flight. In eastern Washington, Idaho and Montana where ZB001 has been operating it's for all intents and purposes not a populated area.


User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1601 posts, RR: 8
Reply 70, posted (12 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 36577 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 68):
I don't think I would want to compete with the 77L at 11,664nm at 347t


22 hours, 42 minutes and we had enough fuel left on landing to have flown for 24+ hours (or to Tolouse) but we had people waiting for us at Heathrow. I always thought 24+ hours would have been a lot more memorable.

[Edited 2013-10-02 14:56:15]

User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3448 posts, RR: 10
Reply 71, posted (12 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 36483 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 69):
The FAA requires new/derivative models to perform various initial test points (flutter, etc.) to define some of the envelope of the airplane prior to letting more than a minimum crew on board

That makes sense and I figured you would have the answer. Thank you.

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 70):
22 hours, 42 minutes and we had enough fuel left on landing to have flown for 24+ hours (or to Tolouse)

Something tells me you would not have gotten clearance to land at TLS  . Quite the achievement.   

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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3448 posts, RR: 10
Reply 72, posted (12 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 36307 times:

Very exciting news, another new customer:

Jetstar VH-VKA starting engines for delivery flight
http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/385550630778990592

I believe this makes the 15th customer taking the 90th 787.

tortugamon


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5772 posts, RR: 47
Reply 73, posted (12 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 36211 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 72):
Very exciting news, another new customer:Jetstar VH-VKA starting engines for delivery flighthttp://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/385550630778990592I believe this makes the 15th customer taking the 90th 787. tortugamon

saw that...interesting that there was no special celebration and so far no FA alert. I'm not saying it isn't true but it's certainly extremely low key...like they're trying to makea fast and un-noticed getaway.



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3448 posts, RR: 10
Reply 74, posted (12 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 36095 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 73):

It is odd. The Australian media has been very interested in this. Maybe Matt is mistaken.

tortugamon


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5772 posts, RR: 47
Reply 75, posted (12 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 35953 times:

I haven't seen anything on Flightaware and I'm not sure of the flight number so I can't track it on Flightradar 24


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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3448 posts, RR: 10
Reply 76, posted (12 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 35876 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 75):

...and flights are usually scheduled ( not necessarily flown) during relatively normal business hours. I see nothing in Aussie news either. Engines on is different than at the delivery center or other key indicators. Though I respect Matt I would say it is unlikely.

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User currently offlineDeltaB717 From Australia, joined Jun 2012, 495 posts, RR: 0
Reply 77, posted (12 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 35956 times:
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Last I read, the JQ wasn't due for delivery until 7 Oct, although that may have changed...

User currently offlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 624 posts, RR: 3
Reply 78, posted (12 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 35821 times:

Flight radar also cryptic but shows the frame flying JQ001.
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/vh-vka
A


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3448 posts, RR: 10
Reply 79, posted (12 months 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 35740 times:

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 78):
Flight radar also cryptic but shows the frame flying JQ001.
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 75):
I haven't seen anything on Flightaware

Matt has now confirmed that Jetstar's first 787 (VH-VKA) left 'hours ago' (thanks NYC777). I see it on Flight Radar (thanks A) but it says it is SYD-HNL and the flight path looks very odd. Almost like it flew back to PAE.
Matt has a picture of it taking off: http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/10062864963/

If it left 'hours ago' that might mean around 6pm at PAE? That would be roughly a 16.5 hour flight which means it lands at around 12:30 pm PST tomorrow which is around 5:30 AM Sydney-time if I am not mistaken. Not necessarily the best time for an ad hoc welcoming party or anything.

As if its not a weird enough night with this confusion, Matt also says a second new bird is leaving/has left for a delivery flight:
"Royal Brunei 787 V8-DLA pushing back from the Everett Delivery Center for a delivery flight"
http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/385608564061913089
...and a picture with its sister: http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/10063465243/

It probably goes without saying but I don't see that on Flight Aware either. And that one doesn't have the same cryptic code as JQ001/JST1 in FlightRadar. I give up.  

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User currently offlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 624 posts, RR: 3
Reply 80, posted (12 months 3 days ago) and read 35739 times:

Royal Brunei (V8-DLA) delivery flight on "cryptic" flightradar.
http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/v8-dla
Perhaps the flightaware issue has to do with the shutting down of the US government...
A

I would add that V8-DLA established a record with 92 days from entering FAL to delivery flight, eclipsing the 104 day record of G-ZBJB (British Airways #1).

[Edited 2013-10-02 21:33:59]

User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3448 posts, RR: 10
Reply 81, posted (12 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 35569 times:

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 80):
Royal Brunei (V8-DLA) delivery flight on "cryptic" flightradar.

At least that one is going the right direction.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 80):
Perhaps the flightaware issue has to do with the shutting down of the US government...

Good guess.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 80):
I would add that V8-DLA established a record with 92 days from entering FAL to delivery flight,

Which means that aircraft that have not entered FAL probably won't be delivered this year.

That takes us to about LN 142. And including these two mysterious flights that takes us to 91 deliveries or 42 this year which means 18 more to go to meet wall street guidance of 60 787s in 2013.

Between preflight, production testing, and ready for delivery there are 19 but one of those is ZB002 so that makes it 18 on the dot. Deliver all of them and they are all set.

But for every one of these aircraft that are not delivered in 2013 (8 Chinese and Indian Birds for example) there must be one delivered out of the EMC (3 AI, 1 HN aircraft and others) or one of the 9 788s that have entered final assembly at this point have to be delivered.

60 should still be manageable but work needs to be done. 70+ appears unlikely in my opinion.

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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11818 posts, RR: 33
Reply 82, posted (12 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 35351 times:

HU LN79 being fitted with its engines.


KPAE Wet Day 10-2-13 by moonm, on Flickr


KPAE Wet Day 10-2-13 by moonm, on Flickr



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User currently offlinedan23 From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 83, posted (12 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 34948 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 79):
Matt has now confirmed that Jetstar's first 787 (VH-VKA) left 'hours ago' (thanks NYC777). I see it on Flight Radar (thanks A) but it says it is SYD-HNL and the flight path looks very odd. Almost like it flew back to PAE.
Matt has a picture of it taking off: http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvo...4963/
SYD-HNL is the usual route for JQ1 so its probably in the Flightradar24 database so the route is probably just called up when it sees JQ1. It seems from Moonm's photos that VKA undertook a return PAE-PAE, earlier in the day, flight prior to the delivery flight. Flightaware must be partially shutdown.

Its very quiet over here in the Australian media and aviation forums etc. News doesnt seem to have got out. VKA may turn up first thing in the morning at MEL to everyones surprise.

Edit: Should have arrived in Australia by now in fact if it was a direct flight.

[Edited 2013-10-03 06:00:46]

[Edited 2013-10-03 06:07:06]

User currently offlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 624 posts, RR: 3
Reply 84, posted (12 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 34583 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 79):
the flight path looks very odd

Between the weird flight path and this article just now released by Australian media, i am venturing that VH-VKA has been contractually delivered but remains in North American (maybe Boeing Field???) where Jetstar pilots will conduct test flights over the next few days (as well as some photo ops) before it flies out with great fanfare next Monday night from North America landing in Melbourne on Wed 1pm local time.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi...y-due/story-e6frg95x-1226732478371

A


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11818 posts, RR: 33
Reply 85, posted (12 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 34609 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 49):
There were 3, 1 each for ANA, LAN and BA. But im sure there were some contractual deliveries made towards the end.

The numbers are out, 6 deliveries for September:

> September 1: British Airways
> September 23: All Nippon Airways
> September 27: British Airways
> September 27: LAN Airlines
> September 30: Hainan Airlines
> September 30: Qantas

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/...eperiodselection.cfm&pageid=m15523



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7639 posts, RR: 18
Reply 86, posted (12 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 34545 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 85):
> September 30: Hainan Airlines
> September 30: Qantas

Oh so those two did end up getting cranked out of there that day. Whoever above posted about that rebuking my comment about these going to October, well, I stand corrected 



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User currently offlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 624 posts, RR: 3
Reply 87, posted (12 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 34541 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 85):
The numbers are out

Interestingly the Scoot Pte Ltd. (10x 788 + 10x 789) order has been separated from the Singapore Air (30x 7810) order on the Boeing books whereas in prior months they were consolidated under a single Singapore Air order. Scoot starts getting theirs Q4-2014. Singapore Air in 2018.
A


User currently offlineWarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 592 posts, RR: 3
Reply 88, posted (12 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 34551 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 85):
The numbers are out, 6 deliveries for September:

...for a total of 40 787's year-to-date.

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 81):
60 should still be manageable but work needs to be done. 70+ appears unlikely in my opinion.

  

The government shut down may end up factoring into this mix as well. Boeing issued a warning today that deliveries of its 787's could be delayed at the South Carolina facility because the FAA officials who provide final certification there have been furloughed. In Washington state, the FAA delegates final certification responsibility to Boeing staffers with in-house authority.

However, Boeing could always log an "Airbus 5th quarter" to surpass 70.   

[Edited 2013-10-03 08:45:52]


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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3575 posts, RR: 27
Reply 89, posted (12 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 34502 times:
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Could some of the flight aware data be hampered by the government shutdown and some "nice to know" links closed?

User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3448 posts, RR: 10
Reply 90, posted (12 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 34477 times:

Quoting dan23 (Reply 83):

Thanks for the info.

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 84):
Between the weird flight path and

This certainly makes more sense. They should make it a party and a major marketing event to drive free publicity.

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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3575 posts, RR: 27
Reply 91, posted (12 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 34344 times:
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Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 88):
In Washington state, the FAA delegates final certification responsibility to Boeing staffers with in-house authority.

Seems odd that the Boeing designees can not perform the same function in Charleston...


User currently offlineWarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 592 posts, RR: 3
Reply 92, posted (12 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 34299 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 91):
Seems odd that the Boeing designees can not perform the same function in Charleston...

Roadtrip!?!?



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User currently offline7673mech From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 730 posts, RR: 0
Reply 93, posted (12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 34302 times:
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Quoting tortugamon (Reply 79):
Matt has now confirmed that Jetstar's first 787 (VH-VKA) left 'hours ago' (thanks NYC777).

I was out at PAE last night on business. The Jetstar plane is still there doing customer training flights.
Royal Brunei did leave after a photo op with the 2nd one.


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3448 posts, RR: 10
Reply 94, posted (12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 34282 times:

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 87):
Singapore Air in 2018.

This could be a tax/regulation move. I imagine they want to hold off on making the 787-10 move until they get closer to the date. No reason to make the move sooner than you need to. I could see some A359s being converted to A351s at SQ and maybe they plan on keeping some 787-10s vs the A359R depending on the performance results. 30 Seems like a lot for just Scoot in my opinion.

Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 88):
...for a total of 40 787's year-to-date.

I count 42 YTD and 40 through September. RBA and CS delivered in October from the looks of it.

Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 88):
In Washington state, the FAA delegates final certification responsibility to Boeing staffers with in-house authority.

I wonder if they could transfer them to Everett for ultimate certification. I don't think this shutdown will make it through the weekend so I do not foresee a real impact personally.

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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3448 posts, RR: 10
Reply 95, posted (12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 34269 times:

Quoting 7673mech (Reply 93):
The Jetstar plane is still there doing customer training flights.

Mystery solved. Thank you.


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User currently offlineWarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 592 posts, RR: 3
Reply 96, posted (12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 34233 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 94):
I count 42 YTD and 40 through September. RBA and CS delivered in October from the looks of it.

  

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 94):
I wonder if they could transfer them to Everett for ultimate certification.

Sounds like a good workaround. The WSJ article I read did say that Boeing is looking into contingencies. Perhaps they should call you!



Quoting tortugamon (Reply 94):
I don't think this shutdown will make it through the weekend

Hope you're right, but everyone's heels seem to be dug in for a long battle. The typical political solution in Washington is one where everyone can claim victory; which is hard to imagine in this instance...



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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1601 posts, RR: 8
Reply 97, posted (12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 34224 times:

Who is this, ZA143?
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE143


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11818 posts, RR: 33
Reply 98, posted (12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 34201 times:

Sounds like a typo, LN134 perhaps?

/edit

Can't be, I'm mixing the LN with the ZA number.

[Edited 2013-10-03 10:01:56]


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11818 posts, RR: 33
Reply 99, posted (12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 34157 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 95):
Mystery solved. Thank you.

Crew training, she will fly to Melbourne next Wednesday.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi...y-due/story-e6frg95x-1226732478371

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 87):
Interestingly the Scoot Pte Ltd. (10x 788 + 10x 789) order has been separated from the Singapore Air (30x 7810) order on the Boeing books whereas in prior months they were consolidated under a single Singapore Air order. Scoot starts getting theirs Q4-2014. Singapore Air in 2018.

I wished Jetstar had done the same, it's a bit confusing to see the Qantas brand name everywhere.



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User currently offlineWarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 592 posts, RR: 3
Reply 100, posted (12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 34120 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 99):
Crew training, she will fly to Melbourne next Wednesday.

IIRC, United did the same after taking its first frame.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11818 posts, RR: 33
Reply 101, posted (12 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 34128 times:

The Jetstar bird is airborne again.

http://fr24.com/JST7879

http://oi41.tinypic.com/2d569y.jpg



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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2424 posts, RR: 1
Reply 102, posted (12 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 34344 times:

Just saw this tweet from Matt:

Quote:
More on hydraulic leak in EMC last week hydraulic line in Air India 787 exploded according to source serious structural wing damage

Does anyone know more about this??

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/385817132220440576



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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3575 posts, RR: 27
Reply 103, posted (12 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 34327 times:
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Quoting tortugamon (Reply 94):
I wonder if they could transfer them to Everett for ultimate certification. I don't think this shutdown will make it through the weekend so I do not foresee a real impact personally.

did you mean "them" as the planes or "them" as the future designees?

The problem I would see with moving the planes is all the technical/supporting data would be in Charleston.. and any designee here would would want to have access.

Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 92):
Roadtrip!?!?

What you're not suggesting a 787 Norwegian test flight as a method?   


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11818 posts, RR: 33
Reply 104, posted (12 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 34315 times:

Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 100):
IIRC, United did the same after taking its first frame.

Correct  



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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2713 posts, RR: 1
Reply 105, posted (12 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 34370 times:

As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. For more specific information on the aircraft in production, I recommend going to http://nyc787.blogspot.com/

DELIVERED TO DATE: 91 Aircraft to 16 Airlines

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO SEPTEMBER
NH-22; JL-11; AI-8; QR-8; UA–7; ET-5; LO-5; BY-4; LA-3; BA-2; CZ-3; DY-2; HU-2; AM-1

SEPTEMBER & OCTOBER DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 114 – G-ZBJC - 9/1/2013 - BA #3
L/N 107 - JA821A - 9/23/2013 - NH #23
L/N 118 - CC-BBD - 9/27/2013 - LA #4
L/N 121 – G-ZBJD – 9/27/2013 - BA #4
L/N 81 - B-2723 – 9/30/2013 - HU #3
L/N 123 – VH-VKA – 9/30/2013 – JQ #1
L/N 100 - B-2736 – 10/1/2013 – CZ #4
L/N 128 – V8-DLA - 10/1/2013 – BI #1

AIRCRAFT THAT HAVE COMPLETED MAJOR ASSEMBLY & CHANGE INCORPORATION*
L/N 91 - VT-ANO – 10/xx/2013 - AI #9
L/N 109 - A7-BCF – 10/xx/2013 - QR #9
L/N 113 - CC-BBE - 10/xx/2013 - LA #5
L/N 122 – N964AM - 10/xx/2013 - AM #2 (ILFC)
L/N 124 - N27908 - 10/xx/2013 - UA #8
L/N 104 - B-2737 – 10/xx/2013 – CZ #5
L/N 85 - B–2730 - 10/xx/2013 - HU #4
L/N 36 - B-2726 – 11/xx/2013 – CZ #6
L/N 43 - B-2727 – x/xx/2013 - CZ #7
L/N 127 – N965AM - 10/xx/2013 - AM #3 (ILFC) Awaiting first flight
L/N 125 – JA833J - 10/xx/2013 - JL #12 Awaiting first flight
L/N 130 – V8-DLB - x/xx/2013 – BI #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 20 – JA821J – 10/xx/2013 - JL #13 Awaiting first flight
L/N 134 – VH-VKB – 10/xx/2013 – JQ #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 32 - VT-ANG – x/xx/2013 - AI #10 Awaiting first flight
L/N 30 - VT-ANE – x/xx/2013 - AI #11 Awaiting first flight
L/N 79 - B-27?? – x/xx/2014 - HU #5 Awaiting first flight (Storage)
L/N 119 - B-2738 – x/xx/2014 – CZ #8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 131 - B-2731 – x/xx/2014 - HU #6 Awaiting first flight

*Not including the delivered aircraft and test aircraft (ZA001-006 & ZB001-002)


Looks like we potentially could have 14 deliveries for October, 2 of which already delivered and 3 of which are ready for delivery now. Of course, this all depends on the GOP in the house...


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5772 posts, RR: 47
Reply 106, posted (12 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 34173 times:

BOE 143 is not a 787. It's a 777. Flightaware mistake.


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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3448 posts, RR: 10
Reply 107, posted (12 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 33733 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 103):
The problem I would see with moving the planes is all the technical/supporting data would be in Charleston.. and any designee here would would want to have access.

I can see that being a sticking point. Hopefully it does not resort to that. I expect this to be over shortly.

tortugamon


User currently offlineKPDX From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2764 posts, RR: 2
Reply 108, posted (12 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 33497 times:

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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5518 posts, RR: 6
Reply 109, posted (12 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 33495 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 103):
What you're not suggesting a 787 Norwegian test flight as a method

Just have VT-ANO fly everything over. It's not like that frame has anything better to do...   


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5772 posts, RR: 47
Reply 110, posted (12 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 33251 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 109):
Just have VT-ANO fly everything over. It's not like that frame has anything better to do...

On Randy's Blog, Randy Tinseth said that Boeing had delivered 3 aircraft thus far in October for an overall total of 92 and 43 787s delivered in 2013. This is most likely another CHS 787 either Qatar or but most likely LAN. We'll know tomorrow when the aircraft flies away.



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7639 posts, RR: 18
Reply 111, posted (12 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 32714 times:

So are all the terrible teens delivered? Or still going through change/rework?


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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31055 posts, RR: 87
Reply 112, posted (12 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 32639 times:
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Quoting PHX787 (Reply 111):
So are all the terrible teens delivered? Or still going through change/rework?

All of them are still in storage or change incorporation.


User currently offlinestarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1126 posts, RR: 2
Reply 113, posted (12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 31929 times:

How long has LN6 been in rework? Is it really being done?

And what did happen with the Air India jet in the EMC? That tweet references structural damage to the wing.



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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3575 posts, RR: 27
Reply 114, posted (12 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 31851 times:
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Quoting starrion (Reply 113):
And what did happen with the Air India jet in the EMC?

We will probably never know the cause, damage, or status .. only the day it either rolls out or is scrapped. Nothing inside is public information and other than a Safety and Health (OSHA/WHSA) investigation for safety compliance no regulatory agencies will be involved. Prepare to be frustrated.


User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1601 posts, RR: 8
Reply 115, posted (12 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 31687 times:

JAL ZA175 (20) filed for a B-1:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE175

GUN ZA382 (43) filed for an EWA(?):
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE382


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11818 posts, RR: 33
Reply 116, posted (12 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 31609 times:

Air India VT-ANO (LN91) delivery flight:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...0/history/20131004/2220Z/KCHS/EDDF



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5772 posts, RR: 47
Reply 117, posted (12 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 31598 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 115):
GUN ZA382 (43) filed for an EWA(?):http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE382

Matt Cawby says it's a C-1 flight:


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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5518 posts, RR: 6
Reply 118, posted (12 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 31507 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 116):
Air India VT-ANO (LN91) delivery flight:

All it took was one more joke, I guess.  


User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5772 posts, RR: 47
Reply 119, posted (12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 31400 times:

ZA562 going up on its second flight, I wonder if this is a customer flight?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE562



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11818 posts, RR: 33
Reply 120, posted (12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 31391 times:

I wonder how much this will impact the deliveries in CHS:

http://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/386180332535705600

Quote:
Boeing in SC assembles 787s, but doesn't have authority from the FAA for airworthiness tickets. FAA furloughs may delay SC 787 deliveries.



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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1601 posts, RR: 8
Reply 121, posted (12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 31254 times:

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 117):
Matt Cawby says it's a C-1 flight:


China Southern 787 B-2727 just left on a C1 flight
— Paine Airport (@mattcawby) October 4, 2013


Maybe later this afternoon but not on a 45 minute KPAE/KPAE.

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 119):
ZA562 going up on its second flight, I wonder if this is a customer flight?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE562


Customer flight -- yes, but this will be it's fourth flight (B-1,B-2,EWA)


User currently offlineWarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 592 posts, RR: 3
Reply 122, posted (12 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 31240 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 116):
Air India VT-ANO (LN91) delivery flight:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A.../EDDF

Is the stopover in Germany due to customs? I thought with the reopening of the main runway at KCHS that AI delivery flights from KCHS would be able to tank enough fuel for a direct flight to India.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11818 posts, RR: 33
Reply 123, posted (12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 31220 times:

I too was surprised to see a stop in FRA. Perhaps they will pick up some cargo?


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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5772 posts, RR: 47
Reply 124, posted (12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 31189 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 121):

Customer flight -- yes, but this will be it's fourth flight (B-1,B-2,EWA)

Oops, my mistake, yes this is it's fourth flight. Hopefully delivery is right around the corner.



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User currently offlinePygmalion From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 966 posts, RR: 38
Reply 125, posted (12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 31069 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 107):
Quoting kanban (Reply 103):
The problem I would see with moving the planes is all the technical/supporting data would be in Charleston.. and any designee here would would want to have access.

I can see that being a sticking point. Hopefully it does not resort to that. I expect this to be over shortly.

tortugamon

All Boeing build/design records are digital and available anywhere

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 120):
I wonder how much this will impact the deliveries in CHS:

http://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/386180332535705600

Quote:
Boeing in SC assembles 787s, but doesn't have authority from the FAA for airworthiness tickets. FAA furloughs may delay SC 787 deliveries.


They already found away through it and are ticketing airplanes.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 123):
I too was surprised to see a stop in FRA. Perhaps they will pick up some cargo?

Flight Crew or Ground crew training opportunity perhaps?


User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3575 posts, RR: 27
Reply 126, posted (12 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 30984 times:
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Quoting Pygmalion (Reply 125):
All Boeing build/design records are digital and available anywhere

true however our government is slow to adopt many obvious benefits of electronic records and relies on "touch" as a failsafe.. that said a trained designee in Puget Sound would have had plenty of time now to get to Charleston to perform the "physical" obligations


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11818 posts, RR: 33
Reply 127, posted (12 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 31166 times:

I have two new line numbers:

> LN 187: BA G-ZBJG (cn 38614)
> LN 197: BA G-ZBJH (cn 38615)

[Edited 2013-10-04 13:30:11]


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11818 posts, RR: 33
Reply 128, posted (12 months 9 hours ago) and read 30123 times:

UA ZA292 was ferried to FTW for painting today.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...2/history/20131005/1630Z/KCHS/KFTW



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31055 posts, RR: 87
Reply 129, posted (12 months 8 hours ago) and read 29953 times:
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Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 122):
Is the stopover in Germany due to customs? I thought with the reopening of the main runway at KCHS that AI delivery flights from KCHS would be able to tank enough fuel for a direct flight to India.
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 123):
I too was surprised to see a stop in FRA. Perhaps they will pick up some cargo?

If I am recalling past posts correctly, AI has a technical facility at FRA so they fly the 787's there first before sending them on to India.


User currently offlineTK773ER From Australia, joined Jun 2010, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 130, posted (12 months 4 hours ago) and read 29590 times:

Does anyone here know when the third JQ 787 will be delivered ? looking at all things 787 it also seems to be VH-VKD what happend to C ?

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11818 posts, RR: 33
Reply 131, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 28999 times:

VH-VKC is already in use.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/VHVLC



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User currently offlineAirIndia111 From India, joined Aug 2013, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 132, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 28817 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 129):
If I am recalling past posts correctly, AI has a technical facility at FRA so they fly the 787's there first before sending them on to India.

But VT-ANN flew nonstop to DEL from PAE.


User currently offlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 624 posts, RR: 3
Reply 133, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 28608 times:

Nice 3 minute accelerated video of the first Jetstar 787 going through assembly.
http://www.ausbt.com.au/video-watch-...oeing-787-being-built-in-3-minutes
Cheers
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User currently offlinefreqflyer From India, joined Apr 2006, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 134, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 27796 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 102):
Just saw this tweet from Matt:

Quote:
More on hydraulic leak in EMC last week hydraulic line in Air India 787 exploded according to source serious structural wing damage

Does anyone know more about this??
Quoting starrion (Reply 113):
And what did happen with the Air India jet in the EMC? That tweet references structural damage to the wing.

Is there still no further info on this? Reg/ Line No?


User currently offlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 624 posts, RR: 3
Reply 135, posted (11 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 27311 times:

The clock is starting to tick pretty fast on the two Aeromexico frames on the flightline.
> N964AM is due to begin flights to TIJ-NRT a week from today (Oct 14th) so needs to get delivered in the next day or so to get commissioned in MEX ahead of deployment
> N965AM is due to begin flights to CDG a little more than 2 weeks from now (Oct 24th) so needs to start flying ASAP to get delivered before the end of next week
Alternatively, the EIS schedules need to be pushed out.
Something's got to give...
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User currently offlineBAeRJ100 From Australia, joined Nov 2011, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 136, posted (11 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 27319 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 131):
VH-VKC is already in use.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/VHVLC

That link is for a VH-VLC, not VKC.


User currently offlinedan23 From Australia, joined Jun 2005, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 137, posted (11 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 27303 times:

Quoting BAeRJ100 (Reply 136):

Yes but it is correct that VH-VKC is already in use and not available to Jetstar


User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5518 posts, RR: 6
Reply 138, posted (11 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 26884 times:

ZA382 (CZ LN43) up for what looks like a real C-1 this time.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...2/history/20131007/1500Z/KPAE/KMWH


User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1824 posts, RR: 0
Reply 139, posted (11 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 26855 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 138):
ZA382 (CZ LN43) up for what looks like a real C-1 this time.

They have an amazing livery on their 787s, they should put it on all their aircraft.


User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1601 posts, RR: 8
Reply 140, posted (11 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 26788 times:

Quoting seabosdca (Reply 138):
ZA382 (CZ LN43) up for what looks like a real C-1 this time.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B.../KMWH


  


And AMX ZA562 (122) out for A C-2 after a partial C-1 on Friday:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE562


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11818 posts, RR: 33
Reply 141, posted (11 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 26455 times:

Jetstar VH-VKA is on its way to Melbourne.

http://fr24.com/JST7878



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11818 posts, RR: 33
Reply 142, posted (11 months 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 26266 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 141):
Jetstar VH-VKA is on its way to Melbourne.

Picture before (or after?) the delivery ceremony started:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BV_AmDFCEAA1XSv.jpg:large

http://twitter.com/AusBT/status/387239853277974529/photo/1

[Edited 2013-10-07 13:04:24]


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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1601 posts, RR: 8
Reply 143, posted (11 months 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 25711 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 140):
And AMX ZA562 (122) out for A C-2 after a partial C-1 on Friday


Followed by a C-3 this evening:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE562


User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2424 posts, RR: 1
Reply 144, posted (11 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 25458 times:

Just noticed this tweet from Matt Cawby:

Quote:
Heard there was a Boeing AOG shipment from PAE to LHR on Monday maybe for Ethiopian 787 ET-AOP?
http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/387360481003855873



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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3575 posts, RR: 27
Reply 145, posted (11 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 25268 times:
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Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 144):
Quote:
Heard there was a Boeing AOG shipment from PAE to LHR on Monday maybe for Ethiopian 787 ET-AOP?

Odd.. AOG shipments go through SEA.. never PAE..


User currently offlineje89_w From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 2361 posts, RR: 9
Reply 146, posted (11 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 24761 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 141):
Jetstar VH-VKA is on its way to Melbourne.

VH-VKA stopped in HNL on delivery and is scheduled to depart at 05:40 LT with estimated arrival into MEL at 12:40 LT.

Some pictures here: http://hnlrarebirds.blogspot.sg/2013...rways-787-8-dreamliner-vh-vka.html

My feeling is that the subsequent delivery flights will go nonstop.


User currently offlineWarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 592 posts, RR: 3
Reply 147, posted (11 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 24769 times:

Quoting kanban (Reply 145):
Odd.. AOG shipments go through SEA.. never PAE..

Why do AOG shipments go through SEA? To piggyback on a commercial flight?

Might ET-AOP be a solid exception given the extent of damage and frame type? Could warrant a special charter.

[Edited 2013-10-08 07:32:30]


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User currently offlineWarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 592 posts, RR: 3
Reply 148, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 23462 times:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE563

Looks like a B-1 for Aeromexico LN127/ZA563.

October production testing and deliveries appear to be waaaay better than September's at this point.



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User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3575 posts, RR: 27
Reply 149, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 23389 times:
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Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 147):
Why do AOG shipments go through SEA? To piggyback on a commercial flight?

Boeing's spares stores are located there just off the North end of the runway along with repair kitting, repair tooling..
Yes for most AOG shipments they use commercial shipping from there.

Some people are fantasizing about Boeing cutting apart an early bird and shipping an aft body section.. remote possibility.. however if they were to replace the aft body, they would get a new one from Charleston.

one thing to consider is the added weight of a structural repair using a replacement section vs a composite repair that is localized.


User currently offlineual747-600 From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 583 posts, RR: 0
Reply 150, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 23358 times:

Probably a bit off topic but I recently read the article below about Boeing's 787 Operations Control Center that states all 787 flights are monitored in this center. With 92 787s now delivered and most in-service, they must be accumulating tons of data and identifying problematic areas/parts that need re-design. My question is has this process already led to some parts being re-designed and how do they incorporate these changes to delivered aircraft and those on the line?

http://www.npr.org/2013/08/08/209817...-boeing-is-watching-its-every-move

Thanks,

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User currently offline7BOEING7 From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1601 posts, RR: 8
Reply 151, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 23307 times:

And after an attempt last Friday and again yesterday AIN ZA235 (32) is filed for a B-1 again today:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE235


User currently offlinekanban From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 3575 posts, RR: 27
Reply 152, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 23344 times:
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Quoting ual747-600 (Reply 150):
My question is has this process already led to some parts being re-designed and how do they incorporate these changes to delivered aircraft and those on the line?

Probably many changes have been both proposed and incorporated.

The process usually involves the Warranty Board, design engineering which determines which items and updates need attention and if retro fit is recommended (there is a subset of who pays - customer or Boeing). Then a proposal is sent out to the Change Boards which then program commitment milestones from engineering release through parts availability, to in-sequence incorporation. They also get commitments for out of sequence incorporation if deemed necessary and retro fit kit availability. Some retro fit may be mandatory, some recommended, some totally customer option.

The end result is every plane coming off the line is different and every delivered plane is different from th. "as delivered" configuration. The Spares Dept. faces a tough decision.. they must decide if the new is a direct interchangeable replacement, not interchangeable, or interchangeable together with additions parts and modifications. Also at what level is the new change not interchangeable.. such as a landing gear bogie assembly might be interchangeable at the attach point, but might use an axle that is not retrofittable in an older bogie.


User currently offlineWarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 592 posts, RR: 3
Reply 153, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 23346 times:

Quoting 7BOEING7 (Reply 151):
And after an attempt last Friday and again yesterday AIN ZA235 (32) is filed for a B-1 again today:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE235

And...Matt Cawby just tweeted that it did a taxi test and is now headed back to the ramp!



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User currently offlineStitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 31055 posts, RR: 87
Reply 154, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 23378 times:
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Quoting ual747-600 (Reply 150):
My question is has this process already led to some parts being re-designed and how do they incorporate these changes to delivered aircraft and those on the line?

Per media reports, Boeing has redesigned a number of (unidentified) parts for the 787-9 and they are being incorporated into current-build 787-8s.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11818 posts, RR: 33
Reply 155, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 22918 times:

Quoting WarpSpeed (Reply 153):
And...Matt Cawby just tweeted that it did a taxi test and is now headed back to the ramp!

Airborne now.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...5/history/20131009/2200Z/KPAE/KMWH



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11818 posts, RR: 33
Reply 156, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 22377 times:

ZB002 is at the fuel dock.


Around KPAE 10-9-13 by moonm, on Flickr



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11818 posts, RR: 33
Reply 157, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 21990 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 155):
Airborne now.

For some reason, ZA235 never made it to MWH and flew directly back to PAE, although the whole flight lasted almost 2 hours.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11818 posts, RR: 33
Reply 158, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 22042 times:

Two new deliveries:

LAN LN113:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/L...7/history/20131010/2030Z/KCHS/SCEL

CSN LN43:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/C...7/history/20131010/1700Z/KPAE/ZBTJ



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User currently offlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 624 posts, RR: 3
Reply 159, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 21980 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 156):

ZB002 is at the fuel dock.

Hasn't it been there for over a week already?!?

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 158):

Two new deliveries:
LAN LN113:

The timing of this delivery can be explained partly by this:
http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-ne...oeing-gets-back-its-faa-inspectors

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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5772 posts, RR: 47
Reply 160, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 21914 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 157):
For some reason, ZA235 never made it to MWH and flew directly back to PAE, although the whole flight lasted almost 2 hours.

It'll probably fly a B-2.



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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2713 posts, RR: 1
Reply 161, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 21812 times:

Nice to see so many deliveries out of Charleston, big month for Charleston!

Also, nice to see so much activity for the early birds, 43, 20, 32, especially 43, poor guy almost made his year anniversary for his first flight...

And also the Chinese & Air India backlogs seem to be diminishing...


User currently offlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 624 posts, RR: 3
Reply 162, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 21755 times:

Is it time to start the wagers on who's going to get the 100th 787 delivery?!?
We're at 94 as of now so if we're lucky we may even get it by the end of this month.
Candidates list: A7-BCF (Qatar), N964AM (ILFC/Aeromexico), B-2726 (China Southern), JA-821J (JAL), VT-ANG (Air India), N965AM (ILFC/Aeromexico), V8-DLB (Royal Brunei), B-2730 (Hainan Airlines) and N27908 (United Airlines).
I'll pick United Airlines just for kicks.
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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11818 posts, RR: 33
Reply 163, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 21707 times:

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 162):
Is it time to start the wagers on who's going to get the 100th 787 delivery?!?

I would expect ANA to get the honor but I doubt CHS can get JA824A ready in time.



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User currently offlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5518 posts, RR: 6
Reply 164, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 21607 times:

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 162):
Is it time to start the wagers on who's going to get the 100th 787 delivery?!?

I expect we won't have to wait that long for the two AM birds or the Qatar bird. On the other hand I expect we'll be waiting substantially longer than that on AI.

CZ, Hainan, UA, and JAL are all good candidates. JAL would be a nice gesture to show that the Airbus order doesn't mean the end of the long JAL/Boeing relationship.

[Edited 2013-10-10 07:43:38]

[Edited 2013-10-10 07:44:51]

User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5772 posts, RR: 47
Reply 165, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 21551 times:

If the US Govt. shutdown continues than I would discount the possibility of any US carriers or lessors being #100 due to the fact that the FAA office in Oklahoma City that processes the title transfer and aircraft registration is still closed thus halting deliveries to US-based owners.

The 100th delivery will be a foreign carrier not taking any aircraft from ILFC this month.



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User currently offlinepdxswa From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 87 posts, RR: 0
Reply 166, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 21545 times:
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Royal Brunei's second Boeing 787-8 basking in the late afternoon sunshine at PAE.


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11818 posts, RR: 33
Reply 167, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 21258 times:

Quoting United787 (Reply 161):
especially 43, poor guy almost made his year anniversary for his first flight...

  Here's a picture of the poor guy at the delivery center, being prepared for its delivery flight:


China Southern's latest 787 by DearEdward, on Flickr



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User currently offline817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2424 posts, RR: 1
Reply 168, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 21260 times:

Here's a nice photo from Matt Cawby of ZB001 landing at PAE yesterday:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/10181701103/



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User currently offlineUnited787 From United States of America, joined May 2005, 2713 posts, RR: 1
Reply 169, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 21227 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 167):
Here's a picture of the poor guy at the delivery center, being prepared for its delivery flight:

Now I don't feel sorry for him, SHE looks awesome! Great photo!


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Reply 170, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 21225 times:

Best 787 livery yet IMO, stunning!

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11818 posts, RR: 33
Reply 171, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 21187 times:

Quoting sweair (Reply 170):
Best 787 livery yet IMO, stunning!

Than you sure must love this picture:


B-2732 China Southern 787 landing at London Heathrow. First visit by nustyR AirTeamImages, on Flickr



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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3448 posts, RR: 10
Reply 172, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 21123 times:

Quoting sweair (Reply 170):
Best 787 livery yet IMO, stunning!

CZ and Jetstar are my favorites.

Think we will see ZB002 in the air next week?

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User currently offlineWarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 592 posts, RR: 3
Reply 173, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 20861 times:

Quoting Stitch (Reply 154):
Per media reports, Boeing has redesigned a number of (unidentified) parts for the 787-9 and they are being incorporated into current-build 787-8s.

This is good news. Do you think the improvements are limited to "parts" and does not include the major structural redesigns (i.e. more than "parts" incorporation) heralded for the -9? Seems like a production block change will be in order to incorporate these into the -8. Timing = post -9 certification? It will be interesting to see where the -8 "weighs in" when all improvements are factored into a finished frame. At original spec? Below?

Quoting kanban (Reply 152):
Probably many changes have been both proposed and incorporated.
.......
The end result is every plane coming off the line is different and every delivered plane is different from th. "as delivered" configuration. The Spares Dept. faces a tough decision.. they must decide if the new is a direct interchangeable replacement, not interchangeable, or interchangeable together with additions parts and modifications. Also at what level is the new change not interchangeable.. such as a landing gear bogie assembly might be interchangeable at the attach point, but might use an axle that is not retrofittable in an older bogie.

This is the kind of post I live for because it provides a real world understanding of the aircraft industry that I don't have. Thanks!

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 171):
Than you sure must love this picture:

Awesome photo. Looks like one of those "artist renditions" sometimes published by the air-framers.



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