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AA To Start 777-300ER On MIA-LHR  
User currently offlinemiaami From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 579 posts, RR: 0
Posted (11 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9557 times:

According to AA. com. AA updated their schedules over night to include the upgage of 1 of the 2 MIA-LHR flights to 777-300. Flight 56 will now operate with a 777-300 effective Jan 2014.

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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8341 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (11 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9563 times:
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Lets hope so, DFW, LAX & JFK already have AA 777-300ER flights. Miami always seems to be last to get the new jets at AA.

User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17065 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (11 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9519 times:

Hardly a good upgrade for passenger travelling in Y. However, the premium cabins should be better on the 77W.


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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3197 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (11 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 9520 times:

Great add for both AA and MIA. I was just going through my flight stats, and 28.3% of all my flying has been on AA, I remember being in a new 777 AA received not a month or so before, it was a LGW-DFW flight, what a take off that was, a new experience and very enjoyable in my seat 10A, very nice day that May 7th 1999 .... It was the dawn of the 777 with AA.


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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11559 posts, RR: 62
Reply 4, posted (11 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9400 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 1):
Miami always seems to be last to get the new jets at AA.

... and yet in this case MIA (and LAX, and JFK, and DFW) will be getting a new airplane before ORD. So I guess MIA isn't always last.  

Good news for MIA - which just continues to grow and expand for AA. (Quite impressive.) Putting a 77W on MIA-LHR makes sense, as it's a market that definitely generates F demand, and offers immense connectivity at both ends of the route. I do expect that at some point AA will likely put at least 1 77W on ORD-LHR as well (probably 86/87). That is definitely a market that warrants at least some F capacity, and I cannot see AA handing all of its F traffic on that route to BA once the 777s are reconfigured to JY. (Perhaps what might ultimately make sense is swapping a 77W between the two markets depending on season - on ORD-LHR in the summer and MIA-LHR in the winter.)


User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9780 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (11 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8990 times:

This has been discussed in a past thread already so it's pretty old news now  

Good to see the AA 77W in MIA too 

A388


User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4454 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (11 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8734 times:

Quoting A388 (Reply 5):
This has been discussed in a past thread already so it's pretty old news now

How could it have been discussed in a past thread if they just loaded it into the schedule? Maybe AA's intention to put the 77W on MIA-LHR-MIA was discussed, but this is "new news" and deserves it's own topic.

I'm looking forward to seeing that beautiful plane fly by my house each day, and am happy it's going to start in just a few more months!


User currently onlineMiami From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 1035 posts, RR: 47
Reply 7, posted (11 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8638 times:
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AA took out the scheduled 77W on MIA-LHR. Guess they put it back online. Great news!


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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7475 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (11 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8598 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 4):
I cannot see AA handing all of its F traffic on that route to BA

Does it actually make any difference which airline's metal is used or how it is configured?

I was under the impression from the AA/BA/IB presentation in May 2010 that AA and BA would share all costs and all revenue on all their trans-Atlantic flights between the USA and the UK an d 15 per cent of the costs an d revenue on all "behind and beyond" co0de share flights. If this is correct BA would get half the revenue and pay half the costs of all AA MIA-LHR flights whether or not they use a 77W configured with an F Class cabin. Likewise AA would equally share the costs and revenue obtained by the twice daily BA 744 flights all of which are configured with 14 F Class seats.

Check out Slides 71, 105 and in particular 128 (titled "Revenue Sharing Principles) and 129 (titled "Revenue Sharing Illustration") in the 2010 presentation here:

http://media.corporate-ir.net/media_.../01_ID_2010_Full_presentations.pdf


User currently onlineMiami From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 1035 posts, RR: 47
Reply 9, posted (11 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8521 times:
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I can confirm for AA that yes AA will indeed start from January 1st on a 77W on MIA-LHR route.


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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11559 posts, RR: 62
Reply 10, posted (11 months 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 8437 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 8):
Does it actually make any difference which airline's metal is used or how it is configured?

It does matter to customers to one extent: upgrades. AA has the most generous complimentary systemwide upgrade (SWU) system for top-tier elite frequent flyers of any major airline in the U.S., but those SWUs are not - at least as of now - usable on BA, only AA metal. As such, if AA were to entirely eliminate F on the ORD-LHR route, there would likely be some unhappy premium customers who may even switch to UA because of the inability to use their SWUs to LHR.

Beyond that, though - I think the bigger reason why I see AA putting a 77W on at least one of the ORD-LHR flights (again, I think 86/87 most likely) is because this really is a major business market with a fair amount of paid premium cabin demand. It's not JFK-LHR, of course, but ORD is one of the principal business markets in North America.


User currently offlineaacun From Mexico, joined Jan 2004, 525 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (11 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8347 times:
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Training was assigned to flight attendants starting in october so it was obvious that the airplane was coming. Think i heard its going to GRU soon as well.

User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11559 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (11 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8245 times:

Quoting aacun (Reply 11):
Think i heard its going to GRU soon as well.

Makes sense. GRU and EZE both make sense for the 77W out of MIA.


User currently offlinepar13del From Bahamas, joined Dec 2005, 7146 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (11 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8161 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 8):
Does it actually make any difference which airline's metal is used or how it is configured?

As mentioned it works for the FF program and since they got the a/c and they have union agreements in place to fly the things they may as well go somewhere, its a long range a/c with good capacity so domestic is secondary, they gotta find some international routes.
Heck in December they can bring it to NAS for a turn, we do have traffic that connects to LHR but for our xmas shopping I'm sure we would full the cargo hold, Eagle RJ's have issues  


User currently offlineLONGisland89 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8119 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 6):
How could it have been discussed in a past thread if they just loaded it into the schedule? Maybe AA's intention to put the 77W on MIA-LHR-MIA was discussed, but this is "new news" and deserves it's own topic.

B77W on MIA-LHR has been loaded since mid August. And yes, it was discussed in another thread.


User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8093 posts, RR: 54
Reply 15, posted (11 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8119 times:

Good to see, and logical - it's a busy route with great yields year-round. BA's 2x 747 flights are full every night, every flight out of MIA. Forget upgrades, the premium cabins are booked solid with revenue pax.


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User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 16, posted (11 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8089 times:

Quoting LONGisland89 (Reply 14):
B77W on MIA-LHR has been loaded since mid August. And yes, it was discussed in another thread.

I was loaded a while ago, but then removed from GDS. It is now re-loaded.

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 15):
BA's 2x 747 flights are full every night, every flight out of MIA.

Small correction, as BA is 18x weekly.



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User currently offlineLONGisland89 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (11 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8019 times:

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 16):
I was loaded a while ago, but then removed from GDS. It is now re-loaded.

Ah, okay. Similar to LGA-LIT I guess, except that never came back.


User currently offlinebmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2263 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (11 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7936 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 15):
BA's 2x 747 flights are full every night,

Just to wonder with Oneworld codesharing, can AA fill 77Ws on MIA-LHR?



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User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (11 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7938 times:

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 18):
Just to wonder with Oneworld codesharing, can AA fill 77Ws on MIA-LHR?

Why couldn't AA fill 77Ws on one of the world's most traveled trans-Atlantic routes?



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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4454 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (11 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6182 times:

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 19):
Why couldn't AA fill 77Ws on one of the world's most traveled trans-Atlantic routes?

But you didn't really answer his question. It's not like AA 56/57 are always going out full. It's a valid question.


User currently offlinedoulasc From United States of America, joined Dec 2011, 530 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6098 times:

Is it true that AA will not have first class on their 777-200ERs only Business and Coach class.But their 777-300ER will have all three class of service?

User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5455 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (11 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 6059 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 8):
Does it actually make any difference which airline's metal is used or how it is configured?

I've asked this before, and apparently a lot of corporate contracts are metal specific, i.e. the "contract price" is only applicable on AA flights.



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User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8341 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (11 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5998 times:
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Quoting bmacleod (Reply 18):
Just to wonder with Oneworld codesharing, can AA fill 77Ws on MIA-LHR?

AA has 2 777 plus the 2 BA 744''s. sure they can fill it.


User currently offlineMIADeparture From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 8 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (11 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5262 times:

Can't wait to clear this beauty for takeoff!!!!

User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7147 posts, RR: 9
Reply 25, posted (11 months 5 days ago) and read 5310 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 20):
It's not like AA 56/57 are always going out full. It's a valid question.

No flight on this planet goes out full every flight. MIA-LHR is the biggest international market from MIA and one of the most traveled Trans-Atlantic routes there are.

Quoting doulasc (Reply 21):
Is it true that AA will not have first class on their 777-200ERs only Business and Coach class.But their 777-300ER will have all three class of service?

That is the plan. Yes.

Quoting bmacleod (Reply 18):

Just to wonder with Oneworld codesharing, can AA fill 77Ws on MIA-LHR?

Yes. If BA can fly 18 flights a week between MIA and LHR, VS is daily on a 744 and AA is 2 daily I think they can fill a 77W.



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User currently offlineSkyBird77 From United States of America, joined Sep 2013, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 26, posted (11 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3626 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 6):
I'm looking forward to seeing that beautiful plane fly by my house each day, and am happy it's going to start in just a few more months!

   Can't wait to see it pass by my house on the downwind leg to the 8's or 9. Now, if we can only get a 787 to visit MIA (aside from the Thomson that fly over us when routed over South Florida operating the to/from Cancun and the United Kingdom flights).


User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8341 posts, RR: 7
Reply 27, posted (11 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 3664 times:
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Quoting SkyBird77 (Reply 26):
Can't wait to see it pass by my house on the downwind leg to the 8's or 9. Now, if we can only get a 787 to visit MIA (aside from the Thomson that fly over us when routed over South Florida operating the to/from Cancun and the United Kingdom flights).

Norwegian is supposed to start FLL with a 787 this fall, but with all the problems they are having with their new 787 who knows ?


User currently offlineSkyBird77 From United States of America, joined Sep 2013, 84 posts, RR: 0
Reply 28, posted (11 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3565 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 27):
Norwegian is supposed to start FLL with a 787 this fall, but with all the problems they are having with their new 787 who knows ?

Let's hope Boeing can resolve those issues! Had forgotten about the 787 to FLL, so I just need to drive 30 additional miles to see one up closer!


User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2358 posts, RR: 1
Reply 29, posted (11 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 3375 times:

So what route gets that 772 that is being replaced by the 77W? Will it be replacing a 763 somewhere?


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User currently offlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4454 posts, RR: 7
Reply 30, posted (11 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 3298 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 25):
Yes. If BA can fly 18 flights a week between MIA and LHR, VS is daily on a 744 and AA is 2 daily I think they can fill a 77W.

VS has downsized to an A330.

It's not a given that AA can fill (profitably) a 77W on MIA-LHR.


User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7147 posts, RR: 9
Reply 31, posted (11 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3154 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 30):
VS has downsized to an A330.

Some days its an A330 some days its a 744

Quoting N62NA (Reply 30):
It's not a given that AA can fill (profitably) a 77W on MIA-LHR.

Nothing is a given. I think most people will agree AA can make MIA-LHR work fairly well with a 777W. It is a market which demands plenty of premium seating. BA has been filling two 747-400 for years now.



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User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 32, posted (11 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3151 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 30):
It's not a given that AA can fill (profitably) a 77W on MIA-LHR.

It pretty much is a given that AA can fill a 77W on what is traditionally one of it's top three performing trans-Atlantic routes.



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User currently offlineOB1504 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 3332 posts, RR: 9
Reply 33, posted (11 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3036 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 8):
I was under the impression from the AA/BA/IB presentation in May 2010 that AA and BA would share all costs and all revenue on all their trans-Atlantic flights between the USA and the UK an d 15 per cent of the costs an d revenue on all "behind and beyond" co0de share flights. If this is correct BA would get half the revenue and pay half the costs of all AA MIA-LHR flights whether or not they use a 77W configured with an F Class cabin. Likewise AA would equally share the costs and revenue obtained by the twice daily BA 744 flights all of which are configured with 14 F Class seats.

Correct. I recall once reading that IB's most profitable trans-Atlantic route is LHR-JFK, which they don't fly with their own metal at all.

Quoting flymia (Reply 31):
Some days its an A330 some days its a 744

744 on weekends, seasonal downgrade because September/October is slow. Other Euorpean airlines have similarly downsized and some have even cut frequency.


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