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Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 7  
User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 25
Posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 12461 times:
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Due to the length of part 6, part 7 has been created. Please feel free to continue to contribute to the discussion.

Phoenix Aviation Thread Part 6 (by iowaman Jun 5 2013 in Civil Aviation)


Have fun!

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User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 12346 times:

Quoting PHX787 ():
So any updates on the T3N gates? I heard they're doing maintenance on it now in anticipation of the HA move!

NK is going to use gate 25 after the move from IWA. B6 will be moving from gate 5 on the south side to 26 on the north side, leaving HA as the only occupant of gate 5. And SY will likely move to the south side as well. With these moves I could see HA staying on the south side for the time being.



Allons-y!
User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 12326 times:

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 1):
NK is going to use gate 25 after the move from IWA

   That is correct Sir, The old NW offices and podium at the gate are being remodeled as we speak.

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 1):
B6 will be moving from gate 5 on the south side to 26 on the north side

  

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 1):
And SY will likely move to the south side as well

They will be moving to gate 9 is what I heard but that could always change.

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 1):
With these moves I could see HA staying on the south side for the time being.

HA is the whole reason B6 is moving. DL TechOps got rewarded the contract for HA to perform heavy duty checks nightly. HA had to adjust their schedule which affects B6.

As on news of Gate 24, The gate works and DL will possibly using it for RON aircraft that will get towed off later because NK and B6 will also get priority use of that gate from 2300 to 0230



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User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1205 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12212 times:

From the previous thread...

Quoting chrisair:
Every time I asked last year they said T3 wasn't due for it. T2 was the one where it was promised (the signs were up and everything) but went away because UA "didn't want to pay for it" or something.

That's a new one! I've now heard six or seven different reasons for why it didn't happen before. As with most things when it comes to TSA: Who the hell really knows why?!

If PreCheck really does come to T2, then I'm happy. I think that logistically it will be tough in T3 since the checkpoints are pretty cramped as it is.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 4, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 12164 times:

I wish the mods would email me when a new thread is created but oh well


It looks like T3 is going to be a huge shakeup by the time i return back to PHX. My next trip seems to be sometime in March.


Are those QF charters still scheduled?



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User currently online93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 418 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 12031 times:

What's going on here?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8606

Sun Country 737-800 flying HNL to IWA


User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 12027 times:

Quoting 93Sierra (Reply 5):

What's going on here?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SCX8606

Sun Country 737-800 flying HNL to IWA

Department of Corrections charter.



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User currently offlineSevensixtyseven From United States of America, joined May 2011, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 11946 times:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...1/history/20130929/0400Z/KBFI/KTUS

Anyone care to speculate on this one? It continued onto PHX as this...

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...7/history/20130929/0738Z/KTUS/KPHX



Will that ex-HP 752 get delayed...again?
User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 8, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 11944 times:

Quoting Sevensixtyseven (Reply 7):

Can confirm this happened, watched it coming in at work in TUS, shocked to see a mainline, thought it was a diversion. It landed, went to the gate and literally turned around to go take off back to Phoenix. Did not sit at the gate very long at all.



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User currently offlineSiouxATC From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 385 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11929 times:

Quoting Sevensixtyseven (Reply 7):
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...1/history/20130929/0400Z/KBFI/KTUS

Anyone care to speculate on this one? It continued onto PHX as this...

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A.../KPHX
Quoting Sevensixtyseven (Reply 7):

Can confirm this happened, watched it coming in at work in TUS, shocked to see a mainline, thought it was a diversion. It landed, went to the gate and literally turned around to go take off back to Phoenix. Did not sit at the gate very long at all.

U of A played UW in Seattle.


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11917 times:

Quoting SiouxATC (Reply 9):

U of A played UW in Seattle.

Quite the irony to fly an Airbus out of Boeing Field!  



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 11, posted (11 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 11850 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 6):
Department of Corrections charter.

They charter Sun Country now, huh? Nice flight for those jailbirds  
Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 10):
Quite the irony to fly an Airbus out of Boeing Field!

Haaa that is hilarious. I can just imagine those Boeing engineers glaring at the Airbus taxiing by  



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User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 11810 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 11):
They charter Sun Country now, huh? Nice flight for those jailbirds

They used SY for this flight because their 737s are ETOPS rated and can do HNL-IWA, Falcon only operates MD-80s which can't do that flight. They have used SY off and on in the past for these services. Falcon and Ryan are the primary operators for the DOJ flights though.



Allons-y!
User currently offlinechrisair From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 2114 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11783 times:

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 3):
I think that logistically it will be tough in T3 since the checkpoints are pretty cramped as it is.

Just went through T3 on Monday. They've redone the security setup now--the priority line is against the east wall. According to the TSA person there, they hope to have PreCheck up and running by Oct. 31. Supposedly they moved the priority line to accommodate it.


User currently online93Sierra From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 418 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11767 times:

I had no idea of the large size of the Republic and Sun Country operations at Laughlin.

http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KIFP

Arrivals from Gateway, Tulsa, Kansas City, Seattle, Fort Collins, Grand Forks all on 738s and E190s


User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1205 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 11731 times:

Quoting chrisair (Reply 13):
Just went through T3 on Monday. They've redone the security setup now--the priority line is against the east wall. According to the TSA person there, they hope to have PreCheck up and running by Oct. 31. Supposedly they moved the priority line to accommodate it.

Glad to hear it! Thanks for the update. Hopefully the same progress has been made in T2...I haven't flown in a few weeks, but I'm flying about 60k in the next two months from T2 so PreCheck will be much appreciated sooner than later.

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 12):
They have used SY off and on in the past for these services.

Exactly. This isn't a new thing. I've seen SY charters for DOJ and others from IWA at least a half dozen times in the past few years, and that's just from what I've personally seen. AZDOC houses a huge number of inmates from Hawaii under contract, so one could assume this has something to so with it.


User currently offlineinfiniti329 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 11717 times:

Was there a United plane at KIWA today 10/03/13? I seen it takeoff around 2:30 PM, looked like widebody? Any info would appreciated.

User currently offlinetreebeard787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 659 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11682 times:

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 16):

Was there a United plane at KIWA today 10/03/13? I seen it takeoff around 2:30 PM, looked like widebody? Any info would appreciated.


Yes, it was a 762 in UA colors doing touch and go's. it's back at GYR now.



Allons-y!
User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1205 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11684 times:

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 16):

Was there a United plane at KIWA today 10/03/13? I seen it takeoff around 2:30 PM, looked like widebody? Any info would appreciated.

There's nothing on a Flight Aware. The closest thing I can find around then is an Allegiant A319.


User currently offlinedlramp4life From United States of America, joined Jun 2011, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 11683 times:

Quoting infiniti329 (Reply 16):

I saw it also, I had to do a double take because it was doing touch and go's



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User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1205 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 11644 times:

Nice! Hopefully it'll find a new home?

User currently offlinePSAJet17 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 336 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 11635 times:

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 18):
There's nothing on a Flight Aware.

IWA was never a destination or origination of the United 762 since it was only doing touch and go's. The only thing you might have seen on a flight tracking system was the United flight number doing a GYR-GYR flight.


User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1205 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11583 times:

Quoting PSAJet17 (Reply 21):

Yes, I inferred that from Treebeard's post...what I said was beaten out by 5 seconds so it became irrelevant as soon as it went up.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7560 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 11556 times:

Quoting treebeard787 (Reply 17):
Yes, it was a 762 in UA colors doing touch and go's. it's back at GYR now.

Wow I wonder who bought her....maybe a cargo airline?



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User currently offlineinfiniti329 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 667 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (11 months 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 11546 times:

Quoting dlramp4life (Reply 19):
I saw it also, I had to do a double take because it was doing touch and go's

I thought I was seeing things, glad I wasnt


25 Post contains links and images chrisair : Like this? http://flightaware.com/live/flight/U...7/history/20131003/2000Z/KGYR/KGYR
26 atcsundevil : They're still really young airplanes (less than 12 or 13 years old) so there should still plenty of life left in them before they'll end up with a ca
27 Post contains links treebeard787 : It's N69154, a 12 year old frame delivered to CO on 1/19/01. It will be going to UTAir and is flying GYR-MCO today. http://www.planespotters.net/Prod
28 Post contains links PHX787 : Cessna 340 Crashes North Of Prescott, AZ (by PSAJet17 Oct 4 2013 in Civil Aviation) Cessna down near Prescott
29 Post contains links 93Sierra : Speaking of Prescott, what's with the Mesa Crj 900 doing Phx-Prc-Phx? http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KPRC
30 atcsundevil : Looks like it was probably a mx test flight.
31 Post contains links and images aztrainer : Well, I saw that HA was at the Northern gates today. How long have they been over on the north side of T-3? HA-35 by aztrainer72, on Flickr[Edited 201
32 atcsundevil : I saw it at T3N this morning before I flew out of T2 and was wondering the same thing. I knew the change was coming but I didn't realize it was so so
33 dlramp4life : Very odd... With the recent gate change notices HA is staying on the south side while B6 moves to north side alongside NK. Usually HA will use 26 at
34 aztrainer : I figured that you would of been the one to know if this was the switch that was being touted for such a long time. If it is because of sky train, wo
35 dlramp4life : We were briefed last month about how NK and B6 will be taking over gates 25 and 26 on the north end. I am not really sure how Gate 5 works over on th
36 Post contains images PHX787 : She looks better over at North. You can grab a nice shot of Camelback in the background with her too I'm missing out on all the fun. It's been cloudy,
37 Post contains links and images Aztrainer : I was out again today and she was over on the North again. I agree that if DL is doing the checks than HA's gate should be to the north for the ease
38 Post contains links and images Aztrainer : I have a question for something I have seen twice in the past. Last summer and today there was a FX caravan that was behind a follow me truck. They ar
39 Post contains images mach2is2slowaz : Anyone know why SWA634 flight from DEN to PHX on 10/12 did this on final. It flew over my house in Chandler at about 5000 feet. on Oct 12th strange ap
40 PHX787 : He probably had an issue which he needed to run a quick checklist on.
41 Maverick623 : Likely a tower flyby for a landing gear inspection. The CFR trucks were staged for the flight; probably either a flat tire, brake indication, or gear
42 mach2is2slowaz : Thanks for the info! That is what I was thinking but I can't pick up PHX ground on my scanner from Chandler! At one point I thought that they were go
43 dlramp4life : It looks like HA has moved their operation to gate 24. 767 line along with A321 and A320 lines have been painted for use by B6 and NK if needed . The
44 Post contains links 4holer : What's up with the Coyotes charter planes? I'd thought that they had painted, and used an early 757, and the old 727 flown away to parts unknown, but
45 chrisair : PreCheck is open at T3N as well! Life is good! Hopefully DL and AS stay partners now.
46 dlramp4life : So Volaris started operations this week. Any word on how the first loads looked?
47 PHX787 : Most of the PHX Spotters are in LAX right now so I can't really ask them....does anyone have any photos of it?
48 je89_w : It went up to PRC for ERAU's OctoberWest event. It dwarfed every aircraft on the ERAU flight line.
49 treebeard787 : I have a picture posted on the spotters FB page. GDL-PHX will be 3x weekly and MEX-PHX starts on December 4th.
50 Post contains links aztrainer : Or the website also has a picture of it. http://phxspotters.com/forums/index....4.msg17027/topicseen.html#msg17027 I also know I seen another picture
51 Post contains links and images treebeard787 : My shot. Volaris A320 N511VL by KoryC757, on Flickr
52 aztrainer : I just saw that one today. Nice shot, but I always like more than one plane in each shot.
53 airportugal310 : No need to worry about the A330s anytime soon. PHX will be one of the last mainland stations to go 330, and the switch in Mx checks to be performed i
54 aztrainer : Yeah, I am not holding my breath on being on a HA 330 anytime soon. It amazes me that all of the times I have flowen on her how quickly it sells out.
55 sacampb : Their MX is over there but the park in the Northwest corner most days/nights as they aren't FX but a contractor.
56 93Sierra : Spirit started its PHX ops
57 dlramp4life : Thats today? On tuesday when I was up at gate 25 it looks like they were still getting the area ready, same with their offices.
58 Post contains links 93Sierra : http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region...sky-harbor-flight-takes-off-friday Started yesterday, more flights to begin in November. I know it's more GA re
59 PHX787 : Anyone on the ground with a photo? Or loads information?
60 PHX787 : Hey guys, quick question on the HA flight: How packed is it? Like, the Load factor? a friend of mine here in tokyo said they may give me a buddy pass
61 treebeard787 : I don't know the exact LF, but from what I hear it goes out quite full the majority of the time.
62 wn676 : HA's reported 2013 LF: HNL-PHX Jan / 86.9% Feb / 83.8% Mar / 90.3% Apr / 86.6% May / 85.6 % Jun / 86.0% Jul / 85.7% PHX-HNL Jan / 85.2% Feb / 83.4% Ma
63 aztrainer : Wn676 has the true datat, so mine is purely antidotial, but every time I have flown on her it has been totally full. That is/has been in October, Jun
64 Post contains links cageyjames : Phoenix Sky Harbor Airport Terminal 3 to expand; Terminal 2 will close http://www.azcentral.com/community/p...to-expand-terminal-will-close.html Well
65 wn676 : And since I have the table filtered, here's US's reported 2013 LF from the BTS site: HNL-PHX Jan / 92.4% Feb / 89.5 % Mar / 92.9% Apr / 96.2% May / 92
66 wn676 : Question for someone who hopefully knows...I've heard of a walkway T3 SkyTrain station to T2, but is that just going to utilize the existing walkway f
67 dlramp4life : Good to see this finally moving forward. I am not in the know but I think the existing walkway will be used since T3 will be undergoing a remodel so
68 atcsundevil : My understanding is that it is supposed to be a new-build moving walkway (not sure if it's outdoor covered or if it's enclosed). That's what the orig
69 dlramp4life : Heads up: DL will be sending a 739 to PHX on 11/5 and night time 11/6.
70 wn676 : I'm not over on that side often but it doesn't seem like anything is being built in terms of a new walkway. I'd be curious to know though how many pe
71 aztrainer : What are they going to do with the vacent space and are they going to add up on the parking garage on the existing location or are they going to add p
72 treebeard787 : Will it be operating ATL-PHX or DTW-PHX? and do you know what time it will arrive?
73 wn676 : US will be replacing Express on PHX-DSM with mainline equipment beginning in January: US564 PHX 0959 DSM 1352 319 US411 PHX 1950 DSM 2335 319 US530 DS
74 dlramp4life : 11/5: DTW 11/6: ATL
75 atcsundevil : The T3 to T2 walkway isn't bad, but it seems a shame to spend upwards of $1b on the SkyTrain project just to leave a ratty looking walkway to T2 for
76 chrisair : I do it pretty frequently (well, not using Metro). I just did it last weekend, actually. If I'm coming in on WN, I usually park at East Econ and bus
77 Maverick623 : UA 5573 SFO-IAH diverted to PHX about 5pm this afternoon. An "unspecified threat" was made against the flight. Passengers have been bussed to the term
78 Post contains links dlramp4life : Any diversions due to what is going on in LAX? saw this: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...9/history/20131101/2000Z/KPHX/KLAX
79 Post contains links and images wn676 : N797AN enroute from MIA to LAX diverted here to PHX. Parked at Gate 6:
80 PSAJet17 : That should be UA 5573 SFO-SAT
81 4holer : Saw it after taking off for LA, but had just gotten home (in Gilbert) after an eye doctor appointment and my eyes were dilated, and I just thought my
82 Post contains links 4holer : WOA MD-11 enroute to GYR. Final flight? http://fr24.com/WOA9073
83 atcsundevil : I would assume so. I think I remember reading that World was getting rid of the MD-11s (although they don't have many left anyway). Unless they do fr
84 treebeard787 : I heard there is an RNAF DC-10 at PHX, at the south cargo ramp. I don't know any details on departure time. That would be cool to see.
85 cageyjames : I saw a Royal Netherlands Air Force DC-10 on south cargo ramp driving into work this morning. Anyone get a picture?
86 Post contains links dlramp4life : http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region...rrying-rifle-handgun-at-sky-harbor Welcome to Arizona. I did not know about this until last night and I work in
87 777STL : I live in AZ and I'm as much for gun rights as anyone else is here, but why is it not illegal to walk around the unsecured premises of an airport wit
88 Post contains images dlramp4life : You are correct. I am for gun rights like the next guy but this stunt does not promote responsible gun ownership. It would freak anyone out even if t
89 cageyjames : Beautiful! Stood out among the UPS and FedEx planes yesterday morning.
90 777STL : I assume this is related to some sort of exercise at Luke?
91 treebeard787 : The RNAF does pilot training out here in AZ, it may very well have had something to do with the F16 training flights.
92 Maverick623 : Why should it be? You can't smoke anywhere indoors in a public building or a place of business (other than private membership-only lodges like a VFW
93 atcsundevil : It should be because the majority of the flying public would find something like this extremely disconcerting. Guns aren't allowed in schools -- why
94 Post contains links treebeard787 : Whats this about? http://flightaware.com/live/flight/S...0/history/20131026/1826Z/KPHX/LPPI
95 airportugal310 : And what about those who need to check their guns? Get's complicated real quick.
96 777STL : Ahh, A.net, I knew someone would argue with me no matter how logical my point was. Never fails. Tell me why walking around with a gun on your shoulde
97 Post contains links and images dlramp4life : No it doesn't. http://www.tsa.gov/traveler-information/firearms-and-ammunition https://www.aa.com/i18n/travelInformation/baggage/firearms.jsp How doe
98 Post contains images chrisair : Here's the thing: this is Arizona. The same state where you had people armed with AR-15s and other long guns sitting in an RV "patrolling" the border
99 PHX787 : Guys can we stop talking about gun control here? if you wanna discuss this guy and his kid do it on the non-av forum
100 atcsundevil : They are in locked cases without ammunition, for starters. They would certainly not be in plain view or concealed for potential use. As noted above,
101 Post contains images point2point : You are correct with all of this. I find this topic perfectly related to this thread, and anyone doesn't want to read about this, just skip over to t
102 Post contains images 777STL : I'm very well aware of that, I live in the valley. I'm also not at all surprised, guns are like a religion here. And that's not a bad thing, until so
103 Maverick623 : And this is exactly why the US is devolving into a police state: the assumption that people have no inherent rights and that the government should ha
104 777STL : Here we go, how predictable, you're one of those paranoid "the government is trying to run our lives" types, aren't you? This has nothing to do with
105 jfritz : Moving on...has Spirit moved ops to KPHX yet?
106 treebeard787 : Yes, the red-eye to DFW has been operating since Oct 19th I think. DEN, ORD and MSP started today. They are using gate 25 at terminal 3.
107 Post contains links treebeard787 : Interesting concept for a Terminal 4 update, it involves a new international concourse on the south side as well as making the N1 concourse capable of
108 Maverick623 : Good idea... there's not enough room currently if WN does start flying international routes out of PHX
109 PHX Flyer : Quite exciting to see that someone tat there are still plans for additional international traffic ... The modifications in N4, with 4 large carousels
110 Post contains links and images aztrainer : I have a question that I am hoping someone with more insight can share. I saw this PPD SUV with what (I think) is a CCTV or IR camera system on it. Do
111 Post contains images chrisair : Rocket launcher?
112 atcsundevil : It repels honey badgers, mostly.
113 PHX787 : PHX promised to keep same level of service for at least 3 years. What about after?
114 BD338 : Promised to keep service for 3 years....BUT......how much that in around a year or so "extraordinary market conditions" means they chop big chunks fr
115 osubuckeyes : Well all routes to current AA hubs will probably be right sized. PHX-FLL will probably be switched to MIA like before. Certain cities that don't have
116 atrude777 : Phoenix, Meet St. Louis. St. Louis, meet Phoenix. Ironic since America West from PHX and TWA in STL once tried to merge..that would have been quite t
117 dbo861 : US' website shows these operating until 2/12 and then it returns to CR9s. I wonder if they just haven't updated the schedule beyond that point..PHX i
118 wn676 : I think 2/12 is the extent of the most current version. It's usually finalized about 3 months out.
119 PHX787 : As much as I respect WN's business plan, I really would not want to fly them. Most of my flying is TPAC, or long-distance domestic. The only way I can
120 PHX Flyer : I do not think that the Phoenix hub will be harmed by the merger - quite to the contrary, actually: I believe that our chances are significantly bett
121 aztrainer : I will weigh in on this and it is only conjecture on my part. I think it would be naive to think that PHX will not be effected by the combined US/AA.
122 Maverick623 : I think that was more for WN's benefit than anyone else. I'm actually rather surprised they haven't announced anything yet. I'm glad you're so optimi
123 aztrainer : I thought that was the same thing also. This way WN would not have to use the north side of T-4 and move all of their equipment over for flights. I c
124 dlramp4life : So if US/AA drop some routes out of PHX could we see UA or DL pick up some of the dropped routes? So when will see 738s and MD80s parked over at T4?
125 PHX Flyer : Yes, definitely. Extra large baggage carousels is exactly what Southwest is lacking at Sky Harbor.
126 PHX Flyer : Of course there will be some changes, with increased capacity to the AA hubs and elimination of a marginal flight out of PHX here and there. But you
127 treebeard787 : It wouldn't surprise me to see AA move to T4 early in 2014, January or February maybe.
128 aztrainer : Yes, I know this and that is why I said that they cannot overload LAX of DFW like all of the pundits say. The problem with PHX is that it is 350 mile
129 commavia : LAX is relatively gate-constrained, but even there, there will soon be room for growth as several substantial facility changes are set to take place
130 RIDGID727 : Agree with you. Although I do believe that Montana and NO & So Dakota and some parts of ID may be introduced to AA Regionals to PHX or DFW as AA-
131 PHX787 : I posted this question on my Facebook, where many Airliners users talk to me without the fear of being ripped apart by some of the more judgemental (a
132 PHX Flyer : That's a vision that I share. The old American already had hubs in all the "premium" locations, but that did not exactly make them thrive. With PHX-
133 LAXdude1023 : PHX will be the SLC of AA. You will have the daily European flight and maybe AA will eventually try a 787 to NRT but Im skeptical the later will work
134 Post contains images Maverick623 : Unlikely, as there will be few actual mainline routes dropped, but we'll see a reduction in frequencies to certain cities. After the holiday rush mos
135 PHX Flyer : I looked at a couple of flights and one was actually sold out, the other one seemed pretty full. Most of the flights to GDL are operated by RJs. If I
136 LAXdude1023 : As of right now, all the holes from Arizona to Mexico are filled. The major markets: HMO, CUN, MEX, and GDL are well covered. Perhaps in the same spi
137 PHX Flyer : Acapulco, Cozumel, and a buncah of smaller markets throughout Mexico, like Monterrey, Oaxaca, Veracruz, etc. United flies to about twenty destination
138 cageyjames : How much of US' traffic to Mexico is local O&D vs hub traffic? I'm guessing pretty high isn't it?
139 LAXdude1023 : No on most of this. DFW will handle the bulk of the Mexico flying for the airline. You wont see MTY, CZM, OAX, or VER from PHX at all. If there is an
140 osubuckeyes : I would think that there is a large portion of Mexican population that can connect in PHX from the North and West of PHX. I don't think many airports
141 allegiantFlyer : Quick question, Since AA has to keep PHX for 3 years.... when does this countdown clock start? has it already or when the merger is complete?
142 osubuckeyes : Probably when the merger deal is closed, but there is a part of the settlement where this agreement is null if the "competitive landscape changes".
143 LAXdude1023 : Actually, DFW/IAH-Mexico are much, much larger than PHX-Mexico. O&D data is below: IAH-Mexico: 997,000 passengers per year or 1,365 PDEW DFW-Mexi
144 Post contains images commavia : I see ... so "ignorant" = expressing uncomfortable facts you don't have an answer for. And that means what, exactly? PHX doesn't have the linkages to
145 osubuckeyes : The question becomes is US capable of serving the bulk of the connecting traffic from the other hubs? I would think that it would put a strain on DFW
146 PHX Flyer : Calfornia is a much better area to draw from than Rocky Mountain communities. There are a lot of folks in Santa Ana, Burbank, etc. who prefer a conne
147 commavia : Completely agree. The problem for PHX is that this is the same reason why everyone offers tons of flights in and out of California cities large and s
148 PHX Flyer : Because it costs less. And generally, the yields at US suffice to pay the bills and then some.
149 commavia : It costs less to have two hubs serving the same function? I don't think so. Indeed the yields do suffice to pay the bills today. At the cost levels o
150 PHX Flyer : I don't think DFW and PHX serve the same function. They are almost 900 mi apart, more than the distance between DFW and ORD. And - to answer your que
151 osubuckeyes : And as Parker's record indicates he is really good at reeling in higher costs and making the most out of network premiums. That is definitely his man
152 Post contains links Cloneof501 : This makes no sense. Except Mexico and Canada, the only international flight is BA to LHR. Face it: PHX is not an international powerhouse. The JL fl
153 Post contains links BP1 : I was on the team that came to PHX back in 1995 to ramp up the operations for the inauguration in 1996. INAUGURAL: July 1, 1996 AIRCRAFT: DC-10-30 (Ol
154 dlramp4life : Here we go again.... I hate to be considered one of the "judgemental" posters here but it does not make sense. With LAX and DFW please explain why th
155 atcsundevil : PHX787, I suggest you take some time to search back through this forum to see the decade-long discussion on the very subject of PHX-Asia service. If I
156 777STL : What's the difference? There's one transatlantic flight out of PHX, if you fly TPAC as much as you say you do, you're going to have to connect throug
157 93Sierra : Phx-Asia is a pipe dream. Like others have stated, LAX and or SFO are normally very accessible and offer a variety of established carriers. I think th
158 dlramp4life : I don't think IWA will be affected G4 is doing fine out there and they are growing. NK is at PHX now and I assume their loads are steady. F9 is out o
159 Cloneof501 : I agree. Like someone said, DFW and PHX are really far apart. STL and ORD are only about 300 mi apart, so that speaks for itself regarding the pulldo
160 777STL : I'm of the opinion that a German city, perhaps FRA seasonally, could be made to work. Unfortunately, with US leaving *A, the odds of LH doing that ar
161 Post contains links treebeard787 : I was tracking a flight for someone I know and flightaware is saying that there is a disabled aircraft on the runway at PHX that is delaying inbound f
162 EricR : At best, PHX remains a large focus city for AA/US. Unfortunately, comparisons to SLC and DEN are not valid. First of all, unlike DL or UA, the combine
163 Maverick623 : Flight Aware error. There have been no issues at PHX today.
164 wn676 : There actually was something going on that shut down 8/26. My flight from EUG was in airborne holding because of it.
165 treebeard787 : Appearently an Arizona ANG KC135 had hydraulics problems on landing and had to be towed off the runway.
166 PSAJet17 : At the end of the 4pm news on ABC15, the anchor had BREAKING NEWS about an "airevac" plane that was making an emergency landing at PHX. The anchor (i
167 Post contains images point2point : Maybe PHX would become more of a south-western regional hub? I think that if PHX could find a way to save the new AA some $22M in rental fees like DE
168 dlramp4life : Out of a regional hub? I don't think so.
169 PHX787 : I never said AA would do it. Every rumor I heard was JL, and like I keep saying, their success at SAN will be a bellwether to how they're going to ac
170 commavia : There are other costs besides fuel. There's a tradeoff between lower fuel consumption on shorter flights and higher economies of scale as hubs get la
171 Post contains images hz747300 : Agreed, and this is why any changes which are made post three year period (barring a loophole being discovered between now and then) would likely be
172 PHX787 : False. A.net, and a simple google search has continually shown PHX has the lowest fares out of all of those cities, and has also been well-known for
173 Post contains links commavia : Indeed. And therein lies its most critical flaw. In an era when capacity is being rationalized and networks optimized - as is about to happen in this
174 PHX787 : That's not always a bad thing. In fact, it's probably easier to run a convenient operation from PHX, where taxi times and other associated issues wit
175 commavia : All of that is meaningless. MEM had shorter taxi times, smaller airport, shorter walks, less complicated logistics, etc., etc. etc. So did CVG. So di
176 777STL : Which is exactly what STL was. STL had a heavy WN prescence and was within 550 miles of DFW and 270 miles of ORD. After air travel dropped post 9/11
177 LAXdude1023 : Its very true. DFW is a much more premium market than PHX. The economy in Dallas is a lot bigger and a lot less of it caters to tourism. This last pa
178 SiouxATC : Do you honestly believe that to be true? Specifically the last part? Come on. Check, check, check, check, and check. PHX787, while I admire your resp
179 atcsundevil : Just give it up. I'm not telling you that you can't have your own opinion, but you're trying to argue with people who have actually worked in the ind
180 SiouxATC : Couldn't have said it better myself. And what demand there is, is covered well via LAX and SFO. I just don't understand the reasoning that because a
181 Cloneof501 : I fail to see why we're even arguing about DFW vs PHX. You can be the biggest fanboy in the world, but there's a reason why DFW is growing and PHX is
182 osubuckeyes : Why can't you use the past to look at the future? Most airlines do that. My whole point is that PHX has lower costs because it has to and that's why
183 cageyjames : I'd wager most of that WN moving flights to DEN. I think US is pretty static in flights the last couple years. But to your bigger point, it isn't gro
184 Post contains links LAXdude1023 : PHX as a city is definately less premium than DFW. Heres the data: http://www.rita.dot.gov/bts/airfares...vel_price_index/html/table_10.html
185 cageyjames : Having the two largest carriers being WN and US does help that. That's why the justice department didn't want US to merge with AA. I suspect we'll se
186 osubuckeyes : Your data points to lower yielding which my point was to point out that he was making the same point twice. Lower yielding=less premium traffic.
187 mhkansan : I wanted to pop in to this thread and mention that I'm really rather surprised how many people G4 found to send to AZA from MHK. Loadfactors on the fi
188 atcsundevil : G4 has made just about every AZA route work successfully from the outset. It doesn't surprise me that they could do the same with MHK. A big advantag
189 commavia : Because the future will be different than the past, in several critical and demonstrable ways. Specifically, two critical things will change post-mer
190 osubuckeyes : You did respond with more, but on part of my analysis relating to DP reeling in costs you just said we'll see. This post actually had more to address
191 treebeard787 : Exactly, I have taken G4 several times up to Minnesota to visit family and it is very convenient if you aren't going to the Twin Cities.
192 LAXdude1023 : I think the magic number will bounce between 175-200. I really dont see PHX losing any destinations though. If anything, LIH and KOA may be strictly
193 cageyjames : I can't see Mexico being downgraded much either (nor Canada). Again less flights as you point out...
194 LAXdude1023 : I dont really either. I just dont see any expansion was really my point.
195 treebeard787 : I would personally be quite happy for PHX to simply retain service levels similar to what they are at now, and I would be very surprised to see any me
196 Post contains images point2point : If I may offer in my observation on this, I would be pretty certain that going forward that carriers are going to want to focus on the O&D pax fi
197 Maverick623 : Before becoming CFO of HP, he was the CFO at Northwest and worked for many years as a financial analyst with Tom Horton at AA. So while it's true he
198 777STL : I'm not quite that optimistic. Other than G4, who's going to expand or offer service out in Mesa? NK just left for Sky Harbor. None of the majors are
199 Post contains images point2point : I guess what I meant is that G4 will more than likely expand at AZA, and I think that we can both agree (maybe?) that what G4 does at AZA will probab
200 osubuckeyes : But what other carriers at PHX do may effect what G4 does at AZA, specifically NK, and F9.
201 PHX787 : I think we can all agree to disagree when it comes to merger effects on PHX. Did peak cargo start early? PHXSpotters posted a photo of a UPS MD-11 on
202 Post contains images point2point : I think that there is a point there. Maybe more applicable going forward now that we see what could be a paradigm shift in G4 strategy, in that G4 in
203 treebeard787 : That was from last December.
204 atcsundevil : It doesn't help, but it isn't a major detriment because the current situation is very successful for both the airport and the airline. The biggest dr
205 osubuckeyes : As discussed in earlier threads most people fly to PHX, so that is not just isolated to G4 at AZA. My point was that lets say US pulls down, does NK/
206 dlramp4life : If G4 started a AZA-CVG route the CVG-PHX-CVG route would last longer then three months.
207 PHX787 : And I would never fly G4 on that route. Some of my peers would follow and G4 would drop that like a rock. DL would hack up that price again and then
208 dlramp4life : What DL should do on the PHX-CVG route is what NW used to do on the MEM route, use EMB175s. As for the price, well that is how it works.
209 jfritz : I like how some are saying that flights will be drawn down and that WN will pick up that slack. That's an excellent business model...draw down, and ha
210 hz747300 : The difference is that people would expect a (an?) AA/US draw down, because people are no longer connecting via PHX and instead connecting via DFW. T
211 Post contains images chrisair : I think you're having a tough time realizing there are ~1.5 million people in Phoenix. Just because you or your friends wouldn't fly Allegiant, doesn
212 Post contains links 4holer : Let the rainstorm funkiness begin... Walking into work (in Chandler) this morning, I had this Fedex MD-10 bust thru the clouds pretty low overhead in
213 Maverick623 : Last time we had a storm, I saw a lot of airplanes doing that. My girlfriend (who used to be a flight attendant) said she hadn't seen planes come in
214 Post contains links and images atcsundevil : Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_metro_area Yes only 1,500,000 in the city of Phoenix, but Allegiant has a lot more than just Phoenix res
215 PHX787 : I've seen that a few times. ususally when theres a lot of stuff inbound...or there needs more separation between landings. That cachment is mostly Me
216 treebeard787 : AZA draws from the entire east valley, Chandler, Mesa, Queen Creek, Gilbert and Apache Junction are the largest catchment areas. G4 has shown that if
217 hz747300 : This will be a larger trend than Asia businesses setting up here. All I ask is that if you moved from California to Arizona, please do not vote for t
218 atcsundevil : That's a separate discussion. However, there are sections of Gilbert, Chandler, and Queen Creek that are actually quite wealthy. Maybe not to the lev
219 Post contains links cageyjames : 85284 (Tempe) is the 5th wealthiest zip code in the PHX area. http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/n...hoenix-areas-top-5-wealthiest.html
220 93Sierra : And Gilbert has a higher median income than Snottsdale
221 Post contains images PHX787 : I wish I could post this on a gigantic billboard. Seriously. There was a large number of California rejects that came into PHX a while ago, voted the
222 PHX787 : Who went out to spot the first of the cargo rush?
223 PHX787 : Report from PHX Spotters: The BA 744 is at the South Ramp ? Why was it cancelled? Anyone get any photos? Seems like it had a bird strike and is waitin
224 Post contains links osubuckeyes : Yep shows cancelled. I wonder how all those passengers were accommodated. Where will they ferry the plane to or will there just be an extra segment? h
225 apodino : I have my thoughts on AA which I will post in the AA/PHX thread. But I was thinking today about PHX and one of the things that came to mind is the fut
226 osubuckeyes : I think WN focuses more on O&D and Cali>East. Somebody posted an article in one of the PHX threads WN has only about 30% ish of it's traffic i
227 PHX787 : WN and US have different demographics too. I think WN carries mainly a number of leisure pax and US has a lot of biz pax and upper-wealth leisure pax.
228 4holer : Ya need to go to PHX T4, check out the people at the A or B gates, then stroll past the escalators and look at the D or C crowd. Yup. Mostly business
229 Atrude777 : No even close Sir. You have claimed you don't fly Southwest so how can you even make that assumption without seeing it? Southwest does not fly those
230 apodino : This makes perfect sense. The merger does not make the OO deal null and void per say, but given that I feel that E-Jets are going to be used at PHX m
231 Atrude777 : Absolutely. This allows American to reduce seat capacity in Phoenix, and shift more mainline capacity to other hubs and routes as needed while again
232 SiouxATC : Couldn't be more wrong. Bingo, couldn't agree more. Same can be said for the inter-California flights, but that's a different topic I suppose.
233 apodino : I wasn't referring to this flying, I was referring to the US flying that OO does in PHX that is on 50 seaters. I was wondering if this also goes away
234 Atrude777 : I was referring to your question about AA keeping the 50 seater thing, since I mentioned it only happened due to the BK proceedings. With BK no longe
235 apodino : But that's not true. OO was doing the US flying in PHX long before AA filed for bankruptcy or the merger was even proposed. I don't see how emerging
236 osubuckeyes : If memory serves me correctly, a large majority of the CRJ-200s fly intra-AZ and PHX-Colorado/Cali. So eliminating a big portion of that would also l
237 Atrude777 : I guess we're confusing ourselves? Are you asking what AA will do with US's CRJ flying, because my reference to AA's CRJ flying is when they signed t
238 apodino : Ok. I don't think they will be using the 175 at LAX much for this reason. Most of the existing mainline traffic that both airlines bring to LAX will
239 PHX787 : I thought the Dash-8s were on their way out?
240 wn676 : In PHX? Mesa flew their last Dash flight last year. Edit: unless you mean the ones still left on the east; those, from what I understand, don't have
241 PHX787 : That's being discussed in the site-related forum. I'm gonna ask the mods on holding off on creating a new PHX thread until that gets resolved (we are
242 aztrainer : This is not true. Many in business prefer WN over other airlines due to their very easy way of changing a flight. This is also a reason why I choose
243 777STL : That's because everyone in Snobsdale is rich, retired, and nearly dead. Gilbert is full of young families and working professionals. AZA accomodates
244 Post contains links PHX787 : Part 8: Phoenix/Arizona Aviation Thread Pt. 8 (by PHX787 Dec 7 2013 in Civil Aviation)
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