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Alitalia Skids Off Runway On Landing.  
User currently offlinesmeg From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2008, 159 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 20140 times:

Occurred at Fiumicino airport.

No idea of type I am afraid.

Apparently the landing gear failed to lower, but that could just be media speculation.


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[Edited 2013-09-29 13:16:48]

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User currently offlineMesaFlyGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 2865 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (9 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 20128 times:
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Any more details? What kind of plane and where did it happen?


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User currently offlinecurlyheadboy From Italy, joined Feb 2005, 940 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (9 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 19824 times:

Summing up what Italian media are reporting:
Type is A320, flight from Madrid, sounds like a landing gear problem, with the aircraft executing one or more missed approaches, and finally landing ending up resting on the runway but tilted on one side. No reports of anyone being hurt.

[Edited 2013-09-29 14:06:52 by SA7700]


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User currently offlinesmeg From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2008, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 19781 times:

My fault.... realised I had not added the location and did the first edit before I had seen MesaFlyGuy's post.   

User currently offlinecurlyheadboy From Italy, joined Feb 2005, 940 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 19546 times:

Definitely looks like the right MLG gave up on them, slides deployed.




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User currently offlinecjg225 From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 753 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 19376 times:

Here is AvHerald's entry on the incident. Only photo is the same as the one posted above.

http://www.avherald.com/h?article=469338e0&opt=0



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User currently offlineAesma From France, joined Nov 2009, 6471 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (9 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 19336 times:

Landing gear doors opened so some kind of hydraulic failure maybe, combined with gravity deployment of the gears.


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User currently offlineEY460 From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 268 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 18870 times:

A couple more pics here.

http://www.dazebaonews.it/italia/ite...alia-fuori-pista-le-foto-esclusive

Similar accident to the Wizz Air flight (same airport and same aircraft type), but in this case the gear door seems completely closed.

[Edited 2013-09-29 14:25:16]

User currently onlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17047 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 18779 times:

Wonder how much damage there is to the right engine and wing. Otherwise it shouldnt take too long before getting this bird back into service.


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User currently offlineAsturias From Spain, joined Apr 2006, 2054 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (9 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 18383 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 8):
Wonder how much damage there is to the right engine and wing. Otherwise it shouldnt take too long before getting this bird back into service.

While theoretically possible to repair machines after such traumatic landings, it is not always cost effective. It's kind of like laptop computers.

Say a laptop costs €1000 the spares that make up that laptop cost at least the double if not more - then there's the cost of labor etc.

Great news that no people were hurt.

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User currently offlineSchweigend From United States of America, joined Jun 2010, 589 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (9 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 17985 times:

Quoting cjg225 (Reply 5):

Thanks. The Av Herald piece states:

Quote:
The crew subsequently prepared for an emergency landing with the right hand main gear remaining retracted due to the right main gear doors not opening.

So, this A320 landed on Nose and LMG only.

In this type of situation, would the cockpit have applied less spoiler on the right wing in order to keep the bird horizontal upon landing?


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5553 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (9 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 17782 times:

Quoting Schweigend (Reply 10):

In this type of situation, would the cockpit have applied less spoiler on the right wing in order to keep the bird horizontal upon landing?

No. There is no way to control the spoilers individually.



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User currently offlineFabo From Slovakia, joined Aug 2005, 1219 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 10578 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 11):
No. There is no way to control the spoilers individually.

Well, you could always use counter roll... but I am not sure whether it is really good an idea.



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User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2650 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7373 times:

Quoting EY460 (Reply 7):
Similar accident to the Wizz Air flight (same airport and same aircraft type), but in this case the gear door seems completely closed.

Yes, it seems.

I am surprised there are so few reactions. If it was a 787, there would have 200+ posts...

Landing gears seem to be the weak spot of the A320.



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User currently offlinesteman From Germany, joined Aug 2000, 1356 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7146 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 13):
Yes, it seems.

I am surprised there are so few reactions. If it was a 787, there would have 200+ posts...

Landing gears seem to be the weak spot of the A320.

A few landing gear accident (which happen on any aircraft type) out of several thousand A320s flying does not qualify as a weak spot.
Especially when we don´t know what caused it.


User currently offlineAquila3 From Italy, joined Nov 2010, 249 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7021 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 13):
I am surprised there are so few reactions. If it was a 787, there would have 200+ posts...

Landing gears seem to be the weak spot of the A320.

You would not be so surprised if you care do some simple math.
When (*if* ever) the 787 will have done the same number of cycles as the A320, then, be sure, the reactions wil be as few.



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User currently offlineNeutronStar73 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 485 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6297 times:

Quoting LY777 (Reply 13):
Yes, it seems.

I am surprised there are so few reactions. If it was a 787, there would have 200+ posts...

Landing gears seem to be the weak spot of the A320.

But we have seen the A320 with numerous landing gear issues over the years. It does seem to be something of an issue.

But like you said, if this were another "plane" we would have 200+ posts on what a crappy product it is.


User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4438 times:

Quoting NeutronStar73 (Reply 17):
But like you said, if this were another "plane" we would have 200+ posts on what a crappy product it is.

And like others have said, do the math. It is not the incident alone that matters, it is the rate at which they occur that matters.


User currently offlineHiFlyerAS From United States of America, joined Jul 2011, 916 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 4359 times:

The deplaning looks quite leisurely in the photo...not much pushing or shoving  

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9689 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3396 times:

EI-EIB looks to be a fairly new aircraft having been delivered brandnew to AZ in 2010, is that correct? In any case, I hope they can fix it.

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User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined Oct 2001, 3712 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3255 times:

Quoting NeutronStar73 (Reply 16):
But we have seen the A320 with numerous landing gear issues over the years. It does seem to be something of an issue.

I can't remember any accident involving this specific failure (we don't even know what kind of failure we're talking about here).

I seem to remember a few nose gear issues, involving steering, but the sight of an A320 on a runway with a wing cocked up is not a particularly familiar one as far as I'm aware.



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User currently offlinereadytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 3151 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3255 times:

Quoting HiFlyerAS (Reply 18):

No Smoke, what is always good for a slow evac.  



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User currently offlineboeingorbust From Canada, joined Oct 2011, 165 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2281 times:

Pretty sure eacuation slides are only to be opened on the lower side of the aircraft.. Perhaps it depends on the airline or manufacturer.

User currently offlineLY777 From France, joined Nov 2005, 2650 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1861 times:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 20):
I seem to remember a few nose gear issues, involving steering, but the sight of an A320 on a runway with a wing cocked up is not a particularly familiar one as far as I'm aware.Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit posting...


Wizz Air incident in June in FCO



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User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5553 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1745 times:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 20):
but the sight of an A320 on a runway with a wing cocked up is not a particularly familiar one as far as I'm aware.

United had a very similar incident almost 4 years ago:


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