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User currently offlineIR800 From Iran, joined May 2009, 47 posts, RR: 0
Posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 19613 times:

Main Article:
Rouhani orders investigating establishment of Iran-US direct flight line

Doesn't it seem too optimistic? Specially while IR still has problem for refueling at some of EU airports.

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User currently offlineTC957 From UK - England, joined May 2012, 930 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 19571 times:

Let's all hope that the better relationships seemingly being established can result in Iran Air and others getting more modern airliners soon. After all, there's plenty of A345's now available for starters, which might be ideal for a long THR - JFK route. I don't suppose IR 747SP's are in a fit state to run frequent flights if they were allowed to start services.

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7785 posts, RR: 18
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 19382 times:

I hope they come back. If relations are restored, I see IR taking A345s as the above post suggested.


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User currently offlinefrancoflier From France, joined exactly 13 years ago today! , 3791 posts, RR: 11
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 19310 times:

It's encouraging to see Rouhani seeking general appeasement and dialogue with western nations.

However, it is a little early to tell whether these are just nice words to get themselves some leniency or whether anything concrete will come out of it.

I'm sure the US and the EU would be willing to improve the diplomatic and economical relationship, starting with some direct flights, if Iran was to, for instance, allow IAEA investigators to monitor their nuclear program.



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User currently offlinejayeshrulz From India, joined Apr 2007, 1029 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 19129 times:

Quoting TC957 (Reply 1):
I don't suppose IR 747SP's are in a fit state to run frequent flights if they were allowed to start services.

That will be one hell of a nostalgic service to see those 747SPs going TATL again!
I definitely would get a hop on those for sure.

This said, I doubt seeing them fly in US. Maybe somewhere in Q4 2014 - Q1 2015.
Alot of things need to be amended before IR flies in the US again.



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User currently offlineDTWPurserBoy From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 1687 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 19083 times:

Usually in these kind of political standoffs the first thing that comes back is sports not airline routes.

I bet there would be a reasonable amount of JFK-THR traffic to justify it and using an A345 would make a lot of sense--low acquisition cost, modern fleet, long legs.

But before that can happen we would have to remove sanctions on Iran. The people deserve safe airplanes to fly on regardless of the politics involved.



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User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 1004 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 19059 times:
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There is too much bad blood and too much history between the U.S and Iran

This is a long way off people....

there might be a better chance that Cubana lands in the U.S before Iran Air


User currently offlineatcsundevil From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 1217 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 18854 times:

There is A LOT that needs to happen before direct US-Iran flights return. Politics can move quickly in some areas, but three decades of zero relations and general mistrust can't be undone in mere months. This is something that will likely take years to eventually develop. Should relations continue to positively progress, I find it more likely that sanctions would be removed in stages to allow Iranian airlines to modernize their fleets with Airbus and Boeing aircraft. Some time thereafter, maybe we could see direct flights established to JFK, IAD, LAX, etc. This won't be a quick or easy process despite what might be the best intentions from Rouhani.

User currently onlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4457 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 18446 times:

Why everyone is saying 345?
I bet there is enough demand for daily 77W service between few airports in the US to THR.
But politically this might be years and years away.


User currently offlinefsnuffer From United States of America, joined Jun 2007, 252 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 18395 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 8):
I bet there is enough demand for daily 77W service between few airports in the US to THR.

I don't know about the demand. As an American citizen, I don't think Tehran would be on my list of places to go.


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 18321 times:

Quoting fsnuffer (Reply 9):
I don't know about the demand. As an American citizen, I don't think Tehran would be on my list of places to go.

Do you have any personal connection with Iran? If not, I strongly doubt that your individual position on that is likely to be any kind of sensible barometer for the market. As I understand it, there are plenty of Persians in the US. A meaningful thaw in relations might well result in a decent market.



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User currently offlineIR800 From Iran, joined May 2009, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 18221 times:

Quoting fsnuffer (Reply 9):
As an American citizen, I don't think Tehran would be on my list of places to go.

Did you read the article?

Quote:
Rouhani ordered ... for removing problems of Iranian nationals in the US.
Quote:
Caretaker of Supreme Iranian Expatriates Council Akbar Torkan.
Quote:
He expressed the hope that Iranian expatriates' coming and going would be facilitated.


User currently offlinecedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8148 posts, RR: 54
Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 18115 times:

Iran and the USA are natural allies, and Iranians love America. The streets of Tehran were packed with people demonstrating in solidarity with America on the night of 9/11, for instance. Don't believe the press who love a punch-up, or a few right wing nutjobs who love a war.

Quoting fsnuffer (Reply 9):
I don't know about the demand. As an American citizen, I don't think Tehran would be on my list of places to go.

Oh god. There are nearly a million Iranians in LA alone (didn't you know it's really called Tehrangeles?). 80% of the population of Beverly Hills is Iranian (including the mayor). The reason Lufty fly 747s and A340-600s to IKA isn't because there's so much traffic to Germany, they all connect to LA through Frankfurt. Same with Emirates - OK their bread and butter on US routes is the subcontinent (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka) but after that comes Iran. Huge traffic flows every day between US and Iran.

And plenty of Americans know how great Iran is, and go as tourists for it's archaeological treasures (Persepolis, Necropolis, Isfahan), friendly and cultured people, and ancient civilisation. I have been there ten times and there's usually been at least one American in the group, and they are always given an embarrassingly fond welcome.

I am glad the leaders are talking and I hope the (petty) differences can be ironed out. I am sure they can. Iran Air will serve JFK and LAX in the future. Maybe not tomorrow, but one day not so far away.



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User currently offlinejayunited From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 997 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 17963 times:

Quoting fsnuffer (Reply 9):
I don't know about the demand. As an American citizen, I don't think Tehran would be on my list of places to go.

I don't think their comment was mean't for American's because you are correct there are Tehran would not rank high on the list of places to visit for American citizen. However you are forgetting that there are a lot of Iranians now living in the US a number that has be growing for many years so "IF" and that is a very big IF (because there is still to much tension between these 2 countries) direct or nonstop service were to every start up it would be aimed directly at Iranian ex-pat now living in the US. But there is still a problem Iranians who are now living in the US if they do travel home to Iran now they are probably traveling on EK, TK or some other Middle East airline so how will IR convince them to stop flying on EK and instead start flying on IR. I don't know how good IR's service is but we all know how good EK's onboard service is.


User currently offlineg500 From United States of America, joined Oct 2011, 1004 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 17773 times:
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what type of airplane in their fleet has the range for Tehran-LAX anyway?

User currently offlineSemaex From Germany, joined Nov 2009, 827 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 17528 times:

Quoting g500 (Reply 6):
There is too much bad blood and too much history between the U.S and Iran

This is a long way off people....

there might be a better chance that Cubana lands in the U.S before Iran Air

Is that a phrase of desperation or hope?

Living in Germany - knowing about my country's history - I'm telling you that things can change dramatically in no time. What's a decade? Nothing when you look at the big picture. And when the business is right, you'll see masses of people commuting between Iran and the United States like ants

Quoting fsnuffer (Reply 9):
I don't know about the demand. As an American citizen, I don't think Tehran would be on my list of places to go.

China isn't on my list of places to go, but that doesn't keep more than a dozen daily widebodies flying between my homenation and the Empire in the East.

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 12):
Iran and the USA are natural allies, and Iranians love America. The streets of Tehran were packed with people demonstrating in solidarity with America on the night of 9/11, for instance. Don't believe the press who love a punch-up, or a few right wing nutjobs who love a war.

  

As a matter of fact, I know few nations that are so enthusiast about american culture and lifestyle. The United States are well-respected among the iranian people. They are unbelievably liberated and take the US as an example.
Politics is a whole different matter, and most iranians are quite fed up with the way the country is/was run by narrow-minded so-called "muslim" leaders.

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 12):
The reason Lufty fly 747s and A340-600s to IKA isn't because there's so much traffic to Germany, they all connect to LA through Frankfurt. Same with Emirates

And now you know who'd be the first ones to suffer from a direct Iran-US service  



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User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7785 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 17467 times:

There's a looooot of ex-pats from Iran in the US. A personal, close friend is one of them. She told me she really supports the new prez.

But I'm starting to agree after reading a bit, it is quite optimistic..... but while it is optimistic, I would NOT be surprised ONE bit if this guy and Mr. Obama work something out.... Hell, If flights resume during my month-long Spring Vacation, I'd be one of the first Americans to fly to Iran on IR direct since the 70s, just for the heck of it.



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User currently offlinelugie From Germany, joined Jun 2013, 114 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 17179 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 8):
Why everyone is saying 345?

I would say that the A345 is suitable for this route because - as others have already mentioned - there are more and more of them being second-hand resold (Isn't SQ seeking to sell theirs pretty soon?), so they are available for pretty reasonable prices, plus they have an extremely long range, plus they are quite new compared to the rest of IR's fleet, so no age restrictions to be feared.



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User currently offlineRGFC From Italy, joined Jul 2013, 55 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 16693 times:

A few months ago a war against Iran on its nuclear programme seemed a given fact. Yes, Iran has changed President, but Iran's Supreme Leader is still Ayatollah Khamenei. Don't expect Iran to suddenly become a friend of the West.
Anyway, on another thread we discussed about the possibility of a direct DXB-TLV flight (by QF); now we're talking about THR to the US: if these flights should ever occur, the world would really be changing ...


User currently offlineBoeingMerica From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 16583 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 10):

Likewise I would say those with a personal conenction to Iran can not sensibly judge the market either. For the exact opposite reasons someone with no connection to the market cannot. No need to try an attack the dude.

The reality is, this is not, I repeat NOT NOT NOT NOT going to happen anytime soon. And by that I mean, check back in 20 years, maybe but probably not.

Look the reality is our next door neighbor, Cuba, who has not been an aggressor towards us since the end of the cold war, only has the rights to overfly the country. Meanwhile, the country that is the state sponsor of terror in the region, the one who openly states they want a nuke to wipe our allies off the map. The one who won't stop until the west is "defeated" and the world is under muslim rule? And were going to allow Americans on these flights, and to travel to Tehran? Sheer Delusion.

Not going to happen. End of discussion.

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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8511 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 16582 times:

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 5):
But before that can happen we would have to remove sanctions on Iran. The people deserve safe airplanes to fly on regardless of the politics involved.

That's def. not the case between the US and Cuba. We have many regular flights between the US and Cuba (albeit "charters"), even though there's still an embargo. So I wouldn't be surprised to see a similar agreement between Iran and the US. In fact the way things are going, I can see that happening very soon.
I know Cubana doesn't fly to the US, but Cubana and Iran Air are as different as night an day. Iran Air has a solid and long history of good safety while operating American and European aircraft.


User currently offlinen797mx From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 227 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 16497 times:

Quoting fsnuffer (Reply 9):
As an American citizen, I don't think Tehran would be on my list of places to go.

I actually would love to go to Iran. I can see cultural tourism being actually quite big there despite what the general political feeling is.



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User currently offlineeirik From Norway, joined Mar 2005, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 16426 times:

I wouldn´t be surprised if a direct route was up and running within a couple of years.

User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7714 posts, RR: 21
Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 16298 times:

Quoting BoeingMerica (Reply 19):
Not going to happen. End of discussion.

Well, that's probably true - but I wasn't really commenting on the likeliehood of the services starting.

Quoting BoeingMerica (Reply 19):
Likewise I would say those with a personal conenction to Iran can not sensibly judge the market either

I would say that no single individual can be an indicator really, but the fact is that one person saying "well I wouldn't go" really is less of of an indicator than someone who might well have good reason for wanting to go. I don't know whether the guy has any connection to the hypothetical market or not, which was the main reason for my response.

Quoting BoeingMerica (Reply 19):
For the exact opposite reasons someone with no connection to the market cannot

Again, no single comment could, but someone saying they definitely would use the market because they have a personal connection is inherently more of a positive indication than someone with no connection saying that they wouldn't.

Quoting BoeingMerica (Reply 19):
No need to try an attack the dude.

I genuinely fail to see how an honest, straightforward question amounts to an 'attack' in any sense whatsoever. I think that to suggest it does would plum new depths of oversensitivity here. It was nothing more than an honest question, which contained no aggression, bad language or indeed any other possible indication of representing an attack.

Again, I understand that there is a significant Persian population in some parts of the US, so surely *if* hypothetically such services did commence, in combination with a thaw in relations, I would imagine that there would be some demand. I was merely interested to know whether that user happened to have any connection to the people that in my mind might be most likely to be customers.



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User currently offlinejetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7414 posts, RR: 50
Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 15847 times:
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As optimistic as many may be by this "renaissance man" of this new and improved Iran, I wouldn't roll out the champagne just yet. I wonder how far this routine will go in the long-run when the world community realizes this is probably just another ploy by the Iranian govt to buy time and distract the world's attention from their pursuit of a nuclear program. We've seen this before with former Ayatollahs such as Rafsanjani and Khatami, a nice guy replaces a sabre-rattler. A few months from now, we'll be right back where we started from, a refusal by the Iranian govt to cooperate with the US or the UN. Sorry to be pessimistic, but there really isn't much coming out of this that convinces me that this guy will be any different, not unless the Iranians abandon their nuke aspirations and allow UN monitors in. And giving us back our embassy would be a great start, but I doubt that'll happen
But as far as traffic between the US and Iran. I dont see service in overwhelming numbers, regardless of the demographics of certain areas.

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 12):
Oh god. There are nearly a million Iranians in LA alone (didn't you know it's really called Tehrangeles?). 80% of the population of Beverly Hills is Iranian (including the mayor).

But that doesn't necessarily translate into profit. There's probably a sizable number of those Iranians probably have little connection to Iran as probably many of them them were refugees. Many of them left prior to the revolt or leading up to it. Ive known many Iranians here in the US who have little or no desire to go back to Iran as it stirs up too many bad memories. And it probably has changed so much, they wouldn't recognise the place anyway



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User currently offlinemham001 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3689 posts, RR: 3
Reply 25, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 16014 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 12):
Oh god. There are nearly a million Iranians in LA alone (didn't you know it's really called Tehrangeles?). 80% of the population of Beverly Hills is Iranian (including the mayor).

That made such little logical sense, I had to look it up. Not only illogical, just plain wrong and misleading. Here is what the wiki page says the US Census Bureau and others say:

In 2010, the number of self-identified Iranian Americans in the US was 448,722.[1] Iranian Americans are most likely far more numerous in the United States than census data indicate, according to research done by the Iranian Studies Group, an independent academic organization, at Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT). The group estimates that the number of Iranian Americans may have topped 691,000 in 2004—more than twice the figure of 338,000 cited in the 2000 U.S. census.[4]
According to extrapolated U.S. Census data and other independent surveys done by Iranian-Americans themselves in 2009, there are an estimated one million Iranian-Americans living in the U.S.,[6] with the largest concentration—about 520,000 people—living around Los Angeles.[6][27] For this reason, the L.A. area with its Iranian American residents is sometimes referred to as "Tehrangeles" or "Irangeles" among Iranian-Americans.[28] Beverly Hills and Irvine both have large communities of Iranian Americans.[2][29] Half of the nation's Iranians reside in the state of California alone. Other large communities include New York/New Jersey, which have 9.1% of the U.S.' Iranian population, followed by Washington D.C./Maryland/Virginia (8.3%) and Texas (6.7%)


As for Beverly Hills, try 15% (officially).
http://www.city-data.com/top2/h83.html


User currently onlineAVENSAB727 From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 945 posts, RR: 1
Reply 26, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 15876 times:

Nice, I would like to see IAH have a flight to Tehran, either UA or Iran Air, if things work out!


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User currently offlinechieft From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 15913 times:
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The hope dies last.

I am pretty sure that, if Iranian airlines would have a free choice of aircraft, they would not chose used A345.

They would go for A330 and A350s. Especially Iran Air is attached to Airbus.



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User currently offlineRDH3E From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1767 posts, RR: 3
Reply 28, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 15901 times:

I've read everyone's comments here about "what aircraft IR would use".

Where did anyone ever see that IR would be the one operating the route? No such suggestion was made. A US carrier has the equipment at hand and could launch the route immediately if necessary. That won't happen, but I'm saying a non-stop flight is much more likely on a US flag than on IR who do not even have the ability to fly such a flight.


User currently offlineProst From United States of America, joined Oct 2012, 1068 posts, RR: 1
Reply 29, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 15728 times:

Here's an American who'd like to go to Iran. I travel to countries because of the people I've met. I was amazed at how charming I've found the Iranian people. If we were to judge people by what the news networks portray, we'd probably never travel anywhere.

User currently onlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33086 posts, RR: 71
Reply 30, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 15722 times:

Quoting DTWPurserBoy (Reply 5):
I bet there would be a reasonable amount of JFK-THR traffic to justify it and using an A345 would make a lot of sense--low acquisition cost, modern fleet, long legs.

Los Angeles is Tehran's largest U.S. O&D market - and one of it's largest O&D markets period.



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User currently offlineSemaex From Germany, joined Nov 2009, 827 posts, RR: 2
Reply 31, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 15636 times:

Quoting BoeingMerica (Reply 19):
the country that is the state sponsor of terror in the region, the one who openly states they want a nuke to wipe our allies off the map. The one who won't stop until the west is "defeated" and the world is under muslim rule? And were going to allow Americans on these flights, and to travel to Tehran? Sheer Delusion.

I'm quite convinced that, having posted this statement, you are not thinking for yourself, but thinking what war-agitator and nationalist media want you to think.
The question begs: Do you know Iranians? Have you ever been to the Middle East and for that matter: Do you have Muslim friends? If you can answer all with "yes", then you've got me thinking that you may have a point. But if not, I'm afraid it's quite destructive propaganda you are shouting out - and when it comes to hard facts, you're standing on shaky ground.
I'm politely asking you to rethink your attitude towards Iran - a country where there are men, women and children wanting to live in peace, pray to God and go about their business with the Golden Rule in the back of their mind, just like folks in the US.

@Mods: I just wanted to draw attention to the fact that all's not what it seems to be and smoothen the field of prejudice. Feel free to delete this post if you think it's too politically oriented.


Quoting jetjack74 (Reply 24):
But that doesn't necessarily translate into profit. There's probably a sizable number of those Iranians probably have little connection to Iran as probably many of them them were refugees. Many of them left prior to the revolt or leading up to it. Ive known many Iranians here in the US who have little or no desire to go back to Iran as it stirs up too many bad memories. And it probably has changed so much, they wouldn't recognise the place anyway

Quite a lot of probables for one paragraph.
Let me say it like this: I personally know about 30 Iranian(-European) families, roughly a third of my good and best friends are of Iranian descent. You may not believe me, but 90% of them work as or are about to be either Surgeons, Dentists, Engineers or Carpet Sellers. They've got money!
ALL of them are religious refugees, but that has not prevented them from making a good living. What goes for Europe must go for the US too. They are not rock-bottom folks, they have to much pride, wisdom and persevearance to become poor. And I know that all of them have family-ties to Iran. If they could, they would definitely visit Iran more often. Religious persecution unfortunately still hinders them from entering the country.
Point being: A once daily 345 to JFK or LAX is absolutely makeable. It would generate money, I'm 100% sure of that.



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User currently offlineLH600 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 164 posts, RR: 1
Reply 32, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 15557 times:

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 28):
I've read everyone's comments here about "what aircraft IR would use".

Where did anyone ever see that IR would be the one operating the route? No such suggestion was made. A US carrier has the equipment at hand and could launch the route immediately if necessary. That won't happen, but I'm saying a non-stop flight is much more likely on a US flag than on IR who do not even have the ability to fly such a flight.

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User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8511 posts, RR: 10
Reply 33, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 15436 times:

Quoting chieft (Reply 27):
They would go for A330 and A350s. Especially Iran Air is attached to Airbus.

The A350 yes but that would be way in the future. No A330 has the range to fly THR-US non-stop and I wonder if even the A346 could given the 4,000ft elevation of THR.


User currently offlineMountainFlyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 476 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 15251 times:

Quoting BoeingMerica (Reply 19):
The reality is, this is not, I repeat NOT NOT NOT NOT going to happen anytime soon. And by that I mean, check back in 20 years, maybe but probably not.

Do you think you would have said the same thing about the USSR in 1988? Things changed dramatically in just a few short years in that situation, what makes you think it can't here?

As was mentioned by someone above, a lot can change in even a decade if we give it a chance.

Quoting Semaex (Reply 31):
I'm quite convinced that, having posted this statement, you are not thinking for yourself, but thinking what war-agitator and nationalist media want you to think.

I agree with this statement.



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User currently offlineBraniff747SP From United States of America, joined Oct 2008, 2999 posts, RR: 1
Reply 35, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 14884 times:

Quoting cedarjet (Reply 12):
Oh god. There are nearly a million Iranians in LA alone (didn't you know it's really called Tehrangeles?). 80% of the population of Beverly Hills is Iranian (including the mayor). The reason Lufty fly 747s and A340-600s to IKA isn't because there's so much traffic to Germany, they all connect to LA through Frankfurt. Same with Emirates - OK their bread and butter on US routes is the subcontinent (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka) but after that comes Iran. Huge traffic flows every day between US and Iran.

TK does the same.

US - Iran traffic is greatly underestimated. Persian expats routinely go back and forth, but they are forced to go with intermediaries.



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User currently offlineToni_ From Cape Verde, joined Apr 2002, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 36, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 14840 times:

I find it quite nice and refreshing to read this news story. Whether it's feasible or not, just knowing it's being considered makes me happy and optimistic in this day and age.

A ball that from all sides has been held steadily in place for a very long time finally showed some movement again. It might take some time but for me this is a good start.


User currently offlineASA From Bangladesh, joined Dec 2010, 759 posts, RR: 1
Reply 37, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 14053 times:

Quoting Braniff747SP (Reply 35):
TK does the same.

TK is a very active carrier of Iran-US traffic. Quite a few Iranians that I know in Boston use TK for the ease of connections to their hometowns ... 4 cities served in Iran ... and no visa needed to go to Turkey, so they can get a stopover too. Almost ALL of them even got their US visas from Turkey too.


User currently offlineZEDZAG From Croatia, joined May 2012, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 38, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 13866 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 33):
No A330 has the range to fly THR-US non-stop and I wonder if even the A346 could given the 4,000ft elevation of THR.

Actually you dot need ULH frame for this operation

THR is indeed at 4000ft/1220m elevation, but all of LH flights out of Teheran operate out of IKA witch is at 3000ft/1000m elevation

IKA-JFK is 9881km GC distance and IKA-LAX 12250km

So for JFK an A332 will suffice, and for LAX A343 or 77E


User currently offlinearyonoco From Australia, joined May 2012, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 13750 times:

The mere fact that this is being considered brings a smile to my face. Sure, it's still a long way off (if ever), and sure, everyone is being overly optimistic, but surely that's a good thing, right?

In a practical sense, what needs to happen for for IR to fly to US again? Would it be something that the DOT can do by itself or would it require legislation in Congress?

What needs to happen for a US carrier to be able to fly to Iran? I've heard Delta being mentioned by Iranian press, but wouldn't they require exemption from a lot of current sanctions?

Assuming that IR would still not be able to buy any new aircraft, does it have any equipment to be able to fly direct THR-JFK right now? What's the condition of those 747SP? Are they still flying?

As an aviation enthusiast, what I wouldn't give to see a IR 747SP fly THR-JFK daily schedule again. It would look, so... majestic!


User currently offlinejetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7414 posts, RR: 50
Reply 40, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 13664 times:
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Quoting Semaex (Reply 31):
I personally know about 30 Iranian(-European) families, roughly a third of my good and best friends are of Iranian descent. You may not believe me, but 90% of them work as or are about to be either Surgeons, Dentists, Engineers or Carpet Sellers. They've got money!
ALL of them are religious refugees, but that has not prevented them from making a good living. What goes for Europe must go for the US too. They are not rock-bottom folks, they have to much pride, wisdom and persevearance to become poor. And I know that all of them have family-ties to Iran. If they could, they would definitely visit Iran more often. Religious persecution unfortunately still hinders them from entering the country.

I never made any inferences into their financial situation, so i'm not sure where you drew that conclusion. The point I was making was that they've built a life here in this country from their origins that they have less allegiance to. I can't speak intelligently for people I don't know(nor do I pretend to), but I can tell you that not "every" Iranian here in the US is dying to get back to Iran. Many Iranians I've come to know, have a very skeptical, if not dubious opinion of what the Iranian gov't does. To them its all for show and is not enough to convince them that returning to Iran is a priority.



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User currently offlinejmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3299 posts, RR: 15
Reply 41, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 13667 times:

Quoting RussianJet (Reply 10):
Do you have any personal connection with Iran? If not, I strongly doubt that your individual position on that is likely to be any kind of sensible barometer for the market. As I understand it, there are plenty of Persians in the US. A meaningful thaw in relations might well result in a decent market.

It could actually have the potential to be a market like IST. But, first of all...before anything happens...Pastor Saeed Abedini must be released from Evin prison immediately!

[Edited 2013-09-30 11:30:21]


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User currently offlinecopter808 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1119 posts, RR: 1
Reply 42, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 13594 times:

Quoting g500 (Reply 6):
There is too much bad blood and too much history between the U.S and Iran

You may not be old enough to remember it, but at one time we had pretty good relations with Iran. And, don't make the mistake of associating the citizens of a country with it's leadership. If you open your eyes and mind a bit, you will find that most people are very similar.

It make take a while for this to happen, but it's certainly possible. Yes, Cuba may happen first. Very few countries, aside from the US still have sanctions against Cuba.

[Edited 2013-09-30 11:24:01]

User currently offlinejfk777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2006, 8437 posts, RR: 7
Reply 43, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 13524 times:
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Quoting aryonoco (Reply 39):
As an aviation enthusiast, what I wouldn't give to see a IR 747SP fly THR-JFK daily schedule again. It would look, so... majestic!

When the Shah was around and IR flew its 747SP to JFK they stopped at LHR on the way to NYC and nonstop back to Tehran.


User currently offlinecopter808 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1119 posts, RR: 1
Reply 44, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 13452 times:

Quoting fsnuffer (Reply 9):
I don't know about the demand. As an American citizen, I don't think Tehran would be on my list of places to go.

Why not? How much do you really know about Tehran, or Iran. You have no desire to learn about other places and cultures? Unfortunately a typical American (USA) viewpoint.

In all fairness, I was one of you (typical Americans) until I gave travel the opportunity to open my mind.


User currently offlinearyonoco From Australia, joined May 2012, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 13203 times:

Quoting jfk777 (Reply 43):
When the Shah was around and IR flew its 747SP to JFK they stopped at LHR on the way to NYC and nonstop back to Tehran.

Was that to refuel? Or to pick up connecting passengers at LHR?

I always though the SP had the legs to do THR-JFK non-stop, but perhaps I am mistaken. And I assume those enignes would have been a tad more efficient when they were new, as opposed to now.


User currently offlineSANflyr From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 46, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 13072 times:

I would love to visit Iran. By all accounts, the Iranian people are extremely hospitable and as described in multiple posts above...very in tune with US popular culture. Persian history and culture are fascinating and the biggest mistake Americans make about Iran is that is just another Arab country (and I am not knocking Arab culture)...many of us tend to see one large part of the world we do not understand as a homogenous entity. I would feel safer walking the streets of Tehran than Chicago. Iranians are closer to us than we want to give them credit for.
If the US can move on with Japan after they bombed Pearl Harbor, and they can move on with us after we destroyed two of their cities with nuclear bombs..it is time to get on with it and start to acknowledge the things that can bring us together versus dwell on those that divide us.


User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5476 posts, RR: 30
Reply 47, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12942 times:

People seem to forget that the revolution was to get rid of the American imposed dictator, the Shah, and his savage SAVAK secret police. The US and UK conspired to overthrow a democratically elected Iranian government in 1953 and the people had to suffer through 30 years of tyrannical rule...they didn't revolt just to have a wacky good time...they were suffering. When the Ayatollahs seem like a good idea, you know things are pretty grim.

Iran would be one of the best tourist destinations in the middle east. It is steeped in a rich history. It's an amazingly diverse and beautiful country and it has a young, educated, sophisticated population. Half of the 80 million people in the country are under 35.

Iran was one of the more surprising and interesting places I've been to. I landed in the downtown airport in Tehran in 2007, (working for an American company), and was the only white person in a very crowded airport. Many people spoke english and the prevailing attitude towards me was curiosity...mostly about life in America.

Because of a miscommunication with work, I had to walk a couple of miles through Tehran carrying a backpack and dragging a rollerbag. Not only was I not threatened, but every person who approached me asked if I was lost and offered to help. Trust me...I didn't blend in, even a little and everybody automatically assumed I was American...and I wasn't Jihadded...even a little.

Iranians are more than educated and civilized enough to differentiate between the American government and American citizens...and I met quite a few Americans in Iran...and while officially, US companies were not supposed to do business in Iran, none of this was happening in secret and it was obvious that it was unofficially sanctioned.

The emnity between Iran and the US is nothing more than political and media sensationalism. Nothing gets more bombers built than a really good enemy.

The normalization of relations between the US and Iran is long past due and it would be a huge benefit to both countries.

We have a way to go before we get direct flights, but the goal is certainly worthwhile.

[Edited 2013-09-30 12:04:54]


What the...?
User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13302 posts, RR: 100
Reply 48, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12882 times:
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Quoting RussianJet (Reply 10):
As I understand it, there are plenty of Persians in the US. A meaningful thaw in relations might well result in a decent market.

If the visa process both ways was 'simple enough,' I'm certain of the demand.

Quoting lugie (Reply 17):
I would say that the A345 is suitable for this route because - as others have already mentioned - there are more and more of them being second-hand resold (Isn't SQ seeking to sell theirs pretty soon?)

SQ has already sold theirs. There are A346s ex-VS also available and two EK A345s begging for a buyer. The 77Ws are in high demand. If anything happens, only the A345/A346 would be available quickly.

Quoting SANflyr (Reply 46):
it is time to get on with it and start to acknowledge the things that can bring us together versus dwell on those that divide us.

Agree... until I realize Iran is building nukes and there is "Death to America" everywhere. Even in marble at nice hotels!
IMHO, as long as Iran fails to recognize the right for Israel to exist, it would be impossible to normalize relations.

Quoting copter808 (Reply 42):
It make take a while for this to happen, but it's certainly possible. Yes, Cuba may happen first. Very few countries, aside from the US still have sanctions against Cuba.

We aren't close with Iran, but I would agree close with Cuba. It would only take a little negotiation to make Cuba happen.


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User currently offlineLH600 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 164 posts, RR: 1
Reply 49, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12734 times:

Obama needs to get approval from his boss Benjamin Netanyahu and the folks over at AIPAC....

User currently offlinecopter808 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1119 posts, RR: 1
Reply 50, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12679 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 48):
If the visa process both ways was 'simple enough,' I'm certain of the demand.

AS soon as this happens, I'm on my way!


User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5476 posts, RR: 30
Reply 51, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12734 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 48):

First, every US intel agency admits Iran is not building nukes. The IAEA has been inspecting every Iranian site containing nuclear material for years and they say that no nuclear material has been diverted for any reason, including to make weapons. Inspectors are always in Iran...something that keeps being missed in the news because it's not sensational enough.

Former Israeli Deputy Prime Minister Dan Meridor admitted on an interview with Al Jazeera that they misquoted the former Iranian president. He never did, in fact, say Iran would remove Israel from the face of the earth.

Iran does, in fact, recognize Israel's right to exist and Rouhani has openly acknowledged the holocaust calling it a crime against humanity.

There is a lot of misinformation about Iran and the errors are perpetrated by a very lazy new media. Remember the old adage; you can't believe everything you read.

Trust but verify goes for the news media as well as for convenient enemies.



What the...?
User currently offlinearyonoco From Australia, joined May 2012, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 52, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12495 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 48):
IMHO, as long as Iran fails to recognize the right for Israel to exist, it would be impossible to normalize relations.

The US government doesn't seem to have any trouble doing business with many other countries who also don't recognise Israel as a sovereign nation, UAE for example.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love for Iran-Israel relations to change as well. For most of its history, Iran was a very hospitable place for Jews, and until the revolution, hosted a population of over 100,000 Iranian Jews, by far the most in Middle East. Then there is the historically good connection between Jews and Persians stemming from Cyrus The Great's freeing Jews from captivity in Babylon. In my ideal world, Israeli Jews would be as welcome to visit the tomb of Esther and Mordechai in Iran, as Iranian Muslims would be to visit their holy sites in Israel. Imagine the potential for airline activity between the two countries!

But I'm afraid, the possibility of that, short of a complete regime change in Iran, is non-existent, while I'd say there is a good 30% chance of direct flights between Iran and US in the next, 3 years.


User currently offlinearyonoco From Australia, joined May 2012, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 53, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12410 times:

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 51):
The IAEA has been inspecting every Iranian site containing nuclear material for years and they say that no nuclear material has been diverted for any reason, including to make weapons.

Eh?! No! The IAEA is constantly denied access to many of sites it wants to visit, has had many outstanding questions left unanswered by the Iranian government, and has time and time again said, that it cannot vouch for the peacefulness of Iran's nuclear program given the obstacles that the Iranian government keeps throwing in its way. Iran has reneged from its earlier promise to sign the Additional Protocol, giving IAEA inspectors ability to visit without warning. The IAEA has been begging to be able to visit the Fordow site for a good part of 6 months now, a facility where it was suspected Iran carried out nuclear test earlier this year, and has until now been denied to visit.


User currently offlinenomadic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 443 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12356 times:

Quoting BoeingMerica (Reply 19):
The reality is, this is not, I repeat NOT NOT NOT NOT going to happen anytime soon. And by that I mean, check back in 20 years, maybe but probably not.

Look the reality is our next door neighbor, Cuba, who has not been an aggressor towards us since the end of the cold war, only has the rights to overfly the country. Meanwhile, the country that is the state sponsor of terror in the region, the one who openly states they want a nuke to wipe our allies off the map. The one who won't stop until the west is "defeated" and the world is under muslim rule? And were going to allow Americans on these flights, and to travel to Tehran? Sheer Delusion.

Not going to happen. End of discussion.

If the Iranian leaders are sincere about new contacts with the west I think the situation will improve much faster than anyone expects. Remember, there was animosity resulting in no relations with the People's Republic of China for decades. Withing two or three years of President Nixon's visit in the 70's there were a few flights between the U.S. and Beijing. Just look where we are now.

Iran is much more strategically important that Cuba. Good relations could help stabilize the entire Middle East. Relations with Cuba would have improved long ago but for the large Cuban community in South Florida exerting pressure on Congress. In the long run, better relations with both Cuba and Iran would be of benefit to everyone.


User currently offlinearyonoco From Australia, joined May 2012, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 55, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12358 times:

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 51):
Iran does, in fact, recognize Israel's right to exist

No it doesn't. Iran even doesn't utter the word "Israel" in its official communication, it's always referred to as "Occupied Territories", and the Israeli government is always the "Zionist Occupying Regime of Al-Quds".

I would know, because I actually have an Iranian passport, and on the last page of my passport, it says that as long as I adhere to Iran's laws, I am entitled to travel to any country in the world, other than the "Occupied Territories".


User currently offlineBoeingMerica From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 56, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day ago) and read 11296 times:

Quoting Semaex (Reply 31):

Know Iranians? One of my dearest friends is from there. His parents were born in Iran and immigrated sometime before he was born. I am by no means toting the media line... Do you legitimately believe they want to be buddies, that their agenda has changed? That they don't want to wipe Israel or other allies off the map? That they don't want a nuclear weapon? They're simply biding their time... Time, their most important asset at this point.

I encourage you to go read e translated messages put out by Ali Khamenei, the supreme leader. They're full of pro nuclear weapon and anti western talk. Educate yourself, before you go attacking peoples views. It's an appeasement strategy designed to bide time and accomplish their scientific endeavors, nothing more.

BoeingMerica


User currently offlineTC957 From UK - England, joined May 2012, 930 posts, RR: 0
Reply 57, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day ago) and read 11233 times:

It's not just THR being 4000ft up that could dictate aircraft purchase but the normal 40C plus temps in summer as well. So I doubt any A332 could do THR - JFK with a full load year round, especially westbound.
Should sactions be lifted, I would think cargo capacity would be in high demand for US goods and produce exporters.


User currently offlineIR800 From Iran, joined May 2009, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 58, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day ago) and read 11003 times:

Quoting BoeingMerica (Reply 56):

Thanks a lot for educating us about what you call "pro nuclear weapon talk"! Just for more education, could you please address me the source where you've read his messages?

[Edited 2013-09-30 14:15:28]

User currently offlinenimool From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2012, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 59, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day ago) and read 10966 times:

I've read the news in BBC Persian and FB today while i was in my lecture!
I have to say i was quite surprised and shocked. Although all this sanctions including IR to FLY and refuel in Europe and even direct fly to US may take quite of time however i am very hopeful about this matter and think it should and would happen sooner or late!
In Case of they fly to JFK i would think they could probably use SPs that are currently serving china and thailand i guess with maybe a refuelling stop at LHR or paris as they used to do before the revolution or even in matter of new orders if the sanctions get lifted i could see IR getting 77Ws A345-6 or even A380! There could also be an option of buying 744s from LH or other airlines which are being replaced by A380s.
Anyway lets all pray and hope for a good out come and see IR improve and build up their worldwide respect and reputation once more!      



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User currently offlineMiami From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 1642 posts, RR: 51
Reply 60, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day ago) and read 10862 times:
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Question... With what aircraft would they fly into the US??

Iran Air Fleet:
Airbus A300B4
Airbus A300-600R
Airbus A310-200
Airbus A310-300
Airbus A320-200
Boeing 747-100B
Boeing 747-200BM
Boeing 747SP
Fokker 100



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User currently offlineqantas077 From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 5861 posts, RR: 39
Reply 61, posted (1 year 1 month 23 hours ago) and read 10563 times:

Quoting Miami (Reply 60):
Question... With what aircraft would they fly into the US??

none of those, if relations start to thaw then you can bet Iran Air will be lured to the Boeing table for some fleet...



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User currently offlineSemaex From Germany, joined Nov 2009, 827 posts, RR: 2
Reply 62, posted (1 year 1 month 23 hours ago) and read 10539 times:

I share the same enthusiasm when it comes to IR birds flying to the west. It's always been a nice sight to see the A300 coming to FRA (not sure they still use it).
I'm quite certain in a couple of years scheduled service from Iran to the US will resume. I doubt though that the 747SP will make it off the ground. Even if they still have it until then, I could see individual aircrafts blacklisted to the US.
A345 sounds like a good deal, maybe even some second-hand 777.
If I had time and money I'd surely visit "Persia". There's a whole lot of culture unrivaled by European standards... and Europe is already pretty neat.
As an outgoing American, I'd be looking forward to visting such a major world-heritage country as Iran one day.


Quoting BoeingMerica (Reply 56):
Know Iranians? One of my dearest friends is from there. His parents were born in Iran and immigrated sometime before he was born. I am by no means toting the media line... Do you legitimately believe they want to be buddies, that their agenda has changed? That they don't want to wipe Israel or other allies off the map? That they don't want a nuclear weapon? They're simply biding their time... Time, their most important asset at this point.

Do I legitimately believe that the US and Iran want to be buddies? Well, I hear Rouhani talking on the matter... ! The one side that seems to act quite reserved is the US, not the other way around.
I do know that Rouhani does not have ultimate power. He is as much a puppet of the 'Supreme Leader' as the American President is of the Industry. Same difference.

I just wonder why folks, and I include you when I say this, won't even give Iran a chance to prove itself. The new president is in office less than half a year. Cut him some slack and let's see what's happening. When it comes to changing the way his predecessor, Ahmadinedschad, used to rule, there's been a massive improvement already.
Look at his visit at the UN last week. He was travelling with less than 10 peers, and one of them was a Jewish politician.
Can you tell me this man has a fundamental antipathy against Semitism? I doubt it.
Can you tell me the whole nation of Iran is willing to drop nukes on the western world? No.
(Besides, I still don't understand how one country that has thousands of nuclear weapons can righteously forbid another one to posses a single one. Politically the US is just as unstable as Iran, as we can witness in the news these days. Let's not even speak of religious fundamentalism in the Wild West...)

All I can sense from your post is fear of facts which have not been proven. "Let's bomb them before they bomb us" is your only argument. Answer me wholeheartedly: Do you believe this will bring about good relations with and peace in the Middle East?



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User currently offlineIR800 From Iran, joined May 2009, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 63, posted (1 year 1 month 23 hours ago) and read 10310 times:

Quoting Semaex (Reply 62):
I just wonder why folks, and I include you when I say this, won't even give Iran a chance to prove itself.

They have. Back in 2001 Iran assisted US in war in Afghanistan, and then received a good response for that: "Axis of Evil"! I can name several other similar events during last 3 decades.
Anyway this guy reminds me the funny memories of George W. Bush.


User currently offlineeinsteinboricua From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2010, 3199 posts, RR: 8
Reply 64, posted (1 year 1 month 23 hours ago) and read 10205 times:

Quoting Miami (Reply 60):

Question... With what aircraft would they fly into the US??

The Fokker 100 definitely has the range for that   

Quoting qantas077 (Reply 61):
none of those, if relations start to thaw then you can bet Iran Air will be lured to the Boeing table for some fleet...

I don't think so. Perhaps the US can relax sanctions enough to allow IR to purchase from Airbus or to lease planes younger than 7 years indirectly or directly with US firms. But I don't think a Boeing order will happen overnight.



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User currently offlineSANflyr From United States of America, joined Jun 2012, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 65, posted (1 year 1 month 22 hours ago) and read 9890 times:

Quoting einsteinboricua (Reply 64):
Perhaps the US can relax sanctions enough to allow IR to purchase from Airbus or to lease planes younger than 7 years indirectly or directly with US firms.

That would be the adult thing to do. Sanctions only impact the captives of a government, never the government leaders or their favored sponsors.

That aside....and bringing this back to Aviation, I'd be the first to buy a ticket on a LAX-IKA inaugural flight...preferably on a 777 or 340.


User currently offlineTWA772LR From United States of America, joined Nov 2011, 2212 posts, RR: 1
Reply 66, posted (1 year 1 month 22 hours ago) and read 9727 times:

Quoting TC957 (Reply 1):
plenty of A345's now available for starters

Doesn't AI have 77Ls for sale as well? I know and Il-96 couldn't make nonstop Tehran-USA, but could they grab a couple of these and do a one stop in, say, CAI, Tunis, Algiers, or Casablanca? Hell, how about even Tehran-Moscow-USA?

Quoting fsnuffer (Reply 9):
As an American citizen

I see where you are coming from but if I went to Tehran, I wouldn't be so worried.

A few years ago, the Daily Show sent some "correspondents" over there to interview the regular people. Most of the people said they are OK with America and Americans and some actually watch American TV.



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User currently offlineJAAlbert From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1616 posts, RR: 1
Reply 67, posted (1 year 1 month 22 hours ago) and read 9574 times:

You'd think they'd ask for a couple a new planes too.

User currently offlineBoeingMerica From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 68, posted (1 year 1 month 20 hours ago) and read 8755 times:

Quoting Semaex (Reply 62):

Interesting, I'm wondering where I said that line about 'bombing them before they bomb us'... Please show me where I said that....

I'll be checking back frequently, to make sure I don't miss your response.

Boeingmerica


User currently offlineViscount724 From Switzerland, joined Oct 2006, 25700 posts, RR: 22
Reply 69, posted (1 year 1 month 20 hours ago) and read 8631 times:

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 51):
Iran does, in fact, recognize Israel's right to exist and Rouhani has openly acknowledged the holocaust calling it a crime against humanity.

If you're referring to the recent CNN interview, there are many reports saying that the CNN English translation was very poor and he never used the term "holocaust" and much of the rest of the CNN translation was misleading and inaccurate.


User currently offlinesolarflyer22 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Nov 2009, 1109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 70, posted (1 year 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 8258 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 69):
Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 51):
Iran does, in fact, recognize Israel's right to exist and Rouhani has openly acknowledged the holocaust calling it a crime against humanity.

If you're referring to the recent CNN interview, there are many reports saying that the CNN English translation was very poor and he never used the term "holocaust" and much of the rest of the CNN translation was misleading and inaccurate.

I believe I'm the only resident Iranian-American on ANet having been born in Iran and raised in the USA and traveled there several times. Our language is not hard to translate but the official Iranian translation is usually incorrect and sometimes politically slanted. They refer to it as a metaphor normally. "The mass killing of xyz group" etc. Persian Jews may call it Shoah however.


User currently offlinecheeken From Singapore, joined Feb 2010, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 71, posted (1 year 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 8230 times:

Quoting BoeingMerica (Reply 19):
Meanwhile, the country that is the state sponsor of terror in the region, the one who openly states they want a nuke to wipe our allies off the map.

I think you're confusing Iran with North Korea. The one that openly wants to wipe USA and allies off the map with nukes is North Korea. Iran openly said that they nukes are not in their defence and security doctrine...


User currently offlinearyonoco From Australia, joined May 2012, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 72, posted (1 year 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 8196 times:

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 69):
If you're referring to the recent CNN interview, there are many reports saying that the CNN English translation was very poor and he never used the term "holocaust" and much of the rest of the CNN translation was misleading and inaccurate.

Yeah it wasn't the best translation, the PBS Charlie Rose interview had a much better translation. Funny as Christian Amanpour is Iranian-American herself and speaks very fluent Persian, you would think she would have supervised the translation aspect of it a bit more.

But anyway, let's bring this back to aviation, shall we? Does anyone actually know about the condition of those 747SPs? Do they fly regular scheduled services?

Frankly, even if the sanctions are lifted enough to have direct flights, I think the US government allowing IR to buy new/new-ish planes is still a bit further out, so there might very well be a period where IR migh have to make the flight with its current equipment, presumably the SP.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13302 posts, RR: 100
Reply 73, posted (1 year 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 8046 times:
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Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 51):
First, every US intel agency admits Iran is not building nukes.

Then why is Iran concentrating uranium towards weapons grade status when there is no other reason! That virus that destabilized the centrifuges would do nothing towards reactor grade uranium...

Let the UN inspect. If Iran has nothing to hide, then the will be exonerated. Much of the current momentum behind the sanctions is due to the Iranian nuclear program. If they are able to convince enough nations there is not such a program, then the sanctions will lose their bite very quickly.

And why statements about Israel such as: On 15 August 2012, during a meeting with veterans of the Iran-Iraq War, Ayatollah Khamenei said that he was confident that "the fake Zionist (regime) will disappear from the landscape of geography."

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 51):
Iran does, in fact, recognize Israel's right to exist and Rouhani has openly acknowledged the holocaust calling it a crime against humanity.

Show me a link. I've seen numerous references to a 'temporary Zionist state' or worse.

Why is Israel acting otherwise?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...-11e3-97a3-ff2758228523_story.html

This is a 'smilie campaign.' Let's see some reform and I'll change my mind quickly. But reform first... Smilie campaigns have existed since the Spartans were asked for Water and earth.

Quoting aryonoco (Reply 52):
The US government doesn't seem to have any trouble doing business with many other countries who also don't recognise Israel as a sovereign nation, UAE for example.

But the UAE was very cooperative with certain trade and banking measures.... And the UAE doesn't imply Israel is about to disappear. But they did have an interesting row with that assassination of a Hamas representative in Dubai...

I personally do have a problem with the UAE not recognizing Israeli passports and making an issue of "israeli stamps" in other passports... But until the hotels put up "Death to America," I'm not going to be as interested. In particular as the UAE has become such a trade oriented nation.

Quoting aryonoco (Reply 52):
But I'm afraid, the possibility of that, short of a complete regime change in Iran, is non-existent, while I'd say there is a good 30% chance of direct flights between Iran and US in the next, 3 years.

I read your post and see your point of view. However, I would put the chance of direct flights far lower than that. For to have direct flights, bilaterals require reciprocal rights. Do you really see AA, DL, or UA in Iran within 3 years?    I would hope to see a change to allow such flights by US carriers.


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User currently offlinearyonoco From Australia, joined May 2012, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 74, posted (1 year 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 7887 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 73):
For to have direct flights, bilaterals require reciprocal rights. Do you really see AA, DL, or UA in Iran within 3 years?

If there is money to be made, why not? Believe me I know I'm being optimistic (I'm having a good day so let me continue   ) but if sanctions are lightened (I don't think they'll ever be completely removed) and some specific exemptions are given, then yes, why shouldn't DL or UA be interested to steal some passengers back from the ME 3 and TK? The recent BBC Persian article about this news mentioned that DL is in fact the American counterpart that's interested, and it specifically mention ATL-IKA as its proposed route. They didn't substantiate what their source was, and this is clearly very far from official word, but I do completely believe, if the political situation was to improve, American airlines would love to fly back to Iran.

Specific sanction exemptions can be given to American companies, as far as I know, Coca Cola is still officially operating in Iran. It could very well be expanded to the airline industry as well, especially if it's touted as a measure of good will.

Am I being overly optimistic? Yes I know I am, but is it theoretically possible that an American airline would fly to Iran in say 2-3 years? I think it is.


User currently offlinetxjim From United States of America, joined May 2008, 247 posts, RR: 0
Reply 75, posted (1 year 1 month 19 hours ago) and read 7789 times:

Quoting copter808 (Reply 42):

Quoting g500 (Reply 6):
There is too much bad blood and too much history between the U.S and Iran

You may not be old enough to remember it, but at one time we had pretty good relations with Iran.

I spent a good part of my college career with Iranians (understandably terminated with the Iranian hostage crisis). It would be desirable for relations to be normalized although eliminating the anti-US rhetoric would be a nice first step.

Quoting copter808 (Reply 42):
And, don't make the mistake of associating the citizens of a country with it's leadership

  

[Edited 2013-09-30 19:53:01]

User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13302 posts, RR: 100
Reply 76, posted (1 year 1 month 18 hours ago) and read 7157 times:
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Quoting aryonoco (Reply 74):
If there is money to be made, why not?

You have a point. But I wasn't talking about AA, DL, or UA wanting to go to Iran to make a buck. I was talking about Iran providing the services required for them to operate in Iran and inviting them to fly there.

I consider this a bluff on Iran's part. They obviously want an end to sanctions without giving any ground on their part.

Quoting txjim (Reply 75):
although eliminating the anti-US rhetoric would be a nice first step.

Understatement.

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User currently offlineJoeCanuck From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 5476 posts, RR: 30
Reply 77, posted (1 year 1 month 17 hours ago) and read 7019 times:

Quoting aryonoco (Reply 55):
Quoting lightsaber (Reply 73):

The IAEA is constantly inspecting every site containing nuclear material, as is mandated by the NPT. They are allowed to enrich uranium, and no limit is specified. Enrichment to 20 percent for medical reactors....and half of their 20 percent uranium has been converted, which makes it useless for weapons.

What the NPT doesn't require is inspection of sites without nuclear material, such as Parchin, which is a military base. Even the IAEA says they are looking for evidence of conventional explosives research, not nuclear material at Parchin...from something they said Iran did over a decade ago. They say they have, credible evidence, yet won't show it to anyone.

Even people being tried for murder are allowed to see evidence used against them.

As for Parchin, former IAEA inspector and nuclear engineer, Robert Kelley, has pretty much debunked Amano's alleged reasons for inspecting. Google Robert Kelley and Parchin.

[Edited 2013-09-30 21:51:51]


What the...?
User currently offlinearyonoco From Australia, joined May 2012, 236 posts, RR: 0
Reply 78, posted (1 year 1 month 16 hours ago) and read 6433 times:

Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 77):

I was on my way to provide a detailed reply to your post, complete with quotes from IAEA's latest report... but then I realised that this is now completely off topic and your post doesn't have anything to do with civil aviation anymore. Let's try and bring this thread back to topic please.

Any reports on the state of those 747SPs?  


User currently offlineIR800 From Iran, joined May 2009, 47 posts, RR: 0
Reply 79, posted (1 year 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 5780 times:

Quoting aryonoco (Reply 78):
Any reports on the state of those 747SPs?

SPs are still in active. They fly regularly to PEK, KUL & BOM. But till they are banned by EU, they are unable to do the IKA-JFK route.


User currently offlineokapi From France, joined Jun 2006, 217 posts, RR: 0
Reply 80, posted (1 year 1 month 14 hours ago) and read 5513 times:

In the past, USA and Iran have had some form of close ties, in the past...
However, we all know that business is business and sooner or later, the economics will dictate policy. China is far more threatening as a country to most others, including the US but still, business is conducted all the time. Some countries that did not exchange anything in the past have started doing business. Obviously, no direct air link is to be expected very soon but I'm sure within a few years, we'll see it happen. The A345 would indeed be a great aircraft for the route along the 777. Only time will tell...


User currently offlinetexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 81, posted (1 year 1 month 13 hours ago) and read 5509 times:

Despite all of these Anet fantasies about LAX-Tehran flights and despite the absurd comments how Iran is such a great peaceful country, these flights will never happen.

And I especially loved the comments about America is also so bad and "unstable" and the " wild west"!

Let's all get a grip. Iran is a focal point of Shia terrorism, anti-semitism and ruled by hard line ayatollahs. I don't care how great or advanced Persia was. The fact is that Iran is a hard line theocracy.

No flights. Not going to happen. If Iran Americans want to go to Tehran, by all means go to DXB and transfer....



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User currently offlineFlightShadow From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 1002 posts, RR: 6
Reply 82, posted (1 year 1 month 13 hours ago) and read 5378 times:

Quoting francoflier (Reply 3):

I'm sure the US and the EU would be willing to improve the diplomatic and economical relationship, starting with some direct flights, if Iran was to, for instance, allow IAEA investigators to monitor their nuclear program.

  



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User currently offlineSurfandsnow From United States of America, joined Jan 2009, 2888 posts, RR: 31
Reply 83, posted (1 year 1 month 13 hours ago) and read 5278 times:

Quoting IR800 (Thread starter):
Doesn't it seem too optimistic?

Absolutely! The economic benefit of direct flights may seem nice, but I highly doubt Iran is willing to let a bunch of Americans come in to thoroughly inspect everything from the Iran Civil Aviation Organization procedures to the security protocol at IKA...



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User currently offlinen729pa From UK - England, joined Jan 2011, 423 posts, RR: 0
Reply 84, posted (1 year 1 month 13 hours ago) and read 5247 times:

Quoting aryonoco (Reply 45):

Was that to refuel? Or to pick up connecting passengers at LHR?

My dad used to work for Iran Air in the UK from 1978-1992 and they were very good employers actually.

I seem to recall the NYC was both ways, because LHR was also for picking up passengers (therefore you need to bring them back too), I also recall us looking at going to NYC on staff travel but never did unfortunately. I will have to find and check my 1978 timetable, with an Iran Air Captain checking his watch in front of a brand new SP.

I still have one of these at home .......complete with snow



Pan Am and Iran Air used to be next to one another in T3 at LHR, and the staff used to get on very well and help each other sometimes.

Politics are a funny thing, in 1985 who could have forseen in less than 6 years the break up of the Eastern Bloc? Colonel Quadaffi was in and out of favour with the West for years, one minute International terrorist with blood on his hands, then 15 years later he meeting Western leaders. Egypt and Israel signed a peace agreement, when less than 10 years earlier they had been fighting and invading each other's country.

Who's to say that Saudi Arabia will be a Western Ally in 10 years time? Pakistan is not that stable, so if the West can improve relations with Iran, it can only be for the better.


User currently offlineokapi From France, joined Jun 2006, 217 posts, RR: 0
Reply 85, posted (1 year 1 month 11 hours ago) and read 4994 times:

Quoting n729pa (Reply 84):

How true!

Our memory is often flushed by the mass media hype. The same could be said about South Africa and its airlines banned from most of the Dark Continent until the end of the apartheid. As soon as the country opened, the ban was lifted and I remember seeing SAA landing in the Congo (FBM first then FIH). Nowadays, business really dictates politics and it will take some time before the sanctions are (partially) lifted but it is something inevitable.
Meanwhile, Emirates will continue to transport cargo and passengers on a lucrative (?) route.


User currently offlineSemaex From Germany, joined Nov 2009, 827 posts, RR: 2
Reply 86, posted (1 year 1 month 10 hours ago) and read 4945 times:

Quoting BoeingMerica (Reply 68):
Interesting, I'm wondering where I said that line about 'bombing them before they bomb us'... Please show me where I said that....

Please elaborate what else you're implying the US government and its allies should do with Iran. All your rhetorics point at one single solution. I just took the liberty to put it in one sentence.

Quoting texdravid (Reply 81):
Despite all of these Anet fantasies about LAX-Tehran flights and despite the absurd comments how Iran is such a great peaceful country, these flights will never happen.

[...]
Let's all get a grip. Iran is a focal point of Shia terrorism, anti-semitism and ruled by hard line ayatollahs. I don't care how great or advanced Persia was. The fact is that Iran is a hard line theocracy.

No flights. Not going to happen. If Iran Americans want to go to Tehran, by all means go to DXB and transfer....


Let's pretend it's 1988 (that's only 25 years ago). I'll rephrase your post according to the prevailing US opinion of the worldwide political game:

Despite all of these Anet fantasies about US-Moscow flights and despite the absurd comments how the USSR is such a great peaceful country, these flights will never happen.
Let's all get a grip. Moscow is a focal point of Communism, anti-semitism and ruled by a hard line dictator. I don't care how great or advanced the Russian Empire was. The fact is that the USSR is a hard line anti-democraty.
No flights. Not going to happen. If Soviet-Americans want to go to Moscow, by all means go to LHR and transfer....


Now, do you not agree that back in the days this exact phrasing was the most common US-American opinion? Look at where we are and were 10 years after the fall of the USSR and tell me that Iran cannot follow suit.
History has a way of changing, as do governments. I know what I speak of. In 1945 my homecountry was destroyed, internationally isolated and righteously nominated as the prime evil in the killing of millions of Europeans. 60 years later the continent of Europe simply wouldn't function without a strong franco-german relationship.

Quoting texdravid (Reply 81):
And I especially loved the comments about America is also so bad and "unstable" and the " wild west"!

That'd be my comment. But first off: I didn't write "America", I cannot generalize on a continent of vast lands and political opinions.
Prove me wrong, with a nation having to unemploy almost a million workers simply because their leaders couldn't agree on a simple healthcare and financial dispute. If it doesn't get fixed soon, the US is the driving motor for worldwide economic stagnation twice in less than 8 years. That's what I call home-grown worldwide terrorism. Thanks you.

[Edited 2013-10-01 04:00:47]


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User currently onlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4457 posts, RR: 12
Reply 87, posted (1 year 1 month 9 hours ago) and read 4766 times:

Back to aviation here....

Quoting aryonoco (Reply 74):
why shouldn't DL or UA be interested to steal some passengers back from the ME 3 and TK?

I don't think it is that easy to "Steal" pax back. From what I know, just look at New York-Istanbul route. DL can not make it year around and might be leaving, UA quit after 14 months where TK flies 3 x daily.
So, if there were direct flights, no guarantees that American companies will be jumping in.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13302 posts, RR: 100
Reply 88, posted (1 year 1 month 8 hours ago) and read 4695 times:
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Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 77):
Even people being tried for murder are allowed to see evidence used against them.

As for Parchin, former IAEA inspector and nuclear engineer, Robert Kelley, has pretty much debunked Amano's alleged reasons for inspecting. Google Robert Kelley and Parchin.

Then why doesn't Iran just allow the inspections?

http://www.examiner.com/article/iran-refuses-nuclear-inspections

And its *one* buildiing at Parchin that is suspicious. *ONE*!
If that is where the satellite evidence shows there is nuclear material, it is the one that needs to be inspected. They haven't asked for full access to the base, but one building.

There have been enough speaches where Iranian officials have hinted that they have nuclear weapons to make everyone suspicious. And note:
"Contrary to the relevant resolutions of the Board of Governors and the Security Council, Iran has not suspended its enrichment related activities," the IAEA reported in November."

They're enriching beyond medical needs. I point out again that the virus used to disrupt enrichment would have done *zero* to commercial enrichment. It was a clever virus designed to disrupt centrifuges enriching to higher concentrations.

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User currently offlineFlyingsottsman From Australia, joined Oct 2010, 559 posts, RR: 0
Reply 89, posted (1 year 1 month 8 hours ago) and read 4632 times:

Its certinly looks promising, that relations could start to thaw now. It would be good to see IR with either a A345 or 777s in their fleet or the A330s. Just the new President needs to rain in and tell some of the clerics that want to keep Iran in the dark ages to pull their heads in. I ve heard countless storys of the Irianians being very friendly and welcoming people, if they are like the Irianian taxi driver I had one night I would go there for sure he had me in fits of laughter. It will be a long while before we see direct flights but it is sure a promising sight to see maybe both countrys are looking at better relations with each other.

User currently offlineBoeingMerica From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 90, posted (1 year 1 month 7 hours ago) and read 4628 times:

Quoting cheeken (Reply 71):

Your entirely wrong. Just no.

North Korea is simply a nuisance, Iran is a real threat in a ticking time bomb part of hand world.
The North is afraid of everyone, China/Russia their only ally would back them diplomatically, and the south, USA, or Japan; all of whom could pound their 40year old soviet weapons into the ground before they had a chance to use them.

BoeingMerica


User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8511 posts, RR: 10
Reply 91, posted (1 year 1 month 7 hours ago) and read 4590 times:

Quoting ZEDZAG (Reply 38):
So for JFK an A332 will suffice, and for LAX A343 or 77E

Well, if they were to get "new" planes, THR-LAX would have to be the lowest common denominator. It would make no sense to get a different plane for each route. Could a twin like a 77E depart from THR to LAX with a full payload? It's about the same distance as HKG-EWR and the 77E's need a tech stop occasionally on that route. And HKG is at sea level. That is why CX bought the A346 in the first place. I think this route would be right at the limit of either the A343 or 77E. Of the existing planes, they would need an A345/6, 77W/L, or 744/8.

Quoting BoeingMerica (Reply 90):
North Korea is simply a nuisance, Iran is a real threat in a ticking time bomb part of hand world.

Iran is not a threat to anyone but fear mongers. Iran is what is keeping that ticking time bomb from going off, a role that used to belong to Saddam Hussain. That is why establishing relations with Iran is important.


User currently offlineRDH3E From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 1767 posts, RR: 3
Reply 92, posted (1 year 1 month 6 hours ago) and read 4471 times:

Quoting TK787 (Reply 87):
So, if there were direct flights, no guarantees that American companies will be jumping in.

There is a difference. TK and the ME3 can't provide direct service to IKA from the USA. The issue with IST is that TK was dumping their super low fares in the market and pushing yields down to a point where the route was untenable for US based carriers.

To Iran TK would be offering a connection, which could coexist with direct service. Low-yield pax can connect, those that value their time and are willing to pony up the extra dough can fly direct.


User currently offlineLH600 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 164 posts, RR: 1
Reply 93, posted (1 year 1 month 6 hours ago) and read 4366 times:

Quoting n729pa (Reply 84):
mass media hype. The same could be said about South Africa and its
Quoting Semaex (Reply 86):
was lifted and I remember seeing SAA landing in the Congo (FBM first then FIH). Nowadays, business really dictates politics and it will take some time before the sanctions are (partially) lifted but it is something inevitable.
Meanwhile, Emirates will continue to transport cargo and passengers on a lucrative (?) route

     


User currently offlineSemaex From Germany, joined Nov 2009, 827 posts, RR: 2
Reply 94, posted (1 year 1 month 4 hours ago) and read 4234 times:

Quoting LH600 (Reply 93):

Found a glitch. This is not me you're quoting. It's member okapi in reply 85.



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User currently onlineTK787 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 4457 posts, RR: 12
Reply 95, posted (1 year 1 month 4 hours ago) and read 4211 times:

Quoting RDH3E (Reply 92):
Quoting TK787 (Reply 87):
So, if there were direct flights, no guarantees that American companies will be jumping in.

There is a difference. TK and the ME3 can't provide direct service to IKA from the USA.

My point was, IR has a better chance than a US carrier for a nonstop. If it all goes well IR will get a suitable jet ASAP and start a nonstop US route, whereas a US carrier will think twice before putting a 77L/744 to Iran since they could be used in higher yielding, safer options.


User currently offlinetymnbalewne From Bermuda, joined Mar 2005, 952 posts, RR: 1
Reply 96, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3947 times:

Quoting fsnuffer (Reply 9):

I don't know about the demand. As an American citizen, I don't think Tehran would be on my list of places to go.

I too am American, and not of Iranian descent but I'd happily go and visit Iran.



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User currently offlinetexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1361 posts, RR: 0
Reply 97, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3714 times:

Quoting Semaex (Reply 86):
Now, do you not agree that back in the days this exact phrasing was the most common US-American opinion? Look at where we are and were 10 years after the fall of the USSR and tell me that Iran cannot follow suit. History has a way of changing, as do governments. I know what I speak of. In 1945 my homecountry was destroyed, internationally isolated and righteously nominated as the prime evil in the killing of millions of Europeans. 60 years later the continent of Europe simply wouldn't function without a strong franco-german relationship.

Oh come on! The Soviets were a mature and level-headed world power that understood consequences and also understood that radical tirades promising death to America and bloodthirsty messages were completely unproductive and dangerous. Iran is an unhinged, radical actor on the world's stage. There is a reason for the worldwide sanctions against it. No amount of whitewashing can take that away. To compare the Soviets and present day Iran is laughable.

Quoting Semaex (Reply 86):
Prove me wrong, with a nation having to unemploy almost a million workers simply because their leaders couldn't agree on a simple healthcare and financial dispute. If it doesn't get fixed soon, the US is the driving motor for worldwide economic stagnation twice in less than 8 years. That's what I call home-grown worldwide terrorism. Thanks you.

There you go again! To insinuate that the present "government shutdown" (which isn't really a shutdown at all), and the political circus is actually HOME GROWN TERRORISM????
Really sir? Really?

You really are trying too hard to spin for the Iranian ayatollahs and their regime. Stop.
Iran air is not getting new aircraft, and there is not going to be any new flights.
To those that cannot wait to go to Tehran, be my guest on Emirates or such.



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User currently offlineSemaex From Germany, joined Nov 2009, 827 posts, RR: 2
Reply 98, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3411 times:

Quoting texdravid (Reply 97):
Oh come on! The Soviets were a mature and level-headed world power that understood consequences and also understood that radical tirades promising death to America and bloodthirsty messages were completely unproductive and dangerous.

Easy to say that nowadays. Would you have said that 30 years ago?

Quoting texdravid (Reply 97):
Iran is an unhinged, radical actor on the world's stage. There is a reason for the worldwide sanctions against it.

And there is just as much reason to loosen the sanctions. After all, they've not improved relations to the US.

Quoting texdravid (Reply 97):
There you go again! To insinuate that the present "government shutdown" (which isn't really a shutdown at all), and the political circus is actually HOME GROWN TERRORISM????
Really sir? Really?

Not the circus, but its consequences. If you ask a government employee working in a Museum in downtown Frisco these days what he is more afraid of, a terrorist attack on the Golden Gate Bridge or not being able to pay the rent and feed the family, take a guess what he says.

Quoting texdravid (Reply 97):
You really are trying too hard to spin for the Iranian ayatollahs and their regime.

You're trying just as hard to make the status quo sound like the best option  


Back to aviation: Who says that IR or W5 isn't able to buy airplanes? The sanctions against Iran are not followed my all members of the international community. So if Germany sells an A340 to an allied country, that country sells it to a shady reseller and it ends up in perfect shape in Iran, you can try to enforce all the sanctions you want.
(I chose this example, because it has factually happened not too long ago, an ex-LH A340 ending up in the hands of a dictator)



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User currently offlinesolarflyer22 From US Minor Outlying Islands, joined Nov 2009, 1109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 99, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3383 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 73):
That virus that destabilized the centrifuges would do nothing towards reactor grade uranium...

Is that true? Was that above 3.5% or above 20%?

Quoting tymnbalewne (Reply 96):
I too am American, and not of Iranian descent but I'd happily go and visit Iran.

I'm of Iranian descent and to make things even more interesting, I actually took a US citizen to Iran with me in 2002. If you know how to work the system and get in with a expat such as myself its quite easy and safe.

Traffic accidents are actually you're greatest concern there.

For the Americans out there, I don't think you understand the context here. Rouhani has stated since he started campaigning to re-connect with Iranian expatriates everywhere. He is not inviting tourism. He is inviting people with Persian heritage back and encouraging economic development. I can give you more details if you like in non-av. He is specifically trying to get EK, TK or Azerbijan airlines etc. the ability to fly direct to the country.

If you have more questions please ask me. Many of you don't know what you're talking about. No offense.


User currently offlinedennys From France, joined May 2001, 894 posts, RR: 1
Reply 100, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2799 times:

Well. For THR -USA , i shall trust the 4 holers A340-200 or A340-500 .

User currently offlineGr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3116 posts, RR: 4
Reply 101, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2643 times:

Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 7):
There is A LOT that needs to happen before direct US-Iran flights return. Politics can move quickly in some areas, but three decades of zero relations and general mistrust can't be undone in mere months.

It did work in the case of the Soviet Union, didn't it? Why be so pessimistic? It all depends on the leaders of the two countries involved......


User currently offlineIADLHR From Italy, joined Apr 2005, 735 posts, RR: 0
Reply 102, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2372 times:

Quoting Gr8circle (Reply 101):
It did work in the case of the Soviet Union, didn't it? Why be so pessimistic? It all depends on the leaders of the two countries involved.....

The difference between Iran and the Soviet Union is that all through the Cold War we had diplomatic relations and an embassy and an ambassador etc. etc. all of which help speed things up when changes started.

In the case of Iran and the USA is that things will have to pretty much start over again from scratch.There is no US Embassy or ambassador I do think it will be a long while before we have flights ex-Iran-US and there is the security issues that will have to be approved by the USA first.

[Edited 2013-10-06 21:10:04]

User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13302 posts, RR: 100
Reply 103, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 2115 times:
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Quoting Gr8circle (Reply 101):
Quoting atcsundevil (Reply 7):
There is A LOT that needs to happen before direct US-Iran flights return. Politics can move quickly in some areas, but three decades of zero relations and general mistrust can't be undone in mere months.

It did work in the case of the Soviet Union, didn't it? Why be so pessimistic? It all depends on the leaders of the two countries involved......

The US and the Soviets kept up intense negotiations out of the public eye for decades. Both had an Embassy in each other's nation.

Quoting IADLHR (Reply 102):
I do think it will be a long while before we have flights ex-Iran-US and there is the security issues that will have to be approved by the USA first.

  

While I see demand for US to Iran (and vice versa), I think there are too many unresolved issues for direct flights at this time. What demand there is should be adequately be met via European or mid-East hubs.

Quoting okapi (Reply 85):
Meanwhile, Emirates will continue to transport cargo and passengers on a lucrative (?) route.

Hence why we speculate on them entering new North American markets.

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