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Vanilla Air Launch  
User currently offlinetrent1000 From Japan, joined Jan 2007, 573 posts, RR: 2
Posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3230 times:

Following the previous thread, Vanilla Air has been launched in Japan. I'm not sure what the airline code will be.
Air Asia Japan To Rename As Vanilla Air (by ktachiya Aug 19 2013 in Civil Aviation)?threadid=5849452&searchid=5856193&s=vanilla+Air#ID5856193

They're thinking of of flying in the future from Japan to GUM, HNL but will not fly FUK/PUS, perhaps a lucrative route given that Fukuoka is a sister city of Busan and that KE and Air Busan (BX) fly that route twice a day each.

Uniforms are a light blue colour. At the launch, there was a male and female staff member - does this mean that Vanilla Air will have male flight attendants? Besides Starflyer (7G), the main carriers ANA and JAL do not employ male attendants on domestic routes. Why is this so? A friend of mine felt discriminated against for not being able to do this job, which is an extremely rare situation in male-dominated Japan!

Competition must be a good thing... No?

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User currently offlineTC957 From UK - England, joined May 2012, 989 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3101 times:

FUK - PUS is only done twice a day by KE 739's, if it was that lucrative there would be many more flights. Even OZ don't seem to operate this route now. It's also a very short flight, only 133 miles, and there's a ferry service too.

User currently offlinetrent1000 From Japan, joined Jan 2007, 573 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3036 times:

Quoting TC957 (Reply 1):
there's a ferry service too.

True - that takes about three hours, subject more to rough weather than by air and with comparatively few passengers.

Fukuoka population approx 1 million and Busan about 4 million.

Initially Vanilla Air will from December fly to 4 destinations: Seoul, Taipei, Okinawa and Sapporo.


User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2975 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2983 times:

Air Busan also flies twice daily on FUK-PUS.
Until they start flying to FUK or PUS, I doubt they will start FUK-PUS.

Also, NRT-HNL is out of reach for A320.
I am kind of surprised GUM wasn't announced for this winter, but surely will start sometime in 2014 along with possibly SPN.


User currently offlineTC957 From UK - England, joined May 2012, 989 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2966 times:

I'm surprised no one flys NRT - BKI any more since MH dropped this route.
I would have thought Borneo would be a great destination for the Japanese winter sun seekers and at around 2500 miles certainly doable with A320's or B738's.


User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2975 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2903 times:

Quoting TC957 (Reply 4):

Do able with A320s/737NGs - Yes.
However, all the new LCCs have pretty much stated 4 hours as being the max. endurance.
MH probably has much better cost base than any of the Japanese LCCs, so if it doesn't work with MH, I would doubt any of them would dive into such a long-haul LCC route when there are plenty of much shorter int'l routes like GUM, SPN, & CEB that cries for LCC entrance.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7859 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2581 times:

Carpethead and Trent, was this on the news down where u were? I couldnt find anything up here in Tokyo.

Can the 320 hit Palau? I don't think it could....



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19246 posts, RR: 52
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2575 times:

Quoting TC957 (Reply 1):

FUK - PUS is only done twice a day by KE 739's

But stimulating demand through lower fares...



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User currently offlinetrent1000 From Japan, joined Jan 2007, 573 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2151 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 6):
was this on the news down where u were?

Yes, it was reported on a few NHK national news programmes last night (Sep 30th).


User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2975 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 1898 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 6):
Carpethead and Trent, was this on the news down where u were? I couldnt find anything up here in Tokyo.

Can the 320 hit Palau? I don't think it could....

Being based initially out of NRT, I would think Tokyo news stations had it covered.
Palau is certainly within range of NRT, border line duration though.


User currently offlinebluewave 707 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 1482 times:

UAL has an NRT-GUM flight (UAL196/197) that's operated by a 73H, but every other flight is a 752 or larger.

Would Vanilla Air get A330s like their Malaysian and Thai counterparts to fly NRT-GUM and NRT-HNL runs?



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User currently offlineTreeHillRavens From Malaysia, joined Jun 2007, 403 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 1413 times:

Quoting TC957 (Reply 4):
I'm surprised no one flys NRT - BKI any more since MH dropped this route.

MAS is relaunching this route, due to start from 28th Oct 2013 with 3 flights a week. BKI - KIX will be suspended.

MH080 BKI0725 – 1400NRT 738 146
MH081 NRT1455 – 2005BKI 738 146

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 5):
MH probably has much better cost base than any of the Japanese LCCs, so if it doesn't work with MH, I would doubt any of them would dive into such a long-haul LCC route when there are plenty of much shorter int'l routes like GUM, SPN, & CEB that cries for LCC entrance.

It is supposed to but it is not, which is why they have been flushing billions of Ringgit of Malaysia taxpayers money down the toilet since 1997.


User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7859 posts, RR: 19
Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1301 times:

Quoting bluewave 707 (Reply 10):
UAL has an NRT-GUM flight (UAL196/197) that's operated by a 73H, but every other flight is a 752 or larger.

I don't think UA operates 757s out of NRT. I thought it was just sCO 737s and 777s to the islands.

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 9):
Being based initially out of NRT, I would think Tokyo news stations had it covered.

Dang I must have missed it.



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User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2975 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1132 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 12):
I don't think UA operates 757s out of NRT.

Currently, no, but good-ole CO did for a short time around 2000.
It was really short period between the retirement of the 727s until mainland CO had enough 738s for Air Mike. However, NRT-GUM was mostly on DC-10s though.

Quoting TreeHillRavens (Reply 11):
MAS is relaunching this route

I forgot about that. Thanks.

Quoting bluewave 707 (Reply 10):
Would Vanilla Air get A330s like their Malaysian and Thai counterparts to fly NRT-GUM and NRT-HNL runs?

Probably no, since Vanilla Air will have nothing to do with AirAsia plus most carriers in the world do not purchase or lease aircraft with just one route in mind. NRT-GUM is doable with A320s. GUM is not slot restricted so they could run four daily A320s if they want to run JL/DL/UA out of town.


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