Akiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 784 posts, RR: 0 Posted (10 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 18414 times:
Hi guys. Philippine Airlines has received the first of 20 new Airbus A330-300s, which will be used on service to the Middle East and Europe. The first set of A330s feature a high-density 414-seat layout, with the cabin split into Y+ and Y.
Here's the new bird:
(Photo taken by Ian San Gabriel.)
Also, my friend who works for Rappler got to snap some photos of the interior, and she allowed me to share them to aviation forums.
cloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (10 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 18259 times:
It's a bus. It screams of "I don't care about you". It does nothing but to get people from A to B and make money for the airline. It doesn't make you feel happy or cheerful. It doesn't want to make you feel happy or cheerful. It's pure function over form or comfort. That's what it is.
Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 2):
I do wish PR would do something about their livery. The plane is so boring with 90% of it in eurowhite.
YVRSpeedBird From Canada, joined Nov 2011, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 18220 times:
I sure hope that this 9-abreast in Y will only be used for the Middle East high density routes to compete with Cebu Pacific. They haven't released details on the birds that will be used for Europe, Australia & Asia yet... fingers crossed that it will be 8-abreast in Y, with a decent J product & IFE in both cabins.
Their newly-delivered A321's are a big disappointment. Those birds are planned to be the new workhorse for regional destinations, yet have an LCC-like product. Only 2 lavatories for 187 seats in Y, no legrests in J, no more IFE (not even drop-down screens), 29" pitch in Y (on par with the LCC's), 37" in J. Now how are they supposed to be competitive with the legacies in the region?
And what's with their new premium economy that is not so premium after all? You may get a couple of inches of extra legroom, but it's still the same tight width as regular economy on the A330. Compare that to premium economy of CX, JL, BA, etc... And I don't get why they even bothered having premium economy on the A321...
Anyway, exciting times ahead for Asia's first airline... which is also becoming the region's finest LCC.
Quoting YVRSpeedBird (Reply 5): They haven't released details on the birds that will be used for Europe, Australia & Asia yet... fingers crossed that it will be 8-abreast in Y, with a decent J product & IFE in both cabins.
Based on what I know, the A330s destined for those places (the 240T variant) will have fewer seats and will be divided into four classes: J, Y+, Y and Y- ("LCC class"). No word on IFE, but because this is long-haul, it's likely these A330s (which PR will not receive until 2015) will have IFE.
Quoting YVRSpeedBird (Reply 5): And what's with their new premium economy that is not so premium after all? You may get a couple of inches of extra legroom, but it's still the same tight width as regular economy on the A330. Compare that to premium economy of CX, JL, BA, etc...
You're comparing apples and oranges here. PR is nowhere near CX, JL or BA, and will never be (not like they're aiming for it anyway given their clientele). Their Y+ product is closer to KL, CZ and DL in terms of hard product, but let's see how they'll do the soft product. Maybe free iPad use, or J meals, or better Mabuhay Miles accrual (which is already true domestically for those who pay full Y).
Either way, until we see how PR implements Y+, we shouldn't be complaining yet, even if I'm also disappointed at the A321's hard product. People aren't complaining about how the U.S. airlines, or KL, or CZ are implementing Y+, and they're doing it the same way PR is.
Quoting YVRSpeedBird (Reply 5): And I don't get why they even bothered having premium economy on the A321...
CZ has Y+ on their A321s, so why not PR? They must see a market for it somehow.
Quoting YVRSpeedBird (Reply 5): Anyway, exciting times ahead for Asia's first airline... which is also becoming the region's finest LCC.
Like that will happen. (I see the smiley, but seriously.)
PR could put the flag ahead of the title like before...ISO between the end of the windowline and the tailplane leading edge. The tail section is so crowded with it, the rego, the OEM name and the huge stabilizer logo...not to mention the winglet logo that joins the party at some angles. If anything, they should reserve image makeover to their LCC arm PAL Express.
Quote: "The next tranche of A330 deliveries for 2015 will be the 242t variant for services to Europe, Hawaii and Canada.
Airbus expects the newest 242t variant of the A330 to reach London and Vancouver comfortably with the MTOW range of 6,100nm at 300 passengers configuration."
Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 12): will it do the domestic runs to CEB as well in between runs to middle-east??
PR just have six new A333 airframes due shortly against their envisioned ME and regional routes. However, they transferred their original A330s to PALexpress, so those would likely fly to the domestic hubs in the meantime.
Ytraveller From United States of America, joined Jul 2013, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 months 5 days ago) and read 15188 times:
Why no PTV's? I would definitely expect them to be installed on a new aircraft that they purchased. Or are the iPads distributed for a fee and latched onto the seat-back? Either way, I find that quite amazing, set up against all the other Asian carriers on long-haul routes.
B-HOP From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2000, 623 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (10 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 14731 times:
Depend on the route PR choose to took, if they choose the China/Russia route overhead HK, they are able to go to Europe, Finnair does HKG-HEL on 333 with no problem, but on the southern route, they probably couldn't. But they still have 77W though
DocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19419 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (10 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 13918 times:
Quoting Ytraveller (Reply 17): Why no PTV's? I would definitely expect them to be installed on a new aircraft that they purchased. Or are the iPads distributed for a fee and latched onto the seat-back? Either way, I find that quite amazing, set up against all the other Asian carriers on long-haul routes.
Not when they can get migrant laborers to the crystal palaces of Dubai and Abu Dhabi cheaper than the competition can.
PR says that they are going to operate these high-density aircraft to the Mid-East. There is a lot of migrant Filipino labor in the Mid-East these days. I think that PR knows that the few elite businessmen flying to Dubai from the Philippines will be on private aircraft or F-class on another carrier and don't think the market is big enough for a J class.
Europe is more of a business center than the Mid-East and PR would like to entice Europeans to fly on their airline. Hence, the four-class cabin.
That said, the A330 is a very nice-looking plane from without, but the PR livery is euro-white and doesn't do it justice. The A330 is very friendly to passengers from within, but the PR interior just isn't making it look inviting to me.