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PR's First New A330 Is Here!  
User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 776 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 18232 times:

Hi guys. Philippine Airlines has received the first of 20 new Airbus A330-300s, which will be used on service to the Middle East and Europe. The first set of A330s feature a high-density 414-seat layout, with the cabin split into Y+ and Y.

Here's the new bird:



(Photo taken by Ian San Gabriel.)

Also, my friend who works for Rappler got to snap some photos of the interior, and she allowed me to share them to aviation forums.  

(All photos taken by Claire Jiao.)

http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss171/akiestar/1374902_10151896560648841_1741795147_n_zpse9cb1db3.jpg

http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss171/akiestar/1236202_10151896561158841_71740032_n_zps6295ae91.jpg

This is the PAL iPad!  http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss171/akiestar/1383314_10151896560728841_1703410598_n_zps1525bbf5.jpg

Snazzy, isn't it? What do you guys think?

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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10328 posts, RR: 30
Reply 1, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 18253 times:

Quoting Akiestar (Thread starter):
Snazzy, isn't it? What do you guys think?

Another 9-abreast A330      Do you also have pictures from the Y+ section?



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User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2340 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 18175 times:

I do wish PR would do something about their livery. The plane is so boring with 90% of it in eurowhite.


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User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 776 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 18186 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 1):
Another 9-abreast A330

Well, this particular A330 is meant for the Middle East, so Filipinos should be fine in a 9-abreast A330. 
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 1):
Do you also have pictures from the Y+ section?

There aren't any, as far as I know, but once they come I'll post them.  


User currently offlinecloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 18077 times:

It's a bus. It screams of "I don't care about you". It does nothing but to get people from A to B and make money for the airline. It doesn't make you feel happy or cheerful. It doesn't want to make you feel happy or cheerful. It's pure function over form or comfort. That's what it is.

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 2):

I do wish PR would do something about their livery. The plane is so boring with 90% of it in eurowhite.

Get over it.



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User currently offlineYVRSpeedBird From Canada, joined Nov 2011, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 18038 times:

I sure hope that this 9-abreast in Y will only be used for the Middle East high density routes to compete with Cebu Pacific. They haven't released details on the birds that will be used for Europe, Australia & Asia yet... fingers crossed that it will be 8-abreast in Y, with a decent J product & IFE in both cabins.

Their newly-delivered A321's are a big disappointment. Those birds are planned to be the new workhorse for regional destinations, yet have an LCC-like product. Only 2 lavatories for 187 seats in Y, no legrests in J, no more IFE (not even drop-down screens), 29" pitch in Y (on par with the LCC's), 37" in J. Now how are they supposed to be competitive with the legacies in the region?

And what's with their new premium economy that is not so premium after all? You may get a couple of inches of extra legroom, but it's still the same tight width as regular economy on the A330. Compare that to premium economy of CX, JL, BA, etc... And I don't get why they even bothered having premium economy on the A321...

Anyway, exciting times ahead for Asia's first airline... which is also becoming the region's finest LCC. 


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10328 posts, RR: 30
Reply 6, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 17976 times:

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 3):
There aren't any, as far as I know, but once they come I'll post them.

Thanks for sharing anyway  

Quoting cloudyapple (Reply 4):
That's what it is.

Well hello Mister Grinch, stepped out of the bed on the wrong side? You can find the coffee maker on the left.



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User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2340 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 17854 times:

Quoting cloudyapple (Reply 4):
Get over it.

No thanks.



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User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 776 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 17845 times:

Quoting YVRSpeedBird (Reply 5):
I sure hope that this 9-abreast in Y will only be used for the Middle East high density routes to compete with Cebu Pacific.

PR already made it clear that these first A330s are destined for high-density, low-yield Middle East destinations.

http://www.philstar.com/headlines/20...29/1239457/pals-new-airbus-arrives

Quoting YVRSpeedBird (Reply 5):
They haven't released details on the birds that will be used for Europe, Australia & Asia yet... fingers crossed that it will be 8-abreast in Y, with a decent J product & IFE in both cabins.

Based on what I know, the A330s destined for those places (the 240T variant) will have fewer seats and will be divided into four classes: J, Y+, Y and Y- ("LCC class"). No word on IFE, but because this is long-haul, it's likely these A330s (which PR will not receive until 2015) will have IFE.

Quoting YVRSpeedBird (Reply 5):
And what's with their new premium economy that is not so premium after all? You may get a couple of inches of extra legroom, but it's still the same tight width as regular economy on the A330. Compare that to premium economy of CX, JL, BA, etc...

You're comparing apples and oranges here. PR is nowhere near CX, JL or BA, and will never be (not like they're aiming for it anyway given their clientele). Their Y+ product is closer to KL, CZ and DL in terms of hard product, but let's see how they'll do the soft product. Maybe free iPad use, or J meals, or better Mabuhay Miles accrual (which is already true domestically for those who pay full Y).

Either way, until we see how PR implements Y+, we shouldn't be complaining yet, even if I'm also disappointed at the A321's hard product. People aren't complaining about how the U.S. airlines, or KL, or CZ are implementing Y+, and they're doing it the same way PR is.

Quoting YVRSpeedBird (Reply 5):
And I don't get why they even bothered having premium economy on the A321...

CZ has Y+ on their A321s, so why not PR? They must see a market for it somehow.

Quoting YVRSpeedBird (Reply 5):
Anyway, exciting times ahead for Asia's first airline... which is also becoming the region's finest LCC.

Like that will happen. (I see the smiley, but seriously.)


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10328 posts, RR: 30
Reply 9, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 17801 times:

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 8):
the 240T variant

Do you mean the new 242t model?



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User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 776 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 17766 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 9):
Do you mean the new 242t model?

Yes, that one.  


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10328 posts, RR: 30
Reply 11, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 17732 times:

Interesting, I did not know PR had the new 242t A330 on order. Together with SK and DL Airbus has 3 customers for the new variant already.


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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 17663 times:

will it do the domestic runs to CEB as well in between runs to middle-east??

User currently onlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4769 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 16894 times:

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 2):
I do wish PR would do something about their livery.

I do wish they wouldn't.    It's classic and has goodwill and brand recall behind it.

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 2):
The plane is so boring with 90% of it in eurowhite.
PR could put the flag ahead of the title like before...ISO between the end of the windowline and the tailplane leading edge. The tail section is so crowded with it, the rego, the OEM name and the huge stabilizer logo...not to mention the winglet logo that joins the party at some angles. If anything, they should reserve image makeover to their LCC arm PAL Express.

Quoting YVRSpeedBird (Reply 5):
Only 2 lavatories for 187 seats in Y

On this I agree completely...need to go to the lav more often lately...    ...

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 11):
Interesting, I did not know PR had the new 242t A330 on order.

Yes...would be nice traveling east or west long-haul, with only 299 other pax on board...though not sure what it'd do to their yields.....

http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=lhr-mnl-yvr&MS=wls&MR=1200&MX=720x360&PM=*
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=lhr-mnl-yvr&MS=wls&DU=nm

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.se/

Quote:
"The next tranche of A330 deliveries for 2015 will be the 242t variant for services to Europe, Hawaii and Canada.

Airbus expects the newest 242t variant of the A330 to reach London and Vancouver comfortably with the MTOW range of 6,100nm at 300 passengers configuration."



Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 12):
will it do the domestic runs to CEB as well in between runs to middle-east??

PR just have six new A333 airframes due shortly against their envisioned ME and regional routes. However, they transferred their original A330s to PALexpress, so those would likely fly to the domestic hubs in the meantime.



[Edited 2013-09-30 11:32:35]


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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4672 posts, RR: 38
Reply 14, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 16517 times:
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The white looks good on the A330, she is always a looker. Not sure I would be happy with the 9-abreast seating arrangements.   

User currently offlinetrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4592 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 16188 times:
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Quoting Devilfish (Reply 13):
Airbus expects the newest 242t variant of the A330 to reach London and Vancouver comfortably with the MTOW range of 6,100nm at 300 passengers configuration."

Thats optimistic. A 772ER can have trouble doing that against headwinds!!!


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7687 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 16163 times:
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It kind of stops being 'euro white' when it occurs on Asian carriers.


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User currently offlineYtraveller From United States of America, joined Jul 2013, 164 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 15006 times:

Why no PTV's? I would definitely expect them to be installed on a new aircraft that they purchased. Or are the iPads distributed for a fee and latched onto the seat-back? Either way, I find that quite amazing, set up against all the other Asian carriers on long-haul routes.

User currently offlineB-HOP From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2000, 623 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 14549 times:

Depend on the route PR choose to took, if they choose the China/Russia route overhead HK, they are able to go to Europe, Finnair does HKG-HEL on 333 with no problem, but on the southern route, they probably couldn't. But they still have 77W though


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User currently offlinedoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3399 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 14349 times:

Quoting B-HOP (Reply 18):
Finnair does HKG-HEL on 333 with no problem

That is 1600 nm less than MNL-LHR



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User currently offlineAY-MD11 From Finland, joined Feb 2001, 472 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13877 times:

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 13):
"The next tranche of A330 deliveries for 2015 will be the 242t variant for services to Europe, Hawaii and Canada.

Airbus expects the newest 242t variant of the A330 to reach London and Vancouver comfortably with the MTOW range of 6,100nm at 300 passengers configuration."

I told here sometime ago on the PAL A330 thread that A330 242t variant can do MNL-Europe non-stop and it was slammed down that it's impossible.     

Here's the thread.. Philippine Airlines Coming To London, Paris... (by dforce1 Jul 10 2013 in Civil Aviation)#menu27

[Edited 2013-09-30 22:42:38]

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19275 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 13736 times:

Quoting Ytraveller (Reply 17):
Why no PTV's? I would definitely expect them to be installed on a new aircraft that they purchased. Or are the iPads distributed for a fee and latched onto the seat-back? Either way, I find that quite amazing, set up against all the other Asian carriers on long-haul routes.

Not when they can get migrant laborers to the crystal palaces of Dubai and Abu Dhabi cheaper than the competition can.

PR says that they are going to operate these high-density aircraft to the Mid-East. There is a lot of migrant Filipino labor in the Mid-East these days. I think that PR knows that the few elite businessmen flying to Dubai from the Philippines will be on private aircraft or F-class on another carrier and don't think the market is big enough for a J class.

Europe is more of a business center than the Mid-East and PR would like to entice Europeans to fly on their airline. Hence, the four-class cabin.

That said, the A330 is a very nice-looking plane from without, but the PR livery is euro-white and doesn't do it justice. The A330 is very friendly to passengers from within, but the PR interior just isn't making it look inviting to me.


User currently offlineCX Flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6573 posts, RR: 55
Reply 22, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 12797 times:

I actually really like their livery. It is pretty white but something about it makes it so much more interesting than the likes of Lufthansa or Air France.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10328 posts, RR: 30
Reply 23, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 12142 times:

Quoting AY-MD11 (Reply 20):
I told here sometime ago on the PAL A330 thread that A330 242t variant can do MNL-Europe non-stop and it was slammed down that it's impossible.

Sure it can. MNL-LHR for example is 5800nm and the design range of the 242t A330 is 6700nm which means there is 900nm room for headwinds, diversion fuel, food, drinks etc.

FYI, this picture shows what the 242t A330 for SAS will do:

http://oi39.tinypic.com/2pos86t.jpg

Depending on the cabin configuration (SAS is J | Y | Y+) is will be able to make Europe trips without any problem.

[Edited 2013-10-01 01:21:08]


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User currently onlinecovert From Ghana, joined Oct 2001, 1449 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 11922 times:

What is the MTOW of this cattle herder that was just delivered?


thank goodness for TCAS !
25 brilondon : I like the DL version, it has little tvs in all of the seats. This apparently does not. Apples to Oranges. [quote=Devilfish,reply=13]Airbus expects t
26 KarelXWB : The 242t A330 isn't available yet, he asked for the MTOW of the current deliveries.
27 RWA380 : You go on a rant like this, and you have the cajones to call someone else out, by telling them to "Get over it" when they make a perfectly innocent a
28 brilondon : I did not realize that. Maybe you have not flown for a while but that is what flying is all about, getting from A to B.
29 aerorobnz : I just wondered because I saw 5J 333 in MNL operating a domestic flight. I'd rather be on the old 2-4-2 ones anyway
30 Akiestar : iPads (and Wi-Fi) are replacing traditional IFE for both the A321 and the new A330. So yeah, still apples to oranges.
31 Post contains images airbazar : With 300 passengers, not the 414 seats that PAL has in their A333's. It will never make it to Europe with that config.
32 KarelXWB : Note my last sentence below the picture "depending on the cabin configuration". I read somewhere that PR's A330s will be delivered with different cab
33 Post contains images Devilfish : The 286t MTOW variant of the 77E can do 7,730nm...the 263t MTOW version has about similar range as the A33H at 5,960nm with 305 pax. With strong head
34 Post contains links and images Akiestar : Confirmed. SkyscraperCity is your friend. http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=107563294&postcount=37373
35 Post contains images Devilfish : Thanks! Not a very AUHspicious start then. Bugs? [Edited 2013-10-01 09:56:08]
36 Tomassjc : I like the choice of seat colors, now in a deeper shade of blue. The headrest design is nice as well. That's OK, I am usually already happy and cheer
37 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Those SAS A330s will be very spacious with a lot of premium seats, hence only 264 pax. What the range concerns, there's a decent amount of belly frei
38 aerorobnz : That has been my experience too on PAL - they wipe the floor with EK cabin crew that's for sure.. I think this is true of the Philippines in general
39 hybridace101 : Hmmm... the map says that the ideal range is 5700 nm. And that is a 264-passenger A330. PR has way more passengers than that. :
40 debonair : MY opinion, I wished they would have done more colors... The livery and now also the interior is very boring! But what I don't understand at all, why
41 hybridace101 : ^^ Because it weighs less? PAL's target market especially in the middle east is not privvy to these features.
42 SpaceshipDC10 : On the matter of livery, they could enlarge the titles and perhaps use the same blue as on the flag.
43 hybridace101 : May I also add SK? When I flew with SK for its intra-EU/EEA flights, it had (regular) Y marketed as SAS go and W marketed as SAS plus. The seat was a
44 trex8 : Real world flying. EWR-HKG is 7000nm, CO(UA) take payload hits on that regularly with their 772ER!!
45 Post contains links and images Devilfish : Photo of the stand-in A340 which operated the Oct 1 inaugural flight to AUH..... http://albawabacdn.albawabamiddleea....ilippines_Airlines_Water_Canon
46 Post contains links and images Devilfish : That remains to be seen, as there seems to be some resistance from the big guns..... http://philippineairspace.blogspot.s...tains-middle-east-code-sh
47 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : The second A330 of that batch was delivered last week. Here's RP-C8780: 2nd Airbus A330-343 for Philippine Airlines by Curufinwe - David B., on Flick
48 6thfreedom : Rumour is PAL acquiring B757s to resume services to India - Long thin sectors. any info on this?
49 ktachiya : Well, I agree with CX and BA are nowhere near PR but the pathetic improved skyluxe business class on the JLB767 is years behind well........ even PR.
50 Post contains images Devilfish : Why would PR upgauge to B757 when it struggled to fill the A320s that were flying this route ? Besides, they have more A321s coming...of the fenced a
51 6thfreedom : A320's had to stop via BKK as they didn't have the range. 757s would have range to do these sectors non stop. More appealing for India to USA traffic
52 Akiestar : How about the A321?
53 YVRSpeedBird : It's within the range of the A321neo, of which they ordered 10. I suspect a planned return to India is one of the reasons they ordered this aircraft
54 Post contains images malaysia :
55 Post contains links and images Devilfish : You mean PR didn't axe their MNL-DEL-MNL A320 service due to little traffic, but because they had to limit passengers to make the range? Those certai
56 Akiestar : I doubt that will happen. I don't think the Japanese authorities would allow the use of an A320 for international flights to MNL (a pretty significan
57 Post contains images Devilfish : They allowed even A319s before..... .....also A320...and indeed B757 not too long ago..... Maybe this time 5J will deploy their "sharkletted" A320s t
58 Akiestar : I meant this in the context of HND, not in general.
59 Post contains links and images Devilfish : Well, going back...PR has a new destination for its A320s..... http://philippineairspace.blogspot.s...2013/10/pal-flies-vladivostok.html Quote: "Phili
60 Post contains links and images Devilfish : Photo update..... http://s017.radikal.ru/i437/1310/bb/d15880a439ce.jpg No word on the number of passengers on the inaugural flight.
61 Post contains links and images Devilfish : Finally, PR's new A333, RP-C8782 (cn 1449) made it to AUH for the first time..... View Large View MediumPhoto © T.Laurenthttp://philippineairspace.bl
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