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PR's First New A330 Is Here!  
User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 784 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 18597 times:

Hi guys. Philippine Airlines has received the first of 20 new Airbus A330-300s, which will be used on service to the Middle East and Europe. The first set of A330s feature a high-density 414-seat layout, with the cabin split into Y+ and Y.

Here's the new bird:



(Photo taken by Ian San Gabriel.)

Also, my friend who works for Rappler got to snap some photos of the interior, and she allowed me to share them to aviation forums.  

(All photos taken by Claire Jiao.)

http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss171/akiestar/1374902_10151896560648841_1741795147_n_zpse9cb1db3.jpg

http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss171/akiestar/1236202_10151896561158841_71740032_n_zps6295ae91.jpg

This is the PAL iPad!  http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss171/akiestar/1383314_10151896560728841_1703410598_n_zps1525bbf5.jpg

Snazzy, isn't it? What do you guys think?

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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11217 posts, RR: 33
Reply 1, posted (10 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 18618 times:

Quoting Akiestar (Thread starter):
Snazzy, isn't it? What do you guys think?

Another 9-abreast A330      Do you also have pictures from the Y+ section?



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User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2358 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 18540 times:

I do wish PR would do something about their livery. The plane is so boring with 90% of it in eurowhite.


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User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 784 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 18551 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 1):
Another 9-abreast A330

Well, this particular A330 is meant for the Middle East, so Filipinos should be fine in a 9-abreast A330. 
Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 1):
Do you also have pictures from the Y+ section?

There aren't any, as far as I know, but once they come I'll post them.  


User currently offlinecloudyapple From Hong Kong, joined Jul 2005, 2454 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (10 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 18442 times:

It's a bus. It screams of "I don't care about you". It does nothing but to get people from A to B and make money for the airline. It doesn't make you feel happy or cheerful. It doesn't want to make you feel happy or cheerful. It's pure function over form or comfort. That's what it is.

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 2):

I do wish PR would do something about their livery. The plane is so boring with 90% of it in eurowhite.

Get over it.



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User currently offlineYVRSpeedBird From Canada, joined Nov 2011, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 18403 times:

I sure hope that this 9-abreast in Y will only be used for the Middle East high density routes to compete with Cebu Pacific. They haven't released details on the birds that will be used for Europe, Australia & Asia yet... fingers crossed that it will be 8-abreast in Y, with a decent J product & IFE in both cabins.

Their newly-delivered A321's are a big disappointment. Those birds are planned to be the new workhorse for regional destinations, yet have an LCC-like product. Only 2 lavatories for 187 seats in Y, no legrests in J, no more IFE (not even drop-down screens), 29" pitch in Y (on par with the LCC's), 37" in J. Now how are they supposed to be competitive with the legacies in the region?

And what's with their new premium economy that is not so premium after all? You may get a couple of inches of extra legroom, but it's still the same tight width as regular economy on the A330. Compare that to premium economy of CX, JL, BA, etc... And I don't get why they even bothered having premium economy on the A321...

Anyway, exciting times ahead for Asia's first airline... which is also becoming the region's finest LCC. 


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11217 posts, RR: 33
Reply 6, posted (10 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 18341 times:

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 3):
There aren't any, as far as I know, but once they come I'll post them.

Thanks for sharing anyway  

Quoting cloudyapple (Reply 4):
That's what it is.

Well hello Mister Grinch, stepped out of the bed on the wrong side? You can find the coffee maker on the left.



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User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2358 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 18219 times:

Quoting cloudyapple (Reply 4):
Get over it.

No thanks.



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User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 784 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 18210 times:

Quoting YVRSpeedBird (Reply 5):
I sure hope that this 9-abreast in Y will only be used for the Middle East high density routes to compete with Cebu Pacific.

PR already made it clear that these first A330s are destined for high-density, low-yield Middle East destinations.

http://www.philstar.com/headlines/20...29/1239457/pals-new-airbus-arrives

Quoting YVRSpeedBird (Reply 5):
They haven't released details on the birds that will be used for Europe, Australia & Asia yet... fingers crossed that it will be 8-abreast in Y, with a decent J product & IFE in both cabins.

Based on what I know, the A330s destined for those places (the 240T variant) will have fewer seats and will be divided into four classes: J, Y+, Y and Y- ("LCC class"). No word on IFE, but because this is long-haul, it's likely these A330s (which PR will not receive until 2015) will have IFE.

Quoting YVRSpeedBird (Reply 5):
And what's with their new premium economy that is not so premium after all? You may get a couple of inches of extra legroom, but it's still the same tight width as regular economy on the A330. Compare that to premium economy of CX, JL, BA, etc...

You're comparing apples and oranges here. PR is nowhere near CX, JL or BA, and will never be (not like they're aiming for it anyway given their clientele). Their Y+ product is closer to KL, CZ and DL in terms of hard product, but let's see how they'll do the soft product. Maybe free iPad use, or J meals, or better Mabuhay Miles accrual (which is already true domestically for those who pay full Y).

Either way, until we see how PR implements Y+, we shouldn't be complaining yet, even if I'm also disappointed at the A321's hard product. People aren't complaining about how the U.S. airlines, or KL, or CZ are implementing Y+, and they're doing it the same way PR is.

Quoting YVRSpeedBird (Reply 5):
And I don't get why they even bothered having premium economy on the A321...

CZ has Y+ on their A321s, so why not PR? They must see a market for it somehow.

Quoting YVRSpeedBird (Reply 5):
Anyway, exciting times ahead for Asia's first airline... which is also becoming the region's finest LCC.

Like that will happen. (I see the smiley, but seriously.)


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11217 posts, RR: 33
Reply 9, posted (10 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 18166 times:

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 8):
the 240T variant

Do you mean the new 242t model?



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User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 784 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 18131 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 9):
Do you mean the new 242t model?

Yes, that one.  


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11217 posts, RR: 33
Reply 11, posted (10 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 18097 times:

Interesting, I did not know PR had the new 242t A330 on order. Together with SK and DL Airbus has 3 customers for the new variant already.


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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (10 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 18028 times:

will it do the domestic runs to CEB as well in between runs to middle-east??

User currently offlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4797 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (10 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 17259 times:

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 2):
I do wish PR would do something about their livery.

I do wish they wouldn't.    It's classic and has goodwill and brand recall behind it.

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 2):
The plane is so boring with 90% of it in eurowhite.
PR could put the flag ahead of the title like before...ISO between the end of the windowline and the tailplane leading edge. The tail section is so crowded with it, the rego, the OEM name and the huge stabilizer logo...not to mention the winglet logo that joins the party at some angles. If anything, they should reserve image makeover to their LCC arm PAL Express.

Quoting YVRSpeedBird (Reply 5):
Only 2 lavatories for 187 seats in Y

On this I agree completely...need to go to the lav more often lately...    ...

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 11):
Interesting, I did not know PR had the new 242t A330 on order.

Yes...would be nice traveling east or west long-haul, with only 299 other pax on board...though not sure what it'd do to their yields.....

http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=lhr-mnl-yvr&MS=wls&MR=1200&MX=720x360&PM=*
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=lhr-mnl-yvr&MS=wls&DU=nm

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.se/

Quote:
"The next tranche of A330 deliveries for 2015 will be the 242t variant for services to Europe, Hawaii and Canada.

Airbus expects the newest 242t variant of the A330 to reach London and Vancouver comfortably with the MTOW range of 6,100nm at 300 passengers configuration."



Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 12):
will it do the domestic runs to CEB as well in between runs to middle-east??

PR just have six new A333 airframes due shortly against their envisioned ME and regional routes. However, they transferred their original A330s to PALexpress, so those would likely fly to the domestic hubs in the meantime.



[Edited 2013-09-30 11:32:35]


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User currently offlineEPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4721 posts, RR: 39
Reply 14, posted (10 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 16882 times:
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The white looks good on the A330, she is always a looker. Not sure I would be happy with the 9-abreast seating arrangements.   

User currently offlinetrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4745 posts, RR: 14
Reply 15, posted (10 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 16553 times:
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Quoting Devilfish (Reply 13):
Airbus expects the newest 242t variant of the A330 to reach London and Vancouver comfortably with the MTOW range of 6,100nm at 300 passengers configuration."

Thats optimistic. A 772ER can have trouble doing that against headwinds!!!


User currently offlineRussianJet From Belgium, joined Jul 2007, 7694 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (10 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 16528 times:
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It kind of stops being 'euro white' when it occurs on Asian carriers.


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User currently offlineYtraveller From United States of America, joined Jul 2013, 222 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 15371 times:

Why no PTV's? I would definitely expect them to be installed on a new aircraft that they purchased. Or are the iPads distributed for a fee and latched onto the seat-back? Either way, I find that quite amazing, set up against all the other Asian carriers on long-haul routes.

User currently offlineB-HOP From Hong Kong, joined Nov 2000, 629 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 14914 times:

Depend on the route PR choose to took, if they choose the China/Russia route overhead HK, they are able to go to Europe, Finnair does HKG-HEL on 333 with no problem, but on the southern route, they probably couldn't. But they still have 77W though


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User currently offlinedoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3402 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (10 months 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 14715 times:

Quoting B-HOP (Reply 18):
Finnair does HKG-HEL on 333 with no problem

That is 1600 nm less than MNL-LHR



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User currently offlineAY-MD11 From Finland, joined Feb 2001, 472 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 14243 times:

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 13):
"The next tranche of A330 deliveries for 2015 will be the 242t variant for services to Europe, Hawaii and Canada.

Airbus expects the newest 242t variant of the A330 to reach London and Vancouver comfortably with the MTOW range of 6,100nm at 300 passengers configuration."

I told here sometime ago on the PAL A330 thread that A330 242t variant can do MNL-Europe non-stop and it was slammed down that it's impossible.     

Here's the thread.. Philippine Airlines Coming To London, Paris... (by dforce1 Jul 10 2013 in Civil Aviation)#menu27

[Edited 2013-09-30 22:42:38]

User currently offlineDocLightning From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 19509 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (10 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 14101 times:

Quoting Ytraveller (Reply 17):
Why no PTV's? I would definitely expect them to be installed on a new aircraft that they purchased. Or are the iPads distributed for a fee and latched onto the seat-back? Either way, I find that quite amazing, set up against all the other Asian carriers on long-haul routes.

Not when they can get migrant laborers to the crystal palaces of Dubai and Abu Dhabi cheaper than the competition can.

PR says that they are going to operate these high-density aircraft to the Mid-East. There is a lot of migrant Filipino labor in the Mid-East these days. I think that PR knows that the few elite businessmen flying to Dubai from the Philippines will be on private aircraft or F-class on another carrier and don't think the market is big enough for a J class.

Europe is more of a business center than the Mid-East and PR would like to entice Europeans to fly on their airline. Hence, the four-class cabin.

That said, the A330 is a very nice-looking plane from without, but the PR livery is euro-white and doesn't do it justice. The A330 is very friendly to passengers from within, but the PR interior just isn't making it look inviting to me.


User currently offlineCX Flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6597 posts, RR: 55
Reply 22, posted (10 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 13162 times:

I actually really like their livery. It is pretty white but something about it makes it so much more interesting than the likes of Lufthansa or Air France.

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11217 posts, RR: 33
Reply 23, posted (10 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 12507 times:

Quoting AY-MD11 (Reply 20):
I told here sometime ago on the PAL A330 thread that A330 242t variant can do MNL-Europe non-stop and it was slammed down that it's impossible.

Sure it can. MNL-LHR for example is 5800nm and the design range of the 242t A330 is 6700nm which means there is 900nm room for headwinds, diversion fuel, food, drinks etc.

FYI, this picture shows what the 242t A330 for SAS will do:

http://oi39.tinypic.com/2pos86t.jpg

Depending on the cabin configuration (SAS is J | Y | Y+) is will be able to make Europe trips without any problem.

[Edited 2013-10-01 01:21:08]


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User currently offlinecovert From Ghana, joined Oct 2001, 1450 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (10 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12287 times:

What is the MTOW of this cattle herder that was just delivered?


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User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4197 posts, RR: 1
Reply 25, posted (10 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11784 times:

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 8):
Their Y+ product is closer to KL, CZ and DL in terms of hard product

I like the DL version, it has little tvs in all of the seats. This apparently does not. Apples to Oranges.

Quoting covert (Reply 24):
What is the MTOW of this cattle herder that was just delivered?

[quote=Devilfish,reply=13]Airbus expects the newest 242t variant of the A330 to reach London and Vancouver comfortably with the MTOW range of 6,100nm at 300 passengers configuration."[quote]


I believe the information can be found with a little searching on the Airbus website.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11217 posts, RR: 33
Reply 26, posted (10 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 11713 times:

Quoting brilondon (Reply 25):
I believe the information can be found with a little searching on the Airbus website.

The 242t A330 isn't available yet, he asked for the MTOW of the current deliveries.



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User currently offlineRWA380 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3184 posts, RR: 5
Reply 27, posted (10 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12098 times:

Quoting cloudyapple (Reply 4):
It's a bus. It screams of "I don't care about you". It does nothing but to get people from A to B and make money for the airline. It doesn't make you feel happy or cheerful. It doesn't want to make you feel happy or cheerful. It's pure function over form or comfort. That's what it is.
Quoting cloudyapple (Reply 4):
Get over it

You go on a rant like this, and you have the cajones to call someone else out, by telling them to "Get over it" when they make a perfectly innocent and personal comment about the livery? REALLY

What an amazingly obtuse way to express yourself, all the while totally dismissing someone elses opinion about the subject.

PS-Isn't the first rule of airline 101, to get people from point A to point B while making money for the airline?

My first impression, is that PR has targeted their customers well based upon destination. They are able to dedicate tail numbers to certain routes with the different layouts.

The appearance inside and out is clean and fresh compared to PR interiors I have seen before. The seats look as comfortable as most Y seats I see these days, I hope PR is on the right path finally, and right now it looks promising. IMO.



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User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4197 posts, RR: 1
Reply 28, posted (10 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12058 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 26):
The 242t A330 isn't available yet, he asked for the MTOW of the current deliveries.

I did not realize that.

Quoting cloudyapple (Reply 4):
It's a bus. It screams of "I don't care about you". It does nothing but to get people from A to B and make money for the airline. It doesn't make you feel happy or cheerful. It doesn't want to make you feel happy or cheerful. It's pure function over form or comfort. That's what it is.

Maybe you have not flown for a while but that is what flying is all about, getting from A to B.



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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 29, posted (10 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11820 times:

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 13):
PR just have six new A333 airframes due shortly against their envisioned ME and regional routes. However, they transferred their original A330s to PALexpress, so those would likely fly to the domestic hubs in the meantime.

I just wondered because I saw 5J 333 in MNL operating a domestic flight. I'd rather be on the old 2-4-2 ones anyway


User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 784 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (10 months 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 11731 times:

Quoting brilondon (Reply 25):
This apparently does not.

iPads (and Wi-Fi) are replacing traditional IFE for both the A321 and the new A330. So yeah, still apples to oranges.


User currently offlineairbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8287 posts, RR: 10
Reply 31, posted (10 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 11635 times:

Quoting AY-MD11 (Reply 20):
I told here sometime ago on the PAL A330 thread that A330 242t variant can do MNL-Europe non-stop and it was slammed down that it's impossible.

  

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 23):
Sure it can. MNL-LHR for example is 5800nm and the design range of the 242t A330 is 6700nm which means there is 900nm room for headwinds, diversion fuel, food, drinks etc.

   With 300 passengers, not the 414 seats that PAL has in their A333's. It will never make it to Europe with that config.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11217 posts, RR: 33
Reply 32, posted (10 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 11538 times:

Quoting airbazar (Reply 31):
With 300 passengers, not the 414 seats that PAL has in their A333's. It will never make it to Europe with that config.

Note my last sentence below the picture "depending on the cabin configuration".

I read somewhere that PR's A330s will be delivered with different cabin configurations and the 400-seaters are not for Europe.



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User currently offlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4797 posts, RR: 1
Reply 33, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 11370 times:

Quoting trex8 (Reply 15):
Thats optimistic. A 772ER can have trouble doing that against headwinds!!!

The 286t MTOW variant of the 77E can do 7,730nm...the 263t MTOW version has about similar range as the A33H at 5,960nm with 305 pax. With strong headwinds, PR could substitute their "new" A343s...perhaps taking a little hit on their fuel costs.


Quoting B-HOP (Reply 18):
Depend on the route PR choose to took, if they choose the China/Russia route overhead HK, they are able to go to Europe

I think there's a problem with the overflight rates being demanded.

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 23):
MNL-LHR for example is 5800nm and the design range of the 242t A330 is 6700nm which means there is 900nm room for headwinds, diversion fuel, food, drinks etc.

   The chart shows just 5,700nm with 264 pax only    .


Quoting covert (Reply 24):
What is the MTOW of this cattle herder that was just delivered?

235T...as the load would be a little lighter than cattle...and the A333 is quite expensive to be hauling just those.

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 29):
I just wondered because I saw 5J 333 in MNL operating a domestic flight.

I think 5J is flying both their A333s to HKG and PUS only at the moment and thus are able to squeeze in a local destination (CEB), pending start of their ME routes.


Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 32):
I read somewhere that PR's A330s will be delivered with different cabin configurations and the 400-seaters are not for Europe.

The linked blog in Reply 13 above.


BTW, can anyone confirm if RP-C8782 was indeed switched to RP-C3434 for the inaugural flight to AUH?   



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User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 784 posts, RR: 0
Reply 34, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 11330 times:

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 33):
BTW, can anyone confirm if RP-C8782 was indeed switched to RP-C3434 for the inaugural flight to AUH?

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User currently offlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4797 posts, RR: 1
Reply 35, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 11232 times:

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 34):
Confirmed.

Thanks!    Not a very AUHspicious start then. Bugs?   



[Edited 2013-10-01 09:56:08]


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User currently offlineTomassjc From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 864 posts, RR: 2
Reply 36, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 11185 times:
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Quoting cloudyapple (Reply 4):
It's a bus. It screams of "I don't care about you".


I like the choice of seat colors, now in a deeper shade of blue. The headrest design is nice as well.

Quoting cloudyapple (Reply 4):
It doesn't make you feel happy or cheerful


That's OK, I am usually already happy and cheerful when I head for the Philiipines.

Quoting cloudyapple (Reply 4):
It doesn't want to make you feel happy or cheerful


The majority of inflight crews at PR take care of that! Perhaps not 5 star, but IMHO the warmest service in Asia.

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 2):
I do wish PR would do something about their livery. The plane is so boring with 90% of it in eurowhite.


True that the all white may be boring. But it's easy to maintain, and the brand is strong. When many "Kababayans" see that tail logo outside of the P.I. they know they are almost home.

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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11217 posts, RR: 33
Reply 37, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 11101 times:

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 33):
The chart shows just 5,700nm with 264 pax only

Those SAS A330s will be very spacious with a lot of premium seats, hence only 264 pax. What the range concerns, there's a decent amount of belly freight included too.

http://oi40.tinypic.com/2uhbdvl.jpg



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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 38, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 10919 times:

Quoting Tomassjc (Reply 36):
The majority of inflight crews at PR take care of that! Perhaps not 5 star, but IMHO the warmest service in Asia.

That has been my experience too on PAL - they wipe the floor with EK cabin crew that's for sure.. I think this is true of the Philippines in general as well.. If PR have a GA Phoenix from the ashes moment with their hard product they'll easily make ground on some of the bigger names in Aviation product.


User currently offlinehybridace101 From Philippines, joined Mar 2010, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 39, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 10565 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 23):

Hmmm... the map says that the ideal range is 5700 nm. And that is a 264-passenger A330. PR has way more passengers than that. :


User currently offlinedebonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2416 posts, RR: 4
Reply 40, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10518 times:

Quoting Akiestar (Thread starter):
This is the PAL iPad!
Quoting Akiestar (Thread starter):
What do you guys think?

MY opinion, I wished they would have done more colors... The livery and now also the interior is very boring!

But what I don't understand at all, why are these new A330's not equipped with PTV's? For sure, PR will rent out those iPad's, but this money making tool would also work with a fixed LCD screen (like other carrier already doing it!).


User currently offlinehybridace101 From Philippines, joined Mar 2010, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (10 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 10503 times:

^^
Because it weighs less? PAL's target market especially in the middle east is not privvy to these features.


User currently offlineSpaceshipDC10 From Canada, joined Jan 2013, 1705 posts, RR: 3
Reply 42, posted (10 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 10107 times:

On the matter of livery, they could enlarge the titles and perhaps use the same blue as on the flag.


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User currently offlinehybridace101 From Philippines, joined Mar 2010, 25 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (10 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9846 times:

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 8):
Quoting Akiestar (Reply 8):
You're comparing apples and oranges here. PR is nowhere near CX, JL or BA, and will never be (not like they're aiming for it anyway given their clientele). Their Y+ product is closer to KL, CZ and DL in terms of hard product, but let's see how they'll do the soft product. Maybe free iPad use, or J meals, or better Mabuhay Miles accrual (which is already true domestically for those who pay full Y).

May I also add SK? When I flew with SK for its intra-EU/EEA flights, it had (regular) Y marketed as SAS go and W marketed as SAS plus. The seat was almost the same except that the passengers had a dedicated boarding lane and were provided complimentary meals. SAS plus passengers also get more flexibility on their ticket, just as what PR's W passengers are entitled to. There are no barriers (e.g. curtains) though that separate SK's 'go' and 'plus' passengers.

PR, at least for the non-LMBT ME routes, as well as most domestic and some non-LMBT east asian routes, is pretty much what SK is in the EU/EEA.

[Edited 2013-10-02 15:58:00]

[Edited 2013-10-02 15:59:36]

User currently offlinetrex8 From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 4745 posts, RR: 14
Reply 44, posted (10 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 9811 times:
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Quoting Devilfish (Reply 33):
The 286t MTOW variant of the 77E can do 7,730nm...the 263t MTOW version has about similar range as the A33H at 5,960nm with 305 pax. With strong headwinds, PR could substitute their "new" A343s...perhaps taking a little hit on their fuel costs.

Real world flying. EWR-HKG is 7000nm, CO(UA) take payload hits on that regularly with their 772ER!!


User currently offlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4797 posts, RR: 1
Reply 45, posted (10 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9550 times:

Photo of the stand-in A340 which operated the Oct 1 inaugural flight to AUH.....

http://albawabacdn.albawabamiddleea.netdna-cdn.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/article_headline_node_big//sites/default/files/im/pr_new/Philippines_Airlines_Water_Canon.jpg
http://albawabacdn.albawabamiddleea....ilippines_Airlines_Water_Canon.jpg

It seems the rush to hike production and delivery of the IGW A333 had unwelcome effects...   ?

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.s...clark-pal-opens-abu-dhabi-ceb.html

Quote:
"Abu Dhabi Airports welcomed yesterday evening the inaugural flight of Philippine Airlines (PAL), Asia’s first airline, arriving from Manila. The first flight marked the commencement of a five-times weekly service between Abu Dhabi International Airport (AUH) and Manila. PAL will fly to Abu Dhabi five times a week (Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday and Saturday), departing Manila at 4:25 PM and arriving at 9:45 PM. The returning flight leaves Abu Dhabi at 11:15 PM and arrives in Manila at 12:25 PM the next day."



Meanwhile, EK 77L's PIC(?) is shown waving the hosts' tricolor from his window at CRK.....

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http://content.emirates.com/newsimages/CLARK3_tcm133-1368854.jpg


.....giving added impetus for plans to expand facilities there.....

http://www.philstar.com/business/201...2-b-clark-terminal-start-next-year

Quote:
"CLARK, Pampanga, Philippines — Construction of the proposed P7.2-billion low cost carrier terminal at the Clark International Airport is expected to kick off in the second quarter of next year.

Victor Jose Luciano, president and chief executive officer of Clark International Airport Corp. (CIAC), said on the sidelines of the press conference of Emirates on the inaugural Dubai-Clark-Dubai non-stop flights that construction of the budget terminal would take two years and would be completed by the second quarter of 2016.

Luciano said the proposed terminal would have a capacity of between 10 million and 15 million.

According to him, the government is looking whether it could fund the project or tap the private sector through the public private partnership (PPP) scheme.

Diversified conglomerate San Miguel Corp. (SMC) and infrastructure giant Metro Pacific Investments Corp. (MPIC) earlier offered to fund the construction of a new passenger terminal in the former US military airbase.

Luciano added that Aeroport de Paris of France has offered to conduct the detailed and design study for the proposed passenger terminal."


  





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User currently offlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4797 posts, RR: 1
Reply 46, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8634 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 38):
If PR have a GA Phoenix from the ashes moment with their hard product they'll easily make ground on some of the bigger names in Aviation product.

That remains to be seen, as there seems to be some resistance from the big guns.....

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.s...tains-middle-east-code-shares.html

Quote:
"PHILIPPINE Airlines (PAL) maintains its code-share deal with Middle East carriers despite having recently launched its return flight to Abu Dhabi.

PAL President Ramon Ang, in an interview, said the code-share arrangement with Etihad Airways, Emirates Airline and Qatar Airways stays. 'Yes, we will continue. There will be no conflict. The market is big enough for everyone,' he said.

[.....]

With PAL and Qatar Airways on code-share cooperation, Doha will be served by both airlines.

Meanwhile, PAL Express will operate its first long-haul flight to Dubai on November 6 via a code-share arrangement with Emirates. PAL Express will also use the new A330-300 on a five-times-a-week service to Dubai.

Etihad President and Chief Executive Officer James Hogan said PAL’s return to the Middle East will not affect the good relationship between the two airlines.

'The more entrants the better, because it stimulates activity. It may take away some share but it will be good for the people because they will be aware that Abu Dhabi is a transfer point. It’s just a matter of lining up the flights,' he said in an earlier interview."



If PR could fly steadily onward, then they might just make it...  ...

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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 11217 posts, RR: 33
Reply 47, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8301 times:

Quoting Akiestar (Thread starter):
Philippine Airlines has received the first of 20 new Airbus A330-300s

The second A330 of that batch was delivered last week. Here's RP-C8780:


2nd Airbus A330-343 for Philippine Airlines by Curufinwe - David B., on Flickr



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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3325 posts, RR: 20
Reply 48, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 7767 times:

Rumour is PAL acquiring B757s to resume services to India - Long thin sectors.

any info on this?


User currently offlinektachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1793 posts, RR: 2
Reply 49, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 7662 times:

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 7):
PR is nowhere near CX, JL or BA

Well, I agree with CX and BA are nowhere near PR but the pathetic improved skyluxe business class on the JLB767 is years behind well........ even PR.



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User currently offlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4797 posts, RR: 1
Reply 50, posted (10 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 7356 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 48):
Rumour is PAL acquiring B757s to resume services to India - Long thin sectors.

Why would PR upgauge to B757 when it struggled to fill the A320s that were flying this route    ?

Besides, they have more A321s coming...of the fenced and sharkletted variety.....

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Are those 757s being foisted on PR in exchange for something?   



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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3325 posts, RR: 20
Reply 51, posted (10 months 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6793 times:

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 50):
Why would PR upgauge to B757 when it struggled to fill the A320s that were flying this route

A320's had to stop via BKK as they didn't have the range.
757s would have range to do these sectors non stop.
More appealing for India to USA traffic via Manila.


User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 784 posts, RR: 0
Reply 52, posted (10 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6576 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 51):
A320's had to stop via BKK as they didn't have the range.

How about the A321?


User currently offlineYVRSpeedBird From Canada, joined Nov 2011, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 53, posted (10 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6535 times:

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 52):
How about the A321?

It's within the range of the A321neo, of which they ordered 10. I suspect a planned return to India is one of the reasons they ordered this aircraft as this market is too important to ignore in the future. It is also capable of flying to BNE or PER without the need to stop in DRW. I just hope they don't keep their current A321ceo configuration for the neo if they are to potentially use this aircraft for longer stage lengths. Or heaven forbid outfit it with Airbus' new high density option deactivating Doors 2R/2L and adding overwing exits.


User currently offlinemalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3342 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (10 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6421 times:

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 7):
No thanks.

  



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User currently offlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4797 posts, RR: 1
Reply 55, posted (10 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 6064 times:

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 51):
A320's had to stop via BKK as they didn't have the range.

You mean PR didn't axe their MNL-DEL-MNL A320 service due to little traffic, but because they had to limit passengers to make the range?

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 51):
757s would have range to do these sectors non stop.

Those certainly would...but could PR fill the plane enough to justify the higher trip costs and mx? A little payload hit with the A321ceo can be a better tack and may provide more worthwhile yields.

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 51):
More appealing for India to USA traffic via Manila.

That seems promising...especially when Cat II is lifted.....

http://www.gcmap.com/map?P=del-mnl-lax/sfo/yvr&MS=wls&MR=900&MX=720x360&PM=*
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=del-mnl-lax%2Fsfo%2Fyvr&MS=wls&DU=nm


Meanwhile, one of the main drivers for PR's new batch of A333s has just materialised.....

http://www.haneda-airport.jp/en/images/top.jpg

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.s.../10/pal-bags-all-haneda-slots.html

Quote:
"The Civil Aeronautics Board (CAB) has awarded Philippine Airlines (PAL) 14 slots out of Tokyo's Haneda Airport, citing premium services offered by the airline. It will join Japan's Air Nippon Airways (ANA )in servicing the route next summer.

CAB Executive Director Carmelo Arcilla said that Haneda is a premium airport which primarily caters to 'corporate and business travel' as distinguished from leisure travel offered by other airport applicants.

Japan regulators aim is to keep Narita as the general international gateway to Tokyo while Haneda airport as Tokyo's business hub."



It's a good bet that the other LCCs will appeal this decision...while PR works the details with the authorities in Japan.

Wonder if PR would opt for a paper derate on their HND bound A333s to save on charges...that could limit their flexibility significantly?



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User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 784 posts, RR: 0
Reply 56, posted (10 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5765 times:

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 55):
It's a good bet that the other LCCs will appeal this decision...while PR works the details with the authorities in Japan.

I doubt that will happen. I don't think the Japanese authorities would allow the use of an A320 for international flights to MNL (a pretty significant distance) from an airline like 5J, Z2 or DG.

5J should be happy as it is that they got almost all the service they asked for (including NRT slots, and service to CTS, FUK and a bunch of other places).


User currently offlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4797 posts, RR: 1
Reply 57, posted (10 months 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 5526 times:

Quoting Akiestar (Reply 56):
I don't think the Japanese authorities would allow the use of an A320 for international flights to MNL (a pretty significant distance) from an airline like 5J

They allowed even A319s before.....

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.....also A320...and indeed B757 not too long ago.....

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Maybe this time 5J will deploy their "sharkletted" A320s there...pending their order of A321NEOs...   ...

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User currently offlineAkiestar From Philippines, joined May 2009, 784 posts, RR: 0
Reply 58, posted (10 months 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5319 times:

Quoting Devilfish (Reply 57):

I meant this in the context of HND, not in general.


User currently offlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4797 posts, RR: 1
Reply 59, posted (9 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4886 times:

Well, going back...PR has a new destination for its A320s.....

http://vvo.aero/assets/gallery/482/terminal1.jpg

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.s...2013/10/pal-flies-vladivostok.html

Quote:
"Philippine Airlines will fly Airbus 320 jets to Eastern Russia in Vladivostok starting 27 October 2013 with charter services paid for by Russian travel company TM Biletur.

'The charters are fully paid for by Biletur, and if everything goes well, the service could grow into a regular flight,' said Valeri Ishunkin, the Philippines’ Department of Tourism (DoT) marketing representative for Russia.

The chartered flights are meant to address the 'growing tourist arrivals from Russia,' PAL said in a statement Saturday before the inaugural flight.

The first flight from Vladivostok PR761 departs at 8 am Russian time, arriving in Manila at 9:30 am October 27. Its return flight PR760 leaves Manila at 11 pm on Thursday, November 7, arriving in Vladivostok at 6:30 am.

Chartered flights to and from the two cities will be scheduled every 10 days and will run until April 2014 where regular schedules flight is hoped to be in place after approval of air services agreement with Russia."


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http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=mnl-vvo&MS=wls&DU=nm

   Vacationers heading to warmer, less expensive holiday climes to escape the harsh Siberian winter?    PR better check that their A320s' deicing systems are in excellent working condition.



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User currently offlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4797 posts, RR: 1
Reply 60, posted (9 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 4341 times:

Photo update.....

http://s017.radikal.ru/i437/1310/bb/d15880a439ce.jpg
http://s017.radikal.ru/i437/1310/bb/d15880a439ce.jpg


No word on the number of passengers on the inaugural flight.



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User currently offlineDevilfish From Philippines, joined Jan 2006, 4797 posts, RR: 1
Reply 61, posted (9 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 4026 times:

Finally, PR's new A333, RP-C8782 (cn 1449) made it to AUH for the first time.....

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http://philippineairspace.blogspot.s...wo-new-a321sl-joins-pal-fleet.html

Quote:
"In other news, the new generation A330-343X plane (RP-C9282) flew for the first time this afternoon bound for Abu-Dhabi in the United Arab Emirates. Its sister plane (RP-C9280) is scheduled to fly Dubai on Monday, November 4 under PAL Express."

I think there's a mix up in the Philippine registration numbers.   Hope someone will post actual exterior and cabin photos of RP-C8782(?) @ AUH! It may show differences (if any) between PR and 2P's soft products and seating configurations.


Also, their fourth and fifth A321-231SLs have both been delivered.....

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http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YTqnDNWXfL...Z-f1w/s400/A321_DAVZI_141013gl.JPG

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http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-8eGF8OvoWk...C2V7Y/s400/A321_DAVZH_181013ll.JPG

Quote:
"The fourth A321 plane of the PR fleet, RP-C9905 (MSN 5820) arrived in Manila at 6:30pm under delivery flight no. 8, while the fifth A321, registered as RP-C9906 (MSN 5825) arrived 30 minutes later under delivery flight no. 9."


These aircraft will ease PR's scheduling and allow them to assign the better suited plane for a particular sector.  



[Edited 2013-10-30 08:35:22]


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