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OAG Changes 10/4/2013: DL/B6/UA/US  
User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7552 posts, RR: 14
Posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6436 times:

FAQ

WHAT IS THIS REPORT?
This compares what is for sale THIS WEEK for the stated period versus what was for sale LAST WEEK...It does NOT compare to last year or now (UNLESS OTHERWISE STATED).

HOW DO I READ IT?
XXX-YYY DEC 4>5 JAN 4>5 ; means that the listed airline changed the frequency between the two airports to add from 4 to 5 roundtrips in December and January. No other months were changed. I only list one direction, although it is possible the listed change is only one way. It is too difficult to average the two directions. I assume the change is roundtrip and that is most often the case.

HOW ARE THE DAILY DEPARTURES CALCULATED?
This report uses total operations for the month listed, divided over the days in the month.

WHAT ARE THE FRACTIONAL FLIGHTS?
Non-daily operations create fractional weekly service. In most cases flights are rounded, but in the case of international service or markets with low frequency, fractions are shown. If a flight operates less than daily it will become affected by the unqual number of days in each month. For example, if a flight runs on Tuesdays only and a month has 5 Tuesdays it will show 5/31=.16=0.2 (if 31 days), but 4/31=.129=.1 if the month has 4 Tuesdays.

WHAT ABOUT CARRIERS THAT DON'T PUBLISH A SCHEDULE 9 MONTHS IN ADVANCE?
Most airlines publish schedules 11 months in advance. This report covers the next 9 months. That avoids seeing schedules as they are loaded. Several LCCs load their schedules less than 9 months into the future. I remove the schedule adds if I see them and show a year over year (YOY) comparison if I notice them.

THOSE FLIGHTS AREN'T DELTA, THEY ARE PINNACLE
This report only shows the marketing code. It is too complicated to show all the operators.

THE FREQUENCIES MAY HAVE CHANGED AS YOU SHOW, BUT THE SEATS DIDNT CHANGE BECAUSE OF EQUIPMENT SWAPS
That is a natural weakness of a frequency based report, but it provides something to discuss below.

THIS LOOKS LIKE AN ERROR?
The carriers file the schedules. They do make mistakes. Most of the mistakes I have seen are either related to code shares not being marked as "duplicates" or carriers filing flights with invalid data such as equipment codes that are not standard. This causes flights to not appear.

CHARTERS?
Lately charters have been showing up in the database. I have no idea if that will continue.

I marked some of the ones I thought were interesting with an "*".


3M GNV-MCO DEC 1.0>1.8 JAN 1.0>1.9 FEB 1.0>1.9 MAR 1.0>1.8 APR 1.0>1.9 MAY 1.0>1.9
3M GNV-TPA DEC 3>2 JAN 3>2 FEB 3>2 MAR 3>2 APR 3>2 MAY 3>2

7S ANI-SHX OCT 0.4>0.2
7S ANV-HCR OCT 0.4>0.2

9K HPN-MVY APR 0.1>0.0

AA DFW-AMA APR 7>8 MAY 7>8
AA DFW-LAS APR 11>12 MAY 11>12

*AM LAS-GDL NOV 0>0.4 DEC 0>0.5 JAN 0>0.6 FEB 0>0.6 MAR 0>0.6 APR 0>0.5 MAY 0>0.6

AS SAN-SJD APR 2>1.8 MAY 2>1.9

DL ALB-MSP JAN 0.9>0.6
DL ATL-ABQ MAY 3>2
DL ATL-BTR JAN 7>8
DL ATL-GRU MAR 1.0>2 APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>2
DL ATL-JAN JAN 8>7 FEB 8>7 MAR 8>7 APR 8>7 MAY 8>7
DL ATL-JAX JAN 11>10
DL ATL-SHV JAN 7>6
DL BDL-MCO FEB 0.6>0.1 MAR 1.0>0.2
DL BWI-MSP JAN 4>3
DL DTW-CMH JAN 6>5
DL DTW-ORD JAN 7>6
DL DTW-PDX JAN 1.0>0.6
DL IAH-MSP APR 5>6 MAY 5>6
B6 response
*DL JFK-SAV MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
DL LAS-SEA APR 4>5 MAY 4>5
That's a lot of capacity
*DL LAX-LAS JAN 7>9 FEB 7>9 MAR 7>9 APR 7>9 MAY 7>9
DL LAX-SFO FEB 15>14 MAR 15>14 APR 15>14 MAY 15>14
DL LAX-TPA JAN 0.9>0.6
DL LGA-CVG JAN 6>5
DL LGA-DCA JAN 12>11 FEB 13>12
DL MIA-LAX JAN 0.9>0.6
DL MSP-TUS JAN 0.9>0.6
It'll be interesting to see if UA responds
*DL SEA-SFO APR 0>5 MAY 0>5
DL SLC-SUN JAN 5>3 FEB 5>3 MAR 5>3

Reverses last week
*HA HNL-JFK OCT 0>0.7 NOV 0>0.8 DEC 0>0.9 JAN 0>1.0 FEB 0>1.0 MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
*HA HNL-TPE OCT 0>0.5 NOV 0>0.4 DEC 0>0.5 JAN 0>0.4 FEB 0>0.4 MAR 0>0.4 APR 0>0.4 MAY 0>0.4

NZ HNL-AKL APR 0.3>0.4 MAY 0.3>0.5

PD BOS-YTZ FEB 5>6 MAR 5>6
PD IAD-YTZ JAN 3>1.9 FEB 3>1.9 MAR 3>1.8

PK JFK-LHE APR 0.3>0.2 MAY 0.3>0.1

SE JFK-CDG MAY 0>0.5

SY DCA-LAN MAY 0>0.8
SY DCA-MSP MAY 0>1.0
SY MCO-MSP MAY 0>1.0
SY MSP-CUN DEC 0.5>0.6

UA ANC-SEA JAN 1.9>1.2
UA CLE-BTV FEB 1.4>1.0
UA CLE-SDF JAN 3>1.6
UA DEN-COS FEB 10>9
UA DEN-FLL MAR 1.0>1.8
UA DEN-GJT FEB 5>4
UA DEN-HSV FEB 1.5>1.0
UA DEN-MFR FEB 1.5>1.0
UA DEN-MLI FEB 1.6>1.0
UA DEN-RAP FEB 6>5
UA EWR-DAY FEB 3>1.8
UA IAD-CAE JAN 3>4
UA IAD-FLL MAY 1.0>0.2
UA IAD-HNL JAN 0.9>0.3 FEB 0.9>0.4 APR 0.8>0.6
UA IAD-SAT MAR 2>3 APR 2>3 MAY 2>3
UA IAH-DEN FEB 11>12
UA LAX-ABQ JAN 1.8>1.2 FEB 1.7>1.0
UA LAX-CLD JAN 8>7 FEB 8>7
UA LAX-COS JAN 3>2
UA LAX-PDX JAN 3>1.9 FEB 3>1.9
UA LAX-PIT JAN 0.9>0.6
UA LAX-PSP NOV 5>6 DEC 5>6 JAN 5>7 FEB 5>7
UA LAX-SAN JAN 13>12 FEB 13>12
UA ORD-BOI JAN 2>1.2
UA ORD-CLT JAN 6>5
UA ORD-CMH JAN 7>6
UA ORD-DAY JAN 6>7
UA ORD-DSM JAN 6>7
*UA ORD-EDI MAY 0>0.3
UA ORD-EWR JAN 14>13
UA ORD-MLI JAN 6>5
UA ORD-MSY JAN 3>4
UA ORD-OKC JAN 4>3
UA ORD-ROC JAN 5>4
UA ORD-SRQ MAR 1.0>2
UA ORD-TYS JAN 4>3
UA ORD-XNA JAN 3>1.6
UA SFO-ASE JAN 1.9>1.2
UA SFO-BUR JAN 6>5 FEB 6>5
UA SFO-CLE FEB 1.5>1.0
UA SFO-EUG FEB 7>6
UA SFO-IAD FEB 10>9
UA SFO-JFK NOV 7>8
UA SFO-MFR JAN 7>6 FEB 7>6
UA SFO-MRY JAN 6>4 FEB 6>4
UA SFO-PIT JAN 0.9>0.5
UA SFO-PSP JAN 6>7 FEB 5>7
UA SFO-RDM FEB 3>2
UA SFO-SEA FEB 10>8
UA SFO-SLC FEB 4>5
UA SFO-SNA FEB 8>7
UA SFO-STL JAN 0.9>0.6
UA SFO-TUS JAN 1.4>3 FEB 1.0>2

US BOS-BUF DEC 3>1.8

Comparing the Holiday cut on BOS-LGA to DCA-LGA shows how awful the BOS leg must now be since they sold the slots at LGA.
*US BOS-LGA DEC 13>9 JAN 14>12
US BOS-MDT DEC 1.3>0.8
US BOS-PIT DEC 4>3
US BOS-RIC DEC 3>1.7
US BOS-ROC DEC 3>1.7
US BOS-SYR DEC 1.6>1.1
US DCA-AGS DEC 0.9>0.6
*US DCA-BOS DEC 14>11 JAN 14>12
US DCA-EYW DEC 0.4>0.3
US DCA-FAY DEC 0.9>0.6
US DCA-HHH DEC 0.1>0.0
US DCA-IND DEC 6>5
*US DCA-LGA DEC 14>11 JAN 14>13
US DCA-LIT DEC 0.9>0.6
US DCA-OAJ DEC 0.9>0.6
US DCA-RDU DEC 7>6
US DCA-VPS DEC 0.9>0.7
US PHL-BOS DEC 17>14 JAN 18>16
US PHL-LGA DEC 13>12

VR BOS-RAI NOV 0.3>0.2 FEB 0.3>0.1 MAR 0.3>0.1

WP GGW-OLF OCT 1.7>0.8 NOV 1.7>0.7 DEC 1.7>0.7 JAN 1.7>0.7 FEB 1.7>0.7 MAR 1.7>0.7 APR 1.7>0.7 MAY 1.7>0.7

YV HNL-ITO NOV 3>2 DEC 3>2 JAN 3>2
YV HNL-KOA NOV 7>6 DEC 7>6 JAN 7>6
YV HNL-OGG NOV 7>6 DEC 7>6 JAN 7>6

ZK CYS-DEN NOV 6>5 DEC 6>5 JAN 6>5 FEB 6>5 MAR 6>5 APR 6>5 MAY 6>5
*ZK DEN-SAF NOV 0.9>0.1 DEC 0.8>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 0.8>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.9>0
ZK IGM-PRC NOV 1.0>0.1 DEC 1.0>0 JAN 1.0>0 FEB 1.0>0 MAR 1.0>0 APR 1.0>0 MAY 1.0>0
ZK LAX-PRC NOV 1.0>1.9 DEC 1.0>2 JAN 1.0>2 FEB 1.0>2 MAR 1.0>2 APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>2
*ZK PHX-SAF NOV 0.9>0.1 DEC 0.8>0 JAN 0.9>0 FEB 0.9>0 MAR 0.8>0 APR 0.9>0 MAY 0.9>0

B6 YOY comparison.
B6 AUS-SFO MAR 1.4>1.0 MAY 1.4>1.0
B6 BDL-RSW MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0
B6 BDL-TPA MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
B6 BOS-ACK MAY 0.4>0.3
B6 BOS-AUA MAR 1.6>1.2 APR 1.5>1.1
B6 BOS-BUF MAR 3>4
B6 BOS-BWI MAR 5>6
B6 BOS-CUN MAY 0.4>0.6
B6 BOS-HOU MAR 0>2 APR 0>2 MAY 0>1.8
B6 BOS-IAD MAR 3>4
B6 BOS-JAX MAR 1.0>2 APR 1.3>2
B6 BOS-LAS MAR 3>1.8 APR 3>1.9 MAY 3>2
B6 BOS-LAX MAR 3>1.8 MAY 1.8>3
B6 BOS-PDX APR 0.8>0
B6 BOS-PHL MAR 0>5 APR 0>5 MAY 1.4>5
B6 BOS-PIT MAR 3>4 APR 3>4
B6 BOS-PLS MAR 0.2>0.3
B6 BOS-RDU MAR 4>5
B6 BOS-RIC MAR 2>3 APR 2>3
B6 BOS-RSW MAR 7>6 APR 7>6
B6 BOS-SAN MAR 1.0>1.9 APR 1.0>1.9
B6 BOS-SEA MAR 1.0>1.7 APR 1.0>1.8 MAY 3>1.5
B6 BOS-SJU MAR 4>3 APR 4>3
B6 BOS-STI MAR 0.6>0.4 MAY 0.5>0.7
B6 BOS-STT MAY 0.6>0.2
B6 BOS-SXM MAR 0.5>0.3
B6 EWR-PBI MAR 2>3 APR 1.7>3
B6 FLL-BOS MAR 8>7 MAY 6>5
B6 FLL-HPN MAR 3>2 APR 4>2 MAY 3>2
B6 FLL-LIM MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
B6 FLL-MDE MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
B6 FLL-ORH MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
B6 FLL-PAP MAR 0>2 APR 0>2 MAY 0>2
B6 FLL-SDQ MAR 2>1.6 APR 2>1.5
B6 FLL-SFO MAR 1.0>1.7 APR 1.0>1.9
B6 FLL-SJO MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
B6 FLL-SJU MAR 5>6 APR 5>6
B6 JFK-ABQ MAR 0>1.0 APR 0.3>1.0
B6 JFK-AUA MAR 1.9>2 APR 1.6>2
B6 JFK-BDA APR 1.0>0.7
B6 JFK-BOS MAY 7>8
B6 JFK-BQN APR 1.3>2 MAY 1.1>2
B6 JFK-BTV MAR 4>3
B6 JFK-CUN APR 4>3
B6 JFK-LIR MAR 0.7>1.0 APR 0.8>1.0 MAY 0.4>0.6
B6 JFK-LRM MAR 0.3>0.5 APR 0.3>0.4
B6 JFK-MBJ MAR 1.6>2 APR 1.7>2 MAY 1.2>1.4
B6 JFK-PAP MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
B6 JFK-PUJ MAR 1.6>2 APR 1.5>2 MAY 1.1>2
B6 JFK-ROC MAR 4>3
B6 JFK-SAV MAR 0>2 APR 0>2 MAY 0>2
B6 JFK-STI MAY 6>5
B6 JFK-UVF MAY 0.5>1.0
B6 MCO-BOS MAR 8>7
B6 MCO-BQN MAY 1.3>1.5
B6 MCO-CUN MAY 1.0>1.2
B6 MCO-HPN MAY 5>4
B6 MCO-NAS MAR 1.0>1.2 APR 1.0>1.1 MAY 1.0>1.2
B6 MCO-ORH MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
B6 MCO-SWF MAR 2>1.0
B6 MCO-SYR MAR 2>1.0 APR 2.0>1.0
B6 ORD-SJU MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0
B6 PBI-SJU MAR 1.0>0.6 APR 1.0>0.5
B6 TPA-SJU MAR 3>2 APR 3>2

26 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7859 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 6110 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL JFK-SAV MAR 0>1.0 APR 0>1.0 MAY 0>1.0

I'm not challanging you or anything, but you seem to say "so and so LCC Response?" quite a bit when a legacy adds service to an LCC area. Are you talking about a response to B6 adding to SAV? Has this happened quite a bit?

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*DL SEA-SFO APR 0>5 MAY 0>5

Haven't they cut down on SEA recently, UA?



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User currently offlineflying_727 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 440 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 6075 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA ORD-SRQ MAR 1.0>2

This is interesting as many on here (who have no data to draw the conclusion) that this route wasn't making money and wouldn't last long.



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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3245 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 6074 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
US DCA-AGS DEC 0.9>0.6
*US DCA-BOS DEC 14>11 JAN 14>12
US DCA-EYW DEC 0.4>0.3
US DCA-FAY DEC 0.9>0.6
US DCA-HHH DEC 0.1>0.0
US DCA-IND DEC 6>5
*US DCA-LGA DEC 14>11 JAN 14>13
US DCA-LIT DEC 0.9>0.6
US DCA-OAJ DEC 0.9>0.6
US DCA-RDU DEC 7>6
US DCA-VPS DEC 0.9>0.7

I accept these as seasonal inter-perimeter reductions. My ? is geared toward potentially unused DCA slots being the valuable commodity they are. There may be increases US is flying into or out of DCA to compensate for these reductions we don't see in this post thus making it a slot neutral.

If I understand correctly only DCA outer perimeter slots are issued between two specific city pairs and cannot be adjusted (a city change) by the carrier. Inter perimeter slots to my understanding are more flexible and can be tweaked by carrier to whom they are issued.

In my mind it would be foolish for a carrier to leave unused or excess slots on the table be it for a month or two or three. If they do; can they or should they be reissued on a temporary basis by another carrier? This of course has to be balanced with fewer flyers in January and February even at DCA.



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User currently offlineusflyguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2012, 1050 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 6006 times:

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 3):
Inter perimeter slots to my understanding are more flexible and can be tweaked by carrier to whom they are issued.

Nope, it depends on what type of slots they are. If you remember, last year, US bid for and won the right to operate DCA-JAN with a certain type of slot that must be used for flights to JAN. They could petition the DOT to change the route but it's not a given that it would be approved.



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User currently offlineredzeppelin From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 627 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5826 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL SLC-SUN JAN 5>3 FEB 5>3 MAR 5>3

First thought: In the middle of ski season?!?!
Second thought: Did they get scared off by new UA service?
Third thought: Better look this up. Looks like 5 EM2s replaced with 3 CR7s. So the total number seats is increased.That's better.



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User currently offlinecessna2 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 347 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 5709 times:

Hmm interesting to see it didn't pick up on RDU-LAX going double daily during the Christmas holiday and again during the summer months.

User currently onlineincitatus From Brazil, joined Feb 2005, 4052 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5470 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL ATL-GRU MAR 1.0>2 APR 1.0>2 MAY 1.0>2

Flying Y between GRU and DTW is going to be even more comfortable.



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User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4389 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 5224 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL LAS-SEA APR 4>5 MAY 4>5
That's a lot of capacity

Maybe there is a lot of people who want to loose money at the tables living in Seattle and area.



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User currently offlineapodino From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 4304 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5029 times:

This schedule has US quietly trimming some of the p2p frequency out of BOS on some RJ routes. BUF was spared...but every other market got hit.

User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6517 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5024 times:

Quoting brilondon (Reply 8):
Maybe there is a lot of people who want to loose money at the tables living in Seattle and area.

What goes on in Las Vegas, stays in Las Vegas


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7552 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4976 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 1):
I'm not challanging you or anything, but you seem to say "so and so LCC Response?" quite a bit when a legacy adds service to an LCC area. Are you talking about a response to B6 adding to SAV? Has this happened quite a bit?

In general, it is very common in this industry for a carrier to add flights in retaliation to another. For example, in one of the more obvious examples, UA doubled their flights on EWR-LAX/SFO a week or so after VX announced it. It is not unique to LCCs. I would not be surprised if UA responds to DL adding SFO-SEA.

Quoting flying_727 (Reply 2):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA ORD-SRQ MAR 1.0>2

This is interesting as many on here (who have no data to draw the conclusion) that this route wasn't making money and wouldn't last long.

Well MAR is super-peak. I'm not sure it means anything either way, other than the fact that MAR is a great month for Florida.

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 3):
In my mind it would be foolish for a carrier to leave unused or excess slots on the table be it for a month or two or three. If they do; can they or should they be reissued on a temporary basis by another carrier? This of course has to be balanced with fewer flyers in January and February even at DCA.

US guards their slots like a hawk. I'm sure they have been granted some sort of special holiday dispensation by the FAA that is allowing them to underuse these slots. Otherwise they'd do the same thing every month.


User currently offlineadamh8297 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 1011 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 4960 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
B6 BOS-RDU MAR 4>5

Wow - B6 has 500 seats and DL has 456 seats daily during the week on this route. Is the market approaching 1000 PDEW or are connections/interlines etc. through both airlines and their partners factoring in.


User currently offlinejporterfi From United States of America, joined Feb 2012, 446 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4840 times:

Quoting adamh8297 (Reply 12):
Wow - B6 has 500 seats and DL has 456 seats daily during the week on this route. Is the market approaching 1000 PDEW or are connections/interlines etc. through both airlines and their partners factoring in.

I would expect that connections/interlines in BOS make up a large portion of passengers, particularly for B6 (but also for DL to a certain extent).

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
*UA ORD-EDI MAY 0>0.3

I think this route will be very successful given UA's success with its EWR-EDI service.


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6784 posts, RR: 17
Reply 14, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4771 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
B6 BOS-RDU MAR 4>5

I will trade a BOS for 1x SJU.. leaving 4x BOS, 1x SJU, 2x JFK, ?x FLL.. is that too much to ask?

Quoting cessna2 (Reply 6):
Hmm interesting to see it didn't pick up on RDU-LAX going double daily during the Christmas holiday and again during the summer months.

Yay! Delta? I also haven't seen the update of Delta doing RDU-FLL Sat only starting 21Dec13.. but oh well..

3 daily LAX flights and 1 daily SFO flights.. pretty sweet for a market most thought couldn't support 1 daily route to the west coast..



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User currently offlineSouthernDC9 From United States of America, joined Mar 2011, 449 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 4756 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
SY DCA-MSP MAY 0>1.0

I never really understood where this slot came from....



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User currently offlineAVLAirlineFreq From United States of America, joined Jun 2008, 1072 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 4494 times:

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 14):
3 daily LAX flights and 1 daily SFO flights.. pretty sweet for a market most thought couldn't support 1 daily route to the west coast..

Really? I would have thought most assumed it could easily support at least one non-stop to the west coast.


User currently offlineb757capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1407 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 4339 times:

Quoting flying_727 (Reply 2):

Since FL ended MDW-SRQ I would assume this route is a goldmine.

I recall when USA3000 used to fly it.

Quoting SouthernDC9 (Reply 15):

Aren't these slots from the issues with the DOT taking RPs slots from MCI-DCA? I believe these were newly created slots to make up for the mess they made when they auctioned off slots they shouldn't have.



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User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4431 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4231 times:
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Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
UA ORD-DSM JAN 6>7

Going to 2x E145, 3x CR7, 1x 738, 1x CRJ with the change. This fluctuates a lot on aircraft type as well as frequency. I believe some of these aircraft do a ORD-DSM-DEN routing.

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
That's a lot of capacity
*DL LAX-LAS JAN 7>9 FEB 7>9 MAR 7>9 APR 7>9 MAY 7>9

In May it appears LAX-LAS will be 2x A319, 6x CR9 and 1x CR7. A decent amount of capacity but still only a portion of the LAS-LAX traffic.


User currently offlinebobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6517 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 4185 times:

Quoting jporterfi (Reply 13):
I would expect that connections/interlines in BOS make up a large portion of passengers, particularly for B6 (but also for DL to a certain extent).

I don't think either B6 or DL have many connection possibilities out of BOS for a flight originating in RDU


User currently offlineadamh8297 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 1011 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4092 times:

Quoting bobnwa (Reply 19):
I don't think either B6 or DL have many connection possibilities out of BOS for a flight originating in RDU

For B6- its partner flights to SNN, DUB, MUC, FRA, KEF, NRT and anywhere from the partner hubs. DXB, IST and anywhere else EK/TK fly too will be in future. Always a chance connections could be made to B6's Caribbean network or even west coast if the price is right. Though I'm sure the traffic numbers from RDU are pretty small, there's 9K destinations in New England as well

For DL, LHR, CDG, AMS, FCO are the main connecting points for the airlines and its partners plus any other odd interlines. You always have those crazy mileage runners as well who could do a BOS.

Also, its possible connect in RDU from BOS to FLL (both airlines), ATL, TPA, DTW, MSP etc


User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7552 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 3415 times:

Quoting SouthernDC9 (Reply 15):
Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
SY DCA-MSP MAY 0>1.0

I never really understood where this slot came from....
Quoting b757capt (Reply 17):
Aren't these slots from the issues with the DOT taking RPs slots from MCI-DCA? I believe these were newly created slots to make up for the mess they made when they auctioned off slots they shouldn't have.

If you look at the schedule you will see what they did. They may have needed one new slot, but mostly what they did is screw over the DCA-LAN schedule so that it arrives at like midnight. That let them leave in the 2200 hour which has slots for free.


User currently offlineridgid727 From United States of America, joined Jul 2008, 1231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 3101 times:

Quoting enilria (Thread starter):
DL SLC-SUN JAN 5>3 FEB 5>3 MAR 5>3
UA's entrance into this market from SFO with a daily N/S is having an effect on OO's at risk flying from SLC, although
OO is operating a CR7 for UA.

Also there will apparently be DEN service soon, as this was approved in the small city grants recently doled out.

[Edited 2013-09-30 19:21:28]

User currently offlineFutureUScapt From United States of America, joined Dec 2008, 765 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 2804 times:

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 3):
I accept these as seasonal inter-perimeter reductions. My ? is geared toward potentially unused DCA slots being the valuable commodity they are. There may be increases US is flying into or out of DCA to compensate for these reductions we don't see in this post thus making it a slot neutral.
Quoting enilria (Reply 11):
US guards their slots like a hawk. I'm sure they have been granted some sort of special holiday dispensation by the FAA that is allowing them to underuse these slots. Otherwise they'd do the same thing every month.
Quoting apodino (Reply 9):
This schedule has US quietly trimming some of the p2p frequency out of BOS on some RJ routes. BUF was spared...but every other market got hit.

They are taking advantage of the slot waiver period that the FAA allows to all airlines every year over the Christmas and New Year's holidays and redeploying capacity from business-centric markets to leisure-centric markets. Nothing further to read into here.



[Edited 2013-09-30 20:36:00]

User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3607 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 month 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2596 times:

I know some work has and is being done at SUN. Maybe something changed to make CR7s work at SUN.

User currently offlineenilria From Canada, joined Feb 2008, 7552 posts, RR: 14
Reply 25, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1876 times:

Quoting FutureUScapt (Reply 23):
Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 3):
I accept these as seasonal inter-perimeter reductions. My ? is geared toward potentially unused DCA slots being the valuable commodity they are. There may be increases US is flying into or out of DCA to compensate for these reductions we don't see in this post thus making it a slot neutral.
Quoting enilria (Reply 11):
US guards their slots like a hawk. I'm sure they have been granted some sort of special holiday dispensation by the FAA that is allowing them to underuse these slots. Otherwise they'd do the same thing every month.
Quoting apodino (Reply 9):
This schedule has US quietly trimming some of the p2p frequency out of BOS on some RJ routes. BUF was spared...but every other market got hit.

They are taking advantage of the slot waiver period that the FAA allows to all airlines every year over the Christmas and New Year's holidays and redeploying capacity from business-centric markets to leisure-centric markets. Nothing further to read into here.

Do we agree that something is inherently broken when the carrier that has the majority of the slots takes such opportunities to cancel flying to their secondary markets. It tells me what I already knew which is that they just fly that stuff to keep other airlines from competing on bigger routes.


User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3245 posts, RR: 1
Reply 26, posted (1 year 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 1705 times:

Quoting enilria (Reply 25):
Do we agree that something is inherently broken when the carrier that has the majority of the slots takes such opportunities to cancel flying to their secondary markets. It tells me what I already knew which is that they just fly that stuff to keep other airlines from competing on bigger routes.

Perhaps this is why the U.S. DOJ hoisted the B.S. flag on the US/AA M&A



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