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American To Hire 1500 Pilots  
User currently offline9lflyguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 154 posts, RR: 0
Posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 8919 times:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/s...ir-pilots-20130930,0,2973402.story

American hiring 1500 pilots soon.

This is good news for all my friends still in the regionals. I also heard that US may hire pilots as well. Good news for all. What does this mean for the merger?

Is this the first sign of the airlines accepting the fate of the blocked merger?


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User currently offlineadam42185 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 408 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 8761 times:

It is good news. All of the legacy carriers are planning hiring soon, and they need to in order to keep up with retirements as well as the new rest requirement rules. There is going to be a significant atrition from regionals to majors over the next several years and I wonder how the regionals are going to be able to staff their aircraft. I hope the hiring continues for a long long time so that the industry can get some movement again!

User currently offlineetops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1037 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8273 times:

This has nothing g to do with the merger . The merger is still in full swing regardless of the DOJ's stupid lawsuit .

User currently offlinejfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3170 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8194 times:

Quoting etops1 (Reply 2):

This has nothing g to do with the merger . The merger is still in full swing regardless of the DOJ's stupid lawsuit .

Yeah? That's like saying a flight is still on time despite a ground stop.

You can board, shut the door, and play pretend...but you still aren't going anywhere.

Don't dismiss the lawsuit


User currently offlinemilemaster From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1054 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7789 times:

Quoting etops1 (Reply 2):

This has nothing g to do with the merger . The merger is still in full swing regardless of the DOJ's stupid lawsuit .


How can a merger be in full swing with a DOJ lawsuit? That doesn't even make sense.


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5428 posts, RR: 6
Reply 5, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7659 times:

Quoting 9lflyguy (Thread starter):


Is this the first sign of the airlines accepting the fate of the blocked merger?

Nope.

If the merger closed tomorrow, the airlines (and the pilots) would have separate operations until at least 2015. With pilot retirements just at the US PHX base happening every other week now, there's no way to hold off on hiring more pilots for that long.



"PHX is Phoenix, PDX is the other city" -777Way
User currently offlineokie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2849 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7641 times:

Will the MQ pilots get flow through or preferential treatment?

Not sure how the Bankruptcy language dealt with previous dealings with the MQ pilots.

Okie


User currently onlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 4681 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7516 times:

IIRC US East has been hiring of the street for several years now, so this is nothing new. US West still has some left on furlough, but isn't it expected that they would all be recalled by the end of the year?


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User currently offlinefutureualpilot From United States of America, joined May 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 7318 times:

Quoting 9lflyguy (Thread starter):
This is good news for all my friends still in the regionals. I also heard that US may hire pilots as well. Good news for all. What does this mean for the merger?

Agreed, it is great news. First time in more than 10yrs that AA has hired off

Quoting 9lflyguy (Thread starter):
Is this the first sign of the airlines accepting the fate of the blocked merger?

No, they just need pilots to cover the new rest rules and retirements in 2014.

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 7):
US West still has some left on furlough, but isn't it expected that they would all be recalled by the end of the year?

West offered all furloughs recall recently, PHX will be available to third list hires if it isn't already.



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User currently offlineaeroflop From New Zealand, joined Mar 2012, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7266 times:

Can someone explain furloughs to me?

The airline hires heaps of staff and when there is a downturn they leave you to fend for yourself? Sounds like a great system.


User currently onlinesunking737 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 2021 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7230 times:

1500 pilots would workout to 750 crew pairs. Plus they will have to hire more F/A's, and related support employees too.


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User currently offlinee38 From United States of America, joined May 2008, 300 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7145 times:

Quoting aeroflop (reply 9), "Can someone explain furlough to me?"

Well, you seem to have a pretty good understanding of it already. Yes, you are left to fend for yourself. All furlough means is that you have not been fired, so at which point the company needs people again, you will be recalled before they hire people off the street.

While on furlough, you do not get paid, and depending on the company, you may or may not have medical benefits, travel privileges, etc. The worst part is you never know how long the furlough will last--could be several months, several years, or if things don't improve, you could possibly not ever get recalled.

Not fun--but it IS survivable!

e38


User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 6994 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7132 times:

AA has hired in over a decade great news for that pilot group. 1500 is a big number. Less people are trying to become pilots these days with the horrendous pay at the regionals and low job security, high debt etc.. It is going to be very interesting how the 1500hr rule works out with the regionals.

Don't get me wrong I know there are plenty of pilots out there right now. I am not sure how many there will be in 10 years or so though.



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User currently offlineetops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1037 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7076 times:

Quoting milemaster (Reply 4):

Because we are still moving along with our integration process regardless of the lawsuit . You have no idea what's going on behind the scenes .


User currently offlinemilemaster From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1054 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 7023 times:

Quoting etops1 (Reply 13):

The majority of which that can be reversed relatively easily fortunately. Wake us up when US planes start being painted and signage in PHL, PHX, and CLT start changing.


User currently offlineAcey559 From United States of America, joined Jan 2007, 1495 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6986 times:

Quoting okie (Reply 6):
Will the MQ pilots get flow through or preferential treatment?

Yes we do. The last of the Eagle pilots with AA seniority numbers will be going to class in October. From that point the first of the 824 flow-through pilots will be going starting in November. The 824 pilots will make up 50% of newhire classes until 824 Eagle pilots are at AA. The 824 aren't required to interview or go through AA Medical, they just flow when their number comes up. I'm in the next group of people that (eventually, hopefully) flow after the 824. My group doesn't have to interview, we just go to our assigned training class when it comes. There's a fourth group that was just recently created but I can't remember the details. I think all that one is is a preferential interview. But long story short, yes, there are various opportunities for Eagle pilots to flow to American.


User currently offlinechepos From Puerto Rico, joined Dec 2000, 6176 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6641 times:

Quoting piedmont727 (Reply 16):

You have to get your hours before going to a major, some people start at a flight school as an instructor, move uo to a regional and then go to a major or mainline operator (if thats what you wish to do). At least that's what some of my friends who I went to college with at ERAU have done or in the process of doing.

[Edited 2013-09-30 20:10:21]


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User currently offlineFlighty From United States of America, joined Apr 2007, 8198 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6614 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 12):
low job security,

That's in the past. Many, many thousands of RJ pilots will flow to mainline (at all carriers in the US) over the next 5 years.


User currently offlineetops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1037 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6494 times:

Quoting milemaster (Reply 14):

Another merger hater I take it ?


User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 6994 posts, RR: 9
Reply 19, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6448 times:

Quoting Flighty (Reply 17):
That's in the past. Many, many thousands of RJ pilots will flow to mainline (at all carriers in the US) over the next 5 years.

True, consolidatIon has made job security better but it's still not the strongest job out there but really what is these days. However, I don't see anything making up for the pathetic pay, low quality of life for the first few years and high debt for people who go civil.

I just feel like if you are right and thousands of RJ pilots start flowing through that in 10 years if QOL and pay at the regionals is still on the floor in 10 years who's going to have those 1500hrs for a first year RJ FO postion.



"It was just four of us on the flight deck, trying to do our job" (Captain Al Haynes)
User currently offlinetwincessna340a From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5994 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 19):
who's going to have those 1500hrs for a first year RJ FO postion.

I never thought I'd say this, but the FAA has done a smart review of the rule recently. They are now allowing graduates from specific flight programs to qualify in less than 1500. Auburn University (where I am an engineering grad student) just got a 500 hour waiver http://blog.al.com/wire/2013/09/faa_ruling_gives_auburn_aviati.html .

Quoting flymia (Reply 19):
However, I don't see anything making up for the pathetic pay, low quality of life for the first few years and high debt for people who go civil.I just feel like if you are right and thousands of RJ pilots start flowing through that in 10 years if QOL and pay at the regionals is still on the floor in 10 years

I completely agree with your sentiment. I had several friends in the flight program at Purdue as an undergrad and heard starting Piedmont FO on the Dash 8 was about ~19K. Horrendous enough without the added expense of the new ruling.


User currently offlineadam42185 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 408 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5947 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 19):
I just feel like if you are right and thousands of RJ pilots start flowing through that in 10 years if QOL and pay at the regionals is still on the floor in 10 years who's going to have those 1500hrs for a first year RJ FO postion.

   I am curious about this as well. I wonder if the short sighted plan of worsening RJ pilot pay and QOL is going to shoot the industry in the foot down the road. In all reality I believe they are trying to set a new "zero" so that when they bring pay back to where it is now (or maybe not even) they can say they are giving a *raise* to sound more lucrative.

Just my   , but I think the regionals as the exist today won't exist in 7-12 years. There are simply not enough pilots coming up through the pipeline to staff the number of aircraft with ATPs. I see one of three things happening, (again simply my speculation and its a little off topic but humor me).
1) Regional airlines will simply be merged with major carriers and tacked on to the bottom of the seniority lists. The smallest planes will be around 100 seats (the 76 seaters may survive a while, but if a shortage really happens plane size will increase and frequency will be much lower). The only true regional type airlines will be such like Cape Air doing true regional flying.
2) US airlines will start training pilots themselves to do huge demand and no supply much like some of the foreign carriers do now. Find young men and women with the right aptitude and start training them early to fill pilot positions.
3) Cabotage. I hope this doesn't happen, but if the US airline industry gets to the point where the economy is hampered due to lack of available flights I wouldn't put it past congress to allow foreign carriers to operate domestically within the US.

Back to American -- I am excited to see that they are planning on hiring, and it will be interesting to see how American, United, Delta, Southwest, et. al. battle the upcoming retirements and *impending shortage* of pilots (if it ever really comes to fruition). It doesn't seem there enough ways to get enough pilots to the ATP minimums these days.


User currently offlineMaverick623 From United States of America, joined Nov 2006, 5428 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5781 times:

Quoting aeroflop (Reply 9):
Can someone explain furloughs to me?

It's basically a layoff with recall rights.



"PHX is Phoenix, PDX is the other city" -777Way
User currently offlineaeroflop From New Zealand, joined Mar 2012, 39 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5729 times:

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 22):
It's basically a layoff with recall rights

Is it something exclusive to the US? Never heard of that sort of practice in Australia.

I do hope conditions will improve for US pilots. Those regional airlines have had made enough money by shafting their staff.


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12404 posts, RR: 100
Reply 24, posted (6 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2879 times:
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Quoting flymia (Reply 12):
Don't get me wrong I know there are plenty of pilots out there right now. I am not sure how many there will be in 10 years or so though.

Enough. Pay will have to improve, but look at all the US pilots gaining hours around the world?

Quoting Maverick623 (Reply 22):
Quoting aeroflop (Reply 9):
Can someone explain furloughs to me?

It's basically a layoff with recall rights.

Or put another way, the pilot is laid off, but they have the right/option to keep their seniority. Some pilots reject recall as their new employer is a better financial situation.

Quoting adam42185 (Reply 21):
Just my   , but I think the regionals as the exist today won't exist in 7-12 years. There are simply not enough pilots coming up through the pipeline to staff the number of aircraft with ATPs.

There won't be as many regional planes. As we've just had the worst decade of airline hiring. Once there is a 'shortage,' pilots will enroll.

Lightsaber



I've posted how many times?!?
25 adam42185 : True there are some exemptions. I remember reading that FAA accredited universities (Auburn included, amongst Purdue, ERAU, UND, U of Illinois and ot
26 xdlx : In my most humbled opinion.... AA will have by virtue of retirements of both Pilots & Airplanes a simple synergy to follow, most AE pilots will fl
27 Goldenshield : For some regionals, it'll be like nothing ever happened. They already had high (1000+ hour) minimums, and the best pay of the lot.
28 futureualpilot : Straight DOH isn't always fair, you'll have guys who were hired long before others losing bidding power while junior guys elsewhere experience huge g
29 Post contains images RyanairGuru : That's great to hear Does anyone know how long the average furlough was? I wish these West guys all the very best. They'll go wherever there is an op
30 KD5MDK : How many domestic regional pilots are there? What % of them is this AA hiring class?
31 Acey559 : Somewhere about 15,000 regional pilots, if not more. And keep in mind that of the 1500 AA plans on hiring, half are required to come from Eagle. It d
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