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Sabena Pilots On Strike  
User currently offlineSndp From Belgium, joined Feb 2000, 553 posts, RR: 2
Posted (14 years 8 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4770 times:

After the end of the social negotiations at Sabena, the day before yesterday, the pilots announced yesterday they did not agree with the plan and rejected it completely. They announced social actions as from 6am Belgian Time this morning, and indeed, up untill now, already 9 flights had to be canceled due to a strike.

C. Müller announced yesterday that any social action at this moment, would kill Sabena. His spokesman also said that the actions could be a great danger to the company. He also mentioned that the managament was still waiting for the pilots to come to talk to them, though they had not heard anything from them yet.

The conflict between the pilots and the management is a very severe one, and a solution is not in sight. Both parties accuse each other from the fact that they do not want to talk to each other and that they do not use the given opportunities to negotiate.

If the pilots are right by claiming that this Buiness Plan will kill Sabena, it may be wiser for them to give it a chance and see what happens. If they are right, they will not be blamed. With their actions, however, they will be accused of being the cause of the end of Sabena, not the business plan, as they think.

According to me, they should give the Business Plan a chance, as it is at this moment the only chance of survival for Sabena.


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User currently offlineSN-A330 From Belgium, joined Aug 2001, 1129 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (14 years 8 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4377 times:

VRT-news just reported that 9 out of 20 early-morning flights were cancelled.

Regards, SZ-A330

I would rather be flying...
User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (14 years 8 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4364 times:

another company killed by the unions for shortterm gain...

I wish I were flying
User currently offlineCeilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (14 years 8 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4364 times:

Unfortunately for the sane pilots like Sab20 and Sndp that care about their company and want it to keep flying, the lunatics still keep trying to run the asylum. Well, they got their wish. If they want it closed down, I'm certain that's what's going to happen.

And the result will be that those people identified as BeCA militants have been blacklisted around the European airlines - so they will find it impossible to get another flying job on the same sort of equipment and pay that they are at SN. After all, who wants to employ someone whose goal in life seems to be to try and mount a coup d'etat within the company by dictating to management; and to force the company into bankruptcy?

Absolute insanity - and as a result of their selfishness, 9000 people will be out of wok - plus goodness knows how many suppliers' employees. I hope BeCA's really poud of itself.

User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (14 years 8 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4344 times:

problem is, union membership can not be a reason to be passed over for a job.
Any of them that do get passed over for a job for any reason will just go to court claiming it was because they are a unionmember demanding to be taken on anyway.
Most judges will give in to them.

I wish I were flying
User currently offlineAvion2002 From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (14 years 8 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4347 times:

This morning UseNet (Aviation Ins.) reported that the Belgian authorities assess the possibility to limit the licence coverage of Belgian pilots. This would mean that licences be (temporarily ?) suspended. This is related to the alternative insurance mechanism for third party risks, now taken over by the Belgian state.
Any confirmation on this ?

User currently offlineAirbuspilot From Belgium, joined Apr 2000, 416 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (14 years 8 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4330 times:

CEILIDH: where do you live? Blacklists of BeCA militants!You are a demagogue , crawl back under your rock!

Besides that, do you really think that the BeCA would tka some of these risks if they wheren't damn sure about what they are saying?????

User currently offlineAirbuspilot From Belgium, joined Apr 2000, 416 posts, RR: 2
Reply 7, posted (14 years 8 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4321 times:

Avion 2002,

would it be possible to put the whole link here on the net, it would make things a lot easier to verify.


User currently offlineSab12 From Belgium, joined Sep 2001, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (14 years 8 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4308 times:

Striking now is just plain stupid, and never has there been a worse time then this.
Again we punish the people who pay our salary, again we will push people to other airlines!!
Is this the way we want to make Sabena profitable????
Well then mullers plan is better!

User currently offlineD-AQUI From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 208 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (14 years 8 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4286 times:

As I have noted in another forum I am a frequent traveller with Sabena, mostly on the route from Brussels to Strasbourg.
I shall be brief because I still hope that today's flight will not be affected.
The action of (some of?) Sabena's pilots for whom I still held a certain kind of understanding at this stage is simply unreasonable.
Personally as a passenger who wants to see his family on Friday I feel taken hostage by such action, although I am still in the comfortable position to swap to the car. But what I want to do is to fly, to experience the advantages of airtravel, i.e. saving time and getting there relaxed.
Travelling on Sabena has become unpredictable these days and maybe those pilots who are fuelling the disputes should think about that they are not only causing an immediate effect with losses caused by the action as such, they are furthermore diverting passengers to other airlines where there are alternatives.
I am off to Zaventem, for the next adventure...

User currently offlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4809 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (14 years 8 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4277 times:

Rik Daems has put it correctly in the TV show "De zevende dag" last Sunday when he said that at SN they're arguing about how the future will look like whereas they should take measures so that there is a future.

Looking at the arguments the pilots give they seem to forget (or they don't want to face the fact) that SN's survival depends on the goodwill two shareholders (SR and the Belgian State). Only they (the shareholders) decide on the fate of SN, and the shareholders only accept Muller's plan or something similar.

BTW You can blame SR, you can blame the Belgian State and you can blame Muller for the current problems but fact is that SN HAS serious liquidity problems. Face this fact and start working on how to get out of it. If you've done that, you can start blaming whoever you think you need to blame. But at this moment, SN needs both the Belgian State's and SR's goodwill to approve the capital increase. If SN doesn't get the EUR 430mio I think some creditors will call their loans (which means bankruptcy).


User currently offlineCeilidh From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (14 years 8 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4282 times:

Airbuspilot - if you or anyone else don't think that militants will be blacklisted, just ask any of the Australian pilots involved in the 1989 dispute what happened to their careers.

I am reliably informed that the names of the more militant BeCA people have already been circulated to airlines around Europe - try applying to say Ryanair and see how far you get! Big grin Big grin Big grin

As for your statement "do you really think that the BeCA would tka some of these risks if they wheren't damn sure about what they are saying?????" Laurens is spot on. Who cares whether they are right or not? That's like the Captain of the Titanic arguing whether the ship was hit by a rock or an iceberg - it's still sinking!

And as prophesised, BeCA will be the one that will be remembered as being the organisation that drove SN into collapse - not SR or the Belgian government.

Care to tell us on here what your non-pilot SN colleagues have been doing/saying to striking pilots? Big grin Big grin Big grin

User currently offlineAirbuspilot From Belgium, joined Apr 2000, 416 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (14 years 8 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4274 times:

concerning Ryanair, I am not blacklisted there, ican give you proof of that.

What we have been called, well, those are words that could come out of your mouth...low level!

I could not care less what people are calling me, everybody has the right to an opinion and I have mine...

I only find it very sorry for the pax and I would like to apologise to them. That is he only group of people who have a right to make those statements. All the others are saving their own butts, the only ones with a personnal opinion and the balls to come up for that are the pilots and some other categories within the personnel!!!

Last minute news, although details still missing, a belgian consultancy bureau, under the leading of a specefic politic party, has come up with an alternative, all belgian, plan. This is being looked at right now so more info to come....

User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2433 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (14 years 8 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4256 times:
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Vote NO to the referundum and keep Sabena alive for the LONG TERM !!!!

Life is great at 41.000 feet...
User currently offlineAvion2002 From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (14 years 8 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4246 times:

To Flying Belgian :
A "no"-vote means a vote against the Mueller plan, but also a no against a plan that has been approved by the Belgian State and Swissair.

None of these parties has an alternative option.

Under the current EU-competion rules, there is no such thing as state aid. The State can not put any single penny into Sabena, unless a private investor puts the equivalent capital in the company. With the strike that is going on now, which private investor would be so stupid to invest in a company, whose customers are terrorized every other week by pilots who have apparently missed the millenium change ?

A "no" note leads to bankrupcy.

If you hold a secret file of a take-over ... well, I'm interested to listen ...

User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2433 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (14 years 8 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4241 times:
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I will vote no because this plan brings a solution for 3 more months (at best) and no solutions for the long term. This plan is tailor made to Muller's ambitions and to the Belgian Government's scare (being responsible for the loss of 12000 jobs).

Anyway, I am not worry as it is sure that the majority of the employees will vote no.



Life is great at 41.000 feet...
User currently offlineAirbuspilot From Belgium, joined Apr 2000, 416 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (14 years 8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4236 times:

I will vote.......................................................................................................NO!!

User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2433 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (14 years 8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4224 times:
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I hope to see a new Belgian Airline called : AIR BELGIQUE !!!!!!!!

Life is great at 41.000 feet...
User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (14 years 8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4208 times:

Hey guys, I've figured this out.

All the BeCA guys who are proposing to block the restructuring got together a few months ago and short-sold as many Sabena shares as they could (there are a few small shareholders, it seems, apart from the State and SR), and hope to drive the company to bankruptcy and rake in the profits while covering the position! Kinda like what Bin Ladin and his associates did with the Insurance and Airline industries. Just another form of blackmail/terrorism.

I honestly can't think of any other reason.


User currently offlineAvion2002 From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (14 years 8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4208 times:

et pour les Flamands la même chose ?
Merci, Flying Belgium, please change your name into "belge volant", ...

User currently offlineBelugaBoy From Belgium, joined Mar 2001, 139 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (14 years 8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4207 times:

Swiss banks ... Beca ... got it ?

another couple of days and Trends his article will be old news before it gets published !!

Drinkt nog een pintje AirbusPilot , vliegen zult ge de komende jaren toch niet meer doen he jong  Smile/happy/getting dizzy))))))

User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2433 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (14 years 8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4209 times:
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AVION 2002 :

Flemish are so proud they can keep VLM, Vlaamse Luchtvaart Maatschapij. So they could stay away in Antwerp.

For your info SABENA means Sociéte Anonyme Belge d'Exploitation de la Navigation Aérienne.

I would be proud to see Air Belgique flying...


Life is great at 41.000 feet...
User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (14 years 8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4197 times:

With almost every airline in the world facing an uncertain future at this moment, the strike by the Sabena pilots does not seem prudent at this time; the pilots and other employees at SN have been through hell, and their frustration and anger is understandable, but the strike may accelertate the end of Sabena. Look at the facts, airliners are flying empty, over 100,000 jobs in the airline industry have been lost in a matter of days, airlines are rushing to cut their schedules and park their aircraft, the horror of 11 Sept combined with an already difficult world economy and overcapcity are killing the airlines, and part owner Swissair is considering bankruptcy itself at the moment; how can a strike at SN at this moment accomplish any good?

User currently offlineTeva From France, joined Jan 2001, 1881 posts, RR: 15
Reply 23, posted (14 years 8 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4191 times:

USA is a free country, as the constitution guaranties the right to have guns.
Then, what do you think about the following idea??
The airlines have to give a gun to each passenger over 5years old.
Then, the terrorist will be ... terrorized to fly with any US airline  Nuts

Ecoute les orgues, Elles jouent pour toi...C'est le requiem pour un con
User currently offlineCfalk From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (14 years 8 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4175 times:


That would also put a big dent into so-called "air rage"

 Smile/happy/getting dizzy


P.S. This is in the wrong thread.

25 DE727UPS : "I am reliably informed that the names of the more militant BeCA people have already been circulated to airlines around Europe - try applying to say R
26 Groholsky : Hi Belugaboy...i wonder what kind of person you are !!! -Criticizing Airbuspilot for some reasons and then saying flamish are smart guys. Just for inf
27 LJ : Cfalk, unfortunately Sabena is not a listed company (then I would have short sold this company and buy put options with all the money I have). SR is b
28 Jr : At this point its plain ridiculous to strike and ground planes. How do you justify not flying and losing revenue at times like this? I just cancelled
29 Com3205 : The BeCA is taking 9000 hostages and heading for the twin towers. Airbuspilot I know you do not agree with all that is said by the BeCA, but it's nice
30 Flying Belgian : BelugaBoy: Then leave Brussels Airport right now. You seem to pretend that only Flemish have brains ??? - The only way Vlaanderen expanded is thanks t
31 Sab12 : Flying Belgian, Very sad how you react, stop being childish and accusing the flemish what is going wrong, you blame belugaboy but you are even worse!
32 Teej13 : Maybe I'm a little too far removed from this issue, but it seems to me that the airline industry is in a worldwide slump. Furthermore, Sabena, althoug
33 Apuneger : OK you guys, Where is this going to end? I have much respect for the SN pilots, and I can surely understand why they are angry and so, but I can tell
34 TriStar : Everyone to their rooms, right now! And don't come out until you smart up. What a crock of nonsense you're writing here. One would seriously think you
35 Airbuspilot : Ooooh Boy Oooh boy Ooooh Boy......
36 Flying Belgian : I am Flight Attendant within Sabena Group, and I do not blame the pilots !! It is the only guys who try to defend our interests. The unions are totall
37 Lj : Yesterday a pilot said on TV (in "Terzake") that the pilots are trained to be managers in the sky and pilots are not trained to manage an airline. He
38 Sabenapilot : Haven't you noticed something strange about this TerZake-pilot, Lj? He had Captain stripes, but was sitting on the right side of the plane, so in the
39 Apuneger : Smart thinking, Sabenapilot... Ivan
40 Lj : Sabenapilot, it did cross my mind that he might be from SN management as (I did knew he was a Captain) a Captain of his age should have been flying la
41 Groholsky : hmmmmmmmhmmmmm Lj -"a Captain of his age should have been flying larger planes than a RJ100 (DAT usually employees much younger pilots if I'm correct)
42 Sabenapilot : Just for fun here, I'll give away his identity now: he's not only a "regular" Line Training Captain, he's even a chief pilot, responsible for the Trai
43 Com3205 : If 2/3 of the flights has been flown and if I hear some of you saying pilots of the management are flying, does this mean 2/3 of SN pilots are in the
44 Sab12 : com3205, You are absolutely right, the only thing here is power! What do they strike for?? The money that is going to Swissair?!?, well the strikers f
45 Sabenapilot : Com3205, I have to agree with you on the target fascination issue. After all, we should remember that at persent only the social plane for those leavi
46 Lj : SN never actually said that SN is going to order a 50-seater (at least not in the press releases and statements to the financial community). SN only s
47 Sab12 : airbuspilot, You just give good reason why not to strike, you tell that we can still negotiate items later, so why do you strike???!!!???
48 Com3205 : Hello SNpilot No panic at all, I just do not feel good with this kind of action that does give the pilots a VERY bad name. I've always thought dialog
49 Sab12 : Com3205, More and more people are awere that this is not the right action, the media is all over the pilots and you canbe sure if sabena goes bankrupt
50 Post contains images Sabenapilot : just one small remark when position replies: be carefull please Sabenapilot is not the same person as Airbuspilot I have noticed over the last few day
51 Com3205 : Airbuspilot, Circle to land, only if I'm a 100% shure I have the fuel for it. Are you shure we have fuel for a new BP and a new management? Or do you
52 Sab12 : sorry sabenapilot confusion is quick, you see
53 Post contains links and images TriStar : I think you meant to direct that at Sabenapilot, Com3205. Seems like you do have an issue with usernames (cf. http://www.airliners.net/discussions/gen
54 Sabenapilot : No offence taken here, just trying to avoid even more problems later on... (just as the BeCA in a way)
55 Com3205 : My mistake TryStar
56 TriStar : My mistake TryStar Pun intended, I presume? Hehe. TryStar TriStar.
57 Airbuspilot : Latest update guys: 1) ecolo is asking Daems to step forward on monday to explain all the unprofessional acts he has done in this dossier. He better b
58 Sab12 : airbuspilot, You think only management pilots are flying, this is far from right, a lot of us do support the beca on the items they brought forward, b
59 Dutchjet : Just to change the topic a bit, I was at BRU this morning to drop my friend off for the CO flight to EWR and the check-in counters for SN were swamped
60 Jos : DutchJet, I'm Belgian, and frequent flyer from Europe to Asia and within Europe, and i totally agree with you ! In fact my conclusion as a regular bus
61 Rwy31R : I hope it resolves soon and that SABENA would be up and running soon, I always had a soft spot for SN.. I dont know why eventhought I have never been
62 Post contains images Myself : Why do SN - pilots continue their strike ? We just couldn't stand the thought that Swissair beats us in becoming the first airline in Europe to go dow
63 TriStar : Coup d'état? Exciting times, so it seems... TriStar.
64 Post contains images OO-AOG : This is just amazing. Sabena might be out of business in a couple days and some idiots introduce linguistic propaganda to the topic . For God sake guy
65 Airbuspilot : I never sais only staffpilots did fly during the strike. I only said they showed only staff pilots on TV! Unfortunately some other pilots took off. We
66 LX-Maria : To Myself; What do you mean; '..BeCA IS UP TO; ... CLEVER' Does BeCA also have a hidden agenda. Just give us a small idea what ....? . Very curious .
67 Lj : Myself, you're right that Swissair has maybe more serious financial problems than SN (at least if you believe the Swiss tabloids), but it's SR who mus
68 Airbuspilot : We do not have this info from the swiss tabloids. It came from an interview on swiss television with Mr Corti and another interview with Sebb Moser (a
69 Myself : Sorry, can not give more info. Trust, wait and see.
70 RJ100 : Airbuspilot: you're opinion about Sepp Moser is right: he is against Swissair. Just an example: Sepp Moser had an emergency landing with his own plane
71 Airbuspilot : Sure. With pleasure! I want to make one thing clear: I have absolutely nothing against all the SR personnel, no mather what categorie except....managm
72 310_engineer : I also heard some rumours of what the BeCA is up to. Very nice move!!! But I (or someone else) will tell more when it is official. Tomorrow perhaps. A
73 Groholsky : Or perhaps the management think SN is a kind of Laboratory where they can try all kind of plans, experiments...You don't play around with 10,000 peopl
74 A330 : Anyone has the number of the recruitment dep. of Ryanair? I might need it... As for the rest, I still believe in the slogan where the word TOGETHER co
75 Airbuspilot : Tomorrow the BeCA will be again on strike. We have almost reached our goal and the big final is comming. To all the ones who will be in the vicinity o
76 Post contains images Ceilidh : Big news like SN is being liquidated thanks to BeCA's actions?
77 Spitfire : 0.0
78 Cfalk : Any money belonging to SR that's already in Belgium should be returned to Switzerland ASAP. Swissair's cash flow is so bad that they expect that Octob
79 Spitfire : 0o0
80 Airbuspilot : Cfalk, join Ceilidh....you have not the slightest idea what you are talking about...Oh ceildh, maybe you ill be laughing green in the future...suits y
81 Sndp : Regarding one of the posts: I am not a pilot. Thanks and good luck to everyone whose really concerned about Sabena's future; in whatever camp they mig
82 Zbeeblebrox74 : Hi there, I flew on Sabena last night between Brussels and Newcastle (22.15 departure). It was an interesting atmosphere to say the least. The list of
83 Ceilidh : Well, looks like you BeCA idiots have blown it. The billion Swiss Francs from UBS and Credit Suisse was not enough to keep SR going without filing for
84 Post contains links and images Ceilidh : Forgot to mention that the condition imposed by UBS and Credit Suisse for the billion franc facility is don't throw good money after bad - not a centi
85 Com3205 : Where did you get the news Sair filed for bankruptcy?
86 Airbuspilot : We have the money looser.
87 D-AQUI : Want to hear an authentic passenger's statement? As a passenger who on Friday has been affected once more by those wise guys of BeCA I totally agree w
88 Plane holland : Luckily I already forespelled this weeks ago in another post.... guess, some people don't know or refuse to acknowlegde what happened to Phillipine Ai
89 Myself : No comment, except.... we know the full story we know what we are fighting for we will win !
90 Jwenting : Com3205, if you read the article Ceilidh linked to, you'd have seen that the creditors want to funnel the profitable parts of Swissair to Crossair and
91 Stratofish : Last news I heard (30min ago) was: SR shares are suspended from trading and 2 Banks and the Swiss state have already announced to help SR. No words of
92 Com3205 : I sincerely hope for all those Sair people, crews, groundhandling all of them EXEPT the management they'll survive. And I think they will.
93 Pat : Do so please ! Vote NO !!!! So that we can get rid of all those pilots who still think they re like the kings of the world in their cockpit with their
94 Spitfire : Pat go and play with your dinky toys on the highway..............What do you now about Müller and his plan. You better learn 1+1 2+2 3+3 at your age.
95 Pat : hahaha Hope to see you soon in one of the SR/sn oustations abroad where I am in charge... You will see with which kind of dinky toys I am playing... B
96 LX-Maria : You stated "SR files for bancruptcy and SN gets no money". I don't think that's the case but.. ................................ You have finally under
97 Com3205 : Hey Pat, Until now NO aviation without pilots but maybe we could do without people of SR in charge at outstations. Would save us a lot of money.Electr
98 Spitfire : It seems that the Swissair people are now feeling some high pressure on their shoulders. Maybe one day they will better understand the Sabenians...jus
99 310_engineer : Pat Don't make yourself think that you are a clever guy.
100 Post contains images Ceilidh : Spitfire, whilst there may well be debate about the SR management input (and indeed they are to be investigated by the Zurich Cantonal Prosecutor's Of
101 Cybise : Absolutely celiedh, there is no doubt who is to blame for the dire circumstances that Sabena is in. Swissair. All the news of today would have happene
102 Groholsky : Herr Mueller...prepare to die !
103 Post contains images LX-Maria : From the rules of this forum: ..."Please do not overuse these smilies. Never use more than one smiley to express an emotion."... So Ceilidh; stick to
104 Zauberfloete : Swissair is bancrupt, and out of business. Crossair will probably take over 2/3rds of the swissair operations under new crossair contracts. That means
105 Airbuspilot : Maybe not today, maybe tomorrow. Are you in a hurry ceilidh? If the only thing you have to say is that it is the BeCA' fault that SN is in this positi
106 LX-Maria : [Sabena --out of business???] The Belgians have the experience to handle crisis. With their politicians, there is a daily crisis. So they will come up
107 Lj : First some facts. Fact 1: SR filed for bankruptcy protection today. Fact 2: SN will not get the EUR 430 (from both SR and the Belgian State) in one pi
108 Gerardo : To be more accurate: SAirGroup, Flightlease and Sairlines is filing for bankrupcy. Crossair will take over 2/3 of the SR operations. The brands "Swiss
109 Ceilidh : And since, as I pointed out that under EU law, the Belgian government can only contribute additional finance if it is in relation to the overall share
110 Spitfire : Why not Ceilidh, there is pretty good wine there ...and some pretty girls too...Thank you LX-Maria.
111 Lj : Rik Daems will sue Swissair (or what's left of it) because they knew they were going to file for bankruptcy for at least some weeks (and that's probab
112 Post contains images Ceilidh : Laurens - if that's the case then SN's management must be remarkably stupid - even I was able to forecast SR going into bankruptcy a while back (and w
113 Lj : Rik Daems has said on VRT TV that Conti always said they were going to pay. Anyway, I agree what Rik Dames said on TV. This is complex financial engin
114 Spitfire : There is almost no ordinary shareholder for Sabena.
115 Lj : Sptifire, I was talking about the ordinary shareholders of SR not SN (SN only has two shareholders as far as I know). Anyway, does anyone know if BeCA
116 Airbuspilot : Strike is suspended 24 h tomorrow untill further notice . This to give Mr Chaffart and his team time to negotiate over the demands of the BeCA and the
117 Groholsky : I repeat... Herr Mueller,prepare to die ! ! !
118 Ceilidh : Actually, as I understand it, was reappointed by the Belgian Government - not SR - as part of the settlement plan. He no longer works for SR in any wa
119 Spitfire : Well ... you....
120 Airbuspilot : Ceilidh DO , CEilidh DO, Ceilidh DO, Ceilidh DO,.... Sorry guys, the ones concerned will know what i am talking about. The ones who where there last t
121 Sabenapilot : Thinking????.... Ceilidh???? What are you talking about??? Anyway, he would never even care about taking over Sabena, as we don't fly the L-1011, isn'
122 Prebennorholm : Strike suspended 24h...!!! That's really a joke. There will hardly be a dozen passengers who are foolish enough to step on a SN plane tomorrow - or un
123 Sabenapilot : Why should they? To park them in the desert alongside those other planes companies all over the world retired last month?
124 Prebennorholm : Yeah, if they can't find better. It would still be better than having them all run down for a D check.
125 Stratofish : Seems like finally there´s light shining at the end of the darkness SN is flying through ?
126 Spitfire : Hey Sabenapilot that could be a great idea : replace our brand new Airbus with Ceilidh's 44 L-1011....Sure we'll make huge profit then ...
127 LX-Maria : Good news for Sabena again. Flightlease files also for bancruptcy. All airbuses are leased from flightlease; this is a chance to renegociate the too e
128 DragonRapide : To the Belgians in here I have a question: Why has the press been so biased? It is clear to me that the Belgian Government knew what Swissair was up t
129 Post contains images Ceilidh : How on earth can the bankruptcy of Flightlease be good news for SN?, LX Maria? What will happen is that those aircraft will be repossessed by the rece
130 DragonRapide : Well Ceilidh, I know that you don't agree but I indeed think our friends at BeCA are brave. Just spent the last hour definding here in the office the
131 Com3205 : Ceilidh, are you paid for this ? Does your mam know you're always on the net and she will have a huge tel. bill ? Some details of the last contract be
132 Sabenapilot : There is a suggest deletion button in the top right corner, guys. I suggest we all use it as it is illegal to post more then one smily at a time. A go
133 Erasmus : BeCa suspended the strike for 24 hours and they are having a general assembly tonight at 18.00 LT, where the next course of action will be decided.
134 Spitfire : Ok, but what about Com3205 little girl ? She will be sad !!
135 Pat : The problems with your guys pilots, excepted that you are doing a stupid strike - as most of the people on this forum told you - is that the 3 or 4 s
136 Pat : Have a better idea...iso changing our planes we could just change our - striking - pilots... Why can t you behave like US pilots : it means : understa
137 Post contains images Ceilidh : I'm seriously thinking of changing my dog's name to BeCA. She's a Belgian Shepherd (Groenendael) and thinks she's the boss, as well!
138 Com3205 : I've news for you Ceilidh actualy your dog IS the boss, maybe you should listen a litlle bit more to your dog, he knows a lot more about aviation than
139 Airbuspilot : Okay pat, and why dont we change in the meantime all the management personnel as well. We can find those guys as well in thge states!! Looks to me tha
140 Cfalk : Swissair, a company positioned to dominate international travel in the early 90's is trashed. They did it in 2 ways: 1) Trying to increase profits by
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