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Indian Aviation Thread Part 105  
User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2981 posts, RR: 25
Posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 27897 times:

Starting #105 here

Here is an article compiling some statistics of AI's YOY performance:

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...d/articleshow/24056760.cms?curpg=2

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In other news:

* SG, 6E have been granted permission to start IXC - DXB flights

* SG has got permission to fly RUH - LKO, COK - DMM and IXM - DXB


A lion does not concern himself with the opinions of the sheep
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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3269 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 27686 times:

Air Costa failed to start today, they are hopeful of starting ops tomorrow. Bummer about the delay!


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User currently offlineDTW2HYD From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 2205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 27532 times:

AI switched to B787 on DEL-HKG-ICN route today with VT-ANL.

User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 388 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (1 year 1 month 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 27431 times:

Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 2):
AI switched to B787 on DEL-HKG-ICN route today with VT-ANL.

Thats nice.

Quoting Nimish (Reply 1):
Air Costa failed to start today, they are hopeful of starting ops tomorrow. Bummer about the delay!

Yeah. Seemandhra is burning with discontent and power blackouts and these guys want to start an airline from there??



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User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 27203 times:

Does anyone know for sure if photography by passengers is allowed INSIDE the aircraft (of the cabin) in India / on Indian carriers? Have heard conflicting info on this, and the DGCA circulars don't seem to talk to this -- they talk of photography FROM the aircraft.

In my experience over the years, AI and 9W seem quite relaxed about it on international flights. But have been stopped by KFA, SpiceJet, and the old IC on domestic flights.

Thanks.


User currently offlineDTW2HYD From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 2205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (1 year 1 month 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 27139 times:

It appears Air Costa finally started its service.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWtJchG7ow0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpS5bO94lHw


User currently offlineDTW2HYD From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 2205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (1 year 1 month 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 26929 times:

Did VT-ANL gone tech @SYD? Any details.

User currently offlinesturmovik From India, joined May 2007, 512 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 26733 times:

Tata SQ JV cleared by the FIPB.

http://www.moneycontrol.com/news/bus...apore-airlines-venture_975878.html

Anyone got any ideas on when we can expect them to start, what the fleet might look like, etc? Would SQ be lending them planes a la Scoot, or would they place fresh orders?



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User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 26703 times:

Quoting sturmovik (Reply 7):
Anyone got any ideas on when we can expect them to start, what the fleet might look like, etc? Would SQ be lending them planes a la Scoot

Unlikely SQ since Tata-SIA will not want wide-bodies, at least until they can go international. Perhaps Silkair? Or just procure / lease new aircraft.

In any case, FIPB approval is just one hurdle. May be a long trek ahead yet. Just ask EY-9W or even Air Asia India!


User currently offlinesnehnath From India, joined Apr 2005, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 26635 times:

Quoting sankaps (Reply 8):
In any case, FIPB approval is just one hurdle. May be a long trek ahead yet. Just ask EY-9W or even Air Asia India!

Interesting you say that. While there are tons of things that need to improve in Civil Aviation in India, I thought the EY-9W deal, the Air Asia India and the Tata-SIA application were actually cleared in good time. Air Asia India will probably fly in 1Q 2014. How much quicker do you want the process to be?


User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 26626 times:

Quoting snehnath (Reply 9):
I thought the EY-9W deal, the Air Asia India and the Tata-SIA application were actually cleared in good time. Air Asia India will probably fly in 1Q 2014. How much quicker do you want the process to be?

I dunno, I get the feeling James Hogan and Tony F may disagree.

Sure from the Aviation and Finance ministry and FIPB perspective these were cleared pretty quick, but only to hit other approval delays that have caused their plans to slip repeatedly beyond their target dates, with prospects of them being delayed further due to litigation. Which is why I would not read too much into just FIPB clearance, it is only one hurdle.


User currently offlineDTW2HYD From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 2205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (1 year 1 month 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 26615 times:

Quoting snehnath (Reply 9):
the EY-9W deal

Under review with Supreme Court.

Quoting snehnath (Reply 9):
the Air Asia India and the Tata-SIA

These may not even be legal under current law, law is not clear if 49% foreign investment is allowed in start-ups, currently with High Court, can go to Supreme Court. Amendment to law may be required to allow start-ups with 49% FDI.


User currently offlineblrsea From India, joined May 2005, 1426 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (1 year 1 month 12 hours ago) and read 26483 times:

An article on how AI has reduced the flights out of BOM

Mumbai reduced to a non-metro by Air India

Quote:
...
No matter how cynical you are, you will find it hard to change Mumbai's status to that of a non-metro. But on Air India's route map, that is exactly what the city has been reduced to.

The national carrier no longer operates direct flights from the city to destinations like Singapore, Kuala Lumpur, Frankfurt, Paris, Tokyo, Osaka, Hong Kong, Chicago, New York, Nairobi, Durban and Dar es Salaam, among others.
...
...
No matter how cynical you are, you will find it hard to change Mumbai's status to that of a non-metro. But on Air India's route map, that is exactly what the city has been reduced to.

The national carrier no longer operates direct flights from the city to destinations like Singapore, Kuala Lumpur, Frankfurt, Paris, Tokyo, Osaka, Hong Kong, Chicago, New York, Nairobi, Durban and Dar es Salaam, among others.
...

It is a shame that AI has let go of BOM. While I don't disagree with DEL becoming the focus city, it sounds sort of stupid to give up on an established hub. They could have built up DEL while maintaining DEL with some smart use of resources, including going in for leases etc.


User currently offlinegr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3124 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (1 year 1 month 2 hours ago) and read 26376 times:

Quoting sankaps (Reply 4):
Does anyone know for sure if photography by passengers is allowed INSIDE the aircraft (of the cabin) in India / on Indian carriers? Have heard conflicting info on this, and the DGCA circulars don't seem to talk to this -- they talk of photography FROM the aircraft.

Over the years (and I'm talking like last 25 odd years) I've taken pics inside AI planes on several occasions.......on one occasion, even got the IFS to take a pic of me in my seat......I've taken pics inside the cockpit and never been stopped....


User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 388 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 26319 times:

Quoting sankaps (Reply 4):
Does anyone know for sure if photography by passengers is allowed INSIDE the aircraft (of the cabin) in India / on Indian carriers?

I have written an article on this subject with the links to the respective circulars. However A.net rules prohibit me from posting the link to my site. So please visit and in the search box look up "DGCA rules photography".

Inside the aircraft though, it is a privilege extended by the airline not a right, since it is their property. Shooting from the aircraft, outside, is technically not a prerogative of the crew. That's where the DGCA circulars coming in to play. Shooting standing on the tarmac is not allowed, and for heavens sake do not try taking photos at defence airports like Pune, Jodhpur, Guwahati, Srinagar, Leh, etc.



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User currently offlineAirIndia111 From India, joined Aug 2013, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 26291 times:

Quoting blrsea (Reply 12):
it sounds sort of stupid to give up on an established hub.

What kind of established hub did AI have at BOM? All they had were odd 3 weekly flights to different destinations. And how could they further expand in a slot constrained airport with no room / infrastructure to expand?

As for the routes mentioned in the article:

SIN - Served nonstop from Mumbai as of last month. They had to terminate the nonstop flights since the 2x 330's had to be taken out for Hajj Operations. Besides, the old 320's are being retired, hence there is a shortage of narrow body fleet to serve the existing routes.

KUL - Cancelled since it was loss making. If AI wants to make profits, then they had to drop such routes. AIX still operates to KUL.

NRT / KIX / HKG - All were milk runs via DEL. And they are still operated as such. The only difference is that the BOM-DEL segment is done by a narrowbody international connector flight.

ORD - Was operated as a one stop via CDG / FRA. Still operated as a one stop via DEL.

JFK - Was operated as a one stop via FRA / LHR. Still operated as a one stop via DEL. AI 101 / 102 is a same plane service from BOM to JFK.

EWR - Was operated as a one stop via CDG. Now non-stop to EWR from BOM.

NBO / DAR - As and when AI has more 787's, these routes will be launched from BOM only.

CDG / FRA - AI never managed to serve them with terminator flights. The brief period when FRA had terminator flights, the same were again operated via DEL.


User currently offlineVTORD From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 26220 times:

Posting the article mentioned in Reply 14 here for easy access:

http://www.bangaloreaviation.com/201...ules-on-taking-photographs-of.html



Get your facts first. Then you may distort them as you like.
User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2893 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 26197 times:

Quoting AirIndia111 (Reply 15):

nice summary !

Slight correction,

BOM-HKG was a 5x terminator service at one point on the 310s, it was removed as it was one of those gifts by PP to Lalajet .
my father has flown it several times

KUL, I don't think it was anyways non stop from BOM.

This Toilet of India article is absolute trash, they have given examples of PEK on AI , when AI does not even operate there

Karan


User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 26134 times:

Quoting VTORD (Reply 16):
Posting the article mentioned in Reply 14 here for easy access:

http://www.bangaloreaviation.com/201....html

Thanks very much VTORD and Devesh, much appreciated.


User currently offlinegr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3124 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 26118 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 17):
This Toilet of India article is absolute trash


Haha 

  


User currently offlineAirIndia111 From India, joined Aug 2013, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (1 year 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 26043 times:

Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 6):
Did VT-ANL gone tech @SYD? Any details.

Yes, though the below article mentions MEL, the incident did happen in SYD.

http://www.mumbaimirror.com/mumbai/o...ner-in-Oz/articleshow/24680693.cms


ANH is also grounded in DEL since Monday. They did a test flight over DEL yesterday but it still seems to be grounded.

ANN was operating the SYD-MEL route yesterday and gates were closed on time at 1345. But the aircraft didn't push back till 1700.

ANL operated ATQ-DEL yesterday and went tech. The DEL-BHX leg was then operated by VT-ANK.

ANI went to CCU yesterday (AI 20) and hasn't returned back (another grounding). AI 701 was operated by A321.


User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 388 posts, RR: 14
Reply 21, posted (1 year 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 25991 times:

Quoting sankaps (Reply 18):

You are welcome.

Quoting VTORD (Reply 16):
Posting the article mentioned in Reply 14 here for easy access:

http://www.bangaloreaviation.com/201....html

   Thanks very much.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (1 year 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 25954 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 17):
This Toilet of India article is absolute trash, they have given examples of PEK on AI , when AI does not even operate there

Newspapers need to recruit Aviation correspondents who qualify for the position......



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User currently offlineDTW2HYD From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 2205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (1 year 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 25916 times:

Quoting AirIndia111 (Reply 20):

As always thanks for sharing interesting tidbits. There is a pattern emerging with B787 TDR. If you fly to a station with B787 relatively large experienced maintenance staff like DEL/LHR/FRA they will be able to take care. If you are flying to a station which sees one or two B787s a day, most likely you will get stuck. I suppose B787 program is breeding a small group of elite engineers. I want to see what QR will do on DOH-BLR. With AI switching back BLR to A320, AAB may have to change equipment.


User currently offlineAirIndia111 From India, joined Aug 2013, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 25848 times:

Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 23):
If you fly to a station with B787 relatively large experienced maintenance staff like DEL/LHR/FRA

AI has had their 787's stuck for more than 24 hrs. even in CDG and FRA.

Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 23):
With AI switching back BLR to A320

With the winter schedule kicking in today, BLR is back to 787. Although today's flight was clubbed with the MAA flight due to 787 shortage at DEL.


Today's 787 Update: ANN had to turn back to MEL within an hour after its departure. It is still grounded in MEL. ANI flew back to DEL from CCU. ANI and ANH are grounded in DEL.


User currently offlineVTORD From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (1 year 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 25841 times:

Quoting sankaps (Reply 18):
Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 21):

  



Get your facts first. Then you may distort them as you like.
User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4903 posts, RR: 16
Reply 26, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 25788 times:

Quoting AirIndia111 (Reply 24):
Today's 787 Update: ANN had to turn back to MEL within an hour after its departure. It is still grounded in MEL. ANI flew back to DEL from CCU. ANI and ANH are grounded in DEL.

Was this the 'semi-emergency' AI 787 that had to return due to flaperon problems? There is mention of it on avherald.


User currently offlineAirIndia111 From India, joined Aug 2013, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 27, posted (1 year 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 25932 times:

Quoting comorin (Reply 26):

Was this the 'semi-emergency' AI 787 that had to return due to flaperon problems?

Yes, its the same flight.


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2971 posts, RR: 7
Reply 28, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 25858 times:

I guess you folks might have read this by now, talks of an harrowing experience for an Indian passenger on AF. I will agree that there is apathy by AF over here, "Racism" less so. This is strangely quite common for AF in India, Google the stories and there is a reason Indians are flocking in droves to Gulf airlines.


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User currently offline388crazy From Australia, joined Mar 2013, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 25824 times:

Hi,

I did a search on google but couldn't find an answer.
Is Vijayawada Airport and Gannavaram Airport the same Airport?

Thanks


User currently offline15a From India, joined Jan 2006, 79 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 25789 times:

Quoting 388crazy (Reply 29):

Yes


User currently offlineDTW2HYD From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 2205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (1 year 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 25820 times:

Quoting 388crazy (Reply 29):
Is Vijayawada Airport and Gannavaram Airport the same Airport?

Both are same. Vijayawada is the closest city and Gannavaram is the name of place where the airport is located which serves Vijayawada.


User currently offline388crazy From Australia, joined Mar 2013, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 25685 times:

Thanks,
I was thinking that maybe there were 2 airports serving Vijayawada which didn't make sense to me as VGA is very small.


User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1654 posts, RR: 1
Reply 33, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 25726 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 28):
I guess you folks might have read this by now, talks of an harrowing experience for an Indian passenger on AF. I will agree that there is apathy by AF over here, "Racism" less so. This is strangely quite common for AF in India, Google the stories and there is a reason Indians are flocking in droves to Gulf airlines.

Yes, this story is all over facebook timeline.....

I noticed this in Paris at the Eiffel Tower entrance. A bus full of Indians (on a guided tour) were literally herded in as cattle. The usher apparantly learnt a few hindi words due to his frewuent handling of Indians and kept shouting "chalo chalo" to the poor tourists.


User currently offlineBigTom From United Arab Emirates, joined Dec 2006, 597 posts, RR: 3
Reply 34, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 25669 times:

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 33):
I noticed this in Paris at the Eiffel Tower entrance. A bus full of Indians (on a guided tour) were literally herded in as cattle. The usher apparantly learnt a few hindi words due to his frewuent handling of Indians and kept shouting "chalo chalo" to the poor tourists.

Well nobody likes to hear the world racism, but it's there hidden under a 'polite' veneer in many parts of the world. There have been some tales of LH treating Indians shabbily too at FRA. Anybody had any similar experiences at LHR?


User currently offlineVTORD From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 25616 times:

I have not had such a harrowing experience. Not even close nor do I know anybody who has. But about 2 years ago I was flying BOM-ORD via CDG and about 30 of us were called forward for "random" checks before boarding the DL flight to ORD at CDG. They looked in my bag, my passport, some papers and asked the questions about who packed it and if it had ever been out of sight and so on. I did not say anything but I remember thinking to myself as I looked around that the check looked anything but random. There was 1 African-American person, 1 Caucasian person and the rest were all people who had no doubt originated their flight somewhere in South Asia or Middle East.


Get your facts first. Then you may distort them as you like.
User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3269 posts, RR: 9
Reply 36, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 25580 times:

Quoting BigTom (Reply 34):
There have been some tales of LH treating Indians shabbily too at FRA

I posted this on my FB wall and on AI as well...

Quote:
I was on a UA/ LH connection at FRA earlier this year (ticket on UA stock), the UA flight IAD-FRA was delayed. When i got to FRA, missed my FRA-BLR connection, went to the UA counter, was immediately given a confirmed routing via LH (FRA-DXB) + EK (DXB-BLR), new tickets issued and boarding pass till DXB issued in minutes. Bags automatically re-routed as well. Shit happens, it's how you deal with it that counts. AF has screwed up big time here.



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User currently offlineaarbee From India, joined Aug 2005, 261 posts, RR: 0
Reply 37, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 25511 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 28):
I guess you folks might have read this by now, talks of an harrowing experience for an Indian passenger on AF. I will agree that there is apathy by AF over here, "Racism" less so. This is strangely quite common for AF in India, Google the stories and there is a reason Indians are flocking in droves to Gulf airlines.

Could you please post a pointer. Not aware about this.

Quoting Nimish (Reply 36):
I posted this on my FB wall and on AI as well...

Nice job by UA. What about the DXB-BLR bp?

R



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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3269 posts, RR: 9
Reply 38, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 25549 times:

Quoting aarbee (Reply 37):
Nice job by UA. What about the DXB-BLR bp?

Got off at DXB, passed security, there was an EK ticket counter right there, stood in the queue, and walked away with the boarding tag and my bags transfer confirmed. Took time due to the queue, but the actual processing was smooth as UA/ LH had created the ticket for EK's sector.



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User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2893 posts, RR: 18
Reply 39, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 25486 times:

Quoting Nimish (Reply 36):
. Quoting BigTom (Reply 34):
There have been some tales of LH treating Indians shabbily too at FRA

I posted this on my FB wall and on AI as well...

Quote:
I was on a UA/ LH connection at FRA earlier this year (ticket on UA stock), the UA flight IAD-FRA was delayed. When i got to FRA, missed my FRA-BLR connection, went to the UA counter, was immediately given a confirmed routing via LH (FRA-DXB) + EK (DXB-BLR), new tickets issued and boarding pass till DXB issued in minutes. Bags automatically re-routed as well. Shit happens, it's how you deal with it that counts. AF has screwed up big time here.


Nimish, I guess you were looked well after because of your 1K status with UA."

Any idea how passengers who dint have status were looked after.

Karan


User currently offlineOOSGB From Belgium, joined Jan 2011, 23 posts, RR: 0
Reply 40, posted (1 year 3 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 25432 times:

It's seems that the BRU stays as 9W expressed its "long-term commitment" to BRU. Any thoughts?

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/...waits-panel-nod/article5268093.ece

What a saga...


User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3269 posts, RR: 9
Reply 41, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 25331 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 39):
Nimish, I guess you were looked well after because of your 1K status with UA."

Any idea how passengers who dint have status were looked after.

On this flight - I was actually flying with no status on UA - just a regular "entry-level" member. I was earning miles on UA, and was not a status holder on UA as yet (screenshot below shows zero bonus miles, even silver gets 25% bonus miles on UA's MP)

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/5933/rdxo.jpg

From what I remember, all the pax on the flight headed to BLR were rebooked on this routing. I don't think anyone had any issues or discrimination.

Off topic, but despite everyone to BLR being routed via DXB, yet the LH FRA-DXB was probably only 30% full - I had a full 4 seat section to myself...



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User currently offlineDTW2HYD From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 2205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 42, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 25274 times:

Quoting OOSGB (Reply 40):
It's seems that the BRU stays as 9W expressed its "long-term commitment" to BRU. Any thoughts?

That is non-answer answer.

EY is in lot of trouble by meddling with 9W management before deal is closed. Moving from BRU to AMS is one of those.

Now the deal is under court review and GoI found a potential way out (awaiting clearance from CCI), 9W is playing safe.

I was under the impression Cabinet Committee approval(subject to litigation) is final step in Indian bureaucracy, but they always pull a rabbit out.


User currently offlinebuck3y3nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2006, 881 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 25233 times:

Quoting aarbee (Reply 37):
Could you please post a pointer. Not aware about this.

I posted it here on A.net. Check the thread out.

One Night In Paris - Air France Complaint Blog... (by buck3y3nut Oct 29 2013 in Aviation Polls)


User currently offlineanshuk From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2009, 486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 44, posted (1 year 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 25143 times:

Haven't followed these threads in quite a while now, hope to be back and regular now! Flew out of BLR during the day for the first time in ageeees this past weekend and noticed that the terminal extension work is progressing well! The last gate in the international pier appeared to have a two-level, three arm aerobridge! Glad to see them preparing for the A380 despite the present ban. Sorry if this has been posted before! Will try to take a photo the next time.

User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2893 posts, RR: 18
Reply 45, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 25000 times:

Quoting Nimish (Reply 41):
On this flight - I was actually flying with no status on UA - just a regular "entry-level" member. I was earning miles on UA, and was not a status holder on UA as yet (screenshot below shows zero bonus miles, even silver gets 25% bonus miles on UA's MP)

Interesting...thanks for sharing that

Karan


User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2893 posts, RR: 18
Reply 46, posted (1 year 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 24826 times:

I Dont think i had posted this earlier here,

But VT-ALA, VH-ALB, VT-ALC, VT-ALF and VT-ALG are the designated aircrafts to go to EY

Karan


User currently offlineAirIndia111 From India, joined Aug 2013, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 47, posted (1 year 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 24829 times:

Noticed something on the DEL Airport Website today. It seems that AI had plans to launch Moscow in the Winter 2013 schedule and the schedules had been submitted to DGCA / DEL Airport. But the flights are not being launched (Due to 787 shortage?).

I have previously seen DEL airport load all flights on their website for which they have schedules available without confirming from the airline whether they will be operating the same or not.



User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2981 posts, RR: 25
Reply 48, posted (1 year 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 24711 times:

Yes, Moscow ; Rome - Milan; and Manchester should be announced in the coming months.


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User currently offlineDTW2HYD From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 2205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 49, posted (1 year 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 24606 times:

Quoting AirIndia111 (Reply 47):
Noticed something on the DEL Airport Website today. It seems that AI had plans to launch Moscow in the Winter 2013 schedule and the schedules had been submitted to DGCA / DEL Airport. But the flights are not being launched (Due to 787 shortage?).

I think ANK loosing panel and quite a few going tech is quick succession dampened AI plans to expand. I think they need quick deliveries. AI is scheduled to get two in Nov and probably two in Dec.


User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 388 posts, RR: 14
Reply 50, posted (1 year 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 24461 times:

Looks like one more incident with the AI 787 at MEL. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi...nding/story-e6frg95x-1226753199398

Also surprised at the passenger numbers. Only 74?



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User currently offlinegoacom From United States of America, joined Feb 2009, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (1 year 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 24375 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 50):
Also surprised at the passenger numbers. Only 74?

Now that is the real story or rather the same old story of AI flying at low load factors on its prestige international routes.


User currently offlineAirIndia111 From India, joined Aug 2013, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 52, posted (1 year 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 24360 times:

We need to keep in mind that this flight left Delhi on Sunday, and it was Diwali that day.

Not many people would fly from India to Oz on Diwali, especially the ones which form AI's target clientele on this route.


User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2893 posts, RR: 18
Reply 53, posted (1 year 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 24207 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 50):

Looks like one more incident with the AI 787 at MEL. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/busi...nding/story-e6frg95x-1226753199398

Also surprised at the passenger numbers. Only 74?

Independent sources confirm that there were 174 passengers on board, seems to be a media screw up

Karan


User currently offlineDTW2HYD From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 2205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (1 year 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 24210 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 53):
seems to be a media screw up

Talking about media screw up, report almost suggests DEL-MEL pax were sent back to DEL on other flights. Fails to mention MEL-SYD,MEL-SYD-DEL and SYD-DEL pax were rebooked on other flights. I guess triangular route is too much for media aviation pundits.


User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3269 posts, RR: 9
Reply 55, posted (1 year 1 week 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 23799 times:

Crossposting my post from AI

From; http://www.firstpost.com/business/an...deal-anti-competitive-1218347.html

Quote:
Another hurdle for Jet-Etihad? AI may tell CCI deal ‘anti-competitive

Fresh hurdles have appeared in consummation of the equity deal between Jet Airways and Etihad Airways which can only mean a slow death for the Indian airline. It is urgently in need of the cash pile from Etihad, but now two different Government agencies want to have their day in the sun by asking questions after the Union Cabinet cleared both, the equity deal and the amended Air Services Agreement (ASA) between India and Abu Dhabi.

Some questions have recently been raised on whether directors of the proposed airline, which will be formed after Etihad picks up 24% equity in Jet, have been given security clearance by the Home Ministry.

And now, Competition Commission of India is seeking comments from Air India, Jet’s primary full service competitor, on whether the equity deal will be anti-competitive. Jet Airways is in urgent need of funds from Etihad.
The first set of queries on security clearance seems to be coming as an after thought, the second set by CCI seems a no-brainer. Why were security agencies sleeping till now? And why would Air India not harp on how the deal will destroy competition and hurt the Indian aviation industry?

In fact, sources Firstpost spoke to this morning aver that the proposed equity deal between Jet and Etihad will mean that the market share of the combined entity on the India-Abu Dhabi route will increase to about 80%, with only 20% remaining for other carriers including Air India. “If this is not anti competitive, what is? It is erroneous to believe that Jet and Etihad will continue to work as separate entities after the stake acquisition by Etihad and this has been proved by multiple queries the Government itself raised over effective control and ownerhsip of the new proposed airline,” these sources said.

Air India is expected to file its reply to CCI queries by this evening. Besides pointing out the complete skew of the India-Abu Dhabi market towards the Jet-Etihad combine, AI’s reply will also seek to raise questions about cost structures, hidden subsidies and non-transparent mode of operations of all Gulf carriers including Etihad. Air India is obviously not going to leave this chance to put doubts in the minds of CCI babus about how the Jet-Etihad deal will kill competition, at least on the India-Abu Dhabi route. Will this mean CCI could actually call the Jet-Etihad equity deal anti-competitive? It is one of the possibilities....

More BS overall - esp. given how AI held the exclusive rights on India-Gulf for many years/ decades. India-AUH is not a "single" market - it's actually the overall India-Middle east market - which is certainly very competitive, and the India-Europe/ India-NorthAmerica market - which is again very competitive. And AI complaining about "hidden subsidies/ lack of transparency" - wow!



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Reply 56, posted (1 year 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 23783 times:
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Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 11):
Quoting snehnath (Reply 9):
the EY-9W deal

Under review with Supreme Court.

One hopes it goes though. If not, it will send a clear message on investment in India... In particular with all that happened with Vodaphone.

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User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1654 posts, RR: 1
Reply 57, posted (1 year 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 23462 times:

http://www.financialexpress.com/news...rrot-to-secure-cheaper-lng/1194171

So its not QR thats offering sops for seats but Indian offering seats for cheap LNG.

Another blow for DXB and EK.

Will DXB now prepare package to offer business possibilities for chemicals and pharmaceuticals (as mentioned by Lightsaber) to build on their entitlements....?


User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13436 posts, RR: 100
Reply 58, posted (1 year 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 23340 times:
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Quoting AirIndia (Reply 57):
So its not QR thats offering sops for seats but Indian offering seats for cheap LNG.

Interesting link. I wonder how 'cheap' the LNG will really be.  

Wow, increase seats to 72,600 from a mere 24,800. That is a dramatic change. I wonder if QR would ally with one of the Indian carriers (6E would be my guess) to further improve connections.

I wonder how much of Doha's commitment to invest in India is based on the increased air service rights?

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 57):
Another blow for DXB and EK.

   But Dubai still holds the chemical and pharma distribution cards... so at some point, since I believe (but haven't found a link) that India has maxed out those industries in the bilateral.

The real blow will be to AI. With EY/9W and QR expanding rapidly on one side and AirAsia/Lion Air on the other. India will be able to shed their over Billion USD per year burden:
In December 2011, the Indian Government
finalised plans to provide more than US$11
billion in state support to Air India. This
includes coordinating loans from 14 banks
worth US$5.7 billion over a 10-year period
and US$4.7 billion to fund its fleet acquisition
plans. In March 2012, the Indian Government
approved a cash injection of US$800 million
under the federal budget for 2012/13.

http://content.emirates.com/us/engli...20position%20new_tcm272-845771.pdf

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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 59, posted (1 year 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 23122 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 28):
I guess you folks might have read this by now, talks of an harrowing experience for an Indian passenger on AF. I will agree that there is apathy by AF over here, "Racism" less so. This is strangely quite common for AF in India, Google the stories and there is a reason Indians are flocking in droves to Gulf airlines.

If Pax have a choice...this behaviour by Airlines will not continue for long.......Its all about Payload....  



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Reply 60, posted (1 year 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 22938 times:

FAA plans December audit after finding 33 deficiencies in DGCA Shortcomings found in US aviation regulator’s Sep audit increase chance of downgrade of India’s safety rankings

http://www.livemint.com/Home-Page/dv...finding-33-deficiencies-in-DG.html


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Reply 61, posted (1 year 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 22656 times:
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Quoting sankaps (Reply 60):

FAA plans December audit after finding 33 deficiencies in DGCA Shortcomings found in US aviation regulator’s Sep audit increase chance of downgrade of India’s safety rankings

I'd like to know more as livemint has not been my favorite link. Any other sources?

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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 388 posts, RR: 14
Reply 62, posted (1 year 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 22508 times:

Now someone, somewhere has decided to play it tough with the FAA. Not the best course of action, but India must do what's in her interest. However, for some persons in MoCA to leak it to Tarun Shukla (and one of them is probably a Jt. Secretary level), for public consumption is downright foolish. One can theorise that this is almost like this person wants to precipitate some negative action that will hurt AI and put pressure for Nandan's removal, and then making him in line for the MD's job.

http://www.livemint.com/Politics/57E...-US-FAA-over-safety-downgrade.html

Ahh the games in the corridors of power.



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User currently onlineCaliAtenza From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1580 posts, RR: 0
Reply 63, posted (1 year 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 22455 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 62):

Now someone, somewhere has decided to play it tough with the FAA. Not the best course of action, but India must do what's in her interest. However, for some persons in MoCA to leak it to Tarun Shukla (and one of them is probably a Jt. Secretary level), for public consumption is downright foolish. One can theorise that this is almost like this person wants to precipitate some negative action that will hurt AI and put pressure for Nandan's removal, and then making him in line for the MD's job.

http://www.livemint.com/Politics/57E...-US-FAA-over-safety-downgrade.html

Ahh the games in the corridors of power.

I see the old attitude of us Indians rears its ugly head again; shift the blame on to the other party...and not address potential problems.


User currently offlineDTW2HYD From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 2205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 64, posted (1 year 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 22402 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 62):
Now someone, somewhere has decided to play it tough with the FAA. Not the best course of action, but India must do what's in her interest. However, for some persons in MoCA to leak it to Tarun Shukla (and one of them is probably a Jt. Secretary level), for public consumption is downright foolish. One can theorise that this is almost like this person wants to precipitate some negative action that will hurt AI and put pressure for Nandan's removal, and then making him in line for the MD's job.

http://www.livemint.com/Politics/57E...-US-FAA-over-safety-downgrade.html

Ahh the games in the corridors of power.

I think livemint is trying to spin story from both ends. Entire A-list of USA aviation industry was entertaining India for three days October 29-31 in DC. Other than talk about cooperation there were no hostilities.

http://www.ustda.gov/news/events/201...ia/India/USIndiaAviationSummit.asp

http://www.ustda.gov/news/pressrelea...a/USIndiaAviationSummit_103013.asp

Event agenda in password protected but you will be amazed to see who was present, DOT,TSA,FAA, Boeing, GE, Honeywell, P&W, airport authorities were among the keynote speakers.


User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 65, posted (1 year 4 days ago) and read 22269 times:

Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 64):
I think livemint is trying to spin story from both ends. Entire A-list of USA aviation industry was entertaining India for three days October 29-31 in DC. Other than talk about cooperation there were no hostilities.
Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 64):
Event agenda in password protected but you will be amazed to see who was present, DOT,TSA,FAA, Boeing, GE, Honeywell, P&W, airport authorities were among the keynote speakers.

There is a difference between commercial interest and opportunities and safety oversight, and they should be at arms length for good reason. The existence of the former should not impact at all the functioning of the latter. In fact in fast growing aviation markets in developing countries, the importance of proper procedures and safety oversight increases manifold.

Clearly the September 2013 FAA audit, which some here touted as a clear certification of safety, making Japan's request for an audit meaningless, was not in fact that clear.


User currently offlineDTW2HYD From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 2205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 66, posted (1 year 4 days ago) and read 22250 times:

Quoting sankaps (Reply 65):
There is a difference between commercial interest and opportunities and safety oversight, and they should be at arms length for good reason. The existence of the former should not impact at all the functioning of the latter. In fact in fast growing aviation markets in developing countries, the importance of proper procedures and safety oversight increases manifold. Clearly the September 2013 FAA audit, which some here touted as a clear certification of safety, making Japan's request for an audit meaningless, was not in fact that clear.

I am not denying DGCA's deficiencies or possible FAA downgrade. I am not certain a low level Indian official will give such warning to FAA at a summit Ajit Singh, Michael Huerta and Shep Hill is present. If you watch videos and transcripts from the summit USA is ready to extend all the help India needs. Last thing India need to do is to spoil such relationship.

If there are such leaks from a government agency here, that official will be escorted out as soon as identified.

But in India, you cannot get rid of a federal official or a public sector union worker. As BLRAviation explained, someone in MoCA looking for AI Managing Director position and will plant every bad news to make the position vacant. Even if hurts entire country. Typical mentality. Tarun Shukla is doing everything possible to help that source.

In USA when an anonymous source leaks information media outlets try to get confirmation from independent second source. But in India you start typing it into Newswire or Associated Press or Reuters.


User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 388 posts, RR: 14
Reply 67, posted (1 year 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 22204 times:

Quoting CaliAtenza (Reply 63):
I see the old attitude of us Indians rears its ugly head again; shift the blame on to the other party...and not address potential problems.

I don't know who you are referring to when you say "us Indians"? But other things aside, personally I believe this article by Tarun is damaging and ill-advised.

Without doubt, the DGCA has its deficiencies, many of them, like hiring of specialist examiners, will be corrected by the new CAA since it will not be a department of the government, and hence not bound by government salary structures which are way below industry norms for these types of specialist positions.

A diplomatic negotiation would have been best as said by Steve Forte

Quote:
Jet Airways’ former chief executive Steve Forte, who is based in New York, said both sides need to cool down the situation. “A win-win amicable solution would be much more desirable. How to achieve it? DGCA should show the willingness to work together with the FAA to resolve all issues and to accept their recommendations as long as they are factual and have a purpose,” he said. “It is important for the DGCA to negotiate a reasonable timetable to get the work done after this next audit and before the following. DGCA and FAA should cooperate together to publish a timeline with specific goals and dates to be met.”

But now with this article out in public, the FAA's hands are forced. They cannot be seen to be publicly bowing to a "third world country". You live in the US now and would probably recognise the national psyche behind this.

So more flights via the gulf.

Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 64):
I think livemint is trying to spin story from both ends. Entire A-list of USA aviation industry was entertaining India for three days October 29-31 in DC. Other than talk about cooperation there were no hostilities.
This was the India-US aviation summit.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 68, posted (12 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 21893 times:

Wouldn't the best way forward by DGCA would be to address these 33 deficiencies raised by FAA.


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User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2893 posts, RR: 18
Reply 69, posted (11 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 21572 times:

HU is looking at starting PEK-BOM-NBO flights

http://www.caac.gov.cn/C1/201312/t20131202_59754.html

Google translate:

To promote the development of China-Africa relations, Hainan Airlines Company Limited hereby apply since August 2014, the opening of Beijing - Mumbai - Nairobi and from passenger routes, three classes a week, using the model B767.


User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2893 posts, RR: 18
Reply 70, posted (11 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 21448 times:

It seems Air India has issued a tender to fix the cannibalised 777 LR VT-ALH "Maharashtra"

Karan


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 71, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 21265 times:

Whats the update on Air Asia India and the Tata-SIA JV deals.


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User currently offlinegolfradio From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 811 posts, RR: 2
Reply 72, posted (11 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 21198 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 70):

Whoa... going by the last pictures I saw of that frame, it has to be a very expensive proposition, and why restore a frame that does not fit in the fleet strategy any way? Unless they think fixing it will be under the price that they sold the other frames to EY.


User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2893 posts, RR: 18
Reply 73, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 21057 times:

Quoting golfradio (Reply 72):
Whoa... going by the last pictures I saw of that frame, it has to be a very expensive proposition

You can see the true extent of the damage through this pdf by AI

http://mmd.airindia.co.in/aimmd/tend...%20Fan%20Cowl%20Damage%20Photo.pdf

Quoting golfradio (Reply 72):
why restore a frame that does not fit in the fleet strategy any way?

Agree, but one never knows whats AIs plans

The latest is the 787s maybe taken of most East Asia flights and Australia , due to the Cloud burst problem with the GE engines
So we may see some LRs back in action on these routes

......................................................................

Also do remember the 744s were due for retirement in 2009, so once these go the 77Ws will be pretty much utilised fully and that should enable some spare capacity use for a small sub fleet of LRs

Not to mention the much rumoured launch of a DEL-IAD service

Karan


User currently offlineDTW2HYD From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 2205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 74, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 20977 times:

Quoting golfradio (Reply 72):
why restore a frame that does not fit in the fleet strategy any way? Unless they think fixing it will be under the price that they sold the other frames to EY.

May be Iran is a potential buyer!!! EY may need two more to start third ULH route, third one is questionable, it has to use on a short/medium route or keep two spares. EY always has access to 24 9W WBs.


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Reply 75, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 20952 times:
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Quoting golfradio (Reply 72):
Unless they think fixing it will be under the price that they sold the other frames to EY.

I too am confused by this. From what I've seen, that airframe would cost more to repair than is worth it. I hope to be proven wrong.

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User currently offlinegolfradio From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 811 posts, RR: 2
Reply 76, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 20944 times:

Does any one have any idea if AI has any plans to come back to YYZ? I would love a YYZ - BOM direct service. I believe it should be doable yield wise with the 788. Even a direct YYZ - DEL would get AI my business.

User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2893 posts, RR: 18
Reply 77, posted (11 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 20996 times:

YYZ BOM will not happen,

The way AI 787 are configured it won't be able to do it feasibly

There is a proposal to start del LHR YYZ on the 77W


User currently offlineDTW2HYD From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 2205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 78, posted (11 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 20868 times:

Couple of interesting stories from India.

The Supreme Court today made it clear that it would quash the Jet-Etihad Airways deal if there are any irregularities in it.
http://www.business-standard.com/art...egularities-sc-113120600647_1.html

India DGCA chief Arun Mishra appointed ICAO Asia-Pacific Director
http://www.business-standard.com/art...cific-director-113120600802_1.html


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 79, posted (11 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 20665 times:

Whats the date for setting up CAA to replace DGCA.


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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13436 posts, RR: 100
Reply 80, posted (11 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 20447 times:
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Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 78):
The Supreme Court today made it clear that it would quash the Jet-Etihad Airways deal if there are any irregularities in it.

That would probably mean the end of 9W with their accelerating pace of losses:

lAll these resulted in record losses - of Rs 894 crore for Jet Airways and Rs 559 crore for SpiceJet – in the September quarter. To put this in perspective, the quarter’s losses exceed, by a wide margin, the airlines’ full year losses in FY13 and are between 60 and 90 per cent of the losses in FY12, which is considered to be the worst year so far for Indian aviation.


http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/...alling-code-red/article5433814.ece

EIther 9W is reformed by EY and rationalizes their international route network through AUH, or we watch another un-subsidized Indian airline fail.

Then again, for EY, considering the negative net worth of 9W, it might be better to undo the deal. However, it leaves a question of the bilateral rights that were tied in with the deal.



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User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2893 posts, RR: 18
Reply 81, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 20095 times:

Various separate sources said this to me , but still till they materialize take it as a rumor .

Jet will operate JFK ORD EWR via AUH from May Aug and Nov respectively

Aircrafts will leave Indian cities at 2130-2200 hrs and arrive at USA via AUH at 7am ish .

It wil be turnaround flights with a departure of 10am from USA and JFK, ORD will complement EYs existing flights

With an early evening arrival into Indian cities .

they will receive all their 777s from TK by 2015 and will use 9 actively with one operational spare.

Since the KU airways deal to purchase the 332s fell through , 9W is looking to use these on

BOM-CDG and BOM - PVG

333s would continuoe to do YYZ via BRU for the time being and maybe BOM/DEL-HKG when all 777s are utilized

let's see how things pan out

Karan


User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3269 posts, RR: 9
Reply 82, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 20032 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 81):
Jet will operate JFK ORD EWR via AUH from May Aug and Nov respectively

Cool - some signs of the Jetihad deal taking shape!



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User currently offlineVTORD From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 83, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 19980 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 81):
Aircrafts will leave Indian cities at 2130-2200 hrs

Any idea as to what the origin cities are? Or will this be under the umbrella of the 23 cities Jetihad said it intends to connect on India-AUH?



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User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2893 posts, RR: 18
Reply 84, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 19895 times:

Quoting VTORD (Reply 83):
Any idea as to what the origin cities are?

Most likely DEL BOM BLR

Karan


User currently offlinegolfradio From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 811 posts, RR: 2
Reply 85, posted (11 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 19898 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 81):
333s would continuoe to do YYZ via BRU

So is that the only route left via BRU? DEL - EWR via AUH is about 550 nm longer compared to BRU. That will add almost an hour and a half.


User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2893 posts, RR: 18
Reply 86, posted (11 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 19748 times:

Quoting golfradio (Reply 85):
DEL - EWR via AUH is about 550 nm longer compared to BRU. That will add almost an hour and a half.

Wont matter, the connection possibilities via AUH far outweigh the 1 hour additional time difference

Quoting golfradio (Reply 85):
So is that the only route left via BRU?

For the time being, Yes

BRU EWR will continuoe for S14 schedule as well

Karan


User currently offline747megatop From United States of America, joined May 2007, 716 posts, RR: 0
Reply 87, posted (11 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 19742 times:

Quoting lightsaber (Reply 80):
or we watch another un-subsidized Indian airline fail.

Has someone done an analysis on why airlines tend to fail in India? It is about time that someone does a detailed analysis if it hasn't been done already.


User currently offline747megatop From United States of America, joined May 2007, 716 posts, RR: 0
Reply 88, posted (11 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 19765 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 81):
Jet will operate JFK ORD EWR via AUH from May Aug and Nov respectively

On what basis is 9W choosing cities to operate in USA? Any chance of seeing 9W metal in let's say LAX & SFO?


User currently offlineTurkish777X From Germany, joined Aug 2013, 217 posts, RR: 0
Reply 89, posted (11 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 19787 times:

Hello,

Turkish media is reporting that Turkish Airlines signed a deal with Jet Airways on the lease of 3 A332s for 6 years.
Does anybody know which frames this could involve? How is the state of the 9W cabin in those birds?

Many thanks


User currently offlineVTORD From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 90, posted (11 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 19642 times:

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 88):

Sure would like to know.....Just wondering about their BOM-PVG-SFO flight that got discontinued, would it have worked better from BLR instead of BOM?



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User currently offline747megatop From United States of America, joined May 2007, 716 posts, RR: 0
Reply 91, posted (11 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 19515 times:

Quoting VTORD (Reply 90):
would it have worked better from BLR instead of BOM?

don't know and highly doubt it. If that were the case then UA should have jumped on the route and offered SFO-BLR non stop; after all SFO is a * A/UA hub. I am guess that either UA or AI are going to try that route very soon. Whether it will work and be sustainable is a whole different topic and discussion  .


User currently offlinesankaps From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 2255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 92, posted (11 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 19461 times:

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 87):
Has someone done an analysis on why airlines tend to fail in India?

There may be many contributing factors such as high taxes and ATF, high airport fees, etc, but the bottom line is lack of professional management and too much interference from promoter / owners.

Indigo is a shining exception to this. SpiceJet too was an exception, lost its way in recent years, but reports in India suggest it is again now under professional management and is starting to move in the right direction.


User currently offlinegr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3124 posts, RR: 4
Reply 93, posted (11 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 19458 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 81):
333s would continuoe to do YYZ via BRU for the time being

So the AMS hub is not going to happen?


User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2893 posts, RR: 18
Reply 94, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 19264 times:

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 88):
Any chance of seeing 9W metal in let's say LAX & SFO?

Not in the near future atleast, especially since EY has not even begun their LAX service, if they do well on that we might see a second flight

Quoting gr8circle (Reply 93):
So the AMS hub is not going to happen?

Not in 2014 atleast

Karan


User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2981 posts, RR: 25
Reply 95, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 19173 times:

EY will start Jaipur from 01APR

EY 208 AUH - JAI 2300 0345+1
EY 207 JAI - AUH 0445 0645

Aircraft: A320
It will take the flight count to 112 weekly flights to India.



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User currently offlineVimanav From India, joined Jul 2003, 1521 posts, RR: 14
Reply 96, posted (11 months 1 week 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 19080 times:

Ojas - when are u going to post something like this for EK and FZ???

Brgds

Vimanav



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User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2981 posts, RR: 25
Reply 97, posted (11 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 18958 times:

Quoting Vimanav (Reply 96):
Ojas - when are u going to post something like this for EK and FZ???

Brgds

Vimanav

I'm eagerly awaiting for such news for the past one year!!!



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User currently offline747megatop From United States of America, joined May 2007, 716 posts, RR: 0
Reply 98, posted (11 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 18744 times:

Folks, there is discussion on another thread about A 380 ops about to be allowed in India - A380 To Fly Into India (by KarelXWB Dec 18 2013 in Civil Aviation)

In relation to that i have a question; in BOM how easily can the A 380 be operated? Does the main runway and the adjoining taxiway have enough separation so that when an A 380 is using either one, traffic need not be stopped on the other? Is there enough space around the congested air field to allow A 380 ops without stopping other traffic?


User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2893 posts, RR: 18
Reply 99, posted (11 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 18650 times:

Quoting 747megatop (Reply 98):
In relation to that i have a question; in BOM how easily can the A 380 be operated? Does the main runway and the adjoining taxiway have enough separation so that when an A 380 is using either one, traffic need not be stopped on the other?

Not with the current terminal, however the new terminal which partially opens on 15th Jan, does have 380 gates and Code F taxiways leading to it, so it should ease things up

Karan


User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 388 posts, RR: 14
Reply 100, posted (11 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 18421 times:

Quoting VTORD (Reply 90):
Sure would like to know.....Just wondering about their BOM-PVG-SFO flight that got discontinued, would it have worked better from BLR instead of BOM?

Jet has always ignored Bangalore.

Considering the current President Hari Marar is ex-Jet and the ex-Head of Airline Marketing for the airport, Girish Nair, who has now moved as CCO of GoAir, could not convince their former employer to fly international out of Bangalore, gives pause for thought at the rather strange network planning, or lack thereof, at Jet.



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User currently offlinesturmovik From India, joined May 2007, 512 posts, RR: 0
Reply 101, posted (11 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 18362 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 79):

Whats the date for setting up CAA to replace DGCA.

I don't know the date, but it is not something I'm looking forward to. I suspect it'll be a case of old wine in a new bottle, with the same people and structure taking on a new name. If there's a plan to hire more technically competent people, I'm unaware of it.



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User currently offlinesturmovik From India, joined May 2007, 512 posts, RR: 0
Reply 102, posted (11 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 18613 times:

Btw, hearing reports on facebook that an SQ A380 and a 9W 737 made emergency landings in DEL in separate incidents. Anyone know what's going on?


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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 388 posts, RR: 14
Reply 103, posted (11 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 18545 times:

Quoting sturmovik (Reply 101):
I don't know the date, but it is not something I'm looking forward to. I suspect it'll be a case of old wine in a new bottle, with the same people and structure taking on a new name. If there's a plan to hire more technically competent people, I'm unaware of it.

The main reason for creating the CAA is to get it out from under the Ministry of Civil Aviation. As a government department / directorate the funding is dependent on the ministry, and salary structure must follow govt norms. The CAA will collect revenue direct from airlines/airports/passengers, and can hire the more expensive examiners directly.



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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 388 posts, RR: 14
Reply 104, posted (11 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 18575 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 81):
Jet will operate JFK ORD EWR via AUH from May Aug and Nov respectively

Karan, I understand AUH-JFK AUH-EWR. However, AUH-ORD is about the same distance as DEL-JFK and the Jet 77Ws are known to be extra heavy thanks to those famous First Suites. I remember that Jet could not fly DEL-JFK non-stop compared to AI's 77Ws.

Any comments on this aspect?



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User currently offlineRishul93 From India, joined Dec 2013, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 105, posted (11 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 18387 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 100):
Jet has always ignored Bangalore.

Considering the current President Hari Marar is ex-Jet and the ex-Head of Airline Marketing for the airport, Girish Nair, who has now moved as CCO of GoAir, could not convince their former employer to fly international out of Bangalore, gives pause for thought at the rather strange network planning, or lack thereof, at Jet.

Sir, its not about ignoring BLR, when Jet was actually pushing hard with International Expansion, Kingfisher was already sitting pretty with with a big chuck of preimum FFs in BLR, and even back then LH and BA had a strong hand in International ops in BLR, basic competition has to be assessed before dumping capacity, right?

Their BRU-BLR should never have started, it was simply a response to ITs LHR and planned SFO flight, smack in the middle of a growing slowdown in the industry.

With all this said, last widebody flight introduced by 9W was DEL-HKG in October 2009 after which the only flights that were added were 737 flights, most of whom were out of BOM/DEL.


User currently offlineRishul93 From India, joined Dec 2013, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 106, posted (11 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 18391 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 104):
Karan, I understand AUH-JFK AUH-EWR. However, AUH-ORD is about the same distance as DEL-JFK and the Jet 77Ws are known to be extra heavy thanks to those famous First Suites. I remember that Jet could not fly DEL-JFK non-stop compared to AI's 77Ws.

Any comments on this aspect?

Back when this discussion was done, 9W was planning BOM-JFK non-stop and it was said they cannot make that route work without taking a hit, i'm fairly certain, DEL-JFK or AUH-ORD for that matter can be done by the 77Ws that havn't been reconfigured in 3-4-3, 30+ extra seats will add around 3 tons of weight, which may create problems, but focus on the term 'MAY'.


User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2893 posts, RR: 18
Reply 107, posted (11 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 18136 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 104):
However, AUH-ORD is about the same distance as DEL-JFK and the Jet 77Ws are known to be extra heavy thanks to those famous First Suites. I remember that Jet could not fly DEL-JFK non-stop compared to AI's 77Ws.

Devesh, your right the aircrafts will take a slight hit owing to 9Ws rather heavy F class, but do realise they can distribute any revenue cargo between the EY flight and their own,

Meanwhile when they planned a BOM-JFK they did not have multiple flights to distribute the potential revenue cargo

Karan


User currently offlineRishul93 From India, joined Dec 2013, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 108, posted (11 months 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 17950 times:

http://thepeninsulaqatar.com/news/qa...o-more-flights-to-india-from-qatar

from this article

- 9W will go double daily on BOM-DOH and will start CCJ-DOH, once HIA opens. Presently they have 3 flights to DOH, from DEL,BOM and COK.
- Will go triple daily on DEL-KTM w.e.f 25th Jan 2014.

timings of the new flight are -

9W 260/259
DEL 0945 KTM 1130
KTM 1230 DEL 1410

[Edited 2013-12-26 04:41:43]

User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 109, posted (11 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 17762 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 103):
The CAA will collect revenue direct from airlines/airports/passengers, and can hire the more expensive examiners directly.

This will be a good option for those in the industry too, considering on par salary scales.



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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3269 posts, RR: 9
Reply 110, posted (10 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 17223 times:

Air India A320 Skids Off Runway And Damages Wing - Jaipur (by jayeshrulz Jan 6 2014 in Civil Aviation)

Some serious damage, we're just lucky that there were no fatalities involved... Hopefully we'll soon find out what the actual problem was.



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User currently offlinesturmovik From India, joined May 2007, 512 posts, RR: 0
Reply 111, posted (10 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 16948 times:

Tata-SIA to lease A320s, apparently.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/0...ta-exclusive-idUKBREA0804E20140109



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User currently offlineDTW2HYD From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 2205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 112, posted (10 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 16813 times:

Looks like Mumbai new terminal is ready. Are there any benefits for transit pax.

User currently offlinekingfisherfly From India, joined Mar 2010, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 113, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 16599 times:

Seems like the new terminal 2 of Mumbai airport has been inaugurated officially today after years of missing targets.

My last transit through BOM was a nightmare. Arriving at wee hours, I had to collect my bags, pass through security, re-check-in with airline and bused around the air field to the domestic was such a big pain. I thought myself that I will skip BOM at any cost.

But now after reading various articles about the new Terminal, I really wanted to transit here.
Designed by SOM, my expectations are sky high. Just wishing it really has some good runway views and relaxing places to unwind like Changi's terminal 3.

Any A.netters planned to go across as soon as it starts Operations ??  
Can't wait to see the interiors and much hyped art gallery.


User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2981 posts, RR: 25
Reply 114, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 16631 times:

Quoting Rishul93 (Reply 105):
With all this said, last widebody flight introduced by 9W was DEL-HKG in October 2009 after which the only flights that were added were 737 flights, most of whom were out of BOM/DEL.
9W Announces Schedule For BOM - JNB (by ojas Feb 15 2010 in Civil Aviation)

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...ral_aviation/print.main?id=4937872

JNB started in April 2010 and MXP in December 2010; both with A332s.



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User currently offlinegolfradio From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 811 posts, RR: 2
Reply 115, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 16518 times:

From the pictures on various media outlets, T2 looks impressvie. I liked the concept of the art walk and the murals seen in one of the photos is beautiful. I can't wait to use it. Apparently a couple of domestic airlines might shift to T2? Any ideas? AI for sure will be one.

The CSIA website does not have any updated information about International to Domestic transfers. Are passengers still going to have clear immigration and customs in BOM before transferring?


User currently offlineRishul93 From India, joined Dec 2013, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 116, posted (10 months 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 16532 times:

Quoting ojas (Reply 114):
9W Announces Schedule For BOM - JNB (by ojas Feb 15 2010 in Civil Aviation)

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo...ral_aviation/print.main?id=4937872

JNB started in April 2010 and MXP in December 2010; both with A332s.

how on gods green earth did I miss those!


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 117, posted (10 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 16086 times:

Quoting Nimish (Reply 110):
Hopefully we'll soon find out what the actual problem was.

Poor visability.More serious was when ATC was not responding to a call by the following Spice B737 landing on the same runway preoccupied by the damaged A320,The latter crew asked the spice crew not to land.

Quoting sturmovik (Reply 111):

Tata-SIA to lease A320s, apparently.

Heard A320/330/B777 fleet in long term.

Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 112):
Looks like Mumbai new terminal is ready.

Only one section...50% is still left.

Quoting golfradio (Reply 115):
From the pictures on various media outlets, T2 looks impressvie

Almost a 7 star hotel.



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User currently offlineRishul93 From India, joined Dec 2013, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 118, posted (10 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 15752 times:

WEF, 30th March 2014,
9W 12/11
BOM-SIN is downgauged to a 737 service.

Interesting-ly, both return flights from SIN are evening flighs, at 1905 and 2000 each.


User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2893 posts, RR: 18
Reply 119, posted (10 months 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 15530 times:

They better re time the flights makes no sense to park a 737 for 12 hours

Unless they plan to use them for a new BLR or ccu sin service

Karan


User currently offlineJOYA380B747 From India, joined Mar 2005, 553 posts, RR: 1
Reply 120, posted (10 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 15397 times:

Quoting Rishul93 (Reply 118):

WEF, 30th March 2014,
9W 12/11
BOM-SIN is downgauged to a 737 service.

Interesting-ly, both return flights from SIN are evening flighs, at 1905 and 2000 each.

I guess this may be to make way for the BOM-CDG service, for which they needed the widebodies.



If it wasn't for AI and those money mongers sitting in the parliament, 9W would have been as big as SQ...:(
User currently offlinegolfradio From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 811 posts, RR: 2
Reply 121, posted (9 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 15061 times:

Just a itch that I wanted to scratch and it's Friday, so what the heck...

As far as I know DGCA registrations are not alphanumeric and the pattern is VT-XXX. So if I haven't forgotten permutations and combinations lesson from high school, there are only 2600 registrations possible. If you go by DGCA's rule that a reqgistration cannot be recycled, then even less. I am not sure how many have already been assigned (past and present) but 2600 seems very few going forward, given the projections for the industry. I am wondering if anybody in DGCA has thought about changing the scheme.


User currently offline747megatop From United States of America, joined May 2007, 716 posts, RR: 0
Reply 122, posted (9 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 14992 times:

Quoting golfradio (Reply 121):
As far as I know DGCA registrations are not alphanumeric and the pattern is VT-XXX. So if I haven't forgotten permutations and combinations lesson from high school, there are only 2600 registrations possible. If you go by DGCA's rule that a reqgistration cannot be recycled, then even less. I am not sure how many have already been assigned (past and present) but 2600 seems very few going forward, given the projections for the industry. I am wondering if anybody in DGCA has thought about changing the scheme.

I have a simple proposal to fix that; change the registration scheme to something like VT14-XXX for example; the 14 signifying the year 2014. This would take care of the problem for the next 86 years...but what do we do in year 2100? If we want to take care of that too then VT2014-XXX (or VT2015-XXX and so on) should do it  .


User currently offlineojas From India, joined Mar 2008, 2981 posts, RR: 25
Reply 123, posted (9 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 14635 times:

BOM inaugurates its new terminal. While meant for AI, the inaugural landing was EK 506 DXB - BOM.

The inaugural departure was 9W 118 BOM - LHR.



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User currently offlinehimmat01 From India, joined Dec 2004, 1047 posts, RR: 6
Reply 124, posted (9 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 14560 times:

Quoting golfradio (Reply 121):
As far as I know DGCA registrations are not alphanumeric and the pattern is VT-XXX. So if I haven't forgotten permutations and combinations lesson from high school, there are only 2600 registrations possible. If you go by DGCA's rule that a reqgistration cannot be recycled, then even less. I am not sure how many have already been assigned (past and present) but 2600 seems very few going forward, given the projections for the industry. I am wondering if anybody in DGCA has thought about changing the scheme.

Old registrations can be recycled. If you look at the available registrations, you will observe that these have been used earlier and we all have flown in aircraft bearing these registrations.


http://dgca.nic.in/caris/av_marks.asp



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User currently offline388crazy From Australia, joined Mar 2013, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 125, posted (9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 14485 times:

I thought this should be mentioned here, Sorry if it is not relevant.

Air Costa has ordered 50 Embraer E2 Jets with another 50 options.

Link: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-0...2-jets-from-india-s-air-costa.html


User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 388 posts, RR: 14
Reply 126, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 14256 times:

Quoting 388crazy (Reply 125):
Air Costa has ordered 50 Embraer E2 Jets with another 50 options.

Will the airline be alive in 2018 to take delivery of this order? Where are they going to fund it from?



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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 388 posts, RR: 14
Reply 127, posted (9 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 14401 times:

Quoting himmat01 (Reply 124):
http://dgca.nic.in/caris/av_marks.asp
Quoting golfradio (Reply 121):
there are only 2600 registrations possible.

Actually total registrations marks possible will be 26x26x26 = 17576. At the end of the DGCA document Himmat posted "Total no of available marks = 13469"



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User currently offlinehawk21m From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 128, posted (9 months 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 14011 times:

Quoting 388crazy (Reply 125):

Air Costa has ordered 50 Embraer E2 Jets with another 50 options.

Where is the $$$ going to come from.....



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User currently offlineBOMRPR From India, joined Aug 2012, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 129, posted (9 months 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 13728 times:

Can anyone confirm if this flight actually took off today?

http://www.gulf-times.com/india/185/...ervices-to-be-launched-from-mumbai


User currently offlinegolfradio From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 811 posts, RR: 2
Reply 130, posted (9 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 13609 times:

Quoting himmat01 (Reply 124):
Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 127):

Oops ... I don't know how I bungled a simple P&C problem.   

I was looking at some AI 788 photos and noticed that the engine nacelles have a different logo which resembles a half wheel (chakra). I under the restriction of the colours that can be used on the 788 nacelle, but why add a one off logo? Also in the new merged livery, I don't see the centaur visible any where. Has AI dropped it out of the livery? I can't belive the iconic centaur is not part of the brand any more.


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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 388 posts, RR: 14
Reply 131, posted (9 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 13398 times:

Does anyone have more inside information on the United 777 that was grounded in Mumbai by the DGCA for a faulty engine cover or something like that?


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User currently offlinegr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3124 posts, RR: 4
Reply 132, posted (9 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 13383 times:

Quoting golfradio (Reply 130):
I was looking at some AI 788 photos and noticed that the engine nacelles have a different logo which resembles a half wheel (chakra). I under the restriction of the colours that can be used on the 788 nacelle, but why add a one off logo? Also in the new merged livery, I don't see the centaur visible any where. Has AI dropped it out of the livery? I can't belive the iconic centaur is not part of the brand any more.

I think AI publicly announced that the centaur would be dropped when the current livery was introduced.....


User currently offlinemk777 From United States of America, joined Oct 2006, 1195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 133, posted (9 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 13310 times:

1. it would be great if someone could compile a list of the routes served by AI's B788. I believe AI has 12 frames active or is it 13?
2. When does the new ATC at DEL open for business?

Thanks in advance.



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User currently offlinegolfradio From Canada, joined Jun 2009, 811 posts, RR: 2
Reply 134, posted (9 months 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 13187 times:

Quoting mk777 (Reply 133):

ATQ - DEL
BOM - DEL
CCU - DEL
DEL - BHX
DEL - BLR
DEL - CDG
DEL - DXB
DEL - FRA
DEL - HKG
DEL - LHR
DEL - SYD - MEL
DEL - PVG
DEL - NRT
HKG - KIX
HKG - ICN
MAA - DEL


User currently offlinekingfisherfly From India, joined Mar 2010, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 135, posted (9 months 4 hours ago) and read 12973 times:

Quoting golfradio (Reply 134):
MAA - DEL

DEL - MAA - DEL has been withdrawn from early february IIRC.

But the news here is, BA will start B787 between LHR to MAA daily from october 26 2014.

I'm personally happy that I have a chance to try BA's long haul product on that route.

Changing from B777-200ER to B787 is a massive 60 seat reduction per service which on the whole is 420 seats/week.

Is BA planning to use those seats on other routes possibly with a A380 to BLR to compete with LH 748 ?


User currently offlinehawk21m From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 136, posted (8 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 12652 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 131):

Does anyone have more inside information on the United 777 that was grounded in Mumbai by the DGCA for a faulty engine cover or something like that?

Rectified by a 8 man team and departed.......



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User currently offlineDTW2HYD From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 2205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 137, posted (8 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 12586 times:

Quoting hawk21m (Reply 136):
Rectified by a 8 man team and departed.......

Ferried to HKG on 3/28, still at HKG.


User currently offlinelaxdesi From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 138, posted (8 months 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 12540 times:

I was in MAA last week and boarded my flight back to LAX(via HKG) through the new international terminal. There is an elevated road that takes you to the new departure level(3rd floor?). I didn't see the large crowd of friends and family at the departure level which was typical when departure used to be at the 1st floor(ground floor in India).

Lines were fairly long for immigration even with all counters manned, but security lines were fine. I noticed only two gates that connect directly to an aircraft from this new departure level. Most passengers had to get down to second floor(old terminal) to board the flight. The carpets at the new terminal are already badly stained. It would have been better to keep the floor all stone.

All in all, an improvement over the previous set up. Will there be more direct gate boarding from this new level? I was too tired to explore the physical layout to get a better sense of future possibilities.


User currently offlinecolts001 From United States of America, joined Mar 2009, 94 posts, RR: 0
Reply 139, posted (8 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 12310 times:

Quoting kingfisherfly (Reply 135):
Changing from B777-200ER to B787 is a massive 60 seat reduction per service which on the whole is 420 seats/week.

BA is going to fly daily from the current 6 times a week so the net reduction will be 140 seats/week which is not much.


User currently offlinegr8circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3124 posts, RR: 4
Reply 140, posted (8 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 12247 times:

Quoting kingfisherfly (Reply 135):
But the news here is, BA will start B787 between LHR to MAA daily from october 26 2014.

I'm personally happy that I have a chance to try BA's long haul product on that route.

I recently flew on the BA 787 from YYZ-LHR (my first flight on a 787)......I loved the plane, but BA's seats are terrible......very uncomfortable flight indeed.....I connected to a BA 744 for the LHR- BOM flight and the difference was shockingly noticeable...


User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 388 posts, RR: 14
Reply 141, posted (8 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 12082 times:

Quoting gr8circle (Reply 140):
but BA's seats are terrible

With the exception of the two Japanese carriers all other airlines including BA, QR, AI, etc. have gone with the 9 abreast seating and this reduces seat width to 17.2~17.5 inches like the 10 abreast EK 777s.

http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Bri...s/British_Airways_Boeing_787-8.php



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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 388 posts, RR: 14
Reply 142, posted (8 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 11854 times:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55Nm19O1iW0

This is a video of the IndiGo fire at KTM.

I seek clarification from safety or flight ops personnel.

1.
If the fire is on the right main under-carriage, isn't the requirement to deploy slides on the LEFT of the aircraft? Here the left side is closed and right slide is used.

2.
Passengers are seen jumping out with all the handbags, and one can assume shoes. If I remember, safety protocols used to call for removal of shoes and not to carry hand baggage to prevent possible puncture and deflation of the slides. Can someone please confirm if this is indeed still the requirement?

Thanks in advance.



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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 388 posts, RR: 14
Reply 143, posted (8 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11479 times:

I wonder if anyone has read this interview of Tim Clark of EK on the Indian aviation scene. Some hard hitting statements. http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...-emirates/articleshow/31910765.cms


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User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1654 posts, RR: 1
Reply 144, posted (8 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 11351 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 143):
Some hard hitting statements.

Frustration is no longer hidden


User currently offlinesturmovik From India, joined May 2007, 512 posts, RR: 0
Reply 145, posted (8 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 11319 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 142):
If the fire is on the right main under-carriage, isn't the requirement to deploy slides on the LEFT of the aircraft? Here the left side is closed and right slide is used.

I would've thought the same. However, seeing the general chaos on the ramp with ground personnel crowding around the MLG on fire, I can imagine there being some confusion over what was reported to the captain, left or right.



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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3269 posts, RR: 9
Reply 146, posted (8 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 11015 times:

AI continues to amaze - it's busy cannibalizing one of the remaining 77Ls - seems like it's in a horrible state at the moment  .

http://www.bangaloreaviation.com/201...-maharashtra-shivajis-airport.html



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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 388 posts, RR: 14
Reply 147, posted (8 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 10999 times:

Quoting Nimish (Reply 146):
it's busy cannibalizing one of the remaining 77Ls

Not just "one of the" ...... AI is cannibalising its NEWEST 77L VT-ALH.

Even in regular industry, one does not cannibalise the newest machines for the upkeep of older machines. It is the other way around.

Any idea why is AI doing this?



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User currently offlineAirIndia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1654 posts, RR: 1
Reply 148, posted (8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10990 times:

So off the 8 LRs, 2 have already gone and 1 is cannibalised. Leaving 5. Off these 3 more go to EY. Any ideas which ones are going and what does AI intend to do with the remaining 2.













AI Reg Name Remark New Reg
VT-ALAAndhra PradeshTo EtihadA6-LRA
VT-ALCAssamTo EtihadA6-LRC
VT-ALBArunachal Pradesh
VT-ALDGujarat
VT-ALEHaryana
VT-ALFJharkhand
VT-ALGKerala
VT-ALHMaharashtraCannibalised


User currently offlinetheaviator380 From UK - England, joined Feb 2013, 415 posts, RR: 0
Reply 149, posted (8 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 10960 times:

Lol..Air Costa captain in that youtube clip looks like Amitabh Bacchan's body double !

User currently offlineRishul93 From India, joined Dec 2013, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 150, posted (8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10870 times:

9W will place their code on AF flights to the following destinations. MRS/LYS/NCE/BHX/MAN/BRU/HAM/BCN/DUB/TLS/PRG/NCL/MAD, from CDG, connecting both ways.

User currently offlineRishul93 From India, joined Dec 2013, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 151, posted (8 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 10865 times:

9W will place their code on AF flights to the following destinations. MRS/LYS/NCE/BHX/MAN/BRU/HAM/BCN/DUB/TLS/PRG/NCL/MAD, from CDG, connecting both ways.

User currently offlineDTW2HYD From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 2205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 152, posted (8 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 10997 times:

Would Air Costa benefit from AAI's new low cost airport policy and being HQed in VGA would it also benefit from special category status like no excise duty on new aircraft... Thanks.

User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 388 posts, RR: 14
Reply 153, posted (8 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 10912 times:

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 148):
So off the 8 LRs, 2 have already gone and 1 is cannibalised. Leaving 5. Off these 3 more go to EY. Any ideas which ones are going and what does AI intend to do with the remaining 2.

The answers are on Bangalore Aviation. VT-ALA through ALE. Look through the recent articles about delivery to Etihad. There are photos too of the LRs in the new EY livery. Unfortunately A.net rules prohibit me from posting the link. Sorry.



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User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 388 posts, RR: 14
Reply 154, posted (8 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10813 times:

Quoting AirIndia (Reply 148):
Off these 3 more go to EY.

VT-ALB is also delivered. So two more to go. ALD and ALE.



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User currently offlinehawk21m From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 155, posted (7 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 10536 times:

Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 152):
Would Air Costa benefit from AAI's new low cost airport policy and being HQed in VGA would it also benefit from special category status like no excise duty on new aircraft... Thanks.

What about maintenance....whose handling this.

Is it true that Quikjet is restarting with FedEx and B757s BLR based.

[Edited 2014-04-03 03:17:26]


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User currently offlineDTW2HYD From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 2205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 156, posted (7 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 10469 times:

Quoting hawk21m (Reply 155):
What about maintenance....whose handling this.

May be Air Works for now, assuming they have some experience on Embraer Business Jets. They will have their own MRO at VGA by next year. P&W announced engine training center at HYD. If IAF/DRDO's ERJ 145 based AEW&CS is successful India may see more E-Jets.

I think Air Costa has every opportunity to succeed. With

- Low cost airport policy (reduced taxes on ATF and low landing fees)
- New state (there are estimates up to 30% of HYD traffic may get routed from VGA/VTZ to BLR and MAA)
- Special category state for 5 years(Excise duty and tax exemptions on new investments like Aircraft and MRO start up)
- Tax incentives for 10 years.

Or it could be just another Paramount.


User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 388 posts, RR: 14
Reply 157, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 10220 times:

Friends a quick question. How to we keep this "Indian Aviation" thread alive, if we are not posting? Any thoughts and suggestions?


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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13436 posts, RR: 100
Reply 158, posted (7 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10199 times:
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Quoting Rishul93 (Reply 150):
9W will place their code on AF flights to the following destinations.

That is an interesting development. Any KL code sharing? EY was rumored to be leaning towards Skyteam... this is in line...

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User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4903 posts, RR: 16
Reply 159, posted (7 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 9914 times:

Some friends of mine are planning an EWR-MAS-CCU-DEL-BOM-EWR trip, and I wonder if the 30-day unlimited India passes are still around or have they evolved into some new form? Any insights appreciated!

User currently offlineBLRAviation From India, joined Feb 2009, 388 posts, RR: 14
Reply 160, posted (7 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9664 times:

Quoting comorin (Reply 159):
wonder if the 30-day unlimited India passes are still around or have they evolved into some new form? Any insights appreciated!

Jet used to have a four coupon deal for a fixed price, but I do not think it is around any more. Considering you are planning just metro travel MAA-CCU-DEL-BOM, you could look at the local carriers.



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User currently offlinecomorin From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4903 posts, RR: 16
Reply 161, posted (7 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 9648 times:

Quoting BLRAviation (Reply 160):

Thank you kindly for your post, I will pass that along. (thumbsup}

btw, hope you are enjoying the wonderful hassle-free ride to KIA now that the AIrport Expressway is open!

Cheers.


User currently offlineDTW2HYD From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 2205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 162, posted (7 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 9536 times:

Will there be any policy changes in Indian Aviation with new government?

Will they promote hubs (vs) current policy of curtailing hub growth? In one of the interviews Subramanya swamy raised this issue. Why did government ask private operators to build Delhi T3 and Mumbai T2, when there is need for a major hub in India.

What will the impact on Air Asia(India) and Tata SIA ventures? Will they survive?

What will be the impact on bilateral agreements? Particularly BJP being against allotting any rights to ME carriers.

What happens to unused bilateral capacity?

Also, entire Air Asia(India) deal was dependent on Malaysia's ability to oversee Air Asia's operations, like MRO and certification. With MH370 should India rethink its position as Malaysia didn't prove its ability.


User currently offlineVTORD From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 163, posted (7 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 9461 times:

Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 162):

I wouldn't hold my breath on new government's ability or inclination. The BJP-NDA alliance has 3 former MoCA appointees with not a particularly stellar record - Rajiv Pratap Rudy, Shahanawaz Hussain and Ananth Kumar (who I believe was the MoCA when Tatas made their bid in 2000 with SIA before abruptly withdrawing).

BLRAviation, what's the mood in Bangalore South, Ananth Kumar or Nandan Nilekani?

To promote hub growth won't the GoI have to make major policy changes such as the transit visa?



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User currently offlinefreqflyer From India, joined Apr 2006, 105 posts, RR: 0
Reply 164, posted (7 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 9424 times:

Quoting VTORD (Reply 163):
I wouldn't hold my breath on new government's ability or inclination. The BJP-NDA alliance has 3 former MoCA appointees with not a particularly stellar record - Rajiv Pratap Rudy, Shahanawaz Hussain and Ananth Kumar (who I believe was the MoCA when Tatas made their bid in 2000 with SIA before abruptly withdrawing).

On the other hand, Ratan Tatas equations with Modi are exceptional (if Modi does indeed become PM) . And Modi is said to cut through red tape as a matter of habit.


User currently offlinehawk21m From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 165, posted (7 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 9331 times:

Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 162):

Will there be any policy changes in Indian Aviation with new government?

Depends on the Govt......UPA/NDA.

Quoting DTW2HYD (Reply 162):
What will the impact on Air Asia(India) and Tata SIA ventures? Will they survive?

I feel the NDA will be more proactive......TATA and Modi should do well...


Any news on the SIA A380 first flight at BOM...whats the STA.....cant miss the water cannon salute.....



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User currently offlineDTW2HYD From United States of America, joined Jan 2013, 2205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 166, posted (7 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 9312 times:

Quoting VTORD (Reply 163):
To promote hub growth won't the GoI have to make major policy changes such as the transit visa?

Can't they manage with sterile international transit area. Also there were news of visa-on-arrival for entire world (except 8 countries).


User currently offlinehawk21m From India, joined Jan 2001, 31702 posts, RR: 56
Reply 167, posted (7 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 9105 times:

9W starting to cut down on staff......


Whats the STA of SIA A380 BOM 1st flight.



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