apfpilot From United States of America, joined Jun 2013, 191 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (1 month 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 7838 times:
I'm sure there have been, although it has been found that in order for the most severe reactions to occur there has to be some consumption of the peanut or peanut residue either orally, or through inhalation or through the eyes. Just touching will usually result in at most a rash.
questions From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 547 posts, RR: 1 Reply 2, posted (1 month 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 7430 times:
There have been reports on other forums that airlines that serve nuts have been asked by passengers with severe allergies not to serve them. In some instances the rows immediately around the passenger are not served; in other instances all passengers are not served.
Do passengers with severe allergies fear a reaction due to inhalation from recycled air in the cabin?
The cabin air is filtered and in theory all of the peanut dust should be filtered out, though I'm not sure how often the filters are changed. I know offhand that my airplane has two HEPA filters, for whatever that's worth. Maybe a mechanic could shed some additional light?
MCO2BRS From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2007, 529 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (1 month 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7324 times:
I have seen people go into anaphylactic shock a couple of times, in the air and on the ground, none due to a nut allergy though. For my employer its policy to remove any products from the bar that contain nuts (to prevent them accidentally being distributed), and to make a PA requesting pax check the ingredients of any food items brought on board, before they open it, and to refrain from opening the item.
On the flip side I've had pax tell me on more than one occasion that they have a "severe nut allergy", my first response is "do you have medication on hand?" and they then informed me that they checked it in to the hold. Draw your own conclusions from that little gem.
SonomaFlyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2010, 1435 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (1 month 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7252 times:
Peanut allergies are brutal, unfortunately I have that allergy.
I (and folks like me) just make damn sure there are no peanuts in any of that mix stuff. I normally just take a pass rather than chance it. Anyone with this allergy would be a fool to take a chance on having a reaction at 35,000 feet.
How badly someone reacts to the inhalation of anything peanut related that becomes airborne varies wildly. I used to have a brutal reaction to inhaling the vapor/aerosols from someone who just ate some or the smell wafting off the peanut. I don't know. That is normally limited to kids from what I've seen.
I doubt there've been studies of this type. I think it more likely these days that folks will have some kind of reaction to strong perfumes that folks sometimes wear.
ikramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21310 posts, RR: 60 Reply 7, posted (1 month 2 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7228 times:
Quoting questions (Thread starter): Have there been any credible, reported incidents of passengers on onboard an aircraft having a severe allergic reaction to the nuts being served by the airline or nuts being eaten by passengers?
By eating nuts? Who knows.
By inhaling the mythical "nut dust"? No. Not on aircraft. Not anywhere ever. It's an urban myth that has become hysterical fact. Opening a bag of nuts, or ten bags of nuts, or 100 does not release deadly clouds of nut dust into the air.
There have never been any reported cases of "nut dust shock" in a public place.
There have been cases of seafood and nut residue "kiss of death" transfers from one person to another.
So if you have an allergy, don't kiss strangers on the airplane and you should be fine.
abrown532 From UK - Northern Ireland, joined Feb 2008, 144 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (1 month 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 6132 times:
Well any time I inform a crew of a passenger with a nut allergy they will usually prohibit the sale/distribution of nuts on that particular flight just in case. Having a nut allergy myself I find this very comforting however the american airlines may be different...
flylonghaul From Australia, joined Feb 2010, 116 posts, RR: 0 Reply 9, posted (1 month 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5792 times:
I have not heard of anaphylactic shock before on an aircraft. But my partner has certainly had bad reactions to peanut dust while flying. Most recently in June on BA15 LHR-SIN. A gent across the aisle from us and one row back had a very large bag of peanuts. This would never have caused life threatening issues, but even that small amount was enough to cause quite substantial discomfort.
We take every precaution when traveling. We fly once or twice a year to Sweden from Sydney and only travel QF or BA as they have a no peanut policy. But obviously people will still sometimes bring them on board to snack on.
georgiaame From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 897 posts, RR: 6 Reply 11, posted (1 month 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5105 times:
In the medical profession, we use the abbreviation "CYA" to explain this phenomenon. Translation for the airlines: Cover Your A-Tush. It's total BS. The son of one of my colleagues has a documented cashew allergy, beyond severe. Ingesting 1 nut, if it could even get past his throat will indeed kill him. He is one in a million, he has his epi-pen, and it has not stopped him from flying. The peanut issue, generally speaking, is bogus. But in litigious America, where the fastest way to wealth is a law suit, the poor flight attendants who are caught in the middle of the nonsense, must restrict the use of peanuts, to the best of their ability. Mean cur that I am,( I fly with my own, and cashews) I did not stop nibbling my private stock when we were told no peanuts for our row because someone 3 rows back on the other side was supposedly allergic. Somehow, it was a totally uneventful flight. No onboard deaths or anaphylactic reactions. Sorry Delta, I confess...
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longhauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4542 posts, RR: 36 Reply 12, posted (1 month 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5085 times:
Quoting trav110 (Reply 11): Does anyone know if the aircrafts first aid kit includes an epi-pen?
At AC, the first aid kits do not. However, the on-board medical kit does, but one must be a health care professional to open the kit and use the contents. (The Captain and Service Director each carry a key to open it).
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aajfksjubklyn From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 872 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (1 month 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 4965 times:
I was on an EGE-JFK flight last winter, and a passenger, who was the father of a teenager who had a peanut allergy asked everyone not to eat the nuts when they were passed out. The flight attendant reassured the father that there were no peanuts in the nuts being passed out. None the less, the father, becoming more and more obnoxious proceeded to ask every first class passenger not to eat the nuts. He finally got to me, and I said I have a bag of trail mix, and it does have peanuts. I was eating it before he came on board. I said I would close the bag and not eat it.
I did eventually get hungry after my nap, and opened the bag, honestly forgetting the ordeal at EGE, and continued to eat the trail mix. Nothing ever happened. Nor did I want it to. I thought the father was completely out of bounds asking passengers who pay for a flight to restrain from eating what the airlines provides, and legally spells out in their magazines, on their websites etc.
fn1001 From Moldova, joined Sep 2008, 227 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (1 month 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 4522 times:
Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 7): I used to have a brutal reaction to inhaling the vapor/aerosols from someone who just ate some or the smell wafting off the peanut.
Quoting ikramerica (Reply 8): By inhaling the mythical "nut dust"? No. Not on aircraft. Not anywhere ever. It's an urban myth that has become hysterical fact. Opening a bag of nuts, or ten bags of nuts, or 100 does not release deadly clouds of nut dust into the air.
Wow, two completely different statements regarding the "vapour", "aerosols", "small" or "dust". Whom should I believe?
yodobashi From UK - Scotland, joined Sep 2007, 223 posts, RR: 4 Reply 15, posted (1 month 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 4025 times:
I flew from LHR to IST earlier this year on their A340; before we'd even pushed back, they made an announcement that, due to a passenger on board with a nut allergy, they would not be serving the normal nut based snacks with the pre-dinner drinks.
I can manage a G&T without nuts, I know very little about what brings on anaphylactic shock, and I have sympathy for anyone who suffers it. Nonetheless, I thinks it's a little selfish expecting a whole plane load of passengers to forego their snacks for the sake of one passenger who could probably just pop on a paper mask? (a common sight in the streets of Japan!) ....
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Psychosomatic reaction at minimum (he knew the nuts were there) or at most a simple allergic response no different than my response to perfumes or my cousins to cats. Take an anti histamine before the flight rather than impacting everyone.
readytotaxi From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2006, 2874 posts, RR: 3 Reply 17, posted (1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3607 times:
Had an experience with this some years back.
Flying CO from EWR-MCO. I was sat in 1B and the lady in back of the aircraft informed the crew before push back that she had this condition. Crew informed Captain who got onto HQ and was then informed on company policy regarding the matter. I was able to hear most of the to and frow as the cockpit door was open the whole time on this 737.
The lady had not registered any problem with the airline before booking, she was offered to disembark but declined.
Flight delayed at the gate about 45 minutes. The trip passed without incident. Her fear appears to be sparked by walking past First to her seat and seeing the nuts I guess.
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jetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2437 posts, RR: 4 Reply 18, posted (1 month 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3533 times:
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Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 7): I (and folks like me) just make damn sure there are no peanuts in any of that mix stuff. I normally just take a pass rather than chance it. Anyone with this allergy would be a fool to take a chance on having a reaction at 35,000 feet.
I absolutely agree. I wish the snack boxes were a little more flexible for us with allergies.
Quoting SonomaFlyer (Reply 7): I used to have a brutal reaction to inhaling the vapor/aerosols from someone who just ate some or the smell wafting off the peanut. I don't know. That is normally limited to kids from what I've seen.
I get a headache whenever I smell any kinds of nuts. Maybe it's a mental thing, but I can certainly say it is a strong discomfort.
Quoting ikramerica (Reply 8): Airlines who don't serve peanuts within a radius of a passenger should be taken to task. It's pointless.
Why? I paid for the seat just as you. If I have a severe allergy I should be able to be accommodated just as you would for a broken leg.
Quoting georgiaame (Reply 12): I did not stop nibbling my private stock when we were told no peanuts for our row because someone 3 rows back on the other side was supposedly allergic. Somehow, it was a totally uneventful flight. No onboard deaths or anaphylactic reactions. Sorry Delta, I confess...
Not a very nice gesture. You try reading the ingredients on every package just to make sure you won't go into shock from eating it. You don't know how severe someone's allergy is, why not be a kind person and respect the fact that they may get sick?
Quoting ikramerica (Reply 17): Take an anti histamine before the flight rather than impacting everyone.
Yeah let me go take a Benadryl and turn into a zombie so you can eat the 6 peanuts you get in your little package. Airlines rarely don't allow peanuts to be consumed on a flight. Is it really that hard to eat a cookie or pretzels rather than a tiny pack of peanuts?
I have a severe nut allergy but I have never asked an airline to not serve peanuts. It isn't worth it for the airline to go through and ensure the plane is safe. But with that being said I think it is wise for airlines to air on the side of caution. Some people have some really severe allergies and it can end up being fatal. We make sure people with disabilities are safe and comfortable on airplanes, why can't we make sure those of us with an allergy aren't comfortable as well?
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flightsimboy From Canada, joined Sep 2005, 1060 posts, RR: 4 Reply 19, posted (1 month 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3057 times:
I suffer from chemical allergies, where cigarette smoke, strong perfumes, trigger a sore throat in seconds...and if the perfume odors are particularly strong, then it can lead to a severe headache as well. Once had two women sit in front of me with the strongest perfume, had to literally turn the air vent overhead at full blast for the whole flight to lessen the smell, or if that was unavailable would have needed to change seats...and this was on a 14 hour long haul Dubai to New York!
If one suffers from peanut allergies, you should carry whatever medication needed and take every precaution. Not sure if getting the entire aircraft to forgo their peanuts just because you have a condition is a bit selfish, and if you do happen to ingest some accidentally then you'd better have your epi-pin within reach. I have my allergies, but to ask a whole plane load to not spray any perfume because I am on board is ridiculous. Fortunately no cigarette smoke is evident these days so that is one less issue to have to deal with.
Yeah let me go take a Benadryl and turn into a zombie so you can eat the 6 peanuts you get in your little package.
And there it is. The world must change so you aren't inconvenienced. No responsibility on your part to take precautionary measures. The world must change for you.
Ultimately if I could demand every woman who bathes in perfume or coats themselves in hand lotion be deplaned I guess in your world that's fair? I instead take allergy medicine and get on with my life...
Of all the things to worry about... the Wookie has no pants.
Even if somebody did have a serious reaction to "nut dust", then as I've said before (unpopular I know!), perhaps they shouldn't be flying. Stopping folks eating peanuts on the aircraft are probably the least of your worries, unless you traveled from your home to the gate in a bubble.
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jetblueguy22 From United States of America, joined Nov 2007, 2437 posts, RR: 4 Reply 23, posted (1 month 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2976 times:
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Quoting ikramerica (Reply 20): And there it is. The world must change so you aren't inconvenienced. No responsibility on your part to take precautionary measures. The world must change for you.
Oh please. If you had actually read my post you would see I have NEVER asked an airline to not serve peanuts. I'm not asking the world to change for me. But if someone has an even more severe reaction to nuts than I do I would hope that people would be mature enough to not throw a hissy fit over a handful of peanuts. It's basic human decency.
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type-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4716 posts, RR: 20 Reply 24, posted (1 month 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2803 times:
Quoting bond007 (Reply 21): Even if somebody did have a serious reaction to "nut dust", then as I've said before (unpopular I know!), perhaps they shouldn't be flying.
Good idea. They should travel within an environment they can completely control, such as their own automobile.
Even though a few people here have said they have a nut allergy I believe it to be quite rare. Some of these people who make demands on aircraft may not have an allergy at all but are using this as an attention getting device.
How come when I was growing up in the 50's we never ever heard of people with nut allergies? How come you don't see signs in restaurants stating that they are nut free? Some food recipes do contain nuts. Is this something new? Someone please enlighten me.
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25 DocLightning: Extensive studies, actually. Not a single case of verified severe allergic reaction due to "nut dust" has ever been documented. A very high percentag
26 lewis: Usually the people that throw the hissy fit are the ones with the allergy. I don't see why it is so bad to take your antihistamines even if you end u
27 bond007: Yep! Also, I understand that keeping "nut free zones", like schools etc. is actually counter-productive to some point. It is actually more likely to
28 aklrno: I once witnessed an interesting meltdown on a WN flight. As I settled into my window seat, the woman in the aisle seat went ballistic when another pas
29 type-rated: Some people just want special treatment. I worked with a guy once who claimed that he was deaf in his left ear. Whenever anyone spoke to him he would
30 frmrcapcadet: Grandkid had the peanut allergy. Family was told that there were more incidents in households that removed all peanuts, than those who were just cauti
31 zippyjet: How come all of a sudden over the past 10 years has this been an issue? Have there been people allergic to peanuts back in the day and did they take
32 bond007: 'Professor Nicolas Christakis, a professor of medical sociology at Harvard Medical School, told the BMJ there was "a gross over-reaction to the magnit
33 type-rated: I seem to remember when this nut allergy thing came out the people who had it were clamoring the airlines to provide not only a nut free flight, but a
34 flylonghaul: Read my post again. I'm unsure how we impacted everyone. We had no impact on anyone at all. We did not request the gent to stop eating, we didn't spe
35 Kuja: It is an allergy sufferer's responsibility to take care of themselves by doing their research beforehand, letting the airline know as far in advance a
36 CO953: I was on a SWA flight last month where they made the pre-flight announcement that no nuts would be served due to an allergy. SoI wanted to comment, bu
37 ChinaClipper40: I should like to make a few points: 1) Nut and peanut allergies are real. They are not psychosomatic, nor due to mass hysteria. Blood serum anti-peanu
38 EA CO AS: Back in the day when I was a Lead Res Agent, I had a customer request to speak with me because his daughter had a "severe nut allergy" and would be f
39 questions: Meaning what? Not serve any kind of nuts at all in any form? Not have a nut service when notified by a passenger of an allergy? Carry epi-pens onboar
40 AyostoLeon: The "Journal of Allergy and Clinical Immunology: In Practice" has published an interesting report on research into risk-mitigation and allergic reacti
41 ChinaClipper40: As a medical school professor with more than 45 years of experience, I feel that every passenger airliner should carry epi-pens onboard and that flig
42 ASFlyer: The airline I work for doesn't make any type of special accommodation for nut allergies. We don't make announcements asking people to refrain from eat
43 ChinaClipper40: Risk “mitigation” does not mean risk “elimination.” We all drive our automobiles while wearing seat belts, because extensive data suggest tha
44 ASFlyer: Not Callous, maybe just dealing with reality rather than possibility. I work for a U.S. based carrier. You know, in the United States. The same place
45 reality: Makes sense. A good policy for many reasons.