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787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 22  
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12211 posts, RR: 18
Posted (1 year 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 45567 times:
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Link to previous thread 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 21 (by SA7700 Sep 29 2013 in Civil Aviation)

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User currently offlineWarpSpeed From United States of America, joined Feb 2010, 594 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (1 year 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 45596 times:

Thank you United787!

Quoting United787 (Reply 260):
As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here.

DELIVERED TO DATE: 95 Aircraft to 16 Airlines

DELIVERIES PRIOR TO OCTOBER
NH-23; JL-11; AI-8; QR-8; UA–7; ET-5; LO-5; BY-4; LA-4; BA-4; CZ-3; HU-3; DY-2; AM-1; JQ-1

OCTOBER DELIVERIES TO DATE
L/N 100 - B-2736 – 10/1/2013 – CZ #4
L/N 128 – V8-DLA - 10/1/2013 – BI #1
L/N 91 - VT-ANO – 10/3/2013 - AI #9
L/N 113 - CC-BBE - 10/9/2013 - LA #5 (FLY LEASING LIMITED)
L/N 43 - B-2727 – 10/9/2013 - CZ #5
L/N 109 - A7-BCF – 10/11/2013 - QR #9

AIRCRAFT THAT HAVE COMPLETED MAJOR ASSEMBLY & CHANGE INCORPORATION*
L/N 122 – N964AM - 10/xx/2013 - AM #2 (ILFC)
L/N 124 - N27908 - 10/xx/2013 - UA #8
L/N 20 – JA821J – 10/xx/2013 - JL #12
L/N 130 – V8-DLB - 10/xx/2013 – BI #2
L/N 127 – N965AM - 10/xx/2013 - AM #3 (ILFC)
L/N 125 – JA833J - 10/xx/2013 - JL #13
L/N 85 - B–2730 - 10/xx/2013 - HU #4
L/N 104 - B-2737 – xx/xx/2013 – CZ #6 or 7
L/N 36 - B-2726 – xx/xx/2013 – CZ #6 or 7
L/N 32 - VT-ANG – xx/xx/2013 - AI #10
L/N 134 – VH-VKB – xx/xx/2013 – JQ #2 Awaiting first flight
L/N 136 - EI-LNC - 11/xx/2013 - DY #3 Awaiting first flight
L/N 132 - JA824A - 11/xx/2013 - NH #24 Awaiting first flight
L/N 129 - A7-BCH – 11/xx/2013 - QR #10 Awaiting first flight
L/N 30 - VT-ANE – x/xx/2013 - AI #11 Awaiting first flight
L/N 79 - B-27?? – x/xx/2014 - HU #5 Awaiting first flight (Storage)
L/N 119 - B-2738 – x/xx/2014 – CZ #8 Awaiting first flight
L/N 131 - B-2731 – x/xx/2014 - HU #6 Awaiting first flight

*Not including the delivered aircraft and test aircraft (ZA001-006 & ZB001-002)



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User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1827 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (1 year 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 45564 times:

I noticed at allthings787 that one test airframe is at the EMC? Finally done?

User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12084 posts, RR: 34
Reply 3, posted (1 year 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 45523 times:

As reported in the previous thread, the flight test equipment of ZA005 has been removed and the bird was towed to the EMC. I'm not sure if change incorporation inside the building itself will start immediately though, one would think the ones in storage will come first.

Here's a picture of ZA005 being towed to the EMC:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BW4DovlCIAAGP1c.jpg:large

http://twitter.com/pdxlight/status/391254216271863809/photo/1

[Edited 2013-10-18 10:35:33]


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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3449 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (1 year 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 45316 times:

KarelXWB from thread:

Quote:
The engine maker will have to ramp up production first. ANA's first 787s were delivered with Package A despite Package B was certified.

I was under the assumption that only four ANA 787s were delivered with Package A and B was certified in December 2011 and the first package B 787 was delivered in January (5th ANA delivered January 14?).

tortugamon


User currently offlinestarrion From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1126 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (1 year 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 45305 times:

Ln5 will probably be at EMC for a very long time. Ln6 has been at San antonio for as long as I can remember. Does anyone know where they are with it?


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User currently offlineKELPkid From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 6407 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (1 year 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 45275 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 3):

As reported in the previous thread, the flight test equipment of ZA005 has been removed and the bird was towed to the EMC. I'm not sure if change incorporation inside the building itself will start immediately though, one would think the ones in storage will come first.

Wonder if it is destined to fly for a customer (VIP?) or if it will remain a Boeing flight test article...as I recall, Boeing once stated that they ate the cost of LN1-LN6 because they were too heavy and required too much modification to be sold to (airline) customers.



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5790 posts, RR: 47
Reply 7, posted (1 year 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 45246 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 6):
Wonder if it is destined to fly for a customer (VIP?) or if it will remain a Boeing flight test article...as I recall, Boeing once stated that they ate the cost of LN1-LN6 because they were too heavy and required too much modification to be sold to (airline) customers.

Nope that's only for LN 1 - LN 3. LN 4 - LN 6 and economically viable to be sold and I believe that this is still their intention.



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5790 posts, RR: 47
Reply 8, posted (1 year 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 45194 times:

Looks like LN 85 is going up for the first time in over 3.5 months. Looks like they're making a push to deliver it this month.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE434



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12084 posts, RR: 34
Reply 9, posted (1 year 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 45161 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 6):
Wonder if it is destined to fly for a customer (VIP?) or if it will remain a Boeing flight test article...as I recall, Boeing once stated that they ate the cost of LN1-LN6 because they were too heavy and required too much modification to be sold to (airline) customers.

I expect LN4-6 to end up as VIP airplane. I don't think any airline wants them in the fleet because future maintenance will differ too much from the production units.

LN1-3 are special and very expensive to modify. Give them a honorable place in the museum   



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User currently onlineseabosdca From United States of America, joined Sep 2007, 5591 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (1 year 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 45151 times:

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 6):
as I recall, Boeing once stated that they ate the cost of LN1-LN6 because they were too heavy and required too much modification to be sold to (airline) customers.

Boeing moved LN1 through LN3 from inventory into R&D, effectively writing off the cost.

Boeing indicated that it would sell LN4 through LN6 to VIP customers after change incorporation. A long time ago, they indicated that change incorporation on LN6 would be complete in mid-2013. They currently have 3 BBJ orders on the books, plus some number of VIP orders which have been placed through leasing companies (the first two of these, LN141 and LN143, are now under construction). I don't know whether LN4 through LN6 are all accounted for in these orders.

[Edited 2013-10-18 11:53:38]

User currently offlinen471wn From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1561 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (1 year 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 45035 times:
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Quoting seabosdca (Reply 10):
Boeing indicated that it would sell LN4 through LN6 to VIP customers after change incorporation. A long time ago, they indicated that change incorporation on LN6 would be complete in mid-2013. They currently have 3 BBJ orders on the books, plus some number of VIP orders which have been placed through leasing companies (the first two of these, LN141 and LN143, are now under construction). I don't know whether LN4 through LN6 are all accounted for in these orders.

Let us hope Line 4-6 find homes---it would be a tragedy to waste 6 frames---what a contrast to the 777 program where the prototype is still flying for Cathay Pacific!!


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12084 posts, RR: 34
Reply 12, posted (1 year 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 44950 times:

Quoting n471wn (Reply 11):
Let us hope Line 4-6 find homes---it would be a tragedy to waste 6 frames---what a contrast to the 777 program where the prototype is still flying for Cathay Pacific!!

Boeing would not rework them without having a customer for each.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12084 posts, RR: 34
Reply 13, posted (1 year 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 44894 times:

ZA005 now at the EMC:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BW4mzKbCMAAG3Ew.jpg:large

http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/391294791184424960

[Edited 2013-10-18 13:12:43]


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User currently offlinesweair From Sweden, joined Nov 2011, 1827 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (1 year 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 44877 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 13):

This bird has the best GEnx engines available, PIP2s.


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3449 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (1 year 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 44823 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 13):
ZA005 now at the EMC:

I believe ZB021 already has engines attached so it will be interesting to know what happens to these GEnx PIP 2 on ZA005. There is not another GE powered 787-9 on the immediate horizon so they could be sitting for a while. Again, I would think they would have made a call to KQ (LN 157) or some other coming new customer (AC may have too many too soon) to see if they wanted to upgrade.

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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12084 posts, RR: 34
Reply 16, posted (1 year 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 44629 times:

From the previous thread:

Quote:
My understanding is that in May they were producing aircraft at 7/month with Charleston running at less than 2/month meaning that Everett was at more than 5/month. I don't believe that we know if all of the growth to 10/month will come from Charleston but I imagine that is not the case. I suspect the rate will be closer to 7/3 split between Everett/Charleston as it was speculated over a year ago
Quote:
However Charleston won't reach 3/month this year by their own admission (article here), so Everett will have to increase to at least a little beyond 7/month.

The production rate hit 7 per month in May but was reduced to 5 again when the first 787-9 entered final assembly. This allowed Boeing to clear its big inventory (due to the grounding), but they now have 2.5 months left to increase that figure to 10. Looking at nyc777's table, Boeing will load 6 frames in the assembly bays this month: 4 in Everett and 2 in Charleston. Given the lead time of 4-5 weeks, we should see them rolling out at 6 per month from next month.



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User currently offlineAeroplaneFreak From Australia, joined Sep 2006, 541 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (1 year 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 43428 times:

Any word on who will get the 100th delivered 787?

User currently offlinehkcanadaexpat From Hong Kong, joined Dec 2012, 639 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (1 year 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 43016 times:

Quoting AeroplaneFreak (Reply 17):
Any word on who will get the 100th delivered 787?

No word from Boeing yet on identity or timing. It will be one of the following: Air India (VT-ANG), Royal Brunei (V8-DLB), ILFC/Aeromexico (N964AM & N965AM), JAL (JA-821J), China Southern (B-2726 & B-2737), Hainan Air (B-2730) or United (N27908). Perhaps #100 as a thank you to ILFC for being the largest customer of 787s or to JAL as a gesture of goodwill following the 350 purchase... In reality i'm sure there is no plan in place, it will simply to go whomever is ready to receive their frame at that specific time.
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User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3449 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (1 year 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 42968 times:

When you have an order book of 1,000 aircraft I am not sure 100 is a big milestone. Deinitely news release worthy but i a, not picturing any ceremony. I think production at 10/month is bigger. At that rate they will hit 200 deliveries by this time next year  

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Reply 20, posted (1 year 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 41620 times:
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User currently offlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 568 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (1 year 2 days ago) and read 41143 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 19):
When you have an order book of 1,000 aircraft I am not sure 100 is a big milestone. Deinitely news release worthy but i a, not picturing any ceremony. I think production at 10/month is bigger. At that rate they will hit 200 deliveries by this time next year

By August/september of next year, we should be celebrating 250!

And by years end, there should be more 787's than A380's flying around.



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 12084 posts, RR: 34
Reply 22, posted (1 year 2 days ago) and read 41071 times:

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 21):
And by years end, there should be more 787's than A380's flying around.

It will be close but I expect it to happen early next year as another 10 A380s will be delivered before years end.



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User currently offlineNYC777 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 5790 posts, RR: 47
Reply 23, posted (1 year 2 days ago) and read 41029 times:

Quoting hkcanadaexpat (Reply 18):
Quoting flightsimer (Reply 21):
By August/september of next year, we should be celebrating 250!

that might be a little ambitious. A year from now they probably would have delivered about 200 - 210. Delivery rates lags behind the output rate so when Boeing starts loading at 10/month the deliveries of those aircraft at that rate won't rise to 10/month for a month or so.



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User currently offlineJohnwaynebobbet From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2013, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (1 year 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 40846 times:

Does anyone know when BA's next 787 is due into production?

25 NYC777 : LN 173 probably won't enter final assembly until February. Delivery around March 2014 I think.
26 Post contains links and images AM777LR : I beg to differ.... View Large View MediumPhoto © Cary Liao - AeroPXView Large View MediumPhoto © Hector Montes de OcaView Large View MediumPhoto
27 tortugamon : I cannot see how to get to 250 by October without a production rate increase which I don't see happening in the near future. LN 158 is the first at 1
28 tortugamon : Wow, that is some year end push. tortugamon
29 Post contains images kanban : I'll believe it when February rolls around. (isn't that when the Airbus 13 month calendar ends?)
30 Post contains links and images pdxswa : The new breed sitting awaiting its first flight ! View Large View MediumPhoto © Bill Shemley
31 KarelXWB : January 13th I believe.[Edited 2013-10-20 04:54:57]
32 kanban : That was sarcasm..
33 lightsaber : Its driving me nuts wondering if we'll break a hundred 787 deliveries in October 2013. I think we shall... but I wonder. Now for production to fully h
34 Post contains links KarelXWB : First 787-8 BBJ is almost complete. http://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/392322487133810689
35 seabosdca : I assume this is LN 141 for the UAE, now in final assembly.
36 KarelXWB : Either LN141 or LN6.
37 NYC777 : LN 141 isn't a BBJ. It's ILFC. Remember BBJ is the customer and they sell the aircraft to the end user after taking delivery. While ILFC may have end
38 seabosdca : Very good point, although I don't know whether Jon is being that precise in his usage or not. "BBJ" might just mean "VIP-configured aircraft."
39 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : AIN ZA235 (32) filed for a C-1 later today: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE235
40 NYC777 : There's ben quite a bit of fog around the Puget Sound region as of late. I hope it gets off today. Boeing is certainly hoping to get a few out the do
41 NYC777 : Looks like the fog cleared up enough for ZA175 to go out on a B-3 or C-1 flight. Though it's still pretty foggy out there.[Edited 2013-10-21 13:09:00]
42 NYC777 : Looks like ZA175 landed at Boeing Field. the fog is still pretty bad out at Everett.
43 7BOEING7 : Definitely not a C-1, wrong profile -- B-3 is the answer. So foggy, missed approach at PAE and on to BFI.
44 NYC777 : Looks like ZA292 finished it's C-1 flight.
45 xaapb : Tomarrow Aeromexico second 787 according to a company tweet: https://twitter.com/aeromexico_com/status/392467434751287296 Only in spanish but basicly
46 seabosdca : But no flight today for ZA235 (AI LN32). Oh well.
47 Post contains links seabosdca : ZA386 (CZ LN104) up, on what looks like a B-3: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...6/history/20131022/1330Z/KCHS/KCHS
48 Post contains links and images NYC777 : Everett is still socked in with heavy fog... http://www.airliners.net/uf/view.file?id=8680&filename=phpkT51Z3.jpeg Don't know if they'll get any 7
49 7BOEING7 : Or B-4.
50 Post contains links and images pdxswa : AIr India Dreamliner VT-ANG on the PAE flight line preparing for it's first flight. View Large View MediumPhoto © Bill Shemley
51 Post contains links xaapb : Well here is the flight plan, looks like AM will take deliver of it's second 787. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...0/history/20131022/1900Z/KPAE
52 Post contains links NYC777 : A few more flights are scheduled for today including a B-1 flight: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AMX8500 - Delivery Flight http://flightaware.com
53 seabosdca : CZ LN119. JL LN125. JL LN20. Looks like a C-1 profile.
54 aklrno : Could you share with us the clues that tell you it is a B-1, C-1, or other flight profile. Looking at BOE175 a couple of minutes ago (35 minutes into
55 7BOEING7 : As far as KPAE/KBFI Boeing airplanes are concerned if there's been at least a completed B-1 (generally KPAE/KMWH/KPAE for about 2+20 for example) and
56 United787 : I am guessing this in preparation to send to FTW for paint? Nice to see the Chinese birds getting so much action lately. It seems as though they have
57 AM777LR : Yay! Can't wait to see it!
58 7BOEING7 : As opposed to yesterday where they only spent and hour or two at KBFI they'll spend the night today.
59 Post contains links KarelXWB : The 787 production will be increased to 12 units per month in 2016 and 14 units per month before the end of the decade. http://twitter.com/Boeing/stat
60 Bogi : This message is not worth it to open up a extra thread?
61 KarelXWB : IMO we should keep production related discussions together. I often search for information in the previous production threads and that would be more
62 Post contains links KarelXWB : China Southern ZA386 scheduled for another test flight: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...6/history/20131023/1400Z/KCHS/KCHS
63 PHX787 : Estimated Delivery Date? (EDD for now, unless u guys have a better acronym)
64 KarelXWB : I have it listed as October delivery but it will be tight.
65 Bogi : But if some screws missing, at B787, which have already been delivered, then such informations does not belong here?
66 PHX787 : i'll keep end of this month and early next month open. She'll be delivered to HND, no? I'll try to catch her. It's been a while. Keep me posted Karel
67 Post contains links and images pdxswa : British Airways G-ZBJD basking in the late afternoon sun at PAE. View Large View MediumPhoto © Bill Shemley
68 Post contains images seabosdca : Boeing is apparently expecting to sell a whole lot of 787-10s. I wonder if some of the reason for that expectation might become clearer in Dubai... T
69 KarelXWB : The whole 787 family is pretty much sold out until 2019-2020, new delivery slots will open new sales.
70 Post contains images 817Dreamliiner : Indeed Im especially looking forward to the 777X wing
71 hkcanadaexpat : All JAL 787s have been delivered to NRT while the ANA 787s to HND. Expect the same. JA-821J is October delivery and JA-833J is November delivery as p
72 WarpSpeed : As an FYI, on its Q3 earnings call today, Boeing indicated it had delivered 98 787s to 16 customers. As of right now, Allthings787 is showing a total
73 tortugamon : I was expecting them to announce 12/month after they achieved 10/month but they must have confidence that 10 will be achieved in December. I was not
74 KarelXWB : It's more like 3 production days because there are 2 lines (parallel).
75 7BOEING7 : Since JAL ZA175 (20) only completed it's C-1 yesterday and ended up at KBFI, I doubt that has been contractually delivered even if it "bought" on C-1
76 seabosdca : ZA381 (CZ LN36) seems more likely; it's already been on two customer flights, if I recall correctly.
77 Post contains links lightsaber : Understatement. Even MOL has expressed interest in 787s, but only with shorter delivery timelines. If anything, the ramp should be faster than stated
78 n471wn : ZA 175 (20) is shown on All Things 787 as being "ready for delivery"
79 tortugamon : True. My comment should have said 'a' production line instead of 'the' production line. I can't believe I am seeing a Chinese carrier take delivery o
80 Stitch : And are now at 8.3 per month (100 per year).
81 Post contains images lightsaber : I missed that. Still, the 787 is heading into uncharted territory for widebody production.
82 Post contains images KELPkid : I'm sure Boeing could crank out at least 4 terrible teens in that time Suprised MOL can't pull off that kinid of a deal...I'm sure Boeing doesn't wan
83 Post contains images KarelXWB : Or perhaps the teens have already found a new daddy
84 Post contains images seabosdca : Undo the charge on LN1 through LN3 and make MOL pay for change incorporation on them, then give him LN1 through LN4.
85 United787 : There are 8 planes at the EMC right now and 8 planes waiting to go the EMC, that means we have only 1 more cycle of change incorporation to go... any
86 Post contains images KELPkid : If so, the silence coming from Boeing is deafening...and you'd think Uresh would have picked that up in a heartbeat
87 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Don't forget to strip the cockpit first! http://twitter.com/AirlineFlyer/status/347280750019760128
88 N14AZ : Waow, I tried to think of all the current operators: 1.) ANA 2.) JAL 3.) UA 4.) AI 5.) LAN 6.) Norwegian 7.) BA 8.) CZ 9.) Hainan 10.) Royal Brunei 1
89 KarelXWB : Jetstar / Qantas.
90 Post contains images tortugamon : UN and WB are two customers for 6 of them. I forget the third customer but I believe the orders are truly in for those frames. Just not assigned. I t
91 KarelXWB : Multiple rumors say that Lion Air and RwandAir will take the remaining teens (5 and 2 respectively). And those would be 2015-2016 deliveries anyway,
92 N14AZ : Oops. But from where I live they are on the other side of the globe, that's why I forgot them. Sorry to all Aussies.
93 7BOEING7 : Those were more than likely a B-2 and B-3 I think. The B-1 didn't appear to be complete -- bypassing MWH and only flying PAE/PAE, the two subsequent
94 seabosdca : If it's not LN20 or LN36, then this is a real puzzle... I don't think any other undelivered birds have yet had a customer flight. It will be interest
95 NYC777 : Wrong! Boeing said that they have contractually delivered 96 not 98 787s to date. This is from the transcript of today's earnigns call: "Including Oc
96 tortugamon : Assuming 12/month at the beginning of 2016 and 14/month in 2019 and assuming WIP declines at a semi-predictable rate then Boeing should be able to wo
97 Post contains links tortugamon : Interesting quote from Aviation Week: "Investments continue to be made to bolster the line at Charleston, S.C., as well as at Everett, Wash., where th
98 Post contains images KarelXWB : In other words, enough room to hold four 787-10 aircraft after each other
99 Post contains links KarelXWB : LN79 has been painted: http://paineairport.com/images/kpae9919.png
100 United787 : Wow! GO CHINA!
101 Post contains links and images pdxswa : With every China Southern Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner in the same livery. As is evident with B-2726. Is this livery not considered Colorful Paint anymore
102 Ronaldo747 : Every CZ 787 will get this livery, but it was already known for some time.
103 Post contains links seabosdca : ZA434 (HU LN85) up, on what looks to me like a customer flight. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE434
104 Post contains images 7BOEING7 :
105 Post contains images KELPkid : Suprised PAE doesn't have a Cat II or III ILS installation? If not, they need it
106 Post contains links NYC777 : Several customer flights on tap for today: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE446 - ZA446 for Royal Brunei http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE23
107 Post contains images seabosdca : And all three of these are now up. The fog must be a lucky charm.
108 7BOEING7 : A CAT III installation has been discussed in the past but if you look at the number of flight delays (not very many) and the expense of certifying th
109 7BOEING7 : They're up but the big question is where will they come down, worse case is they land at BFI as ZA175 did and take the bus home.
110 Post contains links 817Dreamliiner : Conditions arent improving at PAE according to Matt: http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/393487020141461504
111 NYC777 : ZA235 and ZA446 both bypassed the landing at Moses Lake it seems and are heading to the Seattle area but are close to Everett.
112 7BOEING7 : Looks like they blew MWH off when the weather started to go south at PAE -- meanwhile ZA563 is soldiering on. A Dreamlifter just went missed approach
113 NYC777 : Looks like 235 is lined up for final at PAE.
114 NYC777 : Looks like all three bypassed MWH. Looks like 235 landed at Paine but 446 landed at BFI. Then this popped up on FA: 563 is heading to Paine but let's
115 7BOEING7 : Looks like ZA235 and the 773 made it (thanks to "Otto") -- ZA446 went to BOE -- the Dreamlifter went to MWH -- ZA563 finally got the word, bypassed M
116 Post contains links tortugamon : LN 79 was the aircraft that wasn't painted and seemed destined for long term storage for a while there right? Good news. Well this is not a good sign:
117 NYC777 : I think ZA563 landed but I'm not sure where.
118 Post contains links NYC777 : ZA563 landed back at Paine according to Matt: ZA563 Aeromexico N965AM back from a customer flight http://t.co/08Cpss56B0— Paine Airport (@mattcawby)
119 7BOEING7 : Correction from previous posts. PAE does have a CAT II ILS approach but it's an SA (Special Authorization) which I'm guessing is good for Boeing and/o
120 tortugamon : Its been too long since we talked about the 787-9. Does anyone know if ZB021 will have a different livery than the ZB001 or ZB002? Maybe the white wit
121 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : In the fog... VT-ANG by Powercube, on Flickr
122 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Jetairfly LN137 undergoing final assembly: http://twitter.com/hans_vh/status/393677344843378688/photo/1
123 United787 : Looks like more fog for the forecast today and tomorrow...
124 seabosdca : Well, the GEnx P2 appears on the TCDS now, while the T1000 Package C doesn't yet. Total speculation, but it may also be that they have a customer for
125 NYC777 : Fog isn't that bad today, they should be able to get off more test flights as needed but not sure about he B-1 for ZB002.
126 Post contains links NYC777 : Looks like a good day to go flyin' in Wa. State. Here's the flights thus far: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE1 - ZB001 http://flightaware.com/l
127 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : JAL ZA175 (20) out on a C-2 (not quite "ready for delivery" yet). GUN ZA381 (36) filed for what should be a C-1. HNA ZA435 (131) filed for a B-1. htt
128 tortugamon : As reasonable of an explanation as any. If it was done with flight testing though I would have thought it would have been ferried to PAE where there
129 seabosdca : Taxi test only per Matt Cawby. Stupid fog. It's partially lifted, but ceilings are still very low.
130 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : AIN ZA235 (32) and AMX ZA563 (127) trying to complete C-2's today: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE563 http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE235
131 Post contains links NYC777 : ZA435 is still scheduled for a 13:55 local time departure, maybe they're trying to squeeze it in: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE435
132 7BOEING7 : C-2 flights airborne (ZA235 & ZA563) but ZA435 doesn't have wx.
133 seabosdca : Not in Everett, but downtown Seattle. But ceilings down here are under 1000 feet, and that's not expected to change.
134 Post contains links and images aussie18 : Royal Brunei's second B787. View Large View MediumPhoto © Mark H
135 tortugamon : The Trent Ten is due for certification in 2016 and 787-10 is due to be certified in 2018. GE has already come within 1% of spec and RR is behind so th
136 lowbank : Please could someone explain the main differences between the -9 and the -10 Cheers
137 tortugamon : 5.5m tortugamon
138 PHX787 : Is ZA001 staying at the Museum of Flight at PAE, or will it be re-purposed for more testing?
139 lowbank : Tortugamon, In what aspects are RR behing the GenX. Be interesting to understand what people's thoughts are.
140 KarelXWB : ZA001 is being stored in Palmdale but I expect here to end up in the museum.
141 Post contains links KarelXWB : ZA005 was moved inside the EMC. http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/393929013699174400
142 Post contains images KELPkid : The triple spool design of the Trent series makes them more fuel effecient during climb. However, the general consensus is that you pay for that duri
143 Post contains links tortugamon : Aspire Aviation has some details on the fuel burn shortfall. Towards the end of the 787-10 section you will see the engine info. This has been specul
144 Post contains links seabosdca : ZA292 (UA LN124) up for a short C-2. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE292
145 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : RBA ZA446 (130) is out on a C-2: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE446
146 United787 : As always, thank you to All Things 787 (NYC777) and others for the information that is summarized here. DELIVERED TO DATE: 96 Aircraft to 16 Airlines
147 Sooner787 : Any more speculation on who gets the 100th 787 ?
148 United787 : There are about 7 aircraft that are ready now with another 2 right behind, it could be any of them. My guess is JL but second choices would be UA or
149 Post contains links KarelXWB : China Southern ZA387 ferry flight to FTW: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...7/history/20131028/1930Z/KCHS/KFTW
150 Post contains links KarelXWB : Hainan Airlines ZA435 / LN131 scheduled for a B1 flight: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...5/history/20131028/2030Z/KPAE/KMWH
151 lowbank : Tortugamon, Thanks for the link, very informative if perhaps a little biased towards Boeing. It makes some very good points and it certainly looks ros
152 Post contains images lightsaber : With the late lifting of the fog, I wonder if they'll make a hundred this month. I'm sure Boeing will send out any they can between now and when the
153 MtnWest1979 : Just saw 787-9 on final to BFI. With the sunny day, was a very pleasant sight. I like the looks of -9 over the -8. Would have been a nice pic too if h
154 Post contains links KarelXWB : Vietnam Airlines will put GE engines on its 787 aircraft. http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...-dreamliners-idUSBRE99S01I20131029
155 tortugamon : He does appear to have that bias. I was on my ipad at the time and couldn't really select the specific percentages. Sorry for being vague but glad yo
156 Stitch : Like the 787 herself, the engine OEMs appear to have tried to jump too far ahead too fast with their baseline designs. GE seriously stuffed the GEnx1
157 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : HNA ZA435 (132) finally airborne on a B-1 and RBA ZA446 (130) filed for a C-3 later: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/BOE435 http://flightaware.com/
158 United787 : Minor correction (131)...good news...
159 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Jetairfly OO-JDL (LN137) rolled out of the paint hangar. http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/395230595606781952/photo/1
160 Post contains links KarelXWB : Norwegian LN136 is scheduled for a B1 flight. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...0/history/20131029/2100Z/KPAE/KMWH
161 Post contains links KarelXWB : ZB002 has been applied with its registration (N789FT), first flight should be imminent. http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/395298653104926720
162 Post contains images seabosdca : No apparent deliveries today and no B-1 for ZA650 (DY LN136). The part of me that wants instant gratification is frustrated. I hope a few deliveries c
163 Post contains links KarelXWB : Jetstar LN134 (VH-VKB) is wearing a Boeing test registration (N1015X). http://paineairport.com/images/kpae9953.png
164 tortugamon : ZA005 went to the EMC while ZA004 went to BFI and has not flown in quite a while. Do we think that ZA004 will sit until the Trent Ten needs certificat
165 Post contains links KarelXWB : Second try today: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...0/history/20131030/1630Z/KPAE/KMWH
166 Post contains links KarelXWB : Probably canceled, unfortunately. http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/395615443219513344
167 7BOEING7 : Re:NOR ZA650 (136) Weather at PAE was below B-1 minimums and they have until about 4PM to get airborne with enough time to complete the flight before
168 NYC777 : BOE418 which is a 777-300ER just took off on its B-1 and the ceilings, at last report, were about 2000 ft. It should be clear for ZA650 to undertake
169 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : The Jetairfly 787 has been named "Diamond". http://twitter.com/hans_vh/status/395811355455787008
170 United787 : Trick or Treat Boeing? Hopefully we will get a big fat treat in the way of deliveries!
171 WarpSpeed : I hope you're right. As far as we know some contractual deliveries may have already or will soon take place. Resulting delivery flights might take a d
172 United787 : Please be a treat - please be a treat - please be a treat
173 Post contains links KarelXWB : Here we go, Aeromexico N965AM (LN127) delivery flight: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/A...0/history/20131031/2100Z/KPAE/MMMX
174 Post contains links and images 817Dreamliiner : A nice photo of the 787-9s, ZB001 and ZB002, photo by Matt Cawby http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/10602528216/
175 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Meanwhile DY ZA650 will try another B1 attempt. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...0/history/20131101/1530Z/KPAE/KMWH
176 NYC777 : ZA650 is finally airborne.
177 Post contains links KarelXWB : Next delivery: Royal Brunei V8-DLB (LN130). http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/396311553823100928
178 Post contains links seabosdca : ZA187 (JAL LN125) scheduled for a test flight. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...7/history/20131101/1720Z/KCHS/KCHS
179 tortugamon : ZB021 has emerged without a painted vertical stab. It appears there will be a new livery. It went right to the fuel dock. tortugamon
180 Post contains links and images seabosdca : It's all-white. Matt Cawby has a picture. http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/396374326833721344 It's a ghost plane! Apparently cancelled. Edit: ZA43
181 Post contains links and images 817Dreamliiner : Photo: http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/396374326833721344
182 Post contains images Kengo : Makes me wonder if this one will be painted in NZ's livery, which will be cool to see.
183 seabosdca : This one is the GE prototype and is not going to NZ. I believe it's going to the Mexican Government as a presidential transport.
184 7BOEING7 : In any case it will probably be a minimal paint job, mainly white with a speed stripe or two as long as it's in flight test.
185 Kengo : Thanks for the info. Would this be the first government VIP 787? Considering it will be used as government transport, I hope most of the teething kin
186 Post contains links and images 817Dreamliiner : Here's a better photo of ZB021, photo by Matt Cawby: http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/10617530353/
187 hkcanadaexpat : WIth a new month dawning upon us, here's the latest status of upcoming activity: Deliveries: > JA-821J (Japan Airlines #12) > B-2726 (China Sout
188 Post contains images PHX787 : Whats with the smoke in the background? Looks like the ghost plane's ghost haze Happy Halloween, Boeing
189 817Dreamliiner : I'll answer with the description written under the photo:
190 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : ZB021 is now at the fuel dock. Boeing 787-9 by moonm, on Flickr Lightsaber duel. Boeing 787-9 by moonm, on Flickr
191 baldwin471 : Might have already popped up, but when is the first 788 for TG scheduled to be delivered? Wiki just has it down as 2014. Can't wait to see her in the
192 Post contains links AM777LR : Which test frame 789 is destined for the Mexican Air Force as VIP transport? On "All things 787" it shows the first two 789s to de destined for NZ and
193 Kengo : That is what I heard here, the third 789 will go the Mexican government. The white tail probably supports this claim.
194 AM777LR : I'm hoping so! We all [Mexicans] are waiting anxiously! It is supposed to be delivered around this time next year if I'm not mistaken.
195 Stitch : Boeing Commercial Aircraft ordered by, destined for, and delivered to business and VIP customers are recorded in Boeing's O&D website as "Busines
196 Post contains links seabosdca : Another try... http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...7/history/20131104/1545Z/KCHS/KCHS
197 United787 : With so many planes that seemed ready for delivery, I was surprised that there weren't more deliveries for October. Especially when you consider most
198 WarpSpeed : Matt Cawby tweets that LN133:ZB002:N789FT is to fly a B-1 Tuesday. https://twitter.com/mattcawby
199 Post contains images 817Dreamliiner : Great! Lets hope the weather is good at PAE today
200 Post contains links NYC777 : No. 99 delivered....to Air India... http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AIC164[Edited 2013-11-05 04:57:29]
201 NYC777 : It seems to me that no. 100 is more and more likely going to UAL
202 PHX787 : Either one of these is plausible. I can see Boeing giving it to JL (with special 100th 787 decal) in a way to try to woo them back for more airplanes
203 United787 : 50th 787 for the year and 10th for AI but the most important number is 1 - only 1 plane left for AI on the flightline! Of course they have 3 in the E
204 WarpSpeed : This would be a fitting, albeit small, tribute to their shared legacy.
205 seabosdca : And another one to be assembled at Charleston in January or so. Their current bridge financing covers two more, if I understand the situation right..
206 Post contains images KarelXWB : Those won't be delivered before the end of the year anyway.
207 Post contains images seabosdca : Absolutely... but it's never too early to start worrying about AI financing arrangements...
208 Post contains links KarelXWB : Air India LN30 / ZA234 scheduled for a B1 flight. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...4/history/20131105/2000Z/KPAE/KMWH
209 Post contains links KarelXWB : Jetstar ZA216 scheduled for a B1 flight too. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...6/history/20131105/1900Z/KMWH/KPAE
210 NYC777 : Weather at Everett doesn't look too good for any B-1s. Ceiling looks to be less than 1,500 ft.
211 Post contains links KarelXWB : China Southern ZA387 has been painted and is now on its way FTW-CHS. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...7/history/20131105/1715Z/KFTW/KCHS
212 seabosdca : It's improved in Seattle but looks as miserable as ever in Everett. QF timed out and I expect AI will do the same.
213 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Matt just took this picture, there's clearly a lot of fog indeed. http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/397795620468961280
214 WarpSpeed : And the winner is....? Matt Cawby just tweeted that LN20 -ZA175 - JA821J for Japan Airlines is at the Everett Delivery Center.[Edited 2013-11-05 12:2
215 KarelXWB : The 100th delivery is JL JA821J (LN20). [Edit] WarpSpeed was first.[Edited 2013-11-05 12:36:07]
216 NYC777 : I wouldn't claim that JAL got the 100 th delivery just yet. It could also go to China Southern or United. We have to wait for official announcement fr
217 WarpSpeed : You are the Master, KarelXWB. Exactly!!! It just means the JAL folks are sipping sake.
218 Post contains links KarelXWB : Just to show how thick the fog is: http://jonostrower.tumblr.com/post/6...urdly-low-ceilings-here-in-everett Good point.
219 Post contains images seabosdca : Ceilings have gotten lower here in Seattle since this morning. Right now clouds are brushing the tops of the taller downtown buildings, which means c
220 Post contains images Sooner787 : As hard as the 787 team had been working to catch up on deliveries this year, the 100th delivery might be a nice time to at least have a company paid
221 Post contains images KELPkid : If the pilots are, they will have to wait 8 hours before they can fly the bird home
222 Post contains links KarelXWB : ZB002 is doing a B1 preflight. http://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/397845617600237568
223 Post contains links KarelXWB : A delivery flight plan for JL JA821J has been filled. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/J...1/history/20131105/2330Z/KPAE/RJAA
224 WarpSpeed : Well, if its not the 100th contractually delivered 787, its the plane that will likely log the 100th delivery flight!
225 Post contains links 7BOEING7 : And here's the big press release from Boeing on the 100th delivery http://boeing.mediaroom.com/ Whoops, I guess not. It's a non-event to all except th
226 WarpSpeed : Its not necessarily a slow news day for the PR folks by any means. The IAM deal is of more significance and demanding attention at this point. 100 78
227 Post contains links tortugamon : ZB002 was in the middle of preflight and the weather looks better in Everett but Matt says it would have to be back by 5pm PST. I don't see it happeni
228 Post contains images PHX787 : The flight was rescinded on Flightaware. Idk how but one of you guys, please use the email function on here and send me an email to tell me when the
229 dynamicsguy : Come now. This sort of thing is often announced a few days or a week later, and sometimes through less formal means like Randy's blog. It wasn't sche
230 817Dreamliiner : It was:
231 Post contains links KarelXWB : Here's a nice picture of CZ B-2726 (LN36): http://www.flickr.com/photos/microvolt/10701111666/
232 dynamicsguy : My information was otherwise, but I checked more recently than that tweet.
233 Post contains links tortugamon : NYC777, Aviationweek is reporting that Lion Air will receive the 787s with "line numbers 10, 13, 15, 16 and 18." quote is on page 2: http://www.aviati
234 KarelXWB : Nice find, so the rumors are true.
235 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : Jetstar VH-VKB experimental on the runway. N1015X by Powercube, on Flickr
236 Post contains images lightsaber : Excellent! With two to Transaero, this leaves only 3 "terrible teens" unsold. The fact LN12 didn't find a home has me suspecting GEnX engines... Ligh
237 KarelXWB : LN12 is assigned to Transaero.
238 817Dreamliiner : According to NYC777s blog LN12 is going to Transaero as well. The remaining two will probably go to Rwandair (this was rumoured previously)
239 NYC777 : Thanks, I'm going to get confirmation from sources but in the meantime I've changed it on my spreadsheets. LN 12 is indeed assigned to Transaero. Thi
240 NYC777 : Transaero has 4 coming to them...all are assigned from the batch of very early builds. See my spreadsheets.
241 WarpSpeed : ....And, the WSJ is reporting they will be outfitted in an all-economy, 360 seat configuration. OUCH!
242 Stitch : That should still allow 31-32" seat pitch (Boeing's ACAP is 375 in a single class). Overall, still going to be far more comfortable than an Air Asia
243 seabosdca : This will require that all the birds be equipped with four Type A exits on each side. Are all of the birds listed above equipped that way? It's hard
244 Stitch : The standard - and I believe only - exit configuration for the 787 family is eight Type A doors.
245 817Dreamliiner : Doesn't the 787 only have type A doors?
246 seabosdca : The TCDS lists two configurations with two Type C doors and one configuration with four Type C doors. None of those configurations allows for a capac
247 Stitch : Looking at the FAA and EASA TCDS, I see: 381 with four pairs of exit in an (A, A, A, A) exit arrangement 355 with four pairs of exit in an (C, A, A,
248 Post contains links tortugamon : I can't quite get to 160. I personally think the max one-class cabin is 350. ANA does 335 in two class and I believe it is already 31" in Y. Seat pla
249 Stitch : The December 2011 787-8 ACAP has a single-class configuration wit 375 seats, so it is apparently doable. The ACAP does not give a pitch, but based on
250 tortugamon : I think ANA's 335 seater is 31" seat pitch and it only has 4 bathrooms. I guess the 'premium seats' could be as much as 57" so with pulling from othe
251 Post contains links seabosdca : ZA216 (QF LN134) up on a B-1 flight. ZA234 (AI LN30) is scheduled to depart on a B-1 flight any time. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...6/history
252 Post contains links KarelXWB : A flight plan for ZB002 has been filled. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B...2/history/20131106/2030Z/KPAE/KMWH
253 Post contains links tortugamon : ZB002 is scheduled for its first flight in just a couple minutes. It will be good to have two 787-9s in the air. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/B.
254 Post contains links WarpSpeed : Roger that! Wx looks acceptable for a B-1. http://www.painefield.com/webcam.html Keep refreshing the page and you might get a glimpse of the first fl
255 817Dreamliiner : It hasn't, its still currently at PAE.
256 Post contains images KarelXWB : Canceled
257 Post contains links and images KarelXWB : ZB002 went back to the stall. Short-lived taxi out now has ZB2 heading back to the stall. First flight will wait a bit longer. #7879FT by Jon Ostrower
258 Post contains links KarelXWB : ZB002 first flight is canceled due to a fuel filter indication on left engine. They will try it again tomorrow. http://twitter.com/AvWeekGuy/status/39
259 Post contains links iowaman : Due to length lets roll this to part 23: 787 Production/Delivery Thread Part 23 (by iowaman Nov 6 2013 in Civil Aviation)
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