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New Zealand Aviation Part 136  
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11855 posts, RR: 18
Posted (6 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 22503 times:
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Link to old thread New Zealand Aviation Part 135 (by ZKOJH Oct 4 2013 in Civil Aviation)

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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11855 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (6 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 22521 times:
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From the previous thread

Quoting nz2 (Reply 201):
hate to be a no show and be stuck till next week!

Hate to be stuck in HNL till next week?!?! I would love to be stuck till next week! Be a pain on the annual leave as it would require extra time off, but I would seriously consider jumping on a B717 and flying off to another Island

Quoting koruman (Reply 210):
I don't understand the contradiction of Air NZ stating that they are adopting a low-yield leisure configuration for the 789, aimed at China, yet it will include lie-flat Business Premier and Premium Economy cabins

Its known as streamlining their long haul offering to a one service type on every aircraft


User currently offlinegasman From New Zealand, joined Mar 2004, 854 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (6 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 22443 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 1):
Hate to be stuck in HNL till next week?!?! I would love to be stuck till next week! Be a pain on the annual leave as it would require extra time off, but I would seriously consider jumping on a B717 and flying off to another Island

Totally. Yes to being stuck in Hawaii, and yes to a short ride on a 717!

Following on from the scheduling discussion to HNL from the previous thread, I sincerely hope NZ increases 763 frequency, rather than a four weekly 772. Firstly, as this is a route I usually travel Y I prefer the 763 config; and secondly on each of my previous trips to Hawaii the scheduling hasn't been entirely convenient.


User currently offlineairportugal310 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3453 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (6 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 22446 times:

To the guy who said you would be stuck until next week, you could have chosen HA that flies the route 3x a week.

Just saying!  



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User currently offlinenz2 From New Zealand, joined Aug 2007, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (6 months 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 22386 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 1):
Hate to be stuck in HNL till next week?!?! I would love to be stuck till next week! Be a pain on the annual leave as it would require extra time off, but I would seriously consider jumping on a B717 and flying off to another Island

Yep way ahead of you, we had last week in Kona for the Ironman (on HA 717's), this week in Waikiki was the relax part. As I speak I can have just returned from Dukes Canoe Club and the ever present pan flute player tunes are wofing up to our balcony....very nice spot!


User currently offlinekoruman From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 3528 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (6 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 22334 times:

At the end of the last thread, ZK-NBT suggested amending the Honolulu timetable as follows:
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Instead of the current
AKL 1100 HNL 2130
HNL 2300 AKL 0600

would you change it to say

AKL 1930 HNL 0600
HNL 0730 AKL 1430
or
AKL 0100 HNL 1130
HNL 2230 AKL 0530

Just at the moment connections from Australia (bar PER) require an overnight stay in AKL. A 1430 arrival to AKL can connect to the afternoon SYD/MEL/BNE flights but its an early start in HNL. But a 1930 departure from AKL gives BNE and MEL pax the option of long haul J and W the whole way, atleast once HNL is a 789.

A 0100 AKL departure connects from the late SYD/MEL/BNE/OOL flights but my proposal is that the aircraft would have a similar return as the current NZ9 to AKL.
...................................................................................................
My preferred model would probably be the last of the options - the one with overnight flights both ways and 11 hours on the tarmac, but it's not great utilisation.

When Air Australia opened BNE-HNL I wrote that Brisbane and Melbourne were grievously underserviced and that I thought both could sustain Honolulu flights.

Now Jetstar and Hawaiian are operating them 3x weekly.

My preferred model would be for Air New Zealand to operate a joint venture with Virgin Australia flying what is effectively a triangle route for positioning purposes (but not passenger purposes). It would involve aircraft flying:

AKL-BNE-HNL-AKL-MEL-HNL-AKL-HNL-AKL and then repeating the order.

This would involve far greater utilisation than the double overnight model above, and I don't really think that the AKL stop would be a deterrent to Aussie passengers as at least it wouldn't be overnight like it currently is outbound.

On a day in which AKL-BNE was operated by this plane in the morning, there would also be a later widebody service.


User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (6 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 21858 times:

Does anyone know what ANZ6002 is about? Operated by ZK-NCL flying over the Philippines.


repaint ZK-PBG!
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11855 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (6 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 21841 times:
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Quoting koruman (Reply 5):
Instead of the current
AKL 1100 HNL 2130
HNL 2300 AKL 0600

would you change it to say

AKL 1930 HNL 0600
HNL 0730 AKL 1430
or
AKL 0100 HNL 1130
HNL 2230 AKL 0530

I remember back in 2006 NZ had on the days HNL operated a double service with a morning and evening departure from HNL. I booked myself on the evening departure from HNL to enable a full day in HNL before flying home. Sadly NZ cancelled all the evening HNL departures and just had the morning departure. One VERY boring flight back it was!

IMHO option 2 or 3 with the AKL departure and option 3 with the HNL departure would be better. To enable better aircraft usage maybe extend the flight onto IAH before the return sector? Yes the IAH loads would be crap but it would enable another USA option and I'm sure the passengers would prefer to clear customs at HNL instead of LAX even if IAH isn't their final destination.


User currently offlinenascarnut From New Zealand, joined Oct 2008, 255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (6 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 21785 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 6):
Does anyone know what ANZ6002 is about? Operated by ZK-NCL flying over the Philippines.

The aircraft is positioning back from XMN after maintenance. It would be nice if if was also repainted while it was up there but have not heard any word on when the fleet will be repainted


User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (6 months 5 days ago) and read 21754 times:

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 8):
The aircraft is positioning back from XMN after maintenance. It would be nice if if was also repainted while it was up there but have not heard any word on when the fleet will be repainted

Surely the the 763 wont get the repaint? with 3x 789 arriving next year there days are numbered.


User currently offlinegasman From New Zealand, joined Mar 2004, 854 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (6 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 21635 times:

Quoting zkncj (Reply 9):
Surely the the 763 wont get the repaint? with 3x 789 arriving next year there days are numbered.

You would think so, but we haven't had a formal announcement of their retirement yet, unless I'm wrong?


User currently offlinenz2 From New Zealand, joined Aug 2007, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (6 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 21595 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 7):
I remember back in 2006 NZ had on the days HNL operated a double service with a morning and evening departure from HNL. I booked myself on the evening departure from HNL to enable a full day in HNL before flying home. Sadly NZ cancelled all the evening HNL departures and just had the morning departure. One VERY boring flight back it was!

I found the unscheduled Sat morning flight back quite nice actually, instead of being in no mans land after hotel check out on Friday (though we had planned to beach the afternoon and use friends hotel room to shower prior to airport) and we could relax the whole day and enjoy another nice meal out.

The flight itself was great, they did not sell Y+ seats as premium but we were lucky enough to be seated in that section, due to the 12 hour delay the whole plane recieved full service and plenty of drinks. Another 3 movies now ticked off!


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24651 posts, RR: 86
Reply 12, posted (6 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 21568 times:
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A couple more awards for Air NZ, one of which is in China:

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU131...r-two-global-travel-accollades.htm

"Air NZ receives another two global travel accollades"

Readers of the prestigious Condé Nast Traveler magazine have named Air New Zealand one of the top five international airlines in the world and in China the airline has been named in the top 10 at the country’s annual China Travel + Leisure awards.


That's quite a shelf of awards it has collected this year, but "accollades"??? Can't the newspapers afford spell-checkers anymore?

mariner



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User currently offlinegasman From New Zealand, joined Mar 2004, 854 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (6 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 21539 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 12):
Readers of the prestigious Condé Nast Traveler

Not quite what I found when looking at the website

http://www.cntraveller.com/awards/re...s-2013/best-airline-airport-cruise

Not that it really matters. It always intrigues me how the mainstream media pick up on voluntary voting based articles from magazine articles, and report it in the same way as they would quality scientific research. In particular the way they present Skytrax results - really nothing more than an internet blog site - as being gospel, really irks me.

I'm reminded of the old researchers' adage "a bunch of anecdotes put together does not equal data".

It's a shame, because we're not talking about something that's particularly difficult to study. Much of the hard product is rigid parametric data, and easy to do valid comparisons on. Passenger satisfaction surveys, if carried out prospectively would have validity too. It's a shame no-one in the travel media can be bothered to do if properly; if done so I suspect NZ would do seriously well.


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24651 posts, RR: 86
Reply 14, posted (6 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 21532 times:
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Quoting gasman (Reply 13):
In particular the way they present Skytrax results - really nothing more than an internet blog site - as being gospel, really irks me.

I take the view that there's no such thing as bad publicity - LOL.

That Air NZ even gets mentioned in these international forums is enough for me. Perhaps we have different perceptions of NZ's status in the world?

mariner



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User currently offlinegasman From New Zealand, joined Mar 2004, 854 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (6 months 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 21494 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 14):
I take the view that there's no such thing as bad publicity - LOL

Indeed, and taking it one step further there's nothing bad about GOOD publicity even if it stems from bad research. But it could just as easily work the other way. No airline wants to become the new Garuda based on a bogus Skytrax article.

Quoting mariner (Reply 14):
That Air NZ even gets mentioned in these international forums is enough for me. Perhaps we have different perceptions of NZ's status in the world?

Well, I wouldn't have said NZ is so insignificant that we have to get all magnanimously grateful for the fact the media take time out from mentioning the "proper" airlines. I'd summarise it by saying NZ is a small player with regional prominence that punches well above its weight, particularly in the LAX-LHR market.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11855 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (6 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 21468 times:
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Fire fighters were called to Hawkes Bay Airport this morning after a small fire in the NZ staff room. The fire resulted in the delayed take off of a WLG bound ATR flight

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...refighters-called-to-airport-blaze

All right....who left the toaster going?


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24651 posts, RR: 86
Reply 17, posted (6 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 21451 times:
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Quoting gasman (Reply 15):
I'd summarise it by saying NZ is a small player with regional prominence that punches well above its weight, particularly in the LAX-LHR market.

  

Well above its weight, I agree.

It's just that I'm not sure ow these things can be organized differently. I don't know of any peer group awards, like the Oscars, say, and even they are somewhat suspect - the peer group tends to have its own favourites, or Fanny Bloggs "deserves" it this year, or Warners spent millions on pressies for the Academy members.

So I tend to regard these awards as valid as any other, and if there are sufficient readers in China, say, who have even heard of Air NZ, I think it's a good thing.

mariner



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11855 posts, RR: 18
Reply 18, posted (6 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 21347 times:
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The Government are now stepping into the issues of high regional airfares during a speech at the New Zealand Airports Association conference in Blenheim on Friday.

Competition on the main trunk routes between Auckland, Wellington and Christchurch had kept fares "definitely" in line with CPI cost of living inflation.

But airfares to some regional centres had not been in line with the CPI, he said.

Regional airfares presented a challenge for both regions and airlines, Mr Brownlee said.

There was often not enough demand for more than one carrier on a regional route, so there was limited or no competition and little capacity for it.



http://www.stuff.co.nz/marlborough-e...6926/Cost-of-flights-on-Govt-radar

Another perfect example of someone IMHO who doesn't understand/know/grasp the costs involved of operating regional aircraft but I'll give credit to him for admitting that the high costs of fares doesn't present a challenge for some regions and the airline


User currently offlinegasman From New Zealand, joined Mar 2004, 854 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (6 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 21253 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 18):
Another perfect example of someone IMHO who doesn't understand/know/grasp the costs involved of operating regional aircraft but I'll give credit to him for admitting that the high costs of fares doesn't present a challenge for some regions and the airline

Yes.

The only regional route I fly with any regularity is AKL-WAG. Usually, the fares I get amount to around $250 each way. For that I get an easy check in, 40 minutes in a Beech 1900 (rescuing me from a 6 hour partially horrendous drive); two well trained crew and the benefit of an entire airline infrastructure.

I actually don't consider this to be too bad a deal.


User currently offlineSelandiaBaru From Indonesia, joined Oct 2013, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (6 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 21152 times:

Quoting gasman (Reply 19):
I actually don't consider this to be too bad a deal.

I tend to agree and that is largely what I pay one way for frequent flexible AKL-GIS vv one-way tickets, even better they're often in the Dash 8 which has somewhere to put a carry-on bag. That said pricing doesn't seemed to have changed with the up-gauge of a lot of flights onto the more economical 50 seater.

Where a lot of people seem to find it expensive, as I have had are on multi-city itinerary or flying from one regional airport to another through a golden-triangle hub. For example even to me $654 for a GIS-DUD return seems a bit up there when it's just a Smart Saver fare. Don't get me started on the per sector credit card charges either, that really is wrong.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 21, posted (6 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 20707 times:

Does anyone know why NZ is operating a flight SYD-YVR tomorrow evening?


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User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3038 posts, RR: 9
Reply 22, posted (6 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 20675 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 21):
Does anyone know why NZ is operating a flight SYD-YVR tomorrow evening?

They're not operating it for AC? What equipment are they using, it's a long way?



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 23, posted (6 months 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 20668 times:

Quoting motorhussy (Reply 22):

On the NZ online timetable, SYD website and flightaware as a 772. Departing in the evening and the AC flight is still scheduled. NZ119 operates AKL-SYD and then it heads up to YVR..



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User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 844 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (6 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 20454 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 23):
On the NZ online timetable, SYD website and flightaware as a 772. Departing in the evening and the AC flight is still scheduled. NZ119 operates AKL-SYD and then it heads up to YVR..

The Air NZ timetable has NZ 1084 SYD-YVR as 15hrs 10m while AC 034 SYD-YVR is 14hrs 05m, 1hr 05m longer on NZ. Same on Flightaware, NZ 1084 SYD-YVR 14hrs 50m and AC 034 SYD-YVR 13hrs 45m, again 1hr 05m longer on NZ.

An en-route stop for fuel?

PA515


User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2238 posts, RR: 26
Reply 25, posted (6 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 20534 times:
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It's a special flight to accomodate a very large tour group. Not a charter, just a one off flight.

NZ1


User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4615 posts, RR: 5
Reply 26, posted (6 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 20455 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 24):
Same on Flightaware, NZ 1084 SYD-YVR 14hrs 50m

Flightaware now show it at 13hrs 39 min which is right inside the typical range of times for AC34. Typical airways distance is ~ 7000nm but the flight times suggest something like a 6800nm ESAD. For the 77E this is a comfortable max passenger load sector plus a bit.
When is the return flight ?


User currently offlinetexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 27, posted (6 months 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 20414 times:

Seems that a Waikato Aero Club aircraft declared an emergency on take off and collided with a parked plane off the side of the runway in HLZ. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11145431

Texan



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User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 28, posted (6 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 20249 times:

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ZK-TLA
Anyone know what's up with this? Flew quite low overhead not so long ago.

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 8):
The aircraft is positioning back from XMN after maintenance. It would be nice if if was also repainted while it was up there but have not heard any word on when the fleet will be repainted

Thanks.



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 29, posted (6 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 20223 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 28):

Did a similar thing a week or so ago.. Touch and gos at Whenuapai must be pretty fun though!



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User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (6 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 20198 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 28):
Anyone know what's up with this? Flew quite low overhead not so long ago.

Would say its a test flight, its in the hangar for a while.


User currently offlineBonzoLab From New Zealand, joined Jun 2012, 26 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (5 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 19612 times:

Hi all. 8th AT6 MVG (option) has been picked up and scheduled for delivery June 2015. Three AT6s due now in 2015. Cheers

User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4615 posts, RR: 5
Reply 32, posted (5 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 19560 times:

Quoting BonzoLab (Reply 31):
Hi all. 8th AT6 MVG (option) has been picked up and scheduled for delivery June 2015. Three AT6s due now in 2015. Cheers

What is the connection between three new AT6's in 2015 and New Zealand ?


User currently offlineazzazzazza From New Zealand, joined Jan 2011, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (5 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 19481 times:

Quoting BonzoLab (Reply 31):
8th AT6 MVG (option)

Are they skipping a letter in the rego's? Would've thought the 8th would be MVH...

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 32):
What is the connection between three new AT6's in 2015 and New Zealand ?

The fact that those three AT6's are going to Air New Zealand?


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11855 posts, RR: 18
Reply 34, posted (5 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 19438 times:
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Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 32):

NZ have taken up another ATR72-600 option and delivery of this option will be in 2015, as well as the other planned two deliveries. Presume the rego will be ZK-MVG?


User currently offlineTheLifehouse From New Zealand, joined Feb 2012, 17 posts, RR: 0
Reply 35, posted (5 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 19469 times:

ZK-OXC (currently D-AXAU) has been spotted at Hamburg in the new livery.

From the photos uploaded it looks like the koru is slightly thicker and the fern is slightly mispositioned compared to ZK-OXB. Not that anyone would really care or notice but it's just an observation.


User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4615 posts, RR: 5
Reply 36, posted (5 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 19427 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 34):
NZ have taken up another ATR72-600 option and delivery of this option will be in 2015, as well as the other planned two deliveries. Presume the rego will be ZK-MVG?

Thanks for the enlightenment. I know AT6's as modern versions of the Harvard primary trainer. I wondered if NZ was starting a flying school.  &nbsp Does this mean another Beech gives way to a Q300?

[Edited 2013-10-26 17:44:54]

User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2634 posts, RR: 4
Reply 37, posted (5 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 19326 times:

Quoting TheLifehouse (Reply 35):
From the photos uploaded it looks like the koru is slightly thicker and the fern is slightly mispositioned compared to ZK-OXB. Not that anyone would really care or notice but it's just an observation.

Oh good, that should make it about the 13th livery variation on the fleet. Branding success!


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11855 posts, RR: 18
Reply 38, posted (5 months 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 19222 times:
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Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 36):
Does this mean another Beech gives way to a Q300?

Talking of the 1900 fleet, any due for retirement over the next 12 months? Any other routes being considered for a 1900D to Q300 and Q300 to ATR upgrade that hasn't been announced?

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 37):

This isn't really NZs fault as they didn't paint the aircraft. Maybe its just the way it looks in a photo, like how when ACs new colour scheme came out, it first looked different in different light? Even if it is different, then it certainly isn't the end of the world!


User currently offlinenascarnut From New Zealand, joined Oct 2008, 255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 39, posted (5 months 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 19181 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 38):
Talking of the 1900 fleet, any due for retirement over the next 12 months? Any other routes being considered for a 1900D to Q300 and Q300 to ATR upgrade that hasn't been announced?

Good chance the remaining B1900 operating AKL-TRG and AKL-KKE may go to Q300. Remove the 1000 and 1100 AKL-TRG B1900 and replace with single Q300. Likewise on Sunday night, replace the 2 evening B1900 with a single Q300,
Same thing on KKE.
Additional ATR's could replace AKL-NPE/NPL/NSN plus look at NPE/CHC.
Can't see any new services starting, just upgrades and additional flights.
The smaller towns WHK/WAG/KAT/TUO etc will still require B1900 until similar size aircraft can be sourced


User currently offlinenascarnut From New Zealand, joined Oct 2008, 255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 40, posted (5 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 19087 times:

Some aircraft changes happen on the 28th for the summer.
CZ swith from 332 to 787 while KE do the usual 777 to 744 swap.
Beginning of the increased schedule ex AKL


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 844 posts, RR: 0
Reply 41, posted (5 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 19009 times:

Quoting azzazzazza (Reply 33):
Quoting BonzoLab (Reply 31):
8th AT6 MVG (option)

Are they skipping a letter in the rego's? Would've thought the 8th would be MVH...

The 8th ATR72-600 ordered will be the 7th delivered and become MVG. One of the original seven ordered is due for delivery in 2016, so that will be the 8th delivered and become MVH. This changes if any of other options with earlier delivery dates are converted to orders.

Also, I suspect one of the later original order delivery dates was swapped for an earlier option delivery date. Can anyone confirm?

PA515


User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2634 posts, RR: 4
Reply 42, posted (5 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 18884 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 38):
This isn't really NZs fault as they didn't paint the aircraft. Maybe its just the way it looks in a photo, like how when ACs new colour scheme came out, it first looked different in different light?

I'm fairly certain if a paintshop screws up, a customer airline can demand they redo it. Or even ensure quality control to stop screwups from happening. Like how the koru starting going wonky across a whole bunch of aircraft from about the mid-2000s onwards. Some terrible examples on the 747s and Dash 8s, with the fade on the horizontal lines being all over the place.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 38):
Even if it is different, then it certainly isn't the end of the world!

No, it's not the end of the world, but that doesn't mean it's not important or not worth discussing. A critical element to branding is consistency, unless you subscribe to the good ol' Kiwi number 8 wire, she'll be right b/s that we were largely brought up on. I don't. Do it once - do it right.

So, let's recap:

Blue/green tail, all-white fuselage: 737, A320, 77W, 747
Blue/green tail, Pacific Wave: B1900, D83, AT7, 767, 772
Blue tail, all-white fuselage: 737 (ex Freedom - you can still see the outline of the Freedom logo)
Black tail, LOTR livery: 77W
Black tail, all-black fuselage, mini-koru, black nacelles: A320
Black tail, all-black fuselage, large koru, grey nacelles: 77W, B1900
Black-tail, all-black fuselage, large koru, black nacelles: AT7
Black tail, all-white fuselage: A320
Black tail, semi-black fuselage with fern: A320
Star Alliance livery: A320

Compare that with, say, DL, UA, QF, SQ, CX, KE, AC, KL, LH etc etc

Any I've missed?


User currently offlinenirvarma From New Zealand, joined May 2005, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 43, posted (5 months 4 weeks ago) and read 18825 times:

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 40):
Some aircraft changes happen on the 28th for the summer.
CZ swith from 332 to 787 while KE do the usual 777 to 744 swap.
Beginning of the increased schedule ex AKL

So this is the first scheduled service for the 787 into AKL? Also it looks like KE are sending a 77W today instead of a 744.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 44, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 18741 times:

Quoting nirvarma (Reply 43):
So this is the first scheduled service for the 787 into AKL?

Sure is.

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 42):
Black tail, all-black fuselage, mini-koru, black nacelles: A320
Black tail, all-black fuselage, large koru, grey nacelles: 77W, B1900
Black-tail, all-black fuselage, large koru, black nacelles: AT7

To be honest, these should all be grouped into one.. Having different coloured nacelles is not really much of an issue and I think the koru was sized on proportionality and what looked good more than anything, due to the size and shape of the tails.

And just wondering again what that 'ratio' was whereby NZ would have to paint a new *A logojet..



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User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 18707 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 44):
And just wondering again what that 'ratio' was whereby NZ would have to paint a new *A logojet..

NZ isn't know for following *A rules anyway, so I'm likely safe saying that wont be painting another one. After all it did take them around 7 years to do OJH.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11855 posts, RR: 18
Reply 46, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 18632 times:
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Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 42):
Blue/green tail, all-white fuselage: 737, A320, 77W, 747
Blue/green tail, Pacific Wave: B1900, D83, AT7, 767, 772
Blue tail, all-white fuselage: 737 (ex Freedom - you can still see the outline of the Freedom logo)
Black tail, LOTR livery: 77W
Black tail, all-black fuselage, mini-koru, black nacelles: A320
Black tail, all-black fuselage, large koru, grey nacelles: 77W, B1900
Black-tail, all-black fuselage, large koru, black nacelles: AT7
Black tail, all-white fuselage: A320
Black tail, semi-black fuselage with fern: A320
Star Alliance livery: A320

Compare that with, say, DL, UA, QF, SQ, CX, KE, AC, KL, LH etc etc

The LOTR, All Black and star livery are special liveries, so these can hardly be counted. If its time to get picky then maybe look also at JQs livery? JQ have at least 5 different versions of their livery and more if you count their special liveries. All of their A320 versions get rotated through NZL domestic. QF have several different liveries also and that doesn't include their special liveries. The general public don't care what different liveries airlines have, as long as it says the airlines name then that is all that matters

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 42):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 38):This isn't really NZs fault as they didn't paint the aircraft. Maybe its just the way it looks in a photo, like how when ACs new colour scheme came out, it first looked different in different light?
I'm fairly certain if a paintshop screws up, a customer airline can demand they redo it

Why fix up what appears to be a slight small error in thickness when the general public can't tell/don't care. Only aviation fans will know the difference and we are hardly 'taking over the world' aren't we.


User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 47, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 18580 times:

ZK-OKC has been doing charters for the Singapore Armed Forces. http://i.imgur.com/JYLaxsV.png

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 29):
Did a similar thing a week or so ago.. Touch and gos at Whenuapai must be pretty fun though!
Quoting zkncj (Reply 30):
Would say its a test flight, its in the hangar for a while.

Thanks. Was totally oblivious to the touch and gos.

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 40):
CZ swith from 332 to 787

Might just go and see that arrive.

Quoting zkncj (Reply 45):
I'm likely safe saying that wont be painting another one.

Darn. ZK-OJH and its various cousins around the globe look good.



repaint ZK-PBG!
User currently offlinenirvarma From New Zealand, joined May 2005, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 48, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 18539 times:

Quoting nascarnut (Reply 40):
CZ swith from 332 to 787

Looks like this the first long haul flight for this particular 787 (B-2727). Just saw it fly overhead heading towards the harbour bridge and the city. Looks magnificent.


User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2634 posts, RR: 4
Reply 49, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 18376 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 46):
The LOTR, All Black and star livery are special liveries, so these can hardly be counted.

I'll give you the LOTR livery. The Star one too. But no way for the Crazy About Rugby. The application is across, what, 7-8 aircraft? A sizable part of the fleet And in three different variations. They can't even stick to consistency with a supposedly one-off (or 7-off) special livery?

Quoting 777ER (Reply 46):
If its time to get picky then maybe look also at JQs livery? JQ have at least 5 different versions of their livery and more if you count their special liveries. All of their A320 versions get rotated through NZL domestic.

Ah, but I have pointed this out - I started a thread I can't be bothered linking to back in July (I think) demonstratingn Australasian airlines and their multiple livery variations. This included Virgin ,which is at least standardising now. Interestingly, Qantas had the least variations, likely reflecting the professionalism of their marketing peeps and the value they place on brand consistency.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 46):
The general public don't care what different liveries airlines have, as long as it says the airlines name then that is all that matters

This "general public" you speak of... they/it told you when now?   If that was true, airline liveries would not exist and all you'd have would be variations of airline names across the fuselage.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 46):
QF have several different liveries also and that doesn't include their special liveries.

As far as I can tell, special liveries aside, QF passenger aircraft have two livery variations - the old, skinny 'roo version, and the new, fat 'roo version - and that's because of a conscious decision to actually update the livery, not because of sloppy and mismanaged application of the existing one. Though I still think they've mis-sized the Qantas titling on the A330-200s.


Quoting 777ER (Reply 46):
Why fix up what appears to be a slight small error in thickness when the general public can't tell/don't care. Only aviation fans will know the difference and we are hardly 'taking over the world' aren't we.

Um, because you care? Because presumably someone is paid to make sure this doesn't happen, as a professional? Because the use of the koru - which I believe NZ negotiated correct application of with local iwi - is culturally sensitive? Because you've paid someone to apply it correctly and if they haven't, they should either fix or pay for the error? Because it's branding/marketing 101?

The whole world of branding, of which a livery is a part, is about the most minute of details that "the general public", apparently, don't notice. Yeah? Naaaaaah. Too hard, it seems.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11855 posts, RR: 18
Reply 50, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 18361 times:
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Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 49):
no way for the Crazy About Rugby. The application is across, what, 7-8 aircraft?

I count 4x aircraft. 1x 77W, 2x 320 and 1x 1900D

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 49):
They can't even stick to consistency with a supposedly one-off (or 7-off) special livery?
Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 49):
Qantas had the least variations, likely reflecting the professionalism of their marketing peeps and the value they place on brand consistency.

Are you saying that the NZ marketing peeps aren't professional?

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 49):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 46):The general public don't care what different liveries airlines have, as long as it says the airlines name then that is all that mattersThis "general public" you speak of... they/it told you when now? If that was true, airline liveries would not exist and all you'd have would be variations of airline names across the fuselage.

Customers know an airline when they see the general livery, ie tail design lined up against other airlines. How would you know what aircraft was with what airline from a distance? Livery is also about advertising your brand, a small error like a slightly thicker line isn't going to harm your branding or make customers think your unprofessional.


User currently offlineSelandiaBaru From Indonesia, joined Oct 2013, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 51, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 18301 times:

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 49):
Um, because you care? Because presumably someone is paid to make sure this doesn't happen, as a professional? Because the use of the koru - which I believe NZ negotiated correct application of with local iwi - is culturally sensitive? Because you've paid someone to apply it correctly and if they haven't, they should either fix or pay for the error? Because it's branding/marketing 101?

Totally agree on that.

I think it shows overall the confusion of the airline and not really knowing what they want to be. Market experimentation is all well and good but sometimes as a customer Air New Zealand leaves me a bit confused. Their multiple livery variations are really just the visual manifestation of that.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 50):
Are you saying that the NZ marketing peeps aren't professional?

I don't think it's that they are unprofessional, perhaps a case of trying too hard to be all things to all people. Which is understandable for a small monopoly carrier. But their messaging becomes confused.


User currently offlinegasman From New Zealand, joined Mar 2004, 854 posts, RR: 0
Reply 52, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 18332 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 50):
Are you saying that the NZ marketing peeps aren't professional?

Why do you ask the question as if such an utterance is akin to swearing in church? Few of us would brand from a distance any stranger or group as unequivocally unprofessional. But I would have no hesitation in stating that the marketing dept. have shown episodes of astonishingly poor judgement (Ricco); the lack of a consistent product brand, the advertising aimed at one demographic (under 30's with an IQ to match)........these are all examples of how the professionalism is not as high as it could be.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 50):
your unprofessional

    
Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 49):
The whole world of branding, of which a livery is a part, is about the most minute of details that "the general public", apparently, don't notice

Completely correct, and also marketing 101. It needs to appeal on a level we can only dimly perceive, if at all. And familiarity (aka consistency) is paramount.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11855 posts, RR: 18
Reply 53, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 18321 times:
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Quoting SelandiaBaru (Reply 51):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 50):Are you saying that the NZ marketing peeps aren't professional?
I don't think it's that they are unprofessional, perhaps a case of trying too hard to be all things to all people. Which is understandable for a small monopoly carrier. But their messaging becomes confused.

How are they trying to be "all things to all people" in regards to their livery? Sure that can be said for the annoying short haul Tasman/Pacific offerings but I can't see how it can be said in regards to the livery. Yes there are a few different aircraft parts out there but people seem to forget that NZ is currently moving to two official liveries, with some special livery designs.

Some people here really believe that the general flying public really care if something is different between aircraft A and B. All the flying public care about is getting from point A to point B and they don't care if an ATRs nacelles are black compared to white.


User currently offlinegytr31 From New Zealand, joined Aug 2011, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 54, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 18253 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 50):
I count 4x aircraft. 1x 77W, 2x 320 and 1x 1900D

There is also one of the new 600 series ATR's painted up along with three 1900's in the black scheme, so 7 aircraft in total I believe.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 55, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 18244 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 50):
I count 4x aircraft. 1x 77W, 2x 320 and 1x 1900D

Nope, there are at least 2 B1900Ds in the All Blacks livery.

Quoting nirvarma (Reply 48):
Looks like this the first long haul flight for this particular 787 (B-2727). Just saw it fly overhead heading towards the harbour bridge and the city. Looks magnificent.

Indeed, it looked spectacular.

So that made for 2 firsts for AKL this weekend; the first being the EK 77F - the first 777F in New Zealand




And the beautiful China Southern 787.

http://www.nickyoungphotos.com/Photos/Aviation/NewZealand/i-ZS22MTb/0/L/IMG_0962postlrbig-L.jpg

Click on the photo to see more 787 shots from today.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11855 posts, RR: 18
Reply 56, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 18174 times:
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Quoting gytr31 (Reply 54):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 50):I count 4x aircraft. 1x 77W, 2x 320 and 1x 1900D
There is also one of the new 600 series ATR's painted

Forgot about that one.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 55):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 50):I count 4x aircraft. 1x 77W, 2x 320 and 1x 1900D
Nope, there are at least 2 B1900Ds in the All Blacks livery.

2 1900Ds? I thought they only had one painted with the other two planned put on hold?


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 57, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 18167 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 56):
2 1900Ds? I thought they only had one painted with the other two planned put on hold?

ZK-EAG and EAK. Not gonna bother with photos as they're hidden among thousands of plane photos over the last few months.



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User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4615 posts, RR: 5
Reply 58, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 18093 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 55):
the first being the EK 77F - the first 777F in New Zealand

Will this be a regular service. If so what frequency. Anyone know what its inbound and outbound stops were?


User currently offlineSelandiaBaru From Indonesia, joined Oct 2013, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 59, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 18054 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 53):

I think the walkback after the initial 'black tail' livery was introduced was informative. There was disquiet amongst both the public and the staff about it. The NZTE silver fern addition seems to be a hasty remedy.

I think many of the flying public are more astute than some people give them credit for. Some people are quite observant, they notice things. Like others have said, if it didn't matter then all aircraft would be white fuselages with a standard font and maybe a logo on the tail. But the aesthetic matters as it speaks to something deeper (and that's what they want after all). It's no different than branding in any other industry.

By the way, I have nothing against special liveries in general.

[Edited 2013-10-28 06:40:18]

User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2634 posts, RR: 4
Reply 60, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 18042 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 50):
Are you saying that the NZ marketing peeps aren't professional?

I can only go by what I, a humble yet oddly alluring member of the great unwashed (aka the "general public") sees - the livery being it, really. And it's a bit of a mess. So what else could I conclude? I'm not a plane spotter and yet I've noticed all these variations from just sitting at the gate, idling away the time.

Quoting 777ER (Reply 50):
I count 4x aircraft. 1x 77W, 2x 320 and 1x 1900D

Wasn't it 3 B1900s and 1 ATR too?

Quoting 777ER (Reply 53):
Some people here really believe that the general flying public really care if something is different between aircraft A and B. All the flying public care about is getting from point A to point B and they don't care if an ATRs nacelles are black compared to white.

Again with the general public. Why do you presume to speak on their/its behalf? How do you know? Why can Delta and multiple other mega carriers get it right across massive and hugely diverse fleets, yet NZ continues to stumble? Remarkable, really. NZ is often so good on the soft product... it would be nice (if not just simply professional) to see it reflected on their exteriors too.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 55):
So that made for 2 firsts for AKL this weekend; the first being the EK 77F - the first 777F in New Zealand

Good catch. Looks A310-esque in that picture.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11855 posts, RR: 18
Reply 61, posted (5 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 17989 times:
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Quoting SelandiaBaru (Reply 59):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 53):
I think the walkback after the initial 'black tail' livery was introduced was informative. There was disquiet amongst both the public and the staff about it. The NZTE silver fern addition seems to be a hasty remedy.

Yes when the black tail was introduced it was ugly and went way beyond what New Zealand means as a country. How does black represent our country? There are some country's that black fits perfectly with, but certainly not this country.

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 60):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 50):I count 4x aircraft. 1x 77W, 2x 320 and 1x 1900D
Wasn't it 3 B1900s and 1 ATR too?

Appears to be 1x 77W, 2x 320, 1x ATR and 2x 1900D, so 6 total 'rugby' designs. We need to remember that the 'rugby' design is now one of the official two liveries NZ have introduced.

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 60):
Quoting 777ER (Reply 53):Some people here really believe that the general flying public really care if something is different between aircraft A and B. All the flying public care about is getting from point A to point B and they don't care if an ATRs nacelles are black compared to white.
Again with the general public. Why do you presume to speak on their/its behalf? How do you know?

Weren't we all 'general public' before we started learning more and more about aviation? We all have friends and family who are 'general public' and they are certainly a great help in knowing what they understand. Observing people at airports and their knowledge also allows us to understand more


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 62, posted (5 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 17955 times:

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 58):
Will this be a regular service. If so what frequency. Anyone know what its inbound and outbound stops were?

Nope, one off to bring some helicopters down, supposedly for oil exploration. Came in from SYD and departed for HKG, as I think the flight usually does SYD-HKG.

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 60):
Good catch. Looks A310-esque in that picture.

Thanks. Haha, I think it looks like a 777-200.  
Quoting 777ER (Reply 61):
We need to remember that the 'rugby' design is now one of the official two liveries NZ have introduced.

No it's not.. It's a rejig of the other new livery currently on OXB. The two official liveries both have that stupid TNZ silver fern, not the sports silver fern.



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User currently offlinenirvarma From New Zealand, joined May 2005, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 63, posted (5 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 17900 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 55):
Indeed, it looked spectacular.

Excellent pictures 
BTW, that FX MD11 in the background seems to be 'stuck' in AKL since it's arrival on sunday evening. Anyone know what the situation is with this aircraft?


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 64, posted (5 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 17848 times:

Quoting nirvarma (Reply 63):
Anyone know what the situation is with this aircraft?

Went tech, now I see it about half an hr out of AKL on its way to SYD on FR.



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User currently offlineazzazzazza From New Zealand, joined Jan 2011, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 65, posted (5 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 17786 times:

Anyone know whats happening with ZK-SUH at CHC today? Appears to be doing circuits on FlightAware and FlightRadar..... Odd as the 747's hardly ever go to Christchurch.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/ZKSUH


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 66, posted (5 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 17750 times:

Quoting azzazzazza (Reply 65):

Flight crew training for NH; it's down there for a week. Strange enough as it is, they just sent their Pokemon jet to the scrapyard.. Surely they could have used that/surely the 744 and 744D are under the same rating..



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User currently offlinenzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1515 posts, RR: 1
Reply 67, posted (5 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 17539 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 66):
Flight crew training for NH; it's down there for a week. Strange enough as it is, they just sent their Pokemon jet to the scrapyard.. Surely they could have used that/surely the 744 and 744D are under the same rating..

Quite regularly see NH crew in CHC



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User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2634 posts, RR: 4
Reply 68, posted (5 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 17330 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 62):
Thanks. Haha, I think it looks like a 777-200.  

Well true. I guess it's just the GE engines on the 772 that we don't get much/any of in New Zealand. Love the GEs on those birds, purely from an aesthetic perspective - so ridiculously big and over the top that they're bootiful.


User currently offlinegasman From New Zealand, joined Mar 2004, 854 posts, RR: 0
Reply 69, posted (5 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 17246 times:

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 68):
I guess it's just the GE engines on the 772 that we don't get much/any of in New Zealand. Love the GEs on those birds, purely from an aesthetic perspective - so ridiculously big and over the top that they're bootiful.

     
GE have always done aesthetics far better than RR. I remember I was disappointed in the 742 days to see RR engines on our birds - horrible small bulbous looking unpolished aluminum things:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-N...d=49d9cbbd0f19f406ab237b8a35e831b5

Compared to the GE offering at the time:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Lufth...d=d601b4fbd0831ca2a5895b0fd1511d8a


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 70, posted (5 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 17181 times:

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 68):
Well true. I guess it's just the GE engines on the 772 that we don't get much/any of in New Zealand. Love the GEs on those birds, purely from an aesthetic perspective - so ridiculously big and over the top that they're bootiful.

Yeah, exactly. EK only operated the 77L to AKL for maybe 3 months while they waited for another A380 to take the flight to daily. And since then, we've never had a 77L/77F in NZ. Those engines are fantastic.

Quoting gasman (Reply 69):
GE have always done aesthetics far better than RR. I remember I was disappointed in the 742 days to see RR engines on our birds - horrible small bulbous looking unpolished aluminum things:

On Boeings, yes.. Especially the RB211s on the 744! I actually like the silver engines on the 742/3. And compare these to the JT9s which were on the 741.. But RR did a wonderful job with the Trents on the A345/6, especially in comparison to the hairdryers.



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User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2634 posts, RR: 4
Reply 71, posted (5 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 16995 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 70):
On Boeings, yes.. Especially the RB211s on the 744! I actually like the silver engines on the 742/3. And compare these to the JT9s which were on the 741.. But RR did a wonderful job with the Trents on the A345/6, especially in comparison to the hairdryers.

I always loved the GEs on the 767, 744s and MD11s. Stubby engines always looked off to me, hence my dislike (of the look of) the RB211s and the PW4000s. Nowadays it's harder to spot a visual difference - the 777s are all GE now (which is great), the A350 will be all RR, the 787 and A380 engines are indistinguishable, as far as I can tell. There's still the A330 where, again, I prefer the GE look, and I'm undecided on the A320CEO fleets between CFM and IAE. Not sure how that's going to change on the NEOs, but hopefully they'll have a different look.

There... how off-topic can you get? Though I'm sure this all relates to New Zealand aviation... somehow  


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 72, posted (5 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 16979 times:

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 71):
the 777s are all GE now

Only the 77W and 77L/F are all GE.. NZ's 77Es have Trents, to name one without GEs (in fact, a lot of 772/77E/773 models don't have GE engines). But as we move on in time, only the 77W/L/F/X will exist.

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 71):
There... how off-topic can you get? Though I'm sure this all relates to New Zealand aviation... somehow

Haha. NZ has had these types (742, 744, 77E, 77W). There, it ties in  



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User currently offlinegasman From New Zealand, joined Mar 2004, 854 posts, RR: 0
Reply 73, posted (5 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 16968 times:

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 71):
Stubby engines always looked off to me

      As well as the unfinished look with panels everywhere giving them the look of something cobbled together in a high school metalwork class...... talking about the RB2-11's here...........

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 71):
There... how off-topic can you get? Though I'm sure this all relates to New Zealand aviation... somehow

............. which NZ was forced to acquire for the 742's, as an EU "engines for butter" trade deal. Otherwise they would've chosen GE's, as maintenance was already tooled for them, having been used on the DC-10's.

Totally ties in!  


User currently offlinenirvarma From New Zealand, joined May 2005, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 74, posted (5 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 16927 times:

Anyone able to fill us in on Uzbekistan Airways 763 (VP-BUE) that arrived from KUL into CHC a couple of days ago? Was it here for maintenance or some kind of official visit.
Thanks


User currently offlinenascarnut From New Zealand, joined Oct 2008, 255 posts, RR: 2
Reply 75, posted (5 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 16929 times:

Quoting nirvarma (Reply 74):
Anyone able to fill us in on Uzbekistan Airways 763 (VP-BUE) that arrived from KUL into CHC a couple of days ago? Was it here for maintenance or some kind of official visit.

Charter to swap out deep sea fishing crews.
The operate service every few months.
Aircraft left today as UZ3512 to KUL.
Will return on the 1st Nov at 2300 as UZ3511 and depart on the 3rd as UZ3512 @ 1330 to KUL


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6909 posts, RR: 13
Reply 76, posted (5 months 3 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 16541 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 66):
Strange enough as it is, they just sent their Pokemon jet to the scrapyard.. Surely they could have used that/surely the 744 and 744D are under the same rating..

The 2 NH 744 machines at TUP are already well on the way to being broken up - Pokemon jet already engines off and being gutted after just a few days. I photographed them both today. They are joined by our old friend in this part of the world DQ-FJL who is likely now just a few days from the wrecking machine. She's up on blocks and robbed of all valuable parts.


User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2634 posts, RR: 4
Reply 77, posted (5 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 16447 times:

Quoting gasman (Reply 73):
............ which NZ was forced to acquire for the 742's, as an EU "engines for butter" trade deal. Otherwise they would've chosen GE's, as maintenance was already tooled for them, having been used on the DC-10's.

Interesting, I didn't know this. I wonder what drove the selection for the 744s. Probably the experience with RR and existing maintenance capabilities, but they seemed perfectly happy to move on to the GE on later leased deliveries, probably because of the GEs on the 767s.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 72):
Haha. NZ has had these types (742, 744, 77E, 77W). There, it ties in  

Smooth  


User currently offlineCHCalfonzo From New Zealand, joined Mar 2007, 177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 78, posted (5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 16349 times:

Does anyone know what the series of NZ A320 CHC-VLI-CHC flights over the past week have been in aid of? I think I've seen about 2 return flights so far with another scheduled for tomorrow morning.


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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 79, posted (5 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 16371 times:

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 77):
Interesting, I didn't know this.

And another thing I learnt this week was that NZ was really close to buying A346s... Imagine how different NZ would be if they had them flying around now (or maybe they would have been scrapped by now too)



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11855 posts, RR: 18
Reply 80, posted (5 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 16308 times:
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Runway extension needed for new Masterton service


A replacement air service for the soon to be axed Air New Zealand link between Masterton and Auckland could be up and running early in the new year.

However, considerable investment from the council and community is likely to be required.

Wairarapa MP John Hayes says the two suppliers that are being looked at both operate bigger plans than those used by Air NZ subsidiary Eagle Air for the Masterton to Auckland service.

In order to fly in and out of Masterton the runway would need to be extended nearly 200 metres to 1400m and also made an additional three metres wide to 30m.



http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post...n-needed-for-new-Masterton-service

Interesting that MRO believe they can make a service with a bigger aircraft work and justify spending more millions extending the runway. If NZ couldn't make a 1900D service work then how could a bigger aircraft work? Only service providers I can think of are Air Works (F27-500?) and Vincent with a Dash-8 or maybe just a J32?


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11855 posts, RR: 18
Reply 81, posted (5 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 16301 times:
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Quoting NZ107 (Reply 79):

Wouldn't be surprised if the A346 was offered with a A330/350 deal. A330 replacement for the B763s till the A350s arrive. IMHO an A346 fleet would be like the B744 fleet currently is, slowing getting smaller with every B77W that arrives. Instead of just saying goodbye to the B744 fleet right now, we would also be saying goodbye to an A346 fleet


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 82, posted (5 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 16239 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 81):
Wouldn't be surprised if the A346 was offered with a A330/350 deal.

This was before the 787 was offered so there'd have been no mention of a thing called the A350 back then.



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1754 posts, RR: 2
Reply 83, posted (5 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 16267 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 79):
And another thing I learnt this week was that NZ was really close to buying A346s... Imagine how different NZ would be if they had them flying around now (or maybe they would have been scrapped by now too)
Quoting 777ER (Reply 81):
Wouldn't be surprised if the A346 was offered with a A330/350 deal. A330 replacement for the B763s till the A350s arrive. IMHO an A346 fleet would be like the B744 fleet currently is, slowing getting smaller with every B77W that arrives. Instead of just saying goodbye to the B744 fleet right now, we would also be saying goodbye to an A346 fleet

If NZ ordered the 343 instead of the 77E, then the 346 would have a better chance. It doesn't make much sense to have 77E and 346. If NZ has both 343 and 346, I can't see they get replaced quickly as the cost of switching to 77W would be high.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 84, posted (5 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 16205 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 83):
If NZ ordered the 343 instead of the 77E, then the 346 would have a better chance. It doesn't make much sense to have 77E and 346. If NZ has both 343 and 346, I can't see they get replaced quickly as the cost of switching to 77W would be high.

NZ may have well ordered the A345/6 instead of the 77E, rather than have both the 343 and 346.



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4615 posts, RR: 5
Reply 85, posted (5 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 16126 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 79):
And another thing I learnt this week was that NZ was really close to buying A346s

The A346's entered service about 2005 , NZ had 744's at least 10 years before that . So my question is were they proposed as a 744 replacement ( if so, when ) because of their better cargo capacity and lower fuel burn?

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 77):
but they seemed perfectly happy to move on to the GE on later leased deliveries, probably because of the GEs on the 767s

This worked because of ETOPS considerations of the 767-300ER . They could run the engines so many hours on the 767 and finish their on wing life on the 744 before overhaul.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 86, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 16040 times:

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 85):
The A346's entered service about 2005 , NZ had 744's at least 10 years before that . So my question is were they proposed as a 744 replacement ( if so, when ) because of their better cargo capacity and lower fuel burn?

Probably a bit of a combination between that and growth, like what the 77Es provided - as they obviously wouldn't have bought both.



It's all about the destination AND the journey.
User currently offlineNZ747 From New Zealand, joined Dec 2004, 967 posts, RR: 4
Reply 87, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 15913 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 76):
They are joined by our old friend in this part of the world DQ-FJL who is likely now just a few days from the wrecking machine. She's up on blocks and robbed of all valuable parts.

Did you manage to get any pics that you can share?


User currently offlinekeen2fly From New Zealand, joined Jul 2010, 30 posts, RR: 1
Reply 88, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 15906 times:

"Auckland's $2.4 billion airport of the future"
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11150108

Sort of just digs up what we already know. But at least it's good to see SOME progress even if there is not commitments to any new builds yet.


User currently offlinekiwiinoz From New Zealand, joined Oct 2005, 2165 posts, RR: 5
Reply 89, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 15888 times:

Quoting keen2fly (Reply 88):
"Auckland's $2.4 billion airport of the future"
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...50108

The rail link is an interesting one as the trip to Auckland airport is such a drag. How many passengers make the rail linkk viable I wonder?


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11855 posts, RR: 18
Reply 90, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 15650 times:
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Now that the FAA have approved gate to gate electronic use of Ipads, Ipods, note books and digital readers, New Zealand's CAA is now looking at allowing it also

http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/9...gers-on-US-flights-can-use-gadgets

While this new rule wouldn't be of any use to aviation nerds during the take off sector with the roaring engine sounds, it will certainly be especially nice for Family's with children. About time the rules are changed to better reflect the improvements in aviation safety


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 91, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 15624 times:

Quoting keen2fly (Reply 88):

Interesting. I just wish they started already; especially on expanding the new international pier.


http://media.nzherald.co.nz/webconte...t/document/pdf/201344/airport1.pdf

That's the whole thing.. Page 30 is quite amusing. Perth is near Broome... And I don't know why this whole thing is based on a link with Guangzhou... But weirdly there's no photo like the one on the NZ Herald article.



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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24651 posts, RR: 86
Reply 92, posted (5 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 15598 times:
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Quoting NZ107 (Reply 91):
Page 30 is quite amusing. Perth is near Broome..

I liked that map - LOL - and the page headed Ambition 2020 is fun too, because it says they plan to grow to 4 million arrivals by 2020. I thought we'd already passed that by some measure.

The Herald reports the number as 40 million by 2020.  

mariner



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User currently offlineHLZCPH From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 93, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 15324 times:

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 85):
The A346's entered service about 2005 , NZ had 744's at least 10 years before that . So my question is were they proposed as a 744 replacement ( if so, when ) because of their better cargo capacity and lower fuel burn?

Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 77):
but they seemed perfectly happy to move on to the GE on later leased deliveries, probably because of the GEs on the 767s

This worked because of ETOPS considerations of the 767-300ER . They could run the engines so many hours on the 767 and finish their on wing life on the 744 before overhaul.

VS had a factory fresh A346 on display when I was at the Farnborough Airshow back in 2002, it was so big close up!

Apparently Qantas did the same with the ex BA 767-336 machines and their RR engines.



July, AKL-SFO-LAS-SFO-AKL. last ride in the NZ 744?
User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 94, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 15286 times:

What's happening at AKL? Planes circling, recue equipment on the runway.. QF 143 diverting to HLZ.

[Edited 2013-11-01 19:29:29]


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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6909 posts, RR: 13
Reply 95, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 15164 times:

Quoting NZ747 (Reply 87):

Yes I took a few of most of the stuff there. However im away still so maybe not until I get back to NZ


User currently offlineGlasgow From Australia, joined Sep 2005, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 96, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 15182 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 94):
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11150564


User currently offlinekeen2fly From New Zealand, joined Jul 2010, 30 posts, RR: 1
Reply 97, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 15096 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 91):

Interesting. I just wish they started already; especially on expanding the new international pier.

Me too, I really like the plan, but for so many years it has been just that. The second runway was tantalysingly close, then wham, off, just like that, it might not have made financial sense back then, but a single runway airport just leaves too little room for breathing space IMO. Just think about today when that aircraft left the runway, other aircraft had to circle and divert, maybe if the main taxiway was still commissioned as a runway the impact of such things would be less significant. Or if the second runway had been completed for small aircraft to land on, the larger traffic would not have been affected as much.

Another thing that I fear about the expansion project is that it could be diluted by slowly picking things off, until it ends up as simply slapping on another pier to the international terminal. I guess time will tell, but for the meantime we will have to put up with all this talk and not much walk.


User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 98, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 15051 times:

Peter Jackson has a new Gulfstream G650. This will be his third one, after a G450 and a G550. As ever, it is registered ZK-KFB. Nice plane. 
Quoting azzazzazza (Reply 65):

Anyone know whats happening with ZK-SUH at CHC today? Appears to be doing circuits on FlightAware and FlightRadar
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 66):
Flight crew training for NH

Sounds expensive. I think they used to do that up at Moses Lake, WA, USA.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 79):
And another thing I learnt this week was that NZ was really close to buying A346s

....If only. Would have looked amazing in the Pacific Wave livery.   

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 95):
Yes I took a few of most of the stuff there. However im away still so maybe not until I get back to NZ

I'd love to see some.

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 94):
What's happening at AKL? Planes circling, recue equipment on the runway.. QF 143 diverting to HLZ.
Quoting Glasgow (Reply 96):
What's happening at AKL? Planes circling, recue equipment on the runway.. QF 143 diverting to HLZ.

I'm told it was a Vincent Aviation Jetstream 31. Has since been towed back to the gate/ramp/hangar.



repaint ZK-PBG!
User currently offlineUnclekoru From New Zealand, joined Oct 2009, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 99, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 14863 times:

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 85):
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 79):
And another thing I learnt this week was that NZ was really close to buying A346s

The A346's entered service about 2005 , NZ had 744's at least 10 years before that . So my question is were they proposed as a 744 replacement ( if so, when ) because of their better cargo capacity and lower fuel burn?

It was a decision between the A346 or the 77W for the 744 replacement wan't it? There's a very large A340-600 model on display at the old Fonterra building at AKL airport in NZ colors. Great looking airplane.

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 85):
Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 77):
but they seemed perfectly happy to move on to the GE on later leased deliveries, probably because of the GEs on the 767s

This worked because of ETOPS considerations of the 767-300ER . They could run the engines so many hours on the 767 and finish their on wing life on the 744 before overhaul.

No expert, and not necessarily the only reason, but NZ were on record as saying the performance of the GE engines were superior to the RR engines on longer flights.

Quoting zkojq (Reply 98):
Quoting NZ107 (Reply 94):
What's happening at AKL? Planes circling, recue equipment on the runway.. QF 143 diverting to HLZ.
Quoting Glasgow (Reply 96):
What's happening at AKL? Planes circling, recue equipment on the runway.. QF 143 diverting to HLZ.

I'm told it was a Vincent Aviation Jetstream 31. Has since been towed back to the gate/ramp/hangar.


It's a J32. Ex ZK-ECN so a long history in this part of the world.



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User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4615 posts, RR: 5
Reply 100, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 14795 times:

Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 99):
It was a decision between the A346 or the 77W for the 744 replacement wan't it?

O.k. this jogs my memory. I believe this was part of the 77E and 787 decision when NZ took out options ( was it) on the 77W no doubt at a very good price.


User currently offlinePalmyboy12 From New Zealand, joined Oct 2011, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 101, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 14826 times:

Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 99):
There's a very large A340-600 model on display at the old Fonterra building at AKL airport in NZ colors.

Pictures please? Pretty pretty please with a double cherry and all the trimmings on top?

  
*licking my lips in anticipation*



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User currently offlineNZ747 From New Zealand, joined Dec 2004, 967 posts, RR: 4
Reply 102, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 14879 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 95):

Cheers mate. Would be interesting seeing FJL on death row. I spent some time inside her just before she went to TUP. I was the only one on the aircraft, it's power was off and seeing all those empty old seats in the dark with not a soul or sound on board was a very eerie feeling indeed.

Are there any pics of any of the Air NZ 744s getting broken up?


User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 103, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 14908 times:

Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 99):
It's a J32. Ex ZK-ECN so a long history in this part of the world.

Oops yes. Here is a photo of it being towed off the Runway.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/zk-ngj/10621825246/

Quoting NZ747 (Reply 102):
Are there any pics of any of the Air NZ 744s getting broken up?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/paullooby/4636650208/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/aeroprints/8971467058/
http://bit.ly/1bMeesg

Two of a.net's main rival sites have photos of ZK-NBU, ZK-NBT and -NBS being parted out. Unfortunately a.net doesn't let one post links to them.  

Here is a video of ZK-NBU's final landing at Goodyear airport in Arizona.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2f1gULdgmc

And here are ZK-NBT and ZK-NBU in the early stages of being parted out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X56aPB16BVE



repaint ZK-PBG!
User currently offlineUnclekoru From New Zealand, joined Oct 2009, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 104, posted (5 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 14807 times:

Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 100):
O.k. this jogs my memory. I believe this was part of the 77E and 787 decision when NZ took out options ( was it) on the 77W no doubt at a very good price.

Yes that's how I remember it too.

Quoting zkojq (Reply 103):
Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 99):
It's a J32. Ex ZK-ECN so a long history in this part of the world.

Oops yes. Here is a photo of it being towed off the Runway.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/zk-ngj/...5246/

Nice photo.



It sounds like english, but I can't understand a word you're saying
User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5200 posts, RR: 11
Reply 105, posted (5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 14555 times:

Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 99):
It was a decision between the A346 or the 77W for the 744 replacement wan't it?
Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 100):
O.k. this jogs my memory. I believe this was part of the 77E and 787 decision when NZ took out options ( was it) on the 77W no doubt at a very good price.

I very much doubt that NZ would have considered seriously the A346 as a 744 replacement once they had 77Es in the fleet. Most likely the 346 was being considered when they ordered the 77E 7E7. In this case I think they would have used a fleet of 8 346s to replace the 3 RR 744s and maybe a few 763s, rather they chose to refit all 8 744s and use the 77E to replace 4-5 763s and allow for expansion.

I remember hearing they almost ordered the A330 to, the A333 wouldn't have been much good then and even now with its lack of range for NZs routes, the A332 would have been ok for most of Asia, but a 2004/05 A332 wouldn't have done LAX/SFO with a viable enough payload I wouldn't think, YVR would have needed a 346.


User currently offlineHLZCPH From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 140 posts, RR: 0
Reply 106, posted (5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 14532 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 94):
What's happening at AKL? Planes circling, recue equipment on the runway.. QF 143 diverting to HLZ.

Ok, saw in the distance yesterday a white and red jet heading north on a climb power setting. Must have been QF 143 heading back to AKL. The noise of a jet around here always gets my attention.  



July, AKL-SFO-LAS-SFO-AKL. last ride in the NZ 744?
User currently offlineUnclekoru From New Zealand, joined Oct 2009, 287 posts, RR: 0
Reply 107, posted (5 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 14455 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 105):
Quoting Unclekoru (Reply 99):
It was a decision between the A346 or the 77W for the 744 replacement wan't it?
Quoting sunrisevalley (Reply 100):
O.k. this jogs my memory. I believe this was part of the 77E and 787 decision when NZ took out options ( was it) on the 77W no doubt at a very good price.

I very much doubt that NZ would have considered seriously the A346 as a 744 replacement once they had 77Es in the fleet. Most likely the 346 was being considered when they ordered the 77E 7E7. In this case I think they would have used a fleet of 8 346s to replace the 3 RR 744s and maybe a few 763s, rather they chose to refit all 8 744s and use the 77E to replace 4-5 763s and allow for expansion


You could well be correct, my recollection on this subject is not very clear. In fact the more I think about it, the more I suspect my memory is wrong. By the time the 77W was choosen, the race against the Airbus 4 holers has well and truly been won by Boeing. Sorry Sunrisevalley, I think I put you wrong there.



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 108, posted (5 months 2 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12680 times:

http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/cook-is...d-opened-up-other-airlines-5689938

So the RAR/Cook Islands issue is up for debate again.. And the Cook Islands say that there are 3 other airlines which could be in contention for this subsidy... I highly doubt it - who would operate LAX-RAR? I'm not sure if FJ would want to add that stop, even if it was 1x weekly. UA, AA and DL surely wouldn't start RAR before AKL. HA isn't direct to LAX/mainland USA. JQ? Thoughts?



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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6909 posts, RR: 13
Reply 109, posted (5 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 12483 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 108):
So the RAR/Cook Islands issue is up for debate again.. And the Cook Islands say that there are 3 other airlines which could be in contention for this subsidy

I'm gonna say probably NZ/VA/UA/HA are the most likely airlines, QF don't have the aircraft, nor I believe the inclination or they would already fly there and TN & FJ are from rival islands which would favour their own islands. In the news last night they were talking only of the AKL & LAX not SYD connections anyway. However, ask yourself what aircraft VA could use to maintain a link to the US, and they're out. HA & UA have the US markets, but I doubt they would want to continue to AKL. UA has the 788 which is probably ideal, but they would probably rather use them to NRT/PVG/Chengdu.

I believe the most likely outcome is for NZ to maintain both, or else it will be split between two carriers, NZ for NZ/AU and for argument's sake HA for the US.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 110, posted (5 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 12406 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 109):
TN & FJ are from rival islands which would favour their own islands

This article came out yesterday too: http://www.fijitimes.com/story.aspx?id=250417
So if that was the case, there's no way an A330 to LAX would have sufficient capacity for both Fiji and Cook Islands' cargo. Also, is the RAR runway long enough for the A343?

I'm sure AKL-USA would be far more profitable for UA using the 787 in the first place, yet they still haven't shown any signs of wanting to return after the WN issue.

I just don't see any other airline than NZ doing it.. They can prove me wrong but I think there's not really any other way about it.



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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6909 posts, RR: 13
Reply 111, posted (5 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 12291 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 110):
I just don't see any other airline than NZ doing it.. They can prove me wrong but I think there's not really any other way about it.

Even at 13 million, it's much cheaper than restarting the Cook Island International brand or growing the Air Rarotonga airline. I agree with you, I recall the same tactic last time, and indeed the time before that.


User currently offlineWSTAKL From New Zealand, joined Jun 2011, 98 posts, RR: 0
Reply 112, posted (5 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 12240 times:

$900 rtn CHC-AKL over the Bruce Springsteen concert weekend. Get in quick folks! Yeah yeah NZ are a business therefore a profit has to be made, but come on that's taking things a little to far.

[Edited 2013-11-06 18:29:10]

User currently offlineCHCalfonzo From New Zealand, joined Mar 2007, 177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 113, posted (5 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 12213 times:

Quoting WSTAKL (Reply 112):

$900 rtn CHC-AKL over the Bruce Springsteen concert weekend. Get in quick folks! Yeah yeah NZ are a business therefore a profit has to be made, but come on that's taking things a little to far.

What are you on about, I can see plenty of $200-$300 each way fares that weekend. What's unreasonable about that? All the JQ fares are $200-$300 aswell.



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11855 posts, RR: 18
Reply 114, posted (5 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 12134 times:
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Quoting WSTAKL (Reply 112):

Its also known as supply and demand! NZ and JQ have noticed/can see a big demand for flights over that period, just like over Christmas etc. Hotels do it all the time over the busy periods. Yes its unfair but its economics


User currently offlinezkojq From New Zealand, joined Sep 2011, 1061 posts, RR: 1
Reply 115, posted (5 months 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 12120 times:

First 787-9 route announced: AKL-PER. Cabin configuration has been announced also.

18 in business premier.
21 in premium economy.
263 in economy. (32 inch seat pitch, 17.2 inches wide).

302 seats total.


http://theflyingsocialnetwork.com/site/article/auckland-perth-787
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11153204

Quoting zkojq (Reply 98):

Peter Jackson has a new Gulfstream G650. This will be his third one, after a G450 and a G550. As ever, it is registered ZK-KFB. Nice plane.

And I've found a photo.
http://gulfstreamjets.blogspot.co.nz/2013/10/g650-for-new-zealand.html



[Edited 2013-11-06 21:04:05]

[Edited 2013-11-06 21:04:35]


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User currently offlinetexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4266 posts, RR: 52
Reply 116, posted (5 months 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 11906 times:

Quoting CHCalfonzo (Reply 113):

Quoting WSTAKL (Reply 112):

$900 rtn CHC-AKL over the Bruce Springsteen concert weekend. Get in quick folks! Yeah yeah NZ are a business therefore a profit has to be made, but come on that's taking things a little to far.

What are you on about, I can see plenty of $200-$300 each way fares that weekend. What's unreasonable about that? All the JQ fares are $200-$300 aswell.

And still $300-$350 return from WLG. Looks like I need to book some flights--going to both shows!

Texan



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User currently offlinekoruman From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 3528 posts, RR: 5
Reply 117, posted (5 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 11864 times:

I understand that Air Tahiti Nui has already entered into negotiations with the Cook Islands government about three different possibilities:

1) Extending LAX-PPT onto RAR once or twice each week.
2) Opening a SYD-RAR-PPT route.
3) Operating an LAX-RAR-LAX service once weekly.

I would guess that the first and second options could both be done with the underwriting cost for the Cook Islands government being far less than the existing $13 million, because in effect only a RAR-PPT sector would be underwritten.

Previously Air New Zealand was able to hold a gun to the heads of the Pacific island governments for these services and extract outrageous sums (like $13 million for one weekly flight).

But Air Tahiti Nui's own low utilisation and problems means that they now have competition.

Personally, the attempted extortion of the Samoan government is the example that left the worst taste in my mouth. On the day in which Peter Fatialofa is coming home from Apia for the final time it saddens me that Air New Zealand treated Samoa the way it did with respect to their link to Los Angeles. I'm ashamed of that behaviour. Being the big brother comes with responsibilities, yet the previous Air NZ management just saw it as an opportunity to stand over the smaller siblings and threaten them with the consequences if they didn't hand over their meagre amounts of money. Robin Hood in reverse.

Pacific island long-haul services should be a multi-lateral issue between Air New Zealand, the Pacific Island government in question and the NZ government, with appropriate recompense for the carrier. It should not be reduced to the law of the jungle with Air New Zealand in the role of the carnivore.

[Edited 2013-11-07 01:37:30]

User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 118, posted (5 months 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 11842 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 117):

I'd like to know what the capability of the A343 is in and out of the 2.3km runway at RAR. That could be a decently sized hurdle to at least the RAR-LAX flights and maybe it'll be something which is overlooked by the Cook Islands Govt and they'll be trapped for 4 years with a weight restricted plane. SXM has a similar length runway but it flies to CUR in order to refuel for the flight back to CDG. CDG-SXM is shorter than RAR-LAX.



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User currently offlinekoruman From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 3528 posts, RR: 5
Reply 119, posted (5 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 11854 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 118):
I'd like to know what the capability of the A343 is in and out of the 2.3km runway at RAR. That could be a decently sized hurdle to at least the RAR-LAX flights and maybe it'll be something which is overlooked by the Cook Islands Govt and they'll be trapped for 4 years with a weight restricted plane.

I seriously doubt that there would be LAX-RAR-LAX flights on TN.

I suspect that the whole exercise in the first instance is to try to extract a better deal from Air New Zealand.

And that if that doesn't work, what we will see is operation of the following flights on Air Tahiti Nui:

PPT-LAX-PPT-RAR-PPT-SYD-RAR-PPT-LAX

That basically gets a direct link to both Los Angeles and Sydney, but massively reduces the risk to the operating carrier because:

SYD-RAR is a flight which also carries passengers from Australia to Tahiti.

PPT-RAR-PPT is two short sectors which are relatively cheap to operate, and carry passengers as follows:

PPT-RAR
1) Americans flying to Rarotonga
2) Australians returning home from Tahiti

RAR-PPT
1) Americans returning home from Rarotonga
2) Australians flying onwards to a holiday in Tahiti.

There is no sector ex-Rarotonga longer than 1100 km, so I doubt that restrictions would apply.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 120, posted (5 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 11817 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 119):

And that if that doesn't work, what we will see is operation of the following flights on Air Tahiti Nui:

PPT-LAX-PPT-RAR-PPT-SYD-RAR-PPT-LAX

If that's what's proposed, I think we might just get to see how stuck up the Cook Islands Govt is.. Whether they accept this (with the consequence of having stops in PPT) for a cheaper price or stick with NZ. PPT-RAR is the same distance as AKL-IVC - 2 hours.

Quoting koruman (Reply 119):
SYD-RAR is a flight which also carries passengers from Australia to Tahiti.

Since TN pulled out of SYD, there's no Australia-PPT flight now, is there.. Was that due to the fact that TN needed to cut routes more so than the demand out of Australia? Maybe they could operate both nonstop and via RAR if their fleet utilisation allowed for it..



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User currently offlinekoruman From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 3528 posts, RR: 5
Reply 121, posted (5 months 2 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 11778 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 120):
Since TN pulled out of SYD, there's no Australia-PPT flight now, is there.. Was that due to the fact that TN needed to cut routes more so than the demand out of Australia? Maybe they could operate both nonstop and via RAR if their fleet utilisation allowed for it..

The problem was that they bungled the opening of their Sydney route by making it a SYD-PPT-JFK-CDG flight, and they got slaughtered on the JFK sectors.

They then drew back and closed the Sydney and JFK sectors..........just as the Australian dollar appreciated to a point where outward travel from Australia to Bora Bora was about to become much more viable.

Air Tahiti Nui operates by a weird mix of commercial expediency and political patronage. They got substantial government support to buy too many A343s and then had to be bailed out for the cost of their failed expansion.

Reopening PPT-SYD would be viewed as a slap in the face for the government, so it couldn't happen. But PPT-RAR-SYD underwritten by someone else's government? That could be politically viable.


User currently offlinexiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 783 posts, RR: 0
Reply 122, posted (5 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 11737 times:

http://www.voxy.co.nz/business/airli...al-kiwi-designed-skycouch/5/173249

NZ has finally signed a licensing agreement to sell Skycouch to another airline which is based in Asia. NZ is not naming that airline but how many of you think it's CX?

[Edited 2013-11-07 05:32:59]

User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 123, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 11622 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 121):

Someone screwed up.. I guess time will tell with that one.. Though whether they're successful in the first place is another story. I could see NZ continuing with SYD-RAR as it is; but I wasn't initially aware that it was part of the agreement?

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 122):
NZ has finally signed a licensing agreement to sell Skycouch to another airline which is based in Asia. NZ is not naming that airline but how many of you think it's CX?

Interesting.. But I don't see why CX would want/need a product like the skycouch.. Let the speculation continue. Most likely a premium airline as the likes of Air Asia probably wouldn't want that extra weight in their planes and also have to increase the legroom. BR? It may seem too culturally sensitive for MH/GA/BI.



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User currently offlineSelandiaBaru From Indonesia, joined Oct 2013, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 124, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 11527 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 123):
Interesting.. But I don't see why CX would want/need a product like the skycouch.. Let the speculation continue. Most likely a premium airline as the likes of Air Asia probably wouldn't want that extra weight in their planes and also have to increase the legroom. BR? It may seem too culturally sensitive for MH/GA/BI.

Yeah CX seems highly unlikely. I agree BR seems possible. I don't even think they'd need to increase the pitch in their economy cabins on the 77W to make it work.


User currently offlinePalmyboy12 From New Zealand, joined Oct 2011, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 125, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 11389 times:

Quoting zkojq (Reply 115):


First 787-9 route announced: AKL-PER.

Are there really no training flights - no short trans Tasman or domestic hops? Or have the crew trained enough in the new 787 interior mockup?

Then again, I'm confused as this route map shows an AKL-CHC sector (http://www.airnewzealand.co.nz/futuretakingflight/#!wherewefly)...just looking for an opportunity to try the long-anticipated Dreamliner without biting into over half of my accumulated savings   Or maybe I could head to Cashconverters and get cash now...   



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User currently offlinecchan From New Zealand, joined May 2003, 1754 posts, RR: 2
Reply 126, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 11382 times:

Quoting Palmyboy12 (Reply 125):
Then again, I'm confused as this route map shows an AKL-CHC sector

NZ90 NRT-CHC-AKL


User currently offlinesunrisevalley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4615 posts, RR: 5
Reply 127, posted (5 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 11246 times:

Quoting Palmyboy12 (Reply 125):
Are there really no training flights - no short trans Tasman or domestic hops? Or have the crew trained enough in the new 787 interior mockup?

Assuming they take delivery of the first aircraft in July, they are going to have 3-months of training flights till mid-October when the Perth service starts. I assume these will be trans-Tasman revenue flights as before with other new type introductions.


User currently offlinePalmyboy12 From New Zealand, joined Oct 2011, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 128, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 11155 times:

Quoting cchan (Reply 126):

NZ90 NRT-CHC-AKL

Is the CHC-AKL segment only of the route bookable? Because I've checked the Air New Zealand website and though it shows up on the schedule (11.15am departure from CHC on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Sundays during the summer months if I'm not wrong) I cannot seem to find it when I tried a mock booking CHC-AKL.



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User currently offlineCHCalfonzo From New Zealand, joined Mar 2007, 177 posts, RR: 0
Reply 129, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 11142 times:

Quoting Palmyboy12 (Reply 128):
Is the CHC-AKL segment only of the route bookable? Because I've checked the Air New Zealand website and though it shows up on the schedule (11.15am departure from CHC on Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Sundays during the summer months if I'm not wrong) I cannot seem to find it when I tried a mock booking CHC-AKL.

It is not bookable as a stand alone domestic leg, however you can get on it if you are connecting internationally in AKL. It is well timed to connect to PER.



Piper power!
User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 844 posts, RR: 0
Reply 130, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 11106 times:

ZK-MVD appears to be on it's way. SXI1348 on www.flightradar24.com just west of Bahrain at 25,000 ft -- no aircraft type -- is following the same route as MVB and MVC. Delivery just six days after the first flight on 01 November as F-WWEF.

PA515


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 131, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 10914 times:

Talk in the Australian forum that AR is pulling out of EZE-SYD next year.. Time for NZ to seriously consider EZE or GIG/GRU? If this happens, Oneworld will be the only way to get from Aus/NZ to South America.


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User currently onlinebyronicle6 From New Zealand, joined Oct 2011, 354 posts, RR: 0
Reply 132, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 10846 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 131):

Maybe its a sign that it is a difficult market to make work


User currently offlineaotearoa From New Zealand, joined May 2005, 116 posts, RR: 0
Reply 133, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10854 times:

In regard to initial ANZ 787 operations, I gather that the airline intends to schedule ad hoc services across the Tasman between AKL and SYD. I imagine we'll see a very conservative operation over the first few weeks (maybe only a daily AKL SYD AKL), which will ultimately move to the double daily routine, ahead of the AKL PER AKL operation kicking off.

So, we'll have to keep you all informed way closer to delivery (whenever that ulitimatley occurres next year), so that you can jump on line the day before the first revenue flight and get aboard; if that is what you are interested in!


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11855 posts, RR: 18
Reply 134, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10827 times:
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Quoting aotearoa (Reply 133):

I would certainly be interested in either a domestic or Tasman (SYD etc) sector. Hopefully NZ shows off the aircraft in WLG like they did with the 77W


User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 135, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10847 times:

Quoting 777ER (Reply 134):
Hopefully NZ shows off the aircraft in WLG like they did with the 77W

Provided WLG doesn't scare them off with all there 789 will give us longhual from WLG.


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6909 posts, RR: 13
Reply 136, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10786 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 131):
Talk in the Australian forum that AR is pulling out of EZE-SYD next year.. Time for NZ to seriously consider EZE or GIG/GRU? If this happens, Oneworld will be the only way to get from Aus/NZ to South America.

I don't buy that. They have taken up the ex SQ 345 fleet of 5 for exactly that role. Otherwise they would just have standardised on a 330 fleet.

Also the reason CZ delayed their flight last night was related to 787 ETOPS restrictions around the Typhoon in the Philippines. Whatever happens, I think you can be rest assured it may take a while to qualify a 787 for the route.


User currently offlinekoruman From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 3528 posts, RR: 5
Reply 137, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10755 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 136):
I don't buy that. They have taken up the ex SQ 345 fleet of 5 for exactly that role. Otherwise they would just have standardised on a 330 fleet.

It could be that they see the A345s are intended to be more efficient (relative, I know) aircraft to Europe.

By the way, on the NZ789 thread I've written how I believe NZ could maximise their market and minimise the risk to South America.

The short version is:

Close AKL-PPT
Operate scissor-hubbed SYD-PPT-GRU and AKL-PPT-EZE flights three or four times each week.

There probably aren't 304 people wanting to fly AKL-EZE.

There probably are:
70 AKL-Brazil
50 AKL-Argentina/Uruguay
130 AKL-PPT
30 BNE/MEL-GRU
20 BNE/MEL-EZE

The scissor hub would combine multiple markets while also keeping fuel costs under control.


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 844 posts, RR: 0
Reply 138, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 10745 times:

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 136):
They have taken up the ex SQ 345 fleet of 5 for exactly that role.

There's been no AR announcement about getting 345's. There may have been inquiries, but nothing appears to have been signed.

Also www.argentina-airline-news.blogspot.co.nz has been silent about any 345's for AR.

PA515


User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6909 posts, RR: 13
Reply 139, posted (5 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10712 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 138):
There's been no AR announcement about getting 345's. There may have been inquiries, but nothing appears to have been signed.

While I accept that AR may not have a published press release, it does appear to be relatively concrete, with the aircraft already positioned to LDE for repainting

http://www.ch-aviation.ch/portal/new...rst-ex-singapore-airlines-a340-500

A340-500 For Aerolineas Argentinas (by na Oct 28 2013 in Civil Aviation)


User currently offlinexiaotung From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 783 posts, RR: 0
Reply 140, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 10064 times:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/indu...Unique-battle-for-Virgin-Australia

An interesting article from this morning. It looks like VA is not doing too well financially and privatisation is highly likely. The best scenario for me as a traveller is SQ and NZ jointly take over VA and bring it into Star Alliance.


User currently offlineaxio From New Zealand, joined Jul 2006, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 141, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 10025 times:

You’ll have to excuse this for being a bit ranty… but I wasn’t feeling very impressed this morning. One thing I will mention though, is that this is a criticism of the organization rather than the people – the staff I interacted with today were all very helpful and seemed genuinely interested in solving the problems.

Has NZ taken cost-cutting and ‘efficiency’ too far at the expense of providing an air service?
I was booked on NZ5216 from PMR to AKL this morning which was cancelled due to a flight attendant being ill and the preceding flight therefore being unable to leave AKL.

This explanation astounded me – I would have expected there to be a hot-replacement for an FA at a big destination like AKL. I grant it isn’t a big ATR base, but certainly the idea of creating this level of inconvenience due to someone being ill makes me think NZ might be running their staff levels a bit too thin.

I was to be put onto an 1130 from PMR, but fortunately there was space on a service through HLZ leaving at 0940 where we unfortunately met problem number two. I suppose HLZ staff aren’t used to transfers, but our bags were put on the arrivals belt at HLZ and were still there when we boarded the aircraft. I notified the gate staff and that seemed to get them on board. I would have expected there would be procedures such as a count to ensure bags made it on, or were identified as needing transfer - it is possible we hadn’t reached the point where they kick in.

If this was my first recent experience then it would make for a yarn and nothing more, but it isn’t. I can think of only one of my last five NZ flights that ran to time: A couple of months ago I spent 3 and a half hours at PMR on a Sunday following a cancellation due to mechanical problems; another flight was late from earlier weather problems; one for current conditions; and one late international due to incoming connections.

So I can’t tell how much of this is bad luck and how much is systemic, but I’ve had quite a run of poor timing experiences with NZ and I feel there is room for improvement. If the airline is so ‘efficient’ it can’t have spare crew on stand-by or close-by at AKL, or if it can’t find another aircraft and crew for one that has gone tech on a Sunday then perhaps it is weighing too heavily on efficiency and not heavily enough on customer service. But then… what is the other choice?



Time for a new viewing deck at AKL!
User currently offlinekoruman From Australia, joined Feb 2006, 3528 posts, RR: 5
Reply 142, posted (5 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 9970 times:

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 140):
The best scenario for me as a traveller is SQ and NZ jointly take over VA and bring it into Star Alliance.

Best for me too, but if anything SkyTeam seems more likely to me.

My only issue with the repositioning when Borghetti took over was the rebrand from Virgin Blue to Virgin Australia.

I'd have preferred a less Virgin-aligned brand such as "One Australian".


User currently offlineSCL767 From Chile, joined Feb 2006, 8609 posts, RR: 5
Reply 143, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 9575 times:
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Two LAN A343s currently en route to AKL. CC-CQA operating the usual SYD-AKL sector and CC-CQF operating as LA9903 from SIN to AKL:
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/LAN9903


User currently offlinePA515 From New Zealand, joined Nov 2007, 844 posts, RR: 0
Reply 144, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 9246 times:

ZK-MVD arrived BNE about two hours ago. It has the same colour scheme as MVB and MVC, without the Tourism NZ fern logo.
Photo http://ybbn.blogspot.com.au

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User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3038 posts, RR: 9
Reply 145, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9194 times:

Quoting koruman (Reply 142):
I'd have preferred a less Virgin-aligned brand such as "One Australian".

And have Pauline Hanson front the advertising campaign?   



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User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 146, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 9196 times:

Tomorrow is scheduled to be the final Air Pacific 747-400 flight, to AKL.. ETA 1500, ETD 1615. Then not long after, it'll be on its way to Tupelo like its sister DQ-FJL.


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User currently offlinehaggis73 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2010, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 147, posted (5 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8976 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 146):
Tomorrow is scheduled to be the final Air Pacific 747-400 flight, to AKL.. ETA 1500, ETD 1615. Then not long after, it'll be on its way to Tupelo like its sister DQ-FJL.

Looks like it is now cancelled.


User currently offlinehaggis73 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2010, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 148, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 8916 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 146):
Tomorrow is scheduled to be the final Air Pacific 747-400 flight, to AKL.. ETA 1500, ETD 1615. Then not long after, it'll be on its way to Tupelo like its sister DQ-FJL.
Quoting haggis73 (Reply 147):
Looks like it is now cancelled.

Man, this is hard to keep up with the airport information screens. Looks like it is back on again.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 149, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 8882 times:

Quoting haggis73 (Reply 148):

Man, this is hard to keep up with the airport information screens. Looks like it is back on again.

Haha.. Don't forget they run on Fiji Time!  



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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6909 posts, RR: 13
Reply 150, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 8863 times:

Quoting haggis73 (Reply 148):
Man, this is hard to keep up with the airport information screens. Looks like it is back on again.

Look for FJK on FJ413/412. Flights merged into one.


User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2634 posts, RR: 4
Reply 151, posted (5 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 8525 times:

Quoting PA515 (Reply 144):
It has the same colour scheme as MVB and MVC, without the Tourism NZ fern logo.

Strange - don't tell me they haven't figured out how to apply it to the Link fleet... or even, thery're going to keep the Link livery separate. Maybe?

Quoting aerorobnz (Reply 139):
While I accept that AR may not have a published press release, it does appear to be relatively concrete, with the aircraft already positioned to LDE for repainting

LDE is also a reasonably sized storage airport for large jets.


User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 152, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 8477 times:

There's an Evergreen 744 in AKL today, scheduled to leave at 2315. Get it while you can because the company may fold at the end of the month.

http://mrcaviation.blogspot.co.nz/20...rgreen-international-aviation.html



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User currently offlineaerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6909 posts, RR: 13
Reply 153, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8351 times:

Quoting NZ107 (Reply 152):
There's an Evergreen 744 in AKL today, scheduled to leave at 2315. Get it while you can because the company may fold at the end of the month.

There's going to be an Elephant onboard travelling to a new home in USA. That leaves only one Elephant left in the whole of NZ.


User currently offlinegytr31 From New Zealand, joined Aug 2011, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 154, posted (5 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 8373 times:

A fantastical picture heading up the main page today, a new Mount Cook ATR alongside an Emirates 380 for a scale comparison!


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Photo © T.Laurent



User currently offlinenz2 From New Zealand, joined Aug 2007, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 155, posted (5 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7895 times:

Quoting axio (Reply 141):
So I can’t tell how much of this is bad luck and how much is systemic, but I’ve had quite a run of poor timing experiences with NZ and I feel there is room for improvement. If the airline is so ‘efficient’ it can’t have spare crew on stand-by or close-by at AKL, or if it can’t find another aircraft and crew for one that has gone tech on a Sunday then perhaps it is weighing too heavily on efficiency and not heavily enough on customer service. But then… what is the other choice?


Along the same lines, my recent return flight from HNL to AKL was delayed a day due to the 767 going tech 2 days prior to the flight and a 772 being subbed in. Due to the upgraded plane they did not have the right aircrew in HNL for the return flight hence they delayed the return 12 hours and used the same crew. Being a full 767 it would be about 230 pax, at least $50 each for the accomodation, $15 each for breakfast and I did not partake in dinner but say $20. That is $85 a head and works out to about USD20k. Would it not have been cheaper option to fly a few extra crew up the day before (HA or QF) to add to the crew already waiting to take the return flight? Plus you save the capital cost of the plane on the ground for 12 hours. However I rather enjoyed another night at Waikiki so no complaints from me on that side...


User currently offlineAndrensn From New Zealand, joined Jun 2012, 66 posts, RR: 0
Reply 156, posted (5 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 7329 times:

The government has started to sell of more of its stake in Airnz to bring its shareholding down to 51%
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/n...ticle.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11158618


User currently offlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5200 posts, RR: 11
Reply 157, posted (5 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 7274 times:

Quoting nz2 (Reply 155):
my recent return flight from HNL to AKL was delayed a day due to the 767 going tech 2 days prior to the flight and a 772 being subbed in.

I remember this, I would have my doubts that they would have known the 763 would still be broken 2 days later, I'd say they would have planned on the 763 being fixed but since it wasn't NZ took what they saw as plan B.


User currently offlinenz2 From New Zealand, joined Aug 2007, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 158, posted (5 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 7071 times:

Quoting ZK-NBT (Reply 157):
I remember this, I would have my doubts that they would have known the 763 would still be broken 2 days later, I'd say they would have planned on the 763 being fixed but since it wasn't NZ took what they saw as plan B.

Fair point


User currently offlinemotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3038 posts, RR: 9
Reply 159, posted (5 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6764 times:

Quoting Andrensn (Reply 156):
The government has started to sell of more of its stake in Airnz to bring its shareholding down to 51%

Not to nitpick but the Govt will sell down their shareholding to 53% of the total. I personally think this is very well timed and offers no disadvantage to the people of New Zealand, unlike the sale of the power companies.

Also, they're selling at a 5-year high, which is great.



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User currently offlineaerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2634 posts, RR: 4
Reply 160, posted (5 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6373 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 166):
I wasn't aware of that and I think it is an excellent thing.

Though it does repress the value of the shares - adding restrictions always do. And they're pretty pointless restrictions... what exactly are they trying to achieve by doing so? Are we selling the shareholding at a discount to satisfy some xenophobic urge?

What would be the harm of NZ having Etihad as a 40 per cent shareholder, as opposed to 9.999 per cent? NZ would suddenly be part of a large multi-airline grouping that has virtually limitless access to debt and is spread across the globe... bringing with it all the benefits of bulk discounts in procurement (buy your planes in bulk!), expertise, scheduling arrangements, freight opportunities, not to mention the options available for passengers.

Quoting xiaotung (Reply 163):
Would NZ really want EY to have any influence on the future direction of the airline? Wouldn't that defeat the purpose of investing heavily in VA which prevents EY taking control?

You're assuming that's why NZ is expanding its shareholding in VA. But what if in buying up Virgin in bulk NZ is actually trying to woo an investor like SQ or EY to take ownership in itself? Essentially NZ is making itself - always the more peripheral of the two - more palatable, thereby enabling SQ or EY to indirectly secure more of Virgin. So Virgin would be the prize... and NZ the extra you have to take on board. Though it helps it's the more profitable at the moment (with virtually nil growth prospects mind you).

I think there's a longer game at play here and, as usual, the government is standing in the way... remember Cullen thwarting SQ's efforts to recapitalise NZ and a stricken AN? Convenient path to renationalisation and a decade long freeze in relations between NZ and SQ. Good ol gummint!


User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24651 posts, RR: 86
Reply 161, posted (5 months 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6366 times:
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Quoting aerokiwi (Reply 160):
But what if in buying up Virgin in bulk NZ is actually trying to woo an investor like SQ or EY to take ownership in itself?

That seems like a stretch and I surely hope there is no truth to it.

mariner



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User currently offlinezkncj From New Zealand, joined Nov 2005, 401 posts, RR: 0
Reply 162, posted (5 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6331 times:

Does anyone know how to by the AIR shares on the NZX? it seems like they are makeing near impossible to snap up any shares.

User currently offlineNZ107 From New Zealand, joined Jul 2005, 6338 posts, RR: 39
Reply 163, posted (5 months 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6320 times:

Quoting zkncj (Reply 162):
Does anyone know how to by the AIR shares on the NZX? it seems like they are makeing near impossible to snap up any shares.

They sell them to institutions to onsell to their clients. The first chance for you as an individual to buy them will be on Wednesday morning, when the trading halt is removed. And it