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American Airlines First A321  
User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10743 posts, RR: 31
Posted (9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 53938 times:

Here it is! Seen in XFW yesterday.

Aircraft data: MSN 5834, test registration D‑AVZK, to be N101NN.


A321 American by Jos Leendertse, on Flickr


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User currently offlineBlueshamu330s From UK - England, joined Sep 2001, 2864 posts, RR: 25
Reply 1, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 54002 times:

        

I am genuinely excited about this.

I'm so looking forward to seeing her complete and how she looks when fully fitted out.

Rgds



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User currently offlineAM777LR From Mexico, joined Sep 2013, 206 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 53871 times:
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I can't wait!! The new livery will look amazing!

User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5449 posts, RR: 29
Reply 3, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 53872 times:

I'm looking forward to this, but I'm more looking forward to the A321NEO. I think it'll look awesome with the larger power plants.

-Dave



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User currently offlineMesaFlyGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 2937 posts, RR: 4
Reply 4, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 53841 times:
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It's funny, I'm not the biggest fan of the new livery, but the a321 is going to look amazing! The Sharklets help it a lot.

Can't wait to see this beauty at JFK and can wait even less to try it out! How MAny times can I say I've flown on an a321 with a smaller economy cabin than some RJs I've been on!      



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User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3740 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 53721 times:
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Quoting Blueshamu330s (Reply 1):
I am genuinely excited about this.

Me too. But if I fly transcon to LAX or SFO from JFK I would still choose to fly on a 767 even if I've already been on it many times. Simply because the 767 will be pulled out of these routes soon. The last 200 leaves the fleet in May of 2014. I can fly on the 321 later, when JFK-LAX and JFK-SFO will both be all A321 in a year from now. I'll get to see those all the time for many years to come if I live in New York.

Quoting Blueshamu330s (Reply 1):
I'm so looking forward to seeing her complete and how she looks when fully fitted out.

I have no doubt it will be a great airplane, but I would still choose to fly on a 767 for the reason I explain above.

Thanks KarelXWB for posting the picture. For those who are anxiously waiting to experience flying on this new airplane with American, transcon JFK-LAX service starts in January of 2014.

Ben Soriano



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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2191 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 53637 times:

Was wondering when it was gonna roll out. Thanks for sharing the pic.


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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10743 posts, RR: 31
Reply 7, posted (9 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 53631 times:

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 3):
I'm looking forward to this, but I'm more looking forward to the A321NEO. I think it'll look awesome with the larger power plants.

No doubt, this illustration says it all:




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User currently onlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4422 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 52955 times:

I'm hoping that at some point some of these premium configured A321s show up on MIA-LAX-MIA.

User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3385 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 52613 times:

Great to see, I am extremely excited by this aircraft. It will be fun to fly. What is it 105 seats in three classes on a narrow body? AA is getting creative on a very difficult route and I wish them luck. It keeps the industry on their toes.

Also, agree that the engines look a little petite. The larger engines will help the aesthetics.

tortugamon


User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2350 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 52180 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 8):
I'm hoping that at some point some of these premium configured A321s show up on MIA-LAX-MIA.

Hopefully not. I would rather have the 777s and 763 that AA currently operates between LAX-MIA.



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User currently offlinearielwar From United States of America, joined Aug 2013, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 52045 times:

How many a321t will be delivered before the regular configured a321?

User currently offlineMikey86 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 51773 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 7):
No doubt, this illustration says it all:

Isn't the ground clearance of just 46cm a bit of a worry? Especially on take-off and landing? This would increase the risk of scrapes if the pilot pitches the aircraft just a fraction too far.



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User currently onlineN62NA From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4422 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 51557 times:

Quoting Byrdluvs747 (Reply 10):

Hopefully not. I would rather have the 777s and 763 that AA currently operates between LAX-MIA.

Oh, I'm not hoping the 777s stop running on MIA-LAX-MIA. Just hoping that these special "JFK-LAX/SFO" A321s at some point replace the 738/757 that they run on the route. The 763s... I avoid them, though if the new J class will match the new 772 J class then I'd be OK with riding their 763 once again.


User currently offlineflightsimer From United States of America, joined Aug 2009, 540 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 51125 times:

Quoting Mikey86 (Reply 12):

Pitching up will cause the entire engine to raise further off the ground no matter what the pitch angle is due to it being ahead of the pivot point (main landing gear). The only time it might possibly hit the ground is if they pull a SWA and land nose first or if maybe all the mains are flat and they slam it in. Just depends on the amount of travel there is between the typical compression of the strut and a completely compressed strut (which I don't know the number).

I personally don't like the size increase aesthetically. It looks really close to the fuselage width from the front and appears funny to me. I typically love huge engines too.



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11428 posts, RR: 61
Reply 15, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 51088 times:

The more I see the new livery and logo, the more I like it. Unlike some, I actually think the new livery looks particularly excellent on the A319s. I very much look forward to seeing these A321s - outside and especially inside.

User currently offlineetops1 From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 1069 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 48856 times:

A321 seating chart released .


User currently offlineMesaFlyGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 2937 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 48740 times:
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Quoting etops1 (Reply 16):

I'm sorry but I'll never get used to seeing Economy occupying 30% of the plane! Great idea, just weird-looking.



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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5186 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 48664 times:

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 17):
I'm sorry but I'll never get used to seeing Economy occupying 30% of the plane!

I guess you missed this one then  http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Bri...British_Airways_Boeing_777-200.php



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User currently offlineMesaFlyGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 2937 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 48657 times:
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Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 18):
I guess you missed this one then http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Bri...0.php

Yes I did actually!     and yeah, that's an interesting one too! Now I'm starting to understand how they can do 8 daily flights from JFK to LHR with little AA connections!  



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User currently offlinenethkt From Thailand, joined Apr 2001, 1068 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 46987 times:

The Japanese can fly an even more premium aircraft long haul!

http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/ANA/ANA_Boeing_777-300ER_D.php

This ANA 77W has just 112 Economy class seats!! Take barely 1/3 space of the aircraft, almost just 1/4.
They have less Economy class seats than each Southwest flight!



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User currently offlinehotplane From UK - England, joined Jul 2006, 1037 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 44765 times:

They've gone for IAE the same as Finnair.


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User currently offlinesolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 850 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 43722 times:

My take om AA´s livery: why not thinner stripes on the narrow body a/c? The 'thicker´ stripes looks great on the widebody.
What do you think?

My   



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User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4125 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 42656 times:

Quoting N62NA (Reply 8):

I'm hoping that at some point some of these premium configured A321s show up on MIA-LAX-MIA

I hope that they will be able to use them all over their system. The looks of the seating is very interesting. Does anybody know if there will be different configurations once they integrate them into the system such as they have with the 757 or is this going to be a standard seating layout?



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User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 42025 times:

Quoting brilondon (Reply 26):
Does anybody know if there will be different configurations once

As of now standard configuration will be 16F 166Y. Just 8 off the 757.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10743 posts, RR: 31
Reply 25, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 42717 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 25):
Looks good (even better when finished!)

Should be painted within days.



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User currently onlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12393 posts, RR: 46
Reply 26, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 42713 times:
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Quoting Mikey86 (Reply 12):
Isn't the ground clearance of just 46cm a bit of a worry?

What's the current 737NG clearance and what will it be for the MAX?



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User currently online76er From Netherlands, joined Mar 2007, 511 posts, RR: 1
Reply 27, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 43534 times:

Wiki has the engine groundclearance of the NG at 46cm (48 for the 900ER).

User currently offlinePHX787 From Japan, joined Mar 2012, 7210 posts, RR: 17
Reply 28, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 42844 times:

N1XXNN... interesting ship numbering.

Were these used previously for AA on a different fleet?



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User currently offlineMikey86 From Australia, joined Jul 2011, 160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 29, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 42125 times:

Quoting flightsimer (Reply 14):

Pitching up will cause the entire engine to raise further off the ground no matter what the pitch angle is due to it being ahead of the pivot point (main landing gear). The only time it might possibly hit the ground is if they pull a SWA and land nose first or if maybe all the mains are flat and they slam it in. Just depends on the amount of travel there is between the typical compression of the strut and a completely compressed strut (which I don't know the number).

I personally don't like the size increase aesthetically. It looks really close to the fuselage width from the front and appears funny to me. I typically love huge engines too.

Thanks just seems a little too close for comfort from the ground, its one ruler and a half! Thought they would consider this too close. Thanks for your input RE: pitch angle.

Quoting scbriml (Reply 29):

What's the current 737NG clearance and what will it be for the MAX?

I don't know mate. I was just commenting on the A320 neo picture posted above. It would be interesting to see the specs for the 737MAX



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User currently offlinebraynfeeble From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 71 posts, RR: 0
Reply 30, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 40756 times:

Love the red nose & German flag for flight testing on the USA flag fin! Congrats, AA


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User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 31, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 38854 times:

Quoting PHX787 (Reply 28):
N1XXNN... interesting ship numbering.

Glad you asked, close but not exact. The DC-10 fleet began at N101AA and ran consecutive numbers up to about N141 or so, skipped a few but ended I think at N171AA.


User currently offlineOM617 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 32, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 38418 times:

Quoting Mikey86 (Reply 12):
Isn't the ground clearance of just 46cm a bit of a worry?

That's what I thought at first. However, if

Quoting 76er (Reply 27):
Wiki has the engine groundclearance of the NG at 46cm (48 for the 900ER).

then I guess it should be ok...

Quoting RyanairGuru (Reply 18):
I guess you missed this one then http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Bri...0.php
Quoting nethkt (Reply 20):
The Japanese can fly an even more premium aircraft long haul!

http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/ANA...D.php

I recall some of UA's early 744s (1990s) had very large first & business (remember Connoisseur?) classes, extending possibly as far back as #4 doors. I have an old printed schedule with seat maps, but not where I am currently located.

OM617


User currently offlineSVA402 From United States of America, joined Sep 2012, 67 posts, RR: 0
Reply 33, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 37839 times:

Quoting hotplane (Reply 21):
They've gone for IAE the same as Finnair.

Which is VERY interesting considering the A319s have the CFMs. Seems like a bad decision to go with 2 different engine manufacturers for the same fleet, but perhaps they have a good deal on engine leases or something.


User currently onlinescbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12393 posts, RR: 46
Reply 34, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 36474 times:
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Quoting SVA402 (Reply 33):
Which is VERY interesting considering the A319s have the CFMs. Seems like a bad decision to go with 2 different engine manufacturers for the same fleet, but perhaps they have a good deal on engine leases or something.

They've wisely gone for the better engine on each model. Given the numbers they're buying and the fairly typical "power by the hour" type engine deals, commonality is simply not the issue it might have been a few years ago.



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User currently offlinenutsaboutplanes From United States of America, joined exactly 4 years ago today! , 496 posts, RR: 8
Reply 35, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 36214 times:

Quoting SVA402 (Reply 33):
Which is VERY interesting considering the A319s have the CFMs. Seems like a bad decision to go with 2 different engine manufacturers for the same fleet, but perhaps they have a good deal on engine leases or something.

If the merger goes through, they will have sizable fleets of both CFM and IAE powered 319's, 20's and 21's as the entire East fleet at US is CFM powered sans a few new A321's and the entire West fleet inclusive of all A321's is IAE.



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User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5180 posts, RR: 1
Reply 36, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 36064 times:

When will AA start taking delivery of A321s configured in two classes? At some point, the A321s have to start replacing non-TATL 757s.

User currently offlineflymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7123 posts, RR: 9
Reply 37, posted (9 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 35666 times:

Quoting brilondon (Reply 23):
I hope that they will be able to use them all over their system.

This config will be used on very few routes. Only 105 seats, three class service will only work on selected routes. Mainly JFK-LAX/SFO. Would not mind it replacing the 738s and 752s on MIA-LAX also but as long as the 777s on still on MIA-LAX and there are still 763s I don't see it happening unless it replaces a 763.

I will say the small economy section should make economy more enjoyable too with better service from the FA and a tremendously better IFE.

After seeing how AA is doing out of BK and them finally getting their newer airplanes from a frequent flyer perspective I hope the merger does not go through.



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User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4125 posts, RR: 1
Reply 38, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 34714 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 37):

After seeing how AA is doing out of BK and them finally getting their newer airplanes from a frequent flyer perspective I hope the merger does not go through.

You and me both, I don't really want them (AA) to have anything to do with US. They have always been a poor choice to fly when ever I need to fly on short notice. I also fly to the UK and find the connections on US abysmal. The service is also subpar on US and hope that the US government will block the deal.



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User currently offlineMesaFlyGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 2937 posts, RR: 4
Reply 39, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 34621 times:
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Quoting brilondon (Reply 38):

What consitutes the connections to the UK on US being abysmal? Just wondering what you consider abysmal.

And I agree, their service could be better, but it still isn't that bad.



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User currently offlineB747forever From Sweden, joined May 2007, 17052 posts, RR: 10
Reply 40, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 34650 times:

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 24):
As of now standard configuration will be 16F 166Y. Just 8 off the 757.

So the F cabin will be smaller. Quite a reduction of F seats if the A321 is replacing all 757s.



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User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11428 posts, RR: 61
Reply 41, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 34577 times:

Quoting B747forever (Reply 40):
So the F cabin will be smaller. Quite a reduction of F seats if the A321 is replacing all 757s.

Yep. Which is why I suspect we're going to see A321s being used most intensively in higher-volume, less-premium markets (Hawaii, Caribbean, Florida, Vegas, etc.), just as the 757s (and A300s) were in the first half of last decade. I imagine relatively more premium markets will instead be largely the domain of the 738.


User currently offlineBoeingGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2010, 2989 posts, RR: 7
Reply 42, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 33698 times:

Quoting Mikey86 (Reply 12):
Isn't the ground clearance of just 46cm a bit of a worry? Especially on take-off and landing? This would increase the risk of scrapes if the pilot pitches the aircraft just a fraction too far.

Do A32x airplanes have something like the Tail Strike Protection feature on 777-300ERs and 777-200LRs that will automatically prevent an unintentional tail strike with the fly by wire system? Seems like the A321 would have a higher risk of tail strikes.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10743 posts, RR: 31
Reply 43, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 33491 times:

Quoting scbriml (Reply 26):
What's the current 737NG clearance and what will it be for the MAX?

Check page 13 for the MAX numbers:

http://www.boeing.com/assets/pdf/com.../airports/acaps/737MAXbrochure.pdf



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User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9289 posts, RR: 14
Reply 44, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 33297 times:

Quoting SVA402 (Reply 33):

Well the CFM56 is the same engine as the 737 fleet. So its no big deal for the 319

The IAEs are generally called the better engine for the 321s, and half of the US airbus fleet is IAE(and i believe that is the engine they have picked for all forward deliveries)

plenty of bulk, your still talking about over 100 engine of the V2500s and CFM56-5s. Thats plenty.

(and IMO if AA or TAESL does the V2500s in house they have plenty of chances in the US for work. Delta send them out and IIRC US and UA do also.)



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User currently offlineChaosTheory From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2013, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 45, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 32939 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 42):

Do A32x airplanes have something like the Tail Strike Protection feature on 777-300ERs and 777-200LRs that will automatically prevent an unintentional tail strike with the fly by wire system?

No

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 42):
Seems like the A321 would have a higher risk of tail strikes.


In service, the A321 has a tail strike rate about 4 times higher than the A320.

With the landing gear oleo fully compressed, tail strike will occur at around 9.6 degrees nose up attitude (the A320 will give you another 2 degrees of margin). If the oleo is fully extended, you need to achieve a nose attitude of 11.4 degrees before tail strike occurs.


User currently offlineChaosTheory From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2013, 228 posts, RR: 0
Reply 46, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 32868 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 44):
The IAEs are generally called the better engine for the 321s, and half of the US airbus fleet is IAE(and i believe that is the engine they have picked for all forward deliveries)

US took delivery of a CFM powered A321 only a few months ago.

My understanding was that US would continue to take delivery of both IAE and CFM equipped A32Xs due to the split East West operation.

Also, it is worth bearing in mind that many of AAs A319 aircraft will be operating at the highest MTOW and thus require the highest thrust engine. In this regard, the CFM56 had to be selected for the A319 as it has a 27K thrust option whereas the IAE V2500 is limited I believe to 24.8K due to VMCG/VMCA considerations.


User currently offlineWesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5647 posts, RR: 24
Reply 47, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 32638 times:

I am truly excited about the new A321's, but I agree with a few others on here, I'll fly the 762's transcon until they are all gone. It's nice to see more and more carriers bring the A321 online in the US...instead of just US and NK...  


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User currently offlineADent From United States of America, joined Dec 2006, 1358 posts, RR: 2
Reply 48, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 32293 times:

Quoting ChaosTheory (Reply 46):

US took delivery of a CFM powered A321 only a few months ago.

Planespotters.net shows 10 A321-211 (CFM) shown up in 2013 - with the latest arriving in July.

5 A321-231 (IAE) are scheduled in 2013.

Before 2013, the last A321-211 to show up was in 2009, whereas A312-231 arrived in 2012 and 2011 also.


User currently offlineAloha717200 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4476 posts, RR: 15
Reply 49, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 32169 times:

Nice aircraft, but I vastly prefer the 762 for transcon. That said...it'll be interesting to fly on one of these with that seating config!

User currently offlineteme82 From Finland, joined Mar 2007, 1486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 50, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 32085 times:
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Quoting hotplane (Reply 21):
They've gone for IAE the same as Finnair.

Makes sense if they are going to fly transcons with that bird.



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User currently offlineLHRjc From Netherlands, joined Apr 2006, 1964 posts, RR: 20
Reply 51, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 31858 times:

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 42):
Do A32x airplanes have something like the Tail Strike Protection feature on 777-300ERs and 777-200LRs that will automatically prevent an unintentional tail strike with the fly by wire system? Seems like the A321 would have a higher risk of tail strikes.

Depends on the MSN. Nothing automatic but 2 systems to help prevent tail strikes:

“PITCH, PITCH” auto callout (synthetic voice, if installed) triggers when pitch becomes excessive during flare and landing.

The Pitch Limit Indication on the PFD (if installed) can also help flight crew awaraness, because it indicates the pitch limit before a tailstrike



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User currently offlineaajfksjubklyn From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 901 posts, RR: 1
Reply 52, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 31753 times:

Not looking forward to this and agree I will take a 762 right down till the end. I am glad Delta has a mix of dual/twin aisels on this route now-it's the advantage AA had for years, and now they have tossed it. My decision on which airline to fly is now based on Wide-body's only. This plane is not going to be fun, although it appears it through marketing. If the seats are anything like the new slimline seats on the 737's and A319's, they are horrible back breakers. I have to use a sweater to create cushion and lumbar support.

User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3029 posts, RR: 4
Reply 53, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 31332 times:

Quoting aajfksjubklyn (Reply 52):
I am glad Delta has a mix of dual/twin aisels on this route now-it's the advantage AA had for years

If AA felt that it was such an advantage, then it likely would have gone with a similar mix. They obviously felt frequencies beat widebodies (which seems to be a well tested theorem). Time will tell if it was the right decision, and others are more versed on the economics of each airframe, but ultimately it may be DL who is at a disadvantage in the long run by running high capacity 757s and 763s with 130 to 170 coach seats out there.

[Edited 2013-10-21 13:22:36]

User currently offlinelexy From United States of America, joined Jun 2006, 2515 posts, RR: 9
Reply 54, posted (9 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 31178 times:

This will be quite nice to see!


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User currently offlineByrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2350 posts, RR: 1
Reply 55, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 30943 times:

Quoting catiii (Reply 53):
but ultimately it may be DL who is at a disadvantage in the long run by running high capacity 757s and 763s with 130 to 170 coach seats out there.

I usually never cheer for DL, but in this case I hope they prove to be right. I will always prefer a widebody over the narrow tubes.



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User currently offlineicebird757 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 662 posts, RR: 2
Reply 56, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 30583 times:

I count only 102 seats or so on the AA321. I wonder what the break even cost of the airplane will be. My guess is those seats will not be cheap on this plane. Same old $2500 for business one way.


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User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 57, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 30491 times:

Quoting icebird757 (Reply 56):
I count only 102 seats or so on the AA321. I wonder what the break even cost of the airplane will be. My guess is those seats will not be cheap on this plane. Same old $2500 for business one way.

Thats what AA in banking on. IMHO I think this will be a VERY short lived configuration. I give it 12 months max before it converted to a two class cattle hauler.


User currently offlineaajfksjubklyn From United States of America, joined Jul 2007, 901 posts, RR: 1
Reply 58, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 29710 times:

Tha AAdvanatge is comfort and ease of using restrooms or stretching legs. On a single aisle aircraft during daylight hours, it's a horrible arrangement to wait for

Quoting catiii (Reply 53):
If AA felt that it was such an advantage, then it likely would have gone with a similar mix

Its obvious they knew the advantage, they have had 762's on the route for as long as I can remember (and that's going back 25 years- prior to 762's there were DC10's). My last flight to JFK-SFO had a last minute swap to a 757's and everyone was freaking out. It was quite hysterical and some folks actually walked off the plane and opted for the next flight.


User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3029 posts, RR: 4
Reply 59, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 29489 times:

Quoting aajfksjubklyn (Reply 58):
Its obvious they knew the advantage, they have had 762's on the route for as long as I can remember (and that's going back 25 years- prior to 762's there were DC10's).

What was an advantage 25 years ago, isn't an advantage today. They haven't had the 321 in the fleet until now anyway.


User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 60, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 29164 times:

Quoting Deltal1011man (Reply 44):
Well the CFM56 is the same engine as the 737 fleet.

They aren't the same engine. They're very different.

Quoting BoeingGuy (Reply 42):
Do A32x airplanes have something like the Tail Strike Protection feature on 777-300ERs and 777-200LRs that will automatically prevent an unintentional tail strike with the fly by wire system? Seems like the A321 would have a higher risk of tail strikes.
Quoting ChaosTheory (Reply 45):
No

Do they not? Really? Its a fully fly by wire aircraft with protections, why would it let you slam the tail into the ground if it could avoid it? The 777-300ER's systems are advanced, yes, fundamentally not all that different.

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 57):
Thats what AA in banking on. IMHO I think this will be a VERY short lived configuration. I give it 12 months max before it converted to a two class cattle hauler.

United has been doing it for years. Why can't AA?

Clearly they know their revenue model and what they can charge for.

NS


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10743 posts, RR: 31
Reply 61, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 29538 times:

She was on the move today.


A321 American Airlines N101NN by XFW-Spotter, on Flickr



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10743 posts, RR: 31
Reply 62, posted (9 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 29400 times:

The second AA A321 emerged from the final assembly line.

Aircraft data: MSN 5860, temp reg D‑AVZQ, to be N102NN.


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User currently offlinebrooklynchris13 From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 63, posted (9 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 28625 times:

Apologies if this has been asked and answered elsewhere.. but is there a verified split on the number of A321 (regular) versus A321B (Transcon) yet. I saw in another thread that there was a top up order for the 319 and 321.. has that been verified also?

Thanks..



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User currently offlineMesaFlyGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 2937 posts, RR: 4
Reply 64, posted (9 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 28775 times:
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Quoting brooklynchris13 (Reply 63):
Apologies if this has been asked and answered elsewhere.. but is there a verified split on the number of A321 (regular) versus A321B (Transcon) yet. I saw in another thread that there was a top up order for the 319 and 321.. has that been verified also?

I believe it was something like 11 or 12 a321s that wuld be in the transcon configuration, with the remained in a 16F/166Y configuration replacing current 757s. Hope this helps!  



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User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 65, posted (9 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 27920 times:

Quoting gigneil (Reply 60):
uoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 57):
Thats what AA in banking on. IMHO I think this will be a VERY short lived configuration. I give it 12 months max before it converted to a two class cattle hauler.

United has been doing it for years. Why can't AA?

Clearly they know their revenue model and what they can charge for.

And after several years United has now changed back to a two class configuration. I dont know the specific class break down,but they have dropped the three class transcend.


User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5180 posts, RR: 1
Reply 66, posted (9 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 27483 times:

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 65):
And after several years United has now changed back to a two class configuration. I dont know the specific class break down,but they have dropped the three class transcend

I just looked at the UA website, and some of the JFK-LAX non-stops are showing 3 classes of service. But, I would suggest that the lack of 3-class aircraft has less to do with problems with filling the F and J cabins and more with the fact that CO had no 3-class aircraft in its fleet, and the business model built on only offering domestic first or international business.

Remember that AA hauls a lot of celebrities and studio executives, as well as financial services executives, who will pay for service above domestic first on the trans-cons.

If the model didn't work on trans-cons, the 762s would have been converted to a 2-class configuration, and then the 762s and 763s would have worked both domestic and international routes.

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 64):
I believe it was something like 11 or 12 a321s that wuld be in the transcon configuration, with the remained in a 16F/166Y configuration replacing current 757s

What is it with AA and the ever-shrinking first class cabin? The A319s only have 8 first class seats. That's one less seat in first, when compared to the CRJ 700, with a much smaller coach section.

So, the A321 will only have 16 first seats, while the 757 has 22 or 24, and the same number of seats in coach, 166.


User currently offlinemhkansan From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 672 posts, RR: 1
Reply 67, posted (9 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 27139 times:

Quoting ckfred (Reply 66):
What is it with AA and the ever-shrinking first class cabin? The A319s only have 8 first class seats. That's one less seat in first, when compared to the CRJ 700, with a much smaller coach section.

So, the A321 will only have 16 first seats, while the 757 has 22 or 24, and the same number of seats in coach, 166.

Lower CASMs. The people filling the 22 F seats on the domestic 757 routes aren't paying for it. 16F is enough to allow some upgrade availability while allowing higher density and lower costs for the whole aircraft - and still only need for four flight attendants.


User currently offlineoc2dc From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 362 posts, RR: 0
Reply 68, posted (9 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 26492 times:

Quoting flymia (Reply 37):
I will say the small economy section should make economy more enjoyable too with better service from the FA and a tremendously better IFE.

When you put it that way, I wonder how many flight attendants will staff this aircraft. FAA standards require 1 flight attendant per 50 passengers. So this configuration will need at least 3. However, with all the premium passengers, you would assume they would add at least another 2 or 3, so 5 or 6 total. Does that seem about right? Does anybody know for sure?

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 57):
Thats what AA in banking on. IMHO I think this will be a VERY short lived configuration. I give it 12 months max before it converted to a two class cattle hauler.

I don't think they will ever take away 3 class service on LAX/SFO-JFK. However, I do believe you are right, that in 12 months they will look into re-configuring the A321T cabin. In my opinion there is simply too much F capacity. They will knock it down from 10 to 6 or 4F and either add some additional J seats or Y seats. Only time will tell.



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User currently onlineklkla From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 930 posts, RR: 0
Reply 69, posted (9 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 26389 times:

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 57):
Thats what AA in banking on. IMHO I think this will be a VERY short lived configuration. I give it 12 months max before it converted to a two class cattle hauler.

I think you're right that this configuration is not sustainable. Although they may just cut 1st class down to 2-4 seats so they can still be the only one offering 1st class, reduce business to 16 seats and then fill in the rest with additional coach seats. That would probably be a more practical solution.


User currently offlineCarfield From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1894 posts, RR: 9
Reply 70, posted (9 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 26376 times:

In terms of F/As, they are definitely going to have at least six F/As - two for each cabins. With meals and all those stuff, they need two F/As in F and two F/As in J, and for Y, one F/A will be too much work. I have a feeling that it is going to be six.

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User currently offlineoc2dc From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 362 posts, RR: 0
Reply 71, posted (9 months 1 week 21 hours ago) and read 26389 times:

Quoting klkla (Reply 69):
Although they may just cut 1st class down to 2-4 seats so they can still be the only one offering 1st class, reduce business to 16 seats and then fill in the rest with additional coach seats.

AA doesn't have a hard time filling J seats. They are already cutting down J seats when they go from the 762's 30 J to the A321T's 20J. With the increase in flights, I believe there is an ever so slight loss of J. No need to reduce it any more.

If they reduce F to 4, they can fit in an additional 12 J seats. Or they could add another 18 Y seats. This is all an approximation, but it gives you a good idea of how the configuration could be switched up. I see a combination of both J and Y increases sometime winter 2015.



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User currently offlineNatflyer From United States of America, joined Oct 2013, 121 posts, RR: 1
Reply 72, posted (9 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 26186 times:

Quoting 76er (Reply 27):

Latest I recall 17" (43cm) on the MAX


User currently offlineDeltal1011man From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 9289 posts, RR: 14
Reply 73, posted (9 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 25971 times:

Quoting gigneil (Reply 60):

No shit

It's still a CFM56 and doesn't require a differnet overhaul line. Delta runs -3/-5/-7 all in the line.

Quoting ChaosTheory (Reply 46):

Ah I thought US said they wouldn't be taking any more CFMs
My mistake.



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User currently offlineRyanairGuru From Australia, joined Oct 2006, 5186 posts, RR: 4
Reply 74, posted (9 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 25904 times:

Quoting ckfred (Reply 66):
I just looked at the UA website, and some of the JFK-LAX non-stops are showing 3 classes of service. But, I would suggest that the lack of 3-class aircraft has less to do with problems with filling the F and J cabins and more with the fact that CO had no 3-class aircraft in its fleet, and the business model built on only offering domestic first or international business.

UA made a conscious decision to remove F from the Premium Service flights. The 3 class flights you see are ones using non-refurbished aircraft, which have the old recliner F/J product, while the 2 class aircraft are reconfigured. UA are going from 12F/26J/72Y to 28J/114Y, but J is getting a flat bed product (actually the exact same seat as AA on the 32B)



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User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32611 posts, RR: 72
Reply 75, posted (9 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 25921 times:

Quoting klkla (Reply 69):
I think you're right that this configuration is not sustainable. Although they may just cut 1st class down to 2-4 seats so they can still be the only one offering 1st class, reduce business to 16 seats and then fill in the rest with additional coach seats. That would probably be a more practical solution.

Um, no, that's not going to happen.

I wouldn't be shocked if they remove F seats for more J/Y, but this isn't Delta, it can actually fill 20 or more J seats with ease in this market, and still leave EXPs in the back.

The reason the F cabin was kept was largely because some LA-based loyal corporate clients have promised to keep buying 3-class F; and AA also grabbed some ex-UA customers after UA dropped F.



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User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 76, posted (9 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 25779 times:

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 65):
And after several years United has now changed back to a two class configuration. I dont know the specific class break down,but they have dropped the three class transcend.

Its still a premium heavy configuration, with international service and seating - it isn't a high density domestic config. Those planes are VERY nice inside.

Quoting ckfred (Reply 66):
I just looked at the UA website, and some of the JFK-LAX non-stops are showing 3 classes of service. But, I would suggest that the lack of 3-class aircraft has less to do with problems with filling the F and J cabins and more with the fact that CO had no 3-class aircraft in its fleet, and the business model built on only offering domestic first or international business.

They are simply not finished refurbishing the 3 class fleet to the new 2 class config...

NS


User currently offlineMesaFlyGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 2937 posts, RR: 4
Reply 77, posted (9 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 25895 times:
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Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 75):
and AA also grabbed some ex-UA customers after UA dropped F.

Do you actually have evidence of this happening or is this just more A.net speculation? I'd be very interested to see what percentage of UA customers switched to AA.



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User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3029 posts, RR: 4
Reply 78, posted (9 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 25644 times:

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 75):
back.

Can you expand on the comment about DL (and I'm not coking a fight, just trying to better understand what you mean)?


User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32611 posts, RR: 72
Reply 79, posted (9 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 25670 times:

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 77):
Do you actually have evidence of this happening or is this just more A.net speculation? I'd be very interested to see what percentage of UA customers switched to AA.

I work for a company that made the switch to all-AA from an AA/UA mix around when the new product announcements were made, and yes, the new product was absolutely touted as a reason. I don't know how many companies switched; I do know some did, including one major one that is arguably the most sought after in Hollywood and is now largely all-AA after being non-exclusive for a while. AA's grip on media industry traffic is extremely impressive; although it did lose a major client to Delta last year, Conde Nast.

Quoting catiii (Reply 78):
Can you expand on the comment about DL (and I'm not coking a fight, just trying to better understand what you mean)?

AA and UA grab significantly higher fares in the market than DL, which has fares closer to JetBlue (and still below Virgin). It's clear that AA and UA are grabbing more paid premium traffic. Traditionally Delta has had lower market average fares than even JetBlue, and JetBlue doesn't even have a premium cabin (yet), but I'm not sure if that has changed, as Delta has improved the product dramatically over the past year especially.



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User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 80, posted (9 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 25350 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 7):
No doubt, this illustration says it all:

Won't they put a landing gear system that will be markedly higher than what they currently have with the marked increase in the size of the engines?

Quoting commavia (Reply 15):
The more I see the new livery and logo, the more I like it. Unlike some, I actually think the new livery looks particularly excellent on the A319s. I very much look forward to seeing these A321s - outside and especially inside.

I agree with you, commavia. I'm not a fan of the new liver whatsoever, however it does look pretty decent on the A319s.

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 39):
hat consitutes the connections to the UK on US being abysmal? Just wondering what you consider abysmal.

And I agree, their service could be better, but it still isn't that bad.

US is definitely far from being the best out there, however, they have been making thoughtful attempts in improving their soft product this past year.

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 57):
Thats what AA in banking on. IMHO I think this will be a VERY short lived configuration. I give it 12 months max before it converted to a two class cattle hauler.

I think we'll see the F (P) cabin reduced from 12 to 6. That's a lot of P seats considering the amount of frequencies they will be operating in the LAX-SFO-JFK market.


User currently offlinekevinkevin From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2013, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 81, posted (9 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 25283 times:

Why didn't they buy the 739ER?

User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3740 posts, RR: 12
Reply 82, posted (9 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 25052 times:
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Quoting kevinkevin (Reply 81):
Why didn't they buy the 739ER?

Because relying on a single manufacturer would delay the deliveries of all aircraft into the fleet. The American Airlines fleet is so large that adding a new type would not have such a negative economic impact, it is not an issue for them to have large fleets of two different types. That's why they went Airbus. I'm sure they considered at some point adding he 739ER. to the existing fleet of 800s. But I believe that they have by now decided their 737 fleet would consist of 800 and 8MAX Series only.

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User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3029 posts, RR: 4
Reply 83, posted (9 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 24842 times:

Quoting kevinkevin (Reply 81):
Why didn't they buy the 739ER?

They have the option under the deal to convert the new deliveries into any variants within the 737 family, including the 739ER.


User currently offlinegigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 84, posted (9 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 24020 times:

Quoting laca773 (Reply 80):
Won't they put a landing gear system that will be markedly higher than what they currently have with the marked increase in the size of the engines?

That would make it an all new plane once you redesign the gear bay.

Quoting kevinkevin (Reply 81):
Why didn't they buy the 739ER?

Because the A321 is a great plane, and the A321NEO a vastly better plane.

Quoting catiii (Reply 83):
They have the option under the deal to convert the new deliveries into any variants within the 737 family, including the 739ER.

They won't. They have clearly stratified into A319, 738, A321 - the sweet spot for each plane size.

NS


User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4125 posts, RR: 1
Reply 85, posted (9 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 23931 times:

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 39):

What consitutes the connections to the UK on US being abysmal? Just wondering what you consider abysmal.

And I agree, their service could be better, but it still isn't that bad.



Yes, their service sucks and what constitutes bad service is taking four flights where two will do to get me to where I want to go and to take 40 hours to fly home from the UK. They could also use a little bit of training in customer service and in how to make a customer feel like they want to use their service again.



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User currently onlinewn676 From Djibouti, joined Jun 2005, 1031 posts, RR: 4
Reply 86, posted (9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 23577 times:

Quoting ChaosTheory (Reply 46):
My understanding was that US would continue to take delivery of both IAE and CFM equipped A32Xs due to the split East West operation.

It's due to existing contracts with the engine manufacturers. US specified most new orders with IAEs but still had to fulfill their obligation to take a remaining number of CFMs carried over from PMUS. The east/west issue shouldn't factor in since East has a growing number of IAE 321s in their subfleet.



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User currently offlinecatiii From United States of America, joined Mar 2008, 3029 posts, RR: 4
Reply 87, posted (9 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 23509 times:

Quoting gigneil (Reply 84):
They won't. They have clearly stratified into A319, 738, A321 - the sweet spot for each plane size.

100% agreed, but he was asking why they didnt place an order for the airplane. I was pointing out that technically they had under the terms of the deal.


User currently offlineckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5180 posts, RR: 1
Reply 88, posted (9 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 23087 times:

Quoting kevinkevin (Reply 81):
Why didn't they buy the 739ER?

I tend to think that if Boeing could have filled the entire AA order with 737-700s, -800s, and -900ERs, AA would have done an all-Boeing order. But, considering the number of aircraft and the time frame, neither Airbus nor Boeing could have delivered that many airplanes.

Remember that when AA and Boeing signed their 20-year agreement back in the mid 1990s, the plan was to replace the 727-200s with 737-800s, the MD-80s with 737-700s, and the F100s with 737-600s.

At the point, no one knew how the 736 only made sense on long, thin routes. But, to have almost 400 737NGs of various series made a lot of sense in terms of crew training and staffing, maintenance, and scheduling.

So, I would surmise that AA would have preferred it, if Boeing or Airbus would have been capable of building every last narrowbody in the mega order.


User currently offlinekaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2364 posts, RR: 3
Reply 89, posted (9 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 23128 times:

By the way, the A319 and A321 CEO order is actually not an order from Airbus. All these 130 aircraft are leased, on 10 year terms from various lessors.

These will be phased out in favor of 130 A321 NEOs which are actually on direct order from Airbus.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10743 posts, RR: 31
Reply 90, posted (9 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 23162 times:

Quoting kaitak744 (Reply 89):
By the way, the A319 and A321 CEO order is actually not an order from Airbus. All these 130 aircraft are leased, on 10 year terms from various lessors.

These will be phased out in favor of 130 A321 NEOs which are actually on direct order from Airbus.

Sounds like a good interim solution   



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User currently offlineMesaFlyGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 2937 posts, RR: 4
Reply 91, posted (9 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 22919 times:
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Quoting brilondon (Reply 85):
Yes, their service sucks and what constitutes bad service is taking four flights where two will do to get me to where I want to go and to take 40 hours to fly home from the UK.

Well yes, if you're account is to be believed, US isn't the best option to get from HNL to the U.K. when there are better options through ATL, SEA, LAX, DFW, SFO, etc. But what if yo live on the east coast of the US? Then their connections aren't that bad.

Quoting brilondon (Reply 85):

Yes, their service sucks and what constitutes bad service
Quoting brilondon (Reply 85):
They could also use a little bit of training in customer service and in how to make a customer feel like they want to use their service again.

I bet you have personal experience behind these statements, which I am not disputing, but save for one agent in Charlotte, US Airways staff have been some of the best I've encountered; far better than UA and on par with DL.



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User currently offlineRickNRoll From Afghanistan, joined Jan 2012, 782 posts, RR: 0
Reply 92, posted (9 months 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 22421 times:

Quoting ckfred (Reply 88):

So, I would surmise that AA would have preferred it, if Boeing or Airbus would have been capable of building every last narrowbody in the mega order.

Or, as others have pointed out, the planes the chose were, in their view, the best for the job.


User currently offlineEricR From United States of America, joined Jul 2010, 1900 posts, RR: 1
Reply 93, posted (9 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 21917 times:

Quoting klkla (Reply 69):

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 57):
Thats what AA in banking on. IMHO I think this will be a VERY short lived configuration. I give it 12 months max before it converted to a two class cattle hauler.

I think you're right that this configuration is not sustainable. Although they may just cut 1st class down to 2-4 seats so they can still be the only one offering 1st class, reduce business to 16 seats and then fill in the rest with additional coach seats. That would probably be a more practical solution.

Definitely agree with both of you. This has been my opinion since the configuration was announced. Does this configuration appeal to certain people or a certain industry - yes. Does this automatically mean this is the appropriate configuration to provide the airline with an appropriate ROI - no. When you look at the seating configuration, it looks like something associated with a private jet as opposed to a commercial airline. That config will not last long term.


User currently onlineklkla From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 930 posts, RR: 0
Reply 94, posted (9 months 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 21537 times:

Quoting oc2dc (Reply 71):
AA doesn't have a hard time filling J seats.

I know I have burned my credit card AA miles on this route many times and have not had difficulty getting into first or business with the lowest mileage requirements.

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 75):
I wouldn't be shocked if they remove F seats for more J/Y, but this isn't Delta, it can actually fill 20 or more J seats with ease in this market, and still leave EXPs in the back.

The big difference now is that Delta, United and Jet Blue have all added or are adding lie-flat business products and the competitive situation is going to be very different going forward. There are going to be too many lie-flat seats on the market and AA's configuration is not going to be successful in this environment.

In the next year or so they will have to reduce or eliminate first class. Best case for business is to maintain the current seat count or a slight increase. More coach seats will be added.


User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3740 posts, RR: 12
Reply 95, posted (9 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 21311 times:
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Quoting klkla (Reply 94):
In the next year or so they will have to reduce or eliminate first class. Best case for business is to maintain the current seat count or a slight increase. More coach seats will be added.

So that means no more three-class service domestic flights. It looks like in the long run if the A321 looses the three-class layout, only the 77W will be configured in a three-class layout. The 762s are leaving. The 763s are already configured in a two-class layout, for a long time now. And the 772s are next in getting a new two-class layout. Does anyone know if the 787s will have a three-class layout?



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User currently onlineklkla From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 930 posts, RR: 0
Reply 96, posted (9 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 21082 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 95):
So that means no more three-class service domestic flights.

AA could have an advantage with some corporate contracts by maintaining First Class on these aircraft. It's just my opinion that the first class section is too large for this size aircraft. OTH United was operating three class on this route for years and decided it was wiser to eliminate first and just offer lie-flats in Biz so AA could follow suit (and if Doug Parker ends up as CEO the odds of this happening greatly increases).


User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 97, posted (9 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 21133 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 95):
Does anyone know if the 787s will have a three-class layout?

It will be two class. From what I hear it will first serve JFKLHR.


User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32611 posts, RR: 72
Reply 98, posted (9 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 21150 times:

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 97):
Quoting American 767 (Reply 95):
Does anyone know if the 787s will have a three-class layout?

It will be two class. From what I hear it will first serve JFKLHR.

It will be 2-class.

It will not serve JFKLHR, which is a 3-class exclusive route.



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12897 posts, RR: 100
Reply 99, posted (9 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 21267 times:
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Quoting etops1 (Reply 16):

A321 seating chart released .

Wow... That is how I envision TATL A321NEOs.   

It wouldn't take much of an efficiency improvement to make the promised A321NEOs 3,650nm range break 3,900nm and let airlines open up a few new routes or just replace 752s. That configuration alone, due to the low density, should allow a bit more range.    Now where to find more fuel volume? Does the A321 have a tail tank? Just putting one in to optimize the spacing of the CL and CG should add another 100nm before accounting for any additional fuel...

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User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 100, posted (9 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 20988 times:
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Eventually, I think we'll see AA decrease P from 12 to 8 at the most. 12 P is a lot of capacity for an a/c flying a route 11x a day. I don't think AA wants to see the P cabin used as upgrade, mileage awards constantly.

User currently offlineMesaFlyGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 2937 posts, RR: 4
Reply 101, posted (9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 20835 times:
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Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 98):
l be 2-class.

It will not serve JFKLHR, which is a 3-class exclusive route.

I know I don't agree with you much, but I do here. JFK-LHR is not the type of route that AA would run a two-class aircraft on. I do, however, think that seeing them flying from JFK isn't completely out of the question. Maybe they could help AA with their problems in New York City by offering much better economics and (from what I hear) better on-board experience than the aging 767s.



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User currently offlinebrilondon From Canada, joined Aug 2005, 4125 posts, RR: 1
Reply 102, posted (9 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 21036 times:

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 91):
I bet you have personal experience behind these statements, which I am not disputing, but save for one agent in Charlotte, US Airways staff have been some of the best I've encountered; far better than UA and on par with DL.
Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 91):
l yes, if you're account is to be believed, US isn't the best option to get from HNL to the U.K. when there are better options through ATL, SEA, LAX, DFW, SFO, etc. But what if yo live on the east coast of the US? Then their connections aren't that bad.


The actual flights times are also an issue as the return usually takes me about 40 hours due to the availability on short notice. Yes, I do take DL a due and AA due to their schedules and they have a superior premium product to US and UA. I don't really want to get into a pissing match about how one or two incidents have coloured my view of US but the whole experience with them has really turned me off using US. I would not have such a problem if I did not have to spend so much time in cities I really have no reason being in except that US puts in that situation due to their lack of decent connections from CLT to HNL coming from Europe.



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User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32611 posts, RR: 72
Reply 103, posted (9 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 21007 times:

Quoting laca773 (Reply 100):
Eventually, I think we'll see AA decrease P from 12 to 8 at the most. 12 P is a lot of capacity for an a/c flying a route 11x a day. I don't think AA wants to see the P cabin used as upgrade, mileage awards constantly.

It's 10 F seats and 13x daily.

Mileage upgrades are not allowed to F unless one pays for a J seat.

The number of F seats hasn't change - it's 10 today.



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User currently offlinelaca773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4002 posts, RR: 2
Reply 104, posted (9 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 20641 times:
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Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 103):

It's 10 F seats and 13x daily.

Mileage upgrades are not allowed to F unless one pays for a J seat.

The number of F seats hasn't change - it's 10 today.

Thanks for the correction, Mr. AA   .

10 or 12 is still too many, and 13 daily.
Mileage awards can still be allocated for P seats.
The upgrade to P from J is pretty common with mileage.
A decent P- cabin can keep it's elite value with six seats.


User currently offlinerobt760 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 105, posted (8 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 19117 times:

Now....back on topic.

What's the status of MSN 5834 ?


User currently offlinestarbucks From Netherlands, joined Feb 2013, 668 posts, RR: 6
Reply 106, posted (8 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 17612 times:

Quoting robt760 (Reply 105):
What's the status of MSN 5834 ?

Flying now!  www.fr24.com/AIB834A

First pictures in paint:
http://pics.aviation-friends-hamburg.de/uploads/2013/11/i3670bwfkjd.jpg

Credits to Helmut (Airbus-Aktuell) from www.aviation-friends-hamburg-forum.de
http://aviation-friends-hamburg-forum.de/showthread.php?tid=7718

[Edited 2013-11-06 06:14:32]


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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2191 posts, RR: 1
Reply 107, posted (8 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 17301 times:

Quoting starbucks (Reply 106):
First pictures in paint:

Nice!! Thanks for finding that 



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User currently offlineiFlyLOTs From United States of America, joined Apr 2012, 453 posts, RR: 0
Reply 108, posted (8 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 17310 times:

Quoting starbucks (Reply 106):
First pictures in paint

Now that is one good looking bird.   



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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2191 posts, RR: 1
Reply 109, posted (8 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 17325 times:

Quoting starbucks (Reply 106):
Credits to Helmut (Airbus-Aktuell) from www.aviation-friends-hamburg-forum.de
http://aviation-friends-hamburg-forum.de/showthread.php?tid=7718

More from the same link:

http://pics.aviation-friends-hamburg.de/uploads/2013/11/i3668b55yet.jpg

http://pics.aviation-friends-hamburg.de/uploads/2013/11/i3669b3pk3k.jpg



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User currently offlineN14AZ From Germany, joined Feb 2007, 2694 posts, RR: 25
Reply 110, posted (8 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 17047 times:

Great pictures, great looking aircraft. Thank you for posting these pictures!

User currently offlineLPSHobby From Brazil, joined May 2007, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 111, posted (8 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 16800 times:
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will they replace the 757?

User currently offlineLonghornmaniac From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 3278 posts, RR: 45
Reply 112, posted (8 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 16730 times:

Of the narrowbody aircraft, this is far and away the best-suited airplane to this scheme. Very sharp. It also makes me excited to see what the 757 looks like with it.

Cheers,
Cameron


User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3385 posts, RR: 10
Reply 113, posted (8 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 16684 times:

Is there a German flag on the vertical stab? I searched online and found a JQ aircraft that had it but that was about it. Do all A320s out of Hamburg have this? A German flag on top of a tail symbolizing the American flag is...well lets just say its 'interesting'.

Good looking aircraft otherwise. AA livery is growing on me.

tortugamon


User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2992 posts, RR: 4
Reply 114, posted (8 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 16564 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 113):
Is there a German flag on the vertical stab? I searched online and found a JQ aircraft that had it but that was about it. Do all A320s out of Hamburg have this?

Yes. I believe all aircraft with a German registration, including a pre-delivery test registration (like this and other Airbuses built in Hamburg) are required to carry a German flag. By comparison, aircraft built in Toulouse with a French test reg do not carry a French flag.



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User currently offlinearielwar From United States of America, joined Aug 2013, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 115, posted (8 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 16558 times:

Quoting tortugamon (Reply 113):
Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 114):

But the flag comes out once the aircraft is finally delivered to AA.


User currently offlineaacun From Mexico, joined Jan 2004, 516 posts, RR: 1
Reply 116, posted (8 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 16541 times:
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All right, up to now I thought it was only me but....... Is the body of the airplane looking a bit darker now a days? I called that to a pilots attention the other day here in Miami. The body of the airplane seemed to be a shade darker than the one parked next door. It could be a trick of lighting as the metallic finish actually makes it look different at day and then at night. But this A321 looks a lot darker on these pics even for a rainy day.

User currently offlineA388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9722 posts, RR: 11
Reply 117, posted (8 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 16494 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 109):
Quoting starbucks (Reply 106):
Credits to Helmut (Airbus-Aktuell) from www.aviation-friends-hamburg-forum.de
http://aviation-friends-hamburg-forum.de/showthread.php?tid=7718


More from the same link:

One of the best looking A321's I've seen so far. I like the JetBlue A321 also very much. The sharklets make the aircraft a lot nicer in my opinion. The new AA livery looks good and has grown on me now as I was totally against it when it first came out!!! I hope AA will eventually use these A321's to MIA as well.

A388


User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2992 posts, RR: 4
Reply 118, posted (8 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 16425 times:

Quoting arielwar (Reply 115):
But the flag comes out once the aircraft is finally delivered to AA.

Yes, of course. It's just a decal, as is the test reg.



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User currently offlinebkircher From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 119, posted (8 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 15966 times:

WOW, that is by far the best looking 321 out there right now!!! Amazing looking plane with the sharklets and new livery!

User currently offlinetortugamon From United States of America, joined Apr 2013, 3385 posts, RR: 10
Reply 120, posted (8 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 15642 times:

Quoting FoxBravo (Reply 114):
Yes.
Quoting arielwar (Reply 115):
But the flag comes out once the aircraft is finally delivered to AA.

Makes sense. Thanks fellas.

tortugamon


User currently offlinePlanesNTrains From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 5449 posts, RR: 29
Reply 121, posted (8 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 15423 times:

Meh on the scheme. Just seems gloomy looking and I've yet to bond to the Greyhound logo.

I love the A321, but for goodness sake can someone PLEASE put some real engines on that thing? lol

Anxiously awaiting the A321NEO!

-Dave



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User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3009 posts, RR: 2
Reply 122, posted (8 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 15351 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 109):
Credits to Helmut (Airbus-Aktuell) from www.aviation-friends-hamburg-forum.de
http://aviation-friends-hamburg-foru...=7718

Beautiful machine... Hope to see her and her sisters in the skies over the DFW metro soon!!



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User currently offlineLittleOwl From Germany, joined Oct 2013, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 123, posted (8 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 15031 times:

I have recorded a video of takeoff and landing at Hamburg-Finkenwerder Airport (XFW):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRUuTZfqvjE



User currently offlineFoxBravo From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2992 posts, RR: 4
Reply 124, posted (8 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 14773 times:

Quoting LittleOwl (Reply 123):

Well done--thanks for sharing! Looking forward to seeing these at JFK soon.



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User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2191 posts, RR: 1
Reply 125, posted (8 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 14621 times:

American just posted this photo:

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYbC8-nCYAAFZna.jpg:largehttp://twitter.com/AmericanAir/status/398219969915150336

[Edited 2013-11-06 15:15:51]


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User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3740 posts, RR: 12
Reply 126, posted (8 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 14379 times:
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Quoting LPSHobby (Reply 111):
will they replace the 757?

Yes, they will. They will replace the domestic 757s which are flying mostly on routes out of the MIA hub. But the first few 321s including the one you see in the pictures above are intended to replace the 762s on transcon routes out of JFK to LAX and SFO, these will have a three-class config: 10F/20C/72Y. The other 321s will have a two-class config, those are the ones that will eventually replace the 757s.

Ben Soriano



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User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10743 posts, RR: 31
Reply 127, posted (8 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 14628 times:

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 125):
American just posted this photo:

The forum can automatically resize the picture if you remove the http[s]. Thus http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYbC8-nCYAAFZna.jpg:large instead of https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYbC8-nCYAAFZna.jpg:large



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User currently offlinepanam330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2669 posts, RR: 9
Reply 128, posted (8 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 14597 times:

Okay, I officially like the AA livery now. THAT is one good looking bird. I will always miss the polished aluminum, but now when I compare the two, this one wins.

User currently online817Dreamliiner From Montserrat, joined Jul 2008, 2191 posts, RR: 1
Reply 129, posted (8 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 14554 times:

Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 127):
The forum can automatically resize the picture if you remove the http[s]. Thus http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYbC8-nCYAAFZna.jpg:large instead of https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYbC8-nCYAAFZna.jpg:large

Edited and fixed. Thanks.



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User currently offlinelightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 12897 posts, RR: 100
Reply 130, posted (8 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 14573 times:
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Go V2500s!   

Quoting 817Dreamliiner (Reply 125):
American just posted this photo:

Lovely Livery.


Now how does the A319 look like a redneck shot it up (So called "bullet hole livery") while this one looks nice. Is the American lettering just that little bit bigger to make the difference? (I really dislike the AA A319 livery.)

Quoting PlanesNTrains (Reply 121):
I love the A321, but for goodness sake can someone PLEASE put some real engines on that thing? lol

Anxiously awaiting the A321NEO!

The A321NEO will be quite a game changer... Not just looks, but the extra 500+ nm of range certainly will be useful.


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User currently offlinejetmarc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 547 posts, RR: 2
Reply 131, posted (8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 13453 times:

I wish they would have moved the titles a few inches forward... the i in American on a/c left bothers me how it seems to be aligned up against the 2L door so precisely.


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User currently offlinearielwar From United States of America, joined Aug 2013, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 132, posted (8 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 13299 times:

does anybody know how many seats will the 2 class aircraft's have? also when will they start receiving them?

User currently offlineLPSHobby From Brazil, joined May 2007, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 133, posted (8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 13209 times:
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Quoting American 767 (Reply 126):
Yes, they will. They will replace the domestic 757s which are flying mostly on routes out of the MIA hub. But the first few 321s including the one you see in the pictures above are intended to replace the 762s on transcon routes out of JFK to LAX and SFO, these will have a three-class config: 10F/20C/72Y. The other 321s will have a two-class config, those are the ones that will eventually replace the 757s.

Ben Soriano

Thanks for answer! You said 72Y, is this right, just 72 ?

Best wishes, Leonardo


User currently offlineqqflyboy From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 2266 posts, RR: 13
Reply 134, posted (8 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 13133 times:

Quoting arielwar (Reply 132):

The regular 321 will have 16F/165Y

Quoting LPSHobby (Reply 133):

Yes, the 321T will have just 72Y seats (36MCE/36Y)



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User currently offlinemilestones787 From United States of America, joined Mar 2012, 68 posts, RR: 0
Reply 135, posted (8 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 11701 times:

Any idea when the first A321 will be delivered?

User currently offlineLittleOwl From Germany, joined Oct 2013, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 136, posted (8 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 11509 times:

The A321 has performed another test flight today (callsign AIB834E). So it won't be long until delivery. I have recorded a short video of the takeoff.



User currently offlineMah4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32611 posts, RR: 72
Reply 137, posted (8 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 11443 times:

Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 134):
Quoting arielwar (Reply 132):
The regular 321 will have 16F/165Y

Sadly the original plan was 24F/150Y, IIRC.



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User currently offlineoc2dc From United States of America, joined Feb 2013, 362 posts, RR: 0
Reply 138, posted (8 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 11089 times:

Quoting Mah4546 (Reply 137):
Quoting qqflyboy (Reply 134):
Quoting arielwar (Reply 132):
The regular 321 will have 16F/165Y

Sadly the original plan was 24F/150Y, IIRC.

They could have compromised with 20F. 16F is a drastic departure from the 757s they are supposed to replace.



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User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3740 posts, RR: 12
Reply 139, posted (8 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10499 times:
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Quoting LPSHobby (Reply 133):

Thanks for answer! You said 72Y, is this right, just 72 ?

You're welcome. Yes that's right 72Y: just 72 seats in Economy. There will be 12 rows arranged in a 3-3 layout.

Quoting milestones787 (Reply 135):
Any idea when the first A321 will be delivered?

American might receive it before the end of 2013, but it won't enter service until Jan 2014 on the JFK-LAX route.



Ben Soriano
User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 140, posted (8 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 10317 times:

Quoting American 767 (Reply 139):
American might receive it before the end of 2013, but it won't enter service until Jan 2014 on the JFK-LAX route.

Late November for delivery. So in the next week or two!

JP


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10743 posts, RR: 31
Reply 141, posted (8 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 9266 times:

Delivery scheduled for tomorrow.


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User currently onlinepasu129 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 142, posted (8 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 9194 times:
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Exactly how many of these beauties is AA receiving?         


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User currently offlineDDR From Switzerland, joined Sep 2013, 155 posts, RR: 1
Reply 143, posted (8 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 8939 times:

What a beautiful aircraft. I'm glad AA decided to go with the A321. Now the only question is what kind of changes will Doug parker make to the interiors. I believe one of the first things he did at US was to rip out closets and add more seats. Hopefully he will bring the standards of US up to the level of AA and not the other way around.


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User currently onlinepasu129 From United States of America, joined Jul 2012, 117 posts, RR: 0
Reply 144, posted (8 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8811 times:
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Quoting DDR (Reply 143):
Now the only question is what kind of changes will Doug parker make to the interiors.
http://youtu.be/20zshmYxhLw



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User currently offlineMesaFlyGuy From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 2937 posts, RR: 4
Reply 145, posted (8 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8741 times:
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Quoting KarelXWB (Reply 141):
Delivery scheduled for tomorrow.

Will it be delivered to JFK or DFW?



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User currently offlineJoePatroni707 From United States of America, joined Dec 2012, 493 posts, RR: 0
Reply 146, posted (8 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8690 times:

Delivery now scheduled for 11/22/13. Routing XFW YYR BOS DFW.. Arrives DFW 1615. Get your cameras ready

User currently offlineSooner787 From United States of America, joined Jul 2013, 205 posts, RR: 0
Reply 147, posted (8 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 8531 times:

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 146):
Delivery now scheduled for 11/22/13. Routing XFW YYR BOS DFW.. Arrives DFW 1615. Get your cameras ready

and your coat gloves and hat. That Blue Northern will be thru by then,

so the winds will be howling from the north with quite a wind chill and off/on rain   


User currently offlinemhkansan From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 672 posts, RR: 1
Reply 148, posted (8 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 8458 times:

Quoting MesaFlyGuy (Reply 145):
Will it be delivered to JFK or DFW?

Airbus base is still in DFW, so like the 762s, they'll be subbed in from time to time on DFW-LAX flights.


User currently offlinecommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11428 posts, RR: 61
Reply 149, posted (8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8063 times:

These planes are going to be incredible - definitely looking forward to flying on them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4HOMQq14l8


User currently offlinecrAAzy From United States of America, joined Jan 2008, 771 posts, RR: 0
Reply 150, posted (8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7912 times:
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Quoting mhkansan (Reply 67):
Lower CASMs. The people filling the 22 F seats on the domestic 757 routes aren't paying for it. 16F is enough to allow some upgrade availability while allowing higher density and lower costs for the whole aircraft - and still only need for four flight attendants.

I'd beg to differ with the comment . Have you tried booking any flights into Miami lately? Try and get a F upgrade as an EXP on any of these flights, even out of cities like DCA. The only way to confirm a F seat into MIA as of late has been to buy one and all you have to do is look at the prices AA is charging for F tickets on these flights (Prices are anywhere from 100-200% higher than they were 6 months ago at $900-$1500 one way).

AA is doing itself a real disservice by cutting out so many F seats on it's domestic fleet, especially given the number of FF it will have after the US merger. The end result will be essentially the elimination of a major EXP benefit and they should just eliminate upgrades for GLD altogether because they are never gonna happen.

Quoting aajfksjubklyn (Reply 52):
Not looking forward to this and agree I will take a 762 right down till the end. I am glad Delta has a mix of dual/twin aisels on this route now-it's the advantage AA had for years, and now they have tossed it. My decision on which airline to fly is now based on Wide-body's only. This plane is not going to be fun, although it appears it through marketing. If the seats are anything like the new slimline seats on the 737's and A319's, they are horrible back breakers. I have to use a sweater to create cushion and lumbar support.

Well, interestingly enough AA will now have a subfleet of about a dozen 788s so never say never  


User currently offlineuberflieger From United States of America, joined Jun 2013, 503 posts, RR: 0
Reply 151, posted (8 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 7717 times:
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Quoting commavia (Reply 149):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P4HOMQq14l8

W O W, thanx for posting the link, really great behind the scenes info and yes, these airplanes are going to be so   



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User currently offlinearielwar From United States of America, joined Aug 2013, 112 posts, RR: 0
Reply 152, posted (8 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7212 times:

Thanks for the Video, I really think the new interiors are staying and will be implemented fleet wide.

User currently offlinequestions From Australia, joined Sep 2011, 755 posts, RR: 1
Reply 153, posted (8 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 6873 times:

Quoting commavia (Reply 149):
These planes are going to be incredible - definitely looking forward to flying on them:

Thanks for sharing. Interesting and informative. AA has done a really good job on cabin design, especially in the premium cabins.

It raises the question, does DL even have a cabin design team. DL's premium cabins look like base models selected from a catalog.

If both airlines are chasing high value customers:

1. Did DL study the demographics and lifestyles of their premium customers? If so, how did AA and DL come up with a vastly different look and feel to their products?

2. Was it simply that one had a bigger budget?

3. Did one over "value-engineer" the design or use flawed paired comparisons surveys with their customers, e.g., "Mr Customer, do you prefer brushed aluminum trim around the seats or your flight to arrive on-time?

4. Are their strategies to attract the same target vastly different, e.g., is DL's strategy "mass chic"?

5. Are their target customers really that different?

6. Does cabin design really matter, especially if your premium customers are flying on corporate contracts with no choice of selecting another airline due to the difference in negotiated pricing?

It will be interesting to see how this plays out post AA-US merger integration.


User currently offlineKarelXWB From Netherlands, joined Jul 2012, 10743 posts, RR: 31
Reply 154, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6452 times:

N101NN has been delivered. Press release here:

http://hub.aa.com/en/nr/pressrelease...bus-a321-transcontinental-aircraft



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User currently offlineDDR From Switzerland, joined Sep 2013, 155 posts, RR: 1
Reply 155, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 6272 times:

Quoting questions (Reply 153):
It will be interesting to see how this plays out post AA-US merger integration.

Agree 100% with that statement. I think there will be some changes. Hopefully, nothing too drastic on the AA side. I am amazed at the amount of new aircraft that AA will be receiving. Very impressive.



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User currently offlineLittleOwl From Germany, joined Oct 2013, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 156, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5689 times:

It is in the air now. It has departed Hamburg Finkenwerder Airport (XFW) at 9:00 AM local time.

It can be tracked on Flightradar24:

http://fr24.com/AAL9708


User currently offlinePihero From France, joined Jan 2005, 4389 posts, RR: 76
Reply 157, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5574 times:
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Quoting LittleOwl (Reply 123):

I have recorded a video of takeoff and landing at Hamburg-Finkenwerder

Thank you and congratulations for the quality of your filming.
Superb handling from the test pilots, both in terms of flying - the takeoff rotation was smooth and precise, the landing was a textbook kiss on wet runway - and on the ground : the 180° at the end of the runway, especially for the long 321 had no hesitation... Note there was no reversing thrust as the kite was very light.

I'll keep that video.



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User currently offlineAviaponcho From France, joined Aug 2011, 611 posts, RR: 8
Reply 158, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 5501 times:

Indeed it's a nice livery on this bird and nice video

User currently offlineLittleOwl From Germany, joined Oct 2013, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 159, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5152 times:

This is some footage from earlier today when N101NN departed Hamburg Finkenwerder Airport (XFW) / Germany for its delivery flight to the United States. I hope to see some pictures and videos from there soon. So get your cameras ready.



User currently offlinerobt760 From United States of America, joined Jun 2009, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 160, posted (8 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4693 times:

Quoting JoePatroni707 (Reply 146):
Delivery now scheduled for 11/22/13. Routing XFW YYR BOS DFW.. Arrives DFW 1615. Get your cameras ready

Ooops, the routing was through BGR; YYR and BOS were not part of the flight plan according to Flight Aware.


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