airbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 7454 posts, RR: 11 Reply 3, posted (1 month 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 14014 times:
Quoting wingman (Thread starter): I was aware of the 777 interest but the 787 top up sounds like good news. Despite all the negative press the 787 must be doing well enough in service that the people that count are taking their options.
There's no doubt that the 787 is an aircraft with a lot of demand regardless of all it's problems, which will be solved. However I wouldn't describe Ethiad as "people that count". In my opinion the jury is still out on the viability of all of these ME carriers with the same business model and it's hard to warm up to a government owned airline that very suspiciously never reported earnings figures for the first 8 years of its existence, until 2011 when all of a sudden it had a huge profit.
Stitch From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 28477 posts, RR: 84 Reply 6, posted (1 month 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 13220 times:
Quoting fraapproach (Reply 4): Can anyone please elaborate on the water injection engines? I remember that this technology was used in the early jet age in order to increase takeoff thrust. Is it the same here?
Emirates Airline have stated that for the hottest days at DXB, the 777-9 needs liquid-coolant injection for the GE9X to meet their performance requirements. I have not heard anything from GE about such plans, however. GE does have a "thrust bump" option for the GE90-110/115 for operations at airports like DXB that increase TOGA thrust by around 3% at the cost of higher engine wear. I would expect this would be GE's response, but it sounds like liquid cooling would give the same effect without the extra engine wear (though it would increase engine weight and complexity).
lightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 11885 posts, RR: 100 Reply 17, posted (1 month 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7696 times:
EY really is starting to grow. I once thought of them as the weakest of the 3 mid-east carriers. An airline I didn't take seriously as they before didn't have a strategy. But something changed. First is was AB, then JU, 9W, and also the code share with VA. Suddenly, EY is to be taken seriously as they have 'bought' their way into their own alliance. I see a few holes in their route network (e.g., the ex-CIS states), but they have impressively improved their game with the new alliances.
And all that new traffic will feed these new widebodies.
Quoting 9MMPD (Reply 1): I wonder if the 787 order will be for the 787-10 which will add to their already sizeable 787-9 order.
The ME airlines are ideal customers for the 78J. The amount of territory within economical 78J range is impressive. My only worry would be the hot takeoff performance. However, I speculate enough routes would remain with good payload that is a suitable candidate.
I say that for the fact that Tim Clark is the one driving the requirements, so he better buy what he requested, scbriml. I seem to remember some here saying he pressed Boeing a bit on the 748i and he didn't buy. That's what I mean. They can't go around designing aircraft he "says" he wants and he ends up "nope".
We do live in a strange world! Have you stepped away from the internet to see?
0NEWAIR0 From United States of America, joined May 2007, 931 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (1 month 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4656 times:
Quoting NeutronStar73 (Reply 5): I wonder what Emirates order will be? Is the $50 billion quoted in the article a sum total of all the airlines?
If Emirates doesn't order the 777X, Boeing should seriously kick Tim Clark to the curb...
There's a rumor going around that Boeing has lined up orders for 300 777X to be announced at the Dubai Air Show. If the rumor is true, the orders are supposedly split between 3 middle eastern carriers.
"The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams."
EPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4249 posts, RR: 37 Reply 21, posted (1 month 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4418 times:
Quoting 0NEWAIR0 (Reply 19): There's a rumor going around that Boeing has lined up orders for 300 777X to be announced at the Dubai Air Show.
That would make it the most spectacular Dubai Air Show ever. But rumours must be confirmed first before the become reality. And the competition will also not sit still, so I will wait and see what news the Dubai Air Show will bring for us all.
Kengo From Japan, joined Apr 2013, 69 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (1 month 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4339 times:
Quoting 0NEWAIR0 (Reply 19): There's a rumor going around that Boeing has lined up orders for 300 777X to be announced at the Dubai Air Show. If the rumor is true, the orders are supposedly split between 3 middle eastern carriers.
If the rumor is true, the 777X could achieve at least 500 orders, including options, before EIS. If Airbus wants a piece of this pie, they better work faster on the A350-1100.
EPA001 From Netherlands, joined Sep 2006, 4249 posts, RR: 37 Reply 24, posted (1 month 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4205 times:
Quoting Kengo (Reply 22): the 777X could achieve at least 500 orders, including options, before EIS. If Airbus wants a piece of this pie, they better work faster on the A350-1100.
Well, since the EIS of the B777-X will be in the timeframe 2020-2022 it will easily be sold out till mid 2025 if so many order come in. And Boeing has lots of obstacles still to overcome.
The A350-1000 will have its EIS in 2017, and at that time Airbus will have a very good notion of what the performance characteristics of the B777-X will be. So launching an upgraded A350-1100 in 2018-2020 with an EIS around 2023-2025 would still be perfectly feasible, if they feel the market potential is there.
Like Airbus said just this week, there is no need to rush. And they will have their hands full at present with bringing the A350 and the A32X-neo to the market in large numbers. And the order books are so full that also an A350 is pretty much sold out until 2018/2019 or so. Which only confirms Airbus's assessment that there is no reason to rush.
25 garpd: Talk to Qantas about the 777. They were one of the Airlines on the development team and the only one I believe to not order it.
26 BlueSky1976: More than likely that number includes purchase options. Boeing will never lock out other customers out of production slots by letting U-Turn Al and T
27 chiad: IMHO there is no rush! Even with "only" 150 firm orders and an EIS in 2020-2022 the B777X would be unavailable for at least a decade ++. Just imagine
28 EddieDude: Any chance TK might be interested too? Seems TK kind of ruled out quad-engined VLAs, yet their strategy to use IST as an East-to-West hub could make
29 ER757: Wouldn't LH have to be included since their "order" was based on the aircraft actually being officially launched? I can't imagine there being 300 fir
30 tortugamon: This number sounds aggressive. I would be surprised if EK's order is even final at this point. I could see EK-100, LH-34, EY-30, QR-20 (plus I think