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Frontier TTN Thread Part 5  
User currently offlineiowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4363 posts, RR: 6
Posted (9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 13862 times:
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Here we go with part 5. Part four is archived but available for viewing here: Frontier TTN Thread Part 4 (by Jerseyguy Jul 25 2013 in Civil Aviation)


Next flights: WN DSM-LAS-PHX, US PHX-SJD. Return: US SJD-PHX, WN PHX-MDW-DSM
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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16810 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (9 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 13850 times:

I was at the Pearl Jam show at the Wells Fargo Center last night in Philly. Huge Frontier airlines advertisements all around the Sports Complex on I-95 promoting TTN on those electric billboards.


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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24996 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (9 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 13809 times:
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From the previous thread:

"Any further expansion is probably not possible right now without a resolution of some kind to the NIMBYs."

Oh, probably, but I can't imagine what that resolution would be, other than to say that other places have fought this battle and there has always been a resolution.

Really, the only point of my list was to show that Frontier still has many potential choices from TTN, and I left out more than a few.

At some point, I guess they'll have to come to terms with the Gulf Coast - PNS or ECP perhaps, but there's also MOB, which presently has no service to the northeast at all (and which is where Airbus is building a vast new plant to build A320's, maybe some for Frontier - LOL) or maybe GSP.

North Carolina is pretty well covered (will they connect GSO to TTN?) but there's nothing to South Carolina yet. Ohio's getting there, but then there's Kentucky or Tennessee. - I dunno if Delta's latest, just announced cuts at MEM mean anything for Frontier, but maybe.

As to the terminal space - a year ago, I doubt anyone would have guessed there would be this level of service or the improvements that you list. I've no idea what the next twelve months will bring.

I suppose the biggest surprise to me is that given the high levels of air service on the East Coast, there are still so many opportunities and without treading on too many toes.

mariner

[Edited 2013-10-22 16:34:00]


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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3052 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 13759 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 2):
At some point, I guess they'll have to come to terms with the Gulf Coast - PNS or ECP perhaps, but there's also MOB

Because airframe availability seems to be an issue If TTN-MEM pans out perhaps their might be some sort of partner agreement with http://www.iflysouthern.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=pubDsp.dspRouteMap Southern flies to several Gulf Coast communities from Memphis. A little airport tweaking makes it possible.

Southern Airways Express flies into and out of secondary airports thus they would have to commit to MSY and MEM for two. I believe they operate as a charter operation under FAA guidelines.



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User currently offlineJerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1951 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 13733 times:
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Quoting mariner (Reply 2):
Oh, probably, but I can't imagine what that resolution would be, other than to say that other places have fought this battle and there has always been a resolution.

I guess what I meant was the FAA needs to give a definitive answer about an EIS and Mercer County (TTN) needs to know how far they can go without an EIS. Do temporary (modular) strutures not require an EIS (would a LGB trailer expansion work)? In the end they may just need to do an EIS, except for the fact that I'm sure its costly and time consuming.



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User currently offlineFlytravel From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 13641 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 2):
North Carolina is pretty well covered (will they connect GSO to TTN?) but there's nothing to South Carolina yet.

It'd be nice for South Carolina like CHS that I mentioned before, but I know in the past (when WN flew PHL-RDU on low fares), many would rent a car at RDU and then be willing to drive 3-4 hours after that, since gasoline is cheap, weather is typically more pleasant in the Carolinas and there are no highway tolls between the regions. So, do RDU and CLT suffice as gateways for both NC and SC and would more service dilute demand to the existing service? I don't know.

Maybe CHS would be nice as an upscale alternative to NK's flights to MYR, as F9 is still a little more upscale than NK atleast right now, and CHS is more upscale as a vacation spot than MYR apparently.

Quoting point2point:

WIth that, a slight revision of the list in order of population of CSA......

BOS, DFW (or maybe too far at about 1350 miles?), MSP, CLE, STL, PIT, CLT, MCI, IND, MKE, BNA, ORF, GSO, JAX, SDF, GRR, GSP, MEM, BHM and even BUF or ROC for about the top 20 or so markets.

Here's my thoughts on a few:
BOS- maybe already covered low fare wise by B6 with EWR/PHL service around TTN but maybe F9 could try it out.

DFW- NK is running low fares out of PHL, and US is matching on advance purchase nonstops and WN on one-stops. TTN's runway maybe too short. I think the frequency would have to be atleast 5x weekly for either IAH or DFW (otherwise pax will choose a flight (direct or connect) at PHL or EWR), and it seems F9 would prefer TTN over ILG, but TTN has the runway issue.

MSP-beyond MDW and into the upper midwest. Longer flight and more risk taken. I can't see it on the radar or likely. WN doesn't even fly BWI-MSP nonstop because even WN knows its a long flight and one where likely more demand is business travel (in this case, preference for DCA) than stimulated demand travel.

But, maybe F9 could get a code-share with Sun Country that flies MDW-MSP. Thus one can do TTN-MDW-MSP and avoid flying WN for whatever reason while still using MDW. F9 and Sun Country are both in C concourse.

I think PIT and CLE are strong contenders. If it flew to TTN-PIT, one could drive to CLE, and CLE pax could drive to PIT. However, if it did TTN-CLE, I don't think PIT pax would drive to CLE to fly to TTN, as it's a backtrack.

Since F9 is already at PHF, maybe it'd do PHF-TTN over ORF. FL used to fly PHF-LGA and PHF-BOS and PHF-TTN could be like a NYC/Philly access.

GRR would be interesting as US lacks even PHL-GRR and service to Michigan is limited to just DTW from PHL. I know some that trek to BWI, connect in ORD or fly to DTW and rent a car just because of lack of PHL-GRR service and none are great options. There is EWR-GRR but the fares are ridiculous, over $1000.

[Edited 2013-10-22 20:17:52]

User currently offlineJerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1951 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 13620 times:
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Quoting Flytravel (Reply 5):
I think PIT and CLE are strong contenders.

It cost $31 in tolls and $40-50 in gas each way to drive to PIT from the TTN area, and PIT is only an hour plane ride from TTN, F9 could do a round trip in 3 hours, not very long to be missing an aircraft. Plus all the consturction on the PA Turnpike is tiring. Would F9 consider Youngstown. 1:15-1:20 to Pittsburgh and Cleveland has a terminal with 4 tarmac gates and even 2 Jetbridges. Costs would be lower. Alliegant flies to FL from there.

[Edited 2013-10-22 20:48:13]


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User currently offlinemariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24996 posts, RR: 85
Reply 7, posted (9 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 13584 times:
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Daniel Shurz addressing the business lunch:

http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2...ead_at_trenton-mercer_airport.html

"Frontier Airlines executive: Blue skies ahead at Trenton-Mercer Airport

“We keep telling the airport that whatever additional capacity they make available, we’ll keep putting more planes in to use up the capacity,” Shurz said."


Not a lot of hard route news - still investigating non-stops to DEN (they want to do it, obviously) and a wee bit of talk about BOS.

But good stuff.

mariner



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User currently offlineJerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1951 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 13583 times:
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Interesting article about a speech given at a Trenton Small Business luncheon by Daniel Schurz (Senior VP). I was going to actually go to this luncheon but I figured rightly there would be an article about his comments.

A few quote worthy comments

“We keep telling the airport that whatever additional capacity they make available, we’ll keep putting more planes in to use up the capacity,” Shurz said.
(WOW)

Also about BOS service (and other places within a 5 hour drive)
Frontier is hesitant about flying up to the Boston area because it is less that a 5-hour drive, and that tends to reduce the demand for flights, but the airline has considered it, Shurz said.

Quote on TTN-DEN service
The airline is also looking at how it can build a direct flight to Denver into the future plans at Trenton-Mercer, Shurz said, not only because the city is a great destination but also because it would present customers with the opportunity to take advantage of many connecting flights. Frontier is based in Denver and a direct flight from Trenton-Mercer to Denver would open connections as far as California, Alaska and Cancun.

http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2...ead_at_trenton-mercer_airport.html

Edited to say: seems Mariner beat me by about a minute to this.

[Edited 2013-10-22 21:25:30]


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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3052 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 13430 times:

Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 6):
It cost $31 in tolls and $40-50 in gas each way to drive to PIT from the TTN area, and PIT is only an hour plane ride from TTN,

I wonder if State College in PA might be a better choice over PIT. State College is an hour drive from PIT. I still think F9 or perhaps even the TTN airport should consider entering into some sort of agreement with Megabus to stop at select airports. Megabus is widely recognized as the ULCC in motor coach travel.

Quoting mariner (Reply 7):

Quoting Shurz from the article "Frontier is hesitant about flying up to the Boston area because it is less than a 5-hour drive",

From my perch 6-7 hours bwtween TTN and BOS is more realistic at the wrong time of day w. I-95 in northern Jersey and the NYC area is atrocious. My driving route of choice which takes me across the Hudson on the Tappan Zee bridge has been known to back-up. Add to that the condition of I-95 in and around Providence area north of PVD to the Mass state-line was pothole (crater) ridden last year which slowed us down.

I use to drive from the North End area of Boston to the northern Maryland suburbs avoiding I-95 corridor for a more north mid Jersey Interstate in no less than 10-11 hours driving down Highway 15 through Harrisburg and Gettysburg.

Reading between the lines of Mr. Shurz statement about TTN-BOS takes on the appearance and potentally squashes PVD which is even closer to BOS driving the I-95 corridor.

I wonder if HVN might be an alternate airport roughly and hour between NYC and PVD and within the catchment area of two Ivy league schools; Yale and Brown. F9 seems to like Ivy league towns with Princeton and to a certain extent William & Mary near PHF.

I saw no less than seven flights today between TTN-HVN today on a BE20 puddle jumper which might indicate a need http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N636B



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User currently offlineJerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1951 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 13307 times:
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Here's a shot of the progress being made on the 3rd major parking lot at TTN (it seems too big to be the small lot for cellphone use



For perspective on how big it is (From Google maps)



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User currently offlinen75jyv From United States of America, joined Sep 2013, 19 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 13265 times:

Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 10):
(it seems too big to be the small lot for cellphone use

I saw that lot, too, during my last drive by. Wasn't there supposed to be a new "Employee Lot"? Could that be it? Seems maybe big for that, too (unless Frontier needs more space for local staff and crew). I assume that they'd keep the rental car parking closer in than that, but you never know.

On a separate topic, the prior schedule seemed to have two FR planes RON'ing at TTN. Wonder which of the local hotels picked up the business, or are some of the crews really somewhat local? With the expansion, do you think we'll see more than two planes overnight?

And last, I looked at the official Trenton Mercer site, and saw the listing of flights which landed between Midnight and 6am (during the voluntary curfew). I think there were 6 FR flights that came in at odd hours. Did the county actually run the parking shuttle buses at 2:45am (June 15)?

http://www.state.nj.us/counties/merc...artments/airport/air_activity.html


User currently offlineJerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1951 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 13213 times:
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Quoting n75jyv (Reply 11):
Did the county actually run the parking shuttle buses at 2:45am (June 15)?

Don't know for sure but when they mentioned how much the shuttle cost (I think it was $40,000 a month), they said it was for 20 hours 7 days a week. So what does that mean does it run from 6:00am to 2:00am the following morning, if so then I'm sure they would have held it for 45 minutes to accommodate the late inbound flight. Plus that may not have been a passenger flight at all, I know that they've had repo(sitioning) flights to replace one that was having a mechanical issue. I know on the May 24th 4:50am was a repo flight from Denver

Quoting n75jyv (Reply 11):
I saw that lot, too, during my last drive by. Wasn't there supposed to be a new "Employee Lot"? Could that be it? Seems maybe big for that, too (unless Frontier needs more space for local staff and crew). I assume that they'd keep the rental car parking closer in than that, but you never know.

Hmm..I don't know, based on my calculations with TSA, Mercer County Sherrifs Department, WFS (Frontier contractor) and the rental cars, you'd need atleast 50-65 spaces plus room for the cell phone lot. They had 630 spaces in the main lot in front of the terminal and 240 spaces in the secondary terminal lot. If they doubled that which I think is possible based on the amount of free space they had that would leave 115 spaces for the lot in question which might be right. It very well might be the Cell Phone/Employee/Rental Car lot.

Quoting n75jyv (Reply 11):
On a separate topic, the prior schedule seemed to have two FR planes RON'ing at TTN. Wonder which of the local hotels picked up the business, or are some of the crews really somewhat local? With the expansion, do you think we'll see more than two planes overnight?

Atleast during the Spring Break Period (Mid-February to End of April), I believe they will have 3 planes RONing there. Whether that stays after the end of the SB period is the question. Daniel Schurz did say whatever capacity they are given they will use so its possible they will keep the 3rd plane and announce a few (2-3) new destinations for the summer starting in May.

Oh and to answer your question about where the crew stays. On my return flight from Chicago in May, I did see flight crew get on a hotel shuttle bus. I believe it was the SpringHill Suites in Ewing which is less than 2 miles away in a corporate park. http://www.marriott.com/hotels/trave...hill-suites-ewing-princeton-south/

[Edited 2013-10-23 17:32:32]


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User currently offlineslcdeltarumd11 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3341 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 13185 times:

Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 9):
From my perch 6-7 hours bwtween TTN and BOS is more realistic at the wrong time of day w. I-95 in northern Jersey and the NYC area is atrocious.

4 hours is pretty reasonable if you hit no traffic and go with the flow of traffic much less from north jersey. I just dont see the demand on that route at all for frontier. Amtrak is the answer for someone who doenst want to drive and on that route people are gonna want and be use to frequency. Amtrak is awesome on that route and very affordable if you book ahead and have AAA. Frontier has no business flying TTN-BOS and their model wouldnt work on that route its way too close and amtrak is too good. Frontier is NOT getting or looking for business travellers, the leisure crowd on that route is gonna take amtrak or just drive for the weekend. TTN is much better for less than daily leisure travellers who are flying to destinations where they are flexible on dates/times aka vacationers or visiting family. They cannot support business travel nor is that the market anyone thinks Frontier is getting at TTN they are ULCC leisure especially out of TTN. BOS is probably the best example of a market they shoudln't fly from TTN IMHO.


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Reply 14, posted (9 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 13156 times:
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Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 9):
Quoting Shurz from the article "Frontier is hesitant about flying up to the Boston area because it is less than a 5-hour drive",


TTN-BOS is obviously on their minds and on the minds of some of their pax - why else would DS even mention it?

I think there's an answer, but I'll leave them to sort it out.  

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User currently offlineJA From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 563 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 months 2 days ago) and read 13029 times:

It is 3 hours to the Bronx with no traffic. 4.5 hours is the minimum to the Trenton area and 5.5 to 6 hours is more like it under standard conditions. BOS is potentially a Massport issue with space and/or price.

User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3052 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12927 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 14):
TTN-BOS is obviously on their minds and on the minds of some of their pax - why else would DS even mention it?

I suspect BOS is being discussed because NK offers service there. Even though Franke has a sold his stake in NK; he will probably want to tread lightly for a while. A cooling down period of sorts.

F9 and Massport were said to be in a pis*ing contest a few years ago when F9 served the city from DEN. Massport also manages ORH (Worcester, MA ) so I don't think it would be their either if the bru-ha-ha still exist. With that said F9 was under different management,

I personally would like to see F9 set up shop at PVD, PSM, MHT in that order. I think PSM is a no brainer seasonally. I think PVD to the south and PSM to the north takes car of BOS and everything in between. Maine tourism who drive NH/Maine Route 1 (the Maine coastal route) catch route 1 not to far from PSM. PWM is forty miles north and requires a easterly deviation to connect up with Route 1. I-95 and the Maine Turnpike are very toll driven.

As we arm chair potentially new markets I think we should look at markets not currently served by NK, BOS is one of those markets http://www.spirit.com/RouteMaps.aspx

Quoting JA (Reply 15):

That's more realistic. When I use to commute into Boston from the south shore. Fifteen minutes either side of 6:00 AM made all of the difference at 5:45 I flowed; after 6:00 AM I slowed. It was a good 4.5 hours from BOS to the Hudson.



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Reply 17, posted (9 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 12903 times:
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Quoting GentFromAlaska (Reply 16):
I think PVD to the south and PSM to the north takes car of BOS and everything in between.

  

I'm a big fan of PSM, especially in summer.

I remember the battles between Frontier and Massport when they were remodelling Terminal A, which left no gate for Frontier and Massport told 'em to go to MHT or PVD - or pound sand.

I use BOS as a proxy for "New England" and I'd love to see 'em set up shop somewhere instead of BOS. PSM? PVD? MHT? Don't care.

Really, there are so many choices. IND - Republic's home base - being one. And I never understood Frontier's first foray into MEM because it was a Northwest hub and Frontier had just been bloodied by NWA on LAX-MSP - but I understand DEN-MEM now, with Delta busy dehubbing MEM, and I would understand MEM-TTN, which would have minimal competition.

But that keeps coming back to how many flights TTN can physically handle. The day before Thanksgiving should be interesting, when some stations (MDW, DTW and RDU e.g.) have double daily flights and we'll see how the airport copes.

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User currently offlineFlytravel From United States of America, joined Dec 2009, 873 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 12870 times:

PVD-TTN is likely too short but PVD-DEN on 4 or 5x weekly would provide DEN back with service to New England on F9 and PVD with DEN as WN is leaving the route to focus on BOS-DEN. PVD is the second busiest airport in the Boston CSA and has train access to Boston.

As for TTN, I hope the owners are not applying the 5 hour drive rule to discount TTN-PIT's viability. BOS has train and B6 access, but PIT from Philly doesn't have low fare access except by bus.

If new direction of F9 follows NK in approach with multiple focus cities instead of hubs, PIT would be an ideal small focus and F9 could fly PIT-PVD as well, PIT-TTN and other routes, maybe PIT-MSY.


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Reply 19, posted (9 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 12835 times:

Quoting Flytravel (Reply 18):
If new direction of F9 follows NK in approach with multiple focus cities instead of hubs, PIT would be an ideal small focus and F9 could fly PIT-PVD as well, PIT-TTN and other routes, maybe PIT-MSY.

Indigo's efforts with Wizz Air and Volaris may show us a sample layout of what focus cities may look like for F9 in the future. Wizz has a main hub like presence in the greater London area, and more or less focus cities in Poland and Central Europe. Outside of the London location, the other focus cities seem to have 15-20 destinations that are point to point. Some of these destinations do have more than one daily frequency while others are daily or less than daily. In addition, some cities Wizz flies to has service to an additional five or six destinations themselves that are not focus locations, again which may be daily or less than daily.

In looking at the Volaris route map a similar pattern is apparent with the secondary Mexico City airport being the main hub and a large focus city in Tijuana. Volaris routes are similar in pattern and structure to Wizz. I have not looked yet at the other Indigo interests but would expect to find similar route planning pattens/strategies.

What is noticeable with both Wizz and Volaris is that there are a number of shorter functional p2p routes from the focus airports, as well as p2p service from outlier airports to other locations, and a mix of long haul flights which some are to the hub/focus airports and others probably tourist spots. Each seems to have some seasonal service factored in.

It would be my guess too that we will see a similar pattern emerge with F9's future route planning. PIT has been mentioned and it sounds reasonable. I would venture to say that airport costs three may be high given the US pull down and large number of excess gates, as well as other vacant facilities at the field. All of these are costing infastructure $$ that could increase F9 operating costs our of the facility. Perhaps they could get a break from the Alleghaney Authority to sign on.

Once we get a picture of what the fleet acquisition >2014 will look like, I think it will be fun to speculate what focus cities (20-30 departures/day) might come about after the first of the year. Several in the east and perhaps a couple of spots west of the Mississippi and in the west. Here are a few that might have some possibilities given Indigo's other interests:
IND, MCI, OMA, LAS, CAE, MEM, LEX, MKE, SDF, GSO, MSY, OKC, TUL to name a few. What do you think?

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Reply 20, posted (9 months 11 hours ago) and read 12664 times:
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Quoting Frontier14 (Reply 19):
IND, MCI, OMA, LAS, CAE, MEM, LEX, MKE, SDF, GSO, MSY, OKC, TUL to name a few.

I think the most interesting one on that list might be CAE, which has no LCC service at all. When Southwest was toying with that neck of the woods, CAE was prepared to throw $15 million at 'em, but Southwest went to CHS/GSP instead.

CAE took it very badly and said it didn't really want LCC's anyway, and would concentrate on its legacy airlines. But then it calmed down and a deal was in the works for them to be able to offer $10 million to attract LCC service:

http://www.columbiabusinessreport.com/news/34064/print

"Compromise would give Columbia $10M to lure airline"

If it went through, I'm amazed that no one has taken it up, but with or without the $10 million they're keen.

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User currently offlineJerseyguy From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 1951 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 months 5 hours ago) and read 12566 times:
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Quoting mariner (Reply 20):
CAE took it very badly and said it didn't really want LCC's anyway, and would concentrate on its legacy airlines. But then it calmed down and a deal was in the works for them to be able to offer $10 million to attract LCC service:

Columbia is just a little bit too far to be an alternate for Charleston but with a subsidy, so they'd be guaranteed not to lose money they might just want to try it Columbia's problem is that they are within an hour and a half to Charlotte.



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Reply 22, posted (9 months 1 hour ago) and read 12519 times:
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Quoting Jerseyguy (Reply 21):
Columbia's problem is that they are within an hour and a half to Charlotte.

GSP is a bit closer to CLT and yet Southwest serves both, flying to mostly the same places from each.

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User currently offlineGentFromAlaska From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 3052 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 12449 times:

Quoting mariner (Reply 20):

CAE has just shy of a 132K populous. It does seem to have a higher than the national average unemployment rate at 9.2% Here are some stats provide by the visitors bureau http://www.columbiacvb.com/ and some additional city statistics http://www.city-data.com/city/Columbia-South-Carolina.html



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Quoting mariner (Reply 22):
GSP is a bit closer to CLT and yet Southwest serves both, flying to mostly the same places from each.
GSP has the Asheville Area where its harder to get to CLT because of the lack of a direct freeway. Also GSP only has limited WN flights (1x to BWI, BNA and HOU, 2x to MDW). CAE might pickup some of the West Suburbs of Charleston but with a subsidy its worth a try

TTN will or has a defacto slot system do to its terminal capacity though.so if we'll see CHS or SAV first before we see CAE.

[Edited 2013-10-26 09:10:21]


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25 Post contains images point2point : With some $10M on the table, if only F9 had some spare birds, there could be a range of destinations that F9 could attempt from there and not have th
26 Post contains images mariner : The MSA is almost 800,000. DEN-centric Frontier has one over-riding problem - winter. At any point in the its history, no matter how well it did the
27 Flytravel : The CSA is larger and CAE can pull from Augusta, GA. But, I'm not sure where F9 will fly profitably from CAE (maybe CAE-DEN?) Yeah, ABE-MCO got canne
28 GentFromAlaska : If I'm understanding correctly; I looked at two airport distance calculators one read 58 statute miles between TTN-ILG and the other 58. Not sure whe
29 Jerseyguy : Flytravel is talking about if someone where to live in Bridgewater NJ (about 25 miles SW of Newark), they would be approximately 35 miles from TTN (5
30 mariner : I'm only thinking of TTN, I'm not looking for potential focus cities. I also think it is impossible to second guess Daniel Shurz, but there may be so
31 Post contains images point2point : Hmmmmm..... those stat wallahs, eh?....... Well, at least this basket at DEN has yet to be cracked though, ...... correct? That's why $10M at CAE is
32 Post contains images mariner : Whatever works. Only because Southwest blew the auction, everything springs from that. The DEN hub is what it always was - the greatest strength and
33 Post contains links Flytravel : I found an old article from January of this year, that PIT was seeking more service: http://www.post-gazette.com/business...-destinations/stories/201
34 Jerseyguy : LBE is one option. If the western suburbs of Pittsburgh and the eastern suburbs of Cleveland have enough population you could do YNG (Youngstown, OH)
35 Post contains images Jerseyguy : Took a ride by the terminal at TTN today. I took a shot of what I'm hoping is not the modular baggage claim. Couldn't get a good look but it looks sma
36 Post contains links mariner : As in this thread, Airbus has just announced that a retrofits of sharklets for the A319 are now available: Airbus Offer: Retrofit For A319 & A320
37 GentFromAlaska : It sounds like sharklets do everything but fly the plane.
38 PITrules : Pittsburgh to State College is an almost 3 hour drive, and its not all freeway. Pittsburgh truly is in no man's land. The incentive program however e
39 Post contains links mariner : Take for whatever you think it is worth, but according to TheStreet.com, which is a reasonably reputable Wall Street paper, a deal with the pilots is
40 n75jyv : That structure has been there for some time.... don't think it has anything to do with baggage claim. I drove by on Scotch Road and looks like the EM
41 Jerseyguy : Yeah, I just saw a pic of the terminal taken in April from the Tarmac and it was there too. Glad to hear the pilots have agreed on a deal Without a de
42 Post contains links and images mariner : Well, it isn't a done deal until it is announced and it hasn't been officially announced yet, but I would be very surprised if it fell apart on the p
43 Lexy : F9 at MEM would be a flop. O & D is too low for one.
44 Lexy : I don't see how a hub for F9 would work at MEM. It's not a huge market for O & D traffic and it's not a huge draw nationally. Perhaps if you want
45 Post contains images mariner : MEM as a hub for Frontier, or even a focus city? Gosh, I hope not - Frontier's already been there and tried that and Northwest went nuclear. But - ti
46 GentFromAlaska : Courtesy the OAG threads; DL is also pulling down MEM-CMH in February and MEM-MKE in January. I don't think a demand for MEM-CMH exist but might we s
47 Lexy : I agree 100%. MEM is not a gold mine that DL is just giving up on. There's a very good reason it's losing it's "hub" status outside the obvious (ATL)
48 mariner : At the same time, there is a reason MEM was a hub in the first place and for an airline that isn't going to expand at ATL, MEM might have some value
49 Lexy : I can see your point and it makes sense to me. One thing, though, if I'm looking in that general direction, I have to wonder about BNA. It has good O
50 Post contains images mariner : Sure, BNA - but there are a number of others and I haven't yet worked out a pattern or even if there is a pattern. So I just use Daniel Shurz's comme
51 Jerseyguy : Southwest is so much more expensive then Frontier in this market. Southwest starts at $139 for the winter months (thru Mid-March) and Frontier starts
52 Flytravel : Yeah, WN is more expensive and it's difficult to understand the sometimes very high fare, than maybe WN wanting to save seats for connections (e.g. P
53 Flytravel : Even though I'd like PIT /LBE service more, my guess is CLE is the next VFR market for TTN service. I think for these following reasons: 1. High nons
54 Post contains images jerseyguy : We have word about parking rates at TTN. Now I can see why Brian Hughes wanted up to $12. I think $8 is a bit high, I certainly hope that they have do
55 Post contains images jerseyguy : Also lots of spaces for rental cars, seems like enterprise/national is expecting business, probably has to do with them moving from a retail location
56 Frontier14 : How does this long term parking rate compare to PHL or EWR ? Frontier 14
57 jerseyguy : PHL is $11 a day EWR is $18 a day. 3rd party lots at Newark start at $8 and at Philly at $6. I guess its not that bad. As long as the fare is good eno
58 mariner : Just as I was warming to the idea of PIT - but not LBE. I love that Frontier is using a tertiary airport (TTN) to provide service to primary airports
59 jerseyguy : Hmm..if F9 starts TTN-CLE. DAY and CAK will be the only two major airports in Ohio without service to Trenton.[Edited 2013-11-02 12:25:44]
60 Post contains images mariner : I doubt CAK is even a consideration for Frontier. Or DAY. Another reason for shifting from DAY to CVG was that a decent percentage of the DAY-DEN tra
61 Post contains links jerseyguy : Also of note: TTN's PFC request was approved. http://www.faa.gov/airports/pfc/monthly_reports/media/airports.xlsx (requires MS Excel)
62 sunking737 : MSP T-1 is $22 a day, T-2 is $16 a day, DL, AA, UA, US are T-1 SY, WN, NK are T-2
63 slcdeltarumd11 : Frontier is targeting leisure passengers but i can still see a good demand for rental cars. Example you live in RDU but flew to visit grandma. You wer
64 GentFromAlaska : I think TTN got a little greedy with the $4.50 amount. If the amounts were decided at the airport level and I think they are With the new parking fee
65 GentFromAlaska : I wonder how the TTN rental car lot will look on the day(s) leading up to Super Bowl Sunday with this years game in the Meadowlands. I have a suspici
66 jerseyguy : Fortunately for TTN, Frontiers website doesn't breakdown the taxes, you can't see the fact they are charging a PFC. I looked on Priceline and Travelo
67 Post contains images kingcavalier : F9 has to break down the taxes. I just checked a DEN-BMI fare and you can click on the taxes to see the break down.
68 Post contains links mariner : But I thought there has always been a facility charge.This article is dated July 18, 2013: http://www.mercerspace.com/news/fron...ends-trenton-mercer
69 Post contains images jerseyguy : I don't know why I didn't see that, but it does break it down. regardless I don't think that that many people are going to click on the link and find
70 Post contains links jerseyguy : No according to this notice for public comment put out by Mercer County on May 17, 2013, the effective date was to be August 2013. We hadn't heard on
71 Post contains images mariner : But from a passenger perspective - cost of ticket - surely it amounts to the same thing? If one is the official PFC and the other is the unofficial P
72 jerseyguy : I don't know what they did, however I don't think Mercer County would do anything that Frontier didn't agree to, because even though they have a 5 ye
73 mariner : Certainly, I'm sure Frontier and TTN/Mercer County are in cahoots, but I would very surprised if the original contract did not cover all potential co
74 GentFromAlaska : TTN may have collected a fee and called it something different. Whether is was legal or not is a different story. I think federally approved PFC are
75 Post contains images mariner : Since it has been publicly stated that they have been collecting a fee - see links above - I sure hope it was legal. mariner
76 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : I wouldn't expect anything less. Your use of the word cahoots; specifically the secrecy component in the definition took on the appearance of illegal
77 Jerseyguy : Tonight is a night were I'd prefer TTN have jetways. Tonights low 29F or -2C, But we won't see that until a new terminal is built which is probably at
78 rampart : The cheapest I've parked at EWR is $10, off-airport. SWF is $10 or $60 max for a week, ABE was $12, I think. I think $8 is very reasonable for the re
79 Jerseyguy : I've reconsidered, just seemed a bit high at first but your right I plan to be renting my personal car for $100 a day LOL[Edited 2013-11-03 23:09:36]
80 GentFromAlaska : I don't think this has been mentioned previously. According to the F9 Facebook page It appears the leadership team is seriously contemplating adding a
81 Frontier14 : This seems to be a logical next step given the TTN, ILG and PHL flights. There has also been some speculation that the MDW-ORD pilot base may be relo
82 slcdeltarumd11 : It is cold but you wont be outside for very long. I feel like snow is the worst for the walk to the plane carrying bags but North Jersey and NY gets
83 Lexy : Okay, can someone really fill me in as to the obsession F9 has with a small airport in New Jersey that sits outside of Philly? I can't think of one re
84 GentFromAlaska : 1. Sole source operations in a 4.5 million catchment area. 2. ULCC pricing. Compare some of the prices. 3. Roughly half the distance between Philly a
85 Post contains images mariner : You may not want to use TTN, but others do. Frontier began flying from TTN just under a year ago, with 2 x weekly TTN-MCO. In a little over a year, t
86 Lexy : Thank you! Frankfort, KY is the most obvious without service. I don't disagree with you, I was just wondering why it's been such a "hit".[Edited 2013
87 kingcavalier : Shurz commented on TTN and the Northeast in the Cranky Flier interview - [Edited 2013-11-05 12:02:29]
88 mariner : You're not alone - a lot of people are wondering that and I don't have an answer. Low fares are part of it, but so is convenience. Gent's list is fai
89 Lexy : I think it's great they are literally making something out of nothing, essentially. I look forward to see what the future holds for them there and wh
90 MtnWest1979 : Well they will have some, at the $300/day range I bet lol. Gee, I was thinking Salem,OR. But then again, I am out West. Concord,NH Salem,OR Olympia,W
91 slcdeltarumd11 : Huge catchment area and cities with no LCC competition in the region. Plus the traffic can make it take along time to get to the other airports if yo
92 Post contains images mariner : You might want to check out the ILG Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/FlyWilmILG "Frontier Airlines is expected to announce plans for the airli
93 Frontier14 : Mariner, I am hearing similar rumblings. Perhaps an ILG announcement will coincide with the formal announcement of the purchase by Indigo. On Thursda
94 mariner : I haven't sorted out the balance they see between ILG and TTN yet, so the most interesting question to me is - where? Longer haul? Shorter haul? If I
95 Post contains links and images GentFromAlaska : FFT (Frankfort, KY) is indeed one. http://flightaware.com/live/airport_status_bigmap.rvt?airport=KFFT FFT I suspect because SDF is in range at 45 mil
96 Jerseyguy : I think that also it's more of an airport you fly FROM not to. Meaning that only locals will really use it. You might also have some VFR (visiting fr
97 Flytravel : I think if one is going to Philly region, Central or Northern NJ, and there is no friend or family to pick person up, TTN can work with a car rental.
98 Post contains images Jerseyguy : I know its not much, but here's a sneak peak of the new TTN courtesy of the FLY Trenton Mercer Airport Facebook page. The TSA checkpoint has been move
99 GentFromAlaska : I'm hearing ILG is becoming popular in south Jersey for vacationers including those in ACY. The Coast Guard training center in Cape May graduates a r
100 MtnWest1979 : And Lexington (LEX) only 29 miles away.
101 smoot4208 : My guess would be on FLL as well.
102 Post contains images mariner : I've checked a couple of message boards and the top choice by people who use ILG seems to be - IAH. mariner
103 Jerseyguy : LOL. Not going to happen, I think they took a beating on those flights, how can you make money with a flight that far when 90% of the plane is paying
104 Jerseyguy : Whatever they do the 110pm departure isn't good for connecting to the west anyway. When I looked to book tickets for my parents ILG-SNA, On the days
105 Post contains links Jerseyguy : Well, well. It appears that the Governor of DE will be joining F9 CEO David Siegel to announce "growth plans" in DE. Think this is much bigger than we
106 GentFromAlaska : From the Facebook page it looks like ILG-ATL and ILG-DTW effective April 2014
107 Post contains images GentFromAlaska : With 59 miles or 95 km separating ILG and TTN; the two airports sort of go hand-in-hand. Another moniker might be "Frontier mid-Atlantic" The title a
108 Post contains links mariner : Hmmm. I'm guessing these both have to do with aircraft scheduling, and I guess both imply that TTN-ATL/DTW are doing well, but while these routes may
109 GentFromAlaska : As am I. I have no doubts abot ILG-ATL. I believe F9 even shored up TTN-ALT after it was announced to meet demand. In a ULCC model I fail to see a co
110 Jerseyguy : The city of Detroit is in bankruptcy, the suburbs from what I can tell are doing just fine.
111 mariner : Whoa - I think the choices are rational, and probably safe, but just a bit ordinary. I don't think they're disaster. It was only the attendant hoopla
112 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : The Rita Transtats data support ILG-ATL The PHL-ATL city pair across all carriers http://www.transtats.bts.gov/airports.asp?pn=1 takes the top spot at
113 Flytravel : ILG-DTW is within 400-500 miles, while ILG-IAH was over 1200 miles. But, other than the distance benefit, I don't see ILG-DTW as a best choice. Maybe
114 GentFromAlaska : In fairness to DTW I priced a flight from BNA-GRR two months ago for my son. I also priced BNA-ORD, BNA-MDW and BNA-MKE Kalamazoo and Flint. BNA-DTW
115 DolphinAir747 : How about TTN-GUA? There's a huge Guatemalan population in Mercer County, and UA only flies EWR-GUA once a week.
116 Jerseyguy : TTN-GUA is not possible for atleast 2 reasons. 1. TTN doesn't have customs (Ronson has mini-customs but it couldn't handle an A319 full of pax) 2. Run
117 Post contains images Jerseyguy : Wow 3 new cities, I did not expect this. Another wow. The new gate area at TTN including a bar area (Sky Lounge) All these photos courtesy of the "Fly
118 Frontier14 : Yes, this is quite a surprise to say the least. Guess Mariner will be happy with the addition of BNA. I think IND is a good choice too as the current
119 Post contains images mariner : You got that right - LOL - but I am verrrrry surprised that they haven't added MEM to either TTN or ILG, or should I say - not yet? I;m still waiting
120 GentFromAlaska : I'm sure the BRRAM folks are dancing on the ceiling.
121 RL757PVD : I would love to see PVD be their New England/Boston area location. There are a good handful of cities that previously supported service or had over 15
122 Pointer : I to would love to see Us (F9) fly into PVD. This would be tops on my list. Reason being is that not only do you get PVD passengers, you can get Massa
123 Post contains images mariner : PSM was my second voice, too. I thought they could "do a TTN" at PSM - until Allegiant grabbed PSM-SFB. Oh, well. mariner
124 RL757PVD : Really it could be both, much like TTN/ILG. PSM could probably do some Florida flying whereas thats pretty well covered at PVD. Though PVD-JAX would
125 Lexy : Admittedly, BNA was straight out of the blue and I live here! I, too, am surprised MEM hasn't been added yet.
126 Jerseyguy : BRRAM was estatic this morning before the announcement was made LOL. Their latest facebook update reads like this: The quiet will soon be over. Commer
127 GentFromAlaska : I would not call TTN a hub. An P2P focus city. TTN does not meet the transfer point small airport criteria by volume reestablished by the FAA annuall
128 MtnWest1979 : High frequency? What Frontier are they thinking about??
129 Jerseyguy : I took some time to count the flights on each day and here's what I came up with Its 8 or 9 flights with Saturday being the slow day at 4 flights May
130 Post contains links and images Jerseyguy : LOTS of new Pics of the New Trenton Mercer Airport online in this article. TERMINAL is looking GOOD. http://photos.nj.com/4506/gallery/re...ort_in_ewi
131 Jerseyguy : I also think we'll see a discontinuation of TTN-CMH soon. Starting in January lowest fare goes to $159 each way, so that no one will be booking it. So
132 Indy : Isn't TTN-IND a slightly random route? Does anyone honestly see this route lasting?
133 Post contains links and images mariner : I'm not sure what you mean by random. It fits all the criteria established by Daniel Shurz - a large population, not too far from TTN and not too clo
134 Post contains links Jerseyguy : Let the absurdity begin. From a report on ABC6 Philly News (WPVI-TV) "You have air buses coming over your head at 300 feet; that's loud," said Holly B
135 GentFromAlaska : Could be a good football route when the Jets or Giant or Eagles play the Colts if and when they do. TTN and BNA share a new commonality be it differe
136 Post contains links mariner : The second TTN aircraft is in the air, coming from ATL: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/FFT9204 mariner
137 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : It looks like we have two F9 flights enroute to TTN tonight for tomorrow http://flightaware.com/live/airport/KTTN FFT # 9202 FFT9204
138 Flytravel : Southwest does sell AirTran's PHL-ATL-IND, although no EWR to IND. The PHL-ATL-IND itinery is a long/awkward connection, but WN is selling $95 WGAs,
139 GentFromAlaska : Just read the Army-Navy service academy football game is being play in Philadelphia on December 14 this year. This could be good for TTN and the centr
140 Post contains links mariner : It;s a heck of a detour if there is a cheap fare available on a non-stop, just as renting a car seems overly complicated if there with that cheap non
141 Jerseyguy : Its very limited but if you can take advantage you can get 20% off at TTN and ILG Frontier Airlines will offer a 20 percent discount on domestic nonst
142 Jerseyguy : Was thinking about a trip to the Music City, Nashville when they start up service in May but I have to say the flight times are horrible. Out of TTN,
143 GentFromAlaska : I'm not saying its the flight but the 7:00 AM departure aligns with what could be the first BNA-DEN flight of F9 day. As for the 6:00 AM TTN departur
144 Jerseyguy : It looks like it is because except for Wednesdays the BNA-TTN flight leaves before the TTN-BNA flight arrives. However, they apparently have the airc
145 Post contains links Jerseyguy : A covered sidewalk and an additional security lane could be in the cards for TTN: Future advancements to the terminal will include a covered sidewalk
146 Lexy : I believe DL handles the F9 DEN flights at BNA. F9 has a DEN flight that RON's overnight at BNA and they only use one gate. That may be the reason.
147 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : I was just looking the BNA OAG (Official Airline Guide) quarterly timetable. http://www.flynashville.com/flights/...r%20Flight%20Schedule/default.aspx
148 DolphinAir747 : What does it require to install customs facilities? Perhaps they could fly TTN-YUL, a much shorter international route. EWR-YUL and PHL-YUL pricing a
149 Post contains images mariner : In the case of TTN it is a matter of spaces as much as anything. The airport would need a separate sterile baggage claim with an adjacent and connect
150 Post contains images GentFromAlaska : What and inflate TTN airport egos even more TTN would have to change their moniker to a International airport. ILG might be the better airport if F9
151 Post contains links Jerseyguy : I don't know what the NIMBYs are complaining about. I shot a video on my iPhone of Frontier on approach to Rwy 24 at TTN. It was shot from the Stop an
152 mariner : There were some changes to the schedule published over the weekend - notably that TTN-CMH is dropped. But since the "low frequency filter" on the OAG
153 Post contains links Jerseyguy : Who would have thought a year ago when this was just operating 2x weekly MCO, TTN would be supporting daily service to 2 possibly 3 cities. Here's so
154 Post contains links Jerseyguy : Looks like they now have a US Senator placating the NIMBYs. Its under a subscription wall except for the first paragraph but we all know pretty much w
155 slcdeltarumd11 : YUL is expensive because its really a route that attracts business travelers and connecting passengers from EWR. Leisure travelers are probably just g
156 smoot4208 : So if TTN-CMH is getting axed, I wonder how CLT, IND, CLE, &CVG will do. Those 4 cities don't have a lot of leisure traffic.
157 Flytravel : I don't think IND will do well, but I think CLT, CLE and CVG will do well. Cleveland-Akron-Canton is a larger market than Columbus (3.5M vs. 2.3M in
158 MasseyBrown : It will be fun to watch. Frontier has done astonishingly well with less-than-daily service to DEN from some of these places.
159 GentFromAlaska : As push back; I might go out and stream video with two or three flights (a sampling) passing over the area in question and measure the actual decibel
160 Jerseyguy : I decieded to pay for the month of access (its only $10 and hell I spent $39 on a ticket I threw away to see TTN) to see the article and It looks lik
161 Post contains links Jerseyguy : Don't know why but A320 is scheduled to make an appearance at TTN tonight. PHL-TTN http://flightaware.com/live/flight/FFT9216
162 Flytravel : It's great that MDW is going daily but we don't know if the daily change is seasonal. NK flies ACY-ORD daily in the summer as well. January-mid March
163 Jerseyguy : Looks like Montana the Elk (A320: N213FR) will be operating F9 975/976 to/from FLL and F9 917/918 to/from MCO.[Edited 2013-11-12 20:34:36]
164 Jerseyguy : Montana the Elk (A320 N213FR) operated F9 975 to FLL. The captain got into a discussion with TTN tower about wanting runway 34 (4800x150). They said O
165 Post contains images GentFromAlaska : I'm pretty good with acronyms working with the military. MTOW escapes me. Please advise.
166 Jerseyguy : Maximum Take Off Weight
167 Post contains images kingcavalier : Nice lineup on the TTN ramp today
168 mariner : Knock me down with a feather - I am quite surprised they;ve put the A320 into TTN - but I;m very pleased to see it. mariner
169 Post contains images GentFromAlaska : [quote=kingcavalier,reply=167][/quote Very nice pix. I see TTN has become a zoo. And it finally got enough for the Penguin trio to make an appearance
170 Frontier14 : Thanks Kingcavalier, what a beautiful photo. The morning sunlight really adds to the shot. Frontier 14
171 GentFromAlaska : On the Duck tail; Woody I think. Are the rear door steps configured into the airframe or stand-alone steps? My though process was how they unloaded f
172 Jerseyguy : The stairs are the portable rear boarding stairs, they use a portable ramp in the front of the aircraft but not in the rear as the wing would block i
173 Post contains links Jerseyguy : and now the A320 is going back to PHL F9 9213 TTN 0811A PHL 0839A http://flightaware.com/live/flight/FFT9213
174 Post contains links Jerseyguy : Shot another video of the F9 319 on approach to TTN. Same place Stop and Shop parking lot. Though today it wasn't windy so you can hear the noise of t
175 Post contains images mariner : Okay, so it is exactly a year (my time) since service at TTN began, and, as optimistic as I am, I could not have imagined that Frontier at TTN would b
176 rampart : Now there's a thought. Last time anyone tried that was Mesa Airlines, I think. But I assume with the Wright Amendment disappearing, FTW is fair game?
177 Frontier14 : Not being familiar with the DFW metro complex is the FTW airfield in the older part of the city area? Are there convienent access roads to the termin
178 Post contains images mariner : Mesa, yes, with CRJ's up until 1998. FTW is quite a busy GA and corporate jet airport, with international facilities. Fort Worth itself is a city of
179 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : I watched a 2.5 hour Lionel Richie concert at the Bridestone Arena in Nashville in late September. This was before the TTN-BNA service announcement.
180 RL757PVD : PVD has had service to half the places they would consider that have now been abandoned due to other airline changes in priority: RDU CVG BNA DEN (WN
181 Post contains links mariner : Indeed, much more than music. This article doesn't mention music, but does mention the health care connections: http://www.bizjournals.com/nashville.
182 Jerseyguy : I'm glad to see that you've come over to the appropriate side LOL. Trenton-Denver would open up a wide range of options to connect to the western por
183 PacificF27 : I still think SCK fits the F9 mold. More convenient than SMF to a lot of people in southern Sacramento County. Great for Tracy, Modesto, etc. Even tho
184 Post contains images mariner : You've mentioned that before, just a few times - LOL - and I don't see the problem. Frontier's flying day begins at between 6 or 6.30 am from several
185 Post contains images GentFromAlaska : Nashville is indeed a significant medical city with the likes of Vanderbilt and a few other who keep reinventing themselves. The Korean tire company
186 Post contains images GentFromAlaska : I'd be more than happy to recommend some good breakfast restaurants for those who need to wake up from
187 Jerseyguy : You didn't used to see the problem with no TTN-DEN service, you'll come over to the right side of the argument soon. I personally think its a bad ide
188 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : If you ever fin yourself in Nashville. I highly recommend the Hermitage which was the home of President Andrew Jackson http://thehermitage.rtrk.com/?
189 Post contains images mariner : I still don't think it's a problem if they don't fly TTN-DEN. The reason I've changed is because I think it might involve a new - that is factory fre
190 Jerseyguy : Sure they need to raise it at some point and not continue to have fares starting at $49 TTN-MDW but since they are are becoming a ULCC and I assume t
191 Post contains images Jerseyguy : Sorry your answers aren't consistant, please try again . Why would a new aircraft order increase the attractiveness of TTN exponentially?
192 mariner : Wow. Go back and read my posts where I have said I am not impatient. I've always thought that TTN-DEN would increase the attractiveness of TTN expone
193 PlanesNTrains : I thought that FTW was limited to intrastate service only but it's been since perhaps the Mesa operation in the 90's that I've even heard it discusse
194 Post contains images mariner : I thought that had gone away with the repeal of Wright, as at DAL, but I could be wrong. If it hasn't, I think it's worth a fight. I think it's hard
195 Jerseyguy : I didn't mean to come off sounding harsh, it just seems that you first say that you've changed your mind and that TTN-DEN will increase the attractiv
196 mariner : I didn't realise I was being graded so let me rephrase - TTN-DEN would exponentially increase the attractiveness of TTN but it is only possible with
197 MasseyBrown : What about 1-stop flights? WN hauls a lot of 1-stop traffic. TTN-CLE/CVG-DEN is a pretty direct routing and could tie into existing flights.
198 mariner : It does happen, the most obvious being TTN-MDW-DEN. It's the only one that shows if you put TTN-DEN in the booking engine. Others are possible, but i
199 MasseyBrown : I was thinking through TTN-DEN service, with one stop as brief as possible, something WN used to do so well.
200 mariner : Yes, and that happens with TTN-MDW-DEN, which is sold as a one-stop through flight on a single flight number. mariner
201 Post contains images point2point : I don't grade, only just happy to hear from you........ Absolutely...... I would think that there is a good amount of O&D that could be captured
202 GentFromAlaska : I've often though one-stops would work in select markets. Yesteryear Sean Menke wrote me to say one-stops were not financially prudent. That was two
203 mariner : You asked me a question on the DCA thread abut the fleet which - I thought - was too far off-topic for there, so I'll bring it here. Prior to Indigo,
204 Flytravel : WN has $109 WGAs fares from EWR, and it includes 2 bags and essentially an insurance for changing flights w/o penalty. If you look at WN also on a rou
205 Jerseyguy : Wow, I wonder why the decrease in fares, theres no real LCC competition EWR-MDW, when I looked they wanted $150-175 in the winter and $193 in Spring/
206 Post contains images Jerseyguy : Something is going on with TTN-DEN. The fare calendar is showing a $474 one way fare for the outbound segment of TTN-DEN for most dates thru the end o
207 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : I saw one of those goofy fares a couple of week ago pricing north of $700.00 for non-traditional routing although still doable. BNA-TTN-ATL-DEN all o
208 Flytravel : When WN first launched EWR-MDW the fares were higher than PHL-MDW. Then Spirit launched LGA-ORD, and WN dropped LGA/EWR-MDW WGAs. However, WN still c
209 rampart : No airline ever asks my opinion, but I'd go for a one-stop through flight over a change of plane any time, particularly if traveling with the family.
210 GentFromAlaska : Nor have they mine. I emailed F9 government desk inquiring about a military charter; one thing lead to another. A few weeks later I emailed that POC
211 Post contains images Jerseyguy : Wierd, it looks like I can book it on Priceline (went all the way before giving CC information) but if I put it in on flyfrontier.com it comes back t
212 Jerseyguy : Correction $473 is each way
213 GentFromAlaska : That is indeed strange. Perhaps F9 website is taking Sunday off. I failed to mention the IATA routing was via MDW which I hope was understood in that
214 Jerseyguy : They have 1 stop same plane service via MDW. No nonstops as of now.
215 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Looking at the http://matrix.itasoftware.com/view/f...32d61b-16a7-4d1a-89dc-96a9bb1c2f81 I would have to work my way up to LGA where F9 has the least
216 Jerseyguy : First off you would save $718 on the round trip LGA-DEN-LGA flights (TTN-DEN is $473 each way for a total of $946RT) vs TTN Secondly, that was my poi
217 GentFromAlaska : If you are worried about TTN getting the axe; I wouldn't. F9 has to much vested in TTN. There is talk of a flight attendant base there and possibly a
218 Jerseyguy : No, not worried about TTN getting the axe, perhaps the one-stop same plane service is ending and it will only be available via connections. The main
219 Jerseyguy : Hmm..In its recurring winners and losers article, NJ BIZ calls business travelers winners because of the reopening of Trenton Mercer Airport. I know t
220 Post contains images n75jyv : Our office is about 10 miles from TTN and I have some co-workers who live within a few miles of the airport and wanted to take F9 for some upcoming b
221 Jerseyguy : F9 is pretty good, its a no frills airline but with the prices the extra fees aren't an issue. Flown out of TTN twice and ILG once, both pretty easy
222 GentFromAlaska : You can bet small businesses especially the mom and pop shops who are concerned about the bottom line are business customers. I never did sign off on
223 slcdeltarumd11 : Airlines have done TTN-boston area. They even had the flights timed for business people to not need to stay overnight since its such a short flight.
224 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : I've often thought an agreement with 9K might work between TTN and New England. I also noticed KS http://www.penair.com/eastcoastdestinations out of
225 Post contains images DeltaRules : Well, that's disappointing, as I'd hoped they could make it work at CMH. Good luck to F9, then. I can't see many people driving 2 hours from the Nort
226 Flytravel : I checked for Mar 24, 2014: Flight 0915 TTN-MDW has seats for $69 economy Flight 0915 MDW-DEN has seats for $108 economy Flight 0915 TTN-MDW-DEN has
227 Post contains images n75jyv : Yes, and I did use Eastwind between TTN-BOS. I have used Metropark to connect to Acela... won't do it again. The drive up/down Route 1 can be a pain.
228 Post contains images point2point : Isn't ACY really rolling out the red carpet and offering $$$$$ and everything else to entice new airline service? If so, then F9 maybe needs to do so
229 GentFromAlaska : The IATA software populates a through TTN-MDW-DEN fare for $340.00 on March 24, 2014 Thus I would suspect some sort of website gremlin. If you purcha
230 Flytravel : The last subsidized service was ACY-ATL 2x daily on FL that expired. AFAIK, none of the NK flights are subsidized and the UA service is more a politi
231 Jerseyguy : Yeah, Its just a political ploy, not only will it not be competitive with NK, I think they will try to get a premium over EWR-ORD and PHL-ORD. They l
232 slcdeltarumd11 : NJ Transit and Amtrak are awesome on time compared to united at EWR. The trains might be a few minutes late but you wont see a two or three hour dela
233 Post contains images mariner : Given their reservations about TTN-BOS, if Frontier does start it I could see it being a through flight - from DEN, say. Frontoer is unlikely to star
234 rampart : That would be similar to F9's agreement with Big Sky in DEN. If TTN gets big enough to offer connections, which won't happen for a while. -Rampart
235 GentFromAlaska : That could very well be the reason F9 flew the A320 to TTN recently. I wonder if DEN-ILG-BOS might be better option at least during in the short term
236 Flytravel : It could do ILG-BOS-ILG-DEN-ILG-BOS-ILG. Replace DEN with FLL in the winter on some days. Early morning departure to BOS with evening return ideal for
237 Post contains links and images mariner : This surprised me. I have never thought Trenton to be a vacation destination, but rather as somewhere near other vacation destinations. Princeton, I g
238 Jerseyguy : Trenton itself, not a chance, the only thing it has going for it is the Goverment offices otherwise it would look a lot like Detroit. In Princeton its
239 Post contains links mariner : As I said, I was surprised. But the article says "tourism" - and keeps saying it - so I'm content to believe 'em: "Baseball fans attending a Trenton
240 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : Convention and Visitor bureaus tend to skew their numbers. I've heard it termed as creative accounting. Hotels nights and restaurants patrons have be
241 Jerseyguy : I personally think it's a bit of an overreaction to the meningitis "outbreak". I would as the students at Princeton are doing take some precautions bu
242 Post contains links mariner : No one has said otherwise. TTN (airport) is only briefly mentioned in the article in terms of the future - "we expect…" because the study is for 20
243 Jerseyguy : Sorry, I thought it inferred that they were expecting tourism to increase because of the airport and I was saying that I don't think that will happen
244 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : College students are generally well versed in transportation options near them via word of mouth for no other reason than the lack of funds. I assume
245 Post contains links mariner : Yes, they did say they are expecting Frontier at TTN to have some effect on the tourism numbers: Mercer County Executive Brian Hughes expects tourism
246 Post contains links GentFromAlaska : If memory serves me Princeton offers a medical program. Of course in Nashville you have one of renowned universities in Vanderbilt. Additionally ex S
247 Post contains images n75jyv : No, Princeton U does not have a medical school, in spite of what the TV program "House" might have you believe. The Princeton Plainsboro hospital pic
248 Jerseyguy : Yes, I do see it differently because you have to consider who will use the airport. 1 Area residents (including kids away at college) where its close
249 Jerseyguy : Yes, It is associated with UMDNJ in New Brunswick, very nice state of the art hospital. Just like to a certain exstent the Capital Health Hospital in
250 mariner : I still don't understand your point. Two different articles about the economy both believe that the presence of Frontier at TTN will help to lift the
251 Jerseyguy : If Frontier can concentrate on making business cities like Chicago and Raleigh somewhat business friendly, then perhaps they can pickup some business
252 Frontier14 : Interesting you mention the shuttle aspect as several of the Europeon ULCCs employ ground shuttles for a fee. Perhaps F9 will eventually do likewise.
253 Post contains links mariner : TTN airport already has plans for this and applied for a $500,000 SCASD grant to cover the cost of it. Sadly - but understandably - they didn't get i
254 Post contains links rampart : I think this is relatively small potatoes. Cape May County, south of Atlantic county, has over $5 billion in tourism, which would be Shore oriented.
255 Post contains links mariner : Sure. The surprise that is that it is that high in Princeton. The second article calls it "astounding" and they're there, they know the area: http://
256 Jerseyguy : Maybe or maybe not, it all has to do with how many people will continue to park there now that it is no longer free. There are 440 potential spaces i
257 Post contains images Buddys747 : I wonder how the NIMBYs feel about the Trenton-cut off (now the NS Morrisville line) ? It still sees active freight service several times a day. Up un
258 GentFromAlaska : The latest food industry niche for the last four or so years has been mobile food trucks in lieu of brick and mortar establishments. In the absence o
259 Post contains links iowaman : Due to length here is part six: Frontier TTN Thread Part 6 (by iowaman Nov 24 2013 in Civil Aviation) This one will be archived.
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